September 26th, 2012

Farron Struggles to Defend LibDem Tax Avoidance Scheme

24 hours after Danny Alexander warned tax avoiders “we are coming to get you”, LibDem President Tim Farron has unveiled the party’s new tax avoidance legacy scheme. Rich delegates were plied with red wine and chocolate gateaux in the Grand Hotel’s Empress suite as Farron and his team explained how wealthy donors could reduce their inheritance tax bills.

Following in the tax avoiding footsteps of Labour and the Tories, rich donors were told how “a gift in your will to the LibDems will be tax efficient as gifts to a recognised political party are deducted from your estate before inheritance tax is calculated“. Guido asked an uncomfortable Farron what he thought about his party encouraging members to avoid tax, but the party president attempted to shift the blame by holding his hands up and insisting “I didn’t put it together”. It was later emphasised to Guido that the scheme was “within the law”. It seems Danny Alexander’s promise does not extends to the after life…


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  1. 1
    He a twat says:

    See above

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      Tristram Smallbore-ffipps says:

      I have come across some manufactured bullshit in my time but this is poor even by Guido standards. Perhaps GF would like to apply the same arguments to bequests to charities since it is the same provision which is used. Really Guido, you should draw a distinction between manufactured tax avoidance scams and use of rules which, as far as I know, politicians of all persuasions intend to keep in place. Perhaps a little more focus on the use of Belize and various artificial front companies by Ashcroft would be a good place to start…….or don’t you have the stomach?

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        Sir William Waad says:

        You, sir, have never studied the tax system. If you expected to find there any fairness, morality, equity, common sense or humanity you would be sadly disappointed. It is no more than a rag-bag of arbitrary rules, ill-considered, badly expressed, unfair, confiscatory and vague, all backed up by the full coercive power of the state. It makes no sense to try to distinguish between moral and immoral tax avoidance when the system itself is so amoral, unjust and biassed towards the political elite.

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          Tristram Smallbore-ffipps says:

          Normally, Sir William, I have time for your comments – but this one is just self serving avoidance of the issue. Guido manufactures a story, then rapidly posts an unrelated fashion story when he realises this one raises uncomfortable questions. For years Guido has avoided the Ashcroft issues (including around the Carroll Foundation and the continuing clash with the Indie over political pay offs). This is like condemning littering when the Mafia have just broken into the BOE.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Shut the f up. You are really boring now and getting on my nerves..

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          • Tristram Smallbore-ffipps says:

            Turd infestation (or are you one of Ashcrofts Colombian friends?).

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          • Dr Nuts says:

            Oooh, yeah, yeah, do an Ashcroft story… please… please…
            … we just wanna see how many writs you get and how fast!

            You can put the whole court matter as whole new aspect to the blog, and flag it in Totty Watch as Sue! Sue!

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  2. 2
    Mark Oaten says:

    Oooh I wish Danny would come and get me!! Cheeky boy…

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      Handycock No1 Trougher in Parliament says:

      Hiya Mark, how are you. I hope they aren’t including rich Libdems like me in their tax avoidance schemes. I’m buggered if I am paying tax on the villa in Spain that my boys gave me. My boys have told me to tell Nick Clegg that if he comes after them for tax, that’s the end of political donations. I think as usual with all these political tax avoidance scares, it will disappear when reality dawns. Boaz.

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    annette curton says:

    Spells out in letters writ large that they (all our politicians) still believe in tax avoidance for themselves but not for others.

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      Learned Hand, J., US Court of App*eals for the 2nd Circuit says:

      “There is nothing sinister in so arranging one’s affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible.”

      Of course, the politicians don’t want the general plebs out there to do it, for where would the pol’s money come from, if YOU didn’t pay up? But it’s all right if THEY do it, as it’s all in a good cause, don’t you see?

      The technical legal term for their “moral” argument is “Bullshit.”

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        Tristram Smallbore-ffipps says:

        As usual those who quote (the great) Learned Hand do so selectively; in the same judgement he went on to say;
        “But the meaning of a sentence may be more than that of the separate words……..and no degree of particularity can ever obviate recourse to the setting in which all appear, and which all collectively create”.
        This simply means that artificial schemes can be found unlawful even if the words meet the strict criteria of the law as written. Learned Hand was not known as the 10th Justice of the Supreme Court without reason and he would never have produced such a banal judgement as that which is often ascribed to him.

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        • 42
          Learned Hand says:

          [*BUZZER*] Wrongo, buddy. You’re citing “Gregory,” which was about tax EVASION through the use of dummy corporations. The quote as written is a cite to my dissent in “Newman,” which was about the IRS trying to construe a tax regulation, to cover an ambiguous grant of a power in a trust for THEIR benefit, and not for the taxpayer’s. When in doubt, the tie goes to the runner, in baseball and cricket.

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          • Tristram Smallbore-ffipps says:

            Idiot. The whole thrust of Helvering v Gregory was to point out that what was claimed to be tax avoidance became tax evasion because the context of the words changes their meaning (ie you cannot rely on artificial schemes which counter the intent of the legislation even if they comply with the words). There cannot be a clearer view of Hand’s approach to the boundary between evasion and avoidance.

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  4. 4
    Labour lied to the Queen and are therefore guilty of treason says:

    This whole Queen/BBC/Hamza incident reinforces that Labour can never be trusted with power. Instead of protecting us, they were happy to allow this evil piece of shit to remain here so they could keep the public angry and fearful in order to muster support for their fascist ID cards scheme and plans for 60 days detention without charge. When even the Queen is concerned that someone is being allowed to remain here to denigrate her country, it shows you how untrustworthy and morally corrupt Labour are. They lied to the Queen that he couldn’t be arrested, when, as we know, he could have been. Jack Straw and the rest of the Labour rabble are an absolute fucking disgrace. No doubt, Harriet Harpic on tomorrow night’s Question Time will try and rewrite history as she usually does and make out they did want to get rid of him but couldn’t because of the weather or Thatcher or the easter bunny.

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      annette curton says:

      He could and should have been extradited to America years ago, instead the people of this country were subjected to the sight of Hamza preaching hate openly on the streets of London with police protection would you believe. It was the CPS that refused to allow any criminal proceedings to be taken against him no doubt after consulting Jack Straw. To compound matters the CPS then belatedly and hurriedly brought charges against him, the purpose of this seemed to be to prevent Hamza’s extradition to the U.S. No wonder her Majesty said (to paraphrase) How much longer are you going to allow this piece of shit to take the piss out of my subjects?.

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    • 17
      £7.5 billion Overseas Aid Budget Raided To Pay For Essential Flood Defences in the UK says:

      Just kidding. We have our priorities you know!

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    • 23
      Axel says:

      One reason they did not want to get rid of him at once was that he made an easy ‘intel access point’ on his own Hamza was a bit of a clown (though not one you’d want at a kids party), he did however collect other more dangerous and skilled fellow travellers. It was these that the spooks wanted to have a good look at, and Hamza was sloppy in his operational tradecraft which made it easier to get to these harder targets. There always a trade off point with this sort of thing and he use to the spooks was over pretty soon. so after that as you say more a political bogey man.

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    • 27
      Anonymous says:

      Yes, but little Jackie Straw was sufferibng from depression, didn’t you know.

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    Nemesis says:

    Off topic I know but I’ve just heard that the hooked twat Abu Hamza has launched ANOTHER plea to the High Court to stop his extradition!!!!!!. This country is run by fucking idiots – he should have been put on a plane the moment the EU court dismissed his case. But no, our stupid Home Office fiddle about making arrangements when it was obvious he would try again. I just despair. This foul bastard has cost us millions and is still trying it on.

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      A Nemo........ says:

      And after this legal challenge is rejected he will be allowed to launch another High Court delaying tactic & of course all at UK Tax Payers Expense. Nothing will change with the “ConsLieLaborLibDems Blood Brothers Alliance” in power they just don’t get it.
      Until they are all turfed out for good nothing will change except for the mendacity & manipulation of this unholy alliance who believe only they have been granted the divine right to run this country for ever, I know the time has now come for all of us Plebs to say “We are going to take our country back , we mean it & will achieve it …..

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        A Nemo........ says:

        A senior judge has just granted Hamza a temporary ban on his extradition to USA
        after he lodged his application to High Court today

        Just wonder if its connected to the Al Beeb story leaked yesterday,(wonder why?), regarding an alleged private conversation, SOME YEARS AGO by our Head of State on why Hamza was still free.

        Perhaps Guido will learn something more relating to this matter through his sources, its just to much of a co-incidence IMHO for Gardener to drop this into his live on air Al-Beed report as he was most certainly aware of the protocol as well as Al-Beeb running the story on its website. Al-Beeds royal reporter from some time back, Michael Cole, was eased out of the corporation for reporting a private conversation as well.

        There are many questions for the Biased Broadcasting Company to answer although our Glorious Leader will not be calling for them to be answered. Hopefully his PR smoke & mirrors stint on Letterman tonight will all back fire in his face

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        Anonymous says:

        I thought that he took his case to the ECHR because he had exhausted the trial and appeal procedures here.

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      Human Rights Lawyer says:

      We have friends in very high places and hope to extend the fees gravytrain for some time longer.

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        Notareargunner says:

        Andy Miller was murdered by a Corporation that is an emanation of the British State. He is really British, a veteran and apart from a speeding ticket has never knowingly committed an offence. Can the family get his killers into a Court? Not a chance in legal Hell. Yet this bag of immigrant shit has half the world portraying him as a victim??? True victims died in the London Underground or the Iraqi and Afghan killing fields, training targets for Captain Hook and the Lieber parasites who act as surrogate guardians. Universal conceit is being abetted by political cowardice. Hook rants whilst police and politicians listen to the muffled screams if English children abused by their indifference.
        Apart from that, Cromwell would have had the Army in Westminster long before now.

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      • 32
        Anonymous says:

        Hamza & his legal squad should be told that the ECHR has precedence over our courts & he will have to fund this & any further court action from his own resources.

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    Bluebottle says:

    When I die I hope to be bankrupt .

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    nellnewman says:

    Is that libdem conference thingy still going on? It doesn’t seem to have produced anything worthwhile other than to establish that bumbling vince is planning on being next leader, winning the next election in coalition with labour and becoming the next chancellor of the exchequer.

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    Plato says:

    So, this Zero Base Policy. How does it work, then?

    We say: ‘what if we didn’t pay for any hospitals, or doctors – that’d be cheaper’?

    Then we say ‘oh no, ‘cos we need hospitals and doctors’.

    Then we say: ‘oh right, so we’d better carry on as we are’.

    Takes about one minute. Is that how it works?

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    Terrible But True says:

    Seems our political estate, and their fellow tribal travellers in the ‘holding power to account (when it suits)’ media, are notable mainly for their standards.

    Well, at least two of them.

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    Sir William Waad says:

    So, if you don’t leave your money to LibDems, 40% of it will be confiscated and given to rich politicos in third-world countries. If you do leave it to the LibDems, 100% of it will be given to rich politicos in this country. A difficult choice.

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    One Death One Vote says:

    The most pernicious effect of these legacies is that old duffers can tell their local party that they will be leaving a legacy and then spend the next couple of decades having a disproportionate influence on policy and appointments while everyone tries to keep them sweet in order to get the dosh when they die. Telling the local party you are leaving them property is like having a veto over everything they do in some constituencies.

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    • 36
      Anonymous says:

      Yeah,reminds me of the cash for peerages scheme.

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      • 37
        Dr Nuts says:

        Cash for Peerages: it’s outrageous that the Labour Party listened to Conservative Policies and enacted them for 10 years, but they imitated Conservative funding as well!!

        Err, what am I supposed to be outraged by? Labour, Conservative and Liberal financial patronage schemes? or I don’t have the spare dosh for a knighthood?

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    Anonymous says:

    What Danny doesn’t realise (or maybe he does all too well) is that all tax avoidance schemes are, in his words, “within the law.”

    Tax evasion, on the other hand….. but his party seems more interested in outlawing perfectly legal schemes – unless the beneficiary is the LibDems.

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  13. 33
    Jimmy says:

    So basically Farron doesn’t understand this stuff any more than you do.

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    UKIP convert says:

    Cleggy has just announced that Lord Paddy is going to lead their 2015 election campaign…….wonder if he will be able keep his zipper up at all times !!!
    could be an interesting election……

    VOTE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>U K I P>>>>>>>> U K I P

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    Trust me I'm so so sorry says:

    As long as the Lib Dems accept the tax efficient donations in good faith it’s no worse than receiving stolen money from someone (like Michael Brown for example).

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