July 4th, 2012

Whitehall Pilgrims Exposed
£36 Million For Civil Service Union Time

Pilgrims are back on the agenda. Guido understands that the long awaited consultation into taxpayer-funded trade union officials will be announced next week. For the first time a clear picture of the extent to which unions fleece the taxpayer in Whitehall alone has been revealed.

248 civil servants have been identified who spend 100% of their paid time on union business. There are at least 6,800 civil servants who do part-time trade union work across the civil service.

And the grand total? The annual cost to the taxpayer is £36,000,000. It has been pointed out that this is the equivalent of the salary of over 900 nurses or the cost of over 10,000 primary school places.

A Whitehall source said:

“Francis Maude demanded that departments collect proper, accurate information on the numbers and costs of taxpayer-funded trade union pilgrims. This information was never available before and, unsurprisingly, initial estimates understated the case. No doubt Labour didn’t want to antagonise their union paymasters by monitoring union activity properly. It’s simply wrong that taxpayers are paying Civil Servants to spend years doing nothing but union activity instead of the jobs they are supposed to do.”

Not for long…


  1. 1
    Yep says:

    Hang em!!!

  2. 2
    We need to know! says:

    Was Ed Balls really not about in treasury while libor was being fixed?


  3. 3
    Jane says:

    If the unions want them to do union work then the unions should pay them to do it.

  4. 4
    An ordinary person says:

    Well done Frankie.

  5. 5
    Ukip_eter says:


    We pay tax, tax pays them, they pay / help labour.

    Sounds like this quango needs squashing

  6. 6
    Quisling says:

    Be carefull it’s after midnight. The majority of bedwetters will be up in two to three hours.

  7. 7
    I can agree with that says:

  8. 8

    Labour are already bankrupt *that is financially as well as morally)

    This removal of tax payer funded resources and material will really upset the champagne sociopaths

  9. 9
    Fish says:

    It’ll be interesting to see how this develops.

    Some Ministers did try to do something about it in 2004 – in my Dept, banning all full-time officials; no one being able to spend more than a maximum of 40% of their time on Union duties.

    Managers were instructed to enforce this, but almost immediately found it impossible because some TU reps found ways of getting round it, adding things like Health and Safety duties, TU Learning Rep duties and representation at disciplinaries / tribunals to their 40% – something that Labour’s employment regulation allowed. Those employment regulations are still in place and have the potential to knock a hole in Frankie’s plans. Expect many more requests for represenation at personal cases!!!

    I have to say that for every rep that took the piss (who tended to be activists) there were many more who were quite reasonable (and many of who thought Serwotka was a tossa).

  10. 10
    Tachybaptus says:

    Does anyone believe that useless Cameron will do anything substantial? My guess is that it will be like his bonfire of the quangos: some vapid boasts then everything goes on as before.

  11. 11
    Well done Guido! says:

    Keep on at the bastards! -

  12. 12
    Useless Cameron says:

    I don’t get called useless for no reason you know! But I’ve got a nice little income lined up in Brussels when I get promotion. They promised!

  13. 13
    A. YoonYun says:


  14. 14
    Ed Moribund says:

    The labour party apologise for the late arrival of this morning’s bandwagon.
    This was due to several earlier bandwagons already causing congestion in the media.

    The next bandwagon is expected at 08.04am on the today program. Fertility for lezzers or third world debt or occupy..who really cares..as long as there’s 2 minutes of telly footage in it.

  15. 15
    Gordon Brown says:

    I can’t get to sleep! – I keep feeling a noose tightening round my neck!

  16. 16
    Ivor Tapeworm says:

    Ah, the ‘Nurse’, the Standard Unit of measurement when it comes to protesting against cuts. I bet the Pilgrim’s don’t like that when the measurement is used against them.

  17. 17
    Ivor Tapeworm says:

    I apologise abjectly for the superfluous apostrophe BTW.

  18. 18
    The Usual Crowd Of Leftie Agitators says:

  19. 19
    The Paragnostic says:

    You are Grocer Ted Heath, and I claim my £5.

  20. 20
    The Paragnostic says:

    Given that more civil service union reps are likely to be bints than blokes, it’s probable that cutting down on Pilgrims will be found to be against Harridan Hatesmen’s equality legislation.

    I wish I was kidding.

  21. 21
    Gordon Brown says:

    As has been widely rumoured, I have indeed discovered the Higg’s Bosun. I have figures to prove it!

  22. 22
    not a machine says:

    £36mn is that per annum ???

    Unions should be pleased that they will at last stand proud and contribute to the deficet plan to help with future jobs .

    Chuuka will be surprised ?…….. why anyone would think he respresents a party that is er pure teflon .

    I know its not topic , but being as drug abuse is being looked at , heres my 2 penneth worth . Whilst drug abuse does not carry the same stigma as when I was young , and I doubt very much at how effective one can be in trying to tell the closed world of rebellious youth , in what is culturally accepted as some sort of move to adulthood , I do not think any government should legalise the altering of minds through drug abuse , based on the simplistic studys of people giving experencial evidence of what it does to them . What may be one set of “funny as in laughing” experinces of drugs , is not how in other situations it can work . As we seen some of new drugs have led to naked car trips and desires to eat peoples faces off .
    I appreciate the argument that by legaliseing it you can collect the revenues for treatment , but even then one has to consider what would happen to the illegal market .
    I lost an aquaintence to drugs and certainly seen more than enough real life evidence , to conclude that even those with the more chic habits , were not quite as well as they seemed . It may well be that over the last 30yrs the war on drugs has been lost , but that doesnt mean it is permanently lost .

    If the liberals want to lose on any debate about , the state doing its job to encourage the destruction of minds and lives through legalising , I would think there understanding of treatment , for the huge ammount of users that dont seek it , is seriously flawed . The worst cases are of course shocking and deeply troubling , but it is the effect on the not so worse cases that legalising would no doubt have , should be considered . Could it not be the case that any legalisation effort would allow only the so called “safer” drugs , leaving the illegal market to carry on with the more dangerous ones or strengths .
    Yes lots of drug users do live perhaps strange but not ,publically dangerous lives , where perhaps the drugs used have sedative properties . But should a government not be concerned at the other ones ?

    One report had some drugs were effectively wearing out the brain and we should expect a wave of early dementia cases, so in any pricing you may want to include the costs in later life , which again may make them expensive compared to the illegal market , if one is talking about taxes .

    I dont deny culturally there are divisons and difficulty on the subject , in part because , the soft liberating vibe of drug use as being somthing of life itself , has replaced the old more clean stance , and i no doubt sound like granddad in an unstoppable force of people just having fun .

    I think it is lazy to want to legalise drugs , let alone the road taken by some EU countries , that claim one benefit , but hide so many unbenefical aspects .

  23. 23
    Ed Moribund says:

    Use the time wisely Gordon. You nearly discovered the Higgs Bosun particle yesterday.

    Turned out to be a Golden Graham, but keep trying.

  24. 24
    not a machine says:

    In short ,yes I do think he will do somthing useful . Although I admitt that some times , I have had doubts, That is the funny thing about faith. Personally I put quite a bit down to learning and some very difficult situations , nearly all the coalition cabinet ministers have never held ministeral positions before , let alone how pro Uk they individually may be .
    Is David Cameron an able politician and PM ? put it another way , who do you think could come close and then you begin to see that is not as easy a question, labour or liberals have no one even close on abilitiy or credible…

    I have had despair over some issues and still do with a few subjects , but that doesnt mean I think of him as useless , I cannot recall which debate it was when , he delivered a speech as any mp would ,but he was very articulate and informed .Though they seem to have banned him from the practice since then ,

  25. 25
    not a machine says:

    Please please let there be a typo :)

  26. 26
    Tachybaptus says:

    ‘Very articulate and informed’ maybe, but does that make him capable? I think not. Sir Thomas Browne, in The Anatomy of Melancholy, gets such people about right:

    Make the best of him, a good Orator, is a turnecoat, an evill man, bonus Orator pessimus vir[1], he is a meere voice, as he[2] said of a Nightingale, dat sine mente sonum[3] an hypebolical lier, a flatterer, a parasite, and as Ammianus Marcellinus will, a corrupting cosener, one that doth more mischiefe by his faire speeches, then he that bribes by money, for a man may with more facility avoide him that circumvents by mony, then him that deceives with glosing termes, which made Socrates so much abhorre and explode them.

    [1] ‘A good orator is the worst man.’
    [2] ‘he’ = Lipsius.
    [3] ‘He makes a sound without a mind.’

  27. 27
    Anon Voter says:

    Will it a Wednesday to remember with PMQ’s @ Noon, no doubt Milliepeed The Minor will prove he is full of flatulence, piss & sh*t with his demands for a full Leverson type enquiry into the crooked W*nker Bankers……No doubt CMD The One Term Tory Toff Liar will as usual let Milliepeed The Minor slip out of the noose & of course all aided & abetted by the Biased Broadcasting Company aka BBC, it was such a great idea of CDM to make his bed fellow the wet Chris Patten Chairman of BBC (Dis)Trust, what a difference he has made since his appointment, I think not……

    Then @ 2pm the Star Turn Bob Diamond in front of the select committee of Pimps & Parasites they will prove yet again how useless they are by not being able to land a glove on him. Of course the Americans will love this comedy show timed for there 4th of July holiday…..

    ConsLieLaborLibDems all have a vested interest to ensure this fraud is well & truely swept under the carpet……..for good……the last thing they will allow is for the great unwashed to be exposed to all of there underhand devious ways…….But lets hope none of it goes to plan……something called Sods Law….

  28. 28
    Dudley Zoo says:

    i guess Dave and Co will find some way of increasing the number of tax payer funded Pilgrims yet appear middle class angry about the whole thing

  29. 29
    smoggie says:

    Pilgrim’s Regress

  30. 30
    Marmite says:

    Yes Mctw*t, you have finally become a God!

  31. 31
    UKIP.i.am says:

    Rumour has it that Gordon is hovering around the Ecuadorian Embassy and it has nothing to do with Assange. Will Diamond turn Brown into an asylum seeker today?

  32. 32
    Backwoodsman says:

    Cameron deservedly gets the flack for being someway short of what Tory voters and party members had a right to expect. However, with a few honourable exceptions, he’s getting very little back up from the troops. Is this because they are so pissed off with him that they refuse to fight his corner, or is it because they have been micro managed into silence ?
    13 fricken years, whoever is running the Tory central office had to get their ducks in a row and come out with a list of labour targets that would prove popular with the votors. 13 years to plan their assult on the labour client state. Here they are 2 years in, thinking about dipping a toe in the water. Pathetic. Any pain they suffer is self inflicted.

  33. 33
    BBC spokesman says:

    I see nothing wrong in left wingers getting loads of cash from right-wing taxpayers in order to promote left wing policies in any area.

  34. 34
    The Eagle shows its claws says:

    Bob isn’t going to play patsy and roll over like journalists in the phone hacking furore …he knows he has the “smoking gun” and a trail that leads to the very heart of the British establishment and the last Labour Government….it’ll be more than Bankers heads rolling in the sand after to-day if the politicians goad him too far…..Barclays is fighting for reputational value of the brand and Barclays feel that they are being unfairly singled out when other banks for the moment have escaped without too much bad publicity and Barclays are in the mood to exact revenge……..

  35. 35
    Triple A says:

    It’s FLAK – from FLugzeugAbwehrKanone

    Flack was a singer – Roberta Flack.

  36. 36
    Fictional figures says:

    So, make them redundant and tell them to piss off to the union office in the front courtyard….. and then make an appointment to see any full time civil servant outisde working hours. Not really difficult.

  37. 37
    supercilious critic says:

    Robert Burton, ignoramus

  38. 38

    Fighting for the reputational value of its brand….that’s one of the fondest imaginings of a Barclays marketing manager. It’s like Katie Price worrying about her virginity.

  39. 39
    Another (and there are thousands) BBC spokesman says:

    By the way, we shan’t be reporting this.

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  41. 41
    Frankie - Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - Maude says:

    You want fucking mental? I’ll give you fucking mental.

  42. 42
    BBC weather spokesperson says:

    “What happened to July”

    Our predictions from 1991 are spot-on, England is now experiencing record high temperatures. We must build more wind mills, have more hose pipe ban’s, give out more grants to left wing academics to write books, papers and pamphlets on AGW, More extremely important international summits and most important of all we must step up our ‘education’ program through the BBC and schools, even if it means taken the children into ‘care’ until they get with the program. More money is needed for all these and other ‘initiatives’, to do all this we must introduce, through the EUSSR, new laws on warming denial and higher taxes.

  43. 43

    Somewhat prolix, unlike above. ;-)

  44. 44
    Captain Underpants says:

    Warning: contains references to and images of Bryant:


  45. 45
    Lord Kinnock of Wind-Baggery! says:

    Mr Diamond is ultimately responsible for what happened at Barclays due to the illegal actions of an underling even if he was unaware of what was going on. It’s the same principle in any business. Who was in charge of the state when it colluded and encouraged the banks to fix libor rates?

  46. 46
    Frankie - Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - Maude says:

    I need some of what you’re smoking.

  47. 47
    Nothing better to do says:

    The entire government and bank apparatus is guilty of systematic theft, counterfeiting, market manipulation, collusion, anti competitive practices and just about every other sort of financial crime you can imagine. All the time people think that government control of anything is good you will have this going on. Massive cuts in the size and power of the state and it’s ability to foster “too big to fail” banks is the only cure.

  48. 48
    Anonymous says:

    The annual cost to the taxpayer is £36,000,000. It has been pointed out that this is the equivalent of the salary and benefits of Bob Diamond for a year.

  49. 49
    Loyalist says:

    The salary of the a nurse, the area of Wales……can I suggest a new cliche – the amount every UK taxpayer has contributed to shoring up our illustrious banks? It’s nearly £20,000, since you ask. So ending pilgrimages would mean a whole 1,800 taxpayers not having to give the banks their £20k.

  50. 50
    A retired shop steward says:

    Next time there is trouble on shop floor sort it yourself Toryboy

  51. 51
    Len McTrotsky says:

    Come into the garden, Maude, and marvel at my weeds.

  52. 52
    Polly Twaddle says:

    Getting rid of Pilgrims will just create more poverty. I know all about poverty, I write about it from either my million pound home in Islington or my million pound home in Tuscany.

  53. 53
    Tony Eden from Eton says:

    i do not think the British Public realize the enormity of this Barclays situation.

    In one respect the dumming down of the educational system is a good thing . In another it is not.

    Barclays stand accused of market manipulation in which they may or may not have been helped by the BOE and UK Government. One thing is certain is that Barclays are not the only Uk Bank involved and herein lies the problem and eventual demise of UK Plc.

    at the time of writing there are lawyers across the pond ,even on Independence Day, preparing class action lawsuits.

    In the months to come they will be turning their attention to the likes of Lloyds and RBS. Who owns over 60% of these Banks ? Why the good old british taxpayer of course! And what economic lesson has been given to these taxpayers?


    Have a nice day!

  54. 54
    Fawkbender says:

    Prpbably call in the army with sabres drawn

  55. 55
    Fawkbender says:

    Oooo aren’t you the one

  56. 56
    jgm2 says:

    You are wrong. The grand total of losses in ‘shoring up the UK banks’ is of the order of 60bn quid. Most – if not all – of which we stand to get back. This works out at around 1000 pounds each. A lot of cash admittedly but then all that reckless lending during the Imbecility did mean that your average house increased in value from 80K to 240K so, in a way, you’re 159K better off.

    Or you’re 161K further in debt. But then that never occurred to the average voter when ‘the boom’ was in full swing.

    1000 quid is a rounding error in the damage done by the Maximum Imbecile.

  57. 57
    jgm2 says:

    36 million is a lot of money but then Bob Diamond actually generated a lot of money for his company. Compare and contrast that with the annual 150K we were paying the Maximum Imbecile to destroy the entire UK economy. Or the 120K (or whatever) Bob Crow gets for costing Londoners several hundred million pounds in lost productivity every time he fancies a ‘bonus’ for doing his job.

  58. 58
    Well it's a thought says:

    I’ll hang on it’s only 8:30am, give camoron another hour or so to figure out what the speech of his next U turn will be about.

  59. 59
    jgm2 says:

    Quite right. But that may be a function of failing to win a majority.

  60. 60
    Fawkbender says:

    But our dear leader has stated that he will be introducing laws so that rogue traders will be personally liable

  61. 61
    Phil from the Wrekenton Seven Stars says:

    A guy in the pub last night said that the new politics is the politics of envy.

    I thought he was pissed at the time but perhaps he was not.

  62. 62
    To all politicians says:

    It is said that power corrupts, but actually it’s more true that power attracts the corruptible.

  63. 63
    nellnewman says:

    Is there anything the last labour government did that did not cause us harm and an excessive amount of money?

  64. 64
    oh dear strike brothers says:

    What’s up ,the shop stewards will still be able to stir the sh*t up but will have to be paid by the unions instead out of your pension taxes.

  65. 65
    nellnewman says:

    Is bobdiamond going to deliver the final blow to gordonbrown’s already tattered reputation today? I do hope so.

  66. 66
    Raving Loon says:

    I really hope Bob Diamond sticks it to the Bank of England. Central bankers need to have the spotlight put on them.

  67. 67
    Tonto says:

    Bolted Horse Closing Gate We Up Screw

    Back No Way

  68. 68
    Frankie - Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - Maude says:

    Nothing that Cameron hasn’t been able to keep on doing.

  69. 69
    Being honest says:

    I for one simply wish Bob Diamond well in his ordeal today.

    My advice to him would be to relax take a deep breath and just tell the truth.

  70. 70

    Well, nell, Gordon did not take us into the Euro.

    But before we rush away with the idea that he did have a redeeming feature after all, let me scotch that by saying that he kept the pound because he wanted to keep the controls for his own megalomaniac purposes and not out of any goodwill to the British public.

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    Fawkbender says:

    If, I say if, there have been criminal activities and Bob Diamond is implicated he will be in the US, the USA does not do extradition of it citizens. If Bob Diamond is totally clean and it’s all those others he will have every right to fight his corner and extract his revenge. It seems that Teddy Balls was not involved at the time because he was “children’s secretary” so who was involved at the time, someone either knew what was going on or should have known what was going on, or is it that someone knew but did not pass the information on.

  73. 73
    The People's Tony says:

    Works for me.

  74. 74
    Loyalist says:

    Bailouts, loans and state guarantees to UK banks: £1.2 trillion.
    Source: IMF

    When can I start spending the £20k I’m going to get back?

  75. 75
    Anonymous says:

    Didn’t take you long to forget about tory banking crimes, Greedo.

  76. 76
    Norman Stanley Fletcher says:

    No, it was due to that nazi commie filth Crow calling out his bandwagon drivers on strike.

  77. 77
    BBC spokesman says:

    Diamond’s £36million is paid for by Barclays out of their net profits not from millions of unwilling taxpayers.

  78. 78
    Welcome to Totalitarian Britain says:

    Man Arrested, Tried In Secret For Non-Payment Of Tax


    British Constitution Group Chairman Roger Hayes was arrested by police yesterday morning in scenes “reminiscent of Stasi East Germany,” before being tried in secret and sentenced to prison over Hayes’ refusal to pay state taxes.

    Four officers in two police cars arrived to arrest Hayes at his Wirral home yesterday morning at 8:30am

    The first his family heard of him was at 18:30 this evening via a telephone call from a Warder in Liverpool prison, to say that Roger had been tried and sentenced to prison.

    At no time were the family or any other members of the public informed of his arrest, and it is understood that he was tried in a secret court without a Jury.

    Hayes’ arrest and secret trial represents a new intensity in the British government’s efforts to stop a tax revolt spreading across the country in light of yet more financial scandals with the news that Barclays Bank was responsible for an interest rigging scandal to manipulate the Libor rate between 2005 and 2009.

  79. 79
    Gordon Brown says:

    In think I have found the Higgs Boson as there is dark matter in my pants

  80. 80
    rockape says:

    If you think you can shake these free Loaders Loose you need to go have your Bumps read.

  81. 81
    Quisling says:

    Remind me what they were?

  82. 82
    Larry Livingstone says:

    Mr Diamond will be in HOC today.

    Just ask him to leave his passport with the Committee.


    No problem.

  83. 83
    Anonymous says:

    I know lots of people of integrity in the banking industry.

    ha ha h ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

  84. 84

    Can i insert my Huge Hardon Collider into your Black Hole ?

  85. 85
    yeah, right.... says:

    Indeed. And the two are not unrelated.

    1. Unions poncing public money via ‘piligrims’ – Labour to blame
    2. Bail out of banks which should have been allowed to fail – Labour to blame.

    Despite Balls, Harman, Umana et al repeating as nauseum that the Tories are the bankers friends, let’s just take time to remember who decided that the state should get into the banking business.

  86. 86
    Shitti & Bollox says:

    You can’t pin anything on us. We’re clean.

  87. 87
    Quisling says:

    Don’t talk about the audience on here like that, its unkind (but true)

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    UKIP.i.am says:

    But he was involved at the time. This Libor fixing started in 2006 when he was working in the Treasury.

    “Balls became Economic Secretary to the Treasury, a junior ministerial position in HM Treasury, in the government reshuffle of May 2006. When Gordon Brown became Prime Minister on 27 Jun 2007, Balls was promoted to Secretary of State for Children, Schools and Families.”

    Hoping for a Galloway-day today. Remember when the Yanks yanked him in for a hearing?

  89. 89
    Golly says:

    Even if Toryboy was to call in Capita PLC to sort the problem out I am sure he would still get some change from 36 million pounds.

  90. 90
    Quisling says:

    Is it true that nuclear physicists looking for a partner go to singularity bars?

  91. 91
    jgm2 says:

    You’re confusing the ‘state guarantee’ with actual money.

  92. 92
    Quisling says:

    They only event I can think of is Brown resigning

  93. 93

    Better get my cell ready !
    after paying more tax last year than ever before
    i have hardly worked this year so won’t be paying any this year !

  94. 94
    UKIP.i.am says:

    Oh the horror of unions actually paying for themselves to sort out their own greedy, ransom demands.

  95. 95
    Taxpayer says:

    I have nothing wring with reasonable reps spending time on repping reasonably. I simply want the union to pay for them, not me.

  96. 96
    UKIP.i.am says:

    But they did throw away the EU Rebate that Thatcher fought so hard for. Still what’s an extra billion or two a year. It’s not as if we need it, is it?

  97. 97
    Hannibal says:

    I often have that Nick Clegg for dinner.

  98. 98
    Homer Simpson says:

    Ooh. Entertainment!

  99. 99
    An investor says:

    Barclays. A bunch of criminals.

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    My Comment is Awaiting Moderation says:

    Will this saving be enough to keep the Royal Brompton Hospital children’s heart surgery unit open?

    If not, could the Unions repay the money taken in previous years to keep the hospital open?

  101. 101
    Gordon Braun says:

    And try to smile convincingly like what I do

  102. 102
    UKIP.i.am says:

    So Tony Blair is a Tory now? Isn’t he still working for Morgan Chase?

  103. 103

    I heard Mathematicians with constipation , work it out with a pencil

  104. 104
    UKIP.i.am says:

    It is Labour’s Bank Of England crimes we are interested as well, unlike the BBC.

  105. 105
    Facts gentlemen please says:

    You provide no evidence the trial was in secret. Which court was it?

  106. 106
    My Comment is Awaiting Moderation says:

    Well it would have enabled us to increase our foreign aid donations by an equivalent amount.

  107. 107
    Jesus says:

    When did banking become an ‘industry’?

  108. 108
    jgm2 says:

    When we started printing massive amounts of cash to buy the Maximum Imbecile another election.

  109. 109
    UKIP.i.am says:

    Between 2005 and 2209? Balls was in the Treasury from 2006 to 2007. Coincidence? What was he doing? What was Brown doing? Hopeless with the press, hopeless with MP expenses and hopeless withe the economy. That just about sums up the Labour shower. Hopeless.

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    CERN Physicist's Mate says:

    Did you find the bosUn on a ship?

  111. 111
    Gonk says:

    Dave. Two years ago. First day in office. “Right BBC, goodnight from me and goodbye for you”

  112. 112
    Lord Scalded Bollock says:

    You couldn’t make it up !

    Robert Diamond to appear in front of expense thieves today at House Of Commons

    What a joke !

  113. 113
    Swervyn King says:

    £36 million…that’ll just about be the sum that Bob Diamond will be paid not to shaft the establishment later today.

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    UKIP.i.am says:

    There’s plenty of people in the banking industry who are in unions. What does your statement say about them?

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    UKIP.i.am says:

    hee hee.

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    Blinky named and shamed says:

    Speculation that Bob Diamond will today reveal that Ed Balls pressured Barclays to fix the Libor rate. Get the popcorn!

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    Ah! Monika says:

    What time does the show start?

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    nellnewman says:

    tory banking crimes? will their value exceed gordons trashed economy, the £billions spent on illegal war, the £billions stolen from pensions and the manipulation of the Libor rate through which people lost homes and businesses and pensioners lost interest on what pittance gordon had left them after he had raided their pensions &savings?

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    Ah! Monika says:

    Bars?? Singularity !!

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    Raving Loon says:

    I hope Bob takes everyone down with him. Balls, Merv, everyone. A proper scorched Earth policy to screw with all this grand-standing public figures who are just as corrupt, if not more so, than any investment banker.

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    Pawn Sandwich says:

    The only reason Gordon kept the pound was because Tony Blair wanted to go into the euro. A nations future decided on bile and spite.

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    nellnewman says:

    I think t’ll turn out to be shriekshriti who was gordon’s right hand man and wrote the policy on lowering the libor rate. Although laughably last night she said she ‘couldn’t remember’ anything about it.

    Where’s gordon? darling has said it’s nothing to with him and his office was clean, bullyballs said he was somewhere else. gordon has not uttered a word . Last heard of he was hiding in his kirkcaldy playroom. Door locked, curtains pulled, lights out.

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    Loungelizard says:

    Not at all….BBC cleared Balls of any involvement this morning. Cameron and Osborne, who list among their many affluent friends Bankers etc. have serious questions to answer.

  124. 124
    nellnewman says:

    2pm . Thought I’d get myself some popcorn then thought maybe champagne would be good,

  125. 125
    Quisling says:

    John Mann MP on Sky News just now.
    What a shouty idiot he is does he not know what a microphone is. Saying he wont be put off Barclays illegality by anything else Diamond has to say.
    Oh wait he is a Labour MP

  126. 126
    Bollinger says:

    We are looking for new customers to replace our old customers

  127. 127
    nellnewman says:

    expect militwit today to jump on a new bandwagon in hope of diverting attention.

  128. 128
    nellnewman says:

    Oh Bollinger’s too expensive for a poor pensioner like me . I was thinking more 1/2bottle of veuve de vernay perhaps. One has to be prudent in these difficult times that the last labour government has bequeathed us.

  129. 129
    nellnewman says:

    Ah militwit using no account backbench mp’s now to keep up pressure whilst he too goes into hiding then?

  130. 130
    Gordon Brown says:

    Myself, Ed Balls, Ed Miliband, Sue, Shriti and Darling were all at an ‘Arctic Monkeys’ gig at the time of the alleged offences. We can show you the pictures from ‘OK’ magazine

  131. 131
    Anon. says:

    Any truth in the rumour that scientists at CERN are expected to announce the discovery of Tony Blairs expense sheets ?

  132. 132
    Blinky says:

    I voz ownlee following zer orders!

  133. 133
    Gordon Brown says:

    I would like to wish Andy Murray the very best of luck in his match today at Wimbledon.

  134. 134
    Quisling says:

    Ecuadorian Embassy complains to UK government about sudden rise in political asylum requests especially from career left wing political theorists. Plans to bring in urgent immigration controls.

    Cambodia says Gary Glitters old house is still for rent

  135. 135
    the establishment says:

    Goodness me yes! It’s crucial that we survive!

  136. 136
    Boiled - says:

    - or roasted?

  137. 137
    Axe The Telly Tax says:


  138. 138
    nellnewman says:

    shritivadera reported to have wiped memory.

  139. 139
    Axe The Telly Tax says:

    Apparently Gordon Brown, while playing with one of his bogies, has discovered the long sought after Brown Boso, with an atomic weight heavier than gold. Hereafter it will be refered to as the Gordo particle ;-)

  140. 140
    nellnewman says:

    That’s where gordon’s hiding! He’s gone into the ecuadorian embassy to plead with assange not to release papers relating to last labour government and the Libor rate.

    And then he’s going to ask for asylum so that he doesn’t have to appe@r before another Inquiry and tell more lies.

  141. 141
    Gordon Brown says:

    I was jiving at the disco when the bigs boys were fiddling the Libor rates

  142. 142
    Lord Mynarse of Buckpassing says:

    I will say more than just ‘I don’t recall’, I categorically deny ever recalling anything that happened in the City at this time.

  143. 143
    Glen Mulclaire says:

    Watch this space ladies 7 gents,boys & girls.

    I’m going to name names !!!!!!

  144. 144
    Raving Loon says:

    I suppose you’ve got to give the Beeboids credit for their chutzpah on how they’re sticking the rate fixing and phone hacking scandals on the Tories, even though Labour were in charge at the time.

  145. 145
    Diverbeachbum says:

    Actually it appears from the internal email sent, Barclays, expressed concerns that they were being asked to manipulate the LIBOR rate lower, as they were setting it too high, compared to the other banks RBS for instance. This whole mess came from Government in 2008. The ministers in charge should be charged with fraud, and locked up. It looks like another mess covered up by Labour.

  146. 146
    Fabians are Evil says:

    Andy bloody Murray!!!!

    Twat that he is – whenever he wins he is scottish – whenever he looses he is british -the fukker is just like that other scottish bastard brown.

  147. 147
    Mike Hunt says:


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    Trundlemaster says:

    Facts Gentlemen please, my thoughts exactly. This event with Mr Hayes may well be as has been stated but on the other hand it may well be just conspiracy theory bollocks.

    The fact that this is being reported via Prison Planet a notorious conspiracy theorist site is a major negative for me about this story and its provanence.

    I’ve been following this case since it appeared on the web last night and I cannot find any other reliable source other than the press release that has been doing the rounds of the libertarian blogs.

    If this case is true then people may get out to support Mr Hayes if not and it’s just conspiraloon rubbish then I and others are not going to stick our necks out.

    Can we have more reliable info in order for us to make up our minds please.

  149. 149
    Mike Hunt says:

    Which also failed, thank goodness.

  150. 150
    Anon Voter says:

    Just been reported that Bob Diamond plans a walk through the woods before this afternoon’s appearance in front of the Select Committee of MP’s @ HoC

    Hmmmmmm I wonder is history about repeat its self & the Special Dirty Ops deal with this explosive matter in there usual devious dark arts way……………

    Hope Bob has plenty of his own trusted security personnel with him when he goes for the walk otherwise……………….!!!!!!!!!

  151. 151
    Anonymous says:

    If you can fake sincerity you’ve got it made!

  152. 152
    Harry Stottle says:

    Er ….. if the trial was in secret, how would there be any evidence ?

  153. 153
    Loungelizard says:

    Having spent years pouring ghastly fizz into assorted flowerpots the Lizards now drink Cava, in fact we drink little else.

  154. 154
    annette curton says:

    CERN scientists say 350 million to one chance that this is not something which has a 99% certainty… a ships bosun.

  155. 155
    Spooks says:

    Unfortunately he is too large for a North Face holdall

  156. 156
    Harry Stottle says:

    I always savour those words – ‘the last Labour government’.

  157. 157
    Barclays Bent Spindoctor says:

    Remember boys that it was all the Bank of Englland’s fault because of a phone call in 2008

    Ignore the fact that we have admitted fiddling LIBOR since 2005 !

  158. 158
    Dave (Windmills of my Mind) says:

    People are starting to say that I’m all promise and no delivery so I’ve decided on a new political strategy. I’ll make a load of promises about what I’ll do after the next election when I’m Prime Minister again. By that time people will have forgotten that I didn’t deliver on any of my promises this time around. Sorted!

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  160. 160
    Russian Oligarch and his bent City solicitors says:

    Hello again Guido

    I am back from the yacht for a few days

    I’m very glad to see that the British banks have taken to behaving like us…

    Fiddle thieve and pillage is the order of the day

    They must continue

  161. 161
    Anonymous says:

    What the fuck does that mean?

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  163. 163
    Gordon Brown says:

    What’s a bank? I’ve never been to Westminster in my life.

  164. 164
    Quisling says:

    There fixed it for you ….

    Hello again Guido

    I am back from the yacht for a few days

    I’m very glad to see that the British banks Labour Party have taken to behaving like us…

    Fiddle thieve and pillage is the order of the day

    They must continue

  165. 165
    Wikepeadia is your friend says:


  166. 166
    Ah! Monika says:

    Had Pol Roger 2000 on Saturday as was served at THE WEDDING. Bottles seem to be getting smaller.

  167. 167
    Anonymous says:

    They used “logs” in my day.

  168. 168

    …and the LieBore party with credible politics.

  169. 169
    annette curton says:

    Dave trying to text the word competent?.

  170. 170
    Raving Loon says:

    Or WMD’s in Iraq?

  171. 171
    Honest View says:

    Didn’t Burton write “The Anatomy of Melancholy” rather than Browne???

  172. 172
    Andy Murray says:


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    Call me Dave says:


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    It’s a different type of asylum required for Mr McMad Nell

  175. 175
    nellnewman says:

    You may be quite right but unfortunately today it is the last labour government which is in the spotlight and the dock and no amount of diversionary tactic by the left is going to turn attention away from them. Sorry.

  176. 176
    EdBallsMutteringIdiot says:

    Insufficient ineffective opposition is the charge by Al-Beeba!

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    I must be a banker
    as Sarah says i’m always leaving large deposits around the house

  178. 178
    annette curton says:

    Ah, Office of Lifelong Learning.

  179. 179
    nellnewman says:

    At a buffet party we held week or two back someone brought us a bottle of Torretta Prosecco Brut. Haven’t opened it yet. That might be appropriate.

  180. 180
    Filthy Rich Capitalist says:

    Politicians will always try and manipulate the financial markets, for the simple reason, because they can. It has been happening for years. Why do you think Gordon Brown sold Gold at the bottom of the market? He was asked to by Goldman Sachs, who in turn were acting on behalf of they Client, the Federal Reserve, who in turn were proxies for the US Government. If Gold rises the Dollar falls, a falling Dollar is a sign of US economic weakness. The US Government wished to deflect eyes from their deficit financed economy, which a rising Gold and falling Dollar price would highlight. Hence they asked their buddy Gordon to sell the Gold, which he did, and the UK taxpayer has been paying for it ever since. I juts hope some of all this financial corruption is exposed by Bob Diamond this afternoon because he is not to blame. The blame lies with the politicians and their central banks.

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    Just saying says:

    There are loads of cases where people are arrested on outstanding warrrants to appear in front of magistrates. It is quite common for them to be brought into court asap: far better than them sitting untried in a police station.

    The allegation here is of something more sinister, but there is no evidence to support it. WTTB mere states something as fact but does not give the information which would enable anyone to check it. Can he at least name the court?

  182. 182
    The Labour Party says:

    People should not be distracted from the fact that Barclays – BANKERS BANKERS TORY BANKERS – did something illegal by the insignificant technicality that the Labour government told them to.

    Thank you.

  183. 183

    Too big to fail is the goal of all megalomaniacs, sorry CEO’s, as it guarantees a whore’s charter – power without ultimate responsibility.

    Look at oil companies, car retailers, insurance companies, Microsoft etc… – there may be some credibility in espousing the tedious “economy of scale” cliche to justify the constant mergers and acquisitions of rival companies, but it is usually because they are either a perceived threat to profitability, or are trophy purchases to flatter the board. (Rover, Land Rover & Mini/BMW, Aston Martin/ Ford – to be fair – only one of those was left much better off for the experience!)

    The fact remains that successful, big businesses have a tendency to be run by people with psychopathic tendencies – they have no empathy, no conscience and a skewed moral compass, with themselves as magnetic north.

    What result can be reasonably expected, under those circumstances, when Government (Gordmong – what tendencies displayed?) doesn’t mitigate the excesses by implementing and enforcing effective legislation?

  184. 184
    Handycock Capo di Capo Soviet Republic of Portsmouth says:

    This is outrageous. Unions and their Representatives should be financed by public money and always will be in Portsmouth, while I am in charge. Boaz.

  185. 185

    Anyway, Dahling, we have to have lovely union people in place and paid really well out of the public purse to stop those horrible employers and baby eating Tories from getting rid of scum, sorry, honest toilers who haven’t been at the top of their game or indeed any where near it for, well, ever, but expect the company to borrow the money to pay them against “future profits” just to keep them in a made up job.

    Sent from my Tena Pad.


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    HR Manager says:

    If you pay full time union reps you can see them as you need to and use them to help maintain good working relationships!

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    Sometimes, for me, it’s not so much what they do that grips my colon, but the shamefaced, brass necked air of fucking entitlement that they exude – pensions, working conditions, union representation – all taxpayer bloody funded, and they think they’re worth it! Get the union to pay it out of union fees – that’s what they are for!

    Taxation without representation – stick ‘em all in tea chests and fling the bastards into Boston Harbour.

  188. 188
    Anon Spoke Person says:

    George Entwistle has been named as the New Director General of Biased Broadcasting Company aka BBC with a basic salary package of £421K plus extras it should be noted that he started his career as a trainee journalist at BBC.

    Ed Milliepeed The Minor welcomed his appointment as it will ensure the continued left wing bias from all divisions of this magnificent organisation called the BBC which ZanuLieLabor is deeply grateful for there continued support 24/7 against the nasty Tory party

  189. 189
    Kevin T says:

    And that’s why the union should do that. Can you give me another example of when one organisation pays someone for doing the work of another organisation, with an entirely different agenda?

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    taC eht abbaJ says:

    Logically it means we can make the 248 redundant immediately and at least 3400 of the 6800 part timers can be let go whilst the remainder get back to doing full time non union work. Personally, I’d fire all 6800 just to make a point but…

  191. 191
    taC eht abbaJ says:

    The 50 cal was designed for dealing with crowds of union fodder like that…

  192. 192
    Anonymous says:

    There is a big element of mutual benefit in a major organisation having a competent, professional trade union rep dealing with areas of conflict rather than having an untrained rabble rouser trying to make a name for mim/herself!

  193. 193

    No, twat face – you discovered the Greggs Bonus – a free paper bag with every hot sausage roll.

  194. 194

    The length of time and lack of pauses for breath would suggest more the use of BBC executives “mirror dandruff”.

  195. 195

    Sounds like the basis on which I ended my first marriage.

  196. 196

    Don’t break out the Champers just yet. Frankie ain’t scrapped anything, he’s only collecting information.

    Don’t forget Frankies promised bonfire of the quango’s turned out to be a damp squib

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    Trundlemaster says:

    To Just Saying… I agree with you that an arrest for non payment of fines for example and swiftly dealing with it is not really that unusual. However, these allegations of more sinister activity need to be backed up with harder evidence so that these details can be checked.

    I take the same view about Prison Planet as some librarians do about Wikipedia, it might be fun to read but it’s not a primary source.

    Taking your info from conspiraloon sites is setting your self up to be called an idiot as happened to the fools who believed the rot put about by the loons about the boxing day tsunami being caused by an under sea nuclear weapon set off by the US/Israelis/Indians/what have you.

  198. 198
    Fawkbender says:

    Sorry Cammers, the offer has been withdrawn due to lack of interest

  199. 199
    Fawkbender says:

    By gad sir! The government should sent in the cavalry sabres drawn, guns, that’s the yanky way

  200. 200
    Fawkbender says:

    But has anyone told Cammers?

  201. 201
    Fawkbender says:


  202. 202
    Fawkbender says:

    Well they are all in it together Frankie boy

  203. 203
    Fawkbender says:

    And Cammers & Gideon just continued Gordo’s “good” work or did they not know what was going on, they have been in power over 2 years

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    Loyalist says:

    jgm2: Always good to read stimulating comments from people who prefer bankers to trade unionist. When you say “you” are wrong and “you” are confusing the state guarantee with real money. I’ve assumed this is a plural “you”, meaning me and the IMF. So I had a quick word with Christine Lagarde and she reckons you’ve been watching the Tony Hancock episode where he asks the bank cashier to show him the actual fiver he deposited some time ago. Real money.

    I’m thinking of taking out a loan to cover the tax rebate you’ve promised, be it £1k or £20k. What sort of money do you think I should go for?

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