June 15th, 2012

Mandelson Swears Brown Made War Call to Murdoch

Gordon Brown to Rupert Murdoch

If you have been watching BBC news or reading the Guardian you would think that Brown’s testimony was proven and Rupert Murdoch had made up the whole claim about Brown “declaring war”. At the Leveson Inquiry Lord Mandelson was questioned about the “war” call from Gordon Brown to Rupert Murdoch. It is worth revisiting what he said in his sworn testimony:

Jay Okay. You say in your book that Mr Brown was stunned by the news that the Sun had shifted allegiance, and that this grew greater, as it were, over the forthcoming weeks. Was it your assessment that Mr Brown was personally embittered by this?
Mandelson I think he was greatly upset by it. I don’t think he should have been surprised, but he took these things very personally. Look, different politicians will take these things in different ways, and he did feel stung by it. He thought that after all that he had done as Prime Minister, all that he had done to deliver our economy from the greatest post-war crisis that we had seen, during which he felt that in respect of the banks, for example, he had received a lot of encouragement from Rupert Murdoch and Irwin Stelzer and other informed commentators, that it was sort of unfair in a sense for them to turn on him now. He also felt wronged over Afghanistan, with good reason, and I was very sympathetic to him, but he shouldn’t have taken it so personally. You know, this is politics. …
Jay You might be able to throw direct light on that belief by a piece of evidence. We heard from Mr Murdoch — and he said it twice, sitting where you are — that there was a telephone call between him and Mr Brown when Mr Brown delivered what was tantamount to —
Mandelson  But the interesting thing about the phone call —
Jay  Can I —
Mandelson — is Mr Murdoch himself said that he did not agree with  the method and timing of what had been done.
Jay  Yes, but we don’t know yet from your evidence whether you know whether there was such a call, and that was the question.
Mandelson Oh, I’m sorry.
Jay The allegation is — or rather the evidence was from Mr Murdoch — that Mr Brown said or uttered the words “declare war on News International” or words to that effect. From your own knowledge, Lord Mandelson, can you assist us as to whether there was such a call? …
Mandelson  I assume that there was the call because I seem to remember the Prime Minister telling me that Rupert Murdoch was not at all happy with the method and timing of James and Rebekah’s action.
Jay What did the Prime Minister tell you, Lord Mandelson, about the call? Did he communicate to you that that’s what he told Mr Murdoch?
Mandelson  No, he didn’t say that. He told me what Mr Murdoch had said to him.
Jay So there was nothing about what Mr Brown said to Mr Murdoch? Is that your evidence?
Mandelson   Yes, it is. I cannot remember being told by Mr Brown what he said, and I have no way of knowing. But I — but I know what he said to me about Rupert Murdoch’s reaction, which was to say basically: “I don’t like how it’s been done and I think it’s a bad day to do it and I wouldn’t have done it this way myself, but that’s life and we have to get on with it.”
Jay  Mr Murdoch’s reaction to what, though, Lord Mandelson?
Mandelson   The decision of the Sun to switch support from New Labour to the Conservative Party, which he has said, if I recall correctly, was James and Rebekah’s decision. Not the editor’s, incidentally.
Jay  Can you at least assist us with the timing of this call? We know that there was a later call relating to the letter to the mother of the soldier who died in Afghanistan. We’re talking about an earlier conversation, if it took place.
Mandelson  There would have been a number of — I mean, Gordon did not hold back in talking to Rupert Murdoch. He did telephone him, he had every right to do so, and when he thought that he was being traduced, as he did, by the Sun, he wanted to give vent to his feelings about that. I mean, who can blame him in the circumstances? Personally, I think it is better to go to editors rather than proprietors, but he did have a good relationship with Rupert and he invoked that friendship.

Rupert Murdoch has just tweeted that he is not backing down:

Given that as well as denying making any such call, Gordon denied all knowledge of what Ed Balls, Charlie Whelan and Damian McBride did on his behalf, Guido knows who he believes...

See also: Cabinet Office Statement Does Not Clear Brown


  1. 1
    Init says:

    What you got say about that Gordon eh?

  2. 2
    jaded48 says:

    Mandelson or Brown as the bigger liar? There’s a hard decision.

  3. 3

    It’s not that Gordon never told the truth.

    He had no idea of what it was.

  4. 4
    Fuct says:

    Brown would be happy in the nick. Especially in the shooers ;-)

    Ben Doon and Phil McCavity indeed !

  5. 5
    Mad, Bad & Dangerous Gordon McRuin ( Member in absentia ) says:

    To the tune ‘Tragedy’ by the Bee Gees, I give you ‘Perjury’ by the GBs…

    Here I lie
    In a strange, unfriendly part of town
    Held in time
    In a world of tears, my name is Gordon Brown
    Goin home
    I just can’t take it all alone
    I really should be governing you
    Boring you
    Taxing you, taxing you…..

    When the feelings gone and you can’t go on
    It’s PERJURY !
    When you’re voted out and you don’t know why
    It’s hard to bear
    With no-one to love you you’re
    Goin nowhere
    When you lose control and you’re under Oath,
    It’s PERJURY !
    When the Country’s fcuked and you don’t know why
    Its hard to bear
    With no-one to love you you’re
    Goin nowhere…..

  6. 6
    Rory Bremner up to his old tricks says:


  7. 7
    RED ED - SON OF BROWN says:

    Oh, fuck !

  8. 8
    Expat Geordie says:

    Pissed myself laughing at that one.

  9. 9
    Init says:


  10. 10
    Tom Fatson says:


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    the whole world and his wife says:

    You know when he’s lying, his jaw drops.

  12. 12
    annette curton says:

    “I stand by every word is aid” [sic] at Leveson, I think that goes for the lot of ‘em.

  13. 13
    Anyone for wiff waff? says:

    score draw

  14. 14

    Careful. He will go out and buy a million copies in a week to hit the top spot and then bill us with it all.

  15. 15

    And the penalty for lying under oath to a UK court is …

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    Anonymous says:

    “If you have been watching BBC news or reading the Guardian you would think that Brown’s testimony was proven and Rupert Murdoch had made up the whole claim about Brown “declaring war”

    It didn’t even register on their radar, let alone get a mention. Where do you have to go to get uncensored news in the MSM these days ffs?

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    Creep monitor says:

    well one of thems lying and I cannot see any reason why murdoch would make up such an extraordinary claim…what posible motive would he have to do so ?

  18. 18
    Fish says:

    As posted on your ‘..Brown’s Witnesses’ post, GF, three days ago! Mandleson’s evidence has been there for the MSM to cross reference all the time. IF THEY WANTED TO.

    Fish says:
    June 12, 2012 at 3:09 pm
    Page 75, Line 1 onwards.


    Mandelson’s account differs significantly from Brown’s both in his book and in his testimony. The BBC never reported Mandleson’s appearance in its news bulletins.

    Brown was ‘stunned’ by the decision of Murdoch to switch sides – which is not what Brown would have had you believe yesterday.

    Page 76, Line 9 onwards, Mandleson does clearly refer to that phone call and it’s not the one that the witness statements that GF has dug out, refer to.

    Later in Mandleson’s evidence Murdoch is clearly not happy with the ‘declaration of war’.

    None of HM Press (or the BBC) have attempted to cross reference this evidence to help the reader / viewer form a judgement. No wonder their days are numbered.

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    genghiz the kahn says:

    bore draw.

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    nokia alert says:

    Er, it’s not that extraordinary given Gordon’s previous is it?

  21. 21
    gramma says:

    Fitch downgrades Nokia shares to junk.
    Was Gordon their most infamous user?

  22. 22
    annette curton says:

    Diminishes according to your rank,

  23. 23
    The BBC are cunts says:

    Look over there, look !!!!! Shouldn’t you all be watching the footy ???

  24. 24
    Anonymous says:

    A more relevant question would be, who’s better at lying?

  25. 25
    Fish says:

    Surely 2-1

    Murdoch’s Version: 2 (Murdoch, Mandleson (OG))
    Brown’s Version: 1 (Brown)

    On second thoughts Mandleson’s winner might not necessarily have been an own goal !

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    Anonymous says:

    I hardly see this as a smoking gun. Mandy says himself that, “I assume that there was the call..”. He has no knowledge that the call was made. Unless Rupe’s taped the call then its a stalemate and with the lefty BBC, C4, Guardian etc lining up behind anyone who opposes Murdoch then I expect that Brown’s version is the one that’ll gain traction.

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    UKIP.I.AM says:

    I would say the BBC is the biggest liar.


    “Phone records suggest no Brown ‘war’ call to Murdoch”

    It suggests no such thing. It merely proves there now exists no documented call from Downing Street or via the usual channels. Brown says he would have made the call via Downing Street even via a mobile phone because he didn’t know Murdoch’s number. Yet from what I am led to believe about mobile phones they have ways of storing such numbers.

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    Selohesra says:

    Or in the words of the Queen song “Gordons aliar”

  29. 29
    nellnewman says:

    gordon is an absolute disgrace, failed chancellor, failed pm, failed mp and now an utterly failed ex pm.

  30. 30
    UKIP.I.AM says:

    I dare Guido to quote what Mandy has said in Sunday’s paper.

  31. 31
    UKIP.I.AM says:

    If he isn’t beaten to it of course.

  32. 32
    Cruel and Unusual Punishments says:

    Let’s tar and feather them while we wait, + Bliar and Merv, – and Camertwat if he doesn’t soon wake up!

  33. 33
    lost causes says:

    getting the sharp end of the sword of truth ?

  34. 34
    UKIP.I.AM says:

    Wot no footie? Thunder and lightning. Global Warming gone mad. Haha!

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    Legal beagle says:

    As usual you use Murdoch smearing tactics Guido

    I do not like Brown either, but

    There is no proof about the date

    Or the exact content of the telephone call

    So do stop your unfounded smearing, please, and stay with facts

  36. 36
    More of the transcript...... says:

    Q. Why did he want you to have dinner with him, or meet him, at least?

    A. I think he wanted to — and he did — give me his views on the fact, as he saw it, that the government had declared war on his company, as he put it to me.

    Q. But where did he get the idea from that the government had declared war on his company, Lord Mandelson?

    A. Well, possibly by what I had said, if I had said it by then, on the Today programme and in the House of Lords.

    Q. Right.

    A. But I’m — I don’t think there’s any great secret that the government and the Prime Minister were unhappy that suddenly, after all those years of support from the Sun, that the Sun was now gunning for us. I don’t think it’s a great secret that people felt unhappy.

    Q. You’d never used the words “declare war on News International”, had you?

    A. Certainly not.

    Q. Someone else had, though, to your knowledge, Lord Mandelson, hadn’t they?

    A. I don’t know for sure whether they had used those words. All I know is that when I saw Mr Murdoch he was quite agitated —

    Q. Yes.

    A. — as he put it, that the government had declared war on his company.

    Q. And you didn’t have any idea where he got that notion from; is that it?

    A. Well, as I said, he might have got that notion from what I had said publicly. I didn’t say anything behind his back. I expressed my views quite straightforwardly.

    Q. But I suppose, apart from issues of credibility, which may or may not in the end be resolved, it’s relevant to this extent: it would be all the more reason, I suppose, for News International to want a Conservative government at the election which, of course, was going to take place in May 2010.

    A. Yes.

    Q. So it throws light on that, doesn’t it?

    A. You could say: here we were, history repeating itself, and we were back to the sort of, you know, late 1980s, early 1990s, at war with the Murdoch empire. It’s not something that I would have sought or wished for, but there we are. They decided to withdraw their support.There was nothing that we could do about it at that stage. We had to live with it. As it happens, in my view, it meant a darn sight less to us in 2010 than it had been in 1997. In my view — and I think frankly people exaggerated the role of the Sun in 1997 and said so at the time, but nonetheless, I think by 2010 their influence had further receded and my view was, you know, shrug it off. Don’t dignify them with tears, crocodile or otherwise. Just
    get on with life, get on with business, get on with government, fight the election hard, and if they want to go for us, let them do so.

  37. 37
    The Last Quango in Paris says:

    Presumably GB can clear his name by handing over his mobile bill to show that he did not call RM and I bet RM has a log of the call.

    GB doesnt pick wise battles IMO.

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    The Great MacDongitall says:

    Twa’ in tha’ yar’ of 2012
    Whan Liar Broon
    Cam’ too soon
    And sent haemsel’ doon!

  40. 40
    Backwoodsman says:

    Does that mean writing a thesis on The History of The Scottish Labour Party, may not be the best training for any of the above jobs ?

  41. 41
    The Last Quango in Paris says:

    PS – has GB denied phoning RB and going nuts?

  42. 42

    Like James Gordon Brown stayed with the facts.

    Perhaps you meant to say…?

  43. 43
    UKIP.I.AM says:

    And if it was being televised by the BBC they would now be showing the 1986 Test Match between England and the West Indies from Headingley.

  44. 44
    Le Monde correspondent says:

    Interesting that Rebekah Brooks was charged yesterday with her husband for obstruction of justice


    Not mentioned here on Guido’s blog, of course

  45. 45
    UKIP.I.AM says:

    The BBC has no problem with twisting the facts and they are paid for by us.

  46. 46
    UKIP.I.AM says:

    I do hope RM has a record of the call. That would make my year.

  47. 47
    Legal beagle says:

    There are facts in this case

    Or do you deny that facts exist?

    In which case, continue on your own fantasy planet…

  48. 48
    Aydodge E. Scheisster QC says:

    Someone tell Mandelson– like a good criminal brief, maybe?– that you don’t volunteer an answer. You wait until Counsel has finished the question, and then you answer, or else ask him to rep*eat it whilst you’re vamping for time coming up with a porky. “And the interesting thing about the call…””Actually, I was gonna ask you if there WAS a call…” Now you see, you’ve boxed yourself in; now you can’t say “I ASSUME there was a call,” it sounds silly right after what you just said. (“assume = ass+u+me,” remember that one from school?) Work on it, Mandy, just in case you may be called to give evidence about a lot more things, a lot more often, a lot sooner than you think. Wouldn’t want you looking too silly doing it.

  49. 49
    The Ghost of Bob Maxwell says:

    Very good!

    The ghost of Robin Gibb here approves heartily.

  50. 50
    Legal beagle says:

    I do not defend the BBC which I believe should be broken up on competition grounds

    BUT if anyone wants to deal seriously with all these problems, they should stay with the FACTS

  51. 51
    UKIP.I.AM says:

    At least now we know what a Highland fling is.

  52. 52
    Goldman Sachs Director found guilty says:

    Interesting that a Goldman Sachs DIRECTOR is foudn gulity on four counts of insider trading

    On top of their multiple fines for multiple other offences ($500 million for fraud etc), this should be a lesson for everyone about how they operate

  53. 53
    Fish says:


    And anyway, this call would have been on Labour Party business, not Governnment business. An ‘official Downing Street call’ would therefore have been entirely inappropriate.

  54. 54
    Aunty Matter says:

    Did anyone else hear Ed Testicles on Radio 5 this morning? He was allowed to spout for 5 minutes solid with not one interruption or question.

    BBC bias at its best.

  55. 55
    The Ghost of Bob Maxwell says:

    If old Rupe didn’t have a recording of that conversation then I’m the Flying Dutchman.

    He’s just biding his time, rocking back and forth and chuckling to himself.

  56. 56

    Bit touchy for a legal beagle, aren’t we?

    Of course there are facts in this case. There are facts throughout Brown’s entire premiership. Some of these have to do with this issue directly. Some indirectly. Some not at all.

    But if he told a lie in another context, then we would be justified in considering this when looking at that evidence which is directly connected.

    Back to you.

  57. 57
    Madoff Mandelson says:

    You must believe every word I say

    Like micro Guido

    I have never told a lie

    Blair, Brown and I just ran the biggest Ponzi scheme in British history and destroyed the finances of the country

    Believe me, please…

  58. 58
    Terrible But True says:


    “Phone records suggest no Brown ‘war’ call to Murdoch”

    So… a ‘suggestion’ vs. actual testimony. None so blind…

    Amazing what £3,600,000,000 per annum buys you, and no refunds.

    Plus of course that world beating trust thing.

  59. 59
    UKIP.I.AM says:

    And the facts are that Mandelson has admitted that there was a call between Brown and Murdoch (about the Sun’s change to the Tories). Totally contradicting Brown’s evidence on oath. That is two against one so far.

    Besides which it is only human nature that someone in Brown’s position would be hecked off by such a change and express his opinion at the first opportunity. He may have not had a rant about it but to deny such a call took place is an insult to anyone’s intelligence. Only cloud-cuckoos would believe Brown’s version of events.

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    The Ghost of Bob Maxwell says:

    No. Not bias at all.

    Ed has a secret weapon – his eyeballs.

    He mesmerizes his prey by rapidly blinking and they fall into a stupor, unable to pose any questions or counter his ridiculous arguments.

    If they are very unlucky Ed might interfere with them in a thoroughly unpleasant way before they come round.

    Aftewards the victims can remember nothing of this hideous phsycic attack.

  61. 61
    UKIP.I.AM says:

    Maybe waiting for the perfect timing. Heehee.

  62. 62
    Sir William Waad says:

    But the Cabinet Office says that it has no record of Mr Brown’s call to Mr Murdoch. But then (a) he might have called on his personal mobile (b) the Cabinet Office might have lost any record of it or (c) the Cabinet Office might be lying.

    Let’s consider what is most likely. Is it likely that Brown would give permission for the story about his disabled child? No. He’s probably telling the truth and Murdoch is probably lying. Is it likely that Brown would NOT react to the Murdoch press dumping him by calling Rupe and growling at him? No. Brown is probably lying about that.

  63. 63
    Mike Hunt says:

    “absence of evidence is not evidence of absence”

  64. 64

    Disagree again.

    The public are paying for this service by coercion. Thereby they have a right to either support the idea of a BBC or to reject it.

    They don’t have to conform with your narrow view of life. They can be entirely bigoted if they wish. That is because they are paying.

    Agree that I would prefer to stick to the facts as well. Unfortunately, facts can be so misleading, where rumours, true or false, are often revealing.

  65. 65
    UKIP.I.AM says:

    Mandelson had no reason to lie. He probably had no idea at the time how much he was putting Brown in the brown stuff. And if Brown was lying over that what else has he been lying about?

  66. 66
    A Syrian says:

    This is really fascinating and important.

  67. 67

    It is not as if any evidence in the Blair/Brown years was shredded, or otherwise destroyed, is it?

  68. 68
    jgm2 says:

    ‘The History of The Scottish Labour Party’.

    I prefer Alex Salmond’s version.

  69. 69
    Pox News says:

    “Guido knows who he believes…”

    As does every sane person.

  70. 70
    UKIP.I.AM says:

    Don’t tell me he lied about making phone calls and then denied he ever made them on oath? Anyone who does that deserves a jail sentence.

  71. 71
    UKIP.I.AM says:

    And it should be a lesson how Labour MPs operate.

  72. 72
    The Bolshevik Broadcasting Commune says:

    Radio Five’s audience figures, Friday 15th January 2012.

    Total listeners: 1. (you).

  73. 73
    Tony Blair says:

    I believe in the almighty one. That’s me that is.

  74. 74
    Legal beagle says:

    False rumours amount smearing in any reasonable person’s book

    Something the tabloid press is expert in…

    I remember Guido rightly and violently reacting against smearing…do you?

    But if you (or he) want to indulge in generalised smearing, then there is no point in even discussing anything with you…

  75. 75
    Adge Cutler says:

    ‘Ark at ‘ee, Mandy
    ‘Tis a tale I ‘eard
    Tother mornin’ at the old White Lion
    Ver’ nigh word for word
    ‘Ark at ‘ee, Mandy
    True as it can be
    Old Dan’l Windle told I
    And e’s a bigger liar than thee!

  76. 76

    True, it does not automatically rate him as a brilliant chancellor, fully in touch with every aspect of national and international finances. How the world managed to look upon him as a guru is about as improbable as Hitler leading the German speaking peoples. But in both cases, it happened.

  77. 77
    Madoff Mandelson says:

    Of course I knew how much I was putting Brown in the brown stuff

    I fought Brown on Tony’s behalf for years

    And I even called Brown mentally unbalanced

    Are you that naive?

  78. 78
    The Paragnostic says:

    Especially if said thesis takes one eleven years to finish…

  79. 79
    Popeye says:

    He said, she said, no I didn’t! This is the Leveson Inquest, nothing but a load of gossip and here say or innuendo.
    I’m pissed off with all of it and how much is it costing us tax payers?

  80. 80
    Garden Room Girl says:

    Brown called Murdoch in November according to the Cabinet Office records

    Probably on a damaged Nokia

    Both Brown and Murdoch are crooks in any case

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    jgm2 says:

    And if Brown was lying over that what else has he been lying about?

    Brown lies about everything. Most folk will tell an occasional lie if it gets ‘em out of a difficult situation. Brown lies compulsively. He’s not just a stranger to the truth – he’s an active enemy of the truth.

    He’s like half a dozen Viz characters rolled into one.

    He’s Spoiled Bastard, Terry Fuckwit, Roger Irrelevant and Arnold Prior all mashed into one horrible individual.

  82. 82
    Charlie Brooks, Chairman of the Heythrop Hunt Balls says:

    Guido was paid by Murdoch in his yuff

    And now by a neo-pornographer version of Murdoch

    He has form, as we say on the race course..

  83. 83
    Eddie says:

    Has Gordon gone back to work yet?

  84. 84

    …if you (or he) want to indulge in generalised smearing…

    If that were the case, then neither my word (or his) would be worth listening to.

    But your condition is not met. In fact, your reply amounts to a general smear in itself. There is a word for that, which I will not use, to keep this polite.

    You don’t work in the legal profession, despite your moniker, do you?

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    Gillian Duffy says:


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    The Paragnostic says:


    There are contingent truths, and essentially imperfect recollections, but given that the monocular mentalist has a notoriously slim grasp of reality, one would be foolish to give his version of events any more weight than the ravings of a schizophrenic swilling Buckfast on a park bench.

    Given Brown’s widely reported temper and equally widely reported tendency to bully, it seems likely that he did in fact make the statements attributed to him, and should be tried for perjury and sent to the Bar-L as soon as possible.

  87. 87
    jgm2 says:

    No thanks. It’s galling that we’re paying him 60K+ per year PLUS expenses PLUS security cover for doing fuck all but it’s still a damn sight cheaper by a factor of millions than having him as PM or chancellor.

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    Fish says:

    I do hope RM has a record of the call…

    ….and Brown’s invited into a radio studio to have it played to him. Sounf familiar!

  89. 89

    It was never published in any part or form as far as I can tell.

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    jgm2 says:

    Have we forgotten the cancelled election? Hire Limousines circling the block. Leaflets printed up all ready for a snap election.

    And then Brown bottled it on the strength of one conference speech by Cameron.

    Then denied there was any snap election planned at all. Do you not remember that?

    Brown is a liar. It is not possible to ‘smear’ a liar by calling him a liar.

  91. 91
    The Paragnostic says:

    My favourite (though he only lasted a few issues) was Bertie Blunt.

    His parrot was a …

  92. 92
    jgm2 says:

    PhDs are normally only ‘published’ as a set of two. One held by the awarding institute and another for the shelf at home.

  93. 93

    Yes, jgm2.

    But they often become the basis for further publications with whole chunks lifted out.

    I have no objection with that, myself.

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    Aunty Matter says:

    In fairness I was having a shit at the time, so couldn’t get to the channel button to flick to Talksport.

  95. 95

    Mandy affirms a phone call that Gordon denies he made and you see no smoking gun? There’s none so blind….

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    Elo, Elo, Elo What's all this then? says:

    Look this is EASILY RESOLVED – There WILL EXIST PHONE RECORDS -for both landlines and mobile calls. The police can access these records in the investigation of serious crime. Perjury is a serious crime usually resulting in prison (ask Chris Hune!) All it needs is someone to make a complaint to the police that a crime has been committed.

  97. 97

    That never stopped Gordon from using The offices of State for party-political purposes.

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    Aunty Matter says:

    By work do you mean fucking up the economy of England?

  100. 100
    Expat Geordie says:

    We can get Brian Blessed to scream it from the roof tops.

  101. 101
    Expat Geordie says:

    Would that be the pork sword of truth in the showers at the Scrubs?

  102. 102

    Both the BBC and the Guardian homogenise the news so’s their clientele don’t have to struggle with cognitive dissonance. It’s a public service really.

  103. 103
    Tony and Cherie says:

    We always said he was nuts.

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    Catnip says:

    I think we can take it as a given that Legal beagle is ultra vires.

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    Anyone for wiff waff? says:

    Brown is a liar, Blair is a liar, Mandelson is a liar, Clegg is a liar, Cameron is a liar, Hunt is a liar………

    It seems some sort of pattern is emerging.

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    If you are so concerned , go out there yourself says:

    Honestly? I couldn’t care less about Syria or Syrians. Let the ME zoo sort itself out, it’s none of our concern.

  107. 107
    Anyone for wiff waff? says:

    “neo pornographer” – don’t think so.

    Joo boy Dessie has been publishing this stuff for 20 years.

  108. 108
    Tesco is fucking the country says:

    An even more relevant question. Anonymous, is why don’t you fuck off?

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    Expat Geordie says:

    It is amazing that a people as sophisticated as the Germans fell for Adolf, an Austrian, who most Germans regard as country bumpkins. Can you imagine us following Churchill if he was a Wurzel? OH Ah We shall fight zem on the beaches, moi luvver!

    Remember, we never voted for Brown as PM. He was imposed on us by a Labour Party dominated by tribalist, retarded Scots. (And wasn’t the lead singer of the Wurzels actually Scottish?)

  110. 110
    The Lord Pescott says:

    Me, I like nuts – as well as chipolatas, butties, Mars bars, pizza, burgers, chips, chips and chips.

  111. 111
    Jen The Blue says:

    Surely since Gordon Brown denied that he had ever authorised briefing against Blair we know his word is not to be trusted?

  112. 112
    Jimmy says:

    I stand by every word is aid at Leveson.—
    Rupert Murdoch (@rupertmurdoch) June 15, 2012

    What did I say at Leveson?.—
    Rupert Murdoch (@rupertmurdoch) June 16, 2012

    Was I at Leveson?—
    Rupert Murdoch (@rupertmurdoch) June 17, 2012

    Who’s Leveson?—
    Rupert Murdoch (@rupertmurdoch) June 18, 2012

  113. 113
    Expat Geordie says:

    It was 1984. I was there on a school trip as a 14 year old. It’s hard to be rácíst when your first encounter with someone who wasn’t white was when someone in the crowd passes you a bottle of rum.

  114. 114
    You turn if you want to, the lady is not for turning says:

    Cameron won’t change. What you see is what you get, a rather lefty, meterosexual, empty, principle free zone, PR hack.

  115. 115
    The Dirty Rat says:

    He has the same eye condition as Mart Feldman. http://tinyurl.com/bwkmmx3
    It cannot be cured and will end with one or both of his eyes exploding into a ball of fat and other matter.

  116. 116
    Boardwalk Empire says:

    Now if it was called
    “The decline and fall of the Scottish Labour Party ( foreword by Steven Purcell)” then that would be an interesting read.

  117. 117
    Tower Hamlets voter says:

    If I had as many skeletons in my closet as Gordon I’d been pretty keen on muzzling the press too.

    Ironic isn’t it that the very week our rulers give themselves more power to hack members of the public they are squeeking about our traditional right to spy on them via a raucous unregulated press.

    Think how happy they’ll be to have a European style press constrained to re writing government press releases.

  118. 118
    Jimmy says:

    “If you have been watching BBC news or reading the Guardian you would think that Brown’s testimony was proven and Rupert Murdoch had made up the whole claim about Brown “declaring war”. ”

    Or indeed if you any sort of functioning central nervous system.

  119. 119
    You turn if you want to, the lady is not for turning says:

    Russia Today is less biased than the useless BBC and they cover things the BBC pointedly ignore.

  120. 120
    Bigot Watch says:

    The Labour Goverment consisted of 75% english and you describe it as being dominated by Scots. By Christ your arithmetic is poor .

  121. 121

    You are indeed correct. But I was comparing, not his rise to PM but his being regarded as a guru and comparing that fantasy with Hitler’s rise which was all very real.

    The question that begs, in turn, is who were these adoring financial disciples?

    Fred the Shed was one. Not even a proper banker but an accountant.

  122. 122

    Do you have any proof that Brown had a functioning central nervous system similar to that of a human being?

  123. 123
    If it was anyone else says:

    Mandlesons testimony provides corroboration of Murdochs claim. True its verasity and reliability has still to be tested but thats what we have Police Investigations and court cases for.
    As it stands and taking these two sources of evidence together Brown can now legally be held to be a suspect for perjury.

  124. 124
    Well it's a thought says:

    Jimmy after Liebours WMD, Browns private pension heist, Browns repeated announcements of the same announcement, Browns gold, Browns “investment”, Browns appearance as an MP at Westminster, I think I will reluctantly stick on the Murdoch side, as they might say Brown has form for saying things that sometimes could be taken as lieing.

  125. 125
    Its not Scots but maybe its from... says:

    Beowulf ?

  126. 126
    Anonymous says:

    Jeez, does this prick have a go at every ‘Anonymous’ ffs? What a tosser!

    A perfectly reasonable question to ask is, are you still on the fucking meds?

  127. 127
    Richard Stilgoe says:

    You lot love your little ditties don’t you? I might make a comeback.

  128. 128
    Chingrinner Memorial Committee says:

    a well honed recidivist one might suggest

  129. 129

    May I call the attention of the Noble knight to the fact that at the time Mr. Cameron was getting a lot of sympathy over the death of his handicapped son, Gordon’s own sad loss became news once more? Who stirred that one up?

  130. 130

    And you’ve just backed another loser, as we say in the betting shop.

  131. 131
  132. 132
    mrs duffy says:

    Hahahahahaha…..Gordon Brown never instructed Damien McBride or Tom Watson to brief against anybody!

    Jimmy you’re such a cuпt.

  133. 133
    Chingrinner Memorial Committee says:

    oh the joy

  134. 134

    The nearest Gordon ever came to the truth was, “0 % growth.”

  135. 135
    If it was anyone else says:

    As I said earlier there is reasonable cause to suspect Brown may have comitted perjury as we have coroborated evidence from two sources which directly contradict his evidence Now it may prove that either or both of these sources are unreliable and Brown has indeed been truthful but whatever the facts they can now onlybe established by a proper Police investigation .

  136. 136
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Will Sarah Brown be able to live with herself if she knows Gordon has lied.

  137. 137
    Well it's a thought says:

    Fame and fortune I believe has a heady mix for some women, so Iv’e heard. :-)

  138. 138
    lost causes says:

    I bet NI execs were lined up with planks strapped on their bums to shaft mandy and his great leader if at all possible..just a shame they didn’t start earlier in the 13 year cycle.

  139. 139
    I don't need no doctor says:

    What’s good for the huhne is good for the loon.

  140. 140
    Peter Cook says:

    Default judgment awarded against Legal beagle.

    *bangs gavel*

  141. 141
    Useful Idiot says:

    Mandelson and Murdoch are fellow J-e-w-s

    What else do you expect other than collusion?

  142. 142
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Where is the moral compass when you need it?

  143. 143
    Jake Thackray says:

    Piss off Stilgoe, I was always funnier

  144. 144
    D A Ridgely says:

    When Ludwig Wittgenstein returned to Cambridge in 1929, they simply accepted his Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus as a doctoral thesis.

  145. 145
  146. 146
    marty feldman eyes says:

    Isnt that Ozil?

  147. 147
    Richard Stilgoe says:

    Except you’re dead Jake, remember?

  148. 148
    Engineer says:

    The Cabinet Office have confirmed that only one LOGGED call was made from Brown to Murdoch in 2010, in November (I think). That would be through official means. It doesn’t necessarily mean that Brown didn’t call Murdoch at some other time using private communication means, which would presumably not be logged (c.f. Michael Gove).

    Either Murdoch or Brown are being – er – ‘economical with the actualité’ as a former senior civil servant once said in different circumstances. Given that Brown’s recollection of his henchmen’s activities at various times differs from everybody else’s, there is cause to believe that Brown is capable of selective memory, to put it politely. So far at least, we have no such similar ‘evidence’ to pin on Murdoch.

  149. 149
    Another useful idiot says:

    Irwin Stelzer is/was Murdoch’s grey cardinal, just as Keith Joseph was Thatcher’s….look them up on Wiki….do you note any affiliations? (not including Thatcher btw as she was just not very bright)

  150. 150
    Engineer says:

    It’s a bit like the Holy Grail. It has been sought for many years, so far unsuccessfully.

  151. 151
    Gordon 'Paranoid' Brown says:

    I told ye they were ahll out tae get me, the noo!

  152. 152
    Tay King-dePisse says:

    As if Gordon needed to do so and as if they would need to be instructed. Those two probably told Gordon they were going to do it and he probably winked with the good eye.

  153. 153
    Well it's a thought says:

    Probably pointing the wrong way because it will only point the right way when a person has morals, most politicians and hangers on can’t spell morals it’s a word that’s not heard very often in political circles.

  154. 154
    Custer's bootboy says:

    You have to admire a man who can take his stand every time on losing ground.

    Jimmy is consistent.

  155. 155
    Gordonian Knot says:

    Gordon thought he had dutifully served his Trotskyite, libertarian, free-market, anarchistic masters that he worked for when bailing out the very foundations of the capitalist system i.e. the banks (thereby ensuring that the profits had been successfully privatised and that the losses were efficiently socialised via the bailout). Small wonder he feels hard done by and lashing out against those he thought were his allies.

  156. 156
    Expat Geordie says:

    Or Brown’s announcement that 1000 troops were being withdrawn from Iraq after they had already left? What was he going to do, bring them back so that he could send them home again?

  157. 157
    grobdj says:

    Perjury/perverting the course of justice trials, are all just extra paydays for the lawyers, what purpose do they serve?

    If someone lies in court (as the guilty defendant does when he says I never did it guv), then it is up to the defence or prosecution to prove they are lying, and the jury’s decision provides delivey of justice.

    If a conspiracy of lies is later uncovered, then the original offence can be revisited, (implicating the participants as appropriate) since we no longer have a double jeopardy law

    (Having spent time on jury service, I am amazed at the amount of court time lawyers will spend arguing over what can and what cannot be presented to the jury as evidence)

    Whilst I have little sympathy for Chris Huhne or Rebeka Brooks, there is a Neaderthal streak in our justice profession, which is blind to the hypocrisy of prosecuting liars in court, whilst entertaining liars at Leveson.

  158. 158
    Tooth fairy says:

    Previously I have reported MP’s for crimes alleged but the Commissioner just ignored these.

    I have now asked my MP to do so…. but I reckon he will butt out too… we’ll see. The point being that there seems no point in us ‘little people’ even trying… the press should be doing this… why aren’t they?

  159. 159
    Gordon Mcmoron says:

    Yes that’s right, although I sat a few feet away from them in my No. 10 bunker, and we had lads nights in drinking beer and watching football, we never discussed such things. A person in my position would never do such a thing.

  160. 160
    Jethro says:

    114 +several.
    I’ve said it before, and, no doubt, I’ll say it again (and again…): he’s not a Conservative, let alone a Tory; he’s a Whig, in other words, an unprincipled rogue, interested only in power, its exercise, and the associated patronage (‘chumocracy'; ‘the Quad’); vacant, an intellectual and political void.

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  162. 162
    Anonymous says:

    Who was it who committed perjury recently then?

  163. 163
    Anonymous says:

    Gordon Brown = Perjured Liar.

  164. 164

    The subjective moral compass is neither moral nor a compass.

  165. 165
    humour the nutter says:

    “Trotskyite, libertarian, free-market, anarchistic masters”

    Fuck me, that is one hell of an oxymoron. Well done.

  166. 166

    Cockatoo Umbrella Native Timor?

  167. 167
    JH says:

    Aldridge Pryor.

    I know because I used to work at Viz. Actually I owned it. Pans people were my secretaries.

  168. 168
    Tristram Smallbore-ffipps says:

    Like anonymous I have read the exchange above and it fails to substantiate the headline. Do I believe Brown made the call? Yes. Is this any evidence of that call? No. It is evidence of a call being made with no evidence of the content. The problem with this type of journalism/blogging by Guido is that it puts him in the same class of credibility as many tabloid editors.

  169. 169
    In case you missed last night's Question Time says:

    Fireworks between Hitchens and Thornbelly.

  170. 170
    Tristram Smallbore-ffipps says:

    A much misquoted quote. It can be evidence of absence, albeit that it can be overridden by other evidence. As I have said elsewhere I believe Brown made the call – but this adds nothing to the case.

  171. 171
    Sweeny Todd says:

    That was the funniest part.

  172. 172
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Brown must be the only mafia boss that doesn’t know what’s going on around him.

  173. 173
    Tristram Smallbore-ffipps says:

    Cameron is not a Whig. Whigs have generally supported minorities against the Tory tendency (universal suffrage for ex) and are extreme free traders. Cameron would regard his own family as a minority who could be sold down the river for a cheap vote and would never let free trade get in the way of something more popular. Cameron is a principle free zone. As a traditional Whig I am offended to be compared to Cameron.

  174. 174
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Thornbelly is a fat evil spiteful malicious bitch. Well suited to labour.

  175. 175
    Tristram Smallbore-ffipps says:

    I do not think that the fucking meds – Viagra – would be of much use to a 9 year old from Chipping Sodbury.

  176. 176
    50 Calibre says:

    Since Gordon F Brown has gone for the perjury option during his evince to Leveson at the High Court, can he not be charged and tried for so doing?

    The happy outcome might be that the bastard gets locked up for a while. Convicted prisoners cannot be MPs, can they?

  177. 177
    widdywobbles says:

    That’s irony – right?

  178. 178
    confused says:

    the Scottish, lying, cyclops needs to be confronted with reality

  179. 179
    da judge says:

    Given the weight of evidence against McMoron as a serial liar, I believe Murdoch.

  180. 180
    Anonymous says:

    You should get out more Tristram.

  181. 181
    it must be good it's got a posh title says:

    As you do.

  182. 182
    CRMM's therapist says:

    You’ve been looking for that up the bums of rent boys for years. I’d give up now and just enjoy it.

  183. 183
    widdywobbles says:

    @elo – you mean Guido hasn’t made a complaint yet?

  184. 184
    jgm2 says:

    He’s just a wind-up merchant.

  185. 185
    jgm2 says:

    I am ashamed for my error.

    Pan’s people did the wallpapering in my son’s bedroom.

  186. 186
    Observer says:

    The clip is too short. Without being able to see the previous comment by Hitchens, it is not possible to judge if, as he says, her outrage is phoney or not.

  187. 187
    william says:

    Come in GCHQ,you have the evidence.

  188. 188
    I'm Anonymous and So's my Wife says:

    Calm down you c’unt

  189. 189
    Geoff, England (not Britain or 'United' KIngdom) says:

    Maybe it’s just as well that MacMental didn’t use his first name. As James Brown, he’d have been telling us, “I’m gonna stay on the scene, like a tax machine.”

  190. 190
    I don't need no doctor says:

    She is labour. Phoney, spite, hypocrisy, are all the qualities labour scum have in abudance.

  191. 191
    Gonk says:

    Quite so. I think we ought to pay him a million a year to sit on Rockall whittling
    phallic figures. Fucking bargain.

  192. 192
    Saffron says:

    Completely O/T in a way but I see that the Gorgon is now giving advice on what needs to be done to save the EUSSR funny money,where every economy is the feckin same.
    The man is a loony as far as economics goes,exactly what are his qualifications to preach this kind of (Lets get myself noticed economic crap to anyone who will listen to his inane ramblings).
    For my money a doctorate in the history of the jock labour party does not qualify you to be an expert in economics/running a country.
    As it turns out we to our regret are now suffering from his and his cohorts expertise in this field.
    As for the EUSSR/Euro,the outcome is clear,the markets will see an end to this PONZI scheme.

  193. 193
    Ian says:

  194. 194
    Sir Aston Martin says:

    What the hell is he talking about?

  195. 195

    Surely she is the casting director’s ideal of the archetypal, angry, fat, ugly, overbearing, neurotic, socialist woman.


  196. 196
    David Cameron says:

    Come on England !

  197. 197
    Biologist says:

    What’s it like for plankton living in Britain today?

  198. 198
    Sir Aston Martin says:

    I had a tractatectomy in 1987 because mine went septic.

  199. 199
    Sir Aston Martin says:

    That wasn’t rum, squire.

  200. 200
    Trahison des Clercs says:

    As there’s no double -jeopardy law anymore, repe”aled for one purpose , can this not be used to look at the murder of P.C. Blakelock? Ah yes, I thought not.

  201. 201
    the stench of hypocrisy says:

    She made out she was from an impoverished working class family when in reality her mum was a Labour mayor and her father,a professor, worked for the UN and NATO. She’s a barrister,married to a QC, owns a few properties and sent her kids to a selective school outside her constituency.

  202. 202
    Anonymous says:

    Piss off tat you mong.

  203. 203
    confused says:

    I’ve lost interest in the FA and team GB since they didn’t sign Harry

  204. 204
    Sir Aston Martin says:

    Good point. I could never understand this “Dark Lord” drivel being spouted about Mandelson, as if he’s some sort of evil genius stroking a white Persian … the bloke got CAUGHT, more than once, and only got away with it because — your guess is as good as mine.

    Just what does he know about Miranda?

  205. 205
    Anonymous says:

    Does he mean the Andy Carroll who scored a superb header?

  206. 206

    I hope you never reproduce as you children would be in grave danger of inheriting your genes.

  207. 207
    Jimmy says:

    Back to the economy.

    George and Dave accept that Labour are and were correct with their policies.

    Why else would they be following the Brown / Balls plan to the letter?


  208. 208

    5.6 The limits of my language mean the limits of my world.

  209. 209
    Gordon McMad says:

    Andy Murray’s header earns England six points!

  210. 210
    Gordon Brown says:

    I stand by everything I said at Leveson.

  211. 211
    Anonymous says:

    They’re fucking bonkers?

  212. 212
    Тасhуbaрtus says:

    Because, I suppose, an accident of birth has left them, sadly, at the top of what used to be the Conservative party.

  213. 213
    Gordon McMad says:

    Theo Kojack and Glen Wellbeck also did well.
    Scotland looking Good value.

  214. 214
    pick any mp you like says:

    I like men’s bottoms.

  215. 215

    “The man is a loony as far as economics goes,exactly what are his qualifications to preach this kind of (Lets get myself noticed economic crap to anyone who will listen to his inane ramblings).”

    Let’s not forget that Little George “Fiscal Fuckwit” Osborne’s most notable previous job was folding towels at Selfridges.

    If only he’d stuck to that ‘demanding’ role, the well-educated moron wouldn’t have conned himself into a position where he could increase VAT to 20% (then sit and wonder why High Street spending’s collapsed), increased fuel duty (then wonder why the economy’s tanked) and completely fucked-up the 2012 budget (all nicely unraveling).

    PR Spiv Camoron + Fiscal Fuckwit Gideon = National Disaster.

    Don’t take my word for it; look around you.

  216. 216
    Anonymous says:

    C U Next Tuesday.

  217. 217

    Ha ha! Changing the subject!

    You were talking about functioning central nervous systems, remember?

    How many pints of heavy have you consumed tonight? (I’m probably jealous of the reply.)

  218. 218
    Socialism is a Severe Mental Illness says:

    Yes, but who the fuck is she?

  219. 219
    Phil says:

    If I want uncensored news the last place I would look is the Guardian or the BBC.

  220. 220
    Jimmy says:

    The real Jimmy would never accuse bumface of following correct policy.

    Remember guidophiles are not bright and fake ids just confuse them.

  221. 221
    Socialism is a Severe Mental Illness says:

    She’s fat, old and ugly, so she’s probably a Socialist Feminist.

    She’s stupid and she’s achieved nothing in life, so it’s someone else’s fault.

    She’s ugly and other girls had more fun, so it’s someone else’s fault.

    Like all socialists and feminists, she’s a worthless piece of thick ugly shit.

  222. 222
    anonymous says:


    They are ALL in it together

    No matter which party

    How long will it take you fools to realise

    The population is expendeable to these people

    They don’t care whether you live or die

    All they want is your money and the POWER to do whatever THEY want

    Leveson is just another side show

  223. 223
    a picyure paints a thousand words says:

    Bollocks, creatures who don’t have language still possess consciousness, and if somehow that language is not present in a human being, the same would apply.

  224. 224
    g says:

    An annoying bitch who needs a good slapping for a start.

  225. 225

    No record of Gordon Brown making ‘war’ phone call to Rupert Murdoch

    Everyone here, apart from a certain gentleman, who hails from north of the border, will realise that statement categorically means that Brown phoned Murdoch.

    Call it experience, call it intuition, call it nous, call it alternative therapy, call it psychology, call it Reiki, call it what you will.

    We all know (except J—y. Bless.)

  226. 226

    OK. Those are the good points. Now give us the bad ones.

  227. 227

    Thanks be for that!

    I thought you had taken total leave of your senses.

  228. 228
    g says:

    He can certainly talk absolute bollocks like you Jimmy, and double space too (which is the sign of an idiot as anybody knows)

  229. 229

    By what authority can you claim they don’t have a language*?

    *In any sense of the term.

  230. 230
    Nobert Colon says:


  231. 231
    End of the world on Monday says:

    What a game!

  232. 232
    The Beard says:

  233. 233
    Gok Wan says:

    Very Miss Piggy darling, you need to lay off the lard.

  234. 234
    a picture paints a thousand words says:

    By what authority can you claim they do have a language?

  235. 235
    The Beard says:

    Greece is the word.

  236. 236
    99% says:

    Looking at the way all this has gone down we believe Gordon Brown is lying.

  237. 237
    Nostradamus says:

    Monday is the time.

  238. 238

    You don’t listen properly.

    You made a claim. I questioned it.

    That is not the same as a counter-claim.

  239. 239
    Central Office stooge says:

    According to Gordon, she’s very forgiving. Unlike the loon himself who is a vindictive bástárd.

  240. 240
    lost causes says:

    thats a very debateable contention given gordon’s performance

  241. 241
    Plato says:

    Our impression of Gordon Brown has been conditioned by the Murdoch press.
    That’s how powerful he is.

    Where are the facts?
    Where are the call records?

    Someone is lying.

  242. 242
    lost causes says:

    difficult to imagine why and indeed who decided he was a guru…his treasury tenure was shown up in the end to be debt driven having inherited a healthening economy and his premiership a complete joke…where did guru arise from all of that.

  243. 243
    annette curton says:

  244. 244
    a picture paints a thousand words says:

    I happen to believe that they do have a language, but it is a means of communication, not perception as such. Rather it is a specialised form of perception in animals and human beings.

  245. 245
    The Beard says:

    And the reason to mod was?

  246. 246
    Handycock Immigrant Trafficker says:

    Gordon is a great man, he personally did the asylum seeker deal with me when he was Chancellor, which has made me and my boys very very rich and turned Portsmouth into an immigrant city. Boaz.

  247. 247
    Fred Goodwin says:

    Don’t forget me and RBS Handy, we provided the money to your boys for all the development to house them. Jahbulon.

  248. 248
    David Cameron says:

    Love it when you bite soooo easy

  249. 249
    Jimmy says:

    The double spacing is simply a matter of consideration as I assume most guidophiles have caused severe damage to their eyesight.

  250. 250
    Betrand Russell says:

    Owen Knobhead on NN, what a wanker! Intro by numpty Austin Allegro Stratton.

    WTF !! Cnuts BBC!

  251. 251
    a great big guffaw says:

    Nothing to do with the bonkers one himself then?

  252. 252
    Betrand Russell says:

    Well was that it,a feckin’ typical NN stocking filler to finish the comedy show. It’s Al-Beeba’s little chipping away at the Tories, bit by bit and paying Owen Wanker to boot.


  253. 253
    Ed Balls - Shallow Chancer says:

    He has got form.

  254. 254
    A well deserved Bravo Zulu to the England Football squad says:

    can hardly believe it. Just as the BBC footnball experts were writing England off during the game I happened to observe and comment, No, this is not the England we have become used to over the last thirty years. They are trying hard to win and they are putting their all into this and they will win and they did. Reminds me of 66, they were not the best team in the tormanent but they were the most determined team.

    Well done lads

  255. 255
    3 across 5 letters says:

    Elgin is the Clue

  256. 256
    confused says:

    Sherlock speaks

  257. 257
    Aunty Matter says:

    Unlike the Oirish we’re still in it.

  258. 258
    confused says:

    Leveson’s problem is that he knows he is dealing with a bunch of lying arseholes

  259. 259
    annette curton says:

    Yeah, must be a bit of a problem for him, they have all got about as much credibility/integrity as a character in Eastenders, or Coronation Street on a bad day.

  260. 260
    confused says:

    the problem is that we couldn’t have a revolution in the streets to establish proper values because there would be so many rag heads joining in

  261. 261
    Gordon Brown, Saviour Of The World says:

    Emily Thornberry gives me the wood.
    (For that matter, ELIZA Thornberry gives me the wood, too!)

  262. 262
    Query says:

    The situation calls for Audacity?

  263. 263
    annette curton says:

    I was thinking of something more along the lines of terminal velocity.

  264. 264
    not a machine says:

    Wonder if England band will be doing a rendition of Boomtown Rats “tell my why I dont like mondays” mmm with no piano probebly wont work

    free too ,free too , rather a good game I thought . (see if it gets past Mr Pedant)

    I am trying to work what the consequences of the ruin , calling Italy and France default risk rather than denying it , any thing from a solid gold asteroid , to a massive oil discovery, could befall either or both of them….:)

  265. 265
    Tay King-dePisse (working the graveyard shift tonight) says:

    But at least with EastEnders, you know that the big bad Grant Mitchell, who spitefully mistreats his women, is actually a documentary filmmaker named Ross Kemp, whose wife punches him around. We all know the characters are unbelievable in the sense that they are not to be trusted qua characters on the show, and that they are unbelievable in the sense that nobody believes that, for the most part, the actors, or even regular people for that matter, behave like that in real life. Willing suspension of disbelief is required to enjoy TV drama like E-E or Corrie. It ought not be something encouraged for the watching of witnesses giving evidence at Leveson’s shindig. Here endeth the sermon.

  266. 266
    Just for you says:

  267. 267
    Just for you says:

    As do Al Jazeera (the Island in Arabic)

  268. 268
    Just for you says:

    That’s the worst throwaway line i have read this week…

  269. 269
    Just for you says:

    Arr, Jim lad, zippin zyder iz good fer yer.

  270. 270
    Just for you says:

    A tractor ectomy? Gordon had one of them at every week at PMQs.

  271. 271
    Just for you says:

    Nah, more like Werewolf.

  272. 272
    Just for you says:

    No records were made so nothing to shred. We got very bored in the waste management unit on the first floor.

  273. 273
    Legsy Leaven says:

    I knew one of the garden room girls once. Lovely lass with beautiful long legs that went all the way down to the floor.

  274. 274
    Jockey Pants says:

    Lame …

  275. 275
    Jockey Pants says:

    I say! The off switch is just over there >- >-> ->

  276. 276
    Jockey Pants says:

    … tormanent? You mean tournique I think.

  277. 277
    Jockey Pants says:

    Like they did for HM’s jubilee whatnot you mean?

  278. 278
    Dalek watch says:

    Oh Fcuk it, the Dalek’s loose again.

  279. 279

    Good. We are making some progress and are closer to agreement. The territory has shifted to a definition of perception. Specifically the part that is aware of one’s own self, which part is supposed to recognise the difference between humans and all other animals. Personally, I am not as convinced of this starkly black and white distinction but that we can put aside for a moment.

    When W wrote The limits of my language mean the limits of my world he was clearly spеaking in a self-referential way so that takes care of your point at 10:08. My quoting it was a feeble attempt at humour directed against the utter rascal at 9:24, whom you may know…

    However it is a wonderful area for study, being on the cusp of cognitive neuroscience and philosophy, and I found this YouTube of Barry Smith (the Birkbeck one) the other day which addresses the basics:

    Even better is Alok Jha: Consciousness, the hard problem? – Presentations (1/2), where Barry addresses the dilemma of study in this area. Here he is at his best, both in exposition and style. I have long admired his lucidity and clarity, having been privileged to spеak with him several times at conference over the years.

    You should see a link for this 30 minute item on the right panel but I will give the identifier, as I don’t think our host appreciates people posting multiple videos: 313yn0RY9QI

  280. 280
    Marmite says:

    Tessa Jowell made a Dame ffs! The ‘honours’ system has been devalued so much, even next door’s cat could be knighted for services to crapping in everyones garden. I give up!

  281. 281

    My cat would never do that, Marmite ;-)

  282. 282
    albacore says:

    “Suspension of disbelief is required”
    For sure, with the Parliaments that we’ve hired
    The prima donnas at this Inquiry
    Are Muppet Show, not Mrs Dale’s Diary

  283. 283

    Thanks for a useful vid. One day, in the next 800 years – when I have an odd spare moment, I am going to have to do this to at least parts of my collection of vinyl that I cannot otherwise source on mp3/flac etc.

  284. 284
    UKIP.I.AM says:

    That’s possibly right. That’s why he hired them. You don’t hire thugs if you don’t want them to behave like thugs. Brown said he didn’t ‘authorise’ them. The question Jay should have asked is ‘did you know what they were doing and tell them not to’.

  285. 285
    UKIP.I.AM says:

    Let’s face it. They were crap. Spain or Germany would have torn them apart. They could win though but they will need to do much better and have a lot of luck. One can always hope.

  286. 286
    UKIP.I.AM says:

    If Osborne and Cameron HAD followed Brownball’s policies we would now be up shit creek alongside Spain and Italy.

  287. 287
    anonymous says:

    you know this country is really fucked when gary barlow get a bloody royal award in the spuriously named honours list

  288. 288
    anonymous says:

    yet another example of how conservatives deal with a problem


    spend local residents money ….. on themselves ….. bastards

  289. 289
    Robert Mugabe and Goodluck Johnathan says:

    Sending some more of our undesirables for you to house Handy. You are a great man. Boaz.

  290. 290
    cold outside says:

    whatever happened to the plans to ‘recall MPs’??????

  291. 291
    Gordon Osborne says:

    Look, the only way to get an economy out of recession is to increase taxes, borrow more and spend more borrowed money on useless shite like wind farms the E ewe, international aid and HS2.

    You will thank me in the end.

  292. 292
    Got the Look says:

    I see Alastair Campbell gets the headlines for his diaries again

    What is it about this warc criminal the british media love so much?

  293. 293
    smart alick says:

    why is it that british people are so endearingly stupid tha they put up with a nazi government and complain about the weather all the time?

  294. 294
    windy says:

    They were lies to fob off the public

  295. 295
    HM Her Majesty says:

    I have no idea who you are talking about.

  296. 296
    HM Her Majesty says:

    She’s a crook. But presumably one with who knows about the doings of other crooks as yet unmasked.

  297. 297

    Gordon Brown warns of Greek chaos.

    If the Jonah curse still works, this may be the best news they have had.

  298. 298
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    “I WILL DESTROY YOU” said Gordon Brown ,

    To the British Economy

  299. 299
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    Mornin mate i trust your alps are in bloom

  300. 300

    It’s cracking weather down here at last. Going to *the site* tomorrow to work off my winter flab.

    Did you keep a copy of that variant of your moniker yesterday, just in case it happens again? It had non-Latin characters in it to evade the M*db*t.

    Hope you are good.

  301. 301
    bergen says:

    As a witness as to Brown’s veracity, may I suggest Cherie Blair QC who was reported as saying “well that’s a lie” within a journalist’s earshot during a Brown speech.

    I recall it gave rise to a good Blair joke to the effect that there was no chance of his wife running away with the fellow next door.

  302. 302
    Blair Waugh-Monger says:

    You are correct. Phone records WILL exist – just as soon as we’ve obliterated all trace of the incriminating calls.

  303. 303
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    Hi mate back when you could save all your monikers i had a list of over three hundred LoL
    i really liked it then because you could use a moniker that was topical to a specific thread
    but any moniker should do really
    but i would like to know why it was blocked and what the little shite put
    before blockinganyone they should t least check the computer id and give you a contact detail so you can discuss it

  304. 304
    Gordon Brown says:

    I circumcised the world with my moral compasses.

  305. 305

    I saw someone, about a week ago, post using your moniker and making disparaging remarks about Ρ*Α*U*L. I told him where to go but by then he had done the damage.

    Maybe it was the intern, maybe not. Himself knows you of old but who can say for the junior?

    They will say, with some justification, that they have not got time to read all the posts let alone investigate them so rough justice rules.

    I have kept a copy of your moniker which looks identical to the real thing but is constructed of alternative characters so, if you ever need it, make yourself known in your inimitable style.

    Meanwhile I shall go off and impersonate a petrol pump LOL!

  306. 306
    Well it's a thought says:

    He’s a good capitalist, he can see when he can make more money from his trash and has taken the opportunity or you could say he’s taken yet again the idiotic public in.

  307. 307
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    catch you late

  308. 308
    Hang The Bastards says:

    My understanding is that taping of phone calls With PMs was done.

    Brown is toast. Brown, Campbell et al are starting a fight they will loose. Finally we will get rid of these disgraceful people that have ruined the UK. well done Murdoch.

  309. 309
    Forkbender says:

    All this the same as Murdoch denying that he had rung T B’liar to ask him to hurry up going to war with Iraq, it is a case of who do you believe, with all half truths and down right lies that have been circulating. All phone calls to and from the various ministers, the various “advisors”, should now be recorded and if attempts are made to circumvent that the force of the law bought down on them, why should the politicos object, they want GCHQ to be able to access everyone else’s phone calld emails etc . If the above is adopted there will will not any of this selective memory, remembering things only favourable to themselves but conveniently forget everything unfavourable about themselves.

  310. 310
    fringe says:

    Britain loves comedians, especially those that tell unbelievable stories.
    Max Bygraves, Ronnie Corbett etc- Just look at the success of Oxbridge graduates and their Pythonesque humour. Little wonder that Blair. Brown and Campbell tried their hand at it too , and still do.
    Undoubtedly some fail with their storyline delivery. Not everybody can make a success with dead parrot jokes, and require arranging for a dead weapons expert to invoke their punchline.
    With Tone and Gord now floundering expect more of the same from Campbell to cover all their backsides. Diary revelations, from a depressed alcoholic panicking that they will all be dragged deeper into the mire sells failing newspapers.

  311. 311
    Gonk says:

    Whatevsss. Only a tribal catamite would regard anything a megalomaniac / bullying / psychologically flawed set of twins said with any belief at all.

  312. 312
  313. 313
    get a room ffs says:

    CRMM and MAD FRANKIE SPAZCOCK, order_order’s answer to Loose Women.

  314. 314
    Barbara W says:

    It was a scam, Your Maj.
    The trick was to make you think of ‘Coronation’ (as in ‘Coronation Street’) and lead you on from there. Word association, you see.

  315. 315

    I would like to nominate James Gordon Brown to undertake only the second tightrope walk over the roiling waters of the Niagra Falls. No tether required this time.

  316. 316
    Bill says:

    I presume brown will now be done for purjury or the enquiry will just be a kangaroo court.

  317. 317

    Irrumabo off, ibi est bonum conservus.

  318. 318
    Anonymous says:

    “All this the same as Murdoch denying that he had rung T B’liar to ask him to hurry up going to war with Iraq,”

    You really are deluded if you think Murdoch wielded such power. Stop living in a fantasy world of pantomime villains and get yourself a boyfriend, you fucking idiot.

  319. 319
    Gonk says:

    Lock and load.

  320. 320
    an offer i can refuse says:

    Hahahahahaha, CRMM, order_order’s to the God Father.

  321. 321
    Little Nick I-want-to-be-a prime-minister-when-I-grow-up Clegg says:

    Look at me, ma, I’m leader of the Braille Mad Sector !

  322. 322
    an offer i can refuse says:


  323. 323

    You appеar to have dropped your answer.

  324. 324
    Shakespeares Cat says:

    To mod, or not to mod, that is the question.

  325. 325
    Mrs Dale's biographer says:

    From 1954: “I’ve been rather woried about Jim lately”.

    Was she referring to Jimmy Brown that ex-PM fellow?

  326. 326
    Im A Plant says:

    I’m a plant

    where am I?

    what am I doing here?

  327. 327
    Slim Whitman's Indian (recalling) Love Song says:

    When I’m recalling you-oo oo oo oo oo oo
    Will you have vanished toooo oo oo oo oo

  328. 328
    Afghanistan Banana Stand says:

    No, there should be a tether.

    Around his neck.

  329. 329
    Shakespeares Cat says:

    This story about Murdoch pressing for war smells of strong bullshit. The kind of bullshit a left wing bullshitter extraordinaire would dream up on the bog. In fact I don’t believe I’ve seen so many bogey men lined up in one story. Murdoch, US Republicans and the Iraq war!

  330. 330
    Pinky Ponky? says:

    It can only be his aftershave smell

  331. 331
  332. 332
    The Paragnostic says:

    Personally, I reckon he should be made to ride his rocking horse over the Falls, while being pelted with Nokias and assailed with verbal bigotry.

    Maybe in tandem with Piers Moron.

  333. 333
    an offer i can refuse says:

    you’ll STFU if you know what’s good for you.

  334. 334
    Shakespeares Cat says:

    We got rid of the National Socialists in 2010, do keep up.

  335. 335
    Anonymous says:

    Looks like everybody did, including The Guardian, you wanker.


  336. 336
    Francis Maude says:

    Enoch Powell was born 100 years ago today.

    Just saying,chaps !

  337. 337
    Frank Sinatra says:

    I blame the ant.

  338. 338
    M says:

    DC summed up this enquiry a long time ago
    “we are all in it together”

  339. 339
    George Mallory says:

    Because it was there.

  340. 340

    June 16, 2012 at 9:34 am refers.

  341. 341
    Some Jokes Write Themselves says:

    Dunno– I can’t recall.

  342. 342
    Gary Barlow says:

    Give me an O
    Give me a B
    Give me an E

    What have I got?

  343. 343

    Now you’re *spеaking*!

  344. 344

    Rivers of Bloody Socialism.

  345. 345
    the white rabbit says:

    You’ve got a fertile imagination big boy, perhaps we could team up sometime?

  346. 346

    BTW Couple of interesting videos at 4:47 am above on Consciousness.

  347. 347
    Penfold says:

    Methinks it is time for McMental to be brought to book.

    Clearly he has perjured himself.

  348. 348
    The Ant says:

    You can read my memoirs in the Sunday Telegraph.

  349. 349
    an offer i can refuse says:

    I know, you twat.

  350. 350
    Arnie says:

    Try wrapping a damp tea-towel round your head.

  351. 351
    Rabbi Chaim Gunnar Kutsher-Dickov says:

    Maybe YOU should be circumcised, around your neck. I’ll do it as a public service; I’m a shochet and mashgiach as well as a mohel. Trust me, I know what I’m doing, boychik. You won’t feel a thing.

  352. 352
    Diamond Bob says:

    Reward for failure

  353. 353

    Junе 16, 2012 at 9:34 am refers.

  354. 354
    a pictiure paints a thousand words says:

    Thanks. I take it that we understand that reasoning by means of language is a marvelous tool, but shouldn’t be conflated to be the most overriding and important aspect of consciousness. In that respect LW was right to point to the limits of language, because in a very real sense LW chose language to be his world, so was by definition in the light of the above video, self limiting. Note the distinction between when we use language in the everyday world to communicate directly, and when we use it to reason as an a posteriori activity; and that is only the spoken word I’m referring to. I believe that our perception is much more wide ranging than that.

  355. 355
    Pretty Polly says:

    Give me an E
    Give me a U
    Give me a U

    And what have I got?

    I’ve got into Oxford

  356. 356
    an offer i can refuse says:

    June 16, 2012 at 10:11 am refers.

  357. 357
    Jake says:

    WTF? All he had done to save the economy???

  358. 358

    I am in full agreement with that but think people like Dennett* have even more to offer.

    He makes a comparison between consciousness and fame where all these competing elements jostle with each other and inevitably some get knocked out. I thought of that when Barry Smith talked about the toothache which disappеared.

    Unfortunately, I had not got to Dennett by the time I last met Smith but I would be most interested to get them together in discussion.

    Glad you appreciated the videos. I love this stuff but my education (or lack of such) sometimes lets me down.

    Consciousness Explained 1992
    Sweet Dreams 2005

  359. 359
    a picture paints a thousand words says:

    Thanks for the references, I haven’t got around to following them all up yet!

  360. 360
    Expat Geordie says:

    jgm2. That reminds me of Edward VII’s conversation with Lily Langtry.

    Edward: “Madam, I’ve spent enough on you to buy a battleship.”

    Lily: “Sir, you’ve put enough in me to float one.”

  361. 361
    urrrrr.... says:

    ….ruminations of the gardeners

  362. 362
    Expat Geordie says:

    Made my day when the paddies got knocked out. And I don’t even like football (or the Irish).

  363. 363
    Expat Geordie says:

    That record was bannedin some American states because it was about a high school shooting. The song title is actually a question and an answer, not just a question. The question from the police: “Tell me why?”. The answer, from the teenage girl who carried out the massacre: “I don’t like Mondays”.

    Still it is a more sensible answer than anything Gordon the Moron has given.

  364. 364

    Leaving John Locke aside (as under-labourer?), let me know when you have had a chance to look at the videos (I had mistakenly thought that your reference to the video was to both) and we can progress this further if you like.

  365. 365
    Beness says:

    If I recall rightly, Brown had a lot of coverage about the death of his baby. I never heard cameron bring up his loss.

  366. 366
    Edith Piaf says:

    I did it first, but my label didn’t release this English version, only French (Les trois cloches). I should have insisted. That I didn’t do so, I DO regret.

  367. 367
    Bill says:

    Leveson must investigate browns evidence and it’s lack of credibility.if he does not this is potentially a big scandal somebody should run with.
    Murdoch should go for it and bait brown for lying in court.
    If it is brushed under the carpet we know the lawyers are in the pocket of the labour party

  368. 368
    Anonymous says:

    Brown does that funny thing with his mouth. Never can trust him.

  369. 369
    Anonymous says:

    He’s a Labour cnut – he hates England.

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