September 7th, 2012

Trade Union Reform Campaign Consultation Submission

The Trade Union Reform Campaign have outlined the opposition to taxpayer funding of trade unions for the Cabinet Office consultation that ends today.

Although the inquiry had a very narrow remit of looking into publicly funded union activity specifically within Whitehall, the hope is that a trickle down effect will spread from central government across the public sector:

Where it is expected that full-time union activity is set to be banned, TURC are calling for full outlawing of the ridiculous practice:

“In the consultation document it is suggested that the Government end the practice of employing full time Trade Union Representatives. However, this implies that the Government might be content to see people spending 50% of their time on paid union duties.

Recently Rachel Reeves MP (Lab, Leeds West), asked what the practical difference was between one person spending all their time on Union work and two people spending 50% of their time. The cost to the  taxpayer is the same and we risk going round in circles. Abolition represents best value for the taxpayer and avoids the risk of the time they take creeping up again once the issue is out of the headlines. We maintain that abolition removes any ambiguity and polling data suggests 86% of the public share our view.”

Despite all the voodoo economics and spin from the TUC this is a moral issue. Why should the taxpayer pick up the tab to pay for public sector unions to lobby for more taxpayers’ money?


  1. 1
    • 5
      Lord WAyne of Trombone says:

      these workers are so useless the best place for them is as pilo’s

      • 18
        SlimeSpotter says:

        I am self-employed and the fat leeches must GTF out of my taxes!

        • 56
          81lly's mum says:

          81lly, they will turn their attention to fat lazy kebabing eating security booth workers soon. What will you do then!

          • My Other Van's A Comma says:

            He calls his kennel a ‘security booth’ now, does he?

          • A reader says:

            When he used to post as 81lly 80wden etc he used to both boast and moan about his job as a security officer in a booth at a local authority depot – he was always a little bit vague and sometimes used to refer to it as a real job when he was trying to criticise a civil servant (if he works at a local authority depot he is probably a civil servant himself) for not doing a proper job. When he was too hung over to spend the whole day hitting refresh to ensure that he got the first comment (before twitter) he would complain that he was on fence duty and could not sit in the booth. I guess he is back in the booth now because he seems obsessed in posting first again. At least he no longer claims to jointly host this blog.

    • 7
      Liarpoliticians says:

      Charging taxpayers to work on union stuff?!

      • 15
        Moscow Mike Handycock former Union Rep says:

        The TUC Representative is absolutely right. Union Reps should be paid for by the taxpayer in the public sector. In these times of economic pain, the public sector should be creating more non jobs like we are in Portsmouth, and, interacting in an entrepreneurial way with the private sector, just like I do with my boys. Union Reps in house in the public sector can suggest and promote more non jobs for the overall benefit of the wider population. Boaz.

    • 23
      Expat Geordie says:

      Why do we need unions in the public sector anyway? Surely a good HR department would be just as effective? After all, these pilgrims say that most of their time is spent on HR issues.

    • 112
      LMetUni lecturer says:

      Hands oof our Pilgrims.

    • 122
      Sensible Simon says:

      Is that Terry Tibbs in the picture?

  2. 2
    Anonymous says:

    hey look

    some one at the daily heil saying what many have for a very long time

    right wings cu’nts the lot of you

    • 17
      a non says:

      Anybody who brings Hilter or the Natzis into any argument has lost it before they even start.

      • 22
        Blowing Whistles says:

        Its part of the zioloon agenda to keep the taboo words going and people in fear for all time. Don’t mention Stalin and his mob of commies who murdered barbarically millions more than adolf and his.

      • 80
        J.Edgar Electrolux says:

        Who was the most evil, Hitler or Stalin? -

        Discuss, preferably without naming the one whose name begins with H.

    • 28
      Archer Karcher says:

      The Nazis were socialists just like you. Deal with it.

      • 78
        Answer me this... says:

        When I watch those old newsreels of the Nuremberg rallies it never occurs to me that the message they wanted to put across was, ” you know what folks, we could really be doing with a smaller State”. Yet the common consrnsus is that the Nazis were “right wing ” .WTF !

        • 120
          Marion the cat says:

          It was helpful with the Russians who were seen as left wing. Mind you I agree that condensing a political universe into a single dimension is always likely to cause problems.

    • 29
      Is she 'avin' a laff like ? says:

      Is she having hallucinations …..has she taken too much lemsip and paracetamol ?……..the number of people who keep saying that the Cameron Coalition is a right wing government….it’s nothing of the sort….Cameron is a LIBERAL Conservative even more on the left ofg the Tory party than Heath was…to compare it to Nazi Germany …..RFLMAO

    • 34
      Moussey Koussey says:

      If it somes from Anonnymouse, it must be true. Clean sheets please.

  3. 3
    Gordon Brown says:

    I am writing a poem but i am having difficulty rhyming bell end

    • 20
      Nurse Botha says:

      I don’t think staring at it is going to provide the necessary inspiration, is it dear? Please tuck it away before The Ladies come down for their tea.

    • 45
      Euripides says:

      U-bend, if you’re really stuck, mate. You’d be surprised at the number of times that’s got me out of a total blockage.

    • 51
      OK - we gettin somewhere now says:

      We once has a PM called Prudence
      Wot sold all our gold for a few pence
      The guy woz a bell end
      More nous in the u-bend ,
      You’d find after shittin ur brains out .*

      *Last line needs tweakin , I thinks .

      Anon x .

      • 57
        Expat Geordie says:

        No. Seems absolutely perfect to me.


      • 59
        another admirer says:

        Personally speaking, I forgive you for jamming the final line; In my opinion, the whole poem holds together rather well, E.
        However, the greater joy, for me, was hearing the lilt of your tongue and the squeak of your voice once more.
        Indeed, it was the perfect fillip on this beautifully sunny, early-Autumnal evening: birdsong, if you like.

        • 63
          My Other Van's A Comma says:

          Great guesswork with the punctuation. It almost looks as though you knew what you were doing.

          • another admirer says:

            Agreed. For me, punctuation is completely ambiguous and, therefore, something to be played with. I’m afraid, for me, it is too late in life to learn the ins and outs of the whole minefield and, therefore, I shall continue to bung in a colon here and a semi there whenever it takes my fancy.

          • My Other Van's A Comma says:

            Fair dos. Speak to ßilly: I hear he gets a semi when his colon gets bunged.

          • another admirer says:

            Can I be arsed?
            ++Heads Up++ Cousin Hannah Russell in ParaPool very soon.

          • My Other Van's A Comma says:

            Thanks. I’ll tune in. She’s a star of the future.

          • another admirer says:

            4th. British record. Very close for the bronze.

    • 79
      Gordon Brown says:

      You mere people completely misunderstand me. This tune is playing on my iPod 24 hours, seven days a week, isn’t it Sarah, my little beardy one?

  4. 4
    Moussa Koussa says:

    “hope is that a trickle down effect will spread from central government across the public sector”

    You have to laugh. Two threads ago, this crackdown on , so called, Pilgrams was set in stone, ready to be rolled out….within 20 minutes it has now become a “HOPE, requiring a “TRICKLE”.

    Why bother Guido. U -turn within 6 months.

    • 10
      SP4BS says:

      Hope … Trickle. Crack down. hope … trickle.

      looking forward to a good friday night Moousy?

    • 11
      Labour voters are 'tards says:

      It’s PILGRIM you ignoramous! Get an education – ooops sorry, you aint got a brain cell have you? Poor sod.

      • 84
        smoggie says:

        If he had had an education he wouldn’t be an armchair socialist or a useful idiot, one who does the donkeywork for his betters to assume the rewards.

        Pathetic twat.

    • 12
      Wotta Tossa says:

      Just returned from a liquid lunch, Tossa ?

    • 121
      Marion the cat says:

      Do you get paid for doing this?. otherwise it is such a waste of your life.

  5. 6
    • 119
      Mike hunt says:

      so you think it is right for the obviously well to be signed off on the sick for ever without than ever being checked?

  6. 8
    Julie D ov 'aringey says:

    no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no NO

    I’ll have to teach.

  7. 13
    Lord Ashcroft says:

    “Why should the taxpayer pick up the tab to pay for Bankers and Hedge Fund operators to lobby for more taxpayers money”

    Quite so,quite so.

  8. 14
    David Allen says:

    Disingenuous comment: “Recently Rachel Reeves MP (Lab, Leeds West), asked what the practical difference was between one person spending all their time on Union work and two people spending 50% of their time. The cost to the taxpayer is the same” The difference DOES matter! And the problem is not just the headline cost of these pilgrims… Ideally, unions would pay all their staff themselves, but if that can’t be achieved because of the coalition, then at least it should be limited to ’1 day a week max per person’. The current saystem means the taxpayer pays for a full-time union/Labour party activist to campaign against the Tories willy nilly–and creates gold-plated parachutes out of the classroom/hospital for relatives/lovers/mates of the local Left Establishment. Smash up that cosy arrangement, send the freeloading activists back to the classroom (if they can find it). ’1 day a week’ pilgrims are far more likely to spend that day on genuine union work of the sort facilities time was conceived for.

    • 31
      Archer Karcher says:

      The idea that the taxpayer pays a single penny to a trade union representative is frankly absurd.
      What next, window cleaners demanding money from you, for cleaning someone elses windows?

      • 85
        smoggie says:

        No it isn’t. He’s made his point, you ain’t.

        • 99
          Blog historian says:

          smoggie is a third rate 81lly and a rate AC1 – he is desperate to be part of the gang but is still an outsider – he is more sad that either of them

  9. 16
    Old Tory Bigot says:

    That photo of “The Public” seems horribly white Guido.

    Where’s the diversity old chap? No dusky hued bretheren, not even a hijab! None of them seem in any way differently-abled either. Shocking.

    You can get into trouble for this kind of thing you know.

    • 30
      IQ 105.1 says:

      Either you need a visit to Specsavers or the fellow, centre, has had a spray-tan

    • 33
      Lord Cocklesoup says:

      Also, those whities are dressed in slobbish leftie attire. I would much rather have my public dressed in Savile Row suits and McQueen dresses. Right wingers are known for their exquisite dress sense!

      • 39
        Living in 98 percent white Merseyside says:

        Didn’t Degsie have a Saville Row tailor?

      • 48
        Old Tory Bigot says:

        Actually it’s the preening pseudo-intellectual left that are renowned for their obsession with dress and fashion.

        All high-end fashinistas (designers, critics, commentators and ultimately consumers) are invariably upper-middle-class snobs.

    • 82
      Ivor Tapeworm says:

      er…. the “public” in the photo are in fact Unison protesters.

  10. 19
    David Starkey, Looks Good In Khaki says:

    Look, it’s fairly obvious what the problem is. At some point, these men of the trade unions just stopped wearing khaki suits, and it’s been downhill from there.

    In Wolsey’s day, anyone not wearing khaki on the third Friday of the month (Gregorian calendar) would be publicly-flogged, then hung, drawn and quartered. In those times, success was rewarded properly but failure came at a high price.

    That’s what we need nowadays. Men with dress sense and a willingness to dress in khaki.

    • 21
      John Prescott says:

      Shut yer trap, yer big suthern gay jessie!

      I’m sick of all this constipation about the unions. It’s the unions that start-up for woking persons and always have done and always will and as Ed said the other day carryiing-forward what Gordon said it is about the Age of Change and making sure we have a new dynamo going forward with this to bring the equaliser into the lifes of woking men and woman who need it and they need to vote Labour now but in the end the people will decider because that’s how the systemitic works for us all.

    • 26
      Ging gang gooley gooley watcha ging gang goo ging gang goo says:

      What has the Boy Scout Movement got to do with it ?

  11. 25
    Anonymous says:

    You are absolutely right. The less we see of unions in public service the better. It handicaps the private sector in the battle for outsourcing contracts, as they dont need to bear that burden. Atos and G4S should not be inhibited by the opinion of union members. The private sector has clearly benefitted from a culture in which unions are discouraged, especially in banking and journalism, where union scrutiny might have hindered the creation of wealth and the incisive journalism of the News of the World. And of course look at how the presence of union members on the boards in german companies has stifled german growth.
    But I wonder whats in it for you…why do you care about this so much? Whose tune are you whistling?

    • 35
      Archer Karcher says:

      Personally, I could not care less if people are stupid enough to join a union or be led by the nose by marxist tossers.
      What I do object to is unions expecting me to pay for their members.
      Organise away comrades, but in your time and with your fcuking own money.

      Keep your thieving hands out of my wallet.

      • 42
        Living in 98 percent white Merseyside says:

        The British people are stupid enough to do a lot of things. That’s why we’ve gone down the cr*apper.

      • 82
        J.Edgar Electrolux says:

        Look they do fuck all anyway; if it isn’t union work they’ll still be there poncing about.The idea that anybody is going to be made redundant, though laudable, is unrealistic. I was going to say laughable but didn’t want the thrust of my argument to be diminished by over flowery language and my sounding like a poof.

  12. 27
    Archbishop of Canterbury says:

    Will nobody rid us of these dreadful pilgrims?

    • 91
      Blowing Whistles says:

      They are and have been an essential part of the zioloon agenda – who control both sides [idiot fools] of the warring factions – hey geezer have you worked it out yet?

    • 105
      The Plymouth Colony Governing Board says:

      Send them over, could ye– we can ever use a few more. Such ones as that wish to work, mark ye well! Not those of indolent mien, as that Jane person; ’tis a blot on the word “Pilgrim” she did ever have that name, by Jesu! We do welcome those which are prepared to bust their arses; we have some serious business to attend to, and shall not tolerate layabouts!

      • 108
        ho hum says:

        Thuswise and herewith a brief historical reference:

        Said the Pilgrim fathers: “A land of plenty”.
        Scene: America, 1620.

        That’s how to teech histry innit.

  13. 32
    Labourunionsbbc we are one says:

    I tought there was someting behind the early morning Bbbc news about Unite and a winter of strikes.

    They are like cornerd rats.

  14. 36
    Living in 98 percent white Merseyside says:

    We pick up the tag for MP’s expenses so why not trade unions as well.

    • 41
      IQ 105.1 says:

      As of June 2009, an estimated 91.0 per cent of Liverpool’s population was White British, 3.0 per cent Asian or Asian British, 1.9 per cent Black or Black British, 2.0 per cent mixed-race and 2.1 per cent Chinese and other.[2]

      • 43
        IQ 105.1 says:

        I think you may mean Woolton

      • 47
        Living in 98 percent white Merseyside says:

        But Knowsley, Sefton, Wirral and St Helens are all 98.5% white. Liverpool has always had visible minorities such as Europe’s oldest black and Yemeni communities and one of the oldest Chinese.

      • 53
        Living in 98 percent white Merseyside says:

        Come to think of it your figures were published in The Guardian. You obviously believe what they say.

        • 55
          IQ 105.1 says:

          Wikipedia accctulie.

          • Living in 98 percent white Merseyside says:

            Wikipedia is notorious for containing inflated figures thanks to people making amendments. Never tried it myself but I believe it’s easy.

  15. 38
    IQ 105.1 says:

    Trade union membership has fallen below six million for the first time since the 1940s.

    There are now 5.98 million members of TUC-affiliated unions, which is fewer than half the number just 30 years ago.

    The TUC blames the fall on job cuts in the public sector.

    • 40
      Old Tory Bigot says:

      Fucking good!

    • 50
      Scallywag says:

      I guess it’s got nothing to do with the huge disappointment amongst the workforce with the Trade Union leaders. What a bunch of daftarse dinosaurs thay are and it’s now totally obvious even to the blind and deaf…

      • 92
        Blowing Whistles says:

        But have the thickest of the thick in the US unions twigged that they too have been duped by the travellers / Commies / zioloons / Teamsters – oh cfuking please…

      • 94
        Blowing Whistles says:

        It serves the corporatist’s “as well” as it serves the commies – to have and ‘perpetuate a division’ amongst the masses …. wake up to the ruse.

        Who the F do you think are the controlling duping monsters behind it all?

  16. 46
    Sir William Waad says:

    Make the trough ever so slightly shallower, I say.

  17. 49
    Scallywag says:

    Pilgrims could be outlawed overnight if Dave & Co had any backbone, so don’t hold your breath…

    • 64
      Labourunionsbbc we are one says:

      Yes but if/when the pocket unite man gets elected next time, they would be back with a vegance. You know how petty lefties can be, they would want to rub everyone’s nose in it by quadrupling the numbers and put them on tripple time.

  18. 52
    ToonBob... says:

    British passport holders or British?

    • 60
      Expat Geordie says:

      Makes no difference in this case – it’s because it happened in France. Would have gotten the same coverage if it had happened in Spain, Greece, Cyprus or Florida.

      Legal punishment of British and British passport holders abroad does get covered differently though. The Indian who was executed by the Chinese a few years ago for drug smuggling got a lot of coverage, yet a white man from the Isle of Wight hanged for murder in Singapore was mainly covered as a local news story on the south coast. Americans with British passports on death row tend to get more coverage as well, although that could be down to the anti-Americanism at the BBC.

  19. 58
    keredybretsa says:

    The time has come to flush the toilet!!!!

  20. 61
    Saffron says:

    Trade unions collect subs,if they want full time union asshole shit stirring reps particularly in the public sector,then they should pay for them out of the subs.
    The money they don’t spend doing this,where does it go other than contributions to red Ed and his gang,also this scam of union modernisation cash needs a good coat of looking at.

  21. 73
    robbie says:

    this is still scratching the surface of huge public sector over-funding of union activists in the public services.

    eg Try and find out how many public sector HR depts are almost exclusively fully unionised. Must make negotiations on pay and conditions especially difficult and protracted.

    • 109
      ho hum says:

      It does – which is why the govt should move to local negotiating rather than national negotiating of terms and conditions – and pay rates.

  22. 74
    Iqbal Patel says:

    40 weeks suspended for 18 months is the going punishment for torturing kids these days! So fill your boots everybody! Grab one and start torturing now!

  23. 75
    Meanwhile says:

    Teachers in England and Wales have voted to go on strike over what they are calling the “erosion” of their pay and working conditions.

    The National Union of Teachers (NUT) said that 82.5% of the members who voted were in favour of walkouts. The turnout was 27%.

    So 22 % – sack the fuckers now. The rest should go for moaning about their little dears FAILING their exams. A fine example of piss poor teaching and teachers.

  24. 77
    Gordon Brown says:

    I rely on reading toilet pan splatter to decide upon whether to have chuckie egg and chuckie or chuckie egg and beans for breakfast.

    • 81
      Nurse Botha says:

      Yes, Mr. Brown. Your bottomnul-ejections haven’t gone completely unnoticed by The Ladies, have they dear? Nurse is going to administer a healthy dose of fibre into whichever orifice is pointing at her in the morning.

      • 86
        Trust me, I'm a freelance proctologist says:

        I have always found that a hemp doormat rolled up tight and driven well home with a mallet does the trick.

      • 111
        Dr Darekil says:

        Nurse, perhaps weyou should try quick-setting cement instead.

  25. 87
    Trust me, I'm a freelance proctologist says:

    I have always found that a hemp doormat rolled up tight and rammed well home with a mallet does the trick.

  26. 93
    Saffron says:

    I agree with meanwhile.
    Yes we have piss poor left wing bedwetter so called teachers who are for instance led by the primary union called the National Union of Teachers,how appropriate that they are called NUT’s.
    This bunch of left wing bedwetters are a disgrace to teaching,Gove to me is on the right track in that he wants to show up these bedwetters as to what they really are.
    Educational standards in this country are shit,why oh why have we dropped so much recently.
    Could it be that rather than achieving excellence we have dumbed down exams in the pursuit of which school can come highest in the table.
    My advice is:-MAKE EXAMS AS RIGOROUS AS THEY USED TO BE,and if teachers can’t cope with this,tell em to look for another job.

    • 96
    • 100
      Hey, Steve says:

      Actually, I was quite surprised at how clued-up my nephew is on the whole world bollocks stuff.
      He’s just arrived at “big school” for a secondary dose of bullshit and may well go on to university for more of the same.
      How does that sit with you; a person who has money, went to uni, thinks philosophy is important, regards himself as ‘intelligent’, had to urban-dick ‘innie’ and relies upon Google to keep himself fresh?

      As my primary school head master said to my mother: “You can knock it out of them, Mrs. Botha, but you can’t put it back in.”

      Or was it the other way around? Who cares?

    • 117
      a teacher says:


  27. 102
    Fog Horn with a Beak says:

    Rachel Reeves is the UK version of Foghorn Leghorn.

    “That boy’s so dumb, he thinks a Mexican boarder pays rent.”

  28. 104
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Where the fukc is the so called intellectual fat cat ex-banker when it’s all going down? He’s probably wanching himself off over Cameron Diaz. The twat who can only ‘see’ half of the picture. Dohh!

  29. 106
    Dear Ewa**e says:

    And why the fuck not?

  30. 110 says:

    Boris-mania, my arse.

    Admittedly this is not a representative sample but it is a good clue that if even the people of North London don’t want Boris then why would the rest of the country?

    • 113
      Lou Scannon says:

      Question is, why would anyone want any of the proven thieves and liars ?
      Let’s face it, Cameron scraped into power primarily because he wasn’t Gordon, not because of his policies. If he hadn’t fooled so many of us by suggesting that he might give us a referendum on the EU then he wouldn’t have got in at all.
      We have a similar situation here – Cameron has proved to us all that he’s a complete arsehole so how could Boris possibly be any worse than Cameron ?
      And so far, at least, the TV cameras have been kind to Boris who has a certain je ne sais quoi about him.

  31. 114
    investigate please says:

    800 people ‘work’ in the Department of Agriculture in Northern Ireland.
    Seriously, 800 of them, and at a cost of untold millions they are to be moved to a new purpose built facility 70 miles from Belfast.
    This is a scandal.

    • 115
      Sir William Waad says:

      The aim of the Department for the Eradication of Farming and Rural Affairs is to have more computer jockeys than there are farmers. (The Ministry of Defencelessness are the pioneers in this field). They think this is a perfectly effective way to manage an economy.

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