August 30th, 2012

Sir Rhodes Boyson RIP


  1. 1
    Kebab Time says:

    Your either in front of guido or behind.

    Just sayin >

  2. 2
    Andrew says:

    Indeed. A splendid man.

  3. 3
    Crazy Tony says:

    eh, I watched this earlier too!!!!!! What an top bloke. RIP.

  4. 4
    UKIP or Bust says:

    Just read his Wiki article. What a sound gent. No room for his sort in Cameron’s freakshow, though.

  5. 5

    I read Chicco Time before Kebabtime

  6. 6
    Fuck 'em All says:

    A man who didn’t know the difference between 1/4 and an 1/8th

  7. 7
    Technomist says:

    I once had the pleasure of meeting Sir Rhodes. He was very kind and extremely smart.

  8. 8
    Forkbender says:

    Guido this was announced hours ago, come on up to speed

  9. 9
    ed martin says:

    was he related to t’North’s other gift to education- Sir Wackford Squeers (not to mention his comely daughter Britney)?

  10. 10
    Pay Attention At The Back says:

    Boyson always reminded me of the no-nonsense old-school ex-army teacher at my grammar school in Enfield who turned me around from failing maths O level to getting an A grade – in one year.

  11. 11
    twitatwat says:

    Never heard of him

  12. 12
    BBC editor says:

    We won’t be showing anything of Mia Love’s speech a the Republican Conference. Don’t search for it on youtube.

    Also we won’t be talking about the democrats who vandalised her wiki entry with racism.

  13. 13
    Old Tory Bigot says:

    I believe Mr Charles Dickens based his Thomas Gradgrind character on the late Sir Rhodes Boyson (1822 – 2012)

    Critics at the time said it was a gross exageration and a far-fetched sterotype.

    Hard times indeed.

  14. 14
    Old Tory Bigot says:

    If you’re not in front of Guido then you’re mile behind.

  15. 15
    Old Tory Bigot says:

    He reminded me of the sort of Victorian Northern Industrialist that would gladly send armies of small boys up chimneys.

    Perhaps I misjudged the man – then again perhaps not.

  16. 16
    ed martin says:

    he reminded me of Rhodes Boyson

  17. 17

    Right in every detail! And indeed, it is a freak show.

  18. 18
    alli g says:

    Coz u iz a ignoran faacka innit

  19. 19
    Dr Simon Baron-Cohen says:

    Now that you’re making all this money, Cousin Sacha, do you suppose you could slip me a few bob for my research, into your condition of Asperger’s Syndrome, which I got into because of you? Not trying to lay a guilt trip, you understand. (Hold on, that’s part of your problem, innit, not knowing how and when to have the proper emotions– where WAS my mind for those fleeting seconds?)

  20. 20
    alli g says:

    yeh man u misjudjed da man an ur perception of the industrial revolution is absoutely risible. Comprehensive school education clearly..innit

  21. 21
    genghiz the kahn says:

    You believe kids should be caned even in school?”


  22. 22
    Pointless Question, - but I'll ask it says:

    What did happen to those (I think) wonderful ex-WW2 Navy, RAF, and Army teachers?

    I was taught by men from all three Services, + 2 Commandos – Commandos who stood for no nonsense and gave credit where it was due.

    ‘Prizes for all’ would mean nothing to them. Prizes for endeavour, – possibly, – but it had better be hard.

  23. 23 says:

    Much better nowadays where kids can smoke and get cancer or take drugs and go mental or drink alcohol and die early of liver disease. And learn fuck all.

  24. 24
    Check out dem fookin sideburns says:

    Is/was he related to Bradley Wiggins?

  25. 25
    Old Tory Bigot says:

    So I take it you think that sending small boys up chimneys would be a progressive move then?

    God forbid they should enjoy the pleasures of alchohol. Might take the edge of their work.

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    South of the M4 says:

    Topically, he started the ball rolling selling off school playing fields.

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    Anonymous says:

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    Blowing Whistles says:

    There have been some very dubious doings going on at Bridgend in South Wales what with many kids ‘oddly’ committing suicide … perhaps the lunatics at the Tavistock Institute have taken over the asylum. Do please search and trawl the net for further facts including published into the public domain – e.g. Daily Express (Published articles & on the web) Re: Bridgend Suicides / Dr Tegwyn Williams.

  29. 29
    Anonymous says:

    I don’t know about reports that Clegg should be replaced before the next election but there is no doubt in my mind that Cameron should. Time for the men in suits to move. The Tories, believe me, are in for a right drubbing if him and Osbourne remain. Dither and drift, that’s all they are! They must go!

    If not, you can safely say, he will be responsible for the return to power of Labour!

    You have been warned.

  30. 30
    ed martin says:

    yes – most uneven – but is this a feature of goat life in general?

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    People who got caned speld betta than them that didernt..innit bruv says:

    edge of (sic) their work….ahh ..the Blair years

  32. 32
    People who got caned speld betta than them that didernt..innit bruv says:

    they need to get rid of George Osborne too…..

  33. 33
    A Prick Posing as PM says:

    Now listen up you jolly chaps!!! Guido is very keen on betting and bringing you odds. Well, here’s from the horse’s mouth – what? Lay ALL your available betting money on ME to win the next GE! What?

    I give you my word, – and I think you can trust me by now …. and for all my fans who like to know that I’m committed to renewables, – why yes, – go out! – spend! – buy a new kitchen! … bathroom .. anything to use water . . . helps the economy, passes money to my chums in the utilities, and maintains the idea that we’re in drought . . . what? And – I hear you murmur, – has he inquired of the wattage? Yes . . . what’s the Wind Farm wattage toady?

  34. 34
    A Prick Posing as PM says:

    That was dashed well meant for jolly no #29! – this keyboard thingy is terribly off form! What!

  35. 35
    m'Lard Prizeclot, searching for the mobile and finding the remote says:

    Ya daft bugga! – bit of Layba would do you lot good! How am I gonna order me first supper ffs wivout me mobile!

  36. 36
    Suicide Watch(er) says:

    Oh – are you a Tavi man? – in that case I think you’ll find many reasons, – bar the obvious.

  37. 37
    ALERT!! says:

    Nicotine Nazis are in the house!

  38. 38
    Qwerty says:

    I’d have loved to have seen his MP expenses during the 80’s

  39. 39
    Qwerty says:

    **** NEWS FLASH ****

    Another Murdoch Mong detained, 2nd this week.

    Oh dear

  40. 40
    Some Twat up North says:

    Any barristers on here that want to take on the DWP pro bono?

  41. 41
    Qwerty says:

    Bonkers Boyson was one of the strongest opponents towards rights for homosexuals.

    You may all agree with this stance, but don’t tell Guido, as most of Guido media and political chums are all gay. Dale, Mo*ley C*ole, etc etc

  42. 42
    Qwerty says:

    Reality Check **** Boyson = Crap Career MP in a once safe Tory seat. Most famous for his facial hair….nuff said

  43. 43
    Blowing Whistles says:

    To Sui M – get – your FTAC’s in order pillock. Ref Haringey, Barnet & Enfiled NHS trusts. Go to creep. And what of so19? huh!

  44. 44
    Anonymous says:

    I’m waiting for that demented old bitch Thatcher to drop dead (hopefully of some vile and agonising) I suppose I’ll have to consider this a teaser.

  45. 45
    Qwerty says:

    Any chance of a Tom Sheridan thread…LOL some how I dont think so !!!!!!

  46. 46
    Tedious wanker alert says:

    Gosh, you are a nonconformist aren’t you?

  47. 47
    Qwerty says:

    …..and most of the Tory party are also secretly wishing she pops off soon….a few days distraction would be welcome.

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    Eeyore says:

    Slightly selective description, don’t you think?

    An imperfect memory tells me that Sir Rhodes was a distinguished teacher, rising to be head of one of the (then) new comprehensives, which he ran with distinction – and along lines that the wishy-washy tendency have now been forced to acknowledge are effective. (Discipline! Uniforms! Quel horreur!)

    Then he became a junior education minister and held other ministerial posts. (If I’ve got any of this wrong, my apologies to his shade and to fellow conspirators: corrections welcomed.)

    I recall him as an early advocate of Education Vouchers, a system for – gasp, cue horror from teachers’ unions and local authorities – allowing parents to take their children to the school of their choosing. To her eternal shame, in my view, Mrs Thatcher failed to back him in this.

    Compare that to the the unworthy comment: ‘Reality Check **** Boyson = Crap Career MP in a once safe Tory seat. Most famous for his facial hair….nuff said’.

    But, like others, he was made a fool of by Ali G.

  49. 49
    Anonymous says:

    It’s not nice when someone dies.

  50. 50
    Anonymous says:

    You sound frustrated. Are you a loser?

  51. 51
    Gaylord says:

    He visited my school when an education minister and was very impressive. As an employer I am increasingly underwhelmed by the products of the current education system. If only today’s generation of politiians had his grip on what works…

  52. 52
    Lord Kinnochio of Brussels says:

    Frankly, if I had to live in Bridgend I’d top myself too.

  53. 53

    Very much in the vein of R G Collingwood, whose antagonism to scientific psychology was notorious, Rhodes Boyson spoke of mindless sociologists. He even said in 1978 …it has not gone unnoticed that crime has increased parallel with the number of social workers.

    Yet another politician who should have been listened to. Instead we wrote him off.

  54. 54
    David Starkey, Looks Good In Khaki says:

    I enjoyed Sir Rhodes on several occasions. As a fellow Lancastrian, like me he was very down-to-earth but at the same time a bit of a twat!

  55. 55
    8illy's Chocolate Starfish says:

    It’s pointless, for every time a Thatcher dies another one grows in its place.

  56. 56
    SFB says:

    Not nice! It’s fucking horrendous.

  57. 57
    Zxcvbnm says:

    Labour lost, get over it!

  58. 58
    Larry says:

    Oh look, a mutton chopped pufter!

  59. 59
    Joe says:

    Now that’s what I’d call my band if I ever started one.

  60. 60
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Lord Kinnochio – you don’t live in Bridgend – I do wish that you and your family would top yourselves. However you do live in an EU bubble and guess what ….. it’s been burst – albeit that you and your fellow travellers have not come to terms with it.

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    Olf Tory Bigoy says:

    Fuck off you spastic. I was 42 when Blair slimed his way into power.

    Correct spelling is a relative concept on the web.

  62. 62
    Lez says:

    Just proves what a sad bastard you are.

  63. 63
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Indeed – but who might be the ‘at arms length’ and as always ‘behind the scenes’ $tring-puller$ – your friendly neighbourhoody socialist commie marxist Zioloons?

  64. 64
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Was General Patton – shit on by his own politicians – who had other hidden agendas and greater busine$$ interests to deal with?

  65. 65
    Guardian says:

    good point

  66. 66
    not a machine says:

    Re NN met university discussion , so £36mn went to places that may or may not have been filled by people , so what about all these other bogus colledges that have been shut down , were they doing the same thing ??
    What proportion of the supposed 500,000 illegals have come through this way ?? How much tax payers money went to these colledges that have shut down ?? when did it start ??

  67. 67
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Did ‘we write him off’ or did a pitifully suborned “not” free press – just smear as they do?

    Governments do tend to use the ‘we’ word as a catch all – to ‘endear’ themselves [As is spinning and duping] to an unsuspecting [Largely stoopid predominantly Labour neanderthals] public. And a suspect press tend to do what they are told for the better of their career futures … it’s all part of the ‘game’ – where the general public are actually considered as ‘fair game’. Ho hum. Only – this time round “they’re” not going to win. [Conceal their wrongdoing]

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  69. 69
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Starkey – the fork-tongued one … indeed the ohmo’s have several bases covered. But there are areas of history which he really, really doesn’t want to talk about. Gulags and how the omho’s have been used for so many decades for their one eyed agenda.

  70. 70
    Great British Public says:

    We’re all waiting for the same fate to befall you, too.

  71. 71
    Incapable Vince says:

    I’m not on manoeuvres, I’m simply constipated…

  72. 72
    Useless Fucker Spotter says:

    Lots on here 3night!

    Is there a ‘I fuck my wife as a normal man’ pressure group?

    Thought not.

    All benders and weirdos.

    And we pay their f*****g benefits!

  73. 73
    Prove it says:

    Prove to me – and any other reasonably cogent human being – that the ‘Met’ is not an upgraded money-wasting pretentious Poly.

    And I’ll ask you – justify, – just do it FFS – how they justify all the non-jobs – the mealy-mouthed muzzy placating tossers, the ‘Diversity’ Co-ordinators and all the other crap jpbs that are filled at great expense and no bloody use.

    And if Guido’s modbot don’t like this – well fuck it!

  74. 74
    Anthony Hopkins says:

    He reminded me of my role as President John Quincy Adams in the film Amistad.

  75. 75
    Prove it says:

    Cameron – you utterly contemptible twat! – you conniving scheming good-for-nothing tosspot, – go find a suitable PR post in the gutter – where you belong.

    Mark you, it had better be a rich man’s gutter, – such as found in the stinking environs of ‘Theatre’ Land – or the phantasm of the ‘West’ end.

  76. 76
    not a machine says:

    Well you have a point , I am just trying to get my head around , how/why Labour manged to run this waste of tax payers money , without a alarm from civil service … This is a bit of new one in terms of incompetence . I mean the overall figure could be 100s of £mns , just gone on a complete lack of proper process . I mean you dont have to be a genius to be thinking , mmmm so where did this money go to then , pockets of said colleges ! I mean if you have a scheme of 40% extra revenue than your using , its not a bad income. So were these recruitment centres abroad for these bogus colledges also tax payer funded .

    I know the coalition cracked on with closing these bogus colledges fairly quickly , but this has all the hallmarks of a long running racket , which by enlarge the public has been completely unaware of .

    I totally disagreed with comment that bogus students , working did not affect jobs for the legitimate workers in that age group , of course it affects those jobs , as if they are not at college they may be doing daytime work and not the useual evening/weekend work that students do.

  77. 77
    not a machine says:

    Given that Lord Shotoak has caused so much of Nick Cleggs strange policy orbit problems , I find his position rather funny .They have played a funny hand for some time , it was there choice.

  78. 78
    Prove it says:

    There is, – and I confess to being slightly sober now and therefore at a disadvantage, – only one way, – no, – two ways to prove the incomparable mendacity and PC-mealy-mouthed arse-licking intrigue and incompetence of these useless self-serving fuckers:

    !. Read the minutes of the ‘meetings’ = always bloody meetings, – so many fucking meetings of no consequence or worth! – and, if poss, attend one for as long as you can without going insane #

    2. Watch the fuckers actually TRY to do the job they are purported to be good at. For instance watch a ‘teacher’ teach, – a manager ‘ manage’

    3. Take strong sedation and / or anti-emetics to overcome the effect.

    But enough, – to bed! or bottle! – or both!

  79. 79
    Gordon Brown says:

    I was Right,

    I am Right

    I always will be.

  80. 80
    'Gypsy' Dave Cooper says:

    He was a top bloke and anyone who says otherwise is a twat.

  81. 81
    THe Greased Weasel says:

    and a social worker.

  82. 82
    Gordon Brown says:

    Who will fill my nappy when I die ?

  83. 83
    Clotheth-pegth Я Uth says:

    As ever, the Deputy Prime Twat is in office solely to make the Prime Twat look good by comparison.

  84. 84
    Chicken Little says:

    Rhodes silenced, dead.

  85. 85
    not a machine says:

    For some time I have perhaps blogged and commented with Ebb abd Flow of certain polices and politics , Guido has done a good job in allowing a space where a bit more freedom is allowed in the new media as it developed . Your useually asked to start yer own blogg if you venture into monlogues which is fair enough .

    Perhaps we have poor attention spans these days , but bringing about the end of the most corrupt UK Labour governments , was always a major driver in my whole approach .They have left this country broke and with a major dose of future problems . 2 yrs have passed the coalition has done some very good things , and the PM has faced some difficult moments , which have been managed fairly well . In that sense I am pleased to have played my part in defeating the spin on legacy of a previous goverment that has sent a very large number of people down the shitter , who will no doubt find it hard to realise that who they voted as devourers of said wonk , have to deal with spending perhaps a decade in that shitter which labour has sent them to.

    I perhaps acknowledge that a coalition would always have unuseual wobbles and tensions , what I did not expect was a continuation of the patronage of the same professional political wonk that , got us into this mess . It is difficult for me to understand that this newish landscape still can behave like a rolling growth pattern , when there is so much debt and so many ways of not repairing properly what has gone wrong .

    They may well say , I have no right to offer scorn , when they say confidence is what we need . If only wealth was about confidence rather than management , of course when you shift the jobs market into high levels of unemployment (this happened under Labour with shifting and creating state claiments) , confidence becomes the diet and all the fretting about too much or too little .
    To me these are major differences about the country I call home that I grew up in , you expected your elites , to be there because they had worked the wonk out , knew what they were doing , not subject to silly and ruinous ideas as they had the sort of minds , that would not want a seam of failiure to run after they departed . Now we have the sort of merchants who go “gee shucks £40mn gone oh deary me, lets have a £2mn commison into it ” “I was not aware that department had no compliance supervison” , so it goes on.
    Well you would think it could go on and on because the remedy hasnt materialised , the coalition was an oppertunity to do somthing about it , alas that has become more of marital dispute useually bringing in the inlaws or hating there interference .

    The disciples of Aryn Rand , have had a long projection into shaping the world , you would be surprised at what systems they have developed and even what sort of people believe in the ideaology , its compelling as it equates so many motives in a desirable way , there is no negative or toxic waste in what they believe , no debts , no people shuffling around a system where , the upward is simply not avaialable in there area . It is of the mind and not the real position , it is an overlay which assumes you must move to its position as it is the right thing to do, it doesnt particulary require what you may think of as democracy .

    This picture is at first confusing , as it is a process of replacement , it is perhaps the end result which is the more interesting question , which the likes of Orwell and Huxley pondered .

    So here we are , the fading Obama poster on the wall , the slightly fading poster of Nick and Dave in the rose garden , $16trn of debt for the new USA president to inherit , £1.5 trn by the end of the coalition if it makes it to 2015, 2trn Eur in the eurozone , and all we supposedly need is confidence and growth …..

    The one piece of Robert Hughes TV that got me interested in him , was his look at the Nazis and Albert Speers designs on Germania , the perfect City . he sat on the stones of the stadium ,pondering how much Goebbles would be impressed upon discovering that such cheap stone had been used in its construction and how many decades on it was just crumbling away.

    Quite wether cheapening the vote (and the imperative to educate to its value) is analogus to what has gone wrong , will be for the disciples of Aryn Rand to lament .

    Capitalism (of the sort Adam Smith wrote) refelects so much about truths in life , effort , education , laws and responsibility , you worked for it , it worked for you , transparent , properly governed . It perhaps never had a thought about what happens when you turn and have to divert resources to spin , how unbalanced the economy becomes. When you have an economy spending on things as transiant as human thoughts , your bound to have debts as you are not trading anything tangible or managing markets or legislature properly , yet spending like a drunk on pay day.

    I am still weighing up what the ending looks like , wanting to see if (as I expect) the EU to have to explain its failiure , despite having bns in spending and lavish spin and pompous elites .We are perhaps in some sort of hybrid era , i dont like the look of it, they call it a personal view , but if your one of the swankey elite on 200k a week it probebly looks diiferent , deserved even , even if you dont have to go to the god forsaken councils dysfunctionality and ghettos that the confidence just doesnt reach like they say it does and never did under Labour.

    So I have a choice , or at least I hope I do , if these crackpot discples of Aryn Rand are to see it as failiure through debt and corruption. But there we are back at the troubling problem “belief”

  86. 86

    The simple explanation is that he lost his seat in the 1997 Labour Landslide and never ran for election again.

    The underlying truth is that he was a Tory out of a most old-fashioned mould. One who believed in discipline and application. Alongside many other traditional practices, he wanted to bring back caning in schools.

    Blair’s extraordinarily demagogic enchantment of the mesmerised population brought about an attitude in the Conservative Party that the only way to beat Blair was for its leader to be more like him. On this basis, Hague and Howard were seen to be failures (IDS was just seen as a total failure) whereas Cameron was looked upon as ideal, ironically just as Blair’s unsustainable persona had itself eventually begun to crumble.

    In this sort of permissive-laissez faire environment, Boyson was never going to be invited back in. His time was up when measured against the prevailing zeitgeist.

    Several thoughts spring to mind:

    The public get the government that they deserve.
    You can fool enough of the people for enough of the time.
    Political parties, like banks, will embrace a style at the precise moment it has actually run out of fashion.
    Democracy serves us least well at those times when our leaders have already run us into a abyss.

  87. 87
    not a machine says:

    The value of honesty through time ………..

    memo to CEO , the Bullshit business is now encountering much lower returns , I know we wont actually ever run out of bullshit , but I think its fair to say , all the quality stuff worked in the Labour years , when the people had no idea about its true value.

    It makes sense to me , people should do there job properly , but the cockwaffle market grew so big under Labour , they fell over what they swept under the carpet .

  88. 88
    not a machine says:

    Romney/Ryan I thought went ok , still 2 months to go , although everyone thinks it is a straightforward contest , just have to see how Obama plays it and how he explains away , what is a feel of not being a very good president .I am surprised that most Americans havent rumbled the horrible effects of debts , sure pair of hands or restorer of individual wealth , rather than compulsory increasing tax demand.

  89. 89

    He’s good for a fry up in the morning.

  90. 90
    smoggie says:

    It would be both cruel and bloody stupid to send large boys up chimneys; they’d get stuck.

  91. 91
    Anonymous says:

    An ignorant buffoon with some entertainment value.

  92. 92
    Anonymous says:

    If you’d care to translate that into English I might answer you.

  93. 93
    Anonymous says:

    I think his condition is more a result of the un-principles of Zi. onism than Aspergers…

  94. 94
    a non too says:

    A bit harsh on Polly but am in general agreement

  95. 95
    Vince Cable says:

    What if it’s me?

  96. 96
    Mr Batty O'Barmy says:

    Like I say to all ma many supporters and folks who trust me – watch how ma fritters fry! – and with the BBC in lil’ ol’ Unglandshire supporting me, where can I go wrong?

  97. 97
    m'Lard Prizeclot, between mouthfuls of fried egg sandwich says:

    stupid bugger! ‘oo would say that? – pass the salt love willyer?

  98. 98
    smoggie says:

    Qweerty is NuLabour. They even feel the need to smear the dead.

  99. 99
    Forkbender says:

    Poor old Cammers he does not seem to be satisfying anyone these days, poor little chap he is trying to satisfy all factions, satisfy the “left” of the Tory party and the right wing scream blue murder, it is all a bit reminiscent of the left-right fights in the Liebore party, the trouble with the right wing, Cammers is their best bet as far as the electorate are concerned, not good but the most acceptable, but the little chap is not doing what they want him to do. On the other hand Teddy Milliband is trying to keep the 2 strands of the Liebore party tied together he is also trying to satisfy both sides, whether he will succeed is a moot point, the Liebore party just seem to be drifting like that flotsam that floats and accumulates in dead parts of oceans. The LibDems are fractionalising one side the Clegg appreciation society and the get get Clegg out of here faction. What is the voter to think of this shower of politicos some who have become MPs because daddy was an MP, some who have not had a real job for more than a few months, an Oxbridge elite (this has been thrown at both major parties). The electorate, or at least those who register to vote, either don’t vote or we end up with some sort of coalition government, like it or not.

  100. 100
    Forkbender says:

    What’s a kebab not some foreign muck masquerading as food

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    Living in 98 percent white Merseyside says:

    Never heard of him until now.

  102. 102
    Living in 98 percent white Merseyside says:

    Just read his Wiki article. Bit of a nasty piece of work if you ask me.

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    Sensible chap says:

    I’m afraid they are long dead. I was taught by those men too. Only later did I discover their history, the maths master who had been behind the lines with the French resistance, another master who was a leader in the Radar project. And our old headmaster, who had a Military Cross from WWI. Great, civilised, modest and inspirational people.

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    J A Jones says:

    Boyson, my sons headmaster, great, would run around the school wearing a firemans helmet. He stressed by banging the table the school was for WORK, WORK. There will never be another!

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    And after considering your carefully crafted post... says:


  106. 106
    ed martin says:

    so you too agree – its all balls!

  107. 107
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Suppose you don’t want to mention your role in QBVII (Queens Bench Seven) then?

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    jimmy james and the blue flames says:

    gee whiz bob like far out

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    Who ate all the pe@s? says:

    Boring c’unt

  110. 110
    Eeyore says:

    And your point is?

  111. 111
    Archie says:

    Ali G. About as funny as toothache!

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