June 26th, 2012

Secret Police: Legislation Gives Power to Reject FOIs

The UK’s new FBI-style police force will be exempt from having to abide by Freedom of Information laws. The Yorkshire Post has the scoop, revealing that the National Crime Agency will refuse to answer questions from the public on spending and non-operational activities. Big Brother Watch director Nick Pickles told the paper:

“For a Government supposedly committed to transparency, this is a calculated move that would shut the public out of holding the country’s most senior policing officials to account. At a time when the Home Office wants to give these officers access to details of who we email, call and send postcards to, it is remarkable to be proposing they should be able to do so behind a cloak of secrecy.”

First the snooper’s charter, now the removal of the ability to hold the police to account. How’s that whole openness and transparency thing going, Dave?


55 Comments

  1. 1

    Told you.

    (see prev page)

  2. 2
    Rupert my Hero says:

    Is Blair back then ?????

  3. 3
    Anonymous says:

    Welcome to the totalitarian state of the UK!

    • 13
      MI5 says:

      Britain is the most spied on Nation in the World bar none.

      • 20
        MI5 spook says:

        We are effectively still under US occupation. We are being spied on for US political and commercial reasons.

        It shouldn’t strike anyone as at all odd that given the proportion of the US budget which is spent on defence, and the nature of the old Cold War, we were never in a position to implement much of what was outlined in the 1945 Labour Manifesto, as that set us on the road to becoming like our erstwhile ally the USSR. We were living on USA money when the Welfare State was created. It’s why Labour got nowhere until it ditched Clause 4 (which said it would nationalise the means of production, communication and exchange) and why nearly all our leading politicians over the last 30 years have been “groomed” in the USA. It’s been the same in Europe. The Socialist International is Social Democratic – Libertarian. These are essentially “Trotskyites” – the very types which the former USSR had thrown out in the 1920s and 1930s. We know them today as Neocons.

        Surely this is all obvious and is no secret?

        • 33
          Sungei Patani says:

          Not obvious to me – in fact it is total nonsense.

        • 53
          Business Cat (Specializing in yarns, Cdn owned & op) says:

          I got the impression Brits were spyed on by an extensive network of CCTV’s, unrivaled anywhere!

        • 55
          Blowing Whistles says:

          There is a wonderful little book – it is available still. It was first published in the USA in 1962. And here’s the title “You Can Trust the Communists (to be Communists)” Author – Dr Fred Schwarz.

          Its fifty years old and has more meaning today than ever as to how Commies infiltrate every walk of life.

          Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 66-18289

          Pages 56 to 65 are all that need to be read – for those who can read and think about what they are reading.

      • 37
        Sandra says:

        Well now we are enriched by the newcomers we have no idea who is here – hence big brother Dave.

        What a clown he is – worse than Brown – & at least he has the excuse of being mentally ill.

  4. 3
    Dick the Prick says:

    Whey hey hey; another volte face from the Tories from their opposition days. All the crticism of Labour being authoritarian was utter bullshit, eh? Cheers Cameron, you twat.

    • 9
      labour voter says:

      Sad it wasn’t another U turn

      • 14
        Dick the Prick says:

        There was also talk of a Great Repeal Bill which seems to have been conveniently ignored too; 3 cheers for bullshit, hip shit hurray etc etc

        • 16
          labour voter says:

          We lost.
          See you haven’t got over it either.

          • Dick the Prick says:

            Not quite sweetie, I was doing 80 hour weeks working for the Tory Party but kinda feel like i’ve been buttfucked.

          • Pissed Off Ex-Tory says:

            Me to. Voted and sometimes campaigned for the Tories for over 40 years.
            Never again.

          • I Remember You Hoo says:

            Labour kicked out after 13 years of authoritarianism, only to be replaced by a coalition hell bent on maintaining the “great work” of the comrades. Some choice.

        • 44
          EU-loving BBC and LibLabCon says:

          Gutless-Dave knows you don’t want the country’s problems sorted out:
          – massive financial insecurity

          – useless teachers pushing White guilt and Green ideology

          – legal system protecting dangerous criminals yet jailing for ‘thought crime’

          – mutilation and death of brave soldiers in wars not in the UK’s interest

          – Government using tax money to lobby themselves for EU social engineering, etc.

          Gutless-Dave knows you ignorant rabble don’t want an EU Referendum, you really want Gay Marriage.

          Gutless-Dave knows you don’t want to know what government is doing with your money, you really, really want more nu-Puritan laws to make people pay more in Green tax, and stop them doing anything they enjoy – Arbeit macht frei for all but the ‘elite’.

          The Tory Great Repeal of free speech and FoI goes ahead – it is what Bliar would have wanted.

          And when you are sick of the Tory stories remember, in our democracy, you can always vote for any part of the LibLabCon, and get exactly the same.

    • 50
      Old Tory Bigot says:

      What sort of Toryism is this?

      They seem to want an unacountable state machine that unremittingly spys on its citizens from cradle to grave.

      I’ve had enough. If this is modern Conservatism then fuck it.

      UKIP here I come.

      May have to change the moniker.

  5. 5
    Skippy (non-pensionable) says:

    allo allo allo…

  6. 10
    tottenham chutzpah says:

    perfectly transparent

    we know that the operations are secret

    QED? OYB! NFR! NBM!

    • 45
      Handycock tweeting from Hospital bed on free iPad says:

      BOAZ. Well done Home Office. To my constituents: This is a disgraceful example of the withdrawal of freedoms from the population. Jahbulon.

  7. 15

    Can someone tell me exactly what it is that we do not know?

  8. 17
    anonymous says:

    Cameron’s a C_U_N_T

    What cuts are you proposing?

    I think one around Cameron and Osborne’s throats. Prefably from ear to ear.

    And now this ….

    hands up if you don’t think we live in a fascist dictatorship …..

  9. 18
    albacore says:

    The openness thing’s just meant for our borders
    Gefreiter Dave always follows his orders
    That’s what Big Society is all about
    Dave’s far too polite to keep any scrote out

  10. 19
    Maximus says:

    In case someone suggests the NCA should take a look at the ACPO gang and its dealings with successive Homes Secretaries.

  11. 22
    S says:

    Dave is a LIAR — just like Blair — disgusting pair of CNUTS

  12. 25
    Screwed Taxpayer says:

    Deficit’s gone up again. Some much for pretend cuts. Never mind, just keep the inflation proof pensions for the MPs and all the public sector wxnkers.

  13. 28
    Anonymous says:

    Those promoting snooping should have their bank accounts available for inspection. Senior policeman will oppose this as it may divulge who is paying them aswell as their employer

  14. 32
    Owain Glyndwr says:

    What is really scary is that the plod read NCA has been given these powers, i would feel better about it if these powers were given to someone like sainsbury’s. And to cap it all an mp to oversea them. Well its phucked before it has started

  15. 35
    I love the FT says:

    All this does is allow them to cover up their mistakes and mispending. The ghost of MI5s role in setting up SOCA lingers on – and we saw just how effective that organisation was NPIA is a shambles and the new National Crime Agency will inherit all that legacy of failure

  16. 38
    Old Grumpy says:

    I’m not surprised. Anybody who has worked with Regional Crime Squads will know that Crime Fighting at this level is like being in a war zone!

    They ain’t about to give the Crims an “In”, to get a flavour of Ops!………. and, let us admit it! Most Journos are criminally inclined……… viz. Levenson.

  17. 39
    Anonymous says:

    Any day now details of the Great Repeal Act will be announced and the rights of a free society restored.

  18. 40
    YorkshireLad says:

    And history taught us that the Gestapo were the bad boys

    • 51
      Old Tory Bigot says:

      Its more like Honecker’s GDR really – but with much better spy technology.

      Give me back me country you theiving c unts.

  19. 48
    Terrible But True says:

    It’s not like precedents have not already been set or anything…

    http://autonomousmind.wordpress.com/2011/05/22/how-the-establishment-closes-ranks-around-the-bbc/

    It appears ‘We get it about right because we say so’ can and will be backed up by ‘questions not being answered’ and the ‘powerful not feeling like being held to account’ as this time it’s them..

    Which is, as they say, rather unique.

  20. 49
    london man says:

    Dial 999 call for help my records are held. Before I paid 20 quid to obtain them under the freedom of information act.Roll on 1984 we are living in a statsi state

    • 52
      Old Tory Bigot says:

      We are indeed.

      I though we’d dodged a bullet when Labour were ousted. If we’d had another term of them then we would actually be living a police state by now.

      We are still well on the way under this dire coalition of the feeble.

      You see, Cameron and chums, nor any politicians in the UK do not call the shots.

      The unelected mandarins, bureaucrats and MI5/MI6 spooks are running the show and they will damn well get what they want regardless of what party is in power.

      It’s bloody scary. They are out of control and it will take a revolution in this country to halt our decline into authoritarianism, fascism and mayhem.

  21. 54
    MB. says:

    The Mail is reporting that OFCOM is proposing to bring in a system that everyone will be automatically considered guilty of pirate downloads and will have to pay a £20 fee to prove their innocence.

    Very like the scam where lawyers were accusing people of illegal downloads and charging a many hundred pound administrative charge to let them off.


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Rod Liddle on the loony UN sexism special rapporteur:

“There is more sexism in Britain than in any other country in the world, according to a mad woman who has been sent here by the United Nations.

Rashida Manjoo is a part-time professor of law at Cape Town University in the totally non-sexist country of South Africa (otherwise known as Rape Capital Of The World).

Mrs Magoo has been wandering around with her notebook and is appalled by the sexist “boys’ club” culture here, apparently.

I don’t doubt we still have sexism in the UK. But is it worse than in, say, Saudi Arabia, d’you think, honey-lamb? Or about 175 other countries? Get a grip, you doolally old bat.”



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