October 19th, 2012

Halifax MP Skims £1,000-a-Month in Rent-Swap Fiddle

The names are coming out. The names of MPs fiddling the system to maximise their expenses by renting their mortgaged property out so that they can then rent another property with the taxpayers picking up the bills for both. Say goodbye at the next election to Linda Riordan, the Labour MP for Halifax, not satisfied with earning three times as much as her constituents she employs her partner in her office on £42,500. Pushing their take from the taxpayer over the £100,000-a-year level.

That just isn’t enough for this little piggie, she rents out her London flat to another MP and skims off an extra £1,000-a-month in profit from the taxpayer, charging a rent of £1,560 on a property where her mortgage costs her some £500-a-month. She also claims £1,473 from the taxpayer to pay the rent for her own property. The combined £3,000 monthly claim represents an extra burden on the taxpayer which would not have been necessary had Riordan not contrived her tenancy. Housing benefits fraudsters go to jail for less.

UPDATE: Linda Riordan is a member of the hard left Socialist Campaign Group.

Her friend Helen Goodman MP thinks Guido is motivated by sexism:

Incidentally, we’re working on more names – mostly male- from all parties…


  1. 1
    Handycock immigrant Trafficker says:

    Disgraceful, politicians fiddling their expenses. To cheer all my female friend up. Here is a picture of me to swoon over. Boaz.


  2. 2
    Anonymous says:

    Oink oink

  3. 3
    Enochs Ghost says:

    Absolute fucking scum of the earth everyone of them. Anyone who votes for them is a fucktard of the highest order.

  4. 4
    Lord Loocan says:

    They don’t learn, do they? Or do they just not give a toss?

  5. 5
    Labour says:

    But but but but Ashcroft! And phone hacking! And Ashcroft! And did we mention phone hacking?! And Ashcroft?!

  6. 6
    If you want to see what is really going on look at Portsmouth says:

    It is not just the politicians on the take. Oink oink.


  7. 7
    Lord Loocan says:

    David Bailey turning into a werewolf?

  8. 8
    Dingo says:

    Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

    Winston Churchill

  9. 9
    I'm not a pleb I'm a Troff says:

    Ooooh …. I’m a socialist and I’m ok
    I sleep all night and I trough all day
    I say one thing, I do another
    I like to press wild flowers
    I put on workers’ clothing
    and hang around in subsidised bars

  10. 10
    Alex Salmond says:

    ‘Delegates, conference, in 2014, the nonsense ends.” No more fiddling MP s

  11. 11
    Trough Watch says:

    If you want to let her know your thoughts on her troughing, her twitter is at http://twitter.com/Linda_Riordan

    On her twitter profile she actually says “socialist”! For a socialist, she sure does like to make the most of capitalism!

  12. 12
    I hate Parliament so much it hurts says:

    Is this some of the information that Bercow wanted to keep hidden? Didn’t his unlamented predecessor resign for trying to hide much the same thing?

  13. 13

    Funny how it’s nearly always The party who slag off millionaires
    These cretins are just sooo jealous of anyone who has made money
    they are just like the people who vote for labour , they all want to be rich but don’t want to work for it
    The something for nothing society runs from top to bottom !

    Labour = wanna be Tories

  14. 14
    She deserves to be hounded from office says:

  15. 15
    Dingo says:

    The reason this country continues its drift toward socialism and big nanny government is because too many people vote in the expectation of getting something for nothing, not because they have a concern for what is good for the country.

    Lyn Nofziger

  16. 16

    Ministers last night warned fraudsters that they would “have to pay back their ill-gotten gains” to taxpayers who the millions of pounds lost to fraud every year.


    But not if they are MPs, when it is perfectly alright and not faud at all and not under the same rules as you lot you plebs.

    I look forward to somebody in court putting this forward as a plea in mitigation “If my client were an MP it would be legal and he’d be able to gouge four times as much.”

  17. 17

    Even airbrushed , you still look like a piss soaked tramp !

  18. 18
    I hate Parliament so much it hurts says:

    “The worst advertisement for socialism is its adherents” – G. Orwell.

  19. 19
    The irony meter just exploded says:

  20. 20
    JH says:

    I get the feeling someone is not enjoying their cornflakes this morning.

    Screw the fuckers. We should have a live expenses website showing exactly what these fuckers are claiming for, as they claim it.

  21. 21
    JH says:

    I get the feeling you are about to feel a few cuts yourself love.

  22. 22
    a non says:

    The sooner there is a Government hotel to temporarily board MPs away from their constituency home the better.
    Attractive perks of any job are one thing but continuation of allowing a 2nd house / residence scam is disgusting.
    Why should MPs be given a get out of jail card for implementing deception that would result in Joe public receiving a jail sentence or fine?

  23. 23
    Die Bitch Die says:

    Hi Linda,

    Just thought I’d drop a note to say that I am working my tits of making myself ill to pay all the taxes, eco-taxes, debt interest payments and bills that your sordid Labour government inflicted on us.

    I hope that you have a Margaret Moran style mental breakdown and are forced to pay back every penny you have stolen from us.

  24. 24
    No Taxation Without Representation says:

    This is worse than a “contrived tax avoidance scheme”, which as a socialist I’m sure she’s against.

  25. 25
    nellnewman says:

    Oh do I hear MP’s muttering again ‘ but it’s all within the rules’ !!

    Like it or not it’s still dishonest and it’s still theft in every normal sense of the word.

  26. 26
    Popeye says:

    Presumably the evidence is there, so why hasn’t plod taken his size 18’s in her direction. Or is she, like Savile, too big to touch?

  27. 27
    I hate Parliament so much it hurts says:

    Benefit-fraudsters could also apply the Margaret Moran defence: “If you prosecute me, you’ll make me very saaaad and that’s wrong because I have a human right to be happy.”

    It worked for her, I don’t see any particular reason why it shouldn’t work for anyone else.

  28. 28
    Linda Riordan says:

    Money money money
    Troughing money
    In an mp’s world
    Ah haaah aah
    All the things I can buy
    When I trough a lot of money
    In an mp’s world

  29. 29
    Bercow is toast says:

    Please lock them all up.

  30. 30
    Last Quango says:

    isn’t it they’re?

  31. 31
    Red Ed says:

    Taxes are everyone’s money, everyone keeping any penny of their own money is a thief. Only by pooling all of the money everyone owns and earns in taxes will we truly be free.

  32. 32
    V1le Labour ruined my Country says:

    These troughing scumbag MP’s should be strung up with piano wire.

  33. 33
    Richard Timney says:

    Tonight, while Jacqui is out, I shall be enjoying one of my favourites, Arse Wide Shut, followed by In Diana Jones and the Temple of Poon.

  34. 34
    English Heretic says:

    Right on both points.

  35. 35
    Gordon Brown says:

    I rent my flat from the moonies

  36. 36
    Basil Fawlty says:

    They’re coming out…

  37. 37
    I hate Parliament so much it hurts says:

    +1, but I hope Linda’s “Margaret Moran style mental breakdown” is a real one, rather than a feigned one that’s a totally transparent (and successful) attempt to get off scott free.

  38. 38
    Anonymous says:

    Just a small part of the info that he would like to keep hidden,& the current squeaker should be sacked; his performance in post does not deserve the leniency given to his predecessor.

  39. 39
    CarlosTheJackal says:

    Guido, didn’t her husband die in 2007?

  40. 40
    Agreed except says:

    Well, Margaret Moron faked her breakdown and got a rent-a-shrink to get her off the hook. I hope Linda has an actual breakdown and tops herself..

  41. 41
    Sandalista says:

    What about Fatcher? I’m sure she’s to blame somehow.

  42. 42
    Anonymous says:

    and how about Sainsbury’s extended the time they pay their suppliers from 30 days to 75 days. Thereby putting at risk small businesses and suppliers so that they can spen longer in the big boys playground???? Typical tory economics on show here. If you want the link – go and find it – you claim to be clever………

  43. 43
    jgm2 says:


  44. 44
    Steve Miliband says:

    Have they not learnt anything from 2009? Idiots deserve a by election

  45. 45
    No, Gordon says:

    Surely you mean your house is on Button Moon?

  46. 46
    Aunty Matter says:

    Another Labour MP on the take. Problem is the BBC won’t be interested until we can get some evil Tories. Come on Guido, then the BBC will run it.

  47. 47
    Anonymous says:

    and what about Chris Bryant, Liam Fox and the very wonderful David Ammess ( again) – all old timers in the politics game

  48. 48
    jgm2 says:

    And isn’t Gordon Brown a c*unt? If you want the link – go and find it.

  49. 49
    I hate Parliament so much it hurts says:

    Barbed wire. It cuts into the neck as they struggle.

  50. 50
    UKIP.i.am says:

    Surely it all started in America.

  51. 51
    Tribal wanker tying to divert attention says:

    Ashcroft! Thatcher!

  52. 52
    RetardEd Miliband says:

    Winthton Churchill wath a political pygmy who quite obviouthly didn’t know what he wath talking about.

  53. 53
    House of Commons Membership says:

    You fucking plebs should know your place !!

  54. 54
    UKIP.i.am says:

    It doesn’t matter whether you are a socialist or Tory, left or right, most people will always try to make as much money as they can. The difference is that the left are such f&king hypocrites about it. The answer is to make the sentences for such offences high enough that the risk is not worth the reward.

  55. 55
    I hate Parliament so much it hurts says:

    They deserve a “bye” election!

    I’ll get my coat.

  56. 56

    Different rules apply to MPs.
    Best we plebians learn our places,
    Paying taxes and their wages,
    Expenses, accommodation, education, wages
    For their sisters and their cousins and their aunts
    Their sisters and their cousins and their aunts.

  57. 57
    Hugh Janus says:

    We always thought you were on another planet.

  58. 58
    Shooty* says:

    Why is there a picture of Jennifer Saunders with this article?

  59. 59
    jgm2 says:

    A ‘socialist’ with a 400,000 quid rental flat.

    Good one.

  60. 60
    Anonymous says:

    @ 27. The reason is because we have a “them & us” society;until the members of the HoC are forced to have this as their ONLY job without it being used for the sole purpose of generating wealth for them & employment prospects for wives,partners,family ,friends etc.,etc., it will always be the same.
    MP’s seem to have applied the late President Kennedy’s dictum in a modified form;for them it reads “think, not what can I do for my country? but, what can I do my country for?”

  61. 61
    What do you expect honesty from a politician. says:

    You get what you vote for, you don’t get what you pay for.

  62. 62
    Father Ted Crilly says:

    Dougal, as retardED said to Father Jack, “She’ s Toast”!!

  63. 63
    Orwell's Ghost says:

    I agree, but anyone who votes Tory needs electroshock treatment at the nearest mental hospital…..unless of course you’re intent on tax avoidance/evasion or you’re one of those bankers who should be in jail or you believe in putting public money in private hands….I know there’s alot of you scumbags about

  64. 64
    Synic says:

    Guido — Nearly all the M.P.s are self-serving thieves. Why not just try and list the honest M.P.s instead.
    Dennis Skinner
    Jacob Rees Mogg
    any others?

  65. 65
    Hang The Bastards says:

    These self serving thieves never learn.

  66. 66
    jgm2 says:

    I’ll tell you right now what will happen.

    Nothing. This is ‘All within the rules’. She’ll remain an MP and, further, she’ll be re-elected in 2015.

  67. 67
    Linda Riordan says:

    A senior MP made me do it and then ran away.

  68. 68
    Stan says:

    They will vote for her again & again.

    The indigenous workers were turned into welfare junkies by Labour – & Labour has to keep the working class poor & impoverished – if they actually gave them aspirational change in their lives then they would have no client voter base.

    Look at the Labour strongholds – nothing has changed in 60 years.

  69. 69
    sekwaf odiug says:

    Riordan, isn’t that an Irish name Guido, who was that Tory mp who had one house in London but claimed for another 1/2 mile away you went on about him a few months ago

  70. 70
    Anonymous says:

    Of course it’s within the rules Nell. The mp’s make the blo*dy rules.They also make sure that their “rules” have precedence over the laws of the land.

  71. 71
    K says:

    Why is anyone surprised?

    This is typical leftie-hypocracy.

    It’s what they do.

  72. 72
    Quiet Bat Person says:

    They have learnt that they can scam and defraud with impunity. She may lose her seat at the next election, but it will all be “within the rules” and she won’t have to pay back a penny.

    Bercow wanted this covered up. Bercow must go.

  73. 73
    K says:

    I suppose that’s why it’s says ‘partner’ above…

    Also from wiki: In December 2010 it was revealed that Riordan had secretly repaid £105.86 in wrongly claimed expenses. The repayment came about after Riordan had used House of Commons stationery for party political purposes. Riordan apologised, blaming volunteers for the incident.

  74. 74
    Selohesra says:

    Shit on my constituents
    And tell me that you vote for me
    I’ll trough on expenses and tell you that I care
    I like to moralise
    Whilst being a fraud in disguise
    I should be carted away

  75. 75
    Orwell's Ghost says:

    What the Tories do brazenly and openly with no shame and complete arrogance, Labour does behind closed doors and by stealth….but they’re basically the same….you lot can’t stand the hypocrisy and that’s fair enough but scumbags in glass houses….

  76. 76
    Nogbad the Bad says:

    Mong, try finding out how much “Lord” Sainsbury has donated to the Labour Party. If you want to find more examples of hipocrisy, look under socialist stones.

  77. 77
    sekwaf odiug says:

    In some ways, she did stopped mps pay rises for a time but she seemed to give carte blanche to expenses, she was famous for not claiming her salary but she had her expenses, remember expenses are not taxed but allowances are.

  78. 78
    Selohesra says:

    Just checked the BBC and they dont seem to have picked up on her yet

  79. 79
    Sir William Waad says:

    It should be easy enough to get invoice discounting for a trade debt due from Sainsbury’s, so this should be an extra cost rather than a disaster. It should be possible, although banks today are quite dysfunctional.

    It’s nice to see somebody on the Left with a concern for private business.

  80. 80
    Nothing better to do says:

    And she’ll get a grant if she’s booted out at an election.

  81. 81
    Quiet Bat Person says:

    I hear that the fish in the Thames are complaining of the Great Stink as they swim past the HoC. Something must be done with this sewage once and for all.

  82. 82
    Sir William Waad says:

    I think it’s morally worse to try to cadge money that isn’t yours, as many MPs do, than to try to hang on to money that is yours, as tax avoiders do. What do you think?

  83. 83
    sekwaf odiug says:

    With the unbridled help of the city of London and indirectly by Brown giving them reduced regulation, what a combination

  84. 84
    I hate Parliament so much it hurts says:

    Some of us hate all of them in equal measure.

  85. 85
    sarah says:

    And then she will be pontificating on Newsnight and Sky News

  86. 86
    Anonymous says:

    Skinner Honest ???? FFS what planet are you on ????

  87. 87
    bergen says:

    Sad but true.

  88. 88

    The sooner we stop these thieving bastards writing their own rules the better
    The “Get out of Jail” card is always “I’ve done nothing wrong it’s all within the rules”
    Yes you scumbag rules which you have written
    they should have to live under the same rules as every other pleb !

  89. 89
    Guido(I love the Nevis tax regime) says:

    Being a resident of Chorley, today is a nervous time for me. I have to nip to B&Q for a florescent tube and I’m hoping I don’t get tasered by the cops for having a light saber.

  90. 90
    Ed Balls says:

    To Far To Fast!To Far To Fast!To Far To Fast!To Far To Fast!To Far To Fast!To Far To Fast!To Far To Fast!To Far To Fast!To Far To Fast!To Far To Fast!To Far To Fast!To Far To Fast!To Far To Fast!To Far To Fast!To Far To Fast!To Far To Fast!To Far To Fast!To Far To Fast!To Far To Fast!To Far To Fast!To Far To Fast!To Far To Fast!To Far To Fast!To Far To Fast!To Far To Fast!To Far To Fast!

  91. 91
    Mornington Crescent says:

    The 5th November is not far away, Guido.

    Rather than being behind our screens and keyboards, any ideas for events to mark this great day, in the light of the last 2 days’ disclosures?

  92. 92
    Well it's a thought says:

    LibLabCon it’s what they do best, they have all forgotten the work for benefit of the public/country not themselves, until we have a way to get rid of them mid term or any time then they know they’re untouchable by the police or the house of corruption.

  93. 93
    K says:

    Glasgow – prime example

  94. 94
    I hate Parliament so much it hurts says:

    I think tax avoidance should be compulsory.

  95. 95
    Anonymous says:

    Love this comment from another low life scum.

    Helen Goodman‏@HelenGoodmanMP

    @GuidoFawkes but @Linda_Riordan has not fiddled. She is a widow who can’t afford to keep 2 homes unlike the #Tory #millionaires

  96. 96
    Anonymous says:

    Even Rhiodhan, like my Tipperary grandfather.

  97. 97
    Some Twat up North says:

    Perfect, just in time for Christmas lol

  98. 98

    I always thought your favourite was
    It’s a Knockout

  99. 99
    Anonymous says:

    Haha, let’s fuck ‘em all up the arse!

  100. 100
    Anonymous says:

    Er ….. especially, Rhiordhan

  101. 101
    Archer Karcher says:

    Socialists usually steal from taxpayers, you know, the people they always claim they are here to protect from evil exploitation.

  102. 102

    Hi mate! Where have you been? Thought you had got stuck in a bronze mine…

  103. 103
    Tumour Claus says:

    Dirty scum.

    We are merely reducing the amount paid to the idle vermin who vote for this ugly, bootfaced, sponging hypocrite.

    See you this Yuletide!

  104. 104
    Anonymous says:

    Hope the Sunlight Centre has written an official complaint . Go get the f*ckers, Guido.

  105. 105
    Pawn Sandwich says:

    How can an MP spend £400 a month on food for him/herself. I can understand if it is Prescott because he would go and cough it up.

    But a normal person – ffs £400 is a huge amount of food for one person. Remember this is not money for the extended family, this is money for food for one MP.

    Next time you shop make a mental note of what you are actually paying for FOOD. Exclude items like bin liners, booze and xxl condoms etc.

    Any MP who makes a claim for £400 for food in one month is a devious person.

  106. 106
    nellnewman says:

    Liam Fox is at it as well. They reckon there’s about 100 in total. I reckon most names will be outed by end of next week.

    There’ll be some tories , just as there was the last time but be embarrassing for militwit if most ‘offenders’ are labour again!!

  107. 107
    P.Mandevilson, the Eminence Greasy says:

    Me first !!

  108. 108
    K says:



    Jesus wept.

  109. 109

    And didn’t Margaret Moran keep the lion’s share of her theft?

  110. 110
    BBC News Editor says:


    Just stick the phone hacking graphics up again, they’ll have to do for now! Yeah, leave them on a loop 24/7 like before.

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  112. 112
    Archer Karcher says:

    Nobody in the House of Crooks will have any difficulty paying their heating bills.

    Because unlike the people they are forcing into fuel poverty, they can claim their heating and travel costs, back on expenses.

  113. 113
    Richard Chimney says:

    I wish ‘Jacqui ‘seven bellies’ Smith was still ‘living’ in her sister’s little bedroom.

  114. 114
    Cwis Bwyant says:

    Can’t we carry on talking about Andrew Mitchell ???

  115. 115
    the furry fish says:

    “Her illness becomes much worse whenever the case was mentioned” LOL

  116. 116

    A public execution would be more appropriate
    These vermin are put in a position of trust by taxpaying members of the public
    If they steal off the very people they claim to represent
    they should face the severest penalties
    they and their family should be stripped of all assets and the guilty party Burned at the stake in their own front garden whilst all their ill gotten gains are being auctioned off

    Hey and i’m fuckin serious !

  117. 117
    Socialists = Sociopaths says:

    Hypocrisy and Mendacity. It’s in Libor’s D-N-A.

  118. 118
    nellnewman says:

    a widow with a partner that she claims £42500 pa from taxpayer for bringing their combined salary to £100k plus – then there’s the expenses she claims plus the monies we are putting into her gold plated pension plus the monies she is claiming from us to run her constituency office and on and on……

    Hardly a poor widow!!

  119. 119

    Quite right Helen! She ought to be able to claim for her dead husband’s secretarial services too…

    What? She has?

  120. 120
    Dingo says:

    I wouldn’t fancy being behind Helen Goodman in the buffet queue

  121. 121

    Mornin sir trust you and yours are well ?

  122. 122
    Tory Boy says:

    “Fuck off you foreign prick”, I yelled. “Go and get a fucking job and stop coming hear to claim our benefits”.

    “What on earth are you talking about?”, he replied. “I work here! In fact, I work in your department”.

    “Well you’re still a fucking immigrant who doesn’t belong here” I yelled back.

    And that is how I won “Employee of the Month” at work. I love my job at the Daily Mail.

  123. 123

    Her and Prezza head to head.


  124. 124
    DZ says:

    If Goodman thinks this about the fact that she sits down to do a wee she is thicker than she looks

  125. 125

    As did that Lard bucket Jacqui Smith

  126. 126
    Yvonne from the Colliers Arms Clydach says:

    Cut the number of Mps to 60 and make them all live within 20 miles of Westminster . Two year appointments and double salaries : if they are not up to Ministerial standard they will soon be out .

    Do not take any of the old bullshit of MPs listening to constituents and therefore being invaluable .

    If you have a local problem go to your local councillor .

    Lot cheaper and a lot more efficient .

    What does Denny Skinner actually do all day ? What does our enobled Father of the House do too ?

  127. 127
    Legal Landlord says:

    She’s Labour – enuff said !

  128. 128
    nellnewman says:

    surely you meant the ‘money troughing game’?

  129. 129
    Mince says:


  130. 130
    George Gideon Oliver Osborne says:

    THE LATEST FIGURES for the estimated tax gap from HM Revenue & Customs put the shortfall at £32bn up to the year ending 2010/11, up £1bn on the previous year.
    The gap has been relatively consistent since 2004/05 – the furthest back estimates go – with the lowest figure coming in 2009/10 at £31bn and highest being £35bn in 2006/07 and two of the six years posting a £33bn shortfall.

    HM Revenue & Customs will robustly pursue right wing political bloggers with offshore tax arrangements in place to recoup the shortfall.

  131. 131

    This little piggy went to Westminster
    Piggy profited by renting out her home
    This piggy then charged to rent another
    So sack the fucking trougher and send her home.

  132. 132
    Joss Ayinglike says:

    She’s a Labour MP. They don’t get come thicker than that.

  133. 133

    Labour are the nasty party

    Potentia Per Hypocrisim

  134. 134
    Lord Wayne of $$$ says:

    What is sad here is not the fact that the bitch is making money out of the rules. that is fine

    what is sad here is that she is such a fucking grade 1 loser this is all she can drag up to make some money

    can’t we have MP s that know how to make money, rather this Socialist idiots – all they can do is steal off the STATE. This is not fucking USSR.

    Kick her out.

    NO PAY FOR MPs. No allowances. Nice and clean. Only the successful rich will participate. and they will have the honour and standards to let drip down help the poor. Simples

  135. 135

    Ive still been popping in from time to time , but not much has been happening to “float my boat”
    and for a while it seemed everything i posted was removed or put on hold by modds
    so i stopped bothering

  136. 136
    Anonymous says:

    No dodgy expenses. Attends HoC regularly.

  137. 137
    Lord Wayne of $$$ says:

    YOu d fuck it

  138. 138
    Labour Person says:

    “Are you dishonest?”


    And that is how got my job as a Labour MP

  139. 139

    Bwilliant thtuff gyth!! I’ll be PM AND Qween of all the Fairieth’ in 2015!!

  140. 140
    jgm2 says:

    Good old Goodman.

    Typical bedwetter tactic. If you don’t like the message then ascribe it to ‘sexism’ or ‘racism’. Get your opponent on the defensive.

    ‘But I’m not….’

    Suddenly you’re the one having to justify yourself.


  141. 141

    The MP’s song !

    The Contours “First i look at the purse”

  142. 142
    Millipede says:

    What about me? Son of an illegal Marxist immigrant? And got a can opener nose as well.

  143. 143
    jgm2 says:

    She knows that has nothing to do with it. She’s just trying to get Guido on the defensive. It’s the same as shouting ‘Racist’ any time you question what the fuck Diane Abbott is saying.

  144. 144
    jgm2 says:

    Dennis Skinner is fucking useless. All he’s doing is bed-blocking somebody else who might do a decent job. Although I doubt that because he’s in a safe Labour seat so, by definition, they’ll just elect some other class-war obsessed jackass.

  145. 145
    soapy says:

    Stick a print out of this entire thread in the programmes of next week’s football/rugby matches in Halifax so that those (nowt as kwere as) folk have summat to read at half time. Help to spread the word a bit.

  146. 146

    Ed, how many times have I told you to stay in the box.
    I don’t want to thtay in the boxth.
    Get in the box.
    Don’t make me thtay in the boxth.

    If you get in the box, I’ll let you play with all the boys and girls next Wednesday – AND you can play with Andy Pandy Burnham later!

    All wight – I’ll thit in the boxth. Gottle of gear.

  147. 147
    blub says:

    They write the ****ing rules, ****s.

  148. 148
    Anonymous says:

    Helen Goodman sounds like a grade 1 moron! why tweet a comment like that ? you can see Nicola Murray doing it cant you ?

  149. 149
    jgm2 says:

    Oh do fuck off. A ‘widow’. Scratching by on 65K a year plus expenses. Almost 60 so her kids will be long grown up and fucked off.

    I bet she’s an orphan too.

    The bedwetters were furious when Cameron mentioned his disabled son yet they have no problem at all pulling any old emotive lever when it comes to justifying the troughing of their own.

    Fucking horrible people.

  150. 150
    JBones says:

    It would be even better if you’d photoshopped her picture.

  151. 151
    soapy says:

    Did the wonderful Helen change her name from Madman to Goodman (although I suspect we are all agreed that that was a particularly unfortunate choice given the current revelations).

  152. 152
    Working Class Tory Boy says:

    How true, this is why the Tory Party needs to be won back for real Conservative values, UKIP are not going to form a government nor do i trust them more than any other bunch of seld interested politico toss pots. BUT they will f_ck over the twats running the show now and that is the point. Get Cameron and that bunch of Toff Tossers out and lets get in some new blood that knows about graft and enterprise and puts British (or at least English) concerns first.
    A term of Millibean or another load of Cameron just means moving the trough to the other side of the shed both will sell you down the road to the EU. Get rid of Cameron by destroying his whole project and THEN you win real change in the Tory Party. Tory since 79 but not in 2015 I’d sooner lost that battle and then win the long war.

  153. 153
    Bluebottle says:

    I am looking forward to the Election in 2015 .

    If I can vote in 2014 to free Scotland from these swines in Westminster I will .

  154. 154
    jgm2 says:

    Okay. Lets grant him that he’s ‘honest’. He’s also utterly fucking useless.

  155. 155
    soapy says:

    .. and probably a fat one too…

  156. 156
    Anonymous says:

    lets be honest, you havent anything to boast about with your darling Millmillionare and his mates, he would never have been heard over the last 2 years if he hadnt been bandwagon jumping and milking emotions over a dead schoolgirl.Appalling man.

  157. 157
    Anonymous says:

    There’s just no end to it is there?
    Fraudsmen, thieves, con artists, spivs whose dishonesty is only exceeded by their arrogance and yet every few years the sheep trundle off to the polling stations and vote for them. They are not even law-makers any more, just millionaires rubber-stamping diktats from Brussels and Berlin. The rest is ritualised play-acting.
    Has it always been like this? This bad? This depressing?

  158. 158
    blub says:

    or a really greedy bulimic

  159. 159
    jgm2 says:

    Unfortunately it appears that only 30% of Scots want independence.

    With a bit of luck those happy with the status quo will stay at home whereas the fervent English-haters will vote in their droves.

  160. 160
    nellnewman says:

    socialism’s a weird thing isn’t it.

    militwit and his loony left band despise landlords, property ownership, personal wealth for everyone else but acquire these things for themselves by leaching taxpayers money.

  161. 161
    Gonk says:

    I would consider it money well spent if it was £400 on full strength Capstan.

  162. 162
    soapy says:

    … complete with Daily Mail standard spelling level.

  163. 163

    Erm… “public money”?

    I think that’s a euphemism for appropriated private money. You see, “Orwell’s ghost”, don’t let anybody know this, it’s just our secret, right….. but the “Government”, the NHS, the BBC, all of the other government/ public funded bodies…. come closer, I’ll whisper…. don’t HAVE any money! I know, it’s a fucking shock, isn’t it!? They only have private money, paid as tax from private sources!

    So putting “public money in private hands” is really just putting it back where it was taken from in the first place…. but hey, socialists and economics… it’s not just a purple mystery, more of a Brown history.

    As for scumbags – look no further than the LieBore benches.

  164. 164
    Religion: The Original Sin says:

    Helen Goodman obviously aware of the male MPs doing this. Why has she not reported them. Accessory to the crime.

  165. 165
    Selohesra says:


  166. 166
    Anonymous says:

    I was with you until the labour speak came out, do any normal people really say toffs ?

  167. 167
    Religion: The Original Sin says:

    Keep Bercow on the hook!

  168. 168

    FFS Orwell’s ghost – Labour fucked you sideways for 13 years, lining their pockets at your expense and you still think Labour politicians are socilaists????

    Haven’t you worked out that the Shadow cabinet is rammed full of spoilt brat, over-privileged kids, now millionaires, Oxbrdige professional politicians with zero real life experience that want power and money and certainly do not want to erode their support base by improving their lot – what an idiot

  169. 169
    nellnewman says:

    this of course should have gone to 47

  170. 170
    Archer Karcher says:

    Just stick ‘em in a council flat in their constituency and kick them out of it when they are kicked out by the electorate.

    Job done, no need for hotels which the corrupt swine would soon twist into luxury, all expenses paid, valet service palaces.

  171. 171
    Religion: The Original Sin says:

    Did he know what was going on? Another accessory!

  172. 172
    Anonymous says:

    Something to do with Banks, i believe.

  173. 173
    Socialists = Sociopaths says:

    We expect everyone else to do as we say. Not do as we do.

  174. 174
    Bill D'Sarse says:

    Not just Glasgow – just look at any (particularly northern) town or city of the former industrial variety.

  175. 175
    Anonymous says:


  176. 176
    I'll have some of that says:


  177. 177
    Labour says:

    We’re the party of the working man and woman! Hold on a sec…

    Oi! Pablo, bring us our fucking chablis and merlot!

  178. 178
    Anonymous says:

    As did Garys,strangely enough.

  179. 179

    In the pink, you might say! And you and yours?

  180. 180
  181. 181
    Mickey Gove says:

    I took my car in for an MOT this morning and the man doing the test told me that the car is Jimmy Saville’d.

    “What do you mean?” I enquired.

    “It’s 10 years old and it’s fucked.” He replied.

  182. 182

    C U N T S – T H E Y – A R E!!!!

  183. 183
    Hope she gets hounded all day says:

  184. 184
    Westminster Gossip says:

    These discusting pigs are not about public service they are about exploiting the public and serving themselves!!!

  185. 185
    Anonymous says:

    Hes a bloody joke !

  186. 186
    Hope she gets hounded all day says:

  187. 187
    Abused of Croydon says:

    You pathetic little shit..

  188. 188
    Golly says:

    But the Welsh witch wants to cut the numbers from 650 to 60 employed under fixed two year taxpayer guaranteed contracts .

    There will be no pigs left to wander around the place making out they are so important and creaming our money .

  189. 189
    Religion: The Original Sin says:

    Trying to correct Balls is a waste of time.

  190. 190
    Anonymous says:

    I think anybody who has started this sort of scam now should really be made an example of, how can they be so stupid ?

  191. 191
  192. 192
    Archer Karcher says:

    Skinner is also a liar.

    He stated many times in the past that he would quit at 65 and make way for a younger candidate. He’s 80 now and could have retired years ago, but then hypocrisy is a socialist calling card.

  193. 193
    steve Hilton back 31.01.13 says:

    If you said that on national television you would be arrested .

  194. 194
    Breathless in Corby says:

    You clearly know as much about wine as you do the economy .

  195. 195
    Archer Karcher says:

    Ditto inner London, now largely a third world shithole.

  196. 196
    Working Class Tory Boy says:

    Yep when the c_nts fuck a party that should represent the country I fought for in 82. Toff used to be a jogular and derernential term with a little edge to it, I’ve got no issue with elites we need them, but only when they can do the job. As for Labour they they are one election away from extinction. The Tory party needs to fought for and it then needs to fight for this country. We’ve got the wrong Toffs that is the problem.

  197. 197
    Rob Roy says:

    Exactly and that is why Scotland will be out of it in 2014 .

  198. 198
    Rob Roy says:

    Believe those Conservative produced figures if you want Jimmy .

    Every time Cameron says something 200 Scots decide to vote for the exit .

  199. 199
    marvin TPA says:

    nicely described GF

    but whether we call it benefit fraud or FARMING the racket is widespread in society

  200. 200
    Anonymous says:

    That isnt fair, we are talking about a Labour MP at the moment. No Conservatives have been named, nice try, though.

  201. 201
    Archer Karcher says:

    They’re not stupid, they’re protected.

    If there was any real justice or real rule of law in this country, at least 200 of the parliamentry parasites would have ended up behind bars, rather than the tiny handful who did last time.

  202. 202
    marvin TPA says:

    Savile case police are now following 350 leads – most of them attached to dogs

  203. 203
    Lady Virginia Droit de Seigneur says:

    MacShane’s thieving wasn’t properly dealt with either.

  204. 204
    Anonymous says:

    Why was that amount ever agreed upon ?

  205. 205
    marvin TPA says:

    on the contrary – she’s very socialist – that’s part of the problem

  206. 206
    savile j says:

    how old is she?

  207. 207
    Dick Head from the Lamb and Flag, Hammersmith says:

    It’s there. The Olympic Village. Good train links too.

  208. 208
    Gonk says:

    I agree

  209. 209
    ed martin says:

    wots LGBT?

  210. 210
    I try to avoid dodgy bergers if I can says:

    All it needs is a bright young lawyer in the CPS and he or she will get a result .

  211. 211
    Don't understand the fuss says:

    I don’t see what the fuss is about MPs renting properties to other MPs. As I understand it, this is expressly allowed by the rules. Why does it make any difference whether their tenant is an MP or a bus driver? If the suggestion were that above-market rents were being paid in order to fleece the taxpayer, that would obviously be highly objectionable. But I have not seen that allegation made.

    What does seem odd is MPs being entitled to claim expenses for renting a property in London when they themselves own a property there which they could perfectly well live in. But this has no particular connection to the “MPs renting to MPs” story. It applies whoever an MP’s tenant is.

    Guido is far too quick to accuse people of dishonesty, fraud or “fiddling” the sytem etc. It has a corrosive effect on political discourse and detracts from the (sadly too frequent) occasions when such descriptions are justified.

  212. 212
    JH says:

    Tax avoidance is legal and everyone’s duty.

    Evasion is where you stop your stuff being extracted with menaces and then pissed up the wall.

    I think the moral position of the two is converging. Is it wrong to hide your stuff from thieves?

  213. 213
    Porky Pig says:

    This woman is an A-grade pig faced c.u.n.t!!!!!

  214. 214
    Gonk says:

    Rule 1 in the Socialist defence play book, has been for forty years.

  215. 215
    ToonBert... says:

    Something to do with penis envy ?

  216. 216
    Yvonne from the Colliers Arms Clydach says:

    I do not care about her politics.

    She has got my money and I want it back .

  217. 217
    Mornington Crescent says:

    Yes, I was about to say, she’s still got the “defamatory” card to play, like Berger yesterday.

    Wind your necks in, you arrogant bints – and kindly remember that you’re supposed to be servants of the people, not the other way around.

  218. 218
    MB. says:

    I saw this comment on the Jimmy Savile story this morning

    “Those were the days when the National Council for Civil Liberties (now
    known as Liberty) released a report, signed by the now Labour Deputy Leader
    Harriet Harman, calling for the age of consent to be lowered to 14. The
    report contained the phrase “childhood sexual experiences, willingly
    engaged in, with an adult result in no identifiable damage”. The NCCL also
    opposed laws criminalising child pornography. People opposed to further
    liberalisation of laws related to sexual morality were widely derided as

  219. 219
    Obi Wan says:

    These aren’t the toffs you’re looking for.

  220. 220
    A soon to be ex chief whip says:

    Are those police sirens I hear outside the Palace of Westminster ?

  221. 221
    iris says:

    no, go the depression route. It worked for me

  222. 222
    Christine Kitchener of 5 Malivina Terrace Slough says:

    I guess it was a toss up between that and playing the sexism/ chauvinist pig card .

  223. 223
    Archer Karcher says:

    Agreed, what is really needed in this country is a real alternative to the left wing shit peddled by the three main parties, who have given up on principles and now value ‘progressivism’ ( leftism ) and consensus, above every other consideration.

    Politics has been reduced to worthless posturing along the lines of, Labour say we need to build 1000 new wind generators a month, the Conservatives say no, no, that is far too many, we need 800, the LD’s then pop up with a compromise of 900 and so they fudge along.

    At no stage do they offer any alternative, it’s as if none exist, when we all know they do.

  224. 224
    BBC - Labour Says, Labour Says says:

    The Toady Liebor Programme had it on this morning quoting from the Daily Mail BUT without mentioning that she was a she and was Labour.
    Par for the course with this nappy wetting PC liebor loving BBC bias.

  225. 225
    Anonymous says:

    This confirms once again that our MPs will rob the British taxpayer senseless. Am I the only one to notice that it is usually the Labour MPs that hog the trough? Their egalitarian principles soon disappear when they have the chance to line their own pockets, supported by that absolute tosser Bercow!

    I hate these left wing hypocrits!

  226. 226
  227. 227
    Selohesra says:

    If thats to the tune of the Spam song it should have gone under No 9

  228. 228
    Pundit too too says:

    Fullers Earth

  229. 229
    4 at a time says:

  230. 230
    Pundit too too says:

    You mean unpaid interns – her blame game only shows how totally corrupt she is. Gordon should be told there is a real bigot in his party.

  231. 231
    Selohesra says:

    a sandwich with bacon, lettuce , tomato and gherkins

  232. 232
    Sweeney, The says:

    Lezzer Gayer Bum Terrorists?

  233. 233
    Jack Daw says:

    Attaching a pig snout to the photo above seems superfluous to me.

  234. 234
    Pundit too too says:

    No it should be a bye-bye election.
    Bring back the stocks and have them in it in their constituency with the press in full attendance.

  235. 235
    A Pleb who wants Mitchell out of public office says:

    It will come to an end when I stop paying taxes .

  236. 236
    BBC aka Bring Back Communism says:

    Our radio 4 Toady Programme did mention them this morning but not the Labour cheats.

  237. 237
    Skinner the geriatric MP not the comedian (perhaps) says:

    I have nothing better to do and need the money to keep up my life style.
    F****k the younger persons as they cannot rant like me.

  238. 238
    Pundit Too says:

    Wrong. 2 Conservatives named on BBC radio 4 Today Programme, but no Labour or Libdem cheats.

  239. 239
    Furious from Corby says:

    I do not think this is a party political thing mate ;

    They are all in this together having a good laugh at our expense .

    Cameron could and should have had his collar felt last time around .

    Claiming mortgage relief and paying it back when questions are being asked is no legal defence .

    I trust the Prime Minister enjoyed his braised veal and fresh spinach last night .

  240. 240
    Mr N Griffin says:

    A woman with a clipboard approached me today.

    She said “We are conducting a television survey, how would you describe your viewing style?”

    “Pakastani style” I replied.

    “Excuse me.” she said, “What does that mean exactly?”

    “Never seen a soap in my life” I replied.

  241. 241
    Greychatter says:

    Thought the maximum Housing allowance for the “Pl*bs”, had, or was being reduced to 400 Pounds per month,is this so the Socialists/Political elite can claim an extra 1000 pounds to line their own pockets?

    If we are all supposed to be equal why has the “Normal” worker/taxpayer to paid all their own expenses for travel/rent etc out of net income?

    The Politicians complain about off-shore and other tax fiddles by businesses and other with a bit of wealth but some politicians seem to have the fiddles off to a fine art. Stop one expense fiddle and they invent another.

  242. 242
    A hard Pressed Tax Payer says:

    Has HMRC been contacted for them to clarify these payments MP’s are in receipt

    of, have to be DECLARED & ARE SUBJECT TO TAX !!!

    What are the penalties that HMRC can impose on those who have not

    declared this additional source of Income !! As would be the case if Mr or Mrs

    Joe Public puts so much of a hair out of place there are vigorously pursued

    by HMRC.

    Will there be any COURT prosecutions by HMRC, if there is case of under

    declaration, against these individuals who have not fully declared there

    total incomes ??

    “We are all in this together”

    Of course this statement does apply to this shower of evil shi*t !!

  243. 243
    Lord Manglesome says:

    Hell you people have no idea of the price of caviar, truffles, Chateau Rothschild, wild salmon, waynga and aberdeen angus beef.
    Total plebs you are.
    £400 is only one weeks food and wine bill in my household.

  244. 244
    Pundit Too says:

    It should be 500 MP’s maximum.

  245. 245
  246. 246
    Ivan Agenda says:

    Someone rammed a voter poll card into my door relating to voting for a new Police and Crime Commissioner.
    Not a clue as to who is in the running and the voting is in 15th November.
    Total fiasco this issue. Wonder if another Liebore Lard Fatso wants our region?

  247. 247
    Margaret Moran says:

    This woman gives MP’s a bad name. Shame on her.

  248. 248
    Anonymous says:

    Please let Helen know you care:

    The most important part of an MPs work is listening to their constituents, and you can contact Helen in a number of ways.

    By e-mail: goodmanh@parliament.uk

    By telephone:

    i) Westminster office: 020 7219 4346

    ii) Bishop Auckland office: 01388 603075

  249. 249
    Your BBC betters says:

    We like to make it clear to people that Tory MPs on the hook for something are TORY MPs.

    Similarly we like to introduce anything we don’t like as ‘The FAR RIGHT der-de-der-de-der’, while never, ever introducing anything as ‘far left’. It’s all about balance.

    Now, shut the fuck up and pay your telly tax. Or else.

  250. 250
    Synic says:

    Dennis Skinner worked as a miner for 20 years. For all his left wing views, he has done real work in the real world, unlike Milliponce and all the other ex SPADS and Oxford PPE graduates. They have never done anything useful in their live, and just suck taxpayers money from the Westminster teat.

  251. 251
    Chris Bryant says:

    Did you say ‘bi’ election? That’ll do for me!

    I’ve got photos.

  252. 252
    Thom says:

    Didn’t Geoff Hoon build up a little fiefdom using this wheeze back when it was still ok to milk mortgage payments then trade up to a new property to build a property empire?

  253. 253
    Anonymous says:

    Don’yt forget your admiration for Linda

    Write – 2-4 Shaw Lodge House, HALIFAX, HX3 9ET

    E-mail – riordanl@parliament.uk

    Phone – 01422 251800

    Fax – 01422 251888

  254. 254
    Jimmy Mack says:

    Chris Bryant, what an obnoxious,odious fucker! would like to see
    this twats face plastered all over the media.

  255. 255
    Biased Broadcasting Corporation says:

    Troughing Queen
    Troughing Queen
    Having the time of your life,
    See that girl
    She’s so keen
    Dig it
    The Troughing Queen.

  256. 256
    A.Bba says:

    My, my, at Westminster Moran flipped and did surrender
    Oh yeah, and I have met my destiny in quite a similar way
    The history book on the shelf
    Is always repeating itself.

    Westminster- I”ve been troughing for even more!
    Westminster – Promised to represent you, but I’m a money whore – Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa.
    Westminster – Couldn’t convict me if you wanted to
    Westminster- Knowing my flat will be paid by you
    Westminster – Your all just plebs, so what can you do?

  257. 257
    A hard Pressed Tax Payer says:

    Hope one or more of her constituents e-mails to ask the question

    “Has all of these payments been fully declared from the date they started,

    to HMRC. ????”

  258. 258
    Anon again says:

    did mean “splattered” rather than plastered, if so could not happen to

    nicer person…..

  259. 259
    Sarge says:

    You forgot -squeezed middle, closed circles…..and ‘I demand an enqwiwy’

  260. 260
    Anon says:

    He is one of many…….and seems to have got away with it…..

    We await news of Poetic Justice @ some point!!!

  261. 261
    Nye Nemill says:

    I’d prefer it to be a “drive by” election.

  262. 262
    Anonymous says:

    still nothing on bbc or sky about this – why’s that then? D notice? lazy journos?
    they don’t give a fuck?

  263. 263
    Anonymous says:

    ………. and you’re too stupid to see what’s going on

  264. 264

    I wish someone would give him the punchline.

    Dennis Skinner – the village idiots’ role model.

  265. 265
    Anonymous says:

    They are just doing what they are told. In truth the “British” Gov has very little clout, they obey their EU masters

  266. 266
    Universal Hiss says:

    I’ll be voting yes but I’m hardly an English hater.

    I’m English.

    I don’t like the SNP but I’d rather be shafted by a local rather than the sacks of shit in Westminster.

    I know it will please you too after the trauma you suffered from living in Scotland.

  267. 267
    pissed off voter says:

    Goodman is just as guilty as her slut of a friend Riordan, as are all those others who have known what was going on but kept quiet. This frightenly mirrors the Savile situation – totally immoral actions by some moronic excuses for humans which are witnessed by many who choose to condone those actions by looking the other way. Honourable? Right honourable? not a scrap of honour between the lot of them.

  268. 268

    Lightweight, Gormless, Blob-rage and Testy – I think they are an all-female chamber of barristers.

  269. 269
    Pollys Love Child says:

    Why is it that it’s always Socialist munters who play the “sexist” card?

  270. 270
    Tony Eden from Eton says:

    What has been going on is not illegal ?

    MPs have been interpreting the rules in a certain way to enable themselves to obtain a pecuniary advantage ( i.e. taxpayer’s money ) by deception ( i .e. pretending they needed to rent a flat in London when they had one they could have used already ) . This breaches Theft Act Section 16 1968 .

    I hope this helps .

  271. 271
    Anonymous says:

    What fucking planet are you on?

  272. 272
    P C Knacker says:

    These women MPs are not the brightest on the block are they ?

    There is a possible fraud here committed on their doorstep and they are blabbing about it all over the net .

  273. 273
    Slug Balancer says:

    Ask the Open University. They push it on every course.

  274. 274
    Anonymous says:

    If Helen Goodman’s comment is made on the basis that Guido (and Neo Guido) are men, is she not also being sexist? I can see no other evidence of sexism to back up her comment.

  275. 275
    irate citizen says:

    So get your lazy arse round there and start asking awkward questions. Take a bloke from the Revenue with you while your are at it.

  276. 276
    blub says:

    “Has it always been like this? This bad? This depressing?”

    EU. Selling out the country has left them nothing to do as they’re not really the government any more.

  277. 277
    irate citizen says:

    Sky are currently obsessed with the disappearnce of a 3 year old in Greece 20 odd years ago.

    Probably got eaten for breakfast by some visiting Tory MP.

  278. 278

    And 100% of the English !

  279. 279
    sekwaf odiug says:

    Well they are not perfect spheroids are they

  280. 280
    Kitty fiddlers being protected says:

    Extreme Labour troughing = contrived theft. Assume that Millionareband will soon say that this beggars belief. Of course, he will not.

  281. 281
    The savant says:

    Jeez she DOES look Lille a little piggy with those Bugs Bunny teeth .

    I bet she was first to the porridge when she was a little. Girl. ….

    Old habits. …………….

  282. 282
    The savant says:

    Well yes. But mad frankie. Has never ever. Said he was. Picky

  283. 283
    The savant says:

    Wasn’t t it McNulty

  284. 284
    The savant says:

    Hello Nigerian 419. Scam ?

    are you still. With us. ??

  285. 285
    The savant says:

    Unlike you. My. lord they are not professionals. And are incapable of filching millions and disappearing forever. With your degree of élan and sophistication ..

    God. These. Amateurs !!

  286. 286
    Tim Richardney says:

    @GuidoFawkes Do you point out the people who do not avail of this?

    In short worse play of the I’m a wimmins leave me alone card since Harriet’s last one. Or was that five bellies?

  287. 287
    Gaius says:

    The best form of defence is attack.

    Rather than “But I’m not…”, it would be “Fuck off you leftie nonce, say that again and I’ll punch your fucking lights out”. It would be legal too, due to provocation.

  288. 288
    wolfgang says:

    LGBT is Lightweight Germano-British Tightwad

  289. 289
    Just asking says:

    Are you saying Harriet Harman is a … ?

  290. 290
    Everyone says:

    Not here thanks, this is a Libertarian site.

  291. 291
    Michael Gove says:

    It gets worse.

  292. 292
    derp says:

    the savant – everything you write makes you sound like a cnut

    that is all

  293. 293
    derp says:

    here bloody here

  294. 294
    Farmer Giles says:

    Goodman misses the point, no doubt deliberately to try and divert some of the heat. I don’t care if they are sows or boars filling themselves with the swill at public expense, let’s get rid of the lot!

  295. 295
    Tom Catesby says:

    Because it’s an easy answer like ‘waaaaaycist!’

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