May 15th, 2012

Gove, Gays and God

Gove is used to having his marriage plastered across the pages of the Times and Twitter thanks to his columnist wife, but not his views on gay marriage. The Education Secretary seems to have let the cat out of the bag that Catholic schools will be allowed to oppose gay marriage before an investigation has been completed. Damian Thompson of the Telegraph tweeted, but quickly deleted: “supper w Fr J Large & M Gove last night. Common ground. Gove promised Catholic schls cn oppose gay marriage. Top secret!” A Twitter direct message blunder, but Pink News were watching. Gove is on the side of the angels here, but it’s going to be a bit bumpy…


162 Comments

  1. 1
    Camoron's BumFun Party says:

    Everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others.

  2. 2
    Gordon Brown says:

    I’m first

  3. 4
    webofevil says:

    Are angels known for being homophobic? Maybe the Catholic edition of the Bible’s different from mine.

  4. 6
    Enough says:

    Gove is the only minister who is actully fit for purpose.

    • 7
      Bumboy B!lly Hague says:

      It’s hard to believe that there are some people who regard him as a slimy little nonce.

    • 8
      Coincidence? says:

      He’s about the only one who’s had a real job in the real world.

      • 42
        Anonymous says:

        If you count writing vaguely amusing stories in the Times as a proper job.

        • 108
          Pawn Sandwich says:

          Gove is acting on behalf of childrens education.

          Ed Balls pursued the interests of the teaching unions (he removed the testing of science from KS2). Unions were very happy!

    • 8
      Big Momma says:

      About time we had some good news on this blog instead of it following the BBC and Stalinist Show Trial agenda. Nothing on Boris having a go at the BBC I notice.

      • 17
        How to predict a disaster says:

        See Seen Elsewhere – up and right a bit.

      • 61
        Durr... says:

        Can anyone explain to me why the BBC is a target? (forget Boris who is a tit anyway) I know the beebo’s are a bit left wing and often thick but the beeb is better than Sky any day.

        • 73
          National Socialist says:

          Hurrah! And one million times better than ITV.

        • 93
          Marmite says:

          Cracking joke “Durr” – do you know any more? ROFL.

          • Durr... says:

            Good to see you are so easily amused Marmie. Reasons? I’ll be watching Al Jazeera then.

          • Pawn Sandwich says:

            Al Jazeera news are way better than the BBC news for impatiality.

        • 100
          I Remember You Hoo says:

          There’s little between Sky and the BBC in broadcast quality and lefty bias. Sky is often more factually correct and the BBC generally more ignorant and condescending, but the analysis of both is skewed left.

          The real difference is that Sky do not want to send me to prison if I choose not to watch their garbage, the BBC take the opposite view.

        • 115
          Maximus says:

          BBC = Bolshevist Brainwashing Crew

    • 24
      not a patronising git says:

      With a face one would never tire of punching and a voice to encourage one.

    • 59
      Smig says:

      Puh Oh Buh! Pob!

    • 88
      Credit where it is due says:

      I think he has done a good job sorting out the building for schools fiasco. Its a pity Eric Pickles has failed to deal with the underlying causes of the corruption and inefficiency in local government which allowed that programme to fail so spectacularly over many years in the areas where it could have done some good and was needed most.

      • 143
        Eric Pickles says:

        I know I am a failure, but there is so much vested interest between all Parties and Local Government, especially funding, that I have had to drop any pretence at reform, even though we all know that it is entirely corrupt. There will therefore be no reform of corrupt Local Government and no reform of their corrupt regulator, the Local Government Ombudsman. Sorry about that but needs must.

        • 144
          Handycock No1 Trougher in Parliament says:

          Phew!

          • Former Colleague says:

            Off the hook there for a while then Handy? Your boys can carry on as usual in Portsmouth and you can rest easy for your retirement. Good to see that your well-trained Council Officers have managed to keep the Lord Mayor out of trouble right up to the end of her term of office. Boaz.

  5. 11
    Sophie says:

    It is not our gay friends that actually want gay marriage – it is the cultural marxists & their infernal social engineering.

    That will be Dave Cameron – cultural marxist, absolutely besides himself with eagerness to please the metropolitan elite – no matter what the cost to society.

    • 22
      David Camoron says:

      It beats dealing with that messy economy thing, which gives me a headache.

    • 25
      David Camoron says:

      It beats dealing with that messy econ*omy thing, which gives me a headache.

    • 103
      Marmite says:

      What’s UKIPs position on this matter Sophie? Pray tell.

    • 112
      I Remember You Hoo says:

      The current Coalition position is more of the same hectoring, bullying crap, that Labour peddled for thirteen, long, long, years.

      • 126
        The public says:

        Yup. They need taking down a peg. Once the Olympics are out of the way..

    • 151
      Ex Brixton copper on £64K pension says:

      Speak for youself Sophie dahling. If I go into hospital in Norway they won’t let my hubby come and see me as next of kin with only that civil thingy bit of paper. We have to be properly married to be viewed as next of kin.

    • 157
      EdTheShed says:

      Dave has always had a soft spot for homosexuals, ever since he got bumf—-d at Eton.

  6. 12
    Mr Gove AKA Pob says:

    Side of the Angels?

    Side of the god bothering sky fairy worshippers shurely?

    Catholic church should look into better policing the molestors within their ranks and stop enforcing their crazy views on contraception on the developing world worshippers who are naive enough to actually follow the vatican’s direct orders on condoms etc; their developed world followers just hypocritically ignore them.

    What with this and your support for unelected sky pixie worshippers being given positions of power within the upper house I do begin to question your ‘libertarian’ principles

    • 16
      Sir William Waad says:

      I’m not aware of any religion that worships a sky pixie. What on earth or in heaven are you talking about?

    • 119
      Maximus says:

      What a bigot — as if the developing world couldn’t make its own mind up about sky fairies, prophylactics, or anything else — racist too, no?

    • 149
      Jackie's husband says:

      Could you please pack some more clichés into your left wing rant next time, splay your arse cheeks all you want behind closed doors but let’s not pretend it’s normal.

    • 153
      The sky pixie Allah says:

      …and the sky pixie said go and molest little white girls oop north, they’re all tarts innit.

  7. 13
    Crikey says:

    A senior politician and a journalist colluding at a social event? Does anything ever change? Perhaps it’s all been a dream and we did vote for a thinly veiled theocracy after all?

  8. 13
    Sir William Waad says:

    Presumaby there aren’t all that many Catholic schoolchildren who want to ‘marry’ somebody of the same sex, so that the school’s policy would be of little importance.

    • 30
      Camoron's BumFun Party says:

      When I was at school, our headmaster taught us that homosexuality was sinful and wrong. To emphasise: this is what we were taught. It seems odd that a government that wants to promote homosexuality and gay marriage should be secretly conniving to allow a small sector of society to teach children that homosexuality is actually wrong.

      What’s the term? Cognitive dissonance?

    • 31
      Ivor Tapeworm says:

      How can you be both a Catholic, wanting to marry in a Church with a churche’s blessing, when the dogma of that church is the bible, that says explicitly that practicing male homosexuality is an abomination?

      Not saying that the Bible is right, but there is an inconsistency here.

      About the size of a huge fucking elephant in the knave.

      Religious hypocrites.

      • 99
        Selohesra says:

        If practicing it is an abomination what do they think when they are expert at it

      • 130
        The age of the fuckwit says:

        This is the same idiotic inconsistancy as those who send their kids to Faith Schools yet demand they are excluded from the actual “faith” taught there. Absolute fucking headbangers.

      • 145
        Crikey says:

        I think they want civil not religious marriage. As do the majority of the rest of the population now anyway.

        Still, serial adulterous divorcees can get civil marriage, and see what the bible has to say about divorce and adultery!

    • 32
      Damien says:

      There will have been at least 6 that I know of in my year (of 120) at a Catholic School who’d want the right to. Being raised in a religious atmosphere that is not accepting of your nature does not change the basics of who you are it just means it takes longer to come to terms with it and accept it. Which doesn’t really do anyone any favours.

      • 35
        Ivor Tapeworm says:

        Well, they can be homosexual. But why the fuck would they want to be Catholics then?

        • 43
          Anonymous says:

          Do they get better food in prison?

        • 47
          Paul says:

          Children don’t really have the choice.

        • 48
          sockpuppet #4 says:

          Funny that. I wonder if anyone wanted to be catholic, it just sort of happened to them, as they were growing up they said to their parents “mum, dad, I’m catholic”, to which the reply would be “yes dear, we sort of always knew you were”.

          • Durr... says:

            Being a Catholic just means you always feel guilty, no matter what.

          • Ivor Tapeworm says:

            Oh, I see. So iCatholicism is genetic. or maybe a disease you get from your parents.

            Except my ancestors were religious, but I somehow escaped inheriting their gullibility.

            Or perhaps it’s based on belief, first and foremost, belief in the bible.

            Which says:

            Lev 18:22-23 “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.”

            Lev 20:13 “If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death.”

            Which rather makes gay marriage between men a little contradictory.

            Want to be a Catholic? Fine. It’s a free country.

            Want to practice homosexuality? Fine. It’s a free country.

            But don’t tie up valuable Parliamentary time trying to square the the two lifestyles. It doesn’t fucking work.

            Choose either the sky fairy or the fairy you want to spend the rest of your life with.

            This is the sort of cognitive dissonance that makes atheists and agnostics remember how inconsistent religion is with reality.

          • sockpuppet #4 says:

            Mr Tapeworm, you are encouraging me to state the obvious:

            Catholics bring up their children to be catholic. And when they are 10 or 11 they don’t really have the choice to say “no, I’m not catholic and I am not going to that school”.

            Also, christians don’t really follow what it says in Leviticus. Do catholics eat prawns?

          • Ivor Tapeworm says:

            Christians follow the bible – and tell others to – except when it suits them not to.

            Thats why I detest anyone telling me what to do on religious grounds.

            Thats why I also detest the undemocratic (Protestant) priviliged position of having placemen in the House of Lords.

            I certainly do not expect anyone ( even Christians ) to follow the bible – the bible is contradictory on so many points it would be impossible to.

            But if anyone wants to tie themselves to any religious doctrine based on the bible being the word of a god/pixie/fairy, fine, but I won’t let them use it to interfere with how I run my life, or let them adopt some sort of morally superior stance. It’s simply bollocks.

            I didn’t know about the prawns one.

            I like prawns, but I think for myself, rather than slavishly and mindlessly follow some scrolls written by backward peasants 2000 years ago.

            If god-botherers stay out of my life, gays stop wasting parliamentary time on church marriage (there are REAL problems the Government should be paying attention to instead) and priests stay out of kiddies’ underwear, I will be happier.

          • Ivor Tapeworm says:

            Christians follow the bible – and tell others to – except when it suits them not to.

            Thats why I detest anyone telling me what to do on religious grounds.

            Thats why I also detest the undemocratic (Protestant) priviliged position of having placemen in the House of Lords.

            I certainly do not expect anyone ( even Christians ) to follow the bible – the bible is contradictory on so many points it would be impossible to.

            But if anyone wants to tie themselves to any religious doctrine based on the bible being the word of a god/pixie/fairy, fine, but I won’t let them use it to interfere with how I run my life, or let them adopt some sort of morally superior stance. It’s simply bollocks.

            I didn’t know about the prawns one.

            I like prawns, but I think for myself, rather than slavishly and mindlessly follow some scrolls written by backward pe*sants 2000 years ago.

            If god-botherers stay out of my life, gays stop wasting parliamentary time on church marriage (there are REAL problems the Government should be paying attention to instead) and priests stay out of kiddies’ underwear, I will be happier.

    • 40
      sockpuppet #4 says:

      I only remember one pupil getting married when i was at school. They didnt do it at school though. They might have even been absent almost all the time.

    • 107
      Marmite says:

      What’s the religi*n of pe.*ce’s position on this? No mention as to whether they must conform and accept this stoopid g*y ma.rr.i.age shyte. Is the BBC going to seek their views on this matter? Thought not!

      • 141
        Hugh Gahoudi says:

        What happens next? Is Camerbum going to make it compulsory ?

      • 146
        Crikey says:

        They don’t have to accept anything, as it only involves *civil* marriage. There maybe be people of course who would like us to have government by religious crazies, of any brand.

  9. 15
    Anonymous says:

    Gove is on the side of the angels?

    Unfortunately for him, Guido, and all other like-minded knuckle-draggers, history is on the side of the fairies.

    • 45
      Anonymous says:

      Demographics in this country will probably result in the fairies hanging from cranes in football stadia within a couple of generations.

      • 102
        Derek Smalls says:

        On a practical note: Do you think we’ll be allowed to take our drinks into the stands?

        • 134
          Business Cat (Specializing in yarns, Cdn owned & op) says:

          Non-alcoholic drinks will be allowed.

    • 51
      Piers Gaveston says:

      A study of history would suggest otherwise

    • 142
      Hugh Gahoudi says:

      So original Onanymist, try some new similies old chap.

  10. 19
    Well it's a thought says:

    See eddy the balls, eyes are blinking faster than a blue light on a plods car going to say hello to our Rebekah, on beeb 24hr

  11. 20
    Penfold says:

    And why can’t Catholic Schools and Catholics generally follow their conscience?

    We come to a pretty pass when the state at the bidding of “interested parties” decides that it will invoke censorship and prevent free speech and free and open debate so as to skew events to suit other bodies.

    It is time for people to understand that our freedoms are being eroded, and it is all being done under fairness, equality and the need to be politically correct.

    • 33
      Ivor Tapeworm says:

      I think a lot of them just like to follow little boys and play with their bottoms.

    • 34
      Camoron's BumFun Party says:

      +1

      There’s nothing as illiberal and undemocratic as a Liberal Democrat.

    • 110
      Marmite says:

      + lots penfold. Trouble is some folk are so stupid & m.*.o.r.*.o.n.i.c. now, they don’t re.a.lise that our way of life is going down the pan before our very eyes.

    • 132
      Maximus says:

      Liberty, fraternity, equality — except some take the fraternity a bit further than most.

  12. 21
    Is it too much to ask? says:

    Is it too much too ask that we should have at least one mainstream party that is financially competent yet socially progressive ?

    • 50
      Bumboy B!lly Hague says:

      Not too much to hope for, but certainly a triumph of hope over experience

  13. 23
    HenryV says:

    Thought crime.

  14. 26
    Anonymous says:

    Ah, the party of small government and freedom of the individual.

  15. 29
    Jed says:

    Though I was voting for the conservatives not Pope Benedict.

  16. 37
    Fr. Peder Ast says:

    The Catholic Church manages its relations with little chaps very nicely without having to bother with all that marriage nonsense.

    • 54
      PDF file says:

      Their high-profile, extra-curricular cock-ups bring the whole industry into disrepute.

  17. 38
    Billy Pilgrim says:

    Again Guido shows his homophobia

  18. 41
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    I’m puzzled as to why schools should be opposing things that are nothing to do with education.

    • 92
      Dobbie says:

      IMO the gay debate got totally out of hand. Give them an inch and they take a hundred miles. I don’t care what consenting adults get up to in their own time but it’s become bloody stupid now. Blokes “marrying” blokes in churches etc. FFS.

      • 147
        Crikey says:

        It’s not “marrying” in churches, as you would have know. It’s civil marriage, you know, the sort that the wife bashing adulterous divorcees get.

    • 139
      HenryV says:

      A few years back I was a mature student reading history. In the first year there was a module on the Middle Ages. One of the essay questions was to discuss attitudes towards minorities. Every source on the reading list for that question was oversubscribed to the point where students were forced to choose other questions by HoD. That is all the teenage student is interested in minorities and political correctness and equal opportunities. Why? Because those are the aspects of society which the secondary tier of education focusses on. Forget kings or queens or battles or the Industrial Revolution or any other real area of study.

      • 148
        History Pistory says:

        Particularly forget the last 13 years of the Labour Government.

        • 154
          HenryV says:

          I think a few here would be truly horrified by what Liebour have done to young minds in the last decade and a half. It is one thing to read about it in the likes of the Daily Fail or to hear stories from those with teenage children, but it is quiet another thing to actually have seen it first hand and been in the midst of what I can only describe as cultural and intellectual rape of young minds. We truly live in a an era of thought crime.

  19. 44
    WVM says:

    Yepeeeeee! It’s all fixed because Germany put more people on benefits and thereby increased GDP in some nominal unproductive fashion that has nothing to do with real growth. We’re all saved!

    Again.

  20. 46
    Johnny says says:

    “… but not his views on gay marriage.”

    These are not his views on gay marriage. These are at best his views on whether catholic schools can oppose plans for gay marriage and at worst a premature disclosure of the conclusion of the investigation.

    It’s funny that political advocacy in schools should be frowned upon in this instance but not when it comes to redistribution of wealth, progressive social welfarism and contraction and convergence climate change policies.

  21. 52
    Raving Loon says:

    Although I don’t personally have a problem with gay marriage, I resent being told how to think by politicians, as if the “default” moral position is support and that if you’re against it you’re an immoral hick or something. Whatever happend to diversity of opinion.

    • 63
      Technomist says:

      The ‘state’ is ultimately inimicable to genuine diversity, even if politicians like to use the word a lot when what they really mean is they want to pigeon hole people into categories they can use for box-ticking, resourec allocation by mechanistic means and for ‘divide and rule’ purposes.

    • 135
      Business Cat (Specializing in yarns, Cdn owned & op) says:

      It’s never been about diversity of opinion!

  22. 53
    Bumboy B!lly Hague says:

    Is Father Large his real name or just what his “supper” companions call him?

  23. 62
    Mustaffa Councilhouse says:

    The Gay lobby and Catholic church at each others throat.
    It’s a win win situation as far as I’m fucking concerned.

    • 68
      Mustava Crap says:

      Oh honoured Sir! i am asking if Sir would like more ballot voting papers printed for the weekend? It will bot be coitsly

      • 76
        Mustaffa Councilhouse says:

        ‘Bot be coistly’ you sir are a Catholic and I claim my 5 camels

  24. 64
    The Tit in No 10 says:

    I say chaps!! I don’t know much about money, but, – like Tony, – I’m very rich and am therefore not involved in everyday life, budgeting, and cares!

    So how about we give a few billion or whatever to the Greeks to help tide them over so we can all have our hols there and get a good summer tan?

    Watt? Wattage?? Watter???

  25. 66
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Tevez, what a piece of shit.

  26. 70
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Do we now have to put up with Rebecca Brooks, 24/7 from the BBC? BBC News, the no news channel.

  27. 75
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Alison Levitt at the Crown Prosecution Service looked mighty uncomfortable when giving the news on Brooks et al. Peraphs Levitt is being forced to act in a way she doesn’t want to.

    • 121
      More arable nonsense says:

      Yes, it does go a bit against the grain for them to uphold the rule of law.

  28. 79
    I don't need no doctor says:

    BBC News is now reporting on Brooks. Why did the BBC have to run the clip on Brooks referring to LOL at the Leveson enquiry. Yet again blatant bias against Cameron.
    Sick BBC.

  29. 81
    A Former Catholic School Boy says:

    The question of homosexuality in Catholic schools can be taught by example; almost everyone who ever went to one seems to recall “Sister Mary Bulldyke” as a stereotype of a certain type of nun. In fact, it is thought that the greater public acceptance of homosexuality has led to decline in vocations to the priesthood/monastery/convent, as those who will never marry in the conventional (no pun) sense need not seek a profession in which marriage is prohibited for its practitioners in order to deflect suspicions about their sexuality. Of course, this sort of thing was fairly well surmised anyway; I remember having heard a joke as a child: “Q: What’s the word in Gaelic for ‘poof?’ A: ‘Monsignor’.”

    • 90
      I don't need no doctor says:

      It’s o.k. all will be forgiven on the day of judgement. Catholic priests, Tony Blair et al think so, but methinks they will have one hell of a shock.

    • 128
      Ivor Tapeworm says:

      AFAIK, the Bible only forbids practicing male homosexuality.

      The only bible reference I can find to ‘two women’ seems to be about lap-dancing at a club I have yet to locate:

      Matthew 24:41
      Two women will be grinding at the mill. One will be taken and the other left.

  30. 82
    Dave C says:

    I like all these fuzzy wuzzies. Great cash cows for all my chums in business.

  31. 85
    Bulldog Beast says:

    Give these fucking poofs an inch and they want a foot
    (then a fist)
    Ship them all to Iran

  32. 87
    nellnewman says:

    Gove is an excellent Education Minister. Already his reforms are making a difference to the quality of education in schools. We are seeing it already.

    So I think his judgement is largely sound.

  33. 89
    Mustaffa Councilhouse says:

    Fair enough if folk want to believe in this religious shit but when those beliefs require special treatment and consideration that is when I think the onus must be on them to prove the existance of god.
    Not for us non believers to prove he doesn’t exist for fucks sake.

    • 152
      Crikey says:

      Most don’t really believe it, but it provides a feeling of belonging, a feeling of moral superiority, an opportunity to exercise some control freakery and to bemoan how persecuted you are. By persecution they mean they are no longer able to browbeat and bully as they could in the past and be respected at the same time. How they must long for the good old days.

  34. 96
    tired of them says:

    why can’t these mps just all fuck off – i’m tired of them and with them – why can’t they just fuck off and leave me alone – we don’t need their sermonising, their looting, their hypocrisy or their mendacity.

    leave us all alone – we’ll be okay and enjoy the rest!!!!

  35. 97
    The Joker says:

    What’a a catholic priest and a pint of Guinness got in common?

    Black body, white top, and if you get a wrong un of either you’re backside will know it

  36. 108
    tube_thumper says:

    why do poofs even want to get married?

  37. 117
    Edukation Edukayshun Edookacion says:

    For a glimpse of what a quality state education will get you:

  38. 150
    The Naked Civil Servant says:

    Never tried the backgammon Michael ??

    Go on give it a try Govey … you know you want to ….

  39. 156
    Disco Biscuit says:

    will their priests be allowed to carry on kiddy fiddling, too?

  40. 162
    Harold Hill says:

    Charles Darwin opposed the use of contraception.


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