October 30th, 2012

Poll: Hansard v iHansard

The printed Hansard costs us a million pounds-a-year, or £1,538 per MP. With MPs now offered digital tablets on expenses should the 200-year-old transcripts of parliamentary debates ditch the printed version and go digital? You decide…


87 Comments

  1. 1
    Jimmy says:

    “The printed of Hansard costs us a million pounds-a-year”

    Possibly because they proof read.

  2. 1
    Herman Achille Van Rompuy says:

    Where is my fucking money?

    • 62
      Revd. (£rd Fucking Way) Phoney B£iar, sanctimonious git and £iar, emoting and wiv stupid grin says:

      Hi !!!

      I’m the ONLY hope for the EUSSR!

      Gornn! – givus the job!

  3. 3
    Kebab Time says:

    Of course it is, now for those subsidized bars…

    • 4
      Duty Pedant says:

      You sir an American apologist for using subsidized and I claim my 5 free anal probings’.

  4. 5
    Winston Smith says:

    The digital only version will be easier for Big Brother to doctor in future

  5. 6
    Another year of my life totally wasted with a bunch of useless socialists parasites who can't move on. says:

    Back to dark ages? Time to move on!

  6. 7
    Ruffbadger says:

    No neither and print it in the Grauniad with a £10 per MP per month levy

    • 78
      Hugh Janus says:

      I bet ‘our’ expenditure in propping up that lefty rag called the Grauniad with loads of costly advertising is a good deal more than £1m p.a? Time for some real savings, and the loss of this awful paper and all who sail in her (ie Ms Toynbee and her ilk).

  7. 8
    HenryV says:

    £1million a year? Wow like in the grand scheme that is lots of money. Not printing Hansard would be such a mistake. And I say that as an ex-IT professional and a historian.

  8. 12
    David B says:

    Progress is need cost savings are essential

  9. 13
    Steve Mobs says:

    Alternatively, don’t dish out free iPads…

  10. 14
    You wanna be in their gang, their gang, their gang says:

    Why hasn’t Leon Brittan faced justice? According to comments online, it’s been an open secret since the 80s he fiddled with some kids. Is he another one who’ll have to die of old age before the truth emerges?

    • 49
      Open Secretary says:

      I’d heard about it from gossip going round in the voluntary sector in Hackney. There was kind of a social workers’ case review into it in Tower Hamlets.

      even There were jokes on TV at the time: I remember that awful Ben Elton telling one, though he didn’t name him everyone who knew, knew what he was talking about and those who didn’t know didn’t need to be too smart to fgure it out.

  11. 15
    dog says:

    Printing it makes it difficult to go back and edit anything embarrassing out

    • 36
      Engineer says:

      Which is an excellent reason for keeping the printed version.

      • 79
        Hugh Janus says:

        £1m well spent in that case. The only problem is that MPs are able to ‘correct errors’ ie deny/change what was said, so the printed version can be tampered with before it’s produced.

  12. 17
    Anonymous says:

    In a democracy, nothing exists if it isn’t written down. It is a necessary tenant of proper democracy for our legislature to be recorded, and recorded in the correct manner.

    Whilst having Hansard online is a great tool, what would happen if tomorrow the internet died? We would have no record of the goings-on of Parliament, a perhaps more dangerous alternative to paying a million pounds a year.

    • 33
      Tay King-dePisse says:

      Like the German proverb says:
      “Law is like sausage; those with weak stomachs ought not to watch it being made.”

  13. 18
    BBC Openness Policy Directive 123/899QW789-72832.88989 says:

    Wankers as usual

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/29/boaden_tribunal_information_refusal/

    • 64
      Slippery Cunts R US - noos service on behalf of the Grouniad-LieBore Partee says:

      We’re all gaping and lubed up ready.

  14. 19
    Jimmy Mohammad says:
    • 20
      Twitter is for Kuffars says:

    • 29
      Shock, horror and awe...some !! says:

      hahahahahaha I do hope that out Mr Hook is ok in New York, not 100% sure if he can swim or tread water :)

    • 31
      Choudray is sick in the head says:

      So is Choudray saying that any natural disasters which befall populations in Muslim countries should be celebrated and no aid or assistance offered ?

    • 51
      St Peter says:

      So when his landlord doesn’t fix the hole in his roof this winter, and it rains, Mr Choudary will know what the God of Abraham thinks of him.

    • 56
      Glyn h says:

      Just shows what poisonous twaddle a belief in God produces. They should be mocked; laughter is like sunshine and exposes humbug. They can’t kill everyone.

    • 66
      Hugh Gahoodi says:

      What about earthquakes ?

    • 70
      Hamspam Chowder says:

      Life and weather is always perfect in rag head land. No earthquakes, droughts, famine or devastating acts of nature. Allan, you at bar ?

      • 76
        unejekatid tit says:

        Yes indeedy. there were lots of postings all over the world claiming that the earthquake and tsunami that hit Indonesia was God’s wrath on those nasty Indon muzzys for blowing up people all over the place.

  15. 23
    Keep going backwards and round in circles until the socialiat parasites have money grubbed every penny out of it! says:

    Time to move on.

  16. 24
    Anonymous says:

    Digital is not the correct storage mechanism for records of this importance.

    Digital is neither secure nor permanent.

    Would you be happy to have the deeds to your house saved on a USB stick?

    • 35
      Digital is transient says:

      Well said, people should be aware that in 50 years time all those digital pics of them and their families probably wont exist ?

      • 54
        Groover says:

        If the way my CD collection deteriorated is anything to go by, it will take less time than that.

  17. 26
    Shock, horror and awe...some !! says:

    If the MPs had to pay for their copies, presently free, I suspect that the only copy required would be the library one :)

  18. 27
    Anonymous says:

    Britain ‘sorely needed’ in EU, says German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble
    German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble has urged Britain to remain strongly engaged in the European Union, responding to a tide of Euroscepticism that Berlin fears could sweep London towards the exit.

    You have to laugh don’t you?

    You sure it’s not just the money they need they need us for?
    Why then do they all gang up on us and don’t listen to a word we say! Then every one just goes off and does exactly what the Germans tell them to do!

  19. 28
    Brown out and pay me damages. I want a fresh start. says:

    Sure thick Hunts can read?

  20. 32
    Engineer says:

    The printed version will be around for a long time, and beyond careful storage, will need no maintenance. We have documents over a thousand years old, still in a consultable state. Will we still have the technology to read electronic versions in a century or so? Will we be willing to spend the upgrade costs every ten years or so?

    Publish both. The electronic version will be of use in the short term. The print version will be the long term archive version.

  21. 34
    Sparkler says:

    MPs voted themselves £10,000 a year each in expenses to pay for their IT infrastructure (LOL, to set up a Facebook account?), 648 x £10,000 = a cost of £6 million and 480,000 per year… pay’ed out to twitter twats.

  22. 37
    Anonymous says:

  23. 39
    Sparkler says:

    The Black Pearl has gone down to Davy Jones locker (Hurricane Sandy).

  24. 40
    Don't waste my time says:

    You spend my money
    You drink my best red wine
    You think it’s funny
    To see me all the time
    Sitting with my head hanging down
    Treating me just like a clown
    You spend my money
    But come on honey don’t waste my time

    When you get older
    You’ll see what you have done
    You hung on my shoulder
    And loved me just for fun
    But some day when I’m older too
    I’m gonna come and make fool out of you
    You spend my money
    And honey
    You sure did waste my time

    You spend my money
    You drink my best red wine
    You think it’s funny
    To see me all the time
    Sitting with my head hanging down
    Treating me like a clown
    You spend my money
    Come on honey don’t waste my time

    More lyrics: http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/s/status_quo/#share

  25. 41
    tangentreality says:

    Shift to an electronic version only, yes. Not tablet only, though – most of us can’t afford iPads. The MPs would probably agree to only people with tablets reading what they’ve been saying – they don’t want the proles breathing down their necks.

    I’d also be interested in changing the rules on ‘Parliamentary language’ so that they have speak plainly, rather than in the legalese-double-speak that baffles ordinary people. Again, they wouldn’t like that, would they?

    • 80
      Hugh Janus says:

      And limit all speeches to 5 minutes max. That would slow down the time-wasting, waffling windbags….

      If you can’t make your point in this time than there is something wrong.

  26. 44
    Shellac outlives MP3 says:

  27. 45
    Q says:

    Paper burns much more readily than CDs etc

  28. 46
    Ted Hampstead Heath says:
    • 52
      Shock and awe...some !! says:

      Steady on there…. any mention of Lord Boothby? :)

    • 55
      Beast says:

      You would go to a kiddie fiddle for marriage guidance wouldnt you?
      At least with Prince spaz we know that he prefers the more mature type of lady
      Maybe it was necrophillia that he and the late Sir Jimmy discussed
      Shagging worn out husks of humanity

  29. 50
    Jimmy Brittan says:

    Thumbs up !
    uhuhuhuh

  30. 58
    Jimmy says:

    Why do righties hate books?

  31. 59
    Gordon McBonkers says:

    Just because I’m up the stick and out of my tree, you are not to demean or abuse me – electronically – or otherwise!

    Mr Millimilliminute says so!

    Now reinstall me in No 10! At once I SAY! – OR THERE’LL BE NOKIA HELL!

  32. 63
    Connaisseur says:

    This is good news

    Perhaps British Judges will start doing their work

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/rate-swap-scandal/9641721/Libor-Judge-forces-Barclays-to-reveal-names-of-staff-involved-in-rate-rigging.html

    We want the names of all these criminals

    And then prosecutions and jail for them…

    There is some hope yet of justice

    • 83
      Hugh Janus says:

      No doubt our two-faced idiot MPs will be in full cry when the names appear (and the Limp Dumbs in particular will sound even more sanctimonious than usual).
      Strangely, MPs don’t seem quite so keen to hang and flog when it comes to thieving money under the guise of ‘expenses’.

      • 86
        teapot says:

        This is in stark contrast to the Boaden story at No 19 above. Wish these legal types would make up their minds whose side they are on!

  33. 67
    Leon Brittan says:

    Toot toot!

  34. 69
    Anonymous says:

    Books survive even fire fairly well, hard drives can be erased easily. Bit of a no brainer for something so important.

  35. 71
    Bryn says:

    Hard print can never be retrospectively altered…electronic copies can.

    Hard copies for ever please

  36. 74
    Anglicanus Ortus says:

    Hansard isn’t printed for the benefit of the members but for the benefit of the country at large. The idea of taking the entire ongoing history of legislative debate in this country and sticking it on a website with no hard copy is pretty troubling.

  37. 75
    Yvonne from the Colliers Arms Clydach says:

    Hansard and free iPads are only half the story .

    At least if you give MPs an ipad each then they cannot keep claiming for umpteen toner cartridges .

    The other good thing about ipads is that the fuckers will have no excuse for not visiting this site and learning what we really think about them .

  38. 77
    Tattooed_Arry says:

    Digital is far too easy to alter.
    Would you trust any politician not to change history?
    It would be Stalinist revisionism part two.


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