June 5th, 2012

IPPR Advocate Crime Tracking App

Guido has often taken the left-wing iPPR think-tank to task for some of its craziest policy ideas, the never ending hyper-Keynesian fallacies it pumps out and for flogging access for cash in the past. So when they come out with a good idea it is a noteworthy shock.

They are advocating the nationwide adoption of a crime-tracking app to enable victims in to follow their case through the criminal justice system.

  • The courts, CPS and police should ensure that data is shared and that victims can follow their cases all the way from first report to sentencing.
  • Crime maps should be made interactive and display real-time information to change them from being purely a tool of transparency and accountability to one that could help prevent and reduce crime.
  • The courts should become more accessible and transparent by publishing details online of the progress of cases, transcripts, judgements and sentences.

The criminal justice system at times seems to be in near chaos, cases get lost, villains escape justice, victims get lost in the confusion. Transparency would increase the pressure on the “supply chain” management of the system. When things go wrong victims will become aware of where and when it went wrong and pressure can be applied to rectify the problem.

Guido understands that real-time crime mapping is already a Downing Street priority, this data sharing idea for the wider criminal justice system will chime with government thinking. No doubt the ludicrously inefficient Courts and cops will have objections…


64 Comments

  1. 1
    Ian E says:

    And how much money, time and effort will be spent setting up the system – which will of course spectacularly break down on the opening night and never get sorted. It will also get seriously hacked within hours and provide a back-door into all ongoing police operations! Oh yes, splendid idea – another government-driven online database!

  2. 2
    Owain Glyndwr says:

    The first thing uou have to do is a complete over haul of the judicary and by that I mean not only the way the judiciary is structured but also the method of the selection of judges, clearly looking at the some of the decisions handed down by judges it beggars belief

  3. 3
    Anonymous says:

    Good idea but hardly groundbreaking is it.

  4. 4
    Synic says:

    Why persecute the poor downtrodden criminal class and overworked overweight plods? Concentrate on guillotining all the thieving lying politicians first, including the worsi unelected ones.

  5. 5
    Desmond Swayne says:

    Comrades!

    From now on, you are not allowed to use the words “competition” and “winners”. Competitiveness and the concept of winning are wrong.

    Don’t fear, comrades, we’re still the Conservative Party.

    Up the workers!

  6. 6
    Clare says:

    I’m balding.

  7. 7
    ali bisatt says:

    Can’t see the criminal justice system adopting this any time soon. That would require that their priorities would fall in line with those of victims of crime rather than the current system where it’s just a numbers game for those with targets to meet and an intellectual exercise for the upper echelons. . . . ‘There is no justice, only The Law’

  8. 8
    Dick Baxter says:

    How many pins can you stick into the map of Westminster ?

  9. 9
    Alfred's baker says:

    The last thing that the Police want is more bureaucracy. They have better things to do than waste their time. Perhaps checking M.P.’s expenses would be more productive.

  10. 10
    Laurie loves Owen ... from behind ... with a strap on says:

    perhaps we could have the “thumbs up” and “thumbs down” on each case as per youtube. that way we could indicate if we agreed with the verdict like … lets say off the top of my head … the refusal to send to trial the thieving ex-mp margaret moran.
    thumbs down!

  11. 11
    Fred West Paving Ltd says:

    Clare BaldyHunt

  12. 12
    Scotcop84 says:

    As a cop I fully support this. Would happily update my complainers as to progress through an App should they desire that form of contact. Real time crime tracking would also show why when I start a shift with the best of intentions to progress enquiries I can be rapidly swamped by new priority calls. Any tech that can keep me in closer contact with victims / complainers would be welcome

  13. 13
    Lemsip Opeck says:

    Come on then! If you think you’re hard enough!

  14. 14
    Tom Tomos says:

    Oh dear. Just wait until some of the crime reports and witness statements start appearing online. Barely literate. Worse than the blogosphere.

  15. 15

    The courts should become more accessible and transparent by publishing details online of the cases they …

    Do you find it annoying (especially in the field of justice FFS!) when people do not finish their …

  16. 16
    The Biased woman at the Biased BBC says:

  17. 17
    Socialist Workers Party, Ken Loach, Stop the War coalition, CND, any other leftie outfit says:

    We don’t give a stuff about babies and children being stabbed and shot in Syria by the forces of Comrade Assad. We only pipe up about Is*ael. We stay silent about atrocities committed by other countries. Don’t expect any comment from us about Burma, Zimbabwe, Saudi Arabia. But if a group of Is*aeli artists or musicians dare to come to London to perform, you can bet we’ll be out there in full force protesting. Who gives a fuck about kids being massacred in Syria when Is*aelis are coming to the UK to play music?!!

  18. 18
    Owain Glyndwr says:

    Was that the thieving liebour party tony bee

  19. 19
    Ken Clarke says:

    Not in the leas

  20. 20
    Aaron D Highside says:

    Yes it is.

  21. 21
    Owain Glyndwr says:

    Assad is blaming the isr’aelis for latest massacre, they must be phucking busy they are getting blamed for all in sundry from climate change to killing on a world wide scale

  22. 22
    ;) says:

    Great idea.

    You could tweet the criminals and ask them to put the date of their court appearance in the diary on the Ipad they’ve swiped.

  23. 23
    B Boyd says:

    Polly was completely impartial, as are we all at the BBC.

  24. 24
    Ena Sharples says:

    If it’s virtual pins on a virtual map, virtually loads I would think.

  25. 25
    Lord bumwatch says:

    Yes – the Police do catch them but the system lets them down as they are repeatedly bailed, serve only half a sentence and have a myriad of supporters running around after them.
    Better to build more prisons, make them work and no remission and get rid of bumbling Clarke!

  26. 26
  27. 27

    I think that this great idea could be tested on a selected sample of 650 people.

  28. 28

    Trouble is, you have to go all the way to Bali for it.

    Expenses?

  29. 29
    ;) says:

    While acknowledging you have a point of view, wtf has this got to do with the British Legal system.

  30. 30
    Abu Hamza, Abu Qatada et al says:

    It’s all a great zìonist conspiracy! Don’t blame us for massacres!

  31. 31
    erwin says:

    A thought experiment no less

  32. 32
    Geoff, England (not Britain or 'United' KIngdom) says:

    Makes a change from us English being blamed for everything.

  33. 33
    Circumspect says:

    Here’s an idea: the proescutions in every case should be required to have a costed statement as to the damage suffered by victims. How often do magistrates get told at sentencing hearings that somoeone’s property was damaged in an incident, but when they ask for an estimate so they can order compensation, the prosecutors merely shrug and say they don’t know and the vistim is not present because the defendant is pleading guilty. The prosecution don’t know because they are too lazy to ask. This should stop.

  34. 34
    Geoff, England (not Britain or 'United' KIngdom) says:

    We could put Clarke in one of the new prisons – somewhere among the foundations.

  35. 35
    Vive l'amour says:

    Got to be worth a few bob, I would hope.

  36. 36
    Haribo Halfwit says:

    It should be one of those low-hanging fruit that are amongst the first to be harvested by a proper programme of transformation of government and government services.

    Past experience indicates that open goals like this are merely opportunities to score an own goal.

  37. 37
    Handycock (Teen Fondler) says:

    I could not agree more and I am fighting for it. Boaz.

    http://stevebeasant.mycouncillor.org.uk/2012/06/04/mike-hancock-rejects-proposals-set-out-by-beecroft-report/

  38. 38
    A Bloke Of Aa Certain Age says:

    What about an app to track MPs expense claims , this could be combined with a tag they must wear which shows where they actually are at anytime , particularly useful were overnight allowances are concerned.

  39. 39
    Delia Smith says:

    Oi who you looking at !

  40. 40
    The crazy Morality of Lord Denning says:

    It is far better the hundreds are slain in the street than one innocent man is convicted

  41. 41
    Haribo Halfwit says:

    The executive summary of the report says that “[e]very police force in England and Wales should develop a crime-tracking app to enable all victims in their area to follow their case through the system.”

    On the face of it, they’re suggesting massive, costly duplication of work in developing Apps to fulfil these functions – a kind of re-run of the various NHS IT procurement fiascos; poorly-defined contracts awarded to the usual suspects, resulting in little that is usable in the field.

    With luck, however, the computer whizkids working in each police authority will seize the opportunity to produce something adapted to their force’s particular needs, unpaid and in their spare time. There could be a promotion in it for them, after all.

  42. 42
    Haribo Halfwit says:

    Aye.

  43. 43
    bergen says:

    WTF did shagger Marr have Lady Bountiful as his principal guest on Jubilee Sunday? To see her spewing her hate-filled republican bile at 9 in the morning on the day we were due to celebrate HM was the type of leftwing spoilt child tantrum that I thought Marr had grown out of. It set the pattern for the rest of the day on the BBC , except that it was so blatently ghastly this time that everyone noticed- I doubt if that was meant to happen.

  44. 44
    Forkbender says:

    And don’t forget doing jobbies on the side when they should be inthe HoC

  45. 45
    Forkbender says:

    Not only judges, what about magistrates my dear, their judgment of the same crime varies every area

  46. 46
    Forkbender says:

    Shiria Law does have its points even if they are a bit barbarous

  47. 47
    Blind leading blind says:

    I’m sure EDS could get a system up and running within a 5 years time-frame for a bargain 3 billion or so.

  48. 48
    will says:

    we should just tag all mps instead it would be cheaper, to use a sat nav device on all of them

  49. 49
    will says:

    if you watch any crime related prog on channel 11 (I think) you will see the plod chase criminals and then find that the CPS either dont charged them or give them a light sentence, no wonder the police are pissed off. I would be to see a repeat offender given one more last chance again.

  50. 50
    jax says:

    cant wait for siemens to raid the taxpayers coffers on this one. deustchland uber alles

  51. 51
    Dibble says:

    The average detective has about 18-20 crimes on the go at once. If they are lucky.

    They are all inputted into a crime recording system which requires lots of pointless info for Home Office Counting Rules (the Tories haven’t reformed that despite promising to do so).

    My force is facing twenty percent cuts. I know a lot of people on here are deeply into the ‘public sector = parasite’ or Old Bill = Wankers meme on this blog, but seriously, would you rather we investigated crime or populated databases?

    I say it again — all these great new administrative ideas end up getting performed by coppers. We are running out of admin staff and soon we’ll be running out of coppers too. I read in the Daily Heil (etc) that we’re all eating donuts and doing fcuk-all but TBH looking around where I work I can’t see it.

    Sorry to pop the policy-wonks bubble, but although it ain’t necessarily a bad idea it’s one for a nice sunny day. Not now.

  52. 52
    Laurie loves Owen ... from behind ... with a strap on says:

    1200 protesters in a city with 1.2million on the street, a tv audience of 10.5million and they still farking well claim to be the 99%. deluded leftie knuts!

  53. 53
    keredybretsa says:

    Don’t want none of that do they? They’ll all be feeling under each others collars.

  54. 54
    Peter Carter-Fuck says:

    Get real, this will be another government IT clusterfuck. Government couldn’t organise a titwank in a brothel.

  55. 55
    Norman Smith says:

    That’s not true, B Boyd.

  56. 56
    YorkshireLad says:

    “The criminal justice system at times seems to be in near chaos…”
    I didn’t realize we had one

  57. 57
    Synic says:

    Stop messing about caring for criminals. The present PC cuddly system doesn’t work and costs taxpayers a fortune.
    Select a nice empty Western Isles gale swept site. Build a breeze block compound of single cells. Erect some Guantanamo fences. Incarcerate all the thieving politicians plus any other serious offence convicts up there. Solitary confinement, no TV, no drugs, nothing but bare cells.
    A couple of weeks would sort most of them out and ensure they tell their mates it wasn’t nice. The few that do reoffend should get 2 months, 2 years, 2 decades up there.
    Simples.

  58. 58
    Nom Dom Nom says:

    Well as they all now have iPads just make the track my device open to the public

  59. 59
    IXION says:

    It is usualy a case of ANY comment on the justice system, that it goes from Zero to ‘Hang the bastards, next to their lawyers, and the judges’, in 3 seconds.

    It is impossible to talk Any sense on the internet, before the carpet chewoing tendancy who actually know nothing of the system chip in.

    As a defence lawyer, I am sick of trying to get cases tied up and dealt with ASAP; and constantly running into the police/CPS/courts, not being ready or able to deal with the case that day.

    3 weeks ago I was In Crown court with a total of 3 cases, both CPS lawyers and the judge, were complaining because my client’s wanted to plead guilty and be sentenced that day.

    I have 2 clients who have been on police bail for 2 YEARS, awaiting a decision as to whether they are to be prosecuted.

    Cases involving any racial element or domestic violence will not be dropped by the prosecution for any reason whatsoever because of central direction, that all such cases should be prosecuted. Result some real crap is brought to trial because no one has the balls to drop the case, it is politically easier to take the case to court and fail- of course the taxpayer picks up the bill, but what does that matter?

  60. 60
    Dibble says:

    Well said. And I’m a copper on the other side of the fence.

  61. 61
    I am the law says:

    Why don’t they just go for the 2000AD approach and give all Police the powers of Judge, Jury and Executioner.

  62. 62
    PUPPET MASTERS LIGHT says:

    No No No. The people might find out that the whole protection racket is a state sponsored Scam. Frighten them then TAX them.

  63. 63
    Ivor Tapeworm says:

    We will see plod chase criminals on Channell 11? I like that idea. So criminals are fitted with GPS and we can watch cops chase them in real time on Google Earth? Cool.

  64. 64
    Hamish Macbeth says:

    “”No doubt the ludicrously inefficient Courts and cops will have objections…””

    Err … no !

    Try the inefficient Home Office. Police crime computers should have been standardised and networked across all forces years ago. Instead we have a hotpotch of 51+ different systems.

    This was down to the Home Office failing to take the lead and sorting out a standard system


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