November 1st, 2012

No.10 Do Not Deny Dave’s Debating Comments

Guido went back to his sources yesterday after some denials about Dave’s angry words to one Tory rebel. This morning Downing Street have all but confirmed it. According to the Times:

“No 10 conceded that Mr Cameron may have confronted one of the Tory rebels, Andrew Bingham, the MP for High Peak, at a drinks reception in Downing Street the previous evening about his support for the rebel amendment.”

Apparently the “this is not a sixth-form debating society” line is one of Dave’s favourites for admonishing unruly rebels. The 53 would agree: the EU and it’s budget matters to their voters.


145 Comments

  1. 1
    Hang The Bastards says:

    Camoron – EU Toast

  2. 2
    Moussa Koussa Mark 1 says:

    …you beat me to it….Cockeron is finished

  3. 3
    Oy Vey says:

    October 2013….. would be my guess for the next election

  4. 4
    Gareth says:

    Is there any chance we can qualify if this comment relates to an Eton 6th Form or a run of the mill commoner one?

  5. 5
    Moussa Koussa Mark 1 says:

    The loonies are now in charge. John ( The Klingon ) Redwood, Douglas ( The Bells The Bells ) Carswell, Bonkers Cash, Aidan ( The Nut ) Burley etc etc.

  6. 6
  7. 7
    Moussa Koussa Mark 1 says:

    No No No…..Will limp until 2015.

  8. 8
    Justine Thornton says:

    I would like it on the record that being married to the leader of the Labour party had nothing to do with me getting a taxpayer funded job representing the Labour run Welsh government. Jack Dromey would also like it on the record that being married to the deputy leader of the Labour party had nothing to do with him coming top in an all-women shortlist.

  9. 9
    Jimmy Savile says:

    It’s Thursday. It’s BBC1. I’m On Top of the Tots.

  10. 10
    Hang The Bastards says:

    Typical Camoron.

    If he had won the vote last night he would do what he wanted to do.

    Because he lost – he will still do what he wants to do.

    This berk is on the wrong side of the curve – AS USUAL !

  11. 11
    Onlyataxpayer Nothingimportant says:

    Dave Man!! Deal with it!
    I’ve not had a raise in two years and wont get one for another two… My taxes are going up, my pension is having to be increased to keep up and the cost of living is extortionate. Why should I pay more to the EU ? .. Please make your case…. I’m waiting.

  12. 12
    The Mysterious Oliver Letwin says:

    I’m glad to see that my name wasn’t mentioned in all this.

    Oh,and you ain’t seen me,right?

  13. 13
    Anonymous says:

    Early lunch again?

  14. 14
    Jackaline Dromey says:

    I’ll second that. Harriet says I can wear trousers in public but I’ve got to wear a frock indoors.

  15. 15
    Elvis in the Chip shop says:

    Are you saying then Guido that Andrew Bingham lied to you in his Tweets yesterday?

  16. 16
    Dick the Prick says:

    Considering Cameron’s handling of this is akin to primary school posturing it seems wholly inappropriate to describe proper Tories as loonies rather than the rational and upstanding democrats that they are. Cameron is shite at his job and hasn’t got the wit to call for help. We have Heywood running the show and CCHQ is seen as a burden.

  17. 17
    Shakin Dave Cameron says:

    “The 53 would agree: the EU and it’s budget matters to their voters.”

    It’s “its” you illiterate cun*t

  18. 18
    Dick the Prick says:

    Aren’t they getting their kid a safe seat too? Great!

  19. 19
    Hard Man Dave says:

    My backbenchers need to know who’s boss. Of course I don’t see the point of being so nasty to the EU.

  20. 20
    Indigenous Pleb in a sea of Foreskinners says:

    ‘its’, you Righty illiterate Cocksucker.

  21. 21
    Gordon Brown says:

    I’m the fizzy orange man
    I drink it all alone
    If you don’t do as I say
    I’ll hit you with my phone
    I’m the fizzy orange man
    And I like a good fister
    It’s all Sue’s fault
    I’m not still prime minister

  22. 22
    Ed Miliband says:

    One Nation.

    One’s Nation.

  23. 23
    UKIP.i.am says:

    What goes on in the House of Commons is not remotely comparable to a 6th form debating society. A 6th form debating society is much more orderly and refined and much less hypocritical, as Labour proved by voting with the rebels.

  24. 24
    Inspector Slipper says:

    So far in our investigation we are looking into several other children’s presenters.
    Although these people may be completely innocent we did feel that they all looked like well dodgy uncles.

    Peter Purvis.
    Ed Stewpot
    Peter Glaze
    Ian Krankie
    Rod Hull
    Bernie Clifton
    Don Maclean
    Tommy Boyd
    Brian Cant
    Johnny Ball

  25. 25
    Andrew Loose Motion says:

    Rhyme scheme needs a bit of work.

  26. 26
    UKIP.i.am says:

    And on which side did Ed Millionaireband vote? Are Labour Little Englanders and fruit-loops now or just the same squalid bunch of unprincipled hypocrites?

  27. 27
    Leon Brittan says:

    Gimme gimme gimme
    A boy after midnight

  28. 28
    Selohesra says:

    Chuckle Bros look extremely dodgy to me

  29. 29
    David Camoron says:

    Tonight tonight tonight
    Uh-ohhh
    I’m gonna make it right
    Tonight tonight tonight
    Uh-ohhh

  30. 30
    Mitt Romney - another puppet says:

    October 2013 would be my guess for “Mission Accomplished” in Teheran, after ‘Shocking and Aweing’ the muzzies again for Israel, as my first priority as POTUS.

  31. 31

    All for having to deal with the fuck up that LieBore left the country.

    LieBore – useless, lying sacks of shite, to a man and woman.

    Mousey Khunty – you and your champagne socialist homies need to be honest and team up with the BNP National Socialists – your methods, aims and belief systems are equally deranged and so alike as to be almost interchangeable. They want to marginalise non white English, your lot want to patronise them.

    The …ise have it.

  32. 32
    David Fotherington Cameron says:

    Oh, good grief, it’s a facking pleb fnarr fnarr. Now look here, some of my best friends are European Commissioners and we all obtain massive backhanders for pissing taxpayers cash down the bogs so the last thing any of us will ever do is end this gravy train. Hope that helps, oh yes, and do fuck off.

  33. 33
    Wotta Tossa Skid Mark 1 says:

    Willy limp till 2015. Extract from your medical records ?

  34. 34

    That was rhetoric Mousey – another debating term, for the huge ‘debater that YOU are.

  35. 35
    Peter Perfect says:

    Even as innocent kids we all called him Peter Pervert.

    What about the bloke who did animal magic?

  36. 36
    Morning Cloud says:

    What about me?

  37. 37
    Cyril Smith says:

    I prefer mine for lunch

  38. 38
    Wotta Tossa Skid Mark 1 says:

    Lefty loonies like Ed Millionaireband, Ed Bollokov, Gordon McRuin, Wee Dougie nd Harridan Harmanhater were left in charge and look what happened! Financial Armageddon !

  39. 39
    Ex Ah! Monika says:

    Seen Elsewhere
    What the Papers Won’t Say | Kirsty Walker

    For for Guido to report, you know who to email Kirsty.

  40. 40
    T.B£iar - the People's Messiah says:

    Euan’s first !

  41. 41

    And I can’t WAIT to get my handth on ve leaverth of power! Justinian, my beard, hath been weally gwateful for the job we thwung for her with ve theep thaggerth, that thee evn letth me have a duvet on my couch bed in the thed.

    I think thee maketh me thleep ther becauth I thnore, but thee thayth itth becauthe even thee can’t thtand the thtench of hypocrathy I thweat.

    Wun Nathan!!

  42. 42
    Parker Walker says:

    So let me get this right.

    Most EU countries are net receivers of EU subsidies and they have equal voting rights with the handful of countries who are net givers.

    Britain is a net giver and as such will be voted to remain a net giver by all the net receivers.

    EU democracy in action.

  43. 43
    K.VAZOLINE says:

    One Asian.

  44. 44
    Ed Balls - Shallow Chancer says:

    Socialism in motion.

  45. 45
    Sandra in Accounts says:

    Whilst you are in Brussels wringing your hands with Von Rompuy & Maoist Barroso lamenting the scourge of democracy, could you be a dear & pick up an audited copy of the EU accounts so we British taxpayers can have some assurance that we are not being ripped off.

  46. 46
    Jimmy says:

    The simplicity of implementation of re-distribution has to be admired. Tories have voted for this EU model time & again.

  47. 47
    Shite in their eyes says:

    Tonight Matthew; I am going to be a spineless good for nothing piece of shit riding the EU gravy train for all its worth

  48. 48
    Jimmy says:

    Accounts, like deficits and debts are not a real concern in the long term scheme of things. This is a federalist nation we are talking about here, not a corner shop.

  49. 49
    ed martin says:

    1 at least the debate on ‘europe’ is now underway – and in truth we don’t know whether the pm’s hand is weakened – if he ‘can’t’ deliver what europe wants (more spondulicks) at least he now doesn’t have to say ‘won’t’ alone – he has good evidence of representatives’ views

    2 interesting to see how coalitions float – there’s an official one – each party is one – and now there is the facility for informal coalitions across the benches

    that can act as a check on excessive government power

  50. 50
    V1le Labour ruined my Country says:

    That massive bribe Dave got from the EU seems to be working then.

  51. 51
    Spiegel says:

    Seems the UK is not the only one’s looking for a budget reduction. The biggest squealers are of course, the French.

    http://tinyurl.com/dxd5482

  52. 52
    Baron Hogwash says:

    Isn’t the sixth form debating done in parliament with Ned ?

  53. 53
    Pedant says:

    Tsk Guido, those greengrocer’s apostrophe’s again…

  54. 54
    Kebab,The Lefty Tosser says:

    Labour attacks Guido”turd” Fawkes over “nasty little story” about Miliband’s wife http://labli.st/TVPyTM

  55. 55
    Ffion says:

    Has anyone seen my Willy?

  56. 56
    albacore says:

    If it were a kids’ debating society
    It would be conducted with more propriety
    And certainly with far greater sobriety
    Now sod off, Dave, and try to do it quietly

  57. 57
    Junior Asprin says:

    Abbott loves the faux outrage of accusing people of “wascism” this is very different from “racism’

    Racism is very ugly and very wrong, but wascism appears to be a default position of leftists when they have nothing of any substance to say

  58. 58
    Dick the Prick says:

    Eh? D’ya wanna run that past me again? Audited accounts are err… an irrelevance? Vive la revolucion etc etc. Tit

  59. 59
    Anonymous says:

    men are all wimmin. This fatty nation is run by wimmin.
    we do not stand up.
    cause
    there is no male energy around.

    With us being the most tatooed nation though, there is hope. confidence in our male side is emerging. not long to go now.

  60. 60
    Kebab,The Lefty Tosser says:

    Dear David Cameron, Britain wasn’t broken when your unelected government came into power. It is now you’ve smashed it to pieces.

  61. 61
    Business Secretary & Confused. says:

    Where am I ? Nurse Abbott about ?

  62. 62
    JH2 says:

    It’s all they have left. They have absolutely no constructive ideas to offer that have not been comprehensively proven to do more harm than good, over and over again.

    So, in lieu of argument, they accuse anyone who disagrees with them of racism/bigotry/not caring about the vulnerable etc.

    It must be an awful place to be, to have your whole worldview proven to be shite in front of your eyes no matter how much you deny it. No wonder they all look so cross and twisty faced.

  63. 63
    Nurse says:

    RESTRAINT’S

  64. 64
    Anonymous says:

    top of the tots.
    at the British Brainwashing Corporation.

    The promoter of the english language which is meant to unite
    but which divides.

    The English language.
    a tool for a innocently trusting world.
    engineered by those who gain.
    at the expense of those who innocently trust.

    The British Brainwashing language for Children.
    for those who innocently trust.

  65. 65
    Anonymous says:

    Hey Dave, have a word with Marta – she knows where all the hard-earned European taxpayers’ money is going!

    http://www.thecommentator.com/article/1910/brussels_bubbly_for_italy_s_mafia_and_other_eu_waste

    PS – stop hosing our money to all and sundry when this country is going to hell in a handcart because there isn’t enough to go round, idiot!

  66. 66
    Anonymous says:

    unity is good. but if we are to be divided under the guise of unity.
    the world of doublespeak.

  67. 67
    Kebab,The Lefty Tosser says:

    I know I didn’t read all the Tory manifesto cover to cover, but I’m surprised I missed their “fuck the blind” election pledge.

  68. 68
    Anonymous says:

    Ah, so that’s how unelected EU bosses can award themselves huge salaries and build vast government structures while member states fall apart?

  69. 69
    Aunty Matter says:

    Cameron is making an utter tit of himself.

  70. 70
    HenryV says:

    Why doesn’t Clegg fuck off to the EU paradise that is Spain if loves the EUSSR that much? Shame on you the people of Sheffield Hallam for voting this twat into Parliament.

  71. 71
    Labour are off their ED says:

    It’s hard to see Diane Fatbutt sitting on the opposition front benches as SHADOW HEALTH spokes’person”!

    That tub of lard, with more spare tyres than Dunlop, is Labour’s answer to health issues.

    You just couldn’t make it up.

    Oh, and she IS a raci.s.t.

  72. 72
    Guardianistas are the destructive class says:

    Why is our countryside being covered with windmills and our electricity bills inflated so that wealthy Guardianistas can have just 3% of their electricity generated by so called renewables?

  73. 73
    Archer Karcher says:

    I don’t think Dave needs bribing, like kiddy fiddling sailor Heath, Dave’s a believer.

  74. 74
    Bill Cash says:

    Full list of Tory EU budget rebels – Guardian http://aggbot.com/International-News/166/article/18189027

  75. 75
    Selohesra says:

    It is another example of why Labour manage to get elected so often – given the disaster the make of it each time they are in power. We need system whereby you get number of votes pro-rated to income tax you pay

  76. 76
    HenryV says:

    I thought we were a nation of shopkeepers?

  77. 77
    Moussa Koussa Mark 1 says:

    My medical records !!!!… You must be employed by New International or Tory HQ then

  78. 78
    Fred Rogers says:

    They used to say the same thing about me over in America. Having a name like “Rogers” (although not that common an expression in the US) didn’t help. Being an ordained clergyman, as I also was, also didn’t help.

  79. 79
    Archer Karcher says:

    Luckily Call Me Useless and Osborne followed the loons and swept away looting Labours disasterous policies.

    They slashed wasteful spending, ended the multi billion green energy fraud, stopped pissing money away on useless shite, stopped pouring money into the bottomless EU moneypit and slashed the Quango and benefit culture.
    Oh wait………

  80. 80
    Moussa Koussa Mark 1 says:

    errrr The Chuckle Brothers. That will be the pair who are currently setting up a Free School, with The Gove the Gimps approval and help from Toby “The W*ANKER” Young….NO I AM NOT MAKING IT UP…ITS TRUE..Check it out.

  81. 81
    Onlyataxpayer Nothingimportant says:

    Don’t worry Dave… I will be fucking off with all of my brainy mates just as soon as we can muster, I hope you enjoy the underclass war… you know the one you have no inkling of…? The same one that brought Gordo to his knees…? Thanks for nowt you self serving prick.
    I stood beside you once, as part of my work not choice, while you were in opposition.. I really thought you had a handle of the issues and despite your otherworldliness thought you might just have the balls to be effective…. What a tool I am.

  82. 82
    The Mafia says:

    25% of our income is from EU scams, we love un-audited accounts too.

  83. 83
    This absurd PM says:

    Now that Gabs Bertin has left our Dave’s side…

    He clearly cannot control himself…

    But I suppose, since Dave has never done a serious job of work in his life, U turns every day and is surrounded by the Chipping Norton Set “out on bail” for the moment…

    We cannot expect anything better…

  84. 84
    Anonymous says:

    why are we so undignified. we get provoked. how to quieten the inner conflicts.
    but then when ppl play mind games it does not help. We have to protect ourselves from those who are trivia. listen to your body,
    the physical body.
    the emotional body
    the psychological body
    the spiritual body.
    The trivia comes between us and ourself, our representation in this world…our bodies…everyone is locked in their trivia, integrity is the key. and certain stuff cannot be changed,
    it is our psychological reality.
    from acceptance will come harmony.

  85. 85
    David Cameron says:

    How dare you talk about our great ally and partner like that. If France wants to become a net reciever, instead of a net contributer, then we here in the UK, can easily make up the difference. Vive La France!

  86. 86
    Selohesra says:

    Blimey I thought you were joking – but evidently not

    http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/Hull-MP-Chuckle-Brothers-Commons-debate/story-15847450-detail/story.html

    Doesn’t mean that most of the rest you post isn’t shite though

  87. 87
    XXXX says:

    I thought he was a p*** artiste

  88. 88
    David Cameron says:

    Green renewable crap is now 34% of everyones fuel bill. Great eh?

  89. 89
    Cpl Jones says:

    I would say that Dave doesn’t like it up him, but he probably does.

  90. 90
    Guido Fawkes says:

    My earlier tweet was inappropriate. It did not explain the context of the Tory policy! and was offensive. I sincerely apologise

  91. 91
    I'm more of a pleb than you, you lefty shitferbranes says:

    wotchoo on abaht?

  92. 92
    Mornington Crescent says:

    “The 53 would agree: the EU and ITS budget…”, not it’s, FFS.

    This isn’t some fucking fourth-form, you know.

  93. 93
    Garudian splelchekcre says:

    Its. “It’s” means something else.

  94. 94
    Camoron and Bliar says:

    People should’ve twigged Cameron’s a cock when he encouraged his bankbenchers to give a standing ovation to war criminal, fraudster and all round c-unt Tony Blair when he was leaving the Commons. Completely unparliamentary and undeserved. At least the SNP and a few others had the good sense to remain seated.

  95. 95
    Cressida's Dick says:

    It’s thursday, this is BBC 1, I’m Jimmy Savile, welcome to Pop off their Tops.

  96. 96
    will says:

    Whilst this is bad for the tories, for labour it is worse as in the future they will be regarded as chancers and need to remember that getting that cushy job at the EU will be harder. As for clegg and the others well thye have to back the EU as anyone who has worked for the EU can lose thier pension if they badmouth the EU. That is why mandelson is so in favour of the EU as his pension depends on it.

  97. 97
    pedant=retard says:

    ‘Tis but a typo, chill.

  98. 98
    CCHQ says:

    Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more… *sigh*

  99. 99
    HTH says:

    ITYM “tho’se”.

  100. 100
    Likes Europeans, dislikes the EC says:

    Jimmy’s a lefty, he doesn’t care about corruption.

  101. 101
    Anonymous says:

    Justine,when in a hole stop digging. I won’t tell you again.
    Methinks you doth protest too much.

  102. 102
    Wotta Tossa Skid Mark 1 says:

    Nope. Nor micro soft which also describes the offending appendage.

  103. 103
    EU says:

    Show us your first! you love us really, well at least some of your MEP’s wives do

  104. 104
    Watt Tyler says:

    Still, this comment is not nearly as bad as this from the terrorist apologist Cameron. Yes, he really did say that:

    http://eotp.org/2010/06/18/2006-blast-from-the-past-prime-minster-david-cameron-terrorist-apologist/

  105. 105
    Educated sixth former says:

    The correct spelling is ‘disastrous’. There is no ‘er’. You keep doing this under your various names, it’s most annoying.

  106. 106
    Ed Balls - Shallow Chancer says:

    Agree with Jimmy. Accounts are simply columns of inflows and outflows. When we’re in government the outflows exceed the inflows. So what ?

  107. 107
    RED ED MILLIONAIREBAND says:

    No. I can’t thay thikthth.

  108. 108
    Shakin Dave Cameron says:

    Have you seen any vaguely fuckable young men around recently?

    If so, Willy will have been tucked away safely up there.

  109. 109
    Anonymous says:

    Britax do some reasonable ones: or they could claim for the expense of Recaros on their expenses.

  110. 110
    Labour are off their ED says:

    Well you are a daft sod MKM1.

  111. 111
    Anonymous says:

    I did look, but as expected our empty suit was not on the list. Look forward to 2015.

  112. 112
    Anonymous says:

    Wealth redistribution. To those that are in creed.

  113. 113
    Anonymous says:

    That, sadly, is why, in the end, one man one vote fails. As the Athenians found out.

  114. 114
    Pansy Peter says:

    ‘s all this oystergen in the water from the pills these females eat every day. innit?

  115. 115
    Anonymous says:

    Oh dear. Did I say that? That lunch must have been heavier than I thought. Come on, sort me out Schrodinger, make sense of it all.

  116. 116
    Pansy Peter says:

    But this time 60 million people will be watching extremely carefully..

  117. 117
    Pansy Peter says:

    It is actually the counting system that does the fucking as usually the one who ‘wins’ does so with a minority of votes ie: although the winner got most single votes, the total votes of the other five candidates always/usually adds up to more than that, so in effect, he won although more people voted against him (or at least not for him).

    A fairer system would be for the first and second in an election to run off with all voters having another go and the one who gets the most wins. At least there is a modicum of fairness in such a system.

    The American Presidential voting system is completely fucked by their ‘college’ system. In a straight fight between two candidates that should be unnecessary. A v B and the one who garners the biggest total wins. Simple, so why don’t they do it?

  118. 118
    Pansy Peter says:

    .. and clearly has no idea what an account is. I doubt he has a bank account and you don’t need an account with just cash. When you run out, you stop spending until the next Giro is due.

  119. 119

    One Nathun.

    Two Nathans.

  120. 120
    Pansy Peter says:

    This sounds promising. We may be witnessing the evolution of the Coalition of the Unwilling to feed the gravy train any more!

  121. 121
    Pansy Peter says:

    Yeah, about 65 inches high and 83 round.

  122. 122
    Pansy Peter says:

    Golly!

  123. 123
    Milly the Milkymaid says:

    Oh no! Not an udder tit?? How many more are there?

  124. 124
    Milly the Milkymaid says:

    .. and never a drop to drink…

  125. 125
    lola says:

    Cam – ““this is not a sixth-form debating society”
    Response – “Well, if your government wasn’t so fucking juvenile I wouldn’t need to discuss it’s failure at that level.”

  126. 126
    Sheffield Hallam says:

    We won’t be making the same mistake again.

  127. 127
    Anonymous says:

    You’ve missed out a well known presenter, some may even go as far as to call him a “national treasure”, who is rumoured to procure underage boys to satisfy his carnal urges during his trips overseas.

  128. 128
    Cicero says:

    No, and the Eu isn’t a f**king free trade area, either.

  129. 129
    Anonymous says:

    it is certainly innit.

  130. 130
    Living in 98 percent white Merseyside says:

    About 2 million you mean. The other 58 million will be eagerly watching Andy Murray’s progress at this weeks BNP Paribas Paris Masters and next week’s London Masters.

  131. 131
    HenryV says:

    Good for you. If only there was some mechanism by which an MP could be removed………..

  132. 132
    Cameron is a liar says:

    Yep that’s why the lying chinless spineless cnut has to go.

  133. 133
    Living in 98 percent white Merseyside says:

    He’s been knocked out!

  134. 134
    Anonymous says:

    If it’s so important, why did they act to make a move to annual budgets, where there is no veto, more likely? Surely not because they are incompetent ideologues who can’t think further and wider than two hours ahead?

  135. 135
    Rosie Websters dictionary says:

    He is a master debater and you sir are a cunning linguist.

  136. 136
    Apache. says:

    Very astute I will watch for that.

  137. 137
    Well dodgy Gove. says:

    Could do better, see me in my office after class.

  138. 138
    The Iron woman. says:

    That my dear sir has gone forever we are now a nation of foreign monopoly stores who close down our local shops ,make multi million profits and do not pay their taxes and I am proud of the fact that I played a big part at the beginning of all this.

  139. 139
    Cyprus. says:

    Cats gone for now ,Just left the usual litter.

  140. 140
    Hitman. says:

    There is but I think you need a handgun licence.

  141. 141
    Justaref. says:

    Seconds out, round two.

  142. 142
    Pickles ate my house. says:

    Did someone mention seconds?

  143. 143
    slithering... says:

    probably but in reality controlling a party like the conservatives is a mixture of influence and judicious appointments..its not a suprise he makes his choices from his own sphere…the ability to perform is still paramount. The eu bone will never be put down ..pragmatic stance from cameron ensures he can use any tactic he sees fit. Labour now totally exposed politically…expediency once again gaining force over reason..balls will be spitting nails for that tactic.

  144. 144
    Yvonne from the Colliers Arms Clydach says:

    I have not forgotten Mr Cameron’s mealy mouthed words when Martin left as Speaker .

    Goodwin has lost his gong but not Martin .

    Why?

  145. 145


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Alan Milburn says Labour’s scaremongering campaign for an unreformed NHS will not win election…

“It would be a fatal mistake, in my view, for Labour to go into this election looking as though it is the party that would better resource the National Health Service but not necessarily put its foot to the floor when it comes to reforming. Look, reforms are not easy, but the Labour Party is not a conservative party. It should be about moving things forward not preserving them in aspic. You have got a pale imitation actually of the 1992 general election campaign, and maybe it will have the same outcome. I don’t know.”


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