On the Today programme yesterday morning Ed Balls claimed Osborne has made a giant mistake and cuts in public spending are the same mistake made by Snowden in the 1930s. Balls is wrong, as a recent pamphlet from the Centre for Policy Studies by George Trefgarne shows. After the 1929-31 Wall Street Crash the British economy recovered rapidly in the 1930s:
If only we currently had a growth rate like they averaged in the thirties…
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Ed Balls stretches credulity by claiming he isn’t ambitious…
“I would love to be part of Ed’s Labour government but what I do next for me is not an all-consuming passion. I’m more bothered, in a personal sense, about getting to grade 8 piano by the time I’m 50.”
Ned Flanders – Clegg
Lisa Simpson – Natalie Bennett
Milhouse – Hilary Benn
Martin Prince – Andy Burnham
Edna Krabappel – Luciana Berger
Crazy Cat Lady – Glenda jackson
Comic book guy – John Prescott
Carl – Chucka
Lenny – Philip Hammond
Willie – Eric joyce
Poochie – Gordon Brown
Reverend Lovejoy – Tony Blair
I always was a stranger to the truth.
Had we had a Liebour government in the late 1920′s/30′s ?
Yes, all under Ramsay Macdonald, all a shambles. Lab-Lib coalition 1924, lasted for 9 months. Lab 1929, collapsed in 1931, replaced by National Government till 1935. They started as they have continued.
Another proud, Liebour Scot ruining the Country !
Independence for the jocks now!
Nice diversion theres, show a comedy video made by scots having a Joke with some self effacing humour and use it to pretend that everything is the fault of said scots as a whole completely ignoring that the lunatic economic policy enunciated his morning from Mr Ed Balls came out of the mouth of an Englshman. Nice one, smoke and mirrors.
The following Scottish People have been identified as behind and/or supporting this latest economic policy to spend spend spend
Ed Balls
Robert Peston
stephanie Flanders
Ed Milliband
Harriet Harman
John Prescott
Bob Crow
Len McCluskey
Tom Watson
Rachel Reeves
Sally Bercow
Chucka Umunna
The Eagle sisters
As. Soon as these above mentioned jocks are sent home to jockland the better for England.
Errrrr are you sure ( Ed.)
And of course honourable mentions must be made to the following Englishmen if only we had more like them
Michael Gove
Brillo
Fraser Nelson
Douglas Murray
Ps I would have included Nigel Farrage in my list of Englishmen but with a name like that he is clearly a Frenchman.
Hahahahahahaha, doesn’t take much to get a chippy jock going do it?
Fok yee !
There’s. Nothing wrong with spending to get a return when the the return for the uk in £s not votes to stay in power .
Didnt take long for chippy inglander posing as weeman to bite. Pity he had fuck all to say .
its such a pity someone hasn’t managed to nail ed balls..he must rate as one of the slimiest two faced scumbags to hold office…his very manner is irritating and what he says as usual snided to make believe he was a economic alchemist ..walking joke.
I do have something to say, you’re a whiny jock cuпt.
I think all civilised people here should be nice and polite to each other whilst the Scotch can go and fuck off.
Do not forget the Cons idol ADAM SMITH, was he no a jock then, mind you he has been dead for a very long time.
Notice how the bigots cant justify their thick bigotry and resort only to abuse when their shit for brains thinking is exposed. Its plain to see what you are all about folks. Extremists think the same way so your in good company.
its good to be english
‘you’re’, not ‘your’.
Ah punctuation, the last refuge of the man with no argument.
Higher TAXES. Lower government spending on all of their useless Shit. And a bunch of useless Public School boys with No undestanding of how to make money. You would have to be mental if you expect anything else
Yet the “New Deal” polyticks extended the American depression.
Funny that schools taught the opposite of the truth?
A lot of the American right believe in creationism, they even have a museum where presentday animals and man are alive at the same time as the dinosaurs, in fact in certain states it is illegal to not teach creationism.
WTF has that got to do with anything you fucking tosser? In North Korea they still believe in communism, and thereby is one of the world’s worst repressive shit holes.
Language child, your mummy and daddy would not like to read the words that you have written what on earth has Korea got to do with it, now go away and put your toys away and straight to be.
The American Right has creationism, the American Left has global warming. Both are squarely against the weight of the evidence. No prizes for guessing which fairy tale is taken seriously in the US media and which one is not (and of course, neither should be– before any Leftie mongs start their shite).
By that you mean media like WSJ and Fox News, both Murdoch owned, Fox News has by all accounts a lot of ranters who have just tunnel vision, how would they be recieved in the UK, maybe provide a lot of good laughs no doubt.
“By all accounts” which means you’ve not seen it and can’t really address the subject with any authority, lacking any real evidence for your position. Sort of like how the Left-leaning Media, i.e. everyone but Fox and WSJ, take Global Warming on faith, and how the Bible Thumpers take Creation on faith. “A lot of ranters who have just tunnel vision…” Have you ever watched the BBC in all your life?
Irony-deficiency anaemia for sure! Now have a nice cuppa, sit in the corner, and be a quiet little mong, there’s a good lad…
Forkbender’s trouble:
Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair
It was only WWII that got the USA out of recession.
No 3rd rate loony left spending on infrastructure etc as Balls Up would make us believe did it. Time he went back to Obamaland and gave us a rest from his gurning and idiotic statements that only the BBC believe.
But we ruled an Empire in the 30s, this time we are just a state in the EUSSR
Exactly, so much has changed it’s like comparing apples to oranges.
Why, next thing you know that hag Tessa will be created a Dame.
Where is the knighthood I so much deserve and expected?
Wasn’t that spike in 1934 caused by going off the gold standard? The Euro is acting like a gold standard in the PIIGS countries (they don’t like to be called that).
Yes, going off the Gold Standard was a key help to recovery – it led to a significant devaluation of the Pound. There is a correlation between those countries that left the Gold Standard soonest and those that recovered earlier and faster. Britain did relatively well from the mid 30s – certainly in the Midlands and South there was a significant expansion in jobs and incomes and massive increase in new homes and home ownership. My own Grandfather bought his first house for, I think, £200 in 1936.
Going off the Gold Standard was done because Britain’s wealth was squandered in the First World War. It allowed a temporary improvement in economic indicators but contributed to the long term decline of the country. Remember the British Empire and industrial revolution both happened entirely under the Gold Standard and prices remained almost entirely stable for over 200 years meaning that wealth could be built and saved. Contrast that with the record since we moved to fiat funny money. Inflation, decline, massive government, almost constant war since 1939. Gold keeps politicians honest, that’s why they hate it so.
Yes, that loon Brown hated gold so much that he virtually gave all our gold away for a few worthless Euros.
Gold ?? Sell !!!
It’s now the Banks that create money the mere act of lending creates money, as some of that created money will be spent, some will go into bank accounts which in turn will be lent, the government has very control over lending (the banks wanted no restrictions on their lending and a very small liquidity ratio and Gordo obliged)
Must have been a big house or in a good area?
We’d be in a worse state if we were fully in the clutches of the EUSSR.
And we’d be in a worse state if Brown and Balls were running the economy.
I am afraid if we had not had BrownBalls, we would have been in the Euro, their only redeeming virtue
The role of imperial trade was vital to Britain coming out of the Great Depression, with captive markets and access to cheap materials the Empire was able to make much better headway in a general recovery. The other and important element from 1936 was the programme of rearming that saw substantial investment in key manufacturing sectors. Unlike today state spending and intervention helped the real economy and prepared for the nation to face its greatest test in 1939.
But they had Stanley Baldwin, who was competent.
I want my empire back. And my marbles.
I urge the electorate to vote UKIP at the next general election.
The Sun newspaper will be backing UKIP,in addition to my good self.
A UKIP vote is a vote for Labour !!
A vote for Cameron is a vote for more of the same progressive shite Labour foisted on us.
If possible vote for anyone but Lib/Lab/Con that will really screw them up.
Agreed, with the exception of the even worse ( if it’s possible ) Green idiots.
That isnt true, Cameron hasnt started one war Tone started lots !
Robert Peston of the bbc stated that ed balls made a compelling comment on the economy this morning:-
“Unless you listen to my five point plan I will thcream and thcream and untll I am thick”
He is pretty thick
Peston is also a communist trained member of Common Purpose, the Marxist “charity”.
and a blithering wanker
who when he speaks sounds as if hes mid wank
The trouble with Common Purpose is that it is opposed by people like David Ické. A bit like Gordon Brown, Ické has one sensible policy (opposition to the Euro with Brown and opposition to Common Purpose with Ické), but because of who/what he is he is ignored/ridiculed.
Incidentally, did you know that the idiot who got arrested in Ryde, Isle of Wight for singing “Kung Fu Fighting” at a Chinese takeaway was Ické’s son-in-law?
Balls was Brown’s henchman when this economic catastrophe started.
How the hell he can be held up as some kind of economic expert is beyond me.
Im always amazed that Peston keeps his job. He waffles on and on, i have us usually last the thread by rhe time he finishes hi reports.
Like everything else, inflation has eaten away at growth figures.
0%…I call that growth!
Gideon calls 0% not negative growth
Ed Balls is wrong on everything, at every level and every time.
He operates on the basis of the Goebels dictum;tell big enough lies as often as possible & the people will believe them.
That is our job and we believe we are very good at it.
Balls is supposed to be an economist but it is well known that the UK recovered from the slump faster than anywhere else save in the “Distressed Areas” which were over-reliant on heavy industry -(the North East,South Wales valleys etc) and which have never really returned to prosperity to this day.
If he is so ignorant, God help us if he gets anywhere near No. 11.
Wish we had the debt levels of those times now.
I’ve got a 15 inch level of debt, interested?
Quite unsustainable at that level.
What puzzles me is the nagging suspicion that most of the debt is just the result of governments printing money to devalue themselves out of previous debt – that we are in fact in a vicious circle that the politicians and central bankers create to give the illusion of growth when the real per-capita GDP is static.
The exponential increase in debt since the dropping of the gold standard (and the resulting lack of anything concrete with which to compare the debt) tends to make me think that this is the case.
Compare gold prices in the 1930s to now, and the debt is roughly equivalent.
The problem is not just the debt but the fact that
a) the debt is remorselessly increasing because of high public sector spending that the LibLabcon alliance pretends is being slashed but it is not. A current day myth.
b) back in the 30s we had a huge trading Empire with the Commonwealth and a big manufacturing industry that the unions had not yet destroyed.
Where is future (real) growth going to come from?
If growth comes about through borrowing based on an artificial housing bubble, (especially after 2002, when it should have burst naturally) and spending on non-productive and non-essential public services, then is it real growth? Have we, in fact, had any real growth since 1997?
The lack of benchmark is indeed a very valid objection to making comparisons.
There are risks though. I have similar thoughts about massaged figures which show growth rates in decimals of a percent and wonder, if the fiddling were to be removed, what they really are. I laugh when people say Oh! -0.1% calamity! when they previously said 0.1% Great! We are not in recession! What is the freaking difference? Bugger all.
Look at an old Pathé newsreel and it is hard not to believe that we are not more prosperous in recent decades. Obviously we have nearly all gone into debt to get there. If you manage to liquidate your debt, then it all seems so much rosier and you reason that it will follow for others behind you. Right at the moment, it doesn’t seem that way at all, even for those with employment. For the unemployed with mortgages, it must be a nightmare. Probably it can only get worse.
At the most pessimistic level, if society collapses, then what good would gold be? You need to grow your own food and be able to shoot anyone who attempts to steal it.
Gerroff my land!
My gun is bigger than yours…
you’re on good form moniker ..are you taking new meds ?
The fresh air is wild here…
thats the best med…have a good summer
And you too. I have to go to Cannes in the next month or so. have not been for 18 months.
still lovely but has it changed over the years…so much development along croisette and cars everywhere just such a contrast even to the 80s let alone the 60s …nevertheless still lovely at night and very lively.
I remember it from the 60s too. That is why I am in Istria. Here it is now rather like the Riviera was at that time.
In half a century this will go the same way, although they are taking steps to limit it.
So gold at £20 then, gold at £1600 now. 80 times.
Earlier a guy said his old man bought his first house for £200. You selling yours for £16 grand??
Gold’s $1600 ish, more like £1000 per troy ounce.
Your point still holds though.
Growth is easy, just borrow, print spend and tax, then put lots of adverts in the Guardian for lesbians to earn 70K a year as diversity officers.
Or give John Prescott 10 billion to spend on fire control rooms.
Put me back in charge and I will fix things overnight.
Your understudy Osborne is following your example Gordon, in fact he’s exceeded your economic lunacy at every level so far.
Kindly do not confuse “earning” with “being paid”.
You may go. That is all.
You certainly fuxed things but that took 13 years.
You have got to laugh, awards handed out for corruption, this morning tessa jowell and her mortgage signing service has been made a dame
Outrageous affront to decency
Crooks rewarding crooks, who would have thought it?
Dame Tessa of Sleaze
We really have got it terribly, comically, tragically wrong for Britain.
Agreed Gonk,except for the “comically”.Nothing comical about the situation.
Whose decision was it? Someone who wants to bring about the end of the honours system?
If someone feels like that, the honourable thing to do would be resign instead of insulting the public like this.
Facts have never hindered Balls when he wants to make a political point.
CPS not biased either then???
The CPS is biased, but facts cannot be biased by definition.
Where is anon this morning, miss the comments from the plastic jock
Probably still asleep in a skip.
http://biased-bbc.com/2012/06/15/spend-spend-spend-er-dont-tax/
also here on Ballsian economics
Stephanie “two eds” flanders should have had an award this morning for “perversion above and beyond the call of duty”
The entire “Honours” system is corrupt and dishonourable.
It should all be scrapped forthwith.
Listen to what Ed Balls says and do the opposite.
So Ballsache makes his usual bollocks of anything financial. There must be a good reason for his persistent stupidity; did his wife hit him too hard with a rolling-pin?
caught him beating his meat over photo of two eds flanders
if she did she certainly didn’t hit him hard enough
To conquer Ed Bollocks…you must become bollocks…
The two years after the crash look very similar in terms of annual growth to the last two years of this current turmoil. Not saying I agree with Gideon’s current policy, but it’s a trend worth noting.
The thing is, we are now facing a crisis of business confidence.
Agreed, that and a crisis of country confidence, of domestic confidence… I wasn’t alive in the 30′s, but I imagine that the feelings were pretty similar, if only less immediate given the lack of internet. I do wonder what the difference was in 1934, what combination of events suddenly occurred to take annual GDP from a misfiring <1% to a whopping 6%. What provided the steroid like growth 5 years after the initial shock, was it due to any kind of governmental influence/stimulation, or was it simply a case of nature taking its course?
If anyone has genuine knowledge of the scenario I would love to know.
For the record I'm guessing that it was nothing to do with any particularly insightful legislative influence, the fact that it's so long after the trigger event suggests to me that (as with the current powers that be) those pulling the strings probably didn't know what the f*ck to do.
Rearmament.
Just a thought, kick my head in if you must, but wasn’t that the time where a certain mustachioed in a country that seems to be trying the same trick but a different way and this country was rearming as fast as both could along with country that eats snails and kicked off a lot more countries into rearming knowing the world was heading for a major war.
Yes, that was my first thought too. Perhaps we need to be building more aircraft carriers and drones [ Not like the ones we have in the HoC!].
And may be a few planes to put on the aircraft carriers
Rearmament only started in the late thirties, peak growth was before that.
Trefgarnes paper is worth reading. Restoring the budget by cutting all state benefits and salaries by 10% eliminated the deficit almost immediately (debt was higher than now, but mostly debt from WW1). Finances were good enough by 1935 for the Conservative Chancellor to restore these cuts.
Compare with the USA where the “New Deal” ended by sending America into a Double Dip by 1937.
No two ways about it: Ed Balls is a Fuckwit.
Note the words in the above … “debt from WW1″ …
It’s all about and has only ever been about some people holding (Unlawful entrapment are two other words) others “locked” (‘n “docked???”) into debt.
I’m seeing more and more comparisons to the 1930′s. Krugman at NYT was comparing them the other day. He recommends printing money.
Krugman’s kin also recommended that back in 1920′s Weimar Germany. Look what that led to. Hitler turning Germany around within a few years by dismissing the cosmopolitan’s web of international finance. Socialism in one country was the success of Germany as opposed to the fraud that is international socialism that we have today.
“Socialism in one country was the success of Germany……..”
So the holocaust was a success then was it?
“so the holocaust was a success…”
No. If it had been, the Middle East would be much more peaceful.
Which holocaust? – there have been many – sadly though; some people only want to refer to one in particular.
History is littered with miscarriages on justice.
Remember the first casualty of war …. The truth.
“Krugman’s kin”
Really?
I think you’ll find the full phrase is, “Krugman’s a ‘kin wanker”
Krugman is a self regarding wanker.
He’s been bought or even brought in as a last “desperado” to ‘$ell’ more financial duplicitous usury style trickery.
Economic with the truth …
Happy birthday Mr Powell.
This should be on the Google search page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enoch_Powell
Indeed. History will be kinder to him than it is now.
how old are you – 5 months??????
If that is the criteria of measurement, that makes you 5 days.
I saw him speak. Did you?
He should have known better to get a rightie started on the 30s, or “the good old days” as they prefer to call them.
Ah Yes the 1930′s a glorious era of Fabians, communists, National Socialists and all things totalitarian where the Stae was preminent above the individual . Sorry did you say “Righties” ?
We’ll be calling these the good old days once we’ve entered Mad Max territory Jimmy, and we’ve only got the huge increase in debt and deficit during Labour’s reign to thank for that.
Sadly, if we ever get any ‘good old days’ under the lefties, the resultant bills are gigantic.
The Nazis and fascism are competing left wing versions of socialism Jimmy. Get over it.
Rightie tightie
Leftie loosie
My plumber told me that, sagacious man.
Was his wife Loosie Lastik?
Maybe.
One of the big political battles of the 1930s was between the Tories who wanted to re-arm, in case Hitler and Mussolini proved to be dangerous, and the Left who, on Stalin’s instructions, wanted the country to be defenceless.
CND anyone ?
Is there a big book of guido “history” you get all this bollocks from?
Look up Sir Kingsley Wood and the shadow factories.
Trouble is the bastard also invented PAYE which fucks both me and you. Oh! Sorry Jimmy! I forgot…
Jimmy can’t keep up with history, every time Labour get in it becomes year zero.
No Pol, every time Labour are kicked out it is year 0. That way they can avoid responsibility for the mountain of shit the Tories have to pick up, every time.
Former Labour Prime Ministers must also be avoided in polite (if strained) conversation among lefties.
jimmy gets his bollocks out
You weren’t expecting to see his wallet, were your?
There’s no money left.
All the Wars & Coups – since 1914 have been ‘funded’. In fact if one thinks carefully enough about the subject; something ought to be dawning on many people.
Lets say I am a rich banker – and I want to max out my profit. Perhaps in this Warfare Business – I can fund all sides in a war. I can’t lose and whoever wins will have to pay back all my war loans given to them in the written contract. I will set up the loans with a nice interest rate and recieve war loans repayments for decades. As for the losers they will have to pay reparations and I can get in on that act as well. Double nae even triple bubble. Pit them all at one another and hey ho – a profit here we go.
Couldn’t – this Business Warfare thing be just what lies behind Murdoch or even his string-pullers?
Politicians are stupid enough to go to war without the nebulous “bankers” pulling the strings.
Your point probably has validity when looking at some coups, and the US certainly has form when it comes to interfering for economic reasons, but no more so than the internationalists of the left for ideological ones.
What you forget is that many loans made by bankers default and never get repaid. They get written off. The Argentine debts from their bailouts (what 20 years ago?) are still outstanding. And does anybody really believe the Greeks will ever repay all their debts? When businesses go bust the banks lose out. When there is a bust or credit crunch following a house price boom and house values plummet, many highly mortgaged house owners and greedy property speculators will lose their homes but the banks will be left with thumping losses. If banking was so easy they wouldn’t all be in the financial mess they are in now – even if it was their own bloody fault.
isn’t the manipulation of money a banker’s job…the problem with the current scenario is …they fuck up and we pay to recapitalise them…they then stop lending to the meat of the economy and don’t take out the bad debt…they lend elsewhere or hedge.
You’re looking at the wrong banks. It’s not the banks that you and I have heard of who are ‘bailing out’ the likes of Greece, it’s the ones behind the scenes – and they’re not going bust, they’re doing very nicely. Everything’s going to plan, in fact.
the biggest hedgers there are
Several excellent comments here abouts – so I throw this additional piece into the ring with ref to the Gold / Gold Standard.
From about 1920 onwards there were four key Media Moguls / Proprietors in the UK. They among themselves throughout the 20′s, 30′s 40′s – ‘assumed’ that they were the king pins at ‘feeding the masses’ through their paper circulations. They never (no-one did) odded (Odds) for the net. They assumed that they were going to be the king pins for a hundred years and more.
Even in the ’70′ and 80′s – the likes of Rupee – believed that they were the comptrollers for all time. Huh.
Credit Cards – by the way (A cancer developed by bankers) are a plague which ‘tie’ people to debt. They were first introduced in the USA, where the whole gambit is to keep people ‘lashed to being a debtor’ for all of their lives.
There are many myths that are peddled by dangerous unprincipled liars like Balls. It is up to people like Guido to put the record straight. The BBC will certainly never do so.
Tessa jowel has been made a Dame presumably not because of her inability to read and understand a mortgage application form. To be fair though its just as well she didnt read nor understand it since if she did she would be guilty of corruption.
Crime pays.
May they rot together
Well, be fair now. After all she did have a savings scheme named after her, didn’t she?
Is she still separated from her husband?
Of course, she is as clean as a whistle, which is why her other political endeavours involved pushing through the 2005 Gambling Act and sticking her nose into putting on the Olympics. Yup, she’s clean as a whistle.
Except that she had about four go’s at doing the back of a fag packet budget for the Olympics. No A levels in finance, mathematics or common sense should have been awarded let alone becoming a Dame. Ethel Merman was much more deserving.
Labour party are making redundancies , interesting to see what the unions think .
‘unions’ and ‘think’ in the same sentence ….. mmmmm !
Cutting too far, too deep and too quickly.
Whilst the union bosses are raking it in.
BBC News….Breaking…..The English Language
” The Queen has only missed attending one Trooping Of The Colours ceremony, when the event was cancelled”
What do you expect, innit!
Well, HM would have looked a bit silly sitting on her horse all by her royal self in the middle of an empty Horse Guards Parade ground, so perhaps missing it was a good idea.
Simply BBC half truths at work. Nothing there – move on move on.
Dame Tessa Jowell of Hacking in The County of Lancashire.
Politicians when they have anything to do with anything, the anything is devalued
♫ There is nothing like a Dame, nothing like a…♫, oo err.
Agreed, but this one is a pantomime version!
Baron Brown of Twatt in The County of Orkney.
Before truth has time to get his trousers on the lie is already half way around the world.
Oh, yes !!
So Gary Barlow is suprised to get an O.B.E. He cannot be more surprised than those who watched that goddam awful concert. He ought to be put in the Tower.Is there anyone out there who thought the concert was an insult to a Diamond Jubilee. I’ve heard nothing except gushing praise from press and sycophants. Total disaster.
Gary was surprised as he had been aiming for a knighthood, the sudden onset of tv appearances,”charity work” and general fawning over her Maj was sickening.
Wonder if they declared any rental income ?
A neighbour said that a new letterbox had been installed before he realised that it was just Slotgob leaving.
A good socialist family ! hahaha !
Still juggling them balls?
“Well, that’s democracy for you.”
Dame Jowell – more like Pantomime Dame Jowell
Be fair, – there ain’t many wimmin who can beat us at socialist dialectic!
It doesn’t matter that it’s a lie. The lie has been reported.
The truth is much less interesting. Expect bedwetters everywhere to be rep*eating the lie from now to Kingdom Come.
The problem is that “growth” is meaningless to people without a job. Unemployment is always one of the last things to fall, despite there being an increase in growth. We still had 1.5 million unemployed at the time of Dunkirk, and this was after 8 years of real growth. So in folk memory the 1930′s are bad because of the unemployment. It’s the same with the 1980′s.
It should be the same now. Real unemployment has stood at about 6 million for the last 10 years, but the government has had the funds to ensure that it is tolerable, and not the hell that it was in the 30′s. Real unemployment could be halved overnight by kicking out the 3 million eastern Européáns who have turned up since 2004 and taken the bulk of the low paid jobs (I’m not blaming them for coming here and working, but the influx of people prepared to work for minimum wage, which in reality is also maximum wage, and consequently paying minimal levels of tax, has been a disaster for our own unemployed).
Just what is this persistent obsession with “growth”?
What is wrong with a period of consolidation instead?
146 Darwinianism: having observed (?) that species evolve by adaptation, Darwinianists, assume that adaptation=change, and therefore, change =survival. Unfortunately, few species can accurately foreknow what the next crucial changes in environment will be (a few months ago, we were all due for a devastating drought), and many/most/all will ‘adapt’ to changes that don’t actually happen. Hence, I think, the obsession with ‘growth’. The Dinosaurs grew to be pretty big; the woodlouse is pretty small, shouldn’t have survived, is so unadapted that it easily drowns or dries out…
Did someone mention cake ?
If children understood how to reason they would not need to be educated JJR
And if your aunt had balls, she would be Yvette.
I guess Yvette had Ed over a barrel.
Tonnellerie Rousseau wishes it to be known that they have no connection, apart from name, with JJR.
Bet they could use a bung. Pity there’s no money left.
The Labour Party will place cookies on your computer to help us make my website better.
I love baking cookies.
I’m an excellent chef you know.
Pretty good at cooking the books, too, by all accounts.
Watch out for the crumbs.
http://xkcd.com/237/
They better not without asking can they put a cookie on your computer, new EU law supposed to stop them innit.
It certainly wasn’t me.
Must be a good lunch…
No new tweets for 3 hours or pages for 4 hours (yesterday there was a new page for every 10 comments.)
Is anyone close to the Westminster Arms? If so, could you take a quick look to see if the lad is OK?
Perhaps you should check your calendar.
Pope Pius IX is elected Pope beginning the longest reign in the history of the papacy (except St Peter)?
That would appear to have been a Tuesday, although it would have been Sunday where you are, it seems.
Here, however, it’s Saturday all day today as far as I’m aware. Ed Minibrain has doubtless decided he’s sick and gone to watch football.
I’m sorry, I’ll type that again :
That would appear to have been a Tuesday, although it would have been Sunday where you are, it seems.
Here, however, it’s Saturday all day today as far as I’m aware. Ed Minibrain has doubtless decided he’s sick and gone to watch football.
That looks like it was a Tuesday, although it would have been a Sunday where you are, it seems.
Here, however, it’s Saturday all day today as far as I’m aware. Ed Minibrain has doubtless decided he’s sick and gone to watch football.
That would appear to have been a Tuesday, although it would have been Sunday where you are, it seems.
Here, however, it’s Saturday all day today as far as I’m aware. Ed Minibrain has doubtless decided he’s sick and gone to watch football.
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(Just realised that it is forbidden to mention Saturdays on here, by order of the management.)
Oops! Hadn’t realised it was Tueday today…
And you accuse others of early lubrication.
?mark outside brackets and S missing from Monday
Since 1987, I have not worked conventional weeks. It becomes difficult after only a few years to realise that many folks don’t work Saturdays and Sundays. After this time, it is impossible.
I am cleaning up place after collateral damage from electricians in ten different areas using two vacuums, bucket of water, cloths, dusters and polish. No excuse for appalling punctuation and spelling though.
No doubt everyone will take it that I am inebriated … so, damn it, tonight I shall be!
Sіncе 1987, І hаvе nоt wоrkеd cоnvеntіоnаl wееks. Іt bеcоmеs dіffіcult аftеr оnly а fеw yеаrs tо rеаlіsе thаt mаny fоlks dоn’t wоrk Sаturdаys аnd Sundаys. Аftеr thіs tіmе, іt іs іmpоssіblе.
І аm clеаnіng up plаcе аftеr cоllаtеrаl dаmаgе frоm еlеctrіcіаns іn tеn dіffеrеnt аrеаs usіng twо vаcuums, buckеt оf wаtеr, clоths, dustеrs аnd pоlіsh. Nо еxcusе fоr аppаllіng punctuаtіоn аnd spеllіng thоugh.
Nо dоubt еvеryоnе wіll tаkе іt thаt І аm іnеbrіаtеd … sо , dаmn іt, tоnіght І shаll bе!
All together now –
Twas on the Monday morning
The gasman cam to call…
On Saturday and Sunday we do no work at all …
Meet that and raise you.
Have not worked since 1990
2 Vacuums and a Leaf Blower
You are all so cruel. I have eaten humble pie. What more do you want?
Whilst you have been sucking your mouse I have made and frozen
4 Spaghetti Meatballs
4 Pasta Carbonnara
5 pork fillet in orange sauce, Broccoli,Buttered Carrots and New Pots
2 Pork in Black bean Sauce, Noodles And Stir Fry Veg
4 salmon Fishcakes
and a Bacon sarnie for the Missus.
And Guido has downed 5 Pints
And a bottle of £4.99 Chardonnay for me.
Touché.
I fear that today you have the better of me.
You can make up for it later.
What’s premature for one is an eternity for others.
Is there a scientific definition of premature?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2160104/From-inventor-Viagra-spray-help-love-moment.html
OMFG!
The average Europеan man has staying power of six minutes.
No wonder the Euro is fucked.
8illy always did put quantity before quality
Monika is obviously gearing up to celebrate England’s Euro 2012 success.
Seems that the EU Propaganda in Greece (as in Ireland) is to put the frighteners on the little people to vote the right way this time or they will all be destitute. Of course the reality is if they vote the wrong way is that the rich will be hit and it won’t affect ordinary Stavros one iota short term and longer term a Drachma will make orrdinary Stavros a lot richer.
Something on the news before , Greeks are coming from Australia to vote in the Greek elections to make sure that Greece stay in Euroland, they are scared that Greece won’t be able to trade with the Euroland if they leave, the idiot was a travel agent, brainwashing at it’s best, no wonder Eire voted to stay in, I wonder sometimes who is sane, the drugtakers or the public.
The BBC are also confusing the EURO with the EU. Greece leaving the Euro zone does no equal Greece leving the EU, except in BBC lala land and Brussels propaganda.
The BBC are even doing it now on their news channel they are having a discussion on Greece and basically saying and Eurosceptics are nutters. There is absolutely no balance in this debate at all.
Dateline, a discussion? F*ck off, it’s a lefty love in.
…no wonder Eire voted to stay in…
No, they actually did not. The turnout was just a speck over 50% – and of that figure only 30% said Yes. That has been spun to state that the Irish voted by 60% to stay in whereas the correct figure remains at 30% of 50% = 15% of the population
The other 85% did not vote Yes. But it serves then right for not getting out and voting.
Here’s an Ironic thing. Do keep calm and read it properly mind.
So 4000 or so inhabitants of the Falklands – will be getting a REFERENDUM [note that word] as to whether or not they wish to remain under the control of the UK.
Absolutely fine – and bearing in mind that hardly any of them are likely to vote any other way.
Here’s the Irony then!!! So when it comes to the vast majority of the public inhabiting The UK – being given a REFERENDUM – on in/out of the EU – what do we get …. dithering, rhetoric, spin, lies even, mendacity, horse-trading and a lorra lorra fear-mongering!
I do love irony.
Yes but the decision was taken by the Falkland Islands Government, which is independent of the British Government, which is the one denying US the right to a referendum on whether or not WE want to remain British.
In other words, it’s nowt to do with Cameron.
nothing is ever cameron’s fault is it
With respect buster – get real.
Do you seriously believe that when you are “told” that a body are “Independent” – that they actually are? [Deluded Mug - never mind pot kettle black]
Their only Independence is absolutely from the Public. e.g. The IPCC (Cop protection racket stuffed with …. ex-cops!!!) Hello … coffee the smell and up wake.
Judiciary independent of Government – half the MP’s are married to the judiciary …. Hello.
OK, so let’s hang the lawyers first; then we can get round to the MPs.
Let’s face reality. If Gordon had not sold our Goild and it was now sitting in a vault under the BOE. Dave would now be selling it to buy windmills, solar panels and a new train line, he would not be using it for useful things such as nuclear power stations and improving the roads. He’d probably give away a good chunk of it as foreign aid too.
The loss to the taxpayer caused by Brown’s insane góld sell-off was about £5billion, so the revenue wouldn’t have made a dent in Dave’s insane £11billion p/a foreign aid splurge, let alone paid for much of Dave’s absolutely insane £32billion HS2 railway white elephant. Nor the £13billion he wastes every year on our EUSSR membership.
But I agree – Dave would now be giving it away. He’s as fiscally incompetent as Brown ever was.
And which Firm advised Gordon to sell off the gold as the Government advisers of the time – Goldman $ach$ no le$$.
I mean – come on lets get real here.
You seem to have omitted who bought most of it too. Funny that.
And who is now boss of the ECB? What firm did the President of Italy (and Greece?) once work for (and maybe still does?) Etc Etc
The list is endless. Why can you never find a suicide raghead when you need one?
Just seen an ad here
“own a piece of scotland”
Why would I wish to do so?
It must be puka ’cause its been seen on TV
To be fair, morally speaking, you probably already do.
Ed Balls could do the people of the UK a big favour if he shut the fuck up and pissed off out of the country. Send him to Jordan, Jack Straw knows how.
“Cherie Blair and son Euan investigated over claims they breached planning rules by sub-letting basement of £1.3m Marylebone home” – DM
Is there no limit to their mendacity?
No.
“Well, that’s democracy for you”
No … Mr Tony Narcissist natural born liar – It’s ‘Duplicity’; not democracy wot you fork-tongued style speak of… and let’s look at all of the Internatsional Corporations who have ‘bunged you a million or two’ for your supreme cravenness to their dirty dollar”. Reward for you being their puppet jester placeman miranda bidder.
“A Conservative councillor for one of the most deprived areas in the country collects more than £1,200 per meeting from the taxpayer, it has been revealed. Sara Cliff has been paid £23,000 to attend just 19 meetings — and to top it off she lives 119 miles from the area she represents.
While her East Lincoln electoral district is in the bottom 10% of areas marred by child poverty, Cliff resides in leafy Cambridgeshire.
Sara has been dubbed “the invisible woman” by fellow councillors.”
Another Tory Trougher.
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/9612257.Labour_councillor___My_real_mother_is_a_green_alien_/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2048689/Labour-councillor-campaigned-Harriet-Harman-admits-grooming-15-year-old-girl-blackmailer.html
“Sara has been dubbed “the invisible woman” by fellow councillors.””
‘She’ must be doing something right, if the locals voted for her.
China launch first women into space.
Just 669,149,756 left to follow. ( as of 30 secs ago )
The one baby policy is not working.
She’ll fly around the planet 20 times in the wrong direction, get lost, read the map the wrong way up, slow down to an absolute crawl (forcing the ISS to swerve out of her way), then she’ll spend 6 hours trying to park before crashing in the sea.
… and then get out, saying, ‘I don’t know why you make so much of a fuss about things. Why are all these Coastguards here?…’
Ha bloody ha!
I would love to know the equation used to define ‘real’ then I might believe it.
You have to smile at edballs – he who helped gordon sell our gold at brown bottom and then went on to trash our education system, spouting off about how osborne is getting it wrong.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle b lac k.
If you can stomach it go 2 hours and about 40 minutes in and see what an easy time Ed Balls gets off Radio 5.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/b01js35v
To the lefties running the BBBC, that balls creature is a great economic sage and they hang on his every word.
How the fuck can a c u nt like Tessa Jowell bet an award off the Queen? Fuck me what next, Tony Blair gets an award for promoting world peace and Gordon Brown one for economic prowess?
+Laughs+ Oh auntymatter bliar with an award for pe@ce and gordon for economic prowess. That made me laugh!!
“Well, that’s democracy for you!”
Is that Lisa Snowden. She wouldn’t have to ask me twice.
Back then we had a functioning manufacturing industry making stuff people all over the world wanted to buy.
China has now taken that position completely.
We are screwed until we get the population back to a sustainable level.
Send 50% of school-leavers to Universities to gain degrees in meeja studies !!
It’s the future and I was the future once….
Take out the final solution aspect of what you said , and you are nearly at the stage of a new ecnomics hypothoysis , rover for £1 anyone , LDV for similar , call centres oversees ,,all overseen underLabour ….
But these educated people might not vote Liebour, so they imported millions of un-educated from the third world (I include former Communist Eastern Europe) to ensure a steady stream of voters.
Loved the George Galloway result – another example of the law of unintended consequences.
I’VE ALWAYS DESPISED NEWS INTERNATIONAL….
Is Murdoch finished yet?
Does he have a memory?
Does a duck swim?
Yet another good move, Ed. A blinder, in fact.
Ah yes, the millionaire Ed Miliband, born with a silver spoon in his mouth along with most of the rest of his shadow cabinet, speaks out against the powerful on behalf of the ordinary people of this country. What a joker.
I heard Ed Milliband snuffling away on the news on Radio 4 at 10 pm.He was attacking David Cameron for not being down with the “ordinary” people and being friends with Rebekah.The irony of Tony and Gordons personal involvement with Murdoch and Becky( Godfather and sleepovers )to name but 2 of the worst examples, seemed to escape Ed entirely !
Yeah, he’s ordinary alright. So ordinary that when asked how much he’d paid for the house he lives in he couldn’t at first remember he’d bought it the year previously for £1.6million.
Brain dead Ed and the BBC = a marriage made in heaven. What a gay day.
Ah yes , but did anyone notice neither Ed was talking directly about eurozone , you see selling off the gold and racking up those debts in labour world did not leave us in such a bad position , given that they were aware of debts in EU …… eh
Even those who claim that the ruins alledged 5 point test for UK entry into the eurozone isnt much of face saver , I mean even in the ruins tenure the principal must have been obvious vs the test , if what you see is growth from borrowing more , 5 point test is and was worthless charade , hedemony against the proper understanding of the facts and a referendum requirement.
Dont forget St Tone was in line for el presidente , 5 point sell out for unproveable wonk .
Come ed wheres your call on the eurozone ,wheres labours vast intellectual proposal of how it is going to work , taking pot shots at , wrong people and lack of growth . “with you in the tough times” eh wheres the evidence of that , stoking strikes , the only place in the tough times where labour is to be found is in holing the life boats . Opposition is only credible when you produce a plan or budget , somthing you havent done for 2 yrs . Tell your supporters the truth you and your socialist chums created too much debt and perhaps more importantly shifted it down the road or off balance sheet .
I declare your party frit , of offering eurozone solution , as you know it makes people think of all the debt you racked up in the UK and how uterlly wrong you were all along the spun euphoric garden path , that you led so many up .
The modern approach to politics in opposition is that you don’t prepare a plan for the first four years. John Smith bucked that and it blew up in his face – they still remember that. You keep your powder dry and only commit when it is really necessary. I’m not indicating approval, just saying how it is.
I lost your hegemony point though (assume that is a typo and not a Hindu reference.) Could you clarify?
12 hours and several reams later………
CRMM Hindu reference.) Could you clarify?
Hedemony translates as Hedemony ( Hindi )
I’M no better informed
Can’t think why you should think I am?!!
You would have to read Mallhi, A (2005) The illusion of secularism: Mani Ratname’s Bombay and the consolidation of Hindu hedemony. Centre for Asia-Pacific Initiatives (CAPI competition winner, no less!)
I have nothing against wearers of the turban, in fact some are very fine chaps but I had to make a management decision that machine really meant hegemony, a word with which I am much more familiar.
Maybe he will explain?
BTW If you don’t want to go east, then you can cross the pond (a bit further than Times Square) to find this:
Rollings, Willard H., The Osage: An Ethnohistorical Study of Hedemony on the Prairie-Plains. Columbia: University of Missouri Press, 1992.
I am bowed down with cleaning the dust damage here, coupled with that faux pas today, which threatens to leave such an enormous blotch upon my escutcheon, and my thoughts on the Consciousness of Dennett, Smith, Chalmers, Nagal et al that I can offer no better than point you in the right direction.
Nagel – tsk tsk
you were right on typo Cant remember my moniker , Hedgemony I did think , before somthing happened after that with keyboard and how I thought it was spelt . It just reminds me of missing oxbridge all over again , sob sob . Still wars are won also with humbler folk are they not ?
Yes, hegemony, with a hard g and stress similar to anemone.
My question was though: to what hegemony were you referring? Is the hegemon in this case the EU, the ECB or the Eurosystem? I assume you mean the ECB but I can’t be sure.
BTW Don’t you love that very American forename Willard?
One of my favourite philosophers, for the most outlandish of reasons, is Willard Van Orman Quine, out of the analytic school but sadly no longer with us. His inclusion in my list is largely, but not solely, for his most bizarre name. His friends called him Van.
The title of his book Two Dogmas of Empiricism I amended slightly by removing the ma as one of my former alternative monikers.
I love rats too.
Intensionality-with-an-s
Amazing. Thought it was a joke but then started to pick out some of the lyrics…
well if you talk of the euro as somthing needing to fullfil a test criteria for the UK economy, you avoid having to fully explain if the self same criteria is working for other countries , Labour never did talk in terms of how it was working for other sovereign countries , never debated , never raised it at EU meetings , I mean the figures were there of borrowing to EU countries all along werent they ?
To me a long winded criteria was a political ploy to avoid the truth of how the principal was working .
I recommend removing the nesting boxes from Drowning Street.
After all, that’s one place you really don’t want to encourage the tits.
Its a booby hatch
But at least they’re blue tits
And those to blame are… http://eotp.org/
OK Guys. When Greece leaves the Euro, what will a Euro then be worth in dollars?
But I’ll just covertly advertise and see if any mug volunteers…
Nothing to see here: just the usual socialist hypocrisy.
A socialist!…..she sounds more like a fucking robber baron expecting someone to work for her for free.
“Red Ed’s non-predator union bosses”
What a fucking crap name you’ve got. Is that the best you can come up with? Cretin.
“she sounds more like a fucking robber baron expecting someone to work for her for free.”
Yes, that’s exactly what she is. A hypocritical Labour-voting robber baron. A mong. A parasitic mong. You have to work, so she doesn’t. Like Pollytwaddle, quaffing Champagne in her Tuscan villa, whilst telling you to enjoy life in your grotty little cóuncil flat.
Parasitic socialist mongs. There are a lot of them about.
said the imbecile labelled ‘You f’ugly cun’t…..
Ambition vs principle, Penny?
Your tweet answers your pseudo-dilemma very effectively.
Why don’t you offer someone a cut of your future earnings? At least that would retain a fig leaf of ethics.
A cut of future earnings ? That’s capitalism isn’t it ?
In a way that ambition isn’t?
Living proof that socialism and socialists are broke.
What the fuck does the silly little girl need an assistant for?
She seems to manage the spouting of class-envy bullshit very well by herself.
Some needs to cut while she pastes.
Don’t you just hate the way minimum wage laws get in the way of gving someone a chance?
Sometimes you don’t notice a line in the sand until you trip over it. What is most shocking about the outcry over Tesco’s “workfare” job advert, which offered the exciting opportunity to stack shelves for “Jobseeker’s Allowance plus expenses”, is that anyone was shocked.
http://www.newstatesman.com/2012/02/work-mail-welfare-twitter
Penny, being a girl of principle, will surely not cross a line to go over to the dark side. Be strong Penny. Remember Ryan Gosling risked his life to save you.
So working for nothing for Laurie is ok, but stacking shelves for jobseekers allowance isnt, funny that.
You’re not even prepared to pay the minimum wage?
Doesn’t she have a credit card? Can’t she borrow the money? What kind of a socialist is she?
Socialism vs communism = total disaster,as been proved many times.
Ed Bollocks and his inane ramblings are proof of this.
This guy and his wifelet are two of the biggest troughers who are around at the moment.
How this asshole of a so called politician has the neck to talk about anything political is beyond me.
The surprising thing to me is this:-.
Why oh Why are brainwashed numpties voting for people such as him and his ilk.
His crowd has led us into into the biggest disaster since the 2nd world war with this EUSSR dream/disaster.
This liebour crowd have got to be got rid of in quick time if we are to retain our identity.
+1million,
And not “got rid of” in the democratic airy-fairy sense. “Got rid of” in the Roshonara Choudhary sense. Knife the subhuman Labour fuckers in the stomach.
Well said ‘credit’. My only worry is that Leiber has done this country so much harm that we can’t get our identity back now. Leiber gave our country away to the effnics.
My Socialist Paradise was nearly complete – and they pushed me out so my genius would never be recognised!
It is now obvious to all that the EU project is a socialist project and has always been. Quite why Edward Heath and David Cameron gave their support is the subject of many a bar side conversation.
But now is not the time for reflection, now is the time for action.
The clue was in the name all along.
I seem to be suffering from black-outs.
So Leveson was upset by Govey. Ah diddums. Resign you scouse git.
Leveson is a socialist. He has shown his true colours and must now refuse himself from the press inquisition.
Most of the judges are lefties these days. Didn’t you know?
Poppycock
I speak the Dutch round here
The word is reCuse, dimbo. You must be a NuLab lawyer.
Ah the insanity of growth fetishists.
By this logic we should welcome a 20% fall in GDP in one year because it will result in year-on-year growth as the economy recovers.
Average GDP growth is a terrible way to measure an economy’s progress.
me.myself,personally would like to see a reduction in the country’s population to a level where the island could produce enough food to feed itself and then the establishment of large areas of self managing robotic industrialization to take care of the running of things and then people could spend their time having fun and doing space travel and research and stuff but I suppose that is wishful thinking.
Yes, there was a recovery after the 1930s recession, and yes Ed Balls is wrong in saying there was not. However, please note the reason for the recovery: The UK went off the Gold Standard (before anyone else, so getting the jump on them) and then and introduced a policy of loans to private companies (the Great Western Railway, for example funded a sizable chunk of investment, in particular for new engine sheds). This is quite the reverse of this Government’s policy: which is one of relentless cuts.