Brown’s Official Spokesman Confirmed Regular Murdoch Calls
Last week Gordon and a tiny number of loyalists took umbrage in this statement from the Cabinet Office:
“We confirm there is a record of only one call between Mr. Brown and Rupert Murdoch in the year to March 2010, on 10th of November 2009″.
They claimed this was complete vindication and proof that Gordon did not lie about the “declaration of war” phone call. However if that statement is compared to what was said at the time by Brown’s official civil service Prime Minister’s Spokesman, that vindication looks very shaky. The Guardian reported the following briefing to the Lobby on 12 November 2009, the day news of the official Murdoch/Brown call on November 10 had leaked:
“‘He [Brown] has regular communications with Rupert Murdoch, as you would imagine, and he has the most enormous personal regard for Rupert Murdoch,’ the prime minister’s official spokesman said. ’I am not going to give any further information about the conversation. I am commenting as much as I think I can about a personal conversation. There is nothing unusual in the prime minister talking to Rupert Murdoch.‘”
So there was contemporaneous confirmation from a civil service source that there were regular conversations between Murdoch and Brown prior to November 2009. In the light of the latest Cabinet Office statement saying that they have only have a record of one conversation, any such regular calls can only have been unrecorded and unmonitored. Add this to Peter Mandelson’s sworn statement that the “war” conversation took place and it is clear to all but Brown’s bunker buddies that last week’s statement in no way clears the Prime Mentalist…
hope Levson recalls the nutter.
Guilty. Don’t bother with a trial, just bang him up for contempt of Leveson’s court.
I think you mean ‘took solace’ rather than ‘took umbrage’. Umbrage is what they’ll take at the suggestion that el Gordo is the psycho-nutter we all know and loathe.
Still, I suppose he can plead insanity when he and Bliar and the rest of the ZaNuLab scum are put on trial for treason and crimes against the people of the UK.
Wonder what Bliar’s excuse will be.
P.S. In mitigation we must also remember that Brown kept us out of the Euro, presumably to spite Blair, in spite of Blair’s strenuous efforts to join us up – that alone is enough to secure even Brown a peaceful retirement in a padded Nokia free office well away from London…
Or maybe he kept Britain out to please Murdoch and enhance his chances of becoming leader.
Why? He has said everything that Leveson wants to hear.
When the judge makes pronouncements that anybody [ Gove] contadicting his own pre thought out assesment of what need to be the facts is at fault, Gordons lying is like manna from heaven.
Can’t we put the prime mentalist before a judge who shall utter :-
“You have been found guilty of High Treason.
You will drawn on a hurdle to the place of execution where you shall be hanged by the neck and being alive cut down, your privy members shall be cut off and your bowels taken out and burned before you, your head severed from your body and your body divided into four quarters to be disposed of at the Queen’s pleasure”
will his dumbass wife retract her pathetic tweet last week saying it proves he was telling the truth.
More importantly will the BBC report this significant difference.
A storm in a teacup !
Er, weren’t you once Gordon’s speechwriter, little boy?
Who cares? They are both nutters.
I told you,I told you,I told you.
Another nutter!
Whilst my own belief is that the call did take place, there may also be a bit of “trying to big Gordon up” in the statement of the Spokesman.
Like “Gordon is so well beloved and well regarded by important people that he talks to them all the time. Really, he does. All the time. You simply would not believe it. Sometimes we have to tell them he’s busy, coz they call SO much”. That kind of thing.
A bit like “No, Obama has LOADS of time for Gordon. He really does. Seriously. Those stories about Gordon being spared 45 seconds of his time as they walked through a kitchen? No truth in that at all.”
So the defence is: we lie to the public, but that’s OK.
Well… yeah. Did you not get the memo?
Out of the loop. We only get the bills
And they’re only getting bigger
YOU ARE WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG, GORDON BROWN STOOD UP TO MURDOCH UNLIKE THATCHER!!!!
Do you issue Gordo his medication?
No but he is on the same medication
Do you habitually use capitals because your hand writing’s so bad? Suggest you tone it down a bit on the internet, doc. Looks like you’re shouting and possibly in need of some happy pills yourself.
Doc in name, but truthfully quack in nature. Nothing to do with medicine.
Even my gerbil has a PhD in philosophy
Dr Gerbil’s got a familiar ring.
Seemed like the best thing to do after taking a degree in PPE.
Like all “British” institutions & public bodies, Leveson is a wholly owned contruct of the left.
Brown will not be re-called to answer for his obvious perjury.
Cameron will regret not taking on the public sector unions and Labour placemen in the BBC & the civil service.
I actually agree with that statement Sandra! +1
Just because the sworn evidence is a bit unhelpful to the tory bollocks?
It’s a bit unhelpful to the Labour bollocks too.
I agree totally!
Me too. I am always amused by the tory nuts who post on here with such utter crap, and then it is answered by some labour numb nut (or worse a UKIP tit).
Just because it’s sworn evidence doesn’t make it the truth, as ably demonstrated by Brown last week.
I think though that you’ll find that Sandra’s comment comes from watching the farce that is Robert Jay pursuing his forensic examinations of everything that News Int and Conservatives did or may have done whilst comprehensively letting Labour politicians off the hook with extremely light questioning and zero follow up.
+1
Is this particular Jay in any way related to a Jay of a previous era who married somebody important’s daughter and was subsequently appointed as HM Ambassador in Washington? I think Sunny Jim fits in there somewhere but memory fades…
Me too! Wow Sandra, nice one!
Are you suggesting Sir/Madam that citizens of the UK tell lies in Court proceedings? I is shocked (to the hilt!)
‘ey Sand, yer gorrit in one.
You can send a country to war on the basis of a ‘googled’ thesis and survive a public enquiry. So unfortunately Bonkers will be able to carry on drawing his salary for not representing his constituents
I think you have used the wrong word Guido. They did not take umbrage (annoyance), they took refuge (safety) in that statement last week.
Umbrage-a feeling of anger caused by being offended.
Just like in Harry Potter!
Oo arr, Oi thort that were where them Archers lived.
You’m not wrong derr.
Top Universities for economics.
Task:- Count how many in the Eurozone
1 Harvard University United States
2 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
3 Stanford University United States
4 London School of Economics and Political Science (LSE) United Kingdom
5 University of Oxford United Kingdom
6 University of Cambridge United Kingdom
7 University of California, Berkeley (UCB) United States
8 University of Chicago United States
9 Yale University United States
10 Princeton University
That would be the Harvard where edballs learned neo-endo growth theory and elementary gold-selling?
If only more of our universities could compete with that kind of record.
I think he failed elementary gold selling. (Like he has failed in everything else).
I also have GCSE in alchemy
Oh, so Goerge Busgh must have studied there judging by the mess that Irish president fellow O’bama is in.
Economics is not a science.
Task:- Count how many J-e-w-s there are running the economics faculties of all those US universities and ponder why Alfred Nobel never constituted a Nobel prize for economics.
PS Check out the doumentary INSIDE JOB. What do you notice about most of the protagonists? It really was an ‘inside job’ of collusion.
hello, it’s me again! ed bollocks. the blinky-twat!
there’s a harvard man at the heart of every disaster, y’know.
and talking of disasters, have you met my wife?
yvette copper-bollocks.
anyway gotta go. my scrotum’s flatlining. come on my lovely………
‘Conversations’ does not = phone calls
‘regular’ can be anything from every second to once a year
quoting a Guardian article quoting an FT article quoting a spokesman who is giving their own explanation for a conversation about which they give no direct quotes
Fair point.
And, Mandelson only said Brown was angry at the time he spoke to Murdoch. There is no mention of ‘war’, or in fact any direct quotes at all.
In the Wtsminster world of shit governmment, deliberate obfuscation and total unaccountability to the public, that is the best evidence we would ever get. There are few records because there are supposed to be few records.
All phone calls are monitored, afaik the only Minister to publicly state a policy of bypassing this system is Gove.
Moral: Gove is too honest to be a Minister.
And Gove is far better than anyone else…he thinks.
Sure, all phone calls on the lines for the public to use, not that they would ever get through to the Prime Minister or be called up by him.
I very much doubt that those are the sole means of telecommunication. Not the ones that a Prime Minister would use to talk to the likes of Murdoch.
I saw a quote elsewhere from Frank Field that he could not get an audience with the Maximum Imbecile by phone or in person. He was too well protected by his thugs. Anybody who thinks Brown (or Blair) would use official channels other than to entrap a political enemy is woefully naive.
The only hope is that Murdoch records his calls but then, he too would know that, on balance, his calls might do a lot more harm than good if recorded I’m sure he was a discrete as Brown and Blair when it came to keeping records.
jgm: ‘discrete’ means one of a kind; ‘discreet’ means secretive.
Did anyone find the mobile phone Gordon threw across the room ?
Well they’ve apparently found 4 more that weren’t declared to the News of the World investigators so you never know.
It all depends on what your definition of “one call” is.
Lol, I think that is pretty clear.
Remember me?
Miss L, I presume?
A Truism:-
The truth will always out.
A Second Truism:-
The cover up always becomes the worst crime and heads roll.
Does anyone seriously doubt the veracity of Rupert Murdoch’s continued allegation………?
He is a megalomaniac geriatric who encourages sensationalist reporting in his papers, though?
On the one hand a megalomaniac geriatric who encourages sensationalist reporting. On the other, a megalomaniac fantasist who encourages sensationalist reporting.
Hard to choose between them.
I suggest a fight with whips, like the one in Flash Gordon. On that tilting, spikey platform thing at cloud city.
Gordon’s relative youth offset by his poor vision. Should be entertaining.
No.
Hit by an underground train.
Was he off to Leveson to reveal all??
That gets ‘tasteless comment of the day’
Anonymong – the fool’s fool! What a nasty bastard.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
What is it like not living with a lunatic?
I think NI are giving Labour all the rope they want to hang themselves – new labour were up to their necks in it. Given NI’s journalistic practices, I would imagine every single call and conversation was recorded and is now probably stores offshore somewhere. Question is what & when will trigger NI to dump on labour – so far they seemed to have been happy to lay the much at Cameron’s door.
If only that was the case
Revenge is a dish best served cold.Just be patient.
As long as we are not served left-over helpings of re-warmed spite.
Wait until Brooks gets in the dock, she won’t be taking a jail sentance on her own; she will provide enough evidence to bring down the whole political establishment.
Wouldn’t surprise me if she didn’t end up in a car crash in a tunnel
Do you think Mr Jay QC might find the time to be the prosecuting counsel? That would be fun!
Labours usual method is ‘death whilst out walking in the country’.
Becky better stay in the town.
More “He said, She said” isn’t much use without proper evidence?
You have Murdoch, Campbell and A.N.Other (according to Guido) giving evidence that such a call did take place.
And only the Maximum Imbecile claiming it didn’t.
If three witnesses, personally known to you, said you battered an old lady to death but you claimed you didn’t then I think you’d be in a certain amount of trouble with the police. So it is with this phonecall.
It’s always the cover-up that gets ‘em.
But the thing is, everyone knows he was a liar. This was Tony Blair’s right-hand man who got us into the war in Iraq, for God’s sake, the abolisher of boom and bust, the man who saved the world.
What does, yet again, demonstrating his lack of respect for the truth achieve?
Guido,if you have firm evidence of lies to Leveson then it should be handed to the authorities for action against those concerned.
The normal Labour action would be to arrest the whistle blower. On national security grounds.
I saved the banks.
He saved the euro
He saved the dollar
He saved the bottle tops for blue peter
He saved money on my car insurance by switching to More Than
He saved 10% on my weekly shop with a Lidl voucher
He saved on a bogoff at Moss. 2 of my Brown suits for £30!
He saved by buying Nokia’s in bulk.
He saved the world!
{but He never saved gold as that never goes up in value.}
He saved the penalty to win the world cup
If NI had not switched sides at the last election would Brown and Labour have allowed Twatson to lead an anti Murdoch crusade?
Well the Milly Dowler episode would have been swept under the carpet. (See the “not be helped by digging up crimes ten years on” quote Guido has just posted.)
And the News of the World would have been published yesterday as normal.
Gordon’s next public statement will be ‘ Oh that call’ followed by a chopsy attempt at an ingratiating smile.
Brown will stick to the ‘There’s no evidence….’ line rather than ‘That never happened…’
It’s the Bart Simpson defence.
Well alycampbell says gordon in bonkers. When his own side publicly brand him a nutcase who are we to disagree?
‘is’ not ‘in’
it depends what the meaning of ‘is’ is.
I do not not have an opinion..
The top man from one of the financial institutions has just been on the news
He said he is terrified about what is happening in the Euro zone
he went on to say Greece can never repay the money they are borrowing
even if they sell of their infrastructure , airports etc ,they will be in recession for many years to come
and he feels that all these European ministers Fail to grasp the magnitude of the situation they are in
And still they throw money at it !
I don’t care about how terrified a stupid banker who lent money he does have gets. In fact, i hope he is shitting his pants because he, and he alone, is going to make a loss on his investment and end up a pauper.
Finished with that barrel yet?
piss off jizzy
Saw young Tom Maynard at a Twenty20 match at the weekend, what a fine sportsman, he is sure to go far.
Very poor taste.
Leave Gordon alone…
This is a bit of a reach to be honest.
All this shows is he had regular communications with Murdoch while he was still friends with him, and still had the full backing of his media empire…….Wow. I could have told you that.
The argument is 2010, years later, when he had lost the support of Murdoch. And the only evidence fully backs Browns account.
You know, at least come up with interesting smears!
I could have come up with this.