July 18th, 2012

EU Trade Myth Debunked

One of the lines peddled by Europhile scaremongers desperately spinning the benefits of staying in the EU has been the claim that we rely on our continental counterparts for a huge proportion of our overseas trade. Now, however, for the first time in 40 years the EU is no longer the UK’s main export market.

The Centre for Economics and Business Research has found that non-EU exports have exceeded those from member states by 1.5%. The likes of Dan Hannan have been predicting this for years, and now it seems they’ve been proved right. Another swivel-eyed pro-EU argument shot to pieces. 


129 Comments

  1. 1
    Mandy says:

    Join the Euro now

  2. 2
    Chav says:

    FUCK U EU

  3. 3
    Pub Landlord says:

    Oh yes

  4. 4
    Nigel Farage says:

    Dan Hannan is to UKIP what I am to UKIP!

  5. 5

    Thats it I’m convinced.

  6. 6
    MrAngry61 says:

    Facts are irrelevant to the proEU cargo cultists.

    Just give me a ****ing referendum!

  7. 7
    my name is ...... says:

    well won’t they just try to claim that CEBR is out of the mainstream and therefore shouldn’t be listened , i can imagine the online guardian article now .

  8. 8
    SP4BS says:

    So its approximately a half of all good sold?
    I presume they’re missing out other activities like financial arsing about too.

    Dull reminder: this is an anti-spin post rather than a pro-EU one. The above would be fairly safe with an amicable split.

  9. 9
    SP4BS says:

    Dan would have the PR sense not to allow the purple caravan.

  10. 10
  11. 11
    British Made for British Exports says:

    And even if you are exporting to a free country you are still compelled to make it conform to all the EUSSR Specs.

  12. 12
    Johnny says says:

    Our trade *with* the EU is less than our total EU exports too, due to the Rotterdam effect whereby goods are exported to the continent but are quickly shipped elsewhere in the world.

  13. 13
    Anonymous says:

    er.. this was in the standard last night.

    can we please have some scoops and investigations rather than press releases. thanks. (reader for 6 years)

  14. 14
    concrete pump says:

    Wot he said…

  15. 15
    Winston says:

    Dan Hannan sought election to Brussels to fight the EUSSR from within and continues to do a great job of it. John Prescott sought election to the HoL to fight it from within and ingratiates himself with all its trappings and customs!

    Labour = Hypocrisy

  16. 16
    New Town Toff, Edinburgh says:

    As the EU is now effectively one huge confederation under the same laws, sales of goods from one European member country to another cannot be counted as “exports” in the strictest sense. A UK company selling widgits to a client in Holland is no more an “export” than a Leeds firm selling widgits to a client in London.

  17. 17
    Gordon Brown says:

    Is Bliar still pro Euro? If so I am still anti.

  18. 18
    Bertthebert says:

    So Guido!
    Why haven’t you been doing stories about how the EU is almost finished if you go by the financial markets!

    The markets say that grouping together sick countries to form a whole WON’T make a healthy whole, it will still be just as sick as it ever was.
    The markets have also run out of patience with the EU & the best way to see this is by looking to companies in countries like America who say that there is no real money to be made from the EU, it’s too much of a risk & so those companies are now, at last, starting to turn their backs on the EU.

    And Yes I do watch financial TV & the above was said only last week.

    Hope to see you saying the same!

  19. 19
    Fish says:

    OT: Breaking….Greasy Vaz recalls G4s’ Nick Buckles to his star chamber / kangaroo court, in September.

    Don’t go Nick…tell the slimey bastard to fuck off.

  20. 20
    Cash for Eurocrats says:

    Radio4 last evening looked at how much we give to Brussels and how much we get back. Needless to say we only see 25% back. But the cost of sending the money to Brussells doing all the admin then sending it back is a total waste. The repoirter give him his due did challenge the un-elected Eu official that it would be cheaper and more democratic not to send the money in the 1st place and let Westminster distribute the money. This un-elected Eurocrat was having non of that and basically said elected governments could not be trusted and a communist EUSSR was a far fairer system.

  21. 21
    CHRIST ON A BIKE! says:

    So Guido, the amount of EU exports is insigniicant then? NO!
    When the number becomes too small to worry about, then you will have a point.

    But being able to buy cheaper European IMPORTS is probably more important. EU food, booze, cars etc. are somewhat popular in the UK. Paying more for them or buying inferior alternatives, for the same price, wouldn’t be much fun.

    Being part of a free-trade area is the only thing worthwhile about the EU.

  22. 22
    Icarus says:

    What do you mean that the EU is not our main export market? EU takes 49% of our exports, the Rest of the World – that is Every Other Country in the World added together 51%.

    Have you been drinking Guido?

    From the actual report: “Of course, this does not in itself make a case for getting out of the EU. The cases for and against are much the same with the EU receiving 49% of UK exports of goods as they were when it received 51%”

  23. 23
    Pop Tax says:

  24. 24

    ‘swivel’ not ‘swivle’.

  25. 25
    Mrs Brown (Gordon's Mum) says:

    Dear Mr Speaker,

    I’m afraid little Gordon can’t attend parliament today, or any other day because his job has been stolen by one of those bigger boys and he’s far too upset.

    Yours Truely

    Mrs. B.

  26. 26
    Nick 'cunt' Buckles says:

    Carry on troughing!

  27. 27
    All in the Club says:

    The EU last time I looked was not a country but a country club consisting of individual members. The members trade with each other, not the club.

  28. 28
    Nick 'cunt' Buckles says:

    Gimme your money!

  29. 29
    David Cameron says:

    Vote UKIP

  30. 30
    Peter Expat says:

    Hardly ‘shot to pieces’ ! The figures show that up until now it was true.
    1.5% could soon change either way. You only need one major aircraft order.

  31. 31
    Icarus says:

    From HMRC: Standard rate VAT: Carbonated drinks such as lemonade, cola and mixers such as tonic and soda

  32. 32
    Liarpoliticians says:

    Brussels is like a cult, so nobody will admit to anything even if it stares them in the face.

  33. 33
    PS from Fatbot says:

    Oh and we promised a referendum on the EU and lied about that too

  34. 34
    ughhhh says:

    Is this the honest, trustworthy, upright citizen who is detailed here?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Vaz

    How does someone like this get to be and remain an MP/

  35. 35
    Peter Expat says:

    Point well made !

  36. 36
    Liarpoliticians says:

    More free trade deals, stuff the EU.

  37. 37
  38. 38
    Icarus says:

    We are all Europeans now! Thanks to Margaret Thatcher. Look at your passport!

  39. 39
    Socialists = Sociopaths says:

    Hypocrisy and Mendacity – it’s in Libor’s D-N-A.

  40. 40
    Icarus says:

    How come there are 2 number 1s?

  41. 41
    UKIP Ever Increasing Membership Spokesperson says:

    Another convert, well done

  42. 42
    RED ED - SON OF BROWN says:

    Help ! Which bandwagon to jump on ??

  43. 43
    Labourunionsbbc we are one says:

    What’s the price of a barrel of Vaz nowdays? I herd it was slipping.

  44. 44
    wankers says:

    Lord Green can fuck off too.

  45. 45
  46. 46
    Really? says:

    Like you had no intention of sending your Son to a private school?

    School fees
    School fees for this year 2012-2013 are £4467 per term.

    School lunch is provided at a cost of £206 per term.

    Music lessons can be taken by pupils at school at a cost of £194 per term.

    http://www.clsb.org.uk/fees/

  47. 47
    Flatcap Army says:

    It’s worth noting that a significant chunk of trade usually counted as “with the EU” consists of containerised freight shipped to Rotterdam, the largest container port in the world. The material percentage of that freight that is transferred from one ship to another and then exported to the rest of the world remains counted as UK trade with the EU, even though it’s not the end destination

  48. 48
    Country of Birth says:

    I don’t live in Europe, I Live on an Island in the North Atlantic.

  49. 49
    Joss Taskin says:

    Taxing or taxi-ing ?

  50. 50
    UKIP.i.am says:

    Europhiles are rabid, global xenophobes.

  51. 51
    Herman van Rumboy says:

    Let’s not get bogged down in facts, eh ?

  52. 52
    The Spirit of the Carry On Films Producers says:

    Don’t forget our Cut !!

    Remember who started this very successful series…..!!!

  53. 53
    Forged By Society says:

    The numbers are fraud anyway, ask any port worker, they double count most stuff.

  54. 54
    MrAngry61 says:

    You’ve more likely to find an English speaking Dutchman than an English speaking immigrant to Leeds

  55. 55
    UKIP.i.am says:

    The EU is a like a barrel of apples. You only need one or two to make the whole lot go bad. And in the EU barrel there are several bad apples.

  56. 56
    Anonymous says:

    How come when something works extremely well in the private sector governments are keen to study, emulate or even sub contract, except when it comes to state education and the NHS?

    We nearly got there with grammar schools where the council house kid is treated equal to the rich man’s kid. But for some reason the state does not like excellence.

  57. 57
    The religion of pe*ce strikes again says:

    Bus bomb blast in Bulgaria kills at least three, many more injured.

  58. 58
    Red Ken Lyingscum says:

    July 18th has turned into a fine day.

  59. 59
    No tool like an old tool says:

    There are no elections to the House of Lords.

    Winston = moron

  60. 60
    Gordon Brown says:

    I’ve just done 2 number 2s.

  61. 61
    Anonymous says:

    Bingo! Same with stuff coming to UK ports destined for Ireland. This shows up as UK -> Ireland exports.

    Wankers.

  62. 62
    Now enlightened UKIP Voter from North of the Border says:

    Just send him off, with his Tuck Box, to the UN in New York asap

    btw AEROFLOP are still running a very good one way schedule……

    they are always very helpful about reassuring passengers

    who fly on their pilotless clapped out old rust buckets.

    They are offering very good first class deals at present as well.

  63. 63
    Anonymous says:

    Was it a lost Olympic bus driver?

  64. 64
    UKIP.u.are says:

    Roger That!

  65. 65
    Mr. Putin's Stolen Cat says:

    Good. Can we go now?

  66. 66
    SP4BS says:

    … with a lead pipe in the library.

  67. 67
    Mark Oaten says:

    Show off!

  68. 68
    UKIP.i.iz says:

    Damn Right Bro’….

  69. 69
    I don't read books says:

    anybody who refers to widgets is a cock

  70. 70
    Cressida's Dick says:

    The momentum builds. There’s a rather large purple bandwagon heading your way Dave.

    Fuck em all.

    Vote UKIP.

  71. 71
    The religion of pe*ce strikes again says:

    An explosion on bus carrying Is*aeli tourists at the airport of the Black Sea city of Burgas killed three people on Wednesday, Bulgarian media said.

  72. 72
    Gordon Brown's Dad says:

    I spent years telling sky pixie stories to the Kirkaldy congregation

    In return they paid for the manse and gave young Gordon beef on his plate

  73. 73
    Fish says:

    + + + Brilliant. I hadn’t seen this before.

    Perhaps Fatbott has some uses after all.

  74. 74
    Jethro says:

    59 Not so fast, youngster: ‘election’ comes grom the Latin ‘eligo-eligere-elegi-electum’ – which means ‘to choose, or select'; so, you could say Prescott was elected to the Lords, by a rather small electorate (Her Majesty and the Prime Minister).

  75. 75
    Jethro says:

    …for ‘grom’ please read ‘from’. There must be a Law that governs these things – the more pompous one is, the more prone to making silly typos that ruin the effect.

  76. 76
    Gordon Fcuking.McMental says:

    Good to know my unique all embracing double & triple announcements

    form of inspired confusion has now been fully adopted & being used everyday

    by EUSSR

    I feel very happy about how this is helping the total downward uncontrolled

    spiral of the mighty EUSSR along with its Green Shield Stamps Currency to

    cause the biggest ever financial crash of a Ponzi scheme the world has ever seen

    & will never see again

  77. 77
    Mark Serwotka says:

    Strike!

  78. 78

    And tuition fees.
    And stealth taxes
    And WMD
    And cash for peerages
    And the congestion charge
    And immigration numbers
    And that free loft lagging
    And that free lap top we promised you all at least 10 times
    And an extra bank holiday in july
    and …

  79. 79
    DZ says:

    I made my cuts in December 2008

  80. 80
    BOB coCROWch says:

    Yeah !!

  81. 81
    Tory Blue all of the way thru says:

    Due you mind nearly had a complete total seizer then when I read the Diane A text
    “The Labour party has NO intention of taxing”………

    That could have had very serious consequences on the UK health budgets……….

    if it had been remotely true……..

    Where’s the Champers…………..

  82. 82
    Jimmy says:

    Oh well if it’s only 49% now then fuck’em.

  83. 83

    Well I am very much pro EU, and facts MyAngry61 are very important to me. Which is why I am listening to the UKIP and on what has been said here re Switzerland and Norway. Also being a Scot, with the SNPs charge to Independence from England this is an issue I take seriously. And those who know me, know that I look at all sides of an issue and keep doing so. It can infuriate the establishment when I dont “toe the line” as a result, but hey-ho.

    Then again I am a nobody, not an EU Tsar.

  84. 84
    gildedtumbril says:

    You neglected to mention Machiavellianism and malfeasance. I say, Hang the bastards on all counts.

  85. 85
    UKIP if you want says:

    i;m HAVING proBLEMS with my kEybOard. Its becAuse oF the Eu BasTArDs

  86. 86
    pelasgos says:

    G.H.REES – COSMIC ETNA – TOP URGENT MESSAGE OF RUSSIAN NATIONAL AND PLANET SECURITY

    http://hellenandchaos.blogspot.de/2012/06/ghrees-cosmic-etna-top-urgent-message.html

  87. 87
    Gobble gobble says:

  88. 88

    Ed Moribund is the bandwagon king!
    He’ll be jumping on any that looks the least bit popular.

    He’s got that UKIP one ready for 6 weeks before the election. Split the Tory right and damage UKIP and the South West Lib Dem vote.

    “Ed Miliband promises a referendum on European membership within his first term as prime minister. The hopeful opposition leader said “This is not a phony Tony promise. Or a Brown stinker one. Or even a cast iron Cameron.
    This is an Ed Moribund promise made with my hand resting on an approved multi-faith worship book.”

    Mr Moribund is currently 30 points ahead of David Cameron in the opinion polls.
    Yes I know! Its unbelievable isn’t it? I’ve known goldfish with longer memories. And the water in a goldfish bowl with a higher IQ.

  89. 89
    Tachybaptus says:

    That’s the spirit, our Jimmy. We’ll make a yewkipper out of you yet.

  90. 90
    Gordon Brown says:

    I don’t do requests.

  91. 91
    Tesco says:

    Every little helps!

  92. 92
    Fish says:

    Yeah…and amazing 10.4% of PCS members eligible to vote, vote for Servostka’s attempt to co-ordinate Olympic industrial action with Crow and McClunky’s mob.

    There’s democracy!

  93. 93
    Desktop Tidy says:

    That’s the first time she has said something worthwhile that i am aware of. I wonder what it said in Hansard?

  94. 94
    The weatherman says:

    But its hardly living, is it?

  95. 95
    Jesus says:

    Why do any of the parties tax food? Its immoral to tax any food or drink.

  96. 96
    ALMOST 50% of our trade is with...... says:

    Oh what a drama queen, all we want is the UK trading with the whole world on a mutually beneficial basis and without EU interference. You remember Jimmy, like we used to do.

    Is that really too much to ask?

  97. 97
    Gooey Blob says:

    …and an end to boom and bust.

  98. 98

    That lunch looks good value.

  99. 99
    Lucius Calidius Eroticus says:

    If the EU could impose tariffs, which I highly doubt the WTO would allow, then the UK would be within it’s rights to reciprocate.

  100. 100
    The man in the street says:

    Alleluja!

  101. 101
    Gooey Blob says:

    Mili isn’t that popular though. Take a look at the details of his polling and you’ll see why Labour can’t win the next election, especially with a Labour lead at only 8 points at this stage.

    Mind you, if things look bleak for Mili, Balls’ polling is even worse. Best thing for Labour would be a quick decapitation before the Blairite purges go too far.

  102. 102
    Aydodge E. Scheisster, QC says:

    Technically-sp*eaking, the ban would be on the size of the cup. Knowing New Yorkers and their attitudes about life in general, one can easily see the law being circumvented by the simple expedient of allowing customers to bring their own containers, seeing as how most fast-food locations have self-service fountains; pay n-amount at the till, and then it’s all-you-can-drink. The precedent for this is the common practice of the sale of coffee, at convenience stores catering to motorists, in a “safe cup” which the customer brings him/herself. The law would need to ban this practice, which might be a bridge too far, too much for New Yorkers to stand, and would backfire spectacularly. “Mayor Mike” Bloomberg is a laughing-stock in his own city for these Nanny-State city ordinances.
    Were anything of this nature attempted by Big Momma should she ever be the Health Minister, I would hope Britons would adopt that same spirit that NYers would do in the situation.

  103. 103
    Jimmy says:

    You should probably vote for a party that agrees with you then.

  104. 104
    Old Grumpy says:

    Are you sure Guido? A few months ago I read an article, based on HMRC data, which indicated that much of ASSUMED EU trade was, in fact, non-EU trade, exported through Rotterdam!

    Your 1.5% might be somewhat conservative (with a lower case “c”)

  105. 105
    JH says:

    I agree.

    Ditto people who use ‘foo’ and ‘bar’ in code examples. It’s appallingly misleading, as it infers absolutely no real-world hierarchy or relationship.

    Unless you are talking about two strings being concatenated (in which case use “Hello” and “World”), just fucking pack it in you bastards.

    There, I’ve finished.

  106. 106
    JH says:

    Apparently Tony Blair thinks ex-Prime Ministers should absolutely not throw themselves in front of speeding lorries on the A92 past Kirkcaldy.

    He was adamant on that point. He believed that would not be the right thing to do. If an ex-Prime Minister did that, Blair would be destroyed.

  107. 107
    It doesn't add up... says:

    Sorry. Oil trade will dominate. We’re busy closing refineries to be green, so we’ll import more diesel and jet fuel from Rotterdam. North Sea production is declining, so we’ll sell less crude oil to other EU countries.

  108. 108
    BBC Newsdesk says:

    Are you in Bulgaria? Are you in Burgas? Did you witness what happened? Do you hate bastard J’ews and fucking Is’rael too? Please share your comments and experiences. Free Palestine.

  109. 109
    BBC Newsdesk says:

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu later accused Iran of being behind the explosion.

    “All the signs lead to Iran,” he said in a statement. “Israel will respond forcefully to Iranian terror.”

    Oh, for fucks sake. Just get on and bomb, bomb, bomb Iran already, I’m sick of waiting for it. Ditto get on with the apocalyptic crash in the world economy. Bored now.

    Do they really need excuses like this to justify what they intend to do anyway? What ‘signs’ lead to Iran, exactly? Was the bomber wearing their football strip?

  110. 110
    Old Blue Eyes says:

    Nigel Farage says the EU is a cult. Therefore let’s get the helL out of it and put an eNd to the pisshole.

  111. 111
    JH says:

    Dago bonds tickling 7% again.

    I wonder what they will do to try to whack-a-mole them down this time? Eurobonds? Von Rumpy garage sale? Free go on Cathy Ashton’s tits?

  112. 112
    Maggies Pearl Necklace says:

    I think he meant c u n t

  113. 113
    CHRIST ON A BIKE! says:

    8 point lead in polls translates to at least a 10 point deficit in actual GE for Labour. Polls are run by Labour mongs for Labour mongs in the media. They are a bunch off frauds, there to influence and push along media narrative. Labour could only manage 38% in protest voting local elections that were in mainly urban Labour voting areas for god’s sake! and the polls claim that they are on 40+% in a GE. How the hell have they worked out that? Are they telling us that Labour hating provincial England would boost Labour in a GE!!!

  114. 114

    You can thank the National Dock Labour Board for that. Margaret Thatcher abolished it as soon as she came to power but the rot had already set in.

  115. 115
  116. 116

    Fucking evil road that used to be in the late 80s. Dual carriageway with gaps in the central reservation. I was tanking along east one night and all of a sudden I saw a long trailer sticking out into the road, stationary, at a distance of less than 100 ft. No fucking lights on it at all, sides or rear! It’s tractor unit was on the other carriageway but God alone knows why he had stopped. Looking at the map? Pissed? Having a J Arthur?

    ABS and a swerve onto the grass verge saved my life that night. Mad fucking Scotch twat!

  117. 117
    Dave you really are hopeless and Useless says:

    LOL – quote of the day

  118. 118
    Nick says:

    Not only are Britain’s non-EU exports exceeding those to the EU, but the EU is not an entity. It is a bloc of countries and the exports are to individual purchasers within those countries.

    In addition, the total that is often presented as exports to the EU is bulked up by shipments to Rotterdam for onward shipping to customers around the world.

    Furthermore, UK exports to the Irish Republic are included in the EU figure although they are to do with trading patterns that predate the EU and would continue after the EU’s demise.

  119. 119
    HenryV says:

    One of things I have never understood is how many parents’ and grandparents’ generations could have voted us out of developing markets and huge resources (the Commonwealth) into an organisation of competing states with similar levels of (dying) industry and virtually no resources.

  120. 120
    Free Trade says:

    And if we leave the EU, does anyone really think Germany won’t still want to sell us all those BMWs?

  121. 121
    JH says:

    I do trust if you suddenly see the Fife Fuckup 100 feet ahead, the manoeuvre will involve more of the right hand pedal.

  122. 122
    Euro Regulo-trooper says:

    Vot shape is ze barrel? Hav you ein barrel license? Zis barrel does not meet ze regulations. Ein fine for you. Schnell!

  123. 123
    JH says:

    These countries to which we are shackled also have the demonstrable tendency to start butchering each other every 60 years or so.

    The little Franco-German love-in scheme to make Germany the economic centre of Europe while France becomes the cultural seems to have taken a bit of a dive. How long can it be before we’re expected to wade in and sort their shit out again?

    I can’t wait, because they are soooo grateful for the last two times. If they do kick off again, I’ll be more than happy to take that French singer bird into my home as a refugee.

  124. 124
    Business Cat (Specializing in yarns, Cdn owned & op) says:

    It’s computer djinns.

  125. 125
    Sci says:

    The truth is more likely that the UK now sells less to Europe than it did before, not “more goods abroad”. Why should Europeans buy shoddy goods from GB when they can get them cheaper from China of the same/better quality?

  126. 126
    Sci says:

    Geedo is part of the MSM now, didn’t you know?

    If he steps out of line his new chums will shun him.

  127. 127
    Arthur Wellesly says:

    Next time they can all fight each other to a standstill and buy arms from us in exchange for the gold the maximum imbecile handed over to Frankfurt.

    None of it is worth a drop of British blood or a penny of British treasure.

    I spent nearly 10 years in Portugal and Spain to release the Iberian peninsular from the grip of that Italian mountebank Napolean.

    Yet today both countries are ruled by Euro fanatics the descents of the “afrancisados” of my time.

  128. 128
    M says:

    They are not anyone’s trading partner because they’ve got no money to buy anything

  129. 129
    Jane Birkin from Paris says:

    I have just heard that slimey socialist Hollande give a speech and repeat the word “port avion”.

    What is wrong with British people paying for their own British built non nuclear aircraft short runway carriers?


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