October 29th, 2012

Full Leaked Tory Memo on UKIP Threat

As Guido wrote at the weekend:

Officially, the Conservative leadership pretends eurosceptic UKIP are not a threat; privately, their troops do not agree. Charles Tannock, a senior Tory Member of the European Parliament, has issued a panicked briefing to colleagues stating: “UKIP poses a direct threat to Conservative re-election prospects…UKIP polling at even 8% could be critical in splitting our vote and, paradoxically, help achieve the result of a small majority Labour government, or Labour-LibDem coalition – which is more pro-EU!”

And here is the whole memo:

Nope, no threat there…


  1. 1
    Kay Burleyhuman says:

    I’ve been in a hurricane and I’ll tell you what! It’s bloody windy

  2. 2
    Kebab Time says:

    Ukip/Labour/Cons/LibDem all the same, all want power for powers sake (and to get that snout in trough ) .

    Tho why UKIP are even considered a threat by anyone is beyond me, they have ZERO MPS.

  3. 3
    oink says:

    and only one policy

  4. 4
    VEE6 says:

    The problem I have with this and similar stories is that the emphasis is on re election, not what is best for the country. Agreed a lib/lab pact would be disastrous for the country, but that is not the focus of the politicians. Re election is the prime target. No wonder we dislike our politicians.

  5. 5
    HenryV says:

    With US approaching energy independence, them bringing manufacturing back home, and them guaranteeing our security and Europe having no resources, costing us jobs, and providing an open door to all and sundry to get here you just no which one a Tory government will back…….

  6. 6
    David Cameron says:

    I’m sorry, I don’t understand you are you English? I mean proper English, Oxbridge, Eton, Bullingdon, LoadsaMoney …. ?

  7. 7
    Tim YeeeOOOOOOOO says:


  8. 8
    Always a believer in politicians bullshit says:

    ‘The Prime Minister will gointo the 2015 election with an explicit manifesto guarantee for a referendum’

    Guarantee Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha bloody ha

  9. 9
    Anonymous says:

    Its wrong to cut child benefits for families on £50,0001 and still pay to

    1) families who make almost £100,000.
    2) people who have 10 kids.
    3) Cameron and Osborne’s parents and in-laws who are some of the richest in country. They are still getting winter fuel allowance, free TV licence, free travel, etc. Some even get millions for having wind turbines as well.

  10. 10
    Must get a pseudonym one day says:

    Good to see them wetting themselves – I’m still voting UKIP until the day we finally leave the EU.

  11. 11
    The Camoron Clan says:


  12. 12
    Jog on! says:

    So you keep saying.

  13. 13
    mug punter says:

    You old cynic

    Don’t worry – I’m sure it’ll be a cast iron guarantee

  14. 14
    Hormel Chavez says:

    UK plc?

    Which exchange is it listed on?

  15. 15
    An Anglo-Saxon says:

    I agree

    Britain should just become the 51 st State of the USA

    That will solve all of our problems…

    Oh wait a minute…they are in financial meltdown as well no?

    And invaded by Latinos?

  16. 16
    Jacky Treehorn says:

    I have voted Tory all my life.
    Now I will vote UKIP and i don’t care if people say it could let labour in.
    Whats the point of waiting long term to be destroyed by socialist ideology.
    I know there are many who are starting to give up on the Tories in regards to Europe just like me. The Conservative party only have themselves to blame.

  17. 17
    Russian Oligarch (and his bent City solicitors) says:

    The UK plc will soon be listed on the Russian stock exchange

    When we have finished with you

  18. 18
    Sparkler says:

    They only start to wake up when faced with the prospect that their jobs for the boys might be in jeopardy, I will not shed a tear for any of them.

  19. 19
    Cancelled Tory Membership says:

    Terribly sorry Vichy Dave old bean – I’m still voting UKIP.

    You had your chance mate and you blew it.

  20. 20
    Barclays Bank says:

    Please don’t go Mr Oligarch

    We need all your billions to launder

  21. 21
    Sandra in Accounts says:

    Charles Tannock for Minister for the Bleedin Obvious.

    Or Minister for the Emporers new Clothes.

    Just do something with that colossul talent of his, for gods sake.

    Too late for small a c Conservative like me – in the UKIP camp until Cameron et al are gone now.

  22. 22
    The Public says:

    Can someone on here explain WTF this bit means …

    ‘explicit manifesto guarantee for a referendum’

    I just don’t understand what the word guarantee means when its uttered by Cameron

  23. 23
    Anonymous says:

    In 2014 Conservatives and LD might not even have a single MEP.

  24. 24
    Jacky Treehorn says:

    Did you not read what was said in regards to splitting the vote.
    Its all there in black and white. DOH!

  25. 25
    Saint Vince says:

    A vote for UKIP is a wasted vote

    Britain will just become even more irrelevant that today

    And still have to pay to have access to the European market like Norway and Switzerland have to…

    All that will remain is a deeply corrupted and directionless cesspit

  26. 26
    Nullbymouth says:

    To little, to late

  27. 27
    Knob Ed says:

    I do not want wheelie binth near my property. It makth it look like plebth live here.

  28. 28
    Ex-Tory says:

    Only 3 criticisms of UKIP. 1 and 2 are complaints that two UKIP MEPs did not attend 2 votes. What was the margin of viictory in those votes? I suspect like like most votes the the federalist socialist and federalist democrat groups were in favour. As they make up about 80% of MEPs, voting is pointless. The 3rd point, if UKIP had their way criminal East Europeans would not have free reign to travel and commit crimes in the UK, making the arrest warrant unnecesary. Plus, we already have bi-lateral agreements over criminals facing justice with virtually all relevant Countries in the World. The Tories are pathetic these days. Glad I left.

  29. 29
    Frank Sinatra says:

    Parole parole parole….

    Just words old chap…

    It keeps the plebs happy thinking that they can live outside of Europe any differently than they do today…

  30. 30
    Anonymous says:

    Nice thing is of the 2,000,000 affected, 80% would have voted Conservative or LD. Next election most of these people will not vote Conservatives or LD.

  31. 31
    Dan D'Lion says:

    It means he guarantees to change his mind/ LIE

  32. 32
    Ex-Tory says:

    Switzerland and Norway have the highest standard of living in Europe.

  33. 33
    Frank Sinatra says:

    Israel still refuses extradiction you know

    Just look at Meyer Lansky…

  34. 34
    Aunty Matter says:

    The current bunch are more pro the EU than Nu Labour.

  35. 35
    Kebab Time says:

    Why vote for any of them?

    Voting for them means they act with your consent.


  36. 36
    Really? says:

    With any luck Labour will join them. Then at least this country may get a government that governs for the benefit of the Brit’s and not others.

  37. 37
    SFA says:

    Words have ceased to have any meaning in the mouth of Call me Dave…

    He’s just waiting to be called by a fraudulent bank to get his payoff…

  38. 38
    Kevin T says:

    They got nearly 1 million votes in 2010, nearly 1/10 of the Tory number. Since then their popularity has skyrocketed on the back of Middle England disillusionment with Dave. They are likely to win the 2014 European elections, making them I believe the first party other than the Tories, Labour and the Liberals to ever win a national election. Which will do a lot to increase their general election vote in 2015. UKIP will take a considerable

    That is why the Tories are scared, and why the stupid bastards should call a proper referendum unless Dave fancies becoming Gordon mark 2. Because more than enough of us see the bigger picture and know the EU is far more of a threat to us than that boggle-eyed berk Ed Miliband, who Boris would destroy at the next election anyway.

  39. 39
    Anonymous says:

    They can try and smear UKIP as much as they like – but remember Cameron claimed for his wisteria maintenance and Osborne is a fare dodger. So let’s not try the ‘UKIP is corrupt’ route.

    Frankly, I don’t care as long as they get us out of the EU. Even the most fraudulent of MPs is not likely to cost £50m a day – the daily rate for EU membership for the UK I believe.

  40. 40
    Well it's a thought says:

    Wow!, horses and stables, get rid of Camoron and get a real Conservative running the uconned us today and you may have a chance to recover by 2015 otherwise you will be responsible for Liebore getting in, which will destroy the LibLabCon pact and the country and put us into a third world status, ashes and rising from comes to mind.

  41. 41
    I used to be a Tory but I'm alright now says:

    Tip for conserving cell phone battery: don’t use cell phone.

  42. 42
    fruitcake says:

    Isn’t “UK plc” the same as “Made in China”?

  43. 43
    Sparkler says:

    Explicit means to try to pull our plonkers, Manifesto Bollocks!, guaranteed to get shafted again.

  44. 44
    UKIP PR spokesman says:

    Note to Mr Charles Tannock

    Please do not get upset by us

    Of course we are incoherent

    Of course we will split the right wing vote in the UK

    But we do all of this for fun and games

    Like all the other politicians in the UK

    Can you cite ONE politician who is serious about doing something good for the country?

    They are just like bankers

    In for their own pockets and fuck the rest of the world

  45. 45
    Really? says:

    Lazy, very lazy, or alternatively, you are just a liar.


  46. 46
    None of the above says:

    None of the above

  47. 47
    Swiss Ambassador says:

    Norway and Swizerland have to pay just to stay in the European Economic Area and be able to export to the rest of Europe

    It is a myth that “getting out of the EU” will save Britain money…

  48. 48
    Primordial Soup says:

    Please can we have Cameron back, as he is faulty and his spine has not started to grow?

  49. 49
    genghiz the kahn says:

    Just put a dead horse’s head in Cameron’s bed.

  50. 50
    Omnishambles says:

    When will you all stop clutching at Straws?

  51. 51
    TWATSON, fat barsteward & trougher 1st class says:

    He didn’t blow it C.T.M. The electorate blew it by voting Limpdump and UKIPPY.

    Coalition is like any marriage, you have to compromise, and ir can be very unpalettable at times.

    I bloody well don’t want the Leiber loonies back, but you vote UKIPPY and that’s what you’ll get.

    Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

  52. 52
    Do the parasites in Edinburgh never have a day off? says:

    Yup! suspected this to be the case a while back.

  53. 53
    lastofthesummervintage says:

    A freeze at the November 12 summit for the

    1 trillion 2014-20Multi-Annual Financial EU budget settlement

    F*****G lies already Dr Charles Tannock you TW*T


    Cameron will not freeze payment he is looking to pay them inflation proof payment

    another F******G EU appeaser.

  54. 54
    The last Jack Straw says:

    I have never been clutched at. Only once when I was on clunk click

  55. 55
    Dirty Desmondo of the Daily Star says:

    Let’s get out of Europe and ally ourselves with Isra el

    That will solve the problem

  56. 56
    Do Nowt Dave says:

    I have to think about succession planning you know?

    Like what I can do once I am found out and PR waffle no longer works.

  57. 57
    We're All Doomed says:

    Dave, promise an in/out referendum before next general election or I’m voting for Nige.

  58. 58
    Anonymous says:

    It’s just a geographical region, nobody has to pay to stay in it- numbnuts.

  59. 59
    Anonymous says:

    There is a good chance Labour will end up as the governing party in the next election and UKIP as the main opposition. Election after next, UKIP could end up as the governing party.

  60. 60
    Really? says:


    The LabLibCon are three wings of a single, essentially socialist party. On all the main issues they are united and offer no substantive choice on anything.

  61. 61
    anonymous says:

    here’s a good one to chew on

    cheating tory minister avoids tax and thinks it okay – have a read ……


  62. 62
    Sparkler says:

    But would he notice it?.

  63. 63
    Herman Achille Van Rompuy says:

    Where the fuck is my fucking money?

  64. 64
    Herman Achille Van Rompuy says:

    What you don’t have any cash handy Dave? Tell you what if there is nothing in your breadbin or knicker draw, i’ll take you to the cashpoint myself then you can stay warm in the car, OK?

  65. 65
    anonymous says:

    we are the 51st state already
    stan up for the stars and stripes you terrorist

  66. 66
    Canon says:


    The Midnight Group

    Eukip vs Ukip

    plenty of material out there which lays bare their piggy ways and lost court cases.

    The Nigel Farage party needs a purge of the top halp before it’ll even gain a single seat (where it matters).

  67. 67
    Really? says:

    Why the need for a referendum?

    We never had one to join, we don’t need one to leave. All we need are MP’s who will do their jobs, clearly, very few of the LabLibCon can be trusted to do that. Get rid.

  68. 68
    anonymous says:

    i thought that was your latest hit song frank?

  69. 69
    Anonymous says:

    TWATSON, fat barsteward & trougher 1st class,

    Cameron could have always had a choice of forming a minority administration or called another election.

    Cameron went into this marriage as it suited him on number of policies like gay marriage, huge a huddie, etc.

  70. 70
    Websters Dictionary for MP's says:

    Morally repugnant

    Acceptable, mandatory, necessary.

  71. 71
    I am not answerable to the intellectually crippled arsewipes at Edinburgh University says:

    Yeah. all a bit samey and in it to stick their nose the trough. Self serving idiots!

  72. 72
    Anonymous says:

    TWATSON, fat barsteward & trougher 1st class; if you never vote UKIP you will never get UKIP government.

  73. 73
    Liam Byrne ( aka Baldemort ) says:

    There’s no money left.

  74. 74
    Calamity Clegg says:

    In 2015 there probably won’t be any LimpDemon MPs either.

  75. 75
    TWATSON, fat barsteward & trougher 1st class says:

    Annon, I don’t want a UKIPPY government. They’re a one trick pony. However, I do agree entirely with you that the tories should have either formed a minority Government, or held another election.

  76. 76
    Gordon Fcuking McMental says:

    Yes I can confirm I have been wrongly sectioned under Mental Health Act by

    untrained Doctors from Fat*cher’s Government time…..

    Let me state I am not insane just look @ my record as the Man who saved

    the Universe & beyond…..You Plebs should worship the ground I walk on…..

    if not I throw my fcuking Nokia @ you, you fcuking ars*ehols

    Nurse is it time for my injection up the bum….???

  77. 77
    The Land of the Politically Correct and Mendacious says:

    Everyone needs to vote UKIP in the 2014 European Elections…..for them to actually come first or even second in the polls will ensure that they get more MEPs BUT even more they will put the fear of God into Cameron and Conservatives We all know what Dave’s Cast Iron Promises amount to….fuck all !!

  78. 78
    Childless Taxpayer fed Up With Being Leeched Off By People Who Should Pay For Their Own Reproduction says:

    Still. Its a start

  79. 79
    None of the above says:

    None of the above

  80. 80
    Deep Froat says:

    Agree 100% -don’t forget Cameron turned down a UKIP offer pre election to stand down in certain anti EU tory MP constituencies. In return for a guaranteed EU referendum. He turned the deal down.

    So now he’s reaping what he sewed.

    Anyway don’t get upset it’s not like the Tory party doesn’t exist anymore. It’s just that it changed its name to UKIP and the current imposters calling themselves Tory are really socialists in disguise.

  81. 81
    Glamstrad says:

    An ex-banker leader with libertarian tendencies, who hypocritically takes pay from Europe while mewling about it’s horribleness, and whose party logo is a pound sign.

    I have a feeling most Tory politicians will be voting UKIP, let alone their constituents. UKIP is like a Marvel Comics version of the Tory Party. They’re a Conservative Party Political Broadcast directed by Michael Bay.

  82. 82
    Dr Who says:

    UKIP. The one bright spot in a desolate political picture.

  83. 83
    FrankFisher says:

    Explicit guarantee of a referendum? Who does he think he’s kidding?

    Curious that the memo makes no reference to gay marriage when Tory MPs report it fills their postbags.

  84. 84
    Old Dog No Tricks says:

    Caption should read.

    Mr Cameron smiles prettily for the camera whilst showing off his latest in his Garden Gnome collection…………

  85. 85
    C.U. Incourt says:

    ‘Cheating’. I didn’t see that word used by the Gurneyad.

  86. 86
    Really? says:

    Err, not strictly true, but as always I welcome the fact that lies are all you appear to have. WTO rules cover 93% of our trade with the EU and and thus would remain unaffected.
    It would be very easy to negociate for the other 7%.

    We buy far, far more from them than they sell to us, so any trade barriers would hurt the EU member states far more than us.

    FACTS: Switzerland pays £250 million CHF a year, Norway around 200 million Euros a year to be part of the larger trading group.

    The UK pays £55million a DAY to be a member.

  87. 87
    Anonymous says:

    Except for extra billions for

    1) Foreign Aid
    2) EU, Cameron wants to give inflationary increase, doesn’t want to cut it
    3) benefits increase by 6%, so people can sit at home

  88. 88
    Backwoodsman says:

    Or state some specific policies – cut Strasbourg jamboree, show saving , – cut EU bureaucracy by 40%, show saving, site specific policy areas to be decided by elected MEPs, not non elected gofors , etc etc.

  89. 89
    Dan D'Lion says:

    He might shag it!!!

  90. 90
    I am not related or connected to Edinburgh parasites says:

    Troughers! The lot of them. Waste of time and space!

  91. 91
    Daniel Hannan says:

  92. 92
    Anonymous says:

    Issue is, its the wrong start and nothing more will be done.

  93. 93
    Jeremy Hunt, Health Secretary and Probable Kweer says:

    I’ll do that Nurse

  94. 94
    Anonymous says:

    “Under UKIP they would be allowed to stay longtimes in the UK appealing against their deportations under legal aid.”

    What he is saying is that the UK legal system is stupid and the EU arrest warrant cuts through our stupidity.

    Why not just fix the problem in this country. Oh I forgot this government can not make laws. They have lost that ability.

  95. 95
    Anonymous says:

    If that happens, finally Clegg would have done a service to this country.

  96. 96
    Raving Loon says:

    Don’t vote UKIP because, er… they’ll give you what you want?

    Not quite sure where this memo is going.

  97. 97
    Ex-Tory says:

    Can you explain what is the point of the “right-wing” voter voting for the present liberal-left Tories?

  98. 98
    Brown out and he can take his money grubbing parasites with h2im. Pay me damages and jog on! says:


  99. 99
    Call me Dave says:

    Samantha shouted at me, “Close the fucking door!”

    I’m not sure what she was more pissed off about. The fact that I was having a shit or that we were doing 90 on the motorway.

  100. 100
    Really? says:

    Hey TWATSON your memory is malfunctioning.

    UKIP offered to stand down at the last GE in return for a referendum on the EU.

    Guess what? Call Me Useless said no and guess what again?

    That’s right, the only reason UKIP got enough votes to prevent a Conservative victory, was Call Me Useless’s refusal to make a deal.

    Call Me Useless strikes again.

  101. 101
    ed martin says:

    EUKIP’s threat to the tories comes from voters who haven’t a clue who or what they are voting for

    mr tannock’s modest estimate shows a generosity of spirit perhaps not fully deserved by the great british electorate

  102. 102
    UKIP.i.am says:

    I don’t want a PM who makes cast iron guarantees and then breaks them at the first opportunity. I don’t want a PM who wishes to perpetuate the injustice, anti-democracy and corruption of the EU. The Tories/Lib Dems and Labour are one trick ponies – being prodded and smacked by their EU masters. But every now and again they get a carrot. Ask Kinnoccio.

  103. 103
    Sandra in Accounts says:

    We hope.

    Just heard the Lib Dems talking a about a “progressive, cheaper alternative to Trident”

    It is shocking that they can float such inane ideas as “keeping the nuclear weapons in a safe location dis-mantled until they are needed” – are they really that dense? The reason MAD worked was because the potential enemy did not know where your deternet was at any given time. They knew that a a surprise attack would result in massive retaliation. Keeping the nukes on the shelf dimantled would present a very real opportunity for an enemy to take them out before you had any chance of assembling them.

    God they are like naive fucking children – these hoons have power – these hoons could not defend the realm if their miserable & dangerous ideology depnded on it.

    The sooner Clegg is forced to recind his British Citizenship the better. The sooner the Lib Dems are decimated & scurry off to their natural home in SWP the better.

  104. 104
    David Cameroon says:

    You haven’t listened. I guarantee that we will promise to promise you a referendum. And that’s a promise.

  105. 105
    Really? says:

    TWATSON your brain is still malfunctioning, that, or you’re an out and out liar.


  106. 106
    Well it's a thought says:

    Laws are not made in this country anymore due to the fact they gave the power away to the EU, we really only have the equivlent a County Council in charge of the country, so we should really only be paying County Council rates to these so called MPs who are really Councillors.

  107. 107
    Really? says:

    Cameron is a socialist, remember that and his ‘conservative led coalitions’ actions become chrystal clear.

  108. 108
    UKIP.i.am says:

    They also have more freedom to trade with the rest of the world. A world which includes growing countries (China, Brazil, India) , unlike decaying EU countries.

  109. 109
    Really? says:

    “are they really that dense?”


  110. 110
    UKIP.i.am says:

    A Cameron guarantees is simple enough to understand. If he opens his mouth you can guarantee he is going to lie.

  111. 111
    Ding dong bl*ody hell says:

    Oh dear!, the attack has started.

  112. 112
    Bernard Righton says:

    Why would you vote for the Tory Party?

    Osbourne is Continuity Brown with a spending problem

    Cameron is Metropolitan left winger

    And the rest of the Tories are middle class missfits

  113. 113
    A voter says:

    The only explicit guarantee I will accept is the dull thud of a polling card falling through my letter box with a firm date for the referendum printed on it.

  114. 114
  115. 115
    Anonymous says:

    As long as USA is there to protect us we don’t need one. There are loads of other countries in the world without one, they are still here.

    Also most of the assets in this country are owned by foreigners. They aren’t stupid enough to destroy their own assets.

  116. 116
    Machiaveli says:

    Bring in these changes. The people who lose their benefits will also rapidly lose their sense of entitlement. They will soon see the injustice in those who keep them having them and join the clamour for their removal.

  117. 117
    Really? says:

    It’s not just ‘cast iron’ who needs to feel the wind of change, it’s the whole rotten cartel at westminster.
    They need a kicking like never before, and then they may, just may, see the light.
    Though I don’t count on anything where the lying crooks are concerned.

  118. 118
    Really? says:

    Junius is a nutter with a grudge. Try harder, you are making yourself look like a dolt.

  119. 119
    pedant says:

    Reaping what he sowed,not sewed.

  120. 120
    just asking says:

    Switzerland and Norway seem to be managing pretty well by staying on the fringes.Why couldn’t we?

  121. 121
    Anonymous says:

    Machiaveli, it will never happen as Osborne went and increase benefits payment by 6%. Government is saying its cutting benefits, all that is happening is government is moving them around in such a way it will look like unemployment is falling while total benefits paid goes up and up every day.

    This government plan to borrow much more in 5 years than what Labour borrowed in 13 years. When it come to spending money this government is left of Labour.

  122. 122
    Joss Ayinglike says:

    Please, FFS, don’t suggest Ukip.

  123. 123
    The Libor party says:


  124. 124
    genghiz the kahn says:

    BBC having an ongoing reputational clusterfuck.

    Meanwhile, a BBC poll has suggested its reputation as a trusted organisation has been damaged amid the scandal.

    The telephone survey of more than 1,000 British adults by Comres, on behalf of BBC Radio 5 live, found that 45% of those asked agreed that the corporation was “trustworthy”.


  125. 125
    genghiz the kahn says:

    Meanwhile, Mr Hogan-Howe also said officers would speak to the Labour MP Tom Watson this week about his claim in the Commons that in the past a child sex ring had operated with links to Downing Street and Parliament.

    Was Tw@son hiding behind Parliamentary Privilege?

  126. 126
    Vote UKIP -- Get Labour and economic collapse -- followed by a proper Goverment in 2020 says:

    It’s your fault Dave.
    You haven’t made enough proper cuts to eliminate the Deficit by 2015 as promised.
    You haven’t stopped expenses fraud and corruption among M.P.s
    You have been proposing Gay Marriage.
    The U.K. is crawling with immigrants.
    Etc. Etc.

  127. 127
    medic says:

    UKip Acne is not life threatening.

  128. 128

    Tannock is right – but it is not just UKIP the voters should hear about, they need to be clear on Labours self serving actions not matching their fine words.

    Tory communication sucks and until they find their mojo, Cameron serves a single term

  129. 129
    Gooey Blob says:

    Sheer fantasy.

    It’s possible UKIP could let Labour in through the back door in 2015, but they’d have to put in an amazing performance as Miliband and Balls are pretty much unelectable.

    I will be very surprised if UKIP have even a single MP by 2020. MEPs, however, are another matter.

  130. 130
    Anonymous says:

    Maybe, but they also have lost the ability. Just look at the implications of the recent car park laws.

    Why have traffic fines with strict requirements on cameras and technology to capture evidence when private car park operators have no requirement for basic proof.

    DVLA gives out our details without the persons knowledge. They do not even follow through to check the fine is valid. Threats of escalating values for every attempt to contest their dishonesty. Who says that the cameras are timed correctly with the ticket machine. They tried to give me a fine for not having a ticket. I was only 2 car rows away reading the terms and conditions! If I had left I would have had a fine for not paying, but I could not read the ridiculous rules without entering the car park.

    Then again that just proves the stupidity of our legal system. A contract that is enforced before the terms can be read. How about the stupid no return conditions. Say an MP drove away and left their child behind at our towns supermarket complex. Immediate fine for returning within 4 hours. Automated cameras. Would he have gone back?

    Why do we not have the right to know who has been given our personal data? We should be given theirs at the same time. The DVLA should notify us of every access to our data.

  131. 131
    Gooey Blob says:

    That’s fine for the Euros, but a wasted vote at a GE.

  132. 132
    A Pleb who is getting annoyed says:

    Self interest first the Electorate second .

    We understand perfectly Prime Minister .

  133. 133
    Downton Abbey says:

    The Tories can no longer be trusted on Europe. I will be voting UKIP no matter what Dave does………

    …. even if they replace Dave with Boris, I’ll still be voting UKIP next time out. The Tories need punishing (maybe fatally) for betraying their core vote.

  134. 134
    Loopy Lou says:

    What is wrong with being an immigrant ?

  135. 135
    A noble patrician says:

    Twatso as a responsible member of society should have already been down the cop shop with all his relevant paperwork .

    The look on the PM’s face when Twatso was speaking looked pretty shifty and the whole House fell pretty silent .

  136. 136
    Ides says:

    Cameron dreams that his “In or In” referendum proposal will satisfy the sceptics.

  137. 137
    The Countess of Wythenshawe says:

    The Eurozone are now talking about revisiting Maastricht and putting in the bits about economic and fiscal fusion which they accidentally left out last time .

    If Cameron thinks he can block this he is going to be shown the door .

  138. 138
    Ed Balls - Shallow Chancer says:

    Oh, thank you. Thank you very much indeed !! xxxxx

  139. 139
    Liam Byrne ( aka Baldemort ) says:

    Er, the Country can’t afford to support millions of them ?

  140. 140
    Hava Nagila says:

    The USA won’t “protect” us. The USA is in bed with Argentina. The USA handed our nuclear secrets over to the Russians. The USA is run by a half-Kenyan lunatic who wants revenge because his granddaddy got an emotional ouchie from British colonists in Kenya and his demented wife who thinks Jim Crow was a British invention.

    The Americans may not be a direct military threat to the UK at the moment but they’re about as far from a friend as it’s possible to get.

  141. 141
    Hava Nagila says:

    No, we’re not. The 51st state is Israel.

  142. 142
    Anachists In Blazers says:

    Lib/Lab/Con are the same people wearing different coloured hats. You’re watching a Punch and Judy show put on by our ruling elite. UKIP for all its many faults is at least a party which is (presently) genuinely of the people. Of course that’s why some people hate it, mob rule and all that.

  143. 143
    Anachists In Blazers says:

    I agree, if we had the ‘political representatives’ we are supposed to vote for, and not the ‘born to lead’ that we get, then we’d out already.

  144. 144
    Puppet Master says:

    I could win Cameron the next election but i’d need on the upside of 10 million tax free or a Lord or Baron peerage to actually be bothered.

  145. 145
    Anachists In Blazers says:

    It not a horse race you dunce.

  146. 146
    Abdel from Tooting says:

    I reckon 80 % of the customers in my takeaway are from the EU .

    If Mr Cameron kicks them all out I will be fucked !

  147. 147
    Nigel Fartage says:

    I promise to deliver a Labour government, Miliband as PM and Balls running the country’s finances.

  148. 148
    Eeyore says:

    I agree with the mood reflected here – Lib/Lab/Con need kicking out. UKIP might be worse, but it’s hard to imagine.

    Meanwhile, UKIP driving CallMeDave & Co out will pave the way for a PROPER Tory party once again; one that believes in this country and puts UK interests first. OK, it means we’ll have a Millipede-led govt for a time, but – as ever – the Tories will eventually be re-elected to clear up their mess.

    I can’t see any other way of bringing it about.

  149. 149
    Gooey Blob says:

    Actually, it’s first-past-the-post. We comprehensively rejected AV, if you remember.

  150. 150
    Living in 98 percent white Merseyside says:

    I,m single and over 65 so my benefits are as solid as the Rock of Gibraltar. When do we get the rise?

  151. 151
    Loopy Lou says:

    Chemical bombs are very cheap and have no radioactive fallout whatsoever .

    Mr Hammond can save a fortune.

  152. 152
    Living in 98 percent white Merseyside says:

    Puts themselves first you mean. Get real!

  153. 153
    Eeyore says:

    Get this man into Westminster and make him PM!!!

  154. 154
    Living in 98 percent white Merseyside says:

    The US don’t really like us.

  155. 155
    Living in 98 percent white Merseyside says:

    And of course Switzerland and Norway are not full of immigrants – I don’t think.

  156. 156
    Trahison des Clercs says:

    @Glamstrad Cannot make head nor tail of your post.

  157. 157
    woollymindedlib says:

    did you fall and bump your head? there’s more chance of the lib dems winning a majority than ukip overtaking the tories.

  158. 158
    Living in 98 percent white Merseyside says:

    Norway and Switzerland are crawling with immigrants too.

  159. 159
    Living in 98 percent white Merseyside says:

    Tory core vote = Little Englanders.

    I know. We’ve got enough of them in the Wirral. Still like to think they live in Cheshire.

  160. 160
    Websurfer says:

    Is this true, if so then we should say goodbye to the EU.


  161. 161
    M says:

    Tory – Ukip coalition ?

  162. 162
    ed martin says:

    that may be the best way for any british readjustment to occur – there’s just not the collective nerve in the house of plebs to decide on anything important

    if europe were to eject us that it may be do us a good turn

    the financial markets might do the rest

  163. 163
    ed martin says:

    are you related to tooting khamoon?

  164. 164
    maggie smith says:

    whatever will become of Downton?

  165. 165
    What's wrong with that? says:

    You should pay what you have to in Tax to comply with the law, and not a penny more.

    This is simply a case of pravda getting it’s knickers in a twist about someone not investing their money in a village in tuscany or private school for their kids… Like most of their columnists

  166. 166
    ed martin says:

    well – get on with it!

  167. 167
    Jabba the Hutt mp for Mid-Sussex says:

    I will be out next election as I don’t give a tossl for the plebs that I should represent. That Is why I am trouthing as much as possible to go with my other 3 jobs………

  168. 168
    perspective says:

    seriously, you’d fall for a promise?

  169. 169
    Dave the one-term Duty Commissar says:

    I’ve stitched the UK up good and proper.

  170. 170
    Anonymous says:

    I’ve voted Conservative all my like, but at the moment UKIP is looking good for me.

  171. 171
    The Golem says:

    Wait till the oil starts flowing off the coast of Argentina and see how much of a friend the USA becomes. I don’t think our spineless wonders in Westminster will like how things develop.

  172. 172
    David B says:

    Proof that the tax and welfair systems cannot and never will be “fair”

  173. 173
    Susie says:

    Nigel’s OUT/OUT is a much more appealing prospect and the Tories know it.

  174. 174
    Susie says:

    For a week before the markets pull the plug. They were just about to in 2010 before Cameron and Clegg were told to lock us into the EU.

  175. 175
  176. 176
    Susie says:

    Just what I said to a Conservative lady canvasser… she presented me with some rag about Conservatives in Suffolk, and I did a real comedy act…

    “Is this where you’re promising an IN/OUT referendum on the EU?” inspects “Oh dear, you’re not promising an IN/OUT referendum on the EU…” and I tore it up right in her face and told her I was voting UKIP.

  177. 177
    Susie says:

    And have to wear an anti-slime and bullshit suit 24/7.

  178. 178
    Anonymous says:

    I really wish you’d change your nickname. I live in the same area, and we really don’t want it spoilt by others finding out…

  179. 179
    Overtaxed and under-privileged says:

    I will vote UKIP because their cause is my cause.

    If my cause is not successful, then I do not care whether tories or labour get in, because either way, I will get screwed.

    Read it and weep, one-term Davey.

  180. 180
    It's time to leave the tribe daddy-o says:

    Vote UKIP or don’t bother to vote at all.

    The tories will tax and spend and so will labour. No difference.

  181. 181
    JabbaTheCat says:

    If you press your fingers in your ears any harder, you might just physically bridge the vacuum between them…

  182. 182
    Call yourself English? says:

    A vote for tories or labour is wasted vote.

    For he to-day that votes UKIP with me
    Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile,
    This day shall gentle his condition:
    And gentlemen in England now a-bed
    Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
    And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
    That votes for UKIP with us upon Saint Crispin’s day.

  183. 183
    Slimy Chuck-a-Butty says:

    ** round of applause ***

  184. 184
    bald old git says:

    key phrase in the memo:

    ‘So a UK referendum on the EU will be almost inevitable around 2017 under a new Conservative government’

    They don’t realise that people have twigged through experience with Cameron that the difference between ‘inevitable’ and ‘almost inevitable’ is a huge one …. and THAT is why UKIP are able to exploit their position.

    It’s not about issues, it’s about trust. Guess what the Conservatives don’t have …

  185. 185
    Peter says:

    When in the 1960-ties I was twice a Conservative and Unionist parliamentary candidate in Scotland, I told the C & U association, that if they buried their heads in the sand deep enough, they could not see any Scottish Nationalist threat at all.
    They buried their heads in the sand, and so the Tories disappeared from Scotland

  186. 186
    Rex says:

    Is it too difficult for the Tories to understand ?

    If they deny us a vote on the EU with a straightforward IN/OUT question, then many of us will deny the Tories our votes and switch to UKIP.

    The solution is simple, and in their hands, but there is something rather stubbornly stupid about the present Tory leaders. They will only serve one term, with the europhile Cameron. They have to jettison him to have any chance.

  187. 187
    lojolondon says:

    I’m voting UKIP because Brave Dave bravely told me a cast-iron lie, and because all the reasons given above are natural conservative policies :

    “Withdrawal from the EU and the European Court of Human Rights will solve all our economic problems. Strongly pro-nuclear and climate change sceptic, pro grammar schools and opposing more EU immigration and favours strengthened Commonwealth links.”

    If these were current Conservative party policies I would be voting Conservative, and so would another 8% of the population.

    Now they are lying to us again, pretending they can ‘renegotoate our position in Europe’ – what a load of bull, surely, surely the electorate won’t fall for that again!

  188. 188
    Anonymous says:

    If only we had AV so that UKIP wouldn’t cost the Conservatives seats, eh?

  189. 189
    Anonymous says:

    If only we had voted for the Alternative vote, then UKIP getting 5-8% of the vote wouldn’t cost the Conservative party tons of seats.

    I would feel it was unfair on the Conservatives, but they campaigned to keep the retard system we have over a sane one like AV. If they lose the next election as a result, kinda ironic, don’t you think?

  190. 190
    lojolondon says:

    Except we like borrowing money and paying interest, only to give away.

    £35 B per annum to foreign aid (I include giving money to the EU as foreign aid, innit?).

    Never mind, our children will pay it back.


  191. 191
    unejekatid tit says:

    DC hasn’t cottoned on yet to the fact he is no longer trusted by a majority of folk.

  192. 192
    unejekatid tit says:

    “We buy far more from them than they sell to us”.

    Shome mishtake? Think about it…..

  193. 193
    Iloathlefties says:

    UKIP on 8%. I don’t know any Tory voter who is staying with Shameron as his socialist policies belong more with Labour than true Conservatives! The EU, foreign aid, immigration, reducing armed forces, green religion to pay for his father in laws windmills that don’t work. Human Rights and EUHCR reform, none.
    UKIP are taking over the Tory vote fullstop!
    Camerons credibility is zero!

  194. 194
    Muttering idiot roaming the corridors of power says:

    I did not use that word.

  195. 195
    BBC Disinfotainment Commissioning Team says:

    And like you, we’ll be handing out sweets in Tower Hamlets the day Iran becomes the vanguard of the resistance, comrade, and makes good its pledge to eliminate I.srael.

  196. 196
    Little American says:

    Only in your stoopid little country do its own people denigrate themselves and their country, no wonder you needed us to save yo asses in WW2.

    Have a day nice.

  197. 197
    Robin Redbreast says:

    It makes no bloody difference Blue-Labour-Fib-dems- Torieboys, they ARE ‘The political class’ ..they intertwine and mingle which means they can coalesce at Local council and Parliamentary level.

    You are talking nonsense, More ”Old Labour” voters vote UKIP than Limp-Dems
    see Political science unit 2010 General Election,breakdown Leicester University, Similar, 2009 European Election.

    UKIp produces 20 page Gen.Election manifesto..We dont need to bang on about Yerop.. it is disentigrating in Madrid,athens,Rome people demand,a return to democracy and fraureichmeister Merkel,Von Rompouy get lost…FTPT needs changing to PR, ote Tory get FTPT motorway tolls, Riots, Unemployment skyrocketing, More East European immigration, Inflation..No real Manufacturing etc..the idea George Osbournes love of putting up VAT on Hot food and 20% sent another half million pounds to already ”Gold plated” pensions of MEPS…in Brussels..

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