September 17th, 2012

UKIP Re-branding – Guido’s Logo Suggestions

UKIP are kicking off conference season this week, and have announced they will be re-branding and dropping the pound sign from their logo – apparently that battle has been won. Tim Montgomerie has been bandying about ideas for a new design. According to the Telegraph the party have drafted a “friendly design consultancy is helping the party”. Guido’s done their work for them:

Obviously the old freedom torch introduced by Margaret Thatcher in 1987 has an obvious appeal, though UKIP have to be careful not to put off the 20-25% of supporters who are previous Labour voters. Guido’s personal politically correct gender-balanced suggestion would be Boadicea – the historic heroine of those fighting occupying forces from Europe. Or why not a swan?


141 Comments

  1. 1
    Kebab Time says:

    I was thinking they should have a loony right logo , like the lonny left you use ( with the horse) but with a pic of nigel insted.

    • 3

      How about the quadriga atop the Brandenburg Gate?

      • 7
        Butch Dave says:

        How about Mo Farah?

        • 18
          Manuel Barroso says:

          How s about a light aircraft in a steep dive?

          • aegesrg says:

            A one-trick Pony would be best.

          • Anonymous says:

            It needs a picture of all the cabinet dissapearing down a toilet because without an in.out referendum before the next election UKIP will make the Tories un-electable
            So with Cameron and his phony anti EU properganda its goodby Tories for a decade or two as they vanish down the shitter

        • 20
          Up Yours Delors says:

          No, Bradley Wiggins sticking it to the French for a month.

          Or a set of handcuffs to symbolise the way several party members have been convicted for fraud?

      • 39
        Lou Scannon says:

        The EU’s logo should be known as the Voteriga.

    • 29
      Never Mind says:

      O/T – Ne’er mind UKIP, – let’s think for a moment about the ‘Tory’ Partee..

      The Tory Logo – in time for ‘Conference’ – could be a dying duck with an EUSSR orange shoved up its arse.

      • 126
        the savant says:

        i m glad you opted for duck and not a swan …

        hrh would have had something to say about that particular animal being mistreated….

    • 54
      Sir William Waad says:

      A bowler hat would strike the right note of insular retrospection.

    • 96
    • 99
      Fish says:

      How about a crock o’ shite?

      …or a Euro sign to remind us all of UKIP’s fat, lazy MEPs, troughing in Brussels at our expense

      or perhaps just a piggy with a dunce’s cap and a UKIP rosette

      • 130
        the savant says:

        no that s too harsh Fish .

        it takes balls to stand up at evvey session and find a new way of destroying barroso and rumpy pumpy who are sitting some six feet away from you

        additionally being laughed at in the chamber and possibly physically assaulted in the corridors by the great unwashed tendency who form a majority at brbussels or strasbourg or whereverthe hell the eu cradle of democracy is meeting at any particular time to assuage the sensitivities of th french .

        no … i think nigel does a good job for blighty an he should be applauded .

        what the rest of his ukip cohort do however … god only knows r

    • 127
      Anonymous says:

      I think the nub of the issue here is the word Democracy, you have no doubt watched the video where Cameron states quite unequivocally that the British electorate should have a referendum on the EU. Now the argument has been voiced that the Lisbon Treaty was done and dusted before he was elected and he has quite bogusly hidden behind this fact. However recently there was an e-petition demanding a debate on a European referendum and this subsequently took place in the HOC. Nevertheless when it came to a vote on this issue Cameron put down a three-line whip to ensure its defeat thereby proving beyond any doubt that he is an undemocratic liar. Now all opinion polls taken result in an overwhelming percentage of the British electorate are desperate for an in/out referendum and even when he applied his three-line whip in the HOC over 80 of his own MPs defied him and voted for a referendum.
      Clearly then on this issue he is totally ignoring both the electorate and a major number of his own MPs for many that voted to support the whip only did so under duress. His bogus pro referendum announcements before the election went some way to ensuring his win but he has now not only reneged on his views on referenda but also took active steps to ensure that one would not take place.
      At the last election UKIP offered Cameron an opportunity to win all these seats by withdrawing their candidate providing he would carry out his promise of a referendum. Cameron declined and it may well have cost him an overall majority. I realise that with UKIP in the mix the Tories will not only loose the next election but may well remain in the political wilderness for at least a decade. His deceit has cost the Conservative cause a great deal for many are now switching their allegiance not because they are no longer Conservative in outlook but they have lost all trust in the Tory party leadership.
      Cameron can promise and even put into law that we will have a referendum after the next election but it just wont wash for no one will believe him, he is a dyed in the wool Europhile and any referendum held will have the ballot paper choices so worded that make the result a fudge.
      Nothing short of a straight forward in/out referendum BEFORE the next election can save the Conservatives and I for one will never vote Tory whilst we are denied one and many others I know feel the same.
      I accept that UKIP won’t win the election but Cameron deserves to loose and he will by a country mile. UKIP will however win the European elections hands down.
      It will be interesting to see by how much the Tories loose Corby

  2. 2
  3. 5
    Scary Biscuits says:

    I’d heard the Swan had since jumped into bed with the Conservatives in Morecombe.

  4. 6
    LondonStatto says:

    Really, it should be a picture of Ed Miliband and Ed Balls.

  5. 8
    Interview with a leftie says:

    Q: Isn’t it shocking how these muslims are protesting so violently?

    A: No! They’re right to be angry! Once again the West is attacking Islam, a religion of p*ace!

    Q: How can you say it’s a religion of p*ace when they’ve murdered people over a film?

    A: It’s an Islamaphobic film! It attacks their prophet!

    Q: It’s called free speech. What gives them the right to kill anyone? They use free speech to say horrific things about J*ws, non-muslims, women and homosexuals.

    A: We have no right to insult Islam! I fully support their protests!

    Q: Are you aware the Koran says to kill all homosexuals and non-muslims, to beat your wife for disobeying you, that a woman’s word on a matter is worth half that of a man’s, to marry off girls as soon as they begin menstruating, and to stone adulterers and r*pe victims to death?

    A: Don’t be so Islamaphobic!

    Q: I’m just telling you what this religion stands for. Don’t you support women’s rights and gay rights?

    A: Of course I do! How dare you even ask!

    Q: So why do you defend a religion that preaches such misogyny and homophobia?

    A: Why do you defend the West?!

    Q: Don’t change the subject. Why do you never condemn honour killings, female circumcisions, forced marriages, child marriages, suicide bombings, r*pe being used as a punishment for failing to wear a headscarf, and r*pe victims, adulterers and homosexuals being executed?

    A: It’s… it’s… uh… um… it’s the corporations! The corporations and… uh… the corporations and… I*rael!

    Q: Excuse me? I’m asking why you don’t condemn honour killings, r*pe, child marriages…

    A: It’s the corporations! And I*rael! And corporations!

    Q: What are you talking about? What have corporations and I*rael got to do with muslims forcing 9 year olds to marry 60 year old men in P*kistan and muslim girls being circumcised?

    A: You’re Islamaphobic! You support corporations and I*rael!

    Q: What do you say to the family of the US ambassador to Libya who was murdered over a film he had nothing to do with?

    A: Corporations! Corporations!

    • 12
      Not a BBC spokesperson says:

      You been looking around our photocopiers again?

      Thank you for your money….

      • 23
        Bob Crow says:

        i lyke monee! i gett nyce bigg salaree.

      • 60
        BBC aka Bring Back Communism says:

        We are trying to lower the key and support our Muslim friends for a while until it all cools down. Its all those terrible Americans’ fault (except Obama).
        We will soon have our wall to wall anti Romney programme in place by simply replacing the name Thatcher with the name Romney.
        Great entertainment for all the family even though we do not really understand how the USA operates. However we will be sending Comrade Jimmy “The Red” Naughty out again next month to stir the Democratic party to even greater songs of praise – sorry about the religious connotation as we are all secular (atheists) here.
        Hail to fellow grasseaters everywhere.

    • 33
      Brining the Bacon of the Religion of Piss to Londistan, I am, says:

      I’ll get 72 Virgins for that.

    • 81
      The BBC says:

      #croft

  6. 10
    Seanster says:

    What a fantastic suggestion S’s cat :-)

    • 73

      Thank you but I am dreadfully afraid they will regard my seriously considered suggestions as rather too off-the-wall.

    • 128
      Anonymous says:

      Here is a list of all the seats UKIP spoiled for the Tories at the last election and this was before they formed an alliance with the Liberals.
      I cannot see the Tories winning again unless they hold an in/out Referendum on the EU BEFORE the next election.
      Cameron must be stupid if he thinks anyone will believe a promise of referendums after the next election, it’s time he went.

      Bolton West:
      Labour 18,329; Conservative 18,235; UKIP 1,901
      Derby North:
      Labour 14,896; Conservative 14,283; UKIP 829
      Derbyshire NE:
      Labour 17,948: Conservative 15,503; UKIP 2,636
      Dorset mid & Poole:
      Labour 21,100; Conservative 20,831; UKIP 2,109
      Dudley North:
      Labour 14,923; Conservative 14,274; UKIP 3,267
      Great Grimsby:
      Labour 10,777: Conservative 10,063: UKIP 2,043
      Hampstead & Kilburn:
      Labour 17,332; Conservative 17,290; UKIP 408
      Middlesbrough South:
      Labour 18,138; Conservative 16,461; UKIP 1,881
      Morley (Ed Balls):
      Labour 18,365; Conservatives 17,264; UKIP 1,506
      Newcastle-Under-Lyme:
      Labour 16,393; Conservatives 14,841; UKIP 3,491
      Plymouth Moor View:
      Labour 15,433; Conservatives 13,845; UKIP 3,188
      Solihull:
      Liberal 23,635; Conservatives 23,460; UKIP 1,200
      Somerton & Frome:
      Liberal 28,793; Conservatives 26,976; UKIP 1,932
      Southampton Itchen:
      Labour 16,326; Conservatives 16,134; UKIP 1,928
      St Austell & Newquay:
      Liberal 20,189; Conservatives 18,877; UKIP 1,757
      St Ives:
      Liberal 19,619; Conservatives 17,900; UKIP 2,560
      Telford:
      Labour 15,977; Conservatives 14,996; UKIP 2,428
      Walsall North:
      Labour 13,385; Conservatives 12,395; UKIP 1,737
      Walsall South:
      Labour 16,211; Conservatives 14,456; UKIP 3,449
      Wells:
      Liberal 24,560; Conservatives 23,760; UKIP 1,711
      Wirral South:
      Labour 16,276; Conservatives 15,745; UKIP 1,274

      This list will be a fucking load longer in 2015

  7. 13
    orkneylad says:

    How about this?
    http://www.glebedigital.co.uk/Partiesa.jpg

    Conservative.
    The ‘eco-kiddie chic look’ is woefully threadbare, instead of the intended ‘soft conservative’ it was doomed to read ‘soft-in-the-head conservative’ from the very start.
    Lorra-lorra money spent, final result is the uk’s most expensive Artrage doodle.

    Labour.
    The rose has had so many meanings attached to it, hence to us ‘moderns’, it ceases to have any meaning at all. This particular rose looks photocopied from a gardening book & coloured with felt tips.
    I’ll grudgingly accept that this is the ‘least worst’ of the lot, but looks are deceptive: my advice is to watch out for what those fabian fruitloops are cultivating in the potting shed.

    Liberal.
    Some kinda pidgeon…oh a dove, ok…peace & love, amnesty, save the whales, shrimp, yogurt….whatever. Come back the SDP all is forgiven.
    God only knows what Lloyd George thinks of it all.

    Scotttish National.
    What is that, a freakin’ noose?
    Interestingly, it’s the only treatment with a right angle in it.

    • 36
      Bill Quango MP says:

      New logo’s for all.

      Tory – A union flag dishcloth hanging limply on a washing line.

      Labour – A pack of A4 blank photocopying paper {unopened}

      Liberal – A white flag. Or possibly a mattress drying out on a back lawn.

      Green – A dreamcatcher sheltering under a rainbow unicorn

      UKIP – A bulldog biting a poodle

      • 116
        English Liberation Front says:

        The Green party should have a red star or hammer and sickle. Anything else ought to be a breach of the trade descriptions act.

  8. 14
    Realist says:

    It might just aswell be a red rosette.

  9. 15
    Camilla Parker-Starney says:

    It should be a picture of a back door.

    Because a vote for UKIP is a wasted vote that will let high tax Labour back into government.

    • 22
      • 45
        UKIP.i.am.awake says:

        As opposed to the high tax, high public-spending Tory party, the latest lapdogs of Barroso.

        • 68
          Vote UKIP get Milliband says:

          Oh grow up. If Farage was PM now what would he be doing to sort out the deficit? Exactly, **** all, because all he wants to do is grandstand around being rude to Eurocrats and doesn’t have a clue about running a country.

          • W.W. says:

            “doesn’t have a clue about running a country” Unlike Cameron, Milibannd and the boy Clegg, who don’t have a clue how to run anything.

            W.W.

          • Reality says:

            So we get rid of DC like we did Heath. Did UKIP exist when Thatcher came to power?

          • Tristram Smallbore-ffipps says:

            Yes. They were known as the National Front in those days.

    • 25
      A Sheep says:

      …but a vote for the tories lets Cameron in through the back door, which is probably worse.

    • 32
      I hate Parliament so much it hurts says:

      Labour getting back into government is a given. Cameron is too odious/indifferent/incompetent to win. He could barely beat Brown, a deeply-hated man who went on the election trail with “I hate Labour voters” crayoned on his big fat stupid head. More or less.

      A vote for the Conservatives is the wasted vote. They are not going to win. At least if you vote Ukip, you’re sending them a final insult, showing Cameron the same contempt he shows to the people of Britain. When Cameron’s Cons settle back into their opposition comfort-zone, where they belong and where they obviously felt so safe for so long, they’ll sit looking at all the Ukip votes and think, “if were weren’t completely shit, we could have had those votes!”

      And then they’ll self-destruct.

    • 35
      Gordon Brown says:

      Back door?

      I always ask visitors to use the back door.

    • 42
      Sandra in Accounts says:

      Whats the difference?

      Cameron has stuck like shit to a blanket to the fiscal insanity of Brown & Balls.

      Cameron – in order to de-toxify the brand, has abandoned all principles in the vain hope of getting his Notting Hill dinner mates from the Guardian to love him

      ucking loon

      And you are too if you think Cameron is going to get anywhere near Number 10 after the GE.

      Ed & Ed it is – so be it – these are the days Cameron made – & 20 years in opposition for the Blue Team.

      UKIP is the only choice for al people who want to register a big fat fuck you to the Lib / Lab / Con Party.

  10. 16
    I hate Parliament so much it hurts says:

    Dropping the Pound logo because “that battle has been won”?

    “Britain will have to abandon the pound and join the single currency “faster than people think”, Germany’s finance minister has said.” – Daily Telegraph, 18th November 2011.

    Germany has spoken. Dave has been given his orders. Und Dave vill obey.

  11. 17
    Sir Arthur Wellesley says:

    Two crossed dead Frenchman atop a mound of dead Frenchmen ?

  12. 19
    Penfold says:

    SWan?, I thought it was a lame duck…….

  13. 24
    Kebab Time says:

    Maybe UKIP should have a Burka as logo with a *X* thro it.

    and they claim to be a libertarian party LOL

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8464124.stm

    • 43
      Sandra in Accounts says:

      Nothing inconsistent there.

      Surely, you support those that stand against the oppression of women in our free society?

      • 44
        Kebab Time says:

        You make the assumption that all women that wear a burka are oppressed.

        • 101
          Tristram Smallbore-ffipps says:

          Sorry Kebab, you don’t get it. Sandra is actually a 15 year old boy whose only knowledge of women or other religions is from the telly. Sad really, but so common on this blog.

          • Sandra in Accounts says:

            Kebab & Tristram – the ying & yang of the Cameroon / Blairite age of breathtaking stupidity.

          • Tristram Smallbore-ffipps says:

            And there lies proof of my point. Just like all 15 year old boys Sandra assumes all who disagree with her are allied to her primary enemies. Very, very sad case.

    • 49
      Lord Mandelson says:

      We’re all Libertatrians now!

  14. 28
    Tachybaptus says:

    Did Rich ‘n’ Mark draw that swan for you?

    Not a good idea anyway: swans are violent, xenophobic creatures. And that picturesque pose with raised wings that they have attempted to draw is a swan’s threat posture, and means ‘I am going to beat you up.’

  15. 31
    smoggie says:

    How about a crescent of stars, symbolising the removal of one or more from the so-called eternal EU circle? Added bonus is that it will appeal to the muzzies.

  16. 34
    aGente DeMousse says:

    guido – put any thoughts of Swann taking over out of your mind.
    1. She’s up a tree (“When daddy told me what tax was: I cried”)
    2. She never buys a round.

  17. 37
  18. 38
    Anonymous says:

    I’d go with Britannia. Especially after Gordon removed her from our coinage for no good reason.

    • 46
      Sandra in Accounts says:

      And that vindictive act of removing Elgar from the notes in favour of a Scottish pin maker – a transitional figure to the bland designs of non descript bridges and buildings to soften us up for when Ed & Ed take us into the Euro – without a referendum.

      No doubt supported by the blue wing of the Labour party – formerly known as the Conservatives.

    • 86
      Tay King-dePisse says:

      Something– anything– that says “Britain.”
      Whatever they do, they should NOT hire that company that came up with the Lisa Simpson fellatio logo for the Olympic Games.

  19. 40
    It's all Balls says:

    Churchill with his victory sign facing a map of Europe?

  20. 47
    ed martin says:

    what about a turkey

  21. 50
    opinicus says:

    An open door with a sunrise beyond

  22. 52
    Sir William Waad says:

    Boadicea was a mass-murderess. Also, she lost.

    • 57
      UKIP.i.am.awake says:

      She was also flogged and her daughters raped by foreigners, who were taking over the country.

    • 58
      UKIP.i.am.awake says:

      She was also flogged and her daughters ra*ped by foreigners, who were taking over the country.

      • 64
        Sir William Waad says:

        Aethelflaed was an altogether better class of warrior-queen.

      • 76
        UKIP are sleepwalking into red doom says:

        I think you’ll find that there’s a big difference between history and a tv drama in which Alex Kingston takes her top off.

        • 83
          Tomorrow's Chip Wrapper says:

          For those that can’t get enough of Ms Kingston …the choice of gentlemen of a “certain age” she is appearing in “Who Do You Think You are” on BBC 1 Thursday.

          As an aside personally I preferred her in “Moll Flanders” although she is pretty “hot” protagonist for Dr Who as Dr River Dance and could accompany me in my T.A.R.D.I.S any time she liked.

  23. 53
    Anonymong says:

    a “friendly design consultancy is helping the party”

    Devil’s Kitchen, presumably?

  24. 55
    last_brit says:

    I’m going to make a serious suggestion here. *derisive laughter* Boadicea is too complicated for a logo. A torch is too Tory-ish. A swan will go down well in Buckinghamshire but doesn’t look very inspiring in the form depicted. But how about a heraldic lion? It is used in the arms of both England and Scotland and was traditionally a symbol of Britain – remember Napoleon starving a lion to death to gratify his urge to beat Britain?

    You could even make it purple (or purpure in heraldic description) to match the current Ukip house colour (even though I find the current shade rather sickly). So, all we have to settle is.. Passant guardant (as in England) Rampant (as in Scotland) or some other pose?

  25. 56
    Loungelizard says:

    A handlebar mustache soaring like a vulture over the burning ruins of EU HQ.

  26. 59
    Gonk says:

    An Austin Seven crossed with a TR6 on a bed of oak leaves.

  27. 62
    Nigel Varage says:

    Here’s great logo for UKIP…

    http://www.xoggoth.org/images/angel1.jpg

  28. 63
    I use the koran as a beer mat says:

    Why can’t you use pages of the koran as toilet paper?

    Because they’re already full of shit.

  29. 65

    OK. This has got to be it:

    The one finger salute

  30. 66
    The Very Lovely Alan Duncan says:

    How about a ladyboy as UKIP’s logo ?

    The media coverage would be superb.

  31. 74
    Raving Loon says:

    Can they also drop the “UK” part and just be called the independence party? That way when Scotch land leave the UK, only to be shackled by the EU, there won’t be any embarrasing nomenclature issues.

  32. 77
    • 91
      Tristram Smallbore-ffipps says:

      It would be funny if it wasn’t tragic. Ashcroft pontificating on financial matters is rather like the Pope becoming a child protection officer.

      • 124
        Tax Fudger says:

        On the contrary, the enobled Ashcroft knows the value of a pound note and knew paying too much tax to a Labour government was complete folly. His head is firmly screwed on in matters of finance old chap,

        • 131
          Tristram Smallbore-ffipps says:

          Just as the Pope knows the value of taking an interest in children. It is the motivation that bothers me.

  33. 84
    Anonymous says:

    word on the street is that Chris Huhne case will be dropped on Thursday-High Court set to rule that there is insufficient evidence

    • 90
      The street says:

      The word on the street is that Chris Huhne is finsihed as a poltician and whatever happens is irrelevant to that fact. There will be a torrent of slurry poured on his head once the case is over, either way.

      • 106
        Thick as a Planck says:

        How can they drop the case against Vicky. She has indicated she will plead guilty.

      • 110
        John Profumo says:

        As a gentleman, I devoted the rest of my life to real, non-troughing, charity work. of course Huhne isn’t a gentleman.

    • 93
      Vicky Price says:

      You would think they would have the decency to make something up!

      Just as they did for Sadam Hussein.

    • 104
      Thick as a Planck says:

      Which Street? Not on Googlev Street.

  34. 88
    Hava Nagila says:

    It should be Calgacus. What could be more appropriate than a man who stood up to a self-righteous undemocratic foreign empire and declard “Ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant”?

  35. 89
    Tristram Smallbore-ffipps says:

    Perhaps a thick brown envelope encircled by a greasy palm would be appropriate. As a fall back, a picture of Wormwood Scrubs given their familiarity with the place.

    • 98
      Hava Nagila says:

      That would be more appropriate for New Labour.

      If the envelope was from a union, it would work for Miliband-era Labour too.

      • 117
        Tristram Smallbore-ffipps says:

        Ashley Mote, Tom Wise etc etc etc

        • 137
          Hava Nagila says:

          Do you *really* want to go down that road, pal? I don’t even have to bring up the likes of Mandelson or Shahid Malik or even Tony Blair’s charities. I can just bring up the average Labour member and benefits fraudster, like Milan Radulovic (leader of Labour Party on Broxtowe Council).

          If it’s a contest for corruption, Labour are going to win every single time.

          • Tristram Smallbore-ffipps says:

            Bollocks (not a reference to Balls). UKIP and Labour are as bad as each other in this respect.

  36. 92
    Beast says:

    Prince Hal holding his bollocks and a snooker cue

    “Up yours Barrosso”

  37. 100
    Thick as a Planck says:

    Very simply the Euro Ring with Guido’s cross-hairs superimposed. Simps

  38. 102
    insufficient evidence. says:

    A priest offered a Nun a lift.

    She got in and crossed her legs, forcing her gown to reveal a leg. The priest nearly had an accident.

    After controlling the car, he stealthily slid his hand up her leg.
    The nun said, ‘Father, remember Psalm 129?’

    The priest removed his hand. But, changing gears, he let his hand slide up her leg again. The nun once again said, ‘Father, remember Psalm 129?’

    The priest apologized ‘Sorry sister but the flesh is weak.’

    Arriving at the convent, the nun sighed heavily and went on her way.
    On his arrival at the church, the priest rushed to look up Psalm 129.

    It said, ‘Go forth and seek, further up, you will find glory.’

    • 112
      Tay King-dePisse says:

      Of course, had our good priest been a bit more well-versed, you might say, he could have answered her later, in the words of the 122nd Psalm:
      “I was glad when they said unto me, Let us go into the House of the Lord…”

    • 120
      Luke (and 'er son) says:

      Bloomin’ gutter press, quoting out of context again !

  39. 108
    Comments Off says:

    None of us could possibly comment.

  40. 109
    Andrew Pierce plagiariser says:

    Team Guido have put up a link to an Andrew Pierce article accusing Grant Shapps among other things of plagiarism. It would have been nice of Pierce to have given a hat tip to radio4 whose recent profile on four of Grant Shapps that he plagiarised his article from.

    • 118
      Tay King-dePisse says:

      Andrew Pierce thinks of it as “having unpaid researchers.”
      Andrew Pierce is reminiscent of that apocryphal journalist who supposedly said that he wouldn’t be the first to report a story, but he wouldn’t wait to be the third, either.

  41. 123
    Thora Hird says:

    A zimmer frame would fit the bill, or a stairlift perhaps?

  42. 134
    Spotty Lizard says:

    What about a nice, purple, Cadbury’s Flake? That is essentially what UKIP are.

  43. 135
    robbie says:

    What about a London underground sign above a bed ? A little Englander party which sends everyone else to sleep.

  44. 139
    Hey Lordy, pick a bale of cotton. says:

    http://twitpic.com/avqwi7

  45. 140
    Anonymous says:

    The Torch would be hard to better. It is symbolic and precise and since Camerons green oak, not many remember it. Its predecessor, the stylised Torch would also be worth considering.


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