October 31st, 2012

Flashman Dave Snaps at Tory Rebel
Prime Minister Swears at Andrew Bingham MP

Tempers are fraying in the run up to tonight’s vote. Guido hears that Cameron was at a drinks gathering for northern Tory MPs. Andrew Bingham was there and got the full Flashman treatment as a consequence of having signed the Reckless amendment. The Prime Minister is reported to have lambasted the Member for High Peak saying:

“What do you think you are doing? This isn’t some f**king sixth-form debating society.”

Temper, temper Dave…

UPDATE: Apologies to Andrew Bridgen whom we originally misreported getting the ear full.

UPDATE II: Bingham denies the story his colleagues report, yet the Prime Minister’s official spokesman was very mealy mouthed.


201 Comments

  1. 1
    Kebab Time says:

    Oh dear Dave, you really are Europhile Toff trash!

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  2. 2
    Mike Hunt says:

    He is of course quite correct.

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    • 17
      Archer Karcher says:

      Cameron’s rattled and when he’s rattled he obviously loses it. Leaders, real leaders, never do that.

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      • 21
        Anonymous says:

        Cameron’s job is like being the parent of very young children. No matter how much you love them, there are times when you just can’t help getting angry with them. Dealing with recalcitrant newbie backbenchers must be very similar.

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        • 38
          ÁC1 says:

          Except Cameron is the one with soiled underwear and beleiving in faery tales, and the people he’s angry with are the adults.

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        • 58
          Archer Karcher says:

          You should listen to yourself. Your childlike comparisons may seem profound to juveniles, unfortunately you are dealing with adults here.

          Cameron is just demonstrating his inability to lead.

          Leading means inspiring and motivating others to bond and follow, building rapport and team spirit, combining and promoting common objectives, goals and ambitions, not shouting down subordinates, bullying, chastising, de-motivating or protecting your position against the group.

          I would take a few leadership courses if I were you, as you clearly are as unaware as Dave how to do it.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Ooooh – get you! Let me guess – in real life you sell leadership courses to people? And I bet they find them a complete waste of time and money?

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          • Anonymous says:

            Oh get over yourself. You sound like a career civil servant. Or someone who sells leadership courses to people gullible enough to think they’ll do any good.

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          • Polly's Villa in Tuscany says:

            Wow, you are channelling Stewart Pearson from The Thick of it.

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          • Archer Karcher says:

            You just proved my point, congratulations.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Thanks – yes, I did think it was rather a good impression.

            Archer – no idea what your point was, other than pasting the wikipedia entry on leadership techniques.

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        • 60
          Ex-Tory says:

          Cameron’s job is to promote himself and create a legacy for his CV. His MPs are jeopardising his future employment prospects at the EU and other International bodies. That is the cause of his anger.

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      • 46
        Anonymous says:

        Absolute bollocks.

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      • 199
        AutoMatic says:

        Oh grow up! Didn’t you hear what Dave said? This isn’t some 6th form debating society. Everybody, especially real leaders, lose their rag. They are HUMAN!! I don’t want some lizard automaton running my country! No matter how much he looks like our Dave.

        http://bit.ly/AutoDave

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    • 91
      ancientpopeye says:

      “What do you think you are doing? This isn’t some f**king sixth-form debating society.”
      Right Cameron, so stop treating it as such. Give us the referendum you promised.

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      • 97
        genghiz the kahn says:

        Cameron lost the backing of 81 backbenchers last year, it seems that he hasn’t learnt anything since.

        Ditch the bastard in the Channel.

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    • 120
      Four-eyed English Genius says:

      He is not correct. It is more like a prep school debating society!

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      • 132
        That 6th form debating technique so beloved of Labour. says:

        We didn’t promise a vote on the ‘Lisbon Treaty’. We promised a vote on the ‘Constitutional Treaty’.

        Sure it is 99.99% the same thing just with a different name but it’s completely different (even though it’s 99.99% the same just with a different name) and that’s why we’re not having a referendum like we promised.

        Golly, aren’t we clever.

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  3. 3
    Angry of London says:

    No. It isn’t a sixth form debating society. That would probably be quite mature and reasonable. This is more like nursery playtime with custard pies. Tw*t.

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    • 61
      jgm2 says:

      Dead right. I went there with my girlfriend almost 30 years ago (ie before TV cameras). She had an interest in politics and had written to her MP and we had tickets for the public gallery.

      It was exactly like fifth form debating soc at school. Hooting, shouting speakers down.

      I was horrified. The fate of the nation being decided by a bunch of people whose mind-set was still at the level that would have them drawing a pair of hairy bollocks in their school bible.

      Nothing I have seen or heard since leads me to believe it has in any way improved. It does though explain how one or two incompetent thugs can gather a gang of equally incompetent jackasses around ‘em and totally fuck up the economy. The whole place is like ‘Lord of the Flies’ set in a stately home.

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      • 150
        Mornington Crescent says:

        Exactly, AoL and jgm. Even before reading your comments I said to myself that sixth-form was optimistic – fourth-form would be more accurate.

        Miliband’s Labour is now increasingly an idea-free zone, let alone a policy-free one, hence their ‘tactics’ in this debate.

        Infantile, unthinking, tribal tossers, the lot of ‘em.

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  4. 4
    Dave's mouth needs washing out says:

    It’s the swearing I object too. He ‘s entitled to be angry but not to use such language,

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  5. 5
    Anonymous says:

    He’s right; sixth-form debating societies tend to have more intelligent debates.

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    • 23
      Anonymous says:

      It is not that poor debating is wrong, it is the fact the poor MP thought debating was allowed at all. Debate is not part of the EU. Undermining the EU is prohibited.

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      • 42
        ÁC1 says:

        Come on. Democracies would never elect people with the charisma of a damp rag, it’s discriminatory against those with zero leadership skills.

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      • 54
        The Golem says:

        +1. Dave is just a caretaker until the final stage of total subjugation to the Brussels octopus is completed.

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        • 62
          Archer Karcher says:

          He will be well rewarded by those he serves, unfortunately those he serves, do not include the British people.

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          • My Piggy Bank is empty says:

            But the British people will not vote for Dictator Dave next time. So every time he opens his stupid mouth, it’s another nail in his gold plated coffin.

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    • 193
      Camerons PRAM says:

      The only debating Dave does is master bating.

      Vile little creep throws his soiled tissues out

      the pram as well. …

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  6. 6
    ed martin says:

    how many dave-ites are farmers concerned about off-setting phoney farm lasses against MP’s pay?

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  7. 7
    stevetierneyuk says:

    It’s not a sixth-form debating society. It’s parliament. Where members represent their constituencies. God forbid people might think for themselves instead of just bowing the knee to the party whip on every issue. That might lead to, you know, democracy. FFS.

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    • 15
      Freddie Fraudster says:

      Oh you are naiive. You will be advocating delivering manifesto promises next

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    • 33
      The voters says:

      Absolutely. When I cast my vote for a Conservative, I do so in the hope that my MP will then decide to do whatever the hell he/she likes without any reference to the Conservative Party manifesto. I expect nothing but total disloyalty to a Conservative Government and the gifting of cheap political advantage to Labour or any other party I decided not to vote for. It never crosses my mind that my fellow voters and I, having returned a Conservative MP, might actually be represented by someone who acts like one.

      Get real, FFS.

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      • 52
        Anonymous says:

        Oh yeah why not? After all nothing the Tory Party are doing was in their manifesto! Maybe the rebels need to stick to the manifesto and show Camoron and his cronies up!

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        • 85
          Archer Karcher says:

          Manifesto pledges are not subject to legitimate expectation.

          The courts backed the raving loon Brown on that too.

          Meaning that once past the winning post, parties can now ditch everything they said and do as they please, without legal challenge.
          Yet another resounding ‘success’ from the party that brought you the dung heap, ‘progressive’ Labour, turned this country into and gratefully accepted by Cameron’s coalition of fabians, without question.

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      • 57
        Anonymous says:

        But then the MP has the option of not getting elected next time. Either way he might think he will lose. So why not do the right thing?

        Outburst are a demonstration that a person can not argue the facts. It then clearly indicates that the policy is simply a belief. I believe the MP won.

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      • 82
        armcm says:

        Didn’t they promise a referendum………………….?

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      • 128
        Four-eyed English Genius says:

        I would agree, if the Conservative Party Manifesto was actually a Conservative one, but it was not and is not!

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  8. 8
    A reporter from the Daily Planet says:

    This story was picked up by the Daily Planet yesterday .

    Has anyone seen Larry ?

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  9. 9
    Moussa Koussa Mark 1 says:

    Borisido Boriswkes

    You have gone very quiet on the BBC/Saville bashing…As have the Daily Mong and The Torygraph.

    We can only wonder why….It’s coming Guido, its coming !!!!.

    I’ll give you a clue. 80’s and Chequers. You can work out the rest.

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  10. 10
    Andy T says:

    Didn’t think the Tories had any MPs in the North?

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    • 69
      katwoo2 says:

      When was Leicester ever in the North? Did Blair’s Education, Education, Education never cover the geography of Great Britain?

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    • 102
      My Piggy Bank is empty says:

      Looks like there won’t be many in the south soon from what I hear.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  11. 12
    Freddie Fraudster says:

    No Dave…a 6th form debating society might have more policies, more ability and more spine than the party under your leadership.

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  12. 13
    Raving Loon says:

    Showing his true colours!

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  13. 14
    Mr Bone says:

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  14. 18
    Freddie Fraudster says:

    In my school we couldn’t afford a debating society. We sorted it out in the playground man to man….except for the girls that is

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    • 30
      Marmite says:

      Ah yes Freddie, the good old days, when arguments were settled ‘man to man’. This country is now full if scared nan.cy boys.

      A good punch in the gob, when deserved, was much fairer, and over in seconds.

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    • 40
      We're All Doomed says:

      In my school the girls sorted it out man to man.

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  15. 19
    Jonno says:

    Bridgen should know his f***ing place, he doesn’t run this f***ing Government, f***in pleb.

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  16. 20
    Adrian says:

    In sixth form, the corruption might extend to having a hand in the tuck shop profits. I think Flashman is playing with rather bigger stakes here, and has much more important plans for himself and his friends. If only our politicians were as honest as the average sixth former.

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  17. 22
    Crimson Tide says:

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  18. 24
    Puzzled of Ashby-de-la-Zouch says:

    Why Was a Midlands MP at a reception for Northern MPs?

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    • 56
      Anarchists In Blazers says:

      Your toff doesn’t use ‘North’ as a geographical term. This is because in toff world there is no ‘North’. Consequently ‘North’ is used more or less as synonymous with ‘working class waste land’, or ‘where the scum live’, or ‘beware here be plebs’. Hope this helps.

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    • 72
      jgm2 says:

      To bulk up numbers.

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  19. 26
    Dave's bulging scrotum face says:

    So Leicestershire is in the north?

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  20. 27
    Widescreen2010 says:

    Well said, sir!

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  21. 28
    Golly says:

    It sounds as if Mr Cameron has been on the pop again .

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  22. 29
    Alex Jones says:

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  23. 34
    Anonymous says:

    So? No one never been sworn at by their boss. What a lot of shrinking violets we have nowadays.

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    • 39
      Mark Reckless says:

      But that is no reason for drinking whilst on public service and expecting the taxpayer to pay.

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  24. 37
    Charles Kennedy says:

    Was Cameron pissed up as usual ?

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  25. 43
    Farmer Giles says:

    Dave has been to the fridge and got a can of man the fu#kup

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  26. 47
    No relation to Edinburgh arsewipes says:

    Out of Europe! Put an end to the crap!

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  27. 48
    Anonymous says:

    Seriously? This is what counts as a story for Guido now? Writing for the Star has clearly resulted in a loss of mojo…

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    • 111
      Dave's Butch Friend says:

      Mojo?

      Get you, you meterosexual bitch. Strutting your stuff down Old Compton Street again tonight big boy?

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  28. 49
    Angry Birds says:

    Its our fault

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  29. 50
    Backwoodsman says:

    I would have thought it WAS a sixth form debating society.
    In the real world, when something clearly isn’t working, is structuraly flawed and not fit for purpose, you get your finger out and produce a constructive plan to remedy the situation, or, if that is not possible, you cut your fucking losses and walk away !
    Conservatives should have had a set of costed proposals for sorting out the EU ready on day one and a press team bombarding the public at home and in other EU countries with the details .
    Its called taking the initiative, its what leaders are paid to do.

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  30. 55
    Daves anger management class says:

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  31. 64
    A Sixth Form Debate says:

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  32. 70
    Moussa Koussa Mark 1 says:

    Your man is now fatally wounded…but will limp on until 2015.

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  33. 73
    Michael Winner says:

    Calm down dear, its only a vote.

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  34. 76
    Hannibal from Carthage says:

    If this was a sixth form debating society then I think Mr Cameron would lose .

    Just how he managed to get into Oxford and exit with a first class degree remains one of life’s true mysteries .

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  35. 77
    Guido Fawkes says:

    “We need 50 and we’re at 46,” one Tory rebel leader said to me just now.

    There’s a growing mood around here that the rebels won’t get there, that Ed Miliband piling in on David Cameron in the chamber at PMQs and comparing him to John Major hasn’t helped Tory rebel recruitment and that it’ll be close but not defeat for the PM. But the debate could still swing people so it’s not over just yet.

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  36. 83
    Thrasher Mitchell says:

    Ha ! Ha ! Ha ! Ha ! Ha ! Ha !

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  37. 84
    The plot Thickens says:

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    • 100
      A reporter from the Daily Planet says:

      But the Daily Planet was !

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    • 104
      Guido's highly concused intern says:

      UPDATE: Apologies to Andrew Bridgen, it was in fact Andrew Bingham who got the ear full.

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      • 109
        Adam werritty gone but not forgotten completely says:

        But does Mr Cameron think he was talking to Andrew Bridgen ?

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      • 115
        Emma says:

        Cameron shouted at the wrong guy. Bingham is a normal not some hardcore anti EU backbencher with an axe to grind. Doesn’t look good when you can’t see/know the difference. Plus if the non-akward squad are signing you’re really in trouble.

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        • 187
          noolamaC says:

          Em do think it is the old teacher’s trick slamming down the least offensive child in the class when does something wrong, so the others start thinking,”the teacher is saying that/doing that to the least troublesome inthe class, what will he/she do to me”

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      • 123
        Business Secretary & Confused. says:

        Stay calm and carry on…….. happens to the best of us :)

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  38. 108
    Lord Flashman says:

    It was not me – I wouldn’t be caught dead talking to a northerner!

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  39. 125
    Business Secretary & Confused. says:

    Just a question of ……. sorry, what was the question?

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  40. 130
    The Mysterious Oliver Letwin says:

    My name wasn’t mentioned was it?

    Oh and you ain’t seen me,right?

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  41. 131
    Anonymous says:

    Cameron. Leader of the Conservative Party. Not a leader. Not a Conservative.

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    • 140
      jimbo says:

      How very true but you have to ask what exactly the true Conservatives are going to do about it, Most are likely to lose seats at the next election.

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  42. 135
    Beast says:

    Many many years ago Beast was doing his RCB and was tipped off by a colonels daughter not to swear at people( I fucking swear all of the time)
    If you do the letters NCOM will be put against your name
    NON COMMISIONED OFFICER MATERIAL
    Never lose your temper (I fucking do that regularly when I dgaf) just be calm and authoritive if you wish to get a point across , menace also helps

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    • 144
      Beast says:

      Lord Dave is what is commonly known as a “leg iron”
      He holds good men (and women) back due his dithering and all round pussiness
      Throw him to the wolves

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  43. 136
    Guido's ex Intern says:

    UPDATE II: Bingham denies the story his colleagues report, yet the Prime Minister’s official spokesman was very mealy mouthed.

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  44. 137
    jimbo says:

    Flashman Cameron, loses his rag, what will he lose when one day he is arrested along with many other Politicians for Treason. The British People will get their democracy back one day.

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  45. 141
    Standby for a complete retraction says:

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  46. 149
    Thatcher says:

    Is it 1872? Dennis, time for elevenses. Woop woop!

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  47. 153
    Sig Hansen says:

    Who cares ??

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  48. 158
    Moussa Koussa Mark 1 says:

    THIS IS JUST A JOY !!!!!!

    No matter what happens…you are now doooommmmed !!!

    Tearing yourselves apart…LOL

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    • 163
      The Air to Blair says:

      It is a joy because the prime imbeciles have absolutely no solutions to the situation they will find themselves in, other than borrowing more which will last about 6 months until the IMF turns off the taps.

      It is going to be real joy to watch ’cause the leeches and their patrons are gonna find themselves without a host to leech off.

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  49. 174
    Lizzie says:

    The conversation was entirely cordial … about as cordial as Mitchell’s conversation with the policeman on the gate? Or maybe that’s what passes for cordial from Cameron in private?

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    • 192
      Anonymous says:

      I`m sure it does. Maybe if he practices his foul mouth more extensively he will be able to fuflil his aspiration to become an ordinary working class bloke and possibly even get a job on a building site when he is booted out as PM

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  50. 194
    Rob Roy says:

    If England were to leave the Union and not Scotland, then Scotland would remain a Member of the EU .

    The English would be out of Europe and would have to reapply for entry if they wished to do so .

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  51. 197
    freddy fraudster says:

    There was a young man from Oxfordshire
    Who’s pants were perpetually on fire
    By winds he was torn
    And by Lib Dem was shorn
    And all for the lack of a spine

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  52. 198
    Kinnochio says:

    I’m totally and utterly disgusted by Dave’s assertion that the Mother of Parliaments is not a Sixth Form Debating Society.

    The all wise ones in the EU (like me) take all the decisions.

    The so-called Westminster Parliament actually does have all the power and influence of a sixth form debating society. Take the much reported “defeat” for our creature Dave last night. Will it make any difference to the money we extract for our project?

    Of course not! You have no choice.

    Dave, and all the host of other officials on our payroll will do exactly as they are told, whatever your sixth form debating society says.

    Welcome to the post-democratic era in which decisions are made not by the representatives of the great unwashed but by “the international community” and their pay masters in big business.

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