September 24th, 2012

Breaking: Police Leak Full Mitchell Incident Report

The Telegraph has been handed the whole police report from the Mitchell incident:

Whilst on duty at *** tonight (Wed 19th Sept) on a 1400-2200 hrs between the hours of 1800-2000 I had to deal with a man claiming to be the chief whip and who I later confirmed to be such and a Mr Andrew MITCHELL.

Mr Mitchell was speaking to PC ******** demanding exit through the main vehicle gate into Whitehall. PC ******** explained to Mr MITCHELL that the policy was for pedal cycles to use the side pedestrian exit. Mr MITCHELL refused, stating he was the chief whip and he always used the main gates.

I explained to Mr MITCHELL that the policy was to use the side pedestrian gates and that I was happy to open those for him, but that no officer present would be opening the main gates as this was the policy we were directed to follow.

Mr MITCHELL refused. Repeatedly reiterating he was the chief whip. My exact explanation to Mr MITCHELL was “I am more than happy to open the side pedestrian gate for you Sir, but it is policy that we are not to allow cycles through the main vehicle entrance”.

After several refusals Mr MITCHELL got off his bike and walked to the pedestrian gate with me after I again offered to open that for him.

There were several members of public present as is the norm opposite the pedestrian gate and as we neared it, Mr MITCHELL said: “Best you learn your f—— place…you don’t run this f—— government…You’re f—— plebs.” The members of public looked visibly shocked and I was somewhat taken aback by the language used and the view expressed by a senior government official. I can not say if this statement was aimed at me individually, or the officers present or the police service as a whole.

I warned Mr MITCHELL that he should not swear, and if he continued to do so I would have no option but to arrest him under the Public Order Act, saying “Please don’t swear at me Sir. If you continue to I will have no option but to arrest you under the public order act”.

Mr MITCHELL was then silent and left saying “you haven’t heard the last of this” as he cycled off.

I forward this to you as all officers were extremely polite to Mr MITCHELL, but such behaviour and verbal expressions could lead to the unfortunate situation of officers being left no option but to exercise their powers.

I write this for your information as Mr Mitchell’s last comments would appear to indicate that he is unhappy with my actions.

I have recorded this fully in my pocket book.

Well that is certainly more detailed than Mitchell’s side of the story. The version that the Prime Minister claims to believe…


  1. 1
    Kebab Time says:

    One for Leveson?

    But hang on, are we pro police this week or anti police, am getting confused ..

    Oh and Romney shows his green credentials >

  2. 2
    gerrydorrian66 says:

    We know the game with the government now – a load of fascist Bullingdon boys!

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    JohnRS says:

    So the unsupported word of the police officer (who may well get into all sorts of strife with his boss for acting the prat with a senior politician who’s in a strop) is more believable than the unsupported word of the Chief Whip (who may well get into all sorts of strife with his boss for acting the prat with an anti-gummint police officer).

    This is “real handbags at dawn” stuff and ought to be dropped as a news item.

    Unlike the leak which is a whole new problem for the police.

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    Ooooh Matron! says:

    The police are becoming increasingly like the gay fops from the Monty Python sketch.

    Howwid rude words!

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    cheche says:

    why are the police leaking?

    mistake makes the copper sound like a real jobs worth

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    cheche says:

    sounds a bit too literate to be written by a policeman

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    JohnRS says:

    “I believe the Chief Whip is an alien. I have written this in my pocket book”

    Which presumably makes every word of it the absolute truth.

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    Only in the Graun says:

    I believe it.

    Mitchell is an odious, strutting little prick.

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    Fish says:

    I bet the BBC don’t know which tail to wag…that they think they’ve got a Tory or that the police have been leaking stuff to News International

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    Tony Cameron says:

    Oh, well… that’s John, er Andrew.

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    jgm2 says:

    Presumably Mitchell was in the habit of entering and exiting with his bike (either by the main gate or the pedestrian gate) and everybody knew what the score was.

    So what changed?

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    YorkshireLad says:

    What was a little local difficulty with no small amount of embarassment for HMG is quickly becoming death by a thousand cuts. Good, innit?

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    a squid eating dough in a polyethelene bag says:

    presumably you would prefer the person guarding the physical access to the administration to be an illiterate ?

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    YorkshireLad says:

    That describes most of the government, don’t you think?

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    Mad Mitch says:

    If it falls to me to start a fight to cut out the cancer of bent and twisted journalism in our country with the simple sword of truth and the trusty shield of British fair play, so be it. I am ready for the fight

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    Amnesiac says:

    Remind me – what does “verballed” mean?

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    jgm2 says:

    Hold on.

    Now ‘The Telegraph’ have the full transcript. And ‘The Sun’. Aren’t they supposed to be rivals?

    Is this some journalist pissing contest to show the rest of Fleet Street that they too have their ‘sources’ inside the police?

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    Please stop it says:

    Kebab Time – stop with the constant references to your own website. You diminish your own efforts by the constant attempts to divert traffic to yourself. It is a bit pathetic.

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    Boring zzzz zzzz zzzz says:

    Just another media wankfest over a trivial none story of no importance whatsoever.

    Who fucking cares???

  20. 20
    Amnesiac says:

    You mean, we get a choice?

  21. 21
    Amnesiac says:

    Yes, he is an MP.

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    cheche says:

    I mean I dont assume he just stood there and jotted down this prose himself

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    Anonymous says:

    Police leaks should result in police firings. And Mitchell should go too.

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    Keith says:

    So use of the word “fuck” in a public place now leaves the police with no option but to make an arrest, does it? Or is that only when they want to put some irate member of the public in his place?

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    Kebab Time says:

    No-one is forced to click on it.

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    jgm2 says:

    Or is that only when they want to put some irate member of the public in his place?


    ‘His place’ being to do exactly as he’s fucking well told by the police.

    And to think the Maximum Imbecile wanted us all to carry ID cards. Can you imagine how intolerable the fuckers would be if they could demand ID cards at will?

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    Harry Hawk says:

    Is this simply not a case of a senior politician, newly appointed as such, wanted to pose and ride his bike through the gates so everyone there knew he was important, cos nobody knew who he was. He was thwarted by a copper who wa simply doing as he was told, knowing he would have got a rollocking if he had opened the main gate against standing policy? Said Politician being thwarted in his efforts to pose lost it, and another copper,less high mionded decided to go public to cause maximum embarrasment to the Government as they are giving the Polioce a hard time at the moment. Thats all there is to it, now move on.

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    LeagleBeagle says:

    Well, the policeman or woman has the law wrong.

    Swearing at police is not a crime because officers hear foul language “too frequently” to be offended, a judge has ruled.

    Appeal court decision

  29. 29
    The cunt of Monte Cristo says:

    Who would believe A) Andrew Mitchell or B) The Metropolitan Police?

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    Anonymous says:

    Story now isn’t what Mitchell did or did not say, but who leaked the offical Police Log for entry to and from Downing Street. As the log can only have been leaked by a very limited number of people we can expect the guilty party to be uncovered and charged.

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    jgm2 says:


    One is an MP and the other is… well… the police.

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    A Simpleton says:

    I place great store in the integrity of both Mr Mitchell, and of the Metropolitan Police……but I am a bit simple

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    jgm2 says:

    It’ll turn out to be a fake. ‘The Sun’ and ‘The Telegraph’ will have been taken to the cleaners by some hoaxer.

    Although in ‘The Sun’s case they’ll probably have bounced the cheque or promised payment at a later stage which they’ll then renege on.

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    jgm2 says:

    It means you clicked on the link to his blog.

    Don’t do that – it only encourages him.

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    Tooth fairy says:

    Members of the public present eh…. wonder if Plod took names and addresses of those that were offended? Could get interesting.

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    He doesn't affect voters Nad? Well I think you may be just a little naive says:

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    Blowing Whistles says:

    Notice how the pig also surreptitiously mentions that members of the public were there …. di dums.

    Notice the Capitalisation of MITCHELL.

    Notice the pig said its policy – yet Mitchell in the statement is know to have used the bigger gate.

    Contradiction after contradiction.

    The Copper – is a R-O-B-O-T-I-C M-O-R-O-N -It’s how pigs are Indoctrinated these days.

    Night night – keep em ‘Peeled’!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Jim says:

    In your dreams.

    Mitchell is toast and you most probably know it.

    Would it be so bad to rid the Conservative party of a police hater?

    Dave has made a big mistake over this and that is the real problem.

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    Troll watch says:

    Can’t understand why Guido does not Ban you B1lly Keb@b

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    Anonymous says:

    And the language of that police statement reads just as if it were written by an ordinary policeman without any extraneous input. Having said that, Mitchell is a politician, thereore a tw*t

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    So by that fuckwitted logic... says:

    Courts too hear foul and abusive language all the time in the course of hearing evidence so does that mean we can call the judge an old fucking c unt and get away with it ?

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    Personnel managers around the country says:

    The T*ries have no respect for us.


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    I Squiggle says:

    With the attention on this bloke, I’m surprised more has not been focused on his military claims. He purports on various websites – and gets repeated in the press – to be a ‘former army officer’ and (laughably) a UN Peacekeeper’. The facts are more mundane. In 1977 he joined the Royal Tank Regiment on a ‘Short Service Limited Commission’. This was a short lived ruse to try and get Oxbridge graduates to join up. In the gap after they typically sat their Oxbridge entrance in the winter following their ‘A’ Levels, and went up the following autumn, they could join the Army, in the hope that they would sign up for a career after graduating (he didn’t). An SSLC involved a couple of (gentle) weeks at Sandhurst, followed by only 7 or so months with a regiment which would be under pressure to get them on a ‘jolly’. At that time the best one was the UK’s UN role in Cyprus, euphemistically known as the ‘Long Waterskiing Course’. Sarajevo it was not. The idea he would have been given significant command of anything more that a beach ball is ridiculous, and that in a mission that normally presented danger only to your liver.

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    jgm2 says:

    Aye. I’ll bet all those Chinese and Italian tourists were proper offended.

  46. 46
    jgm2 says:

    we can call the judge an old fucking c unt

    They are though. And pompous old c*unts too.

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    Britain - the ruined country says:

    Definately like fish – has been kept going too long now and stinks, plod are making themselves look unfit to do the job, what job you ask? Opening and closing the gates presumably.

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    jgm2 says:

    A proper Walt.

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    Archbishop Desmond Tutu says:

    Policeman just doing his job – warning his boss that some stroppy git who happens to be a cabinet minister
    1) Might cause some trouble because of the incident on that day and

    2) By warning his superiors of Stroppy Git’s behaviour allowing them to fasttrack it up the food chain to stop a worse occasion in future. Eg Policeman’s boss to warn Downing Street that the Stroppy Git was being stroppy and might have to be locked up/cautioned if his behaviour got worse next time. Enabling Downing Street to bollock the Stroppy Git for being such a pillock.

    Well done Plod!

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    jgm2 says:

    Opening and closing the gates when ordered by government ministers is what they are paid to do.

    They might think they’re on some high level security detail. But essentially they’re in charge of opening and closing the gate.

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    David Cameron. says:

    No no no, the police are lying. They are fucking moronic plebeian liars who do not realise their place, they do not run this fucking government and they have not heard the last of this.

  52. 52
    So by that fuckwitted logic... says:

    Recent case law is a fucking joke as the lawyers and judges have succesfully argued our legal system right up its own fucking arse. Shower of twits .

  53. 53
    Mitchell is guilty as a puppy sitting next to a pile of poo says:

    Reasons to agree with the police report

    1) The police wrote it (even if the police are lefties they wouldn’t be so idiotic to make this up against a senior parliamantarian).

    2) Mitchell has form, Many journalist and associates report on his colourful language and extreme short fuse.

    3) Cameron’s backed him, a cast iron guarantee of guilt.

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    Facts Dear Boy says:

    Except they are the diplomatic protection squad and carefully selected.

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    Jeffrey Archer says:


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    Weygand says:

    Why haven’t we heard from any of the members of the public reported to have overheard the conversation?

  57. 57
    jgm2 says:

    Carefully selected to shag postie Johnson’s missus?

  58. 58
    Anonymous says:

    if security is not a big issue at the gate, I don’t know what is.
    mitchell has forgotton this.

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    He said vs He said, when in doubt says:

    Indeed that is the clincher,” Camerons Judgement ” a sure indication that the opposite viewpoint is correct.

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    Mitchell is guilty as a puppy sitting next to a pile of poo says:

    They’re all swimming with the fishes.

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    Mitchpleb says:

    So the met should call cameron’s bluff and suspend the two officers as it is clear mp’s don’t lie.
    . Either they are lying or mitchpleb.
    It is clear that 2 officers making declared statements in the numbered page warrant books v mitchpleb who can’t seem to remember how to lace his shoes so wears slip ons.
    What exactly was in it for the 2 officers absolutely nothing.
    The whole of Britain knows whose lying and it’s mitchpleb

  62. 62
    Quiet Life says:

    Would YOU want drawn into all this and have the media scum camped outside your front door, not fucking likely mate.

  63. 63
    jgm2 says:

    Well obviously they’ll have to shut the gate after him. That’s what they’re there for.

  64. 64
    jgm2 says:

    What exactly was in it for the 2 officers absolutely nothing.

    Well, apart from keeping their cushy jobs opening and closing gates instead of being assigned foot patrol around some of London’s more culturally enriched neighbourhoods.

  65. 65
    Whats there to doubt here ? says:

    So lets think about what we do know for sure, Mitchel admits to being disrespectful to the Police and to have used inappropriate foul language, when asked outright if he used the word pleb he refused to give a simple yes or no answer and refuses to actually tell us what he actually “said”. The Police on the other hand have a detailed log of what was said so…….

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    Well it's a thought says:

    It’s not the crap that’s hitting the fan now, it’s the crap that will fall onto plod later that is the worry, the inept politician’s didn’t climb the greasy pole just to be knocked down by a pleb.

  67. 67
    Anonymous says:

    So the officer can remember everything he and Andrew Mitchell said word perfectly but can’t remember whether it happened at 6pm, 7pm or 8pm?

  68. 68
    Anon Hacked off Voter !! says:

    Is it re-assuring to see that “Call Me Dithering Duplicitous Dave” is behaving more like a headless chicken than The Prime Minister of UK. No wonder he & his Government of Tory Toffs are being ridiculed by the media. I bet Nigel Farage cannot believe his luck with more disillusioned voters moving to UKIP with this unmitigated continuing disaster that these clever superior Toffs are experts at pouring more fuel oil on this story at every opportunity.

  69. 69
    Laughed my Bollocks off says:

    How to slowly coerce a BBC lefty luvvie out of their politically correct fantasy land.
    Courtesy of Dutch Comedian Mr Hans Teeuwen.

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    jgm2 says:

    but can’t remember whether it happened at 6pm, 7pm or 8pm



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    Whats there to doubt here ? says:

    Exactly, we are NOT being given two version of events but only one , that of the Police since Mitchell is refusing to give us an alternative version. On top of that he has admitted being disrespectful and to choice language and has apologised, . He should resign, its a no brainer.

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    P C PLEB says:

    Here here ! Surprised Guido hasn’t fucked him off !

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    jgm2 says:

    Being ‘disrespectful’ to the police? Who do they think they are? Bl*cks or Muslims or something?

    ‘You disrespecting me bro..?’

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    Martin A says:

    Well BLOWING WHISTLES, it’s standard police procedure to put proper names and places in capitals. It’s always been done that way to forcibly improve contemporaneous note taking.

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    Leek Kinnochio Multipensions plc says:

    exactly unless it was a bike that he had not ridden before donated by Dave ( the one he used to pretend to ride when pitching for Government).

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    Disillusioned says:

    If Cameron doesn’t kick Mitchell out of the government he’s adding to the list of marks against him, and votes not cast for his party, at the next election.

    Lots of blindly loyal to Camoron smokescreening on this blog won’t change that. I’d ask for more intelligent government but I gave up on that a long time ago, when Cameron started his catalogue of shambolic ill thought out policies and u-turns.

    If the parliamentary party doesn’t do something about Cameron I hope a lot of them have post election employment plans in place as they’re going to need them.

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    Where did you get the money to buy your house Tessa says:

    Tessa Jowel currently on SKY news talking about mortgages FFS ‘!

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    Laudamus Ludum says:

    Ah, how well I remember the Silver Jubilee and the policeman who decided I was standing in the wrong place said “Don’t be a c*unt all your life, take a day off”.
    What a warm welcome to the capital.

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    Whats there to doubt here ? says:

    That was Mitchells phrase please try and keep up.

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    If the police had reason to believe that any member of the public (some of whom were conveniently present) were, or even just *may* have been ‘distressed’ by Mitchell’s words, then yes, arrest was an option. As we learned a few months back, police can’t use the excuse that they themselves felt distressed because they’re supposed to be used to such language.

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    P C PLEB says:

    Lots of MP’s texting Journo’s saying that the police are not the only ones to be verbally abused by Mitchell who they describe as “A thoroughly unpleasant individual”
    Yet again Cameron shows just what a spineless twat he really is and how weak he has become as leader of the party

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    jgm2 says:

    Lots of MP’s texting Journo’s…

    Labour MPs don’t count.

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    Anything for a quiet life says:

    + 1

    Probably the same reason the constables involved have not complained.

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    Stand by me. says:

    Coulson, Spelman, Mitchell…is there a pattern here ?

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    T.B£iar - the People's Messiah says:

    Oh, I say….

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    Well it's a thought says:

    Don’t think the problem is who’s version of the event is true, one side is telling a lie and that’s where the problem is, some tosser is lieing.

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    jgm2 says:

    Then Mitchell was obviously taking the piss.


    Tee hee.

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    Bloody Hell says:

    So Cameron would have read this report before he stood by Mitchell.

    This can only mean that Camerom believes his police protection squad are liars.

    This is serious stuff.

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    Metplod (retired) says:

    Because they are dishonest.

    How can we then trust their log?

    You cannot

    Why cannot I trust the police log?

    Because they are dishonest.

    Continued on an endless loop to PAGE 94,

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    Fuckwitted case law exposed says:

    So are judges but you try calling one of them a c unt and see what happens.

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    annette curton says:

    Ha,Ha,Ha,ha!, a £350,000 deposit would help but we can’t all get a cash lump sum from Mr Berlusconi for services rendered (nudge , nudge , wink, wink).

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    privatise the gate openers says:

    why havent G4S been given the contract to open and shut the gate?

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    Oh well if it’s POLICY then that’s it, I mean where would we be without POLICY? Thank fuck Moses came down from the mountain with all that POLICY otherwise no one would know what to do.

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    Whats there to doubt here ? says:

    No we have only been given one account which has elicited an apology from Mitchell who refuses to provide us with an alternative version. Its a no brainer.

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    jgm2 says:

    No. At least one side is lying.

    It’s only two weeks since we find that over one hundred police statements were altered to make it appear as though the police were blameless over Hillsborough and now we’re suddenly expected to believe that anything that goes in a police notebook is gospel?

    As it happens I do believe the police.

    Mitchell’s mistake was to give plod any warning.

    Just bide his time and then put in a word in the right place and have ‘em on foot patrol in Hackney.

    That’s the way to do it.

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    I hate that crooked money-laundering bitch.

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    Stand by me. says:

    And a video of John Prescott has a bearing on Camerons judgement how exactly ?

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    annette curton says:

    Mr Cameron will be quite safe as long as he agrees to wheel his bicycle out from the designated exit.

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    Leek Kinnochio Multipensions plc says:

    “In 2009, Andrew Mitchell won the top prize among Parliamentarians for the Westminster Dog of the Year Award, for his dog Molly. Judges said that Molly, a seven-year-old Welsh Springer Spaniel, had an “excellent condition and temperament”,….pity the owner did not follow dogs example.

    “most claims made by Mitchell were for office expenses, but there was criticism of him among some of the British media, which reported that he had made a number of small claims for items such as a ‘stick of glue’ (reportedly costing 45p), and other items”……pleb.

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    jgm2 says:

    Well, to be fair, he’s only a week or so after reading that over 100 police statements were altered at Hillsborough to try and divert the blame onto innocent victims.

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    What Cameron should have said... says:

    ‘Andrew will be Andrew’

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    Our Host is a Wimp. Only Six Sherrys? says:

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    out now says:

    Mitchell should be sacked.
    Long past time standards returned to public life.

    Laws should be re-sacked too. Conman.

    Let each and every time these turds step out of line be the last day they remain in their public funded jobs.
    Fuck them. No sympathy.

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    Jack Reagan says:

    Disgusting . . .

    Call themselves Met officers? In my day the snivelling little pleb of a politician would have been stitched up good and proper with a happy bag – and a dozen witnesses would have seen the fecker go across the pavement towards the bank armed with a set of nostrils, a la Peter Hain.

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    I'll show you gate says:

    They should have shut the gate to the cell behind the pompous twat.

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    Now, though, they (the media and Labour really) are trying to get Mitchell not on the basis that he said anything inherently unpleasant to a policeman, but for denying that he said something the policeman says he did. ‘PC Plod’ would have done the job…

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    R U 4 Real? says:

    Errm. To be fair Cameron would have been fully briefed on his current protection squad’s statements and he would not have confused them with the Hillsborough report on events 23 years ago.

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    A Cinnamon Club member says:

    Our sherry is served in pint mugs, if I remember rightly. Can’t remember much these days, though.

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    Blind obedience watch says:

    You are Andrew Mitchell and I claim my £5

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    annette curton says:

    Double barrelled snot gun?.

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    WVM says:


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    Our Host is a Wimp. Only Six Sherrys? says:

    Ah well that’s different then. I will excuse him for not remembering six pints of sherry over dinner. How come he is still alive?

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    Whats there to doubt here says:

    Other than a mealy mouthed weasle worded phrase straight out a Lawyers lexicon we have no solid alternative version from Mitchell and the reason for that is ?

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    jgm2 says:


    So 23 years ago the police would collude in massive numbers to cover their own arse. But that simply wouldn’t happen today.


    Cameron’s mistake was to think that plod would just suck it up, accept the apology and that would be the end of it. he’d obviously forgotten that, for the right money, the Met police files are an open book.

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    Well it's a thought says:

    He has his note book so the time will be written down, otherwise blah blah blah lies blah blah.

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    Leek Kinnochio Top TopTop Salary Multipensions says:

    Where is Dave? Updating his CV?

    Watching this charade with subtitles and The Thick of It on iplayer with the sound on is thoroughly recommended, Dave.

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    Dave says:

    Calm Down Dear

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    jgm2 says:

    the reason for that is ?

    He’s apologised. What more do you want?

    You want everybody who swears within earshot of a policeman to lose their jobs?

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    Well it's a thought says:

    Sorry sir.

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    MB. says:

    Yet more confidential Metropolitan Police documents leaked or sold to the media. That to me is far more important that one person losing his temper.

    If there were so many members of the public in the area then it is very strange that we have not seen any of them coming forward.

    Two police officers giving the same story often just means they wrote them up together

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    Dave says:

    My gate police are not Butch enough. The fact that Andrew Mitchell is still alive is proof of that.

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    Whats there to doubt here says:

    He doesnt loose his fucking Job he just get re assigned. MPs never loose their fucking jobs when they resign

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    What ever happened to jgm1 ? says:

    jgm2 is full of contradictions tonight, or else he is simply trolling.

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    Liar pants on Fire says:

    No he hasn’t apologised. All he has said is that the cops are liars and he is sorry that they are upset.

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    Whats there to doubt here ? says:

    A “story”that has elicited an apology from Mitchell and also the absence of a solid alternative version from Mitchell himself. And your point is ?

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    jgm2 says:

    Ooooh. One of those sorts of apologies.

    ‘I’m sorry that anybody would think I was a total c*unt for doubling income tax on the poorest’ kind of apologies.

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    Jimmy says:

    He’s a Tory MP for heaven’s sake. How is this news?

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    jgm2 says:

    If this were a Labour MP you’d be swooning about ‘The Sun’ or Guido ‘hacking’ the Met computer or obtaining police statements illegally or some other diversionary tactic.

    And you know it.

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    Ronald Kray says:

    See, in my day we took care of the rozzers– OK, so one of ‘em might be a bit pushy at times, whevver ‘coz ‘e was some sorta Boy Scout and didn’t know how the game was supposed to be played, or ‘e was lookin’ for a bit more than was on offer; a word put about, to certain superiors of ‘is, whom me and me bruvva ‘ad “cultivated,” ya might want to call it, sorted ‘im out, in no time flat, and we’d ‘ave no more ‘assle from ‘im. Unless the bugger was real fick, in which case he got transferred, or ‘e met wiff an unfortunate accident, one or the uvver. ‘At’s wot that Mitchell bloke shoulda done. The moral of the story, boys and girls, it’s always a good idea to make friends wiff a copper’s guv, ya never know when you might need ‘im to straighten fings out for ya.

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    English Heretic says:

    The Telegraph is not News International – yet.

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    Dave's minder. says:

    Whatever you say jgm dear. Now go to bed, there’s a good fellow.

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    Rupert my Hero says:

    Dave is consistently showing poor judgement by backing Lame Ducks..with the mud starting to stick .. Loyalty is one thing but common sense is quite another matter.

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    Rupert my Hero says:

    If this seems to be the Governments way of doing things, why get upset when they are emulated.

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    Jimmy says:

    Don’t be silly. That’s a link to the Daily Hitler.

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    Anonymous says:

    G4U, if you want to gamble away your security.

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    The Plot Thickens says:

    Turns out Mitchell was pissed out of his skull. He had a long dinner time session in a curry house that dragged on into the late afternoon.

    Little wonder the cops are not complainining as they should have arrested him for being drunk on a pushbike.

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    Anonymous says:

    Yes but I note that you do not deny that it is still demeaning and pathetic

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    Bob R says:

    Not so. The Harvey case was a CPS cock-up. The prosecution didn’t adduce evidence of the officers’ distress (or, if they did, the magistrates’ stated case didn’t mention it). Absent such evidence, the officers’ distress cannot (as a point of law) be inferred. (in particullar, paras. 13 &14.)

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    What does Dave actually stand for? says:


  145. 145
    Window Licker says:

    Jgm2 is also full of shit tonight.

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    Bob R says:

    Not so; see my post 141 above.

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    Dr Nuts says:

    The problem it’s the country that’s being killed because HMG are clueless and policy-lite, except trying to cut every service that the Public Sector provides, and/or reduce the quality of service provided by the publice sector by forcing anyone who is competent to go to the private sector to get a decent pay-packet.

    The only decent pay left is for the ‘patriarchs’ and their mates.

    We need R&D to develop a new public manufacture sector based on patents – so the first cut (the easiest) research grants!! When everywhere else (Europe, Asia, America – North and South) and Australia are desperately trying hard to develop their advanced technologies to grow their economies, this Government is trying desperately hard to exterminate ours. And before anyone jumps on the bandwagon and argue Labour will do better, they are just as bad, if not worse.

    Britain had a Mechatronics Faculty in several universities. Gone by 2000!! Greens are just as bad BTW. No party politician has a clue – just ideology based on theory without the first iota of reality!

    Just so you know how bad the problem is – it is recognised that there is an education gap between the average person and Researchers, which can be as great as 60 years difference – that is you’ll understand in 60 years time what I know now. Germany fortunately have Angela Merkal – a research chemist, so understands the problem and is trying to rectify it. The result – when she does Germany will have an industrial advantage akin to the start of a second industrial revolution!!

    IF there was ever a need for a new party – now is the time, the constituent members being Scientists and Engineers – who understand the problems this country face and can provide the solutions. Not ‘professional politicians’.

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    Expedite says:

    Can’t understand why the Home office did not deport the ABU’S last night.

    The longer they leave it the more likely it is that their UK taxpayer funded lawers will exploit yet another loophole in in our flawed laws.

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    Biased BBC says:

    Hitler, surely not he was a socialist after all Jimmy.

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    not a machine reloaded says:

    As a number of bloggers have posted , it is causing a huge ammount of damage , and comming back on the PM as a matter of disregard for the facts , hence tonights evidence notes in the press, upping the anty on him . Why oh why wasnt the decision made , establish the facts (noting record now shows members of the public were within hearing and witness let alone the miriad of survelliance cameras) , and become tea boy for the police for 4 sat night shifts in Nottingham , as an genuine appology . Besides soon work out we need to spend less on overseas aid and more on justice and education and reducing immigration , might have been that damacean moment for his political fortunes .

    Not sure about investment bank , as seems not to make any profit or do anything with revenues which must only deprive other banks . That said I could some benefit in determining infrastructure spending better , i picked up that HS1 had cost an additional £1.6 bn in losses compared to projections , so if its stuffed with the types that want to blow money like HS2 and manufacture more white elephants , ie unsound projects , its not exactly infrastructure investment , more potential extended tax payer liabilities .

    Enjoyed Stephanie Flanders look at Hyak (masters of money) , found it balanced and looked at the essence of the theory , although competeing currencies was difficult to get around in practice . Although rather like Keynes ,Hyak perhaps doesnt explain how this ecnomic crisis came about properly , both men talked about ecnomics in measured exchange of goods and services , not bets on bundles of unkown debts and so much interbank activity and other weird financial instruments .Sir Mervyn Kings comment on not being able to measure the economy properly was most interesting, although he didnt expand on any multiplier effect into other parts of the economy , the lack of measure may have caused or even procured . Next week its on Karl Marx mmm Ed will be aroused an all butch. The trouble with Marx is so many people have died in imposing its corrupt versions , it never has made a eutopian example that worked , without having to make everyone dumber for the rule elites perfect world .

    I am sure intellectual types pick up Das Kapital and go mmm what a spledid idea , the trouble is so do the crooks of this world , a better system and intellectual position (even if deluded of what happens to those not in the progress/pravda headlines) of channeling state wealth for violent elites has not been bettered yet .Nice idea but just goes toxic everytime its tried as suffers from despotic infallibity , really are a pleb in that system . Wonder if Mitchel is a communist ….. spindaloo , spindaloo , spindaloo tra laaaa

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    not a machine reloaded says:

    er hot off the press :) traa laa

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    not a machine reloaded says:

    The Daily Hitler ….. special ecnomics feature “I have ended boom and bust”

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    not a machine reloaded says:

    It was a posh curry house , proebely served wine , cant possibly be constrewed as loutish

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    Trigger says:

    As swearing at the police is not an offence, then what the fuck is this load of old tosh about?

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    Archie says:

    Let’s hear from some of those bystanders who were “visibly shocked”, or have they all gone back to America?

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    not a machine reloaded says:

    Theres an interesting quiz question for night owls , what was name of Jack Reagans sidekick on the Sweeney or his boss …. answers on a postcard please to
    Guido Fakwes met history quiz
    c/o The Bow Street Runners

    Winner will recieve a proper weeks treatment in a Victoria cell and a prison routine involving rock breaking and the crank

  157. 157
    not a machine reloaded says:

    Were the richard and mark cartoons drawn at that time …….

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    @jgm2 Salient extract of my complaint to Sue Inglish at the BBC previously referred to – dated 17 May 2005

    Mr Galloway, are you proud of having got rid of one of the very few black women in Parliament? Paxman

    Jeremy Paxman’s opening question was an insult to women, black people and democracy. …

    Is he trying to suggest that being a woman and being black are both reasons why Oona King should enjoy privileged position against any other comers? Surely not. … The question contains an unacceptable presupposition so it has a bias which in the BBC is unacceptable. I am surprised that you do not appear to recognise that.

    An electorate of largely coloured people voted against an able young coloured woman in favour of a grumpy, white, balding, middle-aged man with a tashe. Oops!

    Had Oona King been an independent MP or one from a minority party I suggest the question would not have been asked

    No, I regret to say that this is one of the very few instances in which the awful Galloway has been right! Your statement has simply compounded the BBC’s wrong and institutionalised its apparent disregard for truth. He HAD just been elected and that question would have been more fairly directed at those who had voted for him. They may be wrong, all of them! But we live in a democracy and they are entitled to be wrong.

    If the BBC had any rigour, someone would by now have invited Galloway to produce evidence that he had contacted the US Administration last year as he claims. This especially after Senator Norm Coleman’s claim that they had received no contact ‘by any means …’ Had Galloway done so he would have surely retained some record of it, being as self-described, “the most scrutinised politician in the UK.” Had he declined to offer anything substantive you could then have reported such a notable fact. That would have been more balanced and shown some responsibility.

    It would have pointed up weakness in Galloway’s case and cast some serious doubt over his professed probity if he had not complied but conversely, had he actually done so, it could have shed some welcome light. We would all win either way. Yet the BBC has again failed to do the obvious whilst we, the listening public, have to foot the not inconsiderable bill whilst remaining poorly informed.

    You have presided over this and behaved in an even more maverick fashion than Galloway. “Are you proud of this?”, I could ask. We rightly expect more from you than we do from him and you have failed us. There is too much opinion, bordering on attitude, and too little fact.

    Why do the BBC’s political programmes lack rigour?

    Will post her response when I find it.

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    gruntfuttock says:

    About as dishonest as your handle.

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    Fabianophobe says:

    “the members of the public looked visibly shocked”

    There’s something phoney about that sentence. The scribbling officer was in an altercation with Mitchell – and then broke off the scan the faces of passers by? It’s a dramatic device (“just imagine the scene…!”) and casts a doubt.

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    Archie says:

    Not even construed!

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    Your Friendly Neighbourhood Cop-Show Nostalgia Service says:

    Amazing how “Jack Regan” aka John Thaw shows up years later playing a much different kind of shamus, whom we always loved to refer to as “Inspector Morose,” because he was always out of sorts about something or another, probably mostly from being an alcoholic fiftyish lifelong failure with the ladies, who flunked out of Oxford and then got stationed there as a Detective Inspector, at which rank he stayed years after he should have made DCI. Having an unusual Christian name like Endeavour cannot have helped his disposition much either. We’d be pretty morose too. But of course, he and his partner Lewis always got their man, so life has its compensations.

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    Anonymous says:

    More evidence of how out of touch the political class are.

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    You're taking the Michael says:

    Time will tell.

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    Walter Mitty says:

    Did Boris provide the bike?

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    suet says:

    Francis Fulford has got it just about right:

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    You're taking the Michael says:

    Where are the statements from those members of the public who were present when the Mitchellgate incident occurred, some ask – but surely the voting public have been deprived of the power of recall where MPs are concerned.

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    Anonymous says:

    still find it a bit strange that the officers on the gate did not immediately recognise one of only three official occupants of Downing Street …… it doesn’t say much for security?

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    Steve Henson says:

    If Cameron had a spine he’d give Mitchell a rocket.

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    just wondering says:

    This is the revealing bit about the log. Mentioning ‘members of the public’ and their ‘visible’ shock provides the grounding for charges to be laid. At the time the log was written, the PC clearly had in mind at least half an intention to report for prosecution and the reference to the pocket book opens up the existence of directly contemporaneous notes. It’s speculation, of course, but I wonder whether the Sun’s getting a full briefing might have coincided with those further up the chain declining to allow the report for prosecution to proceed … for whatever reason we can’t imagine …

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    Bloke says:

    Let’s face it – he was right. Coppers are a load of ignorant plebs these days.

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    A Well Wisher says:

    A non-event until the police leaked the log. Could the Met let us know under what circumstances they choose to leak info? There is not yet a prosecution pending but they have chosen to do so. That is quite scary.What else are the doing with information gathered from the public?

    Do not forget that Plod has form for altering notes (the De Menenzes case being one example) sp accepting them as fact is probably naive,or political.

    If any investigation is required it is into this police practice.

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    Anonymous says:

    There are independent witneses, tourists probably. Perhaps one will come forwards? Perhaps one of the journalists had his mic on as well as their legendary telephoto lenses? Do the coppers have cameras in their hats? Lip reading is a wonderful skill. Oh there must be cctv at that point and lipreaders do exist. What about journo cameras given to lip readears?

    Would settle it once and for all – truthfully.

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    Police 5 says:

    No suprise there surely? My two (and thank god only) sustained encounters with MPs soon relevealed that they live in a very closed world of self promotion and insider dealing for just about everything they did. That they had to have contact with the great unwashed was very upsetting to them and kept to a well managed minimum. Both were uniformed on any subject outside the immediate brief and neither had an opnion that was not either given to them by their handlers or that was clearly bonkers.

    This chap Mitchell is just your average arrogant, angry elite cock, Cameron will hold on to him as long as possible but it just gives a rare insight to the wider public what utter c_nts they all are in Parliament. The plod should be commended.

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    Ironside says:

    They decided to wind him up. They succeeded.

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    Fog says:

    This non-story is being over-hyped by the lefty media. None of them looking at it from the other angle – Mitchell got a taste of the non-common-sense society we now live in. Now he knows how persecuted we all feel at airports where we’re all accused of being t e rorr ists because they won’t do profiling.

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    Yvonne from the Colliers Arms Clydach says:

    From this official version it is quite clear that the “pleb ” comment was used and referred to the members of the public in proximity .

    I am a member of the public and do not like being called a ” pleb ” and I suspect I am not in a minority of one .

    I tried to phone Mr Cameron this morning but I could not find his phone number so I emailed him instead to tell him he will not be getting any more tax money out of this “pleb ” until Mr Mitchell is gone !

    If enough right minded people were to do the same the country would be a far better place.

    All IMHO .

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    Tory voter says:

    Mitchell is toast.

    Since he refuses to say exactly what words he used, he’ll constantly be asked exactly that.

    Any time he tries to discipline a Tory MP, he’ll be asked “Why should I? Because I’m a ‘f****** pleb?'”

    In short he’ll not be able to do his job effectively.

    You are the weakest link, Mr Mitchell. Goodbye!

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    UpYours says:

    Jobsworth plod winds up odious tinyprick. No sympathy for either.

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    Tory voter says:

    No. He has got it perfectly wrong.

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    Abu Hamza faces extradition ‘within weeks’ after eight-year extradition battle Evening Standard

    What is wrong with this afternoon for fuck’s sake?

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    We all know that the boys will look after the boys and that being seen to do the right thing is more important than actually doing it, so that the boys can look after the boys.

    You will be expecting leaders to lead in this nations best interests and not those of the monied few soon.

    While I have grave doubts as to Democracy2015 actually working (I mean how will said executives find the time/ability to take 5 years out of their career/business) they have a point – we need experienced people in government not career politicians. And preferably those who are evolved beyond the pettyness of human nature so that they can inspire and not work through fear.

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    misterneddy says:

    Soo it is not beyond the realms of possibility that this police officer lied in his evidence. The police routinely lie to protect themselves as we have discovered whilst trying to gain justice for the 96 killed at Hillsborough.

    As an aside, I am so glad that the economy is now completely fixed, the EU economy repaired, the Health service is now working Properly, all public services are offering efficient value for money services, crime has been wiped out, the conflicts in the Middle East have stopped, China and Japan are best friends and we are no longer under the immediate threat of WW3!!!

    Or else why the fuck are the media STILL obsessing over such a stupid piece of irrelevant trivia as this stupid story???


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    I Remember You Hoo says:

    “Lots of blindly loyal to Camoron smokescreening on this blog won’t change that.”

    LOL, you don’t come here much do you? Useless fabian Cameron, gets as many kickings here as calamity Clegg and marxist Militwat and deservedly so.

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    Aunty Matter says:

    I want to wave him off from Heathrow, in the traditional way.

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    Anonymous says:

    looking sideways,

    perhaps after Plan B, we could have another band. This time called PlebTalk.
    Talk Talk could open a new service, just PlebTalk. a cheaper pay as you go service. or a new service for the ultra rich. Chelsea Talks. Thankyou talks, a new service for the post Olympics generation.

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    Anonymous says:

    if the english and the indians were 2 peas in a pod.
    the western elite are angry, the eastern plebs are angry.
    the eastern elite is relaxed. the westen plebs are relaxed.

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    John the Bastard says:

    A conversation taking place about now somewhere within the Metropolitan Police:
    Assistant Commissioner-“OK, PC Plod best let us have a look at the CCTV tapes.”
    PC Plod-“Er, boss, it looks as if they have gone missing.”

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    Anonymous says:

    ever thought that in another area of life you could be 60 years behind.

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    Anonymous says:

    integrity is not easy for the lazy pragmatist. perhaps they could be competent instead.

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    Gill O'Teen says:

    Chop their hands off.

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    Algernon the meek says:

    The plod who went crying to the meeja should be sacked for being a nonce in a built-up area between the hours of 7am and 7 pm.

    So someone called you a fucking pleb? Well Boo fucking hoo. Suck it up. You remember what you called that black boy last week?

    Let’s remind ourselves about the Met plod …

    . they “kettle” peaceful protestors, surrounding them for hours and not allowing even the women to go to the toilet

    . PC Ward likes to beat up hippies at protests

    . they stand buy and watch while looters run amock but will happily beat the shit out of Ian Tomlinson while going about his lawful business The mong Harwood

    . Police medics like a beat of beat ‘em up fun too

    . they run away like screaming girlies from moslem protestors but will happily beat little white girls with their steel truncheons PC Smellie

    Plod – stop whining you nonces

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    make mine a large one says:

    Quite so.

    However, we now have 30 months’ experience of Dave’s ability to act as a total cun*t in every possible circumstance.

    A guaranteed winner in 2015.

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    Anonymous says:

    when did you leave the uk?

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    make mine a large one says:

    What’s new?

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    Algernon the meek says:

    The bystanders were visibly shocked at a plod who does not know his place – unless they were shocked that he had not beaten anyone to death with his steel truncheon.

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    The Poet Laureate Writes says:

    Subject: Extra-Odious Politicians

    ‘Open the gate!!’ said the whip
    And get off your shoulder that chip
    As the officer class
    You will lick my arse
    And be thrashed if I hear any lip.

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    Or from following Nick Pope (ex MoD ufo case officer) regarding a key piece of ufo evidince that wasnt released by our government “Inadvertently destroyed” (though not on his watch).

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    Walter Mitty says:

    Excuse me?????

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    Oops should have been a reply to post 188 above sorry

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    Backwoodsman says:

    Plod getting above himself, even to a man who looks like he wears bri-nylon shirts.
    Is this some sort of soft rebuttal of the Hillsbororo whoopsie, where plod were exposed as being economical with the truth on an industrial scale ? ( A fact which pretty much any JP will confirm is their default position).

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    Ironisde says:

    It was cocktail hour at the Carlton Club

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    Anonymous says:

    not their fault, neither does the rest of the country.
    in the line of duty, the diplomatic protection people could have been dopey but then mitchell could be mistaken. it’s all pleblite from the Fullers brewery.

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    Silent Bob says:

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    Yeh i eard im abusing those coppers and i was also at illsborough wiv all those drunken scousers
    it’s the troof i tell yer !

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    misterneddy says:

    Ignorant, lying, revenue generating plebs!

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    misterneddy says:

    Yup, lying to the police in the course of their enquiries is a crime. The police lying their asses off to get people to incriminate themselves is routine standard practice.

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    misterneddy says:

    I agree with you about dishonest politicians, but we are also dealing with a policeman who is a jumped up gate opener and closer. And we all know that the police routinely lie when under pressure. It is their default position,

    So we have a spat between a lying politician and a lying copper over who said what over a gate? WHO GIVES A FUCK?

    It is an irrelevent NON story. pointless.

    This past week we have had a massive International Naval carrier fleet taking orders to move into Hormus, we have Isra el ready to attack Iran, we have China and Japan squaring up to each other and all the other ingredients coming together for WW3 to kick off as a nice October Surprise and the British media obsess about THIS IRRELEVANT PILE OF SHITE??? WTF?

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    Fat Owl of the Remove says:

    A tape recorded interview would have been better gov. P.S. of course he said it arrogant public school shit)

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    misterneddy says:

    “except trying to cut every service that the Public Sector provides”

    And managing to INCREASE public spending whilst doing so.

    As for the implication that the tories have an obsession to privatise everything? Well so do the Liberals and Labour. You see, they are only following orders from Brussels. EU directives on EU wide competition are forcing the UK Government to sell off chunks of the NHS and Education and loads of other stuff, so that any company in the EU can buy it up cheap and run it.

    ALL three main parties will do the same.

    So I agree we need a new party in power, this is why I will be voting UKIP!

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    Freddie Fraudster says:

    We have elected a Government of smarmy, weak jawed, ineffectual shits who think more of protecting their chums than the integrity of the Government. When will the Party do something about this? In the meantime goodbye Dave> I wont be voting for this mess next time around ….though I doubt that, by that stage, it will be anything to do with you

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    misterneddy says:

    Best comment today!!!

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    misterneddy says:

    But you can tell a judge to fuck off. It is a legal term.

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    Dixon of Dock Green says:

    How do such reports end up in such detail in the hands of the press, is it good drinks all round yet (In the ‘good old days’, ‘a drink’ used to be about fifty quid).

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    misterneddy says:

    It’s also legalese.

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    If we hire 'em we can fire 'em says:

    Re: ‘Democracy 2015@ etc. Trouble with using unelected and unaccountable ‘technocrats’ is that they are unaccountable, e.g. Barroso, Van Rumpoy and the banker telling Greece what to do at the moment.

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    jgm2 says:


    You obviously care more about the state of the BBC and UK politics in general than I ever did.

    I cannot imagine bothering to write to anybody at the BBC or in government. Mainly because I know I’d just get a stock printed letter of the ‘We take all comments seriously, you have been placed in queue to be ignored….’ type responses.

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    Missing You Already says:

    I’d love to wave off old Abu, but I lost my hand, the other one’s holding a bottle of champagne!

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    misterneddy says:

    If the tories have a police hater, then they will be getting a lot closer to real public opinion.

    Most people I know can’t stand the police. What a bunch of dishonest, crooked, revenue generating mindless jobsworth bastards most of the police are these days. More concerned with imposing easy fines on the gullible through whatever dishonest means they can get away with, and sticking to racist, political correctness, even to the extent of sacrificing vulnerable white girls to Islamic Perverts, just to keep their fucking jobs.

    Anyone who does not hate the police, these days, is not fucking awake!

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    misterneddy says:

    Your point 1 is false. The police routinely lie. The more pressure that is put upon them, the more they lie.

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    Jim says:

    The Sun saw it first.
    Perhaps they did not want to hold the evidence of another sale and had it passed to the Telegraph?

  223. 223
    misterneddy says:

    If you believe what is written in a police log, I have seafront property in Birmingham to sell you!

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    Because people have had enough, dont like what they see on the ground, and dont trust nor believe our government.

    Anyone read the Scottish Daily Record website this morning (I know before you start) another ex ATOS examiner whistleblows the reality of government policies on the most vulnerable in society (as on Panorama/dispatches watch our politicians deny and blame others for their policies).

    The disabled (if you can press a button you are fit for work [seriously see panorama et all], the unemployed [if you are not hard working you are not a decent person but best forget we made you unemployed], the civil service mandarins [what do you mean that your 40 years of service makes you wiser than us career politicians full of ideology], who next the Freemasons? The unions [already started]? The religions? The Police [oops forgot] ? The NHS [Lets dismante it fully and regress half a century in social development while making a few quid in profit]?

    Hitler would be proud at how society is being marginalised and how the door is being opened wider to political extremism while real fear is being driven into society.

    Where is Dumbledore when you need him?

    And what really grinds me is that I used to be a tory party member and I voted Cleggs lot in this time around.

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    I want a Plebiscite says:

    ‘Plebeian’Was a member of the public in ancient Rome, or a member of the lower social order. So old ‘Thrasher Mitchell’ demonstrates he his a victim of a classical education.

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    Hi jgm2. I have been at it (and the BBC) for a great many years. I was a known adversary in the 90s. You will note that my first claim is couched in their own type of pejorative terms. This is exactly because I knew that would get them going…

    Inglish’s reply talked in terms of what she thought, as I can remember it. I was aghast that someone of such high rank could believe that the world revolved around her own pattern of thought. Not surprising, is it?

  227. 227

    But they will be democraticly elected in by the people, if it gets that far. My main worry is that by having busines owners/managers as MPS is that there is the risk that bad egotistic bosses could project their harsh profit policies on everyone. What is needed is wisdom. And a good range of experience in various secotors of society so that there is a deep understanding of the social levers that make this country tick.

    I do think that Cameron means well (I agree with him in that society needs to change/evolve), but his government seem not to have a clue about the law of unintended consequences and on how money is a man made invention to make life easier and to aid evolution, not as the be all and end all and on how it is one of teh quickest routes to drkness known to man. And I think that this is a trap that Democracy2015 could equally fall into.

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    Mole says:

    The word used was Plod not Pleb.

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    Jobs Worth says:

    I, like many others have frequent experience of the lazy bloody minded attitudes of minor officials in numerous situations, e.g. airports, public buildings, dealings with official bodies and the police etc. Worryingly, we also have increasing examples of it from individuals working for ‘private enterprise’ companies, I struggle to get a civil answer fromthe security guards at my local shopping mall

  230. 230
    Ear to the Wall says:

    ‘Plod not Pleb’. Was Mole in the police canteen when he heard that one?

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    Ironside says:

    I grew up with Springer Spaniels they are wonderful dogs.

    I am really upset to know this disgusting bloke owns one, it does not do much for the pedigree of such great canines.

    On the other hand, the fact that the dog has an ‘excellent temperament’ speaks volumes for the breed – to think the dog was completely unaffected despite being brought up by this emotionally-retarded, arrogant jerk.

  232. 232
    Jim says:

    I think the week before the Police Federation issued a Political Statement against the Government. This incident was taken over from a FEMALE Officer by a MALE Officer and a politically unacceptable word recorded in writing that was then sold to the Press for beneficial advantage. If left alone I am sure the Policewomen would have been more successful than the Policeman.
    The Military should now replace the police in these duties to avoid further political battles. They are cheaper and held in higher esteem by the Public.

  233. 233
    A pleb who does not like paying for toffs says:

    But Mr Cameron knows what Mr Mitchell said .

    Mr Cameron admitted this in that BBC interview before he flounced off to avoid any questioning.

  234. 234
    Auntie Flo' says:

    Metplod (retired) says:

    Because they are dishonest. How can we then trust their log? You cannot

    Exactly. The police leaking the log totally undermines any trust we might have in the content of the police record.

    Also, the officer contradicts himself in the account leaked to the telegraph. He officer first states: I can not say if this statement was aimed at me individually, or the officers present or the police service as a whole.

    Later, the officer states he said: “Please don’t swear at me Sir. If you continue to I will have no option but to arrest you under the public order act”

    Also, why does the officer not record telling Mitchell to dismount? Does the failure to record this suggest that this account has been edited?

  235. 235
    DeleteTheCCTVTapes says:

    Time was, when the police were an ignorant bunch of plebs.

    However, we now have graduate entry.
    You never know what the pc’s background is.

  236. 236
    Sid Yobo's copper nark says:

    I got a nice pay off from Rupee’s man.

  237. 237
    just saying says:

    Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me.
    Stop making such a mountain out of a molehill and get on with the important things in life.

  238. 238
    FFS! says:

    Perry Mason you aint. FFS!

  239. 239
    Fed up with crap politicians and media. says:

    No doubt it will also appear in Private Eye’s Neasden Police Station Log (and probably a more accurate record of what actually happened).

  240. 240
    The Impartial observer says:

    There is something odd about this story. Mitchell was going out, not in. So how did he enter Downing St earlier? Presumably this isn’t a unique occurrence. What ingress, egress route was he using previously? If he had been using the main gate, whilst it was open to other traffic, he must still have been subject to security checks & the matter of which gate he was required to use wasn’t raised then?
    As the perceptive jgm2 says, above, opening & closing the gates is what the plod is for. This has all the flavour of some jobsworth copper taking it into his head to be obstreperous & from then on it’s coppers sticking together, covering his back. We’ve all been there, haven’t we? Had some uniformed bonehead telling us we can’t/must do this that or the other with no obvious reason other than he’s decided he’s the authority to make himself a nuisance. But unfortunately, we don’t have the position to give the cnut a slanging. And it looks like, nor did Mitchell.

  241. 241
    Rotherham says:

    Ahhh yes so right in point 1 i mean look at that shining example police force south yorkshire police. They are at the forefront in ensuring community coherence. As they will tell you a few white girls being gang raped by muslim gangs is a price worth paying.

    The police are not idiotic they are incompetent due to wilful neglect!

  242. 242
    Foxtrot Oscar says:

    I see it didn’t take long for 2 brave officers in Manchester to fall while doing what should have been an ordinary day’s work before the anti-police mob with their axe to grind start playing the same tune all over again.

  243. 243
    GUBU says:

    You couldn’t make this up, could you?

    Could you?

    But if you did, and turned out the ‘police log’ above, people would think you were simply taking the piss.

    Neither side comes out of this looking good, do they?

  244. 244

    A copper does a hard job in difficult circumstances. Sometimes they fail badly but here the copper simply asked him to obey the rules and use the side gate.

    A politician may have robust debate but ultimately is there to represent his electorate and to lead society. And if that leadership is one of disrespect that will, if unchecked, feed through society and become the norm.

    That said anyone can have a bad day if their buttons have been pressed too far. So the only real question is did he show his true side or was it a stress induced one off? If the former then god help us all, if the latter give him a break this time.

    A lip reader to the cctv footage would easily sort out who is telling the truth.

  245. 245
    GUBU says:

    I take your point, but is it normal for police information to be released to the press in this way?

    The cynic in me would remark that the unusual thing would be if no money changed hands, given recent revelations…

    As I said, this reflects badly on both parties. Perhaps we expect no better from our politicians these days, but I suspect that someone somewhere in the police service is out to claim a government ‘scalp’, and that is going to come back to bite them firmly on the arse at some future date.

  246. 246
    Anonymous says:

    That does not seem to be a contemporaneous note of events. It was clearly written some time afterwards – when the person writing it could not remember when it happened, other than in a 2 hour window.

    Strange then that he can recall precisely what was said.

    I like the question left hanging as to whether he was actually referring to the whole of the police force… bound to rile some and provide ammunition.

  247. 247
    Baron Hogwash says:

    God I am fooking bored, I have learned a new four letter word!

    Is the euro dead yet?
    Are there going to be any jobs any time soon?
    Is the stinking unions on strike yet?

  248. 248
    Anonymous says:

    Is this what the political hacks have been wetting themselves about? I thought it was something serious. Good grief. If this is what passes for policing nowadays – especially from protection officers – then heaven help us. What a load of shrinking violets we have. But then most of them are no higher than 5 foot tall these days and don`t like going out unless there are in a group of four or more. Back up please – angry cyclist!!!

  249. 249
    Eric says:

    Was it edited with the same scrupulousness as the police logs after the Hillsborough disaster?

  250. 250
    Bumkin says:

    My reading of this is that Mitchell is being tackled for speaking the truth. Most Police are plebs, so what is the problem with saying so?

    If the recipient was offended, then good, as that was the purpose of the insult.

  251. 251
    Anonymous says:

    Another piece of Tory shit shouting and balling, Fuck em all I say. They promise to move mountains when in opposition, then forget their fucking shovels when elected, I wouldn’t mind if the country was doing something. We’re still not getting our promised vote on Europe, Illegal immigrants are still coming here in unsustainable numbers and they are still laying the blame on Europe, labour or the lib dems, for fuck sake do something positive and radical just for ONCE.

  252. 252
    Chief Cashier - retired says:

    Yeah, Thats as maybe. The copper was doing his job, he may be a pleb, but why should he take anything from a piece of shit like Mitchell. Public place public within earshot he’s on his way out, not for saying it but for denying saying. Tosser

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