Hollande Outflanks Cameron From the Right
France’s socialist president François Hollande visited David Cameron at Downing Street today, but the afternoon press conference turned into a bit of an embarrassment for Dave as his opposite number threw up a few surprises from the right of the PM. Not only did Hollande promise he wouldn’t tax second homes owned by Britons south of the Channel, but he taunted George Osborne’s top rate of income tax as too left-wing:
Ooh la la! Hollande: 'The top rate of tax in Britain is 45%. In France it's 41%'—
James Chapman (Mail) (@jameschappers) July 10, 2012
He’ll be calling for an EU referendum next…
Is Dave standing on a box, or is Hollande even more shortarsey than Shortarzy?
Dave is standing on a pensioner.
So when are the socialists in this country going to demand lower taxes?
Not to mention an end to QE, and some respect for savers (which, oddly enough, many pensioners are).
The crisis of 2008 and the bailouts by the government of the day did more harm to pensioners than any any other act by government in living memory.
The Conservatives have done more damaged to hard working, decent, law abiding people in this Country than the filthy socialists ever did.
Vote UKIP
“The Conservatives have done more damaged to hard working, decent, law abiding people in this Country than the filthy socialists ever did.”
Yeah. So long as you carefully ignore the 3 or 4 million foreign workers that Labour imported, lowering wages and reducing job opportunities for British workers (who were denounced by Labour as ‘bigots’ if they complained).
And so long as you carefully ignore Labour’s 100% tax increase for the lowest paid workers.
And so long as you carefully ignore Labor’s dumbing-down of the education system, depriving an entire generation of children the education they’d need if they wanted any sort of decent job.
So long as you ignore those points then, yes, Labour were much better than the evil Tories.
Anyone who thinks taxes are lower here than in France is seriously deluded. Income tax is one thing but let us not forget:
VAT
Capital Gains Tax
Stamp Duty
Council & Property TAX
Car Tax
Fuel Duty (70% plus on each litre of fuel direct to the Treasury)
Airport Taxes and others associated therewith
Speed Cameras (Revenue stream for the Treasury)
And there are loads more…………..
As a nation we are taxing ourselves into being non-competitive, I think the point is made.
I’m deluded then. I must be living in a fantasy world where most of those taxes do exist in france, and many of them are higher and apply in places where they do not in england.
Seriously. Stamp duty is probably something like 8-10% in france.
TBH it’s not ideal but it prevented the crash in house affordability we saw here.
with the knock on effect of all the land lenders going b4nkrupt a few years later too.
It’s French banks lending ABROAD that caused their lending problem.
Paris had a crash in affordability.
Nice to see you approving of a suffocating level of red tape.
Red-Tape I don’t approve of. Taxes that control debt levels I do.
So simple, you might even be able to understand it.
you don’t understand then.
The French government created rules, in ways you wouldnt dare imagine, to get people into useless buy to let schemes.
I’m afraid you are ex-pats can live far cheaper in France than here in the UK fact. There are some income tax issues in France that are high granted but property taxes and taxes on pensions are much less than here in the UK. My main point holds its taxes that are driving countries like France and the UK into a worse economic downturn given it makes us far less competitive than countries in Asia and South America that are the evolving economies right know.
Am I the only one that is in disbelief that Guido can not only believe a socialist politician (especially a French one), but he encourages this disbelief by advertising this fiction on his website.
Hollande is about the same height as sarkozy.
There were clips of them together just after the election (VE day?), where sarkozy was wearing higher shoes than usual, and looked taller.
They weren’t Carla’s shoes, were they?
Sacre bleu – allo, allo perfidious anglaise, c’est moi – the lettle saucy boy – President Hollandaise of the great French Republique….zat strange little man….David Macaroon….ez not so clever eh?
Zut alors! You’re wicked little media has been talking up my regressive socialist agenda! Of course, I am not going to tax ze reech English expats & colonialists in la belle France…..I’m going to introduce new taxes in Londres….the centre of the criminal banking classes……..after all, London is now France’s sixth city with more of us Frenchies than in Strasbourg, Nantes or Bordeaux! Salut!
Did someone say Croissants’ ?
Hey, Lord Lardarse……we are very cross..aint we?
Hollande can make up the tax-difference by increasing the rental on the aircraft carrier.
Good idea, we won’t need much square footage as we have no fucking planes that can go on a French carrier.
Why didn’t countries in Europe who can afford aircraft carriers just get them designed to take Eurofighter Typhoons?
Take this pump to the cells, he has suggested ‘joined up’ thinking with the corresponding money saving
Well, for a start no European country can afford an aircraft carrier.
And France, who build them anyway, are never ever going to buy a Eurofighter.
Eurofighters cannot land on ships without a major redesign
Could we not have some concrete replica aircraft aboard just to frighten the natives ?
Do you know the difference between ‘your’ and ‘you’re’? A dictionary might help.
Not really any great help Norm;they don’t teach grammar.
You are also forgetting the national insurance and then the 20% on all that you buy in the England. Not forgetting the capital gains tax, the death tax, the council tax, the land tax, the rubbish tax, the green taxes, the plane tax, the insurance tax, the telly tax and the fuel tax.
All in All in the England it is better not to have money.
I came here three months ago with nothing, I now live in a very large house for free and your lovely government keeps me in a manner which I could get very used too.
Well Hollande IS a anti-capitalist.
Nothing anti-capitalist about taxing property. Adam Smith onwards all say it’s the best thing to tax.
LOL
In Brussels its only 8%
I say pipe down don’t let every know how well we are doing after all of our time spent in Brussels doing sweet fanny adams then getting very large tax free pensions , we could not ask for for more, well if Glynis has her way I will have to but I say yet again in ever more words we do need to keep a lid on this type of information getting out there. After all the BBC are always so very very very very very very helpful in this respect they don’t say a word 99.99999% of the time about anything thats is detrimental on what we receive from our Labours in Brussels & thats the way its going to stay, hope everyone understands & excepts this fact.
I know this posting is bit short for me but must pop to the banks to check my accounts
I am intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich as long as they pay their ( 8% ) tax
Slippery Dave more left than a Socialist! Who’d have thought it?
He’s even got a darker blue tie than Dave….more like a proper Tory would wear!
A C U N T !
I trust Hollande washed his hands. After
Much better than the marginal 60%+ that Labour inflicted on aspiration, cheered on by the tories. Got to keep the proles trodden underfoot.
We simply cannot have aspiration. Aspiration leads on to its more dangerous sibling – success, which we must avoid at all costs.
Success leads to a shifting of political views and a belief in ones self rather than the teat of government.
hollande for PM
They do make better Pies than Pukka though
The latest episode of the Greatest Ponzi Scam Ever from EUSSR
You know if you didn’t have such a fish-faced expense fiddling offshore account holding twit of a leader, and had at least half a believable policy of what you propose to do when and if we come out of the EU, I might vote for you, but why in the world would I want to vote for another bent politician with a half baked set of policies and finish up with more of the same.
Politics needs cleaning up, but old Nige really isn’t the man to do it,
I agree, vote B&P!
So true keep the status quo that seems to be working well ?
lol
Yes let’s all stay in the EU it’s the final solution.
These carosel bailouts will last a thousand years!
Today Europe, tomorrow the World
you can’t go shouting the truth like that one here, didn’t you know that order-order and CH have been infested and take over by swivel eyed fruitcakes who vote for racists and homophobes (no not BNP)
I’m talking about Ukip
http://ukip-vs-eukip.com/
Nice to see the ConsLieLaborLibDems Blood Brother’s Alliance are really getting fcuking rattled as they start to smear in there usual sewer like manner……
“Keep Going for there Jugulars Nigel” all of these over paid Mike Hunts in there unholy Blood Brother Alliance are starting to smell fear of there impending total demise for all of them sooner rather than later……
Now that’s something, getting outflanked by that guy… I thought my respect for Cameron couldn’t sink much lower. Albeit not as low as my ‘respect’ for the collection of Marx and Spenders on the opposition benches.
We really need some new politicians. Ones that don’t suck.
Mandy likes to suck
I like a suck. Boaz.
I like to suck on the teat
Load of bloody bollocks.
For a start, that is the rate that Hollande inherited from Sarkozy, and its not what he intends to do himself.
Secondly, France takes far more in terms of taxes described as “social security”. Which is about 100% of what the employee gets.
And VAT on property sales. That would sort our housing problem out!
How’s about anyone with posessions, including a house, that amount to over something like 500k, have to declare every single item and its value to the government. And pay 2% per year tax for having them.
Does that include council houses?
Yep I would’nt like that & all of my Members would back me all the way up
I’m with you all the way, Bob.
Well, suckpuppet, who let you out again? I’ve not missed you. Please go back to where you cane from.
suck my puppet.
VAT on supermarket food in France.
Supermarket beer is cheaper, though.
That is not true. There are more taxes,yes in France but the way many of them are calculated actually results in a lower tax bill for certain groups. e.g. pensioners and families with children.
Hollande is playing to the gallery in France with these comments. If he does drop the tax on holiday homes, it’s a U-turn which Sarkozy also made last year.
Nic picture of a pair of socialists in full lying mode though.
Hugo Chavez and Ken Livingstone outflank Cameron on the right.
Cut income tax to a flat 25% rate immediately, abolish NI, VAT down to 10%. If Otto wants to get the economy moving he’ll see sense and stop stealing our cash.
Those rates seem high to me.
Well someone’s still gotta pick up the tab for McBroon’s psychopathic spending spree. Moderate cuts across the board to start with, more later (inc a full frontal assault on all mp pensions and prescott food subsidies).
Did you see me at DG’s questions? I know us larger ladies shouldn’t wear horizontal stripes but I’ve lost so much weight lately I thought I could get away with it.
Smug twat that Hollande, very similar to Cameron in that he promised the electorate a lot of social and financial changes…….and then did precisely fuck all…….
Just say what you need to get elected.
Please stop giving Call Me Dave more ideas how to con the peasants for yet another term of limp wrist, No Spine, No Balls shambles what he laughing calls a Government
It ain’t going to happen
VOTE UKIP………….
I will call an In/Out referendum on Europe.
Follow me,if you dare,David Cameron.
Curses, what about the voters demanding a Shake it All About policy?
Well, frenchy, frogs got ya tongue?
Think I’ll live in France.
Bolleaux
75% per cent for the rich? We are all these French Millionaires flocking from?
Slippery bastard that call me dave, then again he may have some french blood, an Octoroon from Cameroon maybe
Twat
O dear have I offended you, smirk
Hollande bursts Miliband Labour attack lines on top rate Tax, now everytime they mention reduction for millionaires, which is wrong by the way, CAmeron & Osborne can just say we are 4p higher than socialist Hollande of France.
Think people sometimes just want to bash Cameron and forget this was a very good line to come out of the meeting in Hollande’s own voice. To be repeated ad infinitum
‘Think people sometimes just want to bash Cameron’
And what’s your point nimrod?
Meanwhile back in the Palace of the Vanities…rumours abound that government will withdraw Programme Motion ahead of tonight’s vote…..
Waaaaa, Waaaaaa, Waaaaaaa
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It would help if we could get some sensible comment Guido. There are an awful lot commenting that simply like to do out each other with unpleasant words. I suspect it may be because they have nothing to say that is anywhere remotely intelligent.
I’m so terribly sorry Perry.
Please see post 57
“I would like the world to be all nicey nicey where we can discuss things sensibly and come to a fluffy, left-wing conclusion that doesn’t offend anyone. If anyone is offended by fluffy left-wing conclusions then we’ll send them for re-education.”
Pretty much mirrors politics, then. See any PMQs for details.
Take a full refund and just talk to Kevin instead.
Just a point “because they have nothing to say” why are you here? just asking
Man you really have issues.
Tony Blair for pm
Tony Blair HMP
However when you add social security taxes then for most it is not worth getting out of bed to work in France.
Neither is it in the UK.
Other than nipping out to give the mistress one.
Bob Diamond for pm
Dodgy!
Cameron is an absolute useless wanker , anybody could make him look a total twat , including his own party later on
Pull the door to on your way out Dave
Pull the door?
After a single generation you have forgotten you are the wrong side of the green baize door (which is on sprung 2 way hinges).
Peasant
If we have higher taxes than France, what are we spending it on?
A load of blundering public sector shirkers and the debt bomb planted by Labour into the foundations of our nation.
Why do Socialists let facts get in the way?
http://www.tax-news.com/news/France_Eyes_75_Tax_In_2013____56288.html
I know Cameron is a pasty, pillow faced fucktard. But i reckon he could take Hollande…
At least he likes girls rainbow warrior
Up the poop shute?
Watch out Beeboids
http://davidhencke.wordpress.com/2012/07/10/why-margaret-hodge-must-hold-the-british-tax-avoidance-corporation-to-account/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
This is the same horseshit debate I get into with Obama. Constitutionally, he proposes a budget, and I and the House of Representatives must figure out how much of it to actually enact, and how much money to appropriate for those purposes, and how we’re supposed to come up with the bread, thorough taxation or borrowing. BO sez soak the rich with higher rates; I say remove or diminish some or all of the deductions that in the main favor the people with more money. We’d raise more revenue under my plan, but all the Democrats weep and gnash their teeth about how taking away these deductions would hurt most middle-class voters, err, taxpayers. They would rather favor gaming the Tax Code such that nobody pays what they’re “supposed to” anyway, and then they can blame the “rich” for doing so; sound familiar, Guido readers? Until you can come up with tax laws that aren’t all just bait-and-switch, you can’t really have an honest conversation.
Hello,
How and where do the Tories get the billions of pound to Help start these Illegal wars all over the world afghanistan ,Iraq,iran,when the poor like myself have their food taken from thier mouths and face homlessness,WHERE answer that one ! and the royals are having Millions of pounds of taxpayers money Heaped upon them,(Theyre germans you Know,changed their name during WW1)
Sell your computer at Cash Converters and buy some food, you must be starving…
Oh, and the royals being German…Yeah, that hadn’t escaped us. Most people don’t care, me being one.
Are you some kind of blithering idiot?
I trying to get some enthusiasm going for invading France but nobody else seems to think it’s a good idea.
Still, at least I don’t have to show up to vote later.
Earlier Mr Speaker, I met with the President of Holland, Mr France.
Tres Bon.
tu n’es pas le roast beef mais
tu mange beaucoup de haggis, non ?
Isn’t one of camorons family involved in wind turbines and no doubt getting huge grants…
My question for the illuminated here is this.
We are no doubt paying for the installation of these things and the profit therein.
Why the fuck isn’t electric getting any fucking cheaper???
Dear STUN,
These windmills are not a serious form of energy supply. If wind were a serious form of alternative power the Cutty Sark wouldn’t have been permanently cemented in to the Greenwich river front. Only yachts use wind for propulsion these days.
The whole wind farm (note the use of the word ‘farm’ to make it sound all cuddly and organic) rigmarole is a non starter without whacking great subsidies. Landowners are not building them out of concern for the planet but because it is a nice little earner.
People want to have a consistent supply of electricity and for that you need a conventional power station of one type or another. When the wind blows it is never constant or consistent, and, when the wind doesn’t blow at all you will need 100% back up from said power stations.
I think the term ‘wind farm’ should be changed to ‘subsidy farm’, far more accurate don’t you think?
Ok, I’ll have that, but why is electricity no fucking cheaper?
Where does all, the Airport Duty go? When you buy a ticket from an airline you have to pay that airport Duty tax thingy, don’t you? Well, if you cancel your ticket and don’t get a refund (particularly from the no-frills lot), where does that Airport Duty tax thingy money actually go? Does it go to the airport? Well it cannot because you haven’t been to the bloody airport have you? Does it go to the government? Or does the airline keep it? I tried to get it back from a low cost airline once and the “administration fee” was more than the refund.
So I reckon they keep it. If thousands of people have to cancel flights every year and they cannot get the Airport Duty tax thingy back, then that’s a nice little earner for the airlines. Are they naughty by avoiding paying tax?
We are actively considering introducing a supplementary charge of £10 if you want a seat rather than stand during your flight
The admin fee applied to make applying for refunds of tax paid should be made illegal.
It goes to fund Wind and Farms
..make applying for refunds impractical….
Cameron is the most left-wing PM ever. Bring back Gordon Brown whose economic policies were more Tory than Dave`s. Dave is just a poncy shallow politician only interested in `career` and with no views on anything. He is suitably matched to Nick Clegg, who is equally dreggy. May the Coalition fall soon!
I thought the top rate of tax for this year was 50% ? Apart from the last few weeks of three Labour terms, the top rate of tax under Labour, for thirteen years, was 40%. It was Labour who gave the ‘rich’ this big tax break for thirteen years. They only raised it to 50% in April 2010 to stump the incoming Tories (& LibDems) and it has a worked a treat.
Is Nigel about to send another “Thank You Card to CMD, The One Term Tory Toff Liar” for the deluge of new recruits CMD has sent to UKIP just in the last two days with the very helpful speeches from several prominent Mike Hunts who are very well equipped in the refined art of frequently shooting themselves in the foot.
UKIP are very pleased to welcome these Senior Voters who have a defined long track record of Voting ………Perhaps CMD will realise this well known fact after Polling Day & just before the Men in Suits from 1922 Committee call in for word or two with there by then Ex Leader !!
‘Allo mes chums Anglais!
I ‘ope you vill be remembering too pay ze electricity beels et ze vater beels, coz az you connais, zese are all owned by ze French!
Vive!
¿De qué estás hablando, viscosa ajo Muncher? Aquí son propiedad de los ladrones españoles.
I think someone is trying to sell someone a fucking aircraft carrier.