June 28th, 2012

Lord Sugar Reveals Gordon Brown Shouting Matches

Lord Sugar revealed all about his ill-fated spell as Gordon Brown’s enterprise champion during a speech to the Industry and Parliament Trust at Portcullis House last night. The Labour peer recalled how their conversations on boosting business achieved nothing as Gordon would regularly lose the plot:

It was frustrating. Gordon wanted me to give him ideas on how to make British business great again but everything I said fell on deaf ears. It would always just end with him shouting me down.

Sugar went on to accuse Brown’s “British jobs for British workers” pledge of being an empty promise, describing his annoyance at the Prime Mentalist’s lack of desire to fight EU red tape. It must have been a new experience for the Apprentice boss to have been on the receiving end…


  1. 1
    jgm2 says:

    There is a pattern emerging.

  2. 2
    Wrong says:


    It is “passion” ;)

  3. 3
    Neville Thurncoat says:

    It started at Barcleys . Gordon McDoom

  4. 4
    Gordon Brown says:

    Someone is lying

  5. 5
    Gordon Brown says:

    I accept full responsibility. That is why Lord Sugar as the person responsible had to go

  6. 6
    jgm2 says:

    If every time somebody lies an angel cries then that explains the fucking awful weather in Fife.

  7. 7
    had enough says:

    what with this lousy fucking weather – another 2 hour torrential thunderstorm – and this fucking nazi government it seems the best way out is to kill yourself before they do

  8. 8
    Gordon Brown says:

    Sugar is fibbing. The meeting never took place.

  9. 9
    Schrödinger's Ex PM says:

    Whatever you do don’t open the fucking box

  10. 10
    But says:

    Will gordon turn up nfor the statment on Barclays? after all it was he who set up the FSA

  11. 11
    Tony Blair says:

    I would like to be PM again. Especially how the country can see if was all his fault and not mine.

  12. 12
    Maximus says:

    McHollow… McVoid… McWasteOfSpace…

  13. 13
    Number 10 Records dept - answeing a differnet question to the one being asked. Again. says:

    We can confirm we have no record of any such meeting on 12 sept 2009.

  14. 14
    The Angel of Dearth says:

    The unedited version:

    “It was frustrating. Gordon wanted me to give him ideas on how to make British business great again but everything I said fell on deaf ears. I said to him, “Why don’t we build factories that make lots of cheap and crappy stereo systems that are fit only for landfill? Or crappy slow computers that overheat? It would always just end with him shouting me down.“

  15. 15
    RAF Roy says:

    I’ll tell you what me and my mates used to do to Nazis…. Incinerated their children by the hundreds of thousands, from 30,000 feet. That’s bravery you won’t find these days!

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    The General Public says:

    Sugar’s principally known for fronting a gameshow and for cheapo hi-fi that sounded like it was being played underwater.

    Only a dunderhead like Brown would hire someone like that to promote a revival in British business.

  17. 17
    Number 10 Records dept says:

    In fact on that date he was in the USA giving John Revolta a massage

  18. 18
    stew says:

    did you hear that twonk on newsnight the other day claiming the European currency and sovereign debt crisis ‘started in America’!! God people are thick. Even Paxo had to tell her she was talking ‘tripe’

  19. 19
    Anonymous says:

    Why is it that we are hearing more and more about McDoom from people who have had close experience of him? They obviously know what they are talking about. The labour party have known about him for many years, yet they still let him become leader unopposed.

  20. 20
    AMS Trading says:

    Or telephones with shite email built in that we charge 50p for every email received or sent

  21. 21
    What a Plonker. says:

    The worst Prime minister and Chancellor in history.

  22. 22
    Bomber Harris says:

    I do not personally regard the whole of the remaining cities of Germany as worth the bones of one British Grenadier.

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    Glamstrad says:

    And what were some of Surallun’s ideas? Because if his previous products or TV show are anything to go by, I’m not surprised he was shouted down.

    Alan strikes me as a man who spins a good yarn about the good old days, but doesn’t know his arse from his elbow without an army of advisers whispering in his ear, or an editing team cutting out the millionth time he reminds everyone how he started out the back of a van.

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  25. 25
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Sugar is as nutty as Brown. He lives in a celeb bubble of his friends’ creation.

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    Sir Aston Martin says:

    FSA = “Fucking Say Anything” (TM) G. Brown.

  27. 27
    I love the FT says:

    ….. and they didn’t walk away at the time and tell him to ‘Sod off’ – that’s how bullying wasters like Brown survive. The David Brent of UK Politics

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    Steve Miliband says:

    They probably had a secret room for secret meetings – accessed Scooby Doo style through a secret revolving door that looked like a bookcase

  29. 29
    Sir Aston Martin says:

    >being played underwater

    Under mud, I’d say, and it was lo-fi to begin with. He even called it “the mug’s eyeful”, with all the redundant knobs and flashing lights.

  30. 30
    Glamstrad says:

    At least he then told him to stfu, according to this story, unlike the countless yes-men sucking up to that hypocritical gargoyle Mary Portarse.

    ‘Yes, I’ll save the highstreet from out-of-town shopping centres. While also running a company that promotes them.”

  31. 31
    The case of the bleeding obvious. says:

    Gordon Brown a bullying Europhile, who would have thunk it?

  32. 32
    preter says:

    that is because you are a psycopath

  33. 33
    illogical says:

    Not everything is black and white.
    The noble / ignoble Lord should have realised that in respect of British jobs for British workers when multiculturalism was being pushed down the throats of the population any spoonful of sugar would make the medicine go Brown.

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    jgm2 says:

    Brown promoted him because Sugar was well-known because of his TV presence. The fact that Amstrad products were/are all shite was neither here nor there. Brown just wanted him in the hope that some celebrity stardust would rub off on his Imbecile reign.

    Brown didn’t take economic advice from anybody. He has a complete Edward-Lear-inspired fantasy world constructed for himself and nobody else is allowed in to play.

    No wonder the Imbecile went ballistic if anybody suggested anything that didn’t squeeze neatly in between the Pobble who had no toes and ‘no more boom and bust’.

  35. 35
    Sir Aston Martin says:

    Seems to me that most of his loot was made from the property speculation enabled by his good friend Gordon. Amstrad products can’t have made all that much.

  36. 36
    Piers Morgan says:

    Ha ! Ha! Ha ! Ha ! Ha !

  37. 37
    What is more says:

    And in the future.

  38. 38
    Quisling says:

    Well maybe we should have just let them invade


  39. 39
    preter says:

    Blair was worse as a Prime Minister. Brown’s problem as Prime Minister is he had to deal with the legacy of the worst Chancellor in history.

  40. 40
    Sir Aston Martin says:

    + lots — ever hear of the Blitz, you vile piece of shite?

  41. 41
    jgm2 says:

    Nah. Collective responsibility. Sow the wind and reap the whirlwind.

    Bomber Harris had the right idea. Fuck ‘em.

  42. 42
    Terrible But True says:

    At this rate, there will soon be BBC Erratum, with Nick ‘let me just apologise for that/sources say/delete that tweet’ Robinson as the Erratum Editor, and Newswatch on Saturday morning at dawn will be when they actually manage to, for once, transmit news they have ‘got about right’.

  43. 43
    Alfonso Capone. says:

    How can politicians who have never had a “proper job” or experienced trying to create a business be any good at understanding British business… The whole set up of government is a busted flush!

  44. 44
    Nom Dom Nom says:

    Well to be fair most Sky STB’s are manufactured by Amstrad

  45. 45
    Labour Party Spokesperson says:

    Listen, getting an HP printer ricocheting off yer left ear ‘ole was no fun I can tell yer.

  46. 46
    jgm2 says:

    Yep. The two of them were a fucking catastrophe. Blair could have saved us from the Imbecile by firing him back in 2001/2 when he went on a borrowing-and-squandering spree.

    It was obvious to anybody with an IQ higher than plankton that he’d lost his fucking mind at that point (if they weren’t paying attention until then). He should have been fired on the spot.

  47. 47
    preter says:

    I’m surprised Brown made such a bad fist of things. You’d have thought the 10 years he struggled to get his PhD in ‘the history of the Scottish Labour Party’ would have been ample experience for running a major world economy.

  48. 48
    Steve Miliband says:

    Has Milibandwagon called for an enquiry into Light Touch regulation yet?


  49. 49
    Owain Glyndwr says:

    and the holocaust was an act of bravery you piece of shite

  50. 50
    Tony Blair says:

    I wonder if Mandy will also come back when I am PM again?

  51. 51
    preter says:

    surely the Blitz was self-defence – we declared war on Germany after all?

  52. 52
    Anonymous says:

    Have you found your receipts yet Tony?


  53. 53
    Anonymous says:

    They are repeating the same pattern now,in years to come we will look at the shadow front bench and think what the F***. Have they really got nobody better than Ed M, Ed B. Hattie, Yvette etc ? The wannabees in the background, Bryant,Watson, Chukka and co are even worse. David Cameron must think he has died and gone to heaven !

  54. 54
    Owain Glyndwr says:

    The meetings were taken out of context

  55. 55
    Yvonne from the Colliers Arms Clydach says:

    I for one would definitely prefer not to work for Alan Sugar thank you very much!

  56. 56
    Gordon Brown says:

    waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaa waaaaaaaa waaaa

  57. 57
    Anonymous says:

    That picture of Ed Milliband raising his arms like the Messiah was priceless !

  58. 58
    jgm2 says:

    Indeed. And then lacked the courage to unseat him. David Miliband – that’s you I’m talking about.

    Even after the ‘miracle economy’ was finally revealed as nothing but smoke and mirrors they let him spend another three years squandering even more money trying to cover up his imbecile economic blunders. Blaming every fucker but himself. Not a hint of contrition. Not a scintilla of self-doubt or reproach for causing the biggest economic clusterfuck in eighty tears.

  59. 59
    Anonymous says:

    Fuck off!

  60. 60
    smoggie says:

    All a politician need to understand about business is that he knows nothing at all about business and so should not try to “improve” business.

  61. 61
    Owain Glyndwr says:

    What we need is leveson and jay to set up another whitewashing of the banks,can start tomorrow

  62. 62
    Lord Stansted says:

    The shameless man might be back!


  63. 63
    David Cameron says:

    Greed is Good

  64. 64
    Gordon Brown says:

    I cannot recall meeting Brian Sugar

  65. 65
    Gordon Brown, part-time MP, full-time cunt says:

    LIES! ALL LIES! I am a teddy bear, a soft, cuddly teddy bear who never loses his temper, and if you don’t agree, I’ll fucking Nokia your head in!

  66. 66
    Yvonne from the Colliers Arms Clydach says:

    I have spotted you Blair!

    All you need now is for George Osborne to fall down a Diamond Mine and you are flavour of the month.

  67. 67
    I Remember You Hoo says:

    “The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw, and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.” Bomber Harris.

    The nazis lost, get over it.

  68. 68
    Engineer says:

    Then there was Coventry, Exeter, the East End, Liverpool…..

    That’s what you get during Total War. If the enemy is intent on your total destruction, you use every means at your disposal to stop him.

    About 55,000 allied airmen lost their lives serving in Bomber Command. God knows how many Axis airmen. They knew the risks, but went anyway, to serve their country. That’s bravery.

  69. 69
    Mundo Plondu says:

    You must be joking. Blair was a good PM but with that twat Brown plotting and scheming away h did have rather a severe handicap.

  70. 70
    Gawd Help Us says:

    Quite right, perhaps if somebody had cracked him in the early years we may have been saved all this pain now.

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    Your Fired! says:

    If you wanna get rid of EU red tape you don’t support the fuckin’ Labour party Alan!

  72. 72
    Owain Glyndwr says:

    just a thought, do you think that brown gets his leg over

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    A Double Diamond says:

    I have met some shifty Hunts in my time and you my friend are up there with the best of them.

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    smoggie says:

    Maybe so. So was the Israelis invasion of the Lebanon – an act of self defence.

  75. 75
    McMental says:

    Lalalalalalalala – I am not listening, Damian go and shout at Sue for letting this man into my office.

  76. 76
    Gordon Brown says:

    Agree, that Blair is worse, it was easy to see that McDoom was a lying cnut.

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    jgm2 says:

    As the sainted Fatcher said. It’s no more difficult than running a household budget. You just don’t spend more than you earn.

    Being chancellor is as simple or as difficult as you choose to make it.

    Brown chose to make it difficult for himself (and us) by spending more than he earned and then had to spend from 2001 – 2010 trying to convince himself (and us) that it was all very ‘prudent’ and sensible economics.

    What an incompetent jackass.

  78. 78
    Nom Dom Nom says:

    Preter – Best you get back to your occupy tent and drink some herbal tea to calm down

  79. 79
    Gordon Brown says:

    Am I talking to myself? NURSE.

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    Snitch and Snatch says:

    The awful choice was to appoint Sugar as anything.

    Why do you think he needs to be a celebrity.

    He is not making much in his day job.

    He is pretty low down on the rich list.

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    Dwight Eisenhower says:

    Arthur Harris’s great insight was that the Allied soldiers wouldn’t have to fight house-to-house in German cities, if there were no houses. Or cities.

  82. 82

    At least we now know where SAS got his “Apprentice” persona from.

  83. 83
    Nom Dom Nom says:

    Number 10 diary entries are not subject to legitimate expectation

  84. 84
    smoggie says:

    All forms of socialism have taken a canning. We must not let up and keep bombing the fuck out of it wherever it emerges its sordid face.

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    Tony Blair the Multimillionaire says:

    Indeed it is, and in 1997 me McMental and Ed Balls out fathered fatcher with our light touch regulation.

  86. 86
    Sandra says:

    Sorry Roy, your fellow travellers on the left – the National Socialists lost the war.

    You really need to accept that.

  87. 87
    Liebore or not to Libor says:

    I did a double take last night when the news mentioned what sounded like “Liebore”. For a second I thought a term used by co-conspirators’ had made it to national news. But it turned out to be nefarious behaviour by Barclays.

  88. 88
    Tonto says:

    I think the secret is to do absolutely nothing.

    That pesky Spaniard has been putting it about that Spain cannot continue unless something is done to reduce the high rates of interest on its debts.

    Well if you do nothing then old miguel will just have to stop borrowing.

    Its quite simple really.

    Just let the Bankers stew in their own mire.

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    Owain Glyndwr says:

    Your comment on SAS is really unfair, you should not mock care in community

  90. 90
    3615 Guido says:

    So, adieu then, Minitel…

  91. 91
    Pawn Sandwich says:

    He did say he would serve a full term last time then half way through his term of office he handed the reigns to the one eyed imbecile.

  92. 92
    smoggie says:

    Unlike the kind of bravery to be found by some dickhead making trite remarks from behind the anonymity of a keyboard. Wonder if preter is brave enough to sound off down his local?

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    Owain Glyndwr says:

    Maybe so. So was the Israelis invasion of the Lebanon – an act of self defence.

    so smoggie says, the answer is YES

  94. 94
    Thelma says:

    It was the evil Mr Gordon after all!

  95. 95
    Paddy Power says:

    On tonight’s Question Time panel:
    Justine Greening, Tessa Jowell MP, Paddy Ashdown, Tony Robinson, and Terry Smith, chief executive of Tullett Prebon.

    So that will be one hour of Pantsdown narrowing his eyes pretentiously every time he makes one of his dull points.

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    Engineer says:

    We’d all like British business to be ‘great’ again – actually, parts of it are pretty damn good even despite the adverse conditions.

    This incident neatly illustrates one of the problems. Business wants the freedom to get on with it, unencumbered by regulation and interference. Government (parliamentary and Whitehall) wants to control, and is delighted by all the crap from Brussels that allows them to prodnose almost everything. Until that mindset is changed to something along the lines of ‘leave well alone unless absolutely necessary’, we won’t progess much.

    In other words – when Brussels and Whitehall butt out, we stand a chance. Until then, we’ll struggle.

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    Light Touch Regulation Bandwagon says:

    All aboard!

  98. 98
    Aung Sang Suu Kyi says:

    Did you save the world?

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    jgm2 says:

    He might be low down the ‘Rich List’ but he’s certainly richer than I am. But the point was not whether he was rich or not it was just the Imbecile going for the same sort of ‘Cool Britannia’ veneer of celebrity that Blair had used.

    Associate yourself with popular figures in the hope that some of their stardust would attach to your voting figures. It’s why the Imbecile was chasing Omaha around a hotel kitchen. It’s why the Imbecile revealed the Af*gh*an*is*tan ‘surge’ before Omaha had cleared it with his own Congress. Just to get the news out there that he, the great and powerful Brown, has private conversations with POTUS. And look, as proof, I’m going to reveal some information that he hasn’t even cleared with his own Congress.

    Omaha never spoke to him again after that.

    What a jackass.

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    Nom Dom Nom says:

    Sounds like preter is someone who wears the uniform at other events other than stag parties for toffs

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    M says:

    if that’s how the last leader of the labour party treated Lord sugar .
    I doubt that Len McCluskey the present leader will tell Ed to treat him

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    Owain Glyndwr says:

    True, but limpdem dave who is holding all the cards is still phucking it up

  103. 103

    + a few. Follow Charles Dicken’s maxim and don’t get overwhelmed by all those zeros. Millions of solvent Brits manage it, and any of them would make better Chancellors than any incumbent since 1997.

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    Ed Milibandwagon says:

    Barclays was WRONG.

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    jgm2 says:

    The same insight that saw the yanks flatten Hiroshima.

    Imagine the deaths (on all sides) if the yanks had had to fight their way through every city and village in Japan.

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    UKIP.I.AM says:

    Blair took us into a war with Iraq on the pretence of a dossier about WMDs that he was responsible for. He also made News International what it became.

    Brown on the other hand made the banks what they became. Its a toss up between two tossers.

  107. 107
    anonemo says:

    No, he rides a ladies bike.

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    Owain Glyndwr says:

    May be tessa jowell will get in a plug for her mortgage signing service

  109. 109
    Master Bomber says:

    Bomb on the green – ignore yellows and blues.

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    Another mindbleach moment.

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    Make way for today's Ed Bandwagon! says:

    Theeth nathty bankerth mutht fathe cwiminal chargeth, oh yeth they thould. The fact that it happened while we were in Government ith totally iwwelevant.

  112. 112
    Rinka Scott says:

    Millipede speaks at 11.00 am and within an hour and a half Osborne and Cameron are on the job blaming Labour for a light touch approach.

    If Plod goes after Diamond now there will be at least 10 others to follow him.

    Great work if you are a lawyer or a copper.

    Perhaps another Inquiry is on its way.

  113. 113
    Robotic says:

    At a time when negotiations are still ongoing?

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    Vi Glen says:

    And Sky bought Amstrad !

    Rupes was just getting his mate out of a hole, because Sugar is actually a rather rubbish businessman.

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    Rod Walloper says:

    It would make a great plot for someone like Robert Harris to use-psychopath PM wrecking the country while ministers and media idiots publicly praise him as a genius. Spice it up by making teh PM character a closet gay and serial killer.

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    UKIP.I.AM says:

    Too right. And at average age of 22. What were they supposed to do, cower away and wave a white flag when Germany invaded the UK? Or maybe drop pamphlets asking the Germans if they would be so kind and stop invading the rest of Europe they hadn’t already indeed?

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    I Remember You Hoo says:

    Bliar was and still is, a warmongering, dishonest, self aggrandising, venal, self centered, con-man and thief. The only thing the fascist in chief was good at, was filling his pockets and killing people.

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    jgm2 says:

    In fairness to Blair, Brown’s endlessly wicked and malicious briefing against Blair over the course of a decade made it very difficult to continue.

    That said, Blair should have simply manned up and fired the fucker. There is some terrible mutually-assured-destruction standoff that was played out there that has still not been revealed. There has to be some reason Blair didn’t simply fire Brown. And not just the ‘good’ of the Labour party. Because clearly neither Blair nor Brown gave a fuck about that.

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    Blair loves blood money says:

    I made the mistake of picking up yesterday’s Evening Standard. Guest editor was war criminal Tony Blair. He also graciously agreed to a sycophantic interview with really hard hitting questions. I almost vomited when I read he said he pays 50% tax on all his income. What a barefaced lying c unt.

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    Ed Balls up says:

    My light touch had nothing to do with it, ask Gordon.

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    Rob Roy says:

    With the shits and incompetents you English have in London I am glad us Scots will be rid of the lot of you.

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    Ivor Tapeworm says:

    What a missed opportunity. The vital legislation was there ready to use all the time:

    Mental Health (Scotland) Act 1984

    17 Patients liable to be detained in hospital.

    (1)A person may, in pursuance of an application for admission under section 18(1) of this Act, be admitted to a hospital and there detained on the grounds that—

    (a) he is suffering from mental disorder of a nature or degree which makes it appropriate for him to receive medical treatment in a hospital; and

    (i) in the case where the mental disorder from which he suffers is a persistent one manifested only by abnormally aggressive or seriously irresponsible conduct, such treatment is likely to alleviate or prevent a deterioration of his condition

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    Gordo the Magnificent says:

    Sue, have you finished doing all the shredding yet?

  124. 124
    Master of the Universe says:

    Libor schmibor, we are untouchable.

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    The Factuality says:

    Crap. Blair thought like everyone else that Saddam had a WMD program and NI had fuck all to do with him. And to be blunt I defy anyone to explain what they have done wrong that the Guardian has not done wrong, at least NI pay tax rather than claiming tax losses

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    Ah! Monika says:

    It could just be that Sugar’s ideas were crap. And he needed shouting down.

  127. 127
    Ed Milibandwagon says:

    We need GROWTH.

  128. 128
    Tax is theft says:

    The National Socialists were not real Socialists, just ask any Socialist.
    The left – rewriting history as and when it suits.

  129. 129
    jgm2 says:

    Tee hee.

  130. 130
    UKIP.I.AM says:

    Or creating lots of jobs and goods for export so tossers can live more comfortably on welfare.

  131. 131
    Ing Erland says:

    Can’t wait.

  132. 132
    Ed Milibandwagon says:

    Mass immigration is WRONG!

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    jgm2 says:

    Aye. ‘Growth’ financed by simply borrowing and/or printing more money and giving the public sector a payrise in the hope that it will ‘trickle down’ through the economy.

    Funny that the bedwetters deride ‘trickle down’ theory when it comes to giving folk tax cuts but see it as rock solid economic policy when it comes to rewarding union voters with unearned pay-rises.

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    G Brown lover of Prudence says:

    I am serving notice on the Diamond of Barclays that I will be suing you and others for billions of lost pounds when you and sundry others fixed the libor rate.

    Please note, I want payment in gold not euros.

  135. 135
    Gordon Brown MP says:

    I will do my utmost.

  136. 136
    The bill sir! says:

    Don’t forget to take RBS with you and pay the English back 80% of it’s bailout.

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    Ah! Monika says:

    Biscuits, Whisky, Marmalade and moaning and fried Mars Bars. The World awaits.

    You can’t get rid of a Scottish banknote now. Imagine the future.

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    Bankers and Unions says:

    At least Gordo was taking advice from captains of industry. Who are Dave n Ed listening to?

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    Make way for today's Ed Bandwagon! says:

    …and I pwopothe to do abtholutely nothing to thop it.

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    UKIP.I.AM says:

    Brown over-reached himself with public spending. For some idiotic reason he believed the boom in banking and housing could last as long as Hitler thought the Third Reich could last. He was and is buffoon. Yet the MSM still will not submit his banking record to close scrutiny. He was the boss of banking and it was his regulations that failed so abysmally.

    Only now under the coalition government are all his banking failures being exposed.

    Why is Brown not being subjected to the same kind of abuse as bankers? What was the Labour government doing at the time all these banking abuses were at their height?

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    Ed Milibandwagon says:

    Alex Salmond is WRONG.

  142. 142
    a non says:

    We will be sending your rejects back

  143. 143
    I Remember You Hoo says:

    Sralan at his finest.

  144. 144
    jgm2 says:


    And 100% of HBoS.

    We’ll take gold. Or oil.

  145. 145
    UKIP.I.AM says:

    I wish I was as rubbish as Sugar is.

  146. 146
    David Beckham says:

    Fuck !!!

  147. 147
    UKIP.I.AM says:

    Or the Tory party.

  148. 148
    Gonk says:

    My hopes are on Terry Smith. I have no idea who he is.

  149. 149
    Red MacGregor says:

    Will 3 haggis and a deep fried mars bar do?

  150. 150
    UKIP.I.AM says:

    With Labour it’s all tripe and unions.

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    Cressida's Dick says:

    So on the day we see Bob Diamond wriggling like a worm on a hook trying to defend the indefensible and save his worthless skin we are reminded of folks who had something worth defending and did it with bravery, dedication and skill, 55,573 never making it home.

    Our Bomber boys.

    Lest we forget.

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    bergen says:

    As far as the non-existant WMDs are concerned, Iraq was subject to constant satelitte and air surveillance, electronic communication interception, agents etc for a decade since the first gulf war but they purportedly still managed to get it totally wrong. It had to be deliberate.It was an excuse for regime change.Whether that was right or wrong is a matter of opinion but it was dishonest.

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    Pearce says:

    You’re too old you silly c’unt.

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    Fish says:

    All of this happened between 2005 – 2009.

    Who was the Goverment of the day?

    What did Myners, as City Minister, do when it became known in 2008 (The NYT reported this)?

    If he did nothing, why not?

    How did Brown respond to this? What instructions did he give Myners and the Treasury team of Balls and Miliband Inferior?

    Why is Miliband jumping on another bandwagon complaining about matters of his making?

    Has there ever been a bigger hypocrite in British politics?

    Who the Fuck is going to point this out? Not the BBC who are in full hysteria – 5 Live Bint asking the leading question – what bank is ethical, what bank can you trust. (I wonder if she banks with the Co-op?) Surprise surprise up comes a caller who banks with Co-op. Callers tells another to switch to the Co-op, 5 Live Bint encourages her in the background and continues to seek callers asking / encouraging if they will switch banks.

    The next story is about the hysteia surrpounding a rapist resettling in Scotchland. Clearly one form of witch-hunt is fine, another is not.

  155. 155
    Lord Stansted says:

    Don’t forget the “portable” computer that required a Bergen just for the battery.

  156. 156
    Lord Mandelbum of Shirtlifting says:

    I can feel the hand of history on our shoulders Tone.

  157. 157

    Alan Sugar – The Governments Champion of British Enterprise

    That’s all you need to hear to show how mad Brown was/is

  158. 158
    Will.i.am Wallarse says:

    We will never surrender oor oil. Ye canna tack oor debts but you canna tack oor freebies.

  159. 159
    Tony B Lair says:

    …So Al, I’ll do about 10 years, let Bonkers have a shot and when he gets the boot some mug will have all sorts of shit to deal with….

  160. 160
    UKIP.I.AM says:

    Salmond has always sounded a bit fishy to me.

  161. 161
    Sir Barrington Minge says:

    Bliar and Brown give a whole new meaning to the word “incompetant”

  162. 162
    Nell in Canterbury says:

    Turkey baster.

  163. 163
    Gordon Brown says:

    The other day I did a magic jobbie. Nursie says it’s wrong to play with mah poohs, and that jobbies cannae be magic, but what does she know? She’s another one of those bigoted women.

    Anyway, I smuggled my great big magic jobbie past Nursie by putting it in mah dressing-gown pocket and then put mah hands in mah pockets. It wis just like the wee trick I played with the empty tinnies, a brick and a carrier bag when I was a student, and it proves how clever I am and a’ that.

    I played with the magic jobbie for hoors and hoors, making wishes and chatting away tae him until he went all melty and Nursie caught me and made me have a shower to get all the magic off mah face and hands and out of mah hair, but Nursie disnae understand that it was me who saved the world, with a wee bit of help from mah magic jobbie!

    If I sniff really hard I can tell I’ve got some of the magic still under mah fingernails…. I love that smell, it’s the smell of mah cleverness and moral compass and Socialist principles all rolled into one. Magic!

  164. 164
    Selohesra says:

    Terry Smith is OK – lives in real world creating real jobs and making real money. Better than politician any day

  165. 165
    Steve Miliband says:

    Has anyone told you that your tattoos look stupid?

  166. 166
    UKIP.I.AM says:

    Yes we need much more EU red tape and more restrictions on companies so we can compete even less with the rest of the world. Who needs growth and prosperity?

  167. 167
    Gordon Brown says:

    Only take Euros

  168. 168
    Bank of America says:

    Amateurs. We set up an entire department to ‘robo-sign’ to fake mortgage documents. Tens of thousands of forged documents per month to be submitted in repossesion court cases in the US.

    And don’t think you in the UK are immune from us.

    We own MBNA, and MBNA issues Credit Cards in the UK. All that opportunity for us to commit fraud, forgery, price fixing, market manipulation and steal from Brits… to good for us to resist.

  169. 169
    pigs in space says:

    Actually not so much Edward Lear, as Beatrix Potter’s The Tale of Ginger and Pickles. It completely inspired his credit fuelled ‘boom’, unfortunately he never read it to the end where the money runs out.

  170. 170
    Sandra in accounts says:

    Not to mention the hair cut.

  171. 171
    jgm2 says:

    I’m sorry but I’m going to rep*eat myself.

    The reason Brown has got away with this was because while there was hell going on behind the scenes for a year before the banking bailout was announced Brown, with the same secrecy he attached to making sure nobody got any leaked information about his budgets, was able to keep it all hushed up.

    This allowed him to manage the clusterfuck in such a way that the banks were the ones who got the blame. This was helped enormously by the BBC, astonishingly, on the very morning that the whole ‘bailout’ was presented having a handy 25 minute show-and-tell beautifully choreographed explanation that involved 1980’s ‘big-bang’ archive footage and no mention at all of the Imbecile.

    I shit you not.

    I remember when Lady Di died. I was bobbing around on a seismic boat in the Malacca Straights and I made an off-hand remark that the BBC would be so wrong-footed that they’d probably be playing sombre music like the old Soviet Union used to when Brezhnev or whoever would die in lieu of having any output. And fuck me, if I wasn’t proven right.

    Yet the morning of this shock bailout. An event that, we were told, had literally arisen overnight and been cleared up by the singular genius of Gordon Brown after he’d weighed up all the options over breakfast we were presented with a 25 minute BBC presentation on whose fault it all was and how it had all started in America. This from an organisation that took at least 24 hours to get together some kind of output when Lady Di had a c*a*r crash. Dutifully rep*eated verbatim by The Sun and all the other Nu Labour mouthpieces of the day.

    That’s how Brown got away with it.

    The Big Lie. And the BBC was in on it all the way. Because of the unique way they’re funded.

    Do you remember the ERM debacle? How the BBC were all over the T*ries?

    Yet when Brown destroyed the UK economy there were the BBC with a piece that must have been scripted by Al Campbell and Gordon Brown explaining how it ‘all started in America’.

    Reason alone to close the BBC.

  172. 172
    Selohesra says:

    I didnt realise Gordon had actually killed someone (personally and not vicariously)

  173. 173
    jgm2 says:

    Not at all. We’ll be keeping the ones with the sense to leave.

  174. 174
    Selohesra says:

    Judging by the photo Nick or Karen have just found his prostate

  175. 175
    pigs in space says:

    Is that the computer Labour spent £20 billion on to run the NHS?

  176. 176
    BoJo, the Biggest Tosser in London says:

    Whatho, Chaps and, er, phwoar, chapesses. Bumble, bumble, bumble. Ah, yes, well, let’s piss away another 24 million of the jolly taxpayers’ spondoolicks, eh:


    It’s a, ah, phwoar, “stunning addition to London’s transport network”, what? And a, ah, stunning addition to the public debt, to boot. What? Ah, oops, scrub that last bit, chaps, eh? Phwoar…

  177. 177
    Gonk says:

    Labour-BBC-Lefty chavs, They love a bit of banging on prison vans whilst holding an unreadable shit juvenile placard that they’ve got up early to scribble their illegible fucking gargage on.

  178. 178
    webster's dickshonary says:

    And a whole new spelling

  179. 179
    lolathebeautiful says:

    Two megolomaniac nutters having a spat. Yawn.

  180. 180
    Reality bites says:

    Arr.. the voice of rebellion, been rapped in cotton wool and spoon fed far too long eh?

  181. 181
    Ah! Monika says:

    So, you were at the meetings? For all we ( includes you ) know his ideas may have produced more red tape.
    Perhaps if you got to bed earlier….

  182. 182
    Philip McArthur says:

    The pattern is that Gordon Brown is a bloody liar who cannot tell the truth even under oath. Of course that will not worry Leveson, as the law only applies to Tory ministers and those who might support them.

  183. 183
    AC1 says:

    OTOH Sugar probably begged for all sorts of debt market meddling to keep his failing commercial property investments above water.

  184. 184
    Aaron D Highside says:

    I always thought Gordon was such a nice, even tempered man – that’s what Tony and Sarah said, anyway.

  185. 185
    anonymous says:

    *************BREAKING NEWS *****************

    David Beckham has NOT been selected for the British olympic footy team


    maybe the elites can get him another job? PM maybe


  186. 186
    Reality bites says:

    Rather like mass rioting but there again I would have thought that was obvious.

  187. 187
    Ed Milibandwagon says:

    Not selecting David Beckham is WRONG.

  188. 188
    Osama the Nazarene says:

    Ah, but Sarah is very forgiving, she just ignores his rants.

  189. 189
    AC1 says:

    Why? Because you’ll find a dead cat in there 50% of the time.

  190. 190
    Anonymous says:

    Agree totally.

    I hope history looks back on these two imbeciles and judges them as the architects of Britain’s downfall.

    I hope they both die of a painful illness. Soon.

  191. 191
    AC1 says:

    Just because the German state totally controlled prices and production, doesn’t make it socialist…

    Oh. It does.

  192. 192
    Anonymous says:

    I would love it if he stood for office again.

    Everyone forgets he got hammered in the last council elections before Brown wrenched the position of PM from him.

    Blair had been pretty much sussed out by the time he left and I suspect even the nitwit electorate of this country would be sensible enough to give him a thorough battering at the polls.

  193. 193
    smoggie says:

    Brian: Excuse me. Are you the Judean People’s Front?
    Reg: Fuck off! We’re the People’s Front of Judea.

  194. 194
    Stale Sandwich says:

    sarnie, It’s reins – not reigns nor rains either.

  195. 195
    Gonk says:

    Tour de force

  196. 196
    Labour knows nothing about these matters says:

    Labour is in the clear on this….they were only the government for 13 years and deny everything

  197. 197
    AC1 says:

    If Labour were holding 4 Jokers, the BBC would do an article on how Jokers are special cards and try to mislead people as to the rules of the game.

  198. 198
    Government Procurement department says:

    That looks like the iPads we have just purchased. Amazing!

  199. 199
    AC1 says:

    Smoke, Mirrors and Arson…

  200. 200
    Speaker Martin says:

    I did as you asked Tony; i’m sure I got them all.

  201. 201
    Songs of Old says:

    The streets of old
    were paved with gold
    and I was perfectly willing to swear
    that a banking timebomb went tick tock
    as I walked around Barclay Square.

  202. 202

    All the Germans are saying How did we manage to lose the war against this lot?

  203. 203
    jgm2 says:

    I’d have thought that would be exactly the kind of initiative the Maximum Imbecile would be receptive to. Slash interest rates and keep the pr*ice of houses massively inflated so that everybody feels good about their massive mortgages that they took on during the ‘boom’ years.

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  205. 205
    YorkshireLad says:

    But Gordon didn’t need any special advisers, he was always right about everything…in his own world

  206. 206
    Anonymous says:

    Don’t f*cking encourage him…

  207. 207
    For those who insist in calling the Nazis "Right Wing" says:

    What ever the message given out in those Nuremberg rallies it certainly wasnt you know what, what we need is a smaller state !

  208. 208
    Don't rely on electronic surveillance. says:

    You have to much faith in spying. It’s not like the films and is an uncertain craft that is often wrong. But given that Saddam did have a history of making and using WMD then erring on the side of supposing that he is still making them is not that bad a thing to do

  209. 209
    Nom Dom Nom says:

    Does he have a brother called Ed?

  210. 210
    Baby it's cold outside says:

    Is Roy of the Raf real? Did Lancasters really fly at 30,000 feet? A bit chilly up at that level to say the least (not to mention exceptionally thin air).

  211. 211
    Nothing to see here says:

    Guido, anything to report on what your bankers mates have been up to ? No ? All quite there then ?

  212. 212
    Siralan's receptionist says:

    Siralan will see you now, Mr Brown

  213. 213
    Baby it's cold outside says:

    F**kin Stupid Ar**holes more like

  214. 214
    Histories great errors of judgement #356 says:

    If Hitler had challenged us to a penalty shoot out instead of Operation Barbarossa it would all have ended differently.

  215. 215
    jgm2 says:

    Yes. That’s right. Look at the bankers. Don’t look at who was in power when all this was happening and most certainly don’t mention anybody running 40bn quid deficits right through a credit boom.

    Look over there.

    At them.

  216. 216
    Reason says:

    You mean ignoring, obviously.

  217. 217
    jrand says:

    Sod off you Scottish git! ack: Damian McBridle

  218. 218
    jrand says:


  219. 219
    jrand says:

    while deliberately paying his landlord cheques that bounced.

  220. 220
    Jane Birkin from Paris says:

    Looking at this matter in 32 degree sunshine it seems to me that millipede is the one who has kicked this up in the air.

    Cameron and Osborne have both entered the fray but whilst criticising Labour’s light touch approach about which they did not have a great deal to say in 2007 they are trying to keep the lid on this can of worms and judging by the 50 point drop on the Ftse not making a very good job of it.

  221. 221
    Larry Livingstone says:

    If Diamond goes this will only be the beginning.

    True criminal activity will be found on the trading floor at Barclays plus plenty of other Banks.

    Ken Clarke will definitely need to get building a few more prisons .

  222. 222
    bergen says:

    May I suggest that you read “Most Secret War” by the late Professor R V Jones , who headed the scientific section of MI6 during the second world war. His department was remarkably up to speed on enemy weapon developments against a foe of equal standing without the benefit of modern technology.

    Compare and contrast with the massive disparity in money and resources thrown at keeping tabs on a third world dictatorship as Iraq and account for how they managed to get everything entirely wrong.

  223. 223
    Larry Livingstone says:

    He did 13 years in power for the vast majority of which the City thought he was marvelous.

  224. 224
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Questions have been raised as to the opaqueness of whats been going on in the banking sector in the City of London?

    It seems that some pennies are finally dropping on what The UK’s Corporate Governance ought to have been – but which wasn’t.

    In The USA they had Sarbanes-Oxley and lots of CEO’s had their collars felt properly.

    To counter the US’s Sarbanes-Oxley – The then Labour Government in cahoots with the Banks & the CBI (Digby Mouthpiece being its head back then) introduced – the UK’s version of Corporate Governance – it was called the Derek Higgs report. Its flowery language and rhetorical jargon was littered with disingenuous ambiguity -e.g. the ‘we should do this’, ‘we should do that’ pap … etc [But they had no intention of doing squat]

    And it was hailed by the likes of Patricia Hewitt and Digby Jones as the bees knees and then trumpeted out by the fawning city business editors of all the national newspapers.

    All the lies, half-truths, duplicity, spin and cracks in the whole empty vessel (of Corporate Governance) are opening up now.

    Don’t forget Matthew Barrett former CEO of Barclays – the gaff prone thicko from Canada.

  225. 225

    They are both:

    1.) fucking nuts
    2.) purveyors of shoddy stuff
    3.) imbecilic enough to believe that they are demi-gods – at least

  226. 226

    And there was me thinking that leaders should be inspiring, willing to listen to all sides, come up with the best solution for the country. Ah my nievity pains me.

    More seriously we have have good and bad within us (like when you argue but know it is wrong etc) but I for one, as a citizen, expect those who lead me to have mastered themsleves better than regularly falling into bairns n the playground shouting matches. Occassionally it will happen for that is human nature – but regularly – did anyone call social services?

    We need better leadership.

  227. 227
    Blowing Whistles says:

    And the D Mail quotes Marcus Agius over the Barlays libor thingy

    MA “The board takes the issues underlying the announcement extremely seriously and views them with the utmost regret”

    So there we have it from Agius – he’s viewed it all with the board with regret.

    It is that he’s regretted that it’s all come out but doesn’t give a TOSS [Barclays adverts] anyway.

  228. 228
    Mike Hunt says:

    I’d shag his missus though, provided she puts a few pounds on. After all I don’t want to snap her.

  229. 229
    bald old git says:

    And so Sugar tries a couple of times to influence government policy; gives up and is left merely to …

    … shape legislation that will affect the rest of us for the rest of our lives, whilst we pay him to do it.

    And we can’t get him out of the Lords ….?

  230. 230
    Nothing to see here says:

    Jgm2 actually I believe ALL should be called to account for this and the fact that Incompetent Politicians created the climate for fraud to take place on this massive scale doesnt in any way excuse those Bankers who actually have commited crimes from getting away with it. Its nota a distraction is the application of the law across the board which I want to see. That includes any politicians btw
    This is ENRON all over again.

  231. 231
    The Angel of Dearth says:

    I’m not entirely sure, this side of 1988, that Lord Sugar’s crappy products could be exported anywhere. Except maybe North Korea.

  232. 232
    Edgar says:

    Nope. You’ll find a 50%-dead cat in there all of the time.

  233. 233
    Fog says:

    By not taking any action on either getting rid of Brown, or letting it be publicly known what a liability Brown was, Blair put himself first, the country second. For that history will judge Blair. The media have a lot to answer also.

  234. 234
    At Last! says:

    That explains with clarity, the Nokia shaped dent between Sugar’s eyes!

  235. 235
    bandersnatch says:

    Love the name Rinka Scott… Soon there will be hardly any of us left to get the reference. I must be old… but I don’t feel old…

  236. 236
    Alan Rubbishbringer says:

    But it is what the right people wanted from their villas in Tuscany and such.

  237. 237
    Alan Rubbishbringer says:

    He is goodenough for the BBC.

  238. 238
    Mike Oxenfire says:

    …and he’d have gotten away with too, if it hadn’t been for those meddling voters!

  239. 239
    Ben Elton says:


    Michael Foot, Neil Kinnock all great leaders do.

  240. 240
    The Weather Vane says:

    Anyway look — onto serious matters .

    The South American Met Office has just announced that El Nino which usually comes around Christmas time to warm things up is arriving five months early .

    This means Europe will be sweltering in tropical humidity from July through October .

    Well… somebody did say it was cold for the time of year recently ….

  241. 241
    Britain the ruined country says:

    Said bbc programme to be fronted by the arch coverup merchant for Brown etc., ………….none other than Nick Robinson, his tongue should be covered in black spots the coverup lies he told for Labour………..and still continues to do.

  242. 242
    Anonymous says:

    The key word in the Act is treatment. As McBroon is untreatable (except with vitamin lead) he could not be admitted for treatment.

  243. 243
    genghiz the kahn says:

    Jeremy, Jeremy, Woof, Woof, Bang.

  244. 244
    Four-eyed English Genius says:

    Not if he turns round and looks at his own front bench he won’t!

  245. 245
    Trahison des Clercs says:

    Why did Blare not sack him? He had the keys to the skeleton cupboard?

  246. 246
    Laughing Out Loud says:

    Regarding mental treatment for Brown, the Norweigians might be able to help. They could let him share a cell with Breivik, and watch them save the world (again) together

  247. 247
    Exmouth.Paul says:

    I wonder when they were alone Sarah called McNutter daddy.

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