Unions’ Pilgrims Spin Unravels, Again
Last the night the BBC website ran what was basically a press release from Mark Serwotka’s PCS union damning Francis Maude’s decision to wield the axe over Pilgrims:
“An official pointed to government figures which, he said, showed the subsidy raises money. For every £1 spent on full-time trade union officials negotiating with employers, resolving grievances and dealing with health and safety issues, the official said, between £3 and £9 was generated for the wider economy.”
It turns out these “government figures” are from 2007, under Gordon’s Labour government. What a surprise they backed taxpayer cash being spent on unions.
Guido hears that the Beeb are getting it in the neck from the Cabinet Office for failing to check this out. Union spin unravels once again…
If it’s being damned by the unions it must be great for the Country.
Just shut down the BBC and end this nonsense
We sort of agree a little bit that we are a group of over-paid, self-serving, poncy, pervs, kweers, homos, dykes PC ShamPain socialistas and utterly contemptible arseholes.
But, being totally unqualified in anything that has any relevance or usefulness in the real world, what other job could we do that pays so much and demands so little?
Did you hear Cameron being interviewed this morniong?
It was scripted by Ed Balls.
The fiscal lunatic Ed Balls – it was his carping whinging narrative from start to finish.
I am so glad I refuse to fund the BBC – paying for that cesspit of international marxist propaganda would be unbearable.
I have a solution for the BBC, privatise them within 10 years. If their revenue decreases by a tenth every year this will force them to become businesslike and efficient. It will also save the telly tax payers a tenth of their bill every year.
It won’t force them to become efficient.. they’ll sack all the front line staff and keep their management mates. So we’ll end up with no television or radio just thousands of wafflers and peodophile supporters staring at us from the box. Oh, no change really.
what will we do without james necktie and the late great jimmy saveloy?
Jimmy the Red Naughty interviewing Cameron on the Liebor Toady Programme this morning reminded me of my rage and blood pressure.
The holier than thou Jim tried to give a list of ills that the Conservative Party had just gone through recently; completely forgetting the almost endless list of crimes that the Liebor party under both Bliar and Superman Gordon inflicted on this country, and were never held to account by HIM or his public funded institution in the whole 13 years of their venal regime.
I can only remember ONE BBC presenter giving Liebore Ministers in Power a hard time – though Robert Lustig did come a close second – unfortunately he is leaving – probably fed up with peddling the BBC loony left wing agenda.
I was amazed by the Jim Naughtie interview with David Cameron on the today prog this morning. Jim was unprofessional, he was barely concealing his feelings as he spoke to the PM. Why do we have to put up with this bias ? what can we do ?
More to the point, why are the BBC broadcasting national socialist propaganda on behalf of the Unions without even basic checks?
The BBC doesn’t feel the need to adhere to basic journalistic standards.
Except when it suits them to cover something up, then they hide behind “We needed more time to fact check and get more corroborating sources.”
Which is the excuse they used when they buried the original climate-gate leaks.
Funny how these journalistic standards did not apply when they reported blatant lies about the heartland’s leaked documents, omitting the fact that the only damning document out of all of them was a fake.
There appears to be enough evidence to jail a bunch from the BBC but no political party has the guts to do so. Why has the BBC not been shut down just on bias claims, let alone their other dubious cover ups.
I never watch the BBC anymore. I relate it to a culture of pure lefty bias propaganda which habours child sex abusers.
I stopped watching it because it is usually dull. They sepnd far too much time telling yiu what they are showing elsewhere and spend far too little time making decent programmes.
Liblabcon and the EU Commission all recognise the valuable service provided to them by the BBC.
The sensible, commercial punishment for this nest of vipers is the conversion of the organisation into a subscription service, on the entirely justifiable grounds that they trading unfairly and have gained an unreasonable commercial advantage over other media businesses in the UK.
To be fair, not all their output is reprehensible. Even I’d be prepared to subscribe to some things, for example BBC 4, because I’m interested in the history of the music business and I’m a fan of the channel’s imported crime series.
But it was in the Guardian!
If you do not watch it then you should be able to get your Licence Fee back .
It is part of your Human Rights I say .
BBC Radio Ulster, this morning .. ‘austerity clearly isnt working’…
Yes, let’s have a return to profligacy, it’s the right thing to do.
There really does need to be a stop put to all this corruption. Can’t we just arrest them?
Where’s Uncle Joe when you need him?
I believe he has the solution
The ‘government figures’ were lies then and they are lies now. Pilgrim payments are taxpayers’ money stolen from the poor and corruptly wasted on the upper middle class union bosses.
owzaboutzatzen
Why did it ever develop that “pilgrims” were paid for by the public purse ? (let me guess, during a Labour Government)union members pay subs, and “pilgrims” should be paid out of those. There again, that would mean that £200,000 salaries for union leaders would be out !
Sir Jimmy who?
Sovile.
Looking for fiddlers.
Is Mark Serwotka worth a million?
Yes. A million kicks up the ar*se
A million vaults???
Volts…but the former would be a reasonable punishment…phew this Rioja is mighty strong today!!
Union leaders and bureaucrats may be upset about this (their wages and salaries are under threat) but it should please union activists.
Unions have been outsourced HR departments for years. And contrary to what right-wing myopics think, these subsidies lead to co-opted unions that do the bidding of the state and employers. Unions should be the enemy of the boss class (public or private) and should oppose everything they do. It’s impossible to do that when you’re holding out the begging plate and asking for a seat at the table.
Proper unions, not co-oped unions.
Militancy, not negotiation.
Fucking ‘ell, Dave Spart is alive an well.
you forgot to mention the deluded arsehole bit
Unions should not be the enemies of anyone, there job is solely to look after their members’ interests, and that means getting on well with the owners of businesses.
Take your class war back to Moscow grandad.
The bosses class think and want it to mean that.
They are wrong.
Is this what union-backed Milliband meant by One Nation?
who is this francis arsehole? don’t ‘e know i’m the chief wanker on dis blog
Would they make a film like this now?
“We do not and cannot accept the principle that incompetence justifies dismissal, that is victimisation.”
Hahahaha….”bosses class”, you give yourself away with your outdated vernacular, and some of your comments seem to be lifted from the script of, “I’m Alright Jack”. Many of those ‘bosses’ who you sweepingly dismiss, have their origins in working class families who have worked hard to get where they are, and don’t play the victim card while sitting on their arses doing fuck all expecting others to make a living for them.
You mean scabs and arselickers?
Shoot them, they get in the way of Tractor production and are therfore enemies of the state. Also shoot the news editor as a lesson to others
Welcome Comrade, send me your list of the scum to be shot. It’s hard work but we are building socialism.
Harriet Harperson, Bryne of the late ministry of finance, Jack Dromey, all the BBC Today programme team with editors, Polly Toynbee, Lord Oxen? the idiot Lib Dem, St. Vince in Cable – that would be a good day’s work in cleaning up politics and the news. Try and put them in line to not waste bullets.
Hang, draw, and quarter Ed Balls as a public event.
Exactly how many jobs do trade unions create in the private sector.
This T**T clearly never tried to run a business in the 70′s and 80′s
If you want to be militant fine but not with my money
If management want to discuss redundancies , changes in work conditions and practices , disciplinary procedures and pay they will in future always be amenable for discussions to take place outside working hours .
Indeed. You will find the owner and directors of a company still in the office long after the staff have gone home.
If you don’t like your job’s terms and conditions, please feel free to go and get another job and go and do a job you are happy with
Recent employment legislation is partially responsible for the amount of depression in this country
Employment should be easy in easy out, it is the best for everybody
How convenient for the Biased Broadcasting Corporation that they failed to check such a story before publishing it. Just a silly mistake, however, and they will be publishing a fullsome apology very shortly….
We are just a bunch of useless tax-dodging, socialist, peedoh, arse-bandits on the whole.
You forgot to mention grossly overpaid.
You also forgot to mention that you were caught running fraudulent phone-in contests.
They’re creative enablers and they’re real cool
Without them who’d have dreamed of Muffin the Mule?
Don’t forget us
Erm, you might just deem it, upon some reflection
Unwise to bring in the Little Weed connection
Are we really, really supposed to believe that some whiny, uppity little cvnt telling an employer what’s what ‘generates’ money? Never mind £9 for every £1 spent?
These overgrown student trots are basically incapable of making a net penny – that’s why they ended up in leftist unions in the first place. They don’t resolve grievances – they create, amplify and exploit them.
I suppose we are to believe that politicised threats of strikes ‘generates’ money for the economy too?
9 quid for every one spent, that’s one hell of a profit margin.
Can I suggest all factories scrap their production facilities and invest their entire capital in union pilgrims. At 800 percent profit we could be booming within one tax year.
You’re on to something Sir Alan.
How about if we just have bloated teams of Union representatives advising EACH OTHER.
That way, everyone in the goddamn room is making a 9:1 ROI. The means of production would be ours within a couple of months.
I feel a rendition of The Red Flag coming on.
Or the alternative. Reduce costs by closing everything down.
The ‘wider economy’ being the public sector in this case – wow myopia from the left. Whoda thought it?
I am a public servant and not a member of any union .
I have written to my line manager saying I wish to renegoiate my pay (which has not changed for two years) and/or my terms and conditions of employment .
I have suggested a meeting in a local hotel a week next Sunday .
I have had no reply .
There’s no money left.
Trot and a wrecker have him shot
You should be receiving a text message reply to say you will be getting a 10% pay cut along with everyone else. Payrises indeed when the country has been brought to its knees by Labour bloating the public sector with a million more overheads.
I have a clear recollection of Mr Cameron in early 2007 promising to match Labour spending plans and exceed them to make us all rich .
Only the Lib Dimwit Mr Dollar pointed out the madness of lending money to buy property to individuals who could not prepare a business plan to get a business loan .
I think Mr Cameron is more of a Jonah than a Messiah .
If the interference of unions really creates £9 for every £1 spent, why aren’t they acting as consultants to industry, including non-unionised ones?
With that sort of ROI, they will soon be making billions and will be swiftly able to buy the means of production, which is what it’s all about, right comrades?
Once that is achieved, the socialist golden dawn will be upon us.
Unless there is some sort of minor flaw in this plan.
The unions are wealth creators.
In total agreement the unions do create wealth and these proposed Tory welfare cuts are a disgrace. It is the right of poor people to lie in bed all day and be looked after by the state. I am so passionate about this that I have been telling the Russian media about it. Boaz.
http://ruvr.co.uk/2012_09_24/89216423/
Deviant and wrecker, have him shot
“why aren’t they acting as consultants to industry, including non-unionised ones?”
That’s exactly what they do act as.
Cut the right-wing BS away, and you find unions selling their members out at every opportunity. The role of state-sanctioned trade union (for that is what they are, try forming your own trade union) in a capitalist economy is to discipline labour.
If business and the state didn’t have them they’d invent them.
But the figures are they correct ??
£9 for every £1 spent! Why I never realised the solution to ending our recession was there all along! All we need to do is insert unions in to every business and within no time the economy will be speeding along 9 times faster!
Wow. Who knew?
The European Union should be quids in
As with all politicians what they say means nothing. It is what happens that counts and Cameron’s record of delivering on his promises is appalling.
non existent rather than appalling.
He leads a government of bumboys and nonces for bumboys and nonces.
Imagine being forced to spend 50% of your time at work actually working.
This is very good news.
Guido should get an MBE for services to the taxpayer, freeing up millions of pounds for vital public services and exposing these fiddling lead-swingers.
And there was silly me thinking we lived in a classless society .
Mr Fawkes is after a gong
Only I decide who gets the medals. On his current performance his may get the Order of Labour or I might have him shot
He could have had Jimmy Savile’s but he’s Irish.
I am uncertain how money is created, do they print it ? I also don’t know why growth is a good thing or sustainable. I thought if there was economic activity then the same amount of money was moved around and so people were fed, watered and cheerful.
I have a second hand Skoda.
Would you like to buy it ?
Only if it says “2:30 pm”
This is a great CONSERVATIVE thing to do. What a pity Dave’s other policies are all watered down Liberal stuff. In any case it’s still taken them nearly 3 years to do any thing CONSERVATIVE.
Europhile Dave and his fellow Liberal Clegg, will still sell you out to the German dominated EU. Osbourne can say anything he likes at the conference, but remember, it’s the unelected EU that will tell him if he can really do it!
Dave never won the last election, and he certainly won’t win the next either! He could join the next liblab government though with his liberal policy agenda!
Dave is toast.
He’s lost grass roots support and the one thing you can bet on a conservative voter is that they wont vote for a K.NT who aint conservative.
The Leader should have been turning the airwaves purple this morning lambasting the IMF for their incompetence and giving us full details of the 10 billion pounds of savings from the Social security budget which silly George forgot to give us yesterday .
I’m not a great fan of Dave but thought he did well this am on Toady programme – calm & statesmanlike was effective way of dealing with Naughties hostile lefty rant – left presenter looking pretty silly and clearly far from suposed standards of impartiality
Balance, real facts, and interviewing of integrity we do not do.
We are hear to effectively and constantly feed the masses the information our left wing comrades feed to us.
In our book their is no such thing as a lie – only a mistake.
Jimmy Saville, Freddie Star and their gang were saints.
I worked on a production line with a shop steward once .
He spent half his fucking time sorting out problems in the manager’s office whilst yours truly had to work his butt off covering for the count .
That is a union in action .
was his name jeremy? nice name for a twat
In the 60′s I was a young engineer formulating and giving piecework and single item ratefixing prices to individual machine shop operatives.
I was told by my manager to go easy on the capstan worker as he was a union rep. I ignored him and only built in about 2% to show I had done something.
The other operatives soon realised this as this man now had to work harder on my rates. I made great friends of both them and the foreman.
I know exactly how you feel .
A shop steward of my acquaintance seemed to have his tongue permanently positioned in management’s orifice .
He seemed to have remarkaby light duties .
I am not talking about the State Sector here too !
Yes, I’ve seen that many a time.
Has anyone any actual idea where these figures come from? I hear the unions spouting them all the time but how exactly do they make money from nothing for the ‘wider economy’? Since when did the public sector make any kind of profit? Perhaps if we had more of this money generating from the unions we’d solve the deficit over night?
Its all the legal work they generate in tribunals and compensation payouts for stress
Unions should pay salaries for their effective employees,not tax payers. And it is time to scrap the stealth tax which is the BBC license fee.
How the hell does someone, anyone, come up with this sort of statistic in the first place? I’s just meaningless, impossible-to-prove sh!te that any proper journalist would spot a mile off as being steaming dung.
The BBC are rampant at the moment, encouraged by the Coalition’s utter incompetence and cra&p media operation.
-As meaningless shite goes, its up there with the most fatuous shit they used to produce to promote The Dear Leader .
Notice how the sneaky bastards tucked it away on a website hoping no one intelligent would notice. They really are fucking creeps of the highest order.
Bollocks to the Cabinet Office
“For every £1 spent on full-time trade union officials negotiating with employers, resolving grievances and dealing with health and safety issues, the official said, between £3 and £9 was generated for the wider economy.”
Even on cursory reading, the most rabid left wing one eyed Trot’ would [maybe] be able to see that [above] as a complete crock.
No change at the Beeb then.
So how much of a loss does the Pilgrim who plans strike action make? or are we not counting that?
I was a keen union member for years. There is a place for them, though it is noticeable that their presence is now mainly in the unreformed public services.
When I became a boss I was happy to accept a constructive contribution from a union rep in matters where their involvement was appropriate.
But paid full time union reps on the payroll- never.
The belief that unions contribute as suggested is simply union fairy tale puff. Hardly surprising that Brown’s govt would support the unions that are the Labour party’s main source of income and policy direction, and the recipient of large sums of taxpayers money.
Having worked with them (in my case PCS) there was a time when consulting on complex change that their views and those of their members, often at many locations, were actually helpful and served management’s sonsultative needs – and all part of the checks and balances of fairness – and yes, in truth, it was often useful to have TU reps available to discuss matters with, hence why facility time had its place. Alas, over the past 7/8 years the relationship became increasingly fraught, idiotic, destructive and unrepresentative mainly driven by complete left wing ideology and not actually in the members’ interests. This overhaul is long overdue and the next step is to assess the number of staff the TUs actually represent…I suspect it has reached such a low level in Ministries of State (less than 20%) that de-recogntion could be considered. Membership of Civil Service unions is haemhorraging with the cutbacks and because of Serwotka and his acolytes – it is a shame for the genuine local TU reps that they will lose out – some management are total tossers be it public or private and should be held to account at times – PCS has been hoisted by its own petard and i for one have little sympathy.
Vote for me and I’ll give you money, food, and ‘stuff’ – as you common people call it!
Care to buy a windmill for your front lawn – if you can find room between the discarded fridges, prams, and washing machines?
DO THE DEED — BRUTUS BORIS. Knife Dave before next Ides of March.
Boris? He who wants an amnesty for illegals, Turkey in the EU and only yesterday released a video praising our aid budget! The albino panda is another Old Etonian twat!
Maybe — but he has the charisma and popular appeal to win in 2015 — whereas Dave and Nick are guaranteed losers, and we will end up with MilliBalls with a majority of 100 and then final economic collapse by 2018.
If only I had kept my stupid fat mouth shut.
It’s probably the only useful thing she’s ever done.
The only thing Serwotka is doing is protecting his own 6 figure salary and large pension. The BBC new the figures were from the labour government but deliberately ignored the fact, anything to attack the coalition.
The BBC is fully of liars.
knew
Remember when he took over as head of the union Serwotka said he would only take the average skilled wage as a salary !! Hypocrisy just doesn’t get anyway near describing the actions of this man.
A gentle reminder to all left wing trolls, our bugdget deficit is bigger than Greece’s and as yet there have been no overall cuts in public spending – it is still going up. And you still want to borrow and spend more.
We all have double doctorates in hypocrisy – it is a strict condition of being a member of our party. University of Salford and the LSE are our favoured universities.
For every £1 on full time Union Mafia there’s £9 on “risk assessments” or “awareness courses” purchased from their friends and relations or their own personal companies.
So the biased beeb perpetuating more leftwing lies. It is a completely discredited state broadcaster that can no longer justify it’s existence.
It needs opening up to competition and profit making and the license fee abolishing. Then let’s if it can survive in the real world.
No.
And again the FTSE is tanking rather nicely.
That’s bound to cheer up delegates at Conference,I think not.
Yes, a wopping 0.3% down. Man the lifeboats.
Take a look at the FTSE during your Dear Leader Brown’s magnificent reign for a better definition of ‘tanking’.
Another tory government.
Another total fucking shambles.
The shambles was left by Labour.
I do not expect you to know much about history in the archaic sense but THREE years ago should be in your recent memory. You fool.
Calm down dear, as the poor man does not know what real growth is as we have missed it for 17 years.
Gordon decided that an unregulated credit boom and printing money was the way to go when the usual tax and spend fiasco fell way short of requirements and left no alternative. Yeah, that’s clever.
Are you the kind of person who looks at the catastrophic results of unrestrained immigration and unrestrained state spending and then decides to blame Thatcher?
Can’t we fit Broadcasting House into that New Mexico Balloon Thingy Dougal?
By Dougal do you mean Boris ?
Coming down faster than the speed of sound and making a fantastic wallop as it lands on earth. But it must have all the BBC staff in it in order that we can initiate a new news service with built-in integrity.
I’ll remind you how to sort the Unions out.
A whopping truth.
I’m sure that all bloggers on here will join with me in wishing David Cameron a very happy birthday.
He’s 46 today,you know.
Here, here!! One wonders if the esteemed PR man receives a new silver spoon on each anniversarial commeroration of this special day…if not I should rather like to send him one…and a very well done in keeping Boris’s seat warm.
The BBC is a fucking disgrace!
My feet are killing me.
Not half as much as mine are.
The IMF has given the UK economy one of its biggest downgrades.
Let’s hear it for the UK economy now Conference.
This is remarkable news,hurrah.
I did tell ‘em.
‘failing to check this out’
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Happens a lot, it seems.
Maybe no one said anything?
Or complained?
You know how it can be on confirming facts and taking caution with partial sources when you only have £4 billion pounds and tens of thousands of staff.
They are the most trusted national treasure in the world, you know.
At least, I think that was what they told me.
True to form, Gordon’s diametrically opposite spin £1 in =£8 growth
proven reality…………………………………………………£8 in =£1 growth
When there was a scandal in the Catholic Church about child abuse the BBC were in the van to accuse and discredit. Don’t see quite the same zeal now that it’s in their backyard.
Why don’t we have a simple policy based on three strikes. A BBC editor who fails to check such basic facts gets a formal warning first time, final warning second time then is sacked. As it is the BBC often sounds like the Labour Party Press Office
True…finally weekend celebrated with unbelievable101 things to do in london
PC’s, phones get hacked to bugger by the media. But simple true facts are overlooked, on purpose or plain incompetence!
I think you will find that a study from the politics faculty of the Wolverhampton Community College has proved that figures from 2007 are superior to all other figures, and so the BBC has got it right in this case.
Good news about Chavez, eh.
When will the BBC stop insulting our intelligence.
There’s a lot of justified moaning about BBC bias. Moaning isn’t going to change it. Nor is the BBC complaints process. What practical course of action can be taken to get it changed?
No political party will touch it because they fear the backlash from the public at large who see the BBC in the same false light as the NHS.
So, instead of moaning, what should we do? Can we arrange a mass withholding of licence fees? Ideas Guido?
It shouldn’t be too difficult to manufacture tellys that can get Freeview programs minus BBC, and for which a licence was unnecessary. I would be glad to buy one.
What fun it would be watching the Beeb income and viewing figures drop.
They might even decide to start making watchable programmes again.