August 30th, 2012

IPPR Credibility Gone With the Wind

Earlier this month Guido showed how he who pays the IPPR calls the tune, and now it seems the Labour wonk-shop have been at it once again. Today they have published a report making the case for wind power. Apparently wind is an effective way of reducing carbon emissions and can provide a secure and reliable source of energy for the future. Who would argue such a thing?

Dig a little deeper and you will see that two of the three authors of the report are senior employees of GL Garrad Hassan:

It turns out that GL Garrad Hassan is an energy company that specialises in both onshore and offshore wind projects. As they boast on their website:

“GL Garrad Hassan is recognised worldwide as a provider of services at all stages of onshore and offshore wind projects. It has developed industry standard software products for onshore and offshore wind turbine and wind farm design.”

So we have the IPPR letting a wind energy company write a report on wind power, only for them to inexplicably find that wind is the way forward. Fancy that…


  1. 1
    Tom Tomos says:

    Putting the PR into IPPR.

  2. 2
    Raving Loon says:

    Have they been taking lessons from Tim Yeo?

  3. 3
    David Scameron says:

    I’m all wind…

  4. 4
    AC1 says:

    Subsidies for wind totems is literally taxing the air we breathe.

    Amazing considering wind totems make less power than is used to manufacture and place them (easily seen by looking at the costs). Wind totems are excellent news if you’re a politically connected rent-seeker and want 1000 quid a day of taxpayers earned money.

  5. 5
    harryg says:

    well, I am a global climate catastrophe skeptic but I like offshore wind power and think it could make a significant contribution to UK energy/electricity and security needs. that said, IPPR can fuck off

  6. 6
    Old Tory Bigot says:

    IIPC a “Labour Wonk Shop”?

    Can’t be! The BBC never mentioned it?

    The BBC always clearly point out the political leanings of (‘right wing’) thinktanks.

    You must be mistken Guido.

  7. 7
    Old Tory Bigot says:

    IIPC? IPPR obviously. The medication hasn’t kicked in yet.

  8. 8
    Forkbender says:

    Why not install one on parliament buildings, there lots of vacuous wind generated there

  9. 9
    annette curton says:

    IPPR – Institute for Public Policy Research
    Seeks to promote social justice, democratic participation, and economic and environmental sustainability in government policy.
    Ha, Ha, Ha. Ha. Har!.

  10. 10
    Rhodes Boyson RIP says:

    Boyson has rhode into the sunset.

  11. 11
    Clegg the Smeg says:

    It’ll all blow over.

  12. 12
    Eduardo Cojones says:

    What to you expect from a load of socialist farts!

  13. 13
    annette curton says:


  14. 14
    Lard Pressclott - Laughing Policeman in waiting says:

    Useless, foul wind.

  15. 15
    Smackhead Mensch says:

    Someone mention blow?

  16. 16
    AC1 says:

    IPCC is indistinguishable from IPPR.

  17. 17
    Sensible Person says:

    He did try to turn things around. And in his last days, he must have been encouraged to see Michael Gove at last beginning to do a bit of good despite the enemies in his department.

  18. 18
    The ginger twat from the loins of Major James Hewitt says:

    I’ll take a bushel.

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    annette curton says:

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    Joe OT says:

    Sky news reporting on a story of 2,600 foreign students to be deported in 60 days time. They see fit to have a Labour MP on a foreign student and a education bod who stated “They isn’t a problem with foreign students not leaving the UK and that the ones who didn’t and went on the run where very few in number.”


  21. 21

    Labour and Tories…you can’t put a windmill between them

  22. 22
    Turbine Tim says:

    Wind power is a scam as any fuel kno.

  23. 23
    Tomorrow's Chip Wrapper says:

    Preferred him(and that’s saying a LOT)in the “Girl from U.N.C.L.E”…although thankfully it only ran for one season despite starring Stephanie Powers(every teenage boys fantasy spy in the 60’s !!)

  24. 24
    smoggie says:

    One? What fucking use is one? You would need a hundred just to power the Speaker’s reading lamp.

  25. 25
    Tomorrow's Chip Wrapper says:

    Keith Vaz prominent on airwaves telling us that UKBA is acting irresponsibly and in a highhanded manner over this…..Quite right, Keith !!! After all the university was only issued a warning 6 months ago that this might happen in view of their poor record keeping etc…but what academic works in the “Long Vac” for goodness sake !!

  26. 26
    Roscoe Rules says:

    What we want for the UK is an energy mix when it comes to generating power.
    So that when the wind turbines don’t work we switch on the coal fired stations.
    Or when the wind doesn’t blow we can switch on the coal fired stations.
    Or when it snows we can switch on the coal fired stations.
    Or if demand is high we can switch on the coal fired stations.
    You see without this mix if we relied on wind turbines we would be pretty fucked.

  27. 27
    T Wat says:

    Is that you Garry?

  28. 28
    Gordon says:

    I’m an ill wind

  29. 29
    Fourth former says:

    He didn’t sign the front page of my Private Eye when I proffered it to him when he visited my school. Huffed and guffawed his way past me.

  30. 30
    Caroline Lucas says:

    We could power the whole of the UK on that for ever and ever ♬ la la la la la ♬

  31. 31
    Sleazy slog says:

    Does anyone else get that sickly feeling in the gullet whenever there is any mention of silk-cushions-on-expenses-for-me-Vaz?

  32. 32
    Mornington Crescent says:

    Or a solar panel under his arse, given so many Labourites think the sun shines out of it.

  33. 33
    I'm sure I read somewhere? says:

    Is it correct that the UK has enough coal to last it 400-500 years at current electricity consumption rates?

  34. 34
    Tom Tomos says:

    Nice one!

  35. 35
    W.Hill says:

    I’ll put money down Dave will U-Turn on it.

  36. 36
    Roscoe Rules says:

    Has the IPPR got shares in ‘Soylent Green’?

  37. 37
    AC1 says:

    Adding it all up, one must conclude that under the present conditions in the Netherlands a 100 MW (Megawatt) ‘name plate’ capacity wind development produces on average 23 MW because of the capacity factor. 4,6 MW (20%) of this has to be subtracted from the final net result because of initial energy investments. From the actual Statline production figures we know that 27% of this 23 MW = 6,17 MW represents the actual fossil fuel and CO2 savings. But from this figure we need to subtract the amount of energy invested in the construction works: 4,6 MW. The net total of fuel saving electricity provided by our windturbines therefore is 6,17 – 4,6 = 1,57 MW on average over the year. That is ~ 1,6% of the installed capacity. It makes wind developments a Mega money pit with virtually no merit in terms of the intended goal of CO2 emission reduction or fossil fuel saving.

  38. 38
    Red Ed says:

    …and I’m the piss that comes before.

  39. 39
    annette curton says:

    Not related to the Lucas-Batteries are you?.

  40. 40
    Index Finger says:

    Good point!

  41. 41
    SP4BS says:

    Sounds like something arthur scargill might have said.
    Most of that coal is probably pretty much impossible (*) to dig up.

    (*)OK perhaps just not at all profitable.

  42. 42
    Very Wealthy Wind Farm Gentry says:

    Tim, like Dave, is a long standing friend of my industry and as such deserves a seat on the board of every green energy company in the country.

    Failing that, get the family in on the scam on the quiet. There’s taxpayers money out there just waiting to be plucked from their pockets you know and Tim and Dave, are gallantly leading the way forward.

  43. 43
    keredybretsa says:

    Personally I’m a Baked Beans fan for the finest wind in town. Sounds all very dodgy these guys would say wind power is the future, because that is how they earn their money. If they argued against it they would be out of their jobs. They are certainly NOT independent, viewpoint deliverers.

  44. 44
    Old Grumpy says:

    Their GUESSTIMATES are based on “Design Capacity”. This is the theoretical maximum output of the actual electrical part of the generator.

    The problems with this are several, starting with what is known as the “Betz Limiter”. That is the practical limit of efficiency of ANY Turbine (the windy bit) which is just over 59%!

    Next consider whether the wind turbine can reach the rotational speeds, which will produce the “Design Output”!……… Well NO! Before then, the wind would destroy the turbine……….. a matter of the ratio between wind speed and the rotational velocity of the rotor tips……… (the NOISY bit)……..

    Add to that the need for a wind speed of about 20mph to produce minimal viable output and the whole thing becomes a bit of a pipe dream!………. After all, such windspeeds, in the UK, occur for only about 20% of the year and less than 5% of the year at heights of 30ft and below………

    So! What is the average efficiency of a wind turbine today?…….. about 46%…….

    46% of 20% equals 9.2%!……… and that’s yer lot! So where do they get the 17-22% availability of power?………STATISTICS ABUSE sir!…….. STATISTICS ABUSE!

  45. 45
    Roscoe Rules says:

    Sounds about right but to be honest I don’t know how many relatives Ashley Coal has got.

  46. 46
    Loungelizard says:

    If I was Green I’d be itching to have some Labour sleazebag arrested. Vaz looks good to me, being overly greasy in a public place for starters.

  47. 47
    Hamish says:

    Never seen a fossil in my coal bunker yet.

  48. 48
    SP4BS says:

    there is a flaw there: MW is not a unit of “energy”.

  49. 49

    You are farting against thunder until they all get lined up against a wall.

  50. 50
    Windy Miller says:

    Indeed, name plate capacity is just that and a crowbar in to any Eco-loons argument on wind power. They always use name plate capacity as actual delivered capacity when any 3 year old knows the wind doesn’t blow all the time at a constant rate.

  51. 51
    annette curton says:

    It is all very amateur-ist, no mention ever made of dust to dust, manufacture and infrastructure involved in putting up these 300 ft steel colossus, quite a lot of hydrocarbons burnt in the process.

  52. 52
    Rhine says:

    Having to have power stations on standby 24/7/365 to take up the slack when the wind doesn’t blow is simply crazy. These things and their Labour do not come free.

    What’s not being reported is that Germany has realised that wind power is a threat to their economy, is going back to coal and building 23 coal powered stations.

  53. 53
    Me fane says:

    Yes it is true.

  54. 54
    Anonymous says:

    Why is it surprising that people who write industry reports and analysis are employed in the same industries? Seems sensible to for experts to be working in their own field as well as writing in them.

  55. 55
    Tay King-dePisse says:

    Hopefully Guido will have more success opposing windmills than did the Knight of the Woeful Countenance:

    “And the world will be better for this…”

  56. 56
    Well there you go! says:

    Paul Younger, Professor of Energy and Environment at Newcastle University, said there was enough untapped coal reserves in the UK to last 400 years.

  57. 57
    AA says:

    Not forgetting the unreliability of the generator itself. All of the wind farms in these parts have at least 30% of the windmills shut down at any one time due to mechanical failure and they are bloody expensive to fix as well. It’s not easy changing a gear box on the top of a 300 foot high pole

  58. 58
    Mr A says:

    So? They let the Tobacco Control industry write reports on tobacco policy. Just more of the usual.

  59. 59
    annette curton says:

    That would be the ‘democratic’ participation bit.

  60. 60
    Slippery Slope says:

    One of the best popular songs ever written. Easily as good as Yesterday.

  61. 61
  62. 62
    WVM says:

    Same old leftwing jerk circle.

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  65. 65
    The General Public says:

    What amazes me is that anyone pays to commission these “reports”. Nobody ever fucking reads them, and as news items, they’re tomorrow’s litter tray liner.

    The only occasions upon which these documents are ever subsequently referenced are when online leftwingers try to back up their vacuous arguments with the old evergreen “..academic studies show…” bullshit.

  66. 66
    idle says:

    “Fitch-Roy”? Shurely shome mishtake. Does he come from a long line of illiterates?

  67. 67
    domino316 says:

    Considering the recent sha itty weather, I wonder has anyone looked into mapping wind patterns over the locations covered in these monstrosities, once upon a time it issed it down across the Pennines came over the top and went out to the East, wind and pressure seems to be much more erratic, so unless it’s “that climate change guvn’r” perhaps these icons of idiocy are causing weather problems, oh how ironic that would be.

  68. 68
    Trahison des Clercs says:

    And miles better than that nonsense ‘imagine ‘

  69. 69
    Trahison des Clercs says:

    No,a Watt is not energy,but is a unit of power.

  70. 70
    Trahison des Clercs says:

    Leftwing Circle-Jerk

  71. 71
    Sir Arfur Windrush-Weatherbestill says:

    Well, you can’t take energy out of the wind without, erm, taking energy out of the wind. And the wind delivers the weather, so…. ;-)

  72. 72
    domino316 says:

    Eureka, now if only you can enlighten the LibDims and other “windy supporting millers” that no wind = no energy.

  73. 73
    English Heretic says:

    Always follow the money when asking why is this bastard lying to me.

  74. 74
    Anon says:

    The IPPR report also ignores the political framework in which wind farms operate. Shockingly (sorry!) the support mechanisms for emissions trading and renewable energy interact such that all of Europe’s wind farms have failed to halt the emission of a single gram of carbon dioxide. This is not disputed by green organizations – see Spiegel article: “Wind Turbines in Europe Do Nothing for Emissions-Reduction Goals” (linked below). This conclusion appears to be acknowledged in the recent WWF submission to the Scottish government inquiry into renewables: “Although the accounting rules of the EU ETS trading scheme mean savings in Scotland’s power sector are translated into emission allowances elsewhere in Europe”. This WWF report utilized “original analysis from consultants Garrad Hassan” !! (See page 1 linked below).

  75. 75
    Sick of the lot of them says:

    It’s even more difficult if said pole is sticking up in the middle of the North Sea. I suppose they could ferry the people and equipment out there with helicopters. Helicopters run on wind … er, dont they?

  76. 76
    Herr COALPOWER says:

    Englandur ve has yu now.
    Ve arre building dreiundzwanzig coal fired power stations.
    How vil zu build der Shpitfires wiz the crappy vindmill power zis time eh?

  77. 77

    Very probably. The world almost certainly has enough fossil fuel to last around ten million years at current rates of consumption. All the oxygen in iron ore came originally from CO2 in the earth’s early atmosphere which was split into carbon and oxygen by stromatolite photosynthetic bacteria over a couple of billion years. The oxygen combined with the iron in the earth’s crust, leaving the carbon eventually to become fossil fuels: coal, oil and gas. We’ve hardly started to exploit fossil fuels yet.

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