October 30th, 2012

Poll: Hansard v iHansard


  1. 1
    Jimmy says:

    “The printed of Hansard costs us a million pounds-a-year”

    Possibly because they proof read.

  2. 2
    Herman Achille Van Rompuy says:

    Where is my fucking money?

  3. 3
    Kebab Time says:

    Of course it is, now for those subsidized bars…

  4. 4
    Duty Pedant says:

    You sir an American apologist for using subsidized and I claim my 5 free anal probings’.

  5. 5
    Winston Smith says:

    The digital only version will be easier for Big Brother to doctor in future

  6. 6
    Another year of my life totally wasted with a bunch of useless socialists parasites who can't move on. says:

    Back to dark ages? Time to move on!

  7. 7
    Ruffbadger says:

    No neither and print it in the Grauniad with a £10 per MP per month levy

  8. 8
    HenryV says:

    £1million a year? Wow like in the grand scheme that is lots of money. Not printing Hansard would be such a mistake. And I say that as an ex-IT professional and a historian.

  9. 9

    I’m with Jimmy on this one. An electronic only version would open the floodgates to the most awful abuse of our fine language.

    £1m is a small price to pay to prevent that from happening.

  10. 10
    tomdaylight says:

    Even if they discontinued the printing it would probably cost about the same. I think MPs should cough up for printing costs of their own copies though.

  11. 11
    Man of Kent says:


  12. 12
    David B says:

    Progress is need cost savings are essential

  13. 13
    Steve Mobs says:

    Alternatively, don’t dish out free iPads…

  14. 14
    You wanna be in their gang, their gang, their gang says:

    Why hasn’t Leon Brittan faced justice? According to comments online, it’s been an open secret since the 80s he fiddled with some kids. Is he another one who’ll have to die of old age before the truth emerges?

  15. 15
    dog says:

    Printing it makes it difficult to go back and edit anything embarrassing out

  16. 16
    O'Brien says:

    Can somebody edit this comment to read “O Praise Our Glorious Leaders”? Thanks.

  17. 17
    Anonymous says:

    In a democracy, nothing exists if it isn’t written down. It is a necessary tenant of proper democracy for our legislature to be recorded, and recorded in the correct manner.

    Whilst having Hansard online is a great tool, what would happen if tomorrow the internet died? We would have no record of the goings-on of Parliament, a perhaps more dangerous alternative to paying a million pounds a year.

  18. 18
    BBC Openness Policy Directive 123/899QW789-72832.88989 says:

    Wankers as usual


  19. 19
    Jimmy Mohammad says:

  20. 20
    Twitter is for Kuffars says:

  21. 21
    Selohesra says:

    They could use the ‘print’ button to produce one copy which they secure with a big staple – that would probably cost less than £1m

  22. 22
    A Librarian, 2049 says:

    What are you talking about? What printed edition? Hansard has always been published electronically. You can check the records for yourself. Electronically.

  23. 23
    Keep going backwards and round in circles until the socialiat parasites have money grubbed every penny out of it! says:

    Time to move on.

  24. 24
    Anonymous says:

    Digital is not the correct storage mechanism for records of this importance.

    Digital is neither secure nor permanent.

    Would you be happy to have the deeds to your house saved on a USB stick?

  25. 25
    Eric Blair says:

    Shit unhappens.

  26. 26
    Shock, horror and awe...some !! says:

    If the MPs had to pay for their copies, presently free, I suspect that the only copy required would be the library one :)

  27. 27
    Anonymous says:

    Britain ‘sorely needed’ in EU, says German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble
    German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble has urged Britain to remain strongly engaged in the European Union, responding to a tide of Euroscepticism that Berlin fears could sweep London towards the exit.

    You have to laugh don’t you?

    You sure it’s not just the money they need they need us for?
    Why then do they all gang up on us and don’t listen to a word we say! Then every one just goes off and does exactly what the Germans tell them to do!

  28. 28
    Brown out and pay me damages. I want a fresh start. says:

    Sure thick Hunts can read?

  29. 29
    Shock, horror and awe...some !! says:

    hahahahahaha I do hope that out Mr Hook is ok in New York, not 100% sure if he can swim or tread water :)

  30. 30
    Shock, horror and awe...some !! says:

    our not out …. oops.

  31. 31
    Choudray is sick in the head says:

    So is Choudray saying that any natural disasters which befall populations in Muslim countries should be celebrated and no aid or assistance offered ?

  32. 32
    Engineer says:

    The printed version will be around for a long time, and beyond careful storage, will need no maintenance. We have documents over a thousand years old, still in a consultable state. Will we still have the technology to read electronic versions in a century or so? Will we be willing to spend the upgrade costs every ten years or so?

    Publish both. The electronic version will be of use in the short term. The print version will be the long term archive version.

  33. 33
    Tay King-dePisse says:

    Like the German proverb says:
    “Law is like sausage; those with weak stomachs ought not to watch it being made.”

  34. 34
    Sparkler says:

    MPs voted themselves £10,000 a year each in expenses to pay for their IT infrastructure (LOL, to set up a Facebook account?), 648 x £10,000 = a cost of £6 million and 480,000 per year… pay’ed out to twitter twats.

  35. 35
    Digital is transient says:

    Well said, people should be aware that in 50 years time all those digital pics of them and their families probably wont exist ?

  36. 36
    Engineer says:

    Which is an excellent reason for keeping the printed version.

  37. 37
    Anonymous says:

  38. 38
    A Chump says:

    Why not just doctor it straight away like Ed Balls and Mandy did?

  39. 39
    Sparkler says:

    The Black Pearl has gone down to Davy Jones locker (Hurricane Sandy).

  40. 40
    Don't waste my time says:

    You spend my money
    You drink my best red wine
    You think it’s funny
    To see me all the time
    Sitting with my head hanging down
    Treating me just like a clown
    You spend my money
    But come on honey don’t waste my time

    When you get older
    You’ll see what you have done
    You hung on my shoulder
    And loved me just for fun
    But some day when I’m older too
    I’m gonna come and make fool out of you
    You spend my money
    And honey
    You sure did waste my time

    You spend my money
    You drink my best red wine
    You think it’s funny
    To see me all the time
    Sitting with my head hanging down
    Treating me like a clown
    You spend my money
    Come on honey don’t waste my time

    More lyrics: http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/s/status_quo/#share

  41. 41
    tangentreality says:

    Shift to an electronic version only, yes. Not tablet only, though – most of us can’t afford iPads. The MPs would probably agree to only people with tablets reading what they’ve been saying – they don’t want the proles breathing down their necks.

    I’d also be interested in changing the rules on ‘Parliamentary language’ so that they have speak plainly, rather than in the legalese-double-speak that baffles ordinary people. Again, they wouldn’t like that, would they?

  42. 42
    BEAST of Kircaldie says:


  43. 43
    Nuke the jizzlamic world says:

    That’s what I think. Let the fuckers die.

  44. 44
    Shellac outlives MP3 says:

  45. 45
    Q says:

    Paper burns much more readily than CDs etc

  46. 46
    Ted Hampstead Heath says:

  47. 47

    That comparison does raise the prospect that, on an internet-only basis, it would be typed in the dark whist at the same time fumbling to get that blasted bra undone.

  48. 48
    Yellow Pages says:

    Ever tried burning a book? It’s just about impossible.

  49. 49
    Open Secretary says:

    I’d heard about it from gossip going round in the voluntary sector in Hackney. There was kind of a social workers’ case review into it in Tower Hamlets.

    even There were jokes on TV at the time: I remember that awful Ben Elton telling one, though he didn’t name him everyone who knew, knew what he was talking about and those who didn’t know didn’t need to be too smart to fgure it out.

  50. 50
    Jimmy Brittan says:

    Thumbs up !

  51. 51
    St Peter says:

    So when his landlord doesn’t fix the hole in his roof this winter, and it rains, Mr Choudary will know what the God of Abraham thinks of him.

  52. 52
    Shock and awe...some !! says:

    Steady on there…. any mention of Lord Boothby? :)

  53. 53
    Sparkler says:

    No it isn’t, Fahrenheit 451.

  54. 54
    Groover says:

    If the way my CD collection deteriorated is anything to go by, it will take less time than that.

  55. 55
    Beast says:

    You would go to a kiddie fiddle for marriage guidance wouldnt you?
    At least with Prince spaz we know that he prefers the more mature type of lady
    Maybe it was necrophillia that he and the late Sir Jimmy discussed
    Shagging worn out husks of humanity

  56. 56
    Glyn h says:

    Just shows what poisonous twaddle a belief in God produces. They should be mocked; laughter is like sunshine and exposes humbug. They can’t kill everyone.

  57. 57
    The peoples Princess says:

    Charles never slipped me one post mortem (and only twice during life)
    I could never get over the fact that his breath didnt stink of curry

  58. 58
    Jimmy says:

    Why do righties hate books?

  59. 59
    Gordon McBonkers says:

    Just because I’m up the stick and out of my tree, you are not to demean or abuse me – electronically – or otherwise!

    Mr Millimilliminute says so!

    Now reinstall me in No 10! At once I SAY! – OR THERE’LL BE NOKIA HELL!

  60. 60
    Camillia, whose hubbt laid her down for his country! says:

    Chaz did his best to cure my itch – even with a broken arm! (You do not know how the more mature vagina reacts to neglect don’t you? – use it or lose it!)

  61. 61
    The peoples Princess says:

    The Jockanese use them as kindling or as padding for their less than bulging undies
    Give me a W&g everytime

  62. 62
    Revd. (£rd Fucking Way) Phoney B£iar, sanctimonious git and £iar, emoting and wiv stupid grin says:

    Hi !!!

    I’m the ONLY hope for the EUSSR!

    Gornn! – givus the job!

  63. 63
    Connaisseur says:

    This is good news

    Perhaps British Judges will start doing their work


    We want the names of all these criminals

    And then prosecutions and jail for them…

    There is some hope yet of justice

  64. 64
    Slippery Cunts R US - noos service on behalf of the Grouniad-LieBore Partee says:

    We’re all gaping and lubed up ready.

  65. 65
  66. 66
    Hugh Gahoodi says:

    What about earthquakes ?

  67. 67
    Leon Brittan says:

    Toot toot!

  68. 68
    Jimmy says:

    same reason us lefties talk shite

  69. 69
    Anonymous says:

    Books survive even fire fairly well, hard drives can be erased easily. Bit of a no brainer for something so important.

  70. 70
    Hamspam Chowder says:

    Life and weather is always perfect in rag head land. No earthquakes, droughts, famine or devastating acts of nature. Allan, you at bar ?

  71. 71
    Bryn says:

    Hard print can never be retrospectively altered…electronic copies can.

    Hard copies for ever please

  72. 72
  73. 73
    Selohesra says:

    I think it was just once actually – the other one was Hewitt’s

  74. 74
    Anglicanus Ortus says:

    Hansard isn’t printed for the benefit of the members but for the benefit of the country at large. The idea of taking the entire ongoing history of legislative debate in this country and sticking it on a website with no hard copy is pretty troubling.

  75. 75
    Yvonne from the Colliers Arms Clydach says:

    Hansard and free iPads are only half the story .

    At least if you give MPs an ipad each then they cannot keep claiming for umpteen toner cartridges .

    The other good thing about ipads is that the fuckers will have no excuse for not visiting this site and learning what we really think about them .

  76. 76
    unejekatid tit says:

    Yes indeedy. there were lots of postings all over the world claiming that the earthquake and tsunami that hit Indonesia was God’s wrath on those nasty Indon muzzys for blowing up people all over the place.

  77. 77
    Tattooed_Arry says:

    Digital is far too easy to alter.
    Would you trust any politician not to change history?
    It would be Stalinist revisionism part two.

  78. 78
    Hugh Janus says:

    I bet ‘our’ expenditure in propping up that lefty rag called the Grauniad with loads of costly advertising is a good deal more than £1m p.a? Time for some real savings, and the loss of this awful paper and all who sail in her (ie Ms Toynbee and her ilk).

  79. 79
    Hugh Janus says:

    £1m well spent in that case. The only problem is that MPs are able to ‘correct errors’ ie deny/change what was said, so the printed version can be tampered with before it’s produced.

  80. 80
    Hugh Janus says:

    And limit all speeches to 5 minutes max. That would slow down the time-wasting, waffling windbags….

    If you can’t make your point in this time than there is something wrong.

  81. 81
    Anonymous says:

    I’m told it heals up if not entered frequently.

  82. 82
    Harry Hewitt says:


  83. 83
    Hugh Janus says:

    No doubt our two-faced idiot MPs will be in full cry when the names appear (and the Limp Dumbs in particular will sound even more sanctimonious than usual).
    Strangely, MPs don’t seem quite so keen to hang and flog when it comes to thieving money under the guise of ‘expenses’.

  84. 84
    H*rry H*wi*t says:


  85. 85
    teapot says:

    Agreed – so let’s halve the number of MPs then.

  86. 86
    teapot says:

    This is in stark contrast to the Boaden story at No 19 above. Wish these legal types would make up their minds whose side they are on!

  87. 87
    Diddley says:

    Doesn’t really matter….. if they go digital they’ll just get all smug and shit away any savings on more expenses. Bastards.

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