As Guido recommended last year, Labour could play a blinder if they outflank the Tories on the issue of an EU referendum. It appears there could be some movement:
It might be right to have a wider referendum on uk membership of eu, but not now – ed balls.—
Patrick Wintour (@patrickwintour) May 14, 2012
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Andrew Pierce on Ed Balls…
“Porky Shadow Chancellor Ed Balls sweet-talked guests at a fund-raising dinner by saying if he wasn’t a politician, he would be a chef. That’s not surprising, since he was accused of cooking the Treasury books when he was Gordon Brown’s boot boy.”
Bloody foreigners, coming over here taking all our twitter followers
Is it worth allowing another Labour Government to get referendum?
No
I wouldn’t trust them to actually hold a referendum when they got into power.
I would rather be ruled by Greece than Labour – they would be better at running an economy
Labour will betray us just as quick as the Tories. Not to mention they’ve presided over a gradual crumbling of our country. Too much rot in both of the parties; let’s give someone else a try (Ukip).
I would rather be ruled by the Murdochs.
The Torys are making it easy for Ed now and at the next election. e.g. the shortage of beds in the NHS and people facing long waits and treatment in hospital corridors is not good news. As we found out at the recent elections it is issues which directly affect people that influence their votes.
But at least all the millionaires in the cabinet, the 45 percent tax rate payers and all the bankers are safe because they can afford private health insurance for themselves and their families. Phew, thank goodness for that, for a moment there I was worried. Dave and Nick take a bow for that.
Just wait ’til the reduction in bobbies lead to increased crime figures Gawd ‘elp us.
The NHS isn’t safe in lib dem hands.
“Manifesto promises are not subject to legitimate expectation” G. Brown.
Trust Labour on anything? No thank’s.
There’s no apostrophe in the word ‘thanks’, at least if you’re literate.
Right, I wouldn’t trust them any more than I would trust Cameron to deliver a referendum. If they do the question(s) would be so framed so that the answers could be interpreted any way they want.
Labour referendum pledges are not subject to legitimate expectation.
Lbour or indeed politicians’ pleges of any kind are not worth the toilette payrus they may well be written on
I’m like Dave’s policies, – soft and long, – so soft you’re fingers poke right through to the (Gordon) Brown stuff
Terms and conditions apply.
Would anyone vote labour in order to get a referendum?
There’s a fair chunk of the population who would vote labour even if Ed had a policy to murder the first born.
Too true. They are thickos r us and, of course, our effnics. That just about sums it all up.
No, they are just selfish c**ts, who are happy to see the nation destroyed in a debt apocalypse so they keep their high pay and benefits, as State workers and welfare dependents.
In the case of hideously white male babies, that is more of an ‘aspiration’
Yeah there’s enough idiots voting UKIP than for no other reason.
CMD promised a referendum and did not deliver.
Smeg’Ed will promise a referendum and will not deliver.
Same Shit, Different Rosette.
Wake up.
The wont give you a referendum any more than the Tories would, Both parties thin the public are stupid enough to believe them. Blair promised one Brown promised a vote on Lisbon and Cameron gave us a CAST IRON GARENTEE
Fucking liers the lot of them, It’s UKIP for me and I believe it will be UKIP for many. If the Tories were ever going to give us a referendum they would give it BEFORE the next election and act immedeatly on the result. That way they could win a landslide but that won’t happen they think they can con us again . NO CHANCE
The Times they are a changing
Come all the electorate throughout the UK
It’s time to ignore what the LIBLABCON say
Lets face it these parties have all had their day
Our politics need rearranging
So go out and vote UKIP lets sweep them away
For the times they are a changing
Not one of them listens to our point of view
They’d sooner give our cash to the EU
So lets kick them out and try something new
We can’t afford this lot remaining
Political rethink is long overdue
For the times they are a changing
They lied about Lisbon and promised a vote
There all Europhiles and in the same boat
Their treachery just bring a lump to my throat
As each other they just keep blaming
So send them a message and let them take note
That the times they are a changing
We will no longer tolerate lies being told
Tax breaks for the rich but more tax for the old
Ruled from the EU and our birthrights sold
They ignore us when we are complaining
If we all vote UKIP there out in the cold
For the times they all need changing
I’m Voting UKIP and so should anyone who realy wants a referendum
If I thought that Labour would genuinely give us a referendom on Europe then I would give them my vote.
But they won’t and never will pull us out of the EU as it goes against everything a Labour party socialist believes in.
In Newspeak, ‘not now’ means ‘never’.
In Newspеаk, ‘not now’ means ‘never’.
Cameron gave us a CAST IRON GARENTEE…
No he didn’t. Find it if you can. I dare you. PS: and it’s not the very heavily edited video you posted on here some time back
NuLab/BluLab…….what the difference? A few accents apart.
Time for Lead to Ed surely.
Why do people call me Milibandwagon ??
Because you eyes look like two wagon wheels.
The chocolate coated variety.
Probably induced by the adenoids === or should that be the Ed – onoids
I don’t trust Labour to ask the right question (ie, In/Out) – and a we@ker choice of ‘renegotiation’ would hinder any subsequent attempt to ask the fundamental question re membership or not.
Hmmm Didn’t dave promise us a referendum? What’s to stop militwit mouthing the same empty promise only to break it if by some enormous fluke should he get elected into no 10 next time around?
They promised an alternate voting system and a referendum on it back in 1997. Yet somehow, with their 200 seat majority, they never delivered. Then, in desperation, they promised the same thing in 2010 but then failed to vote in favour when given the opportunity.
Labour are liars. Wilful liars. If the voters fall for their continual lies then they (we) deserve everything that’s coming. Just like the Greeks.
I seem to recall Bliar ‘promising’ to give us 4 extra bank holidays a year…
I knew a girl who promised me a handful of sprats. Four pints later – nothing!
+ millions
I am still going to vote UKIP, because out of all of the parties, the only one I believe about a referendum on the EU is UKIP. Even then I do not believe it 100%.
I do not believe labour or the liberal democrats AT ALL. The Liberal Democrats are the only party out of all of them to promise a specific in-or-out referendum on membership of the EU in their last manifesto. All bar one of them voted against that exact manifesto promise in the commons.
The others promised non-specific kind of EU treaty referenda.
I certainly do NOT trust, or believe any of the main three, Europhile, parliamentary parties to honour any promise of a referendum, UNLESS there is a consistent 80%+ people stating that they would vote to stay in the EU.
They are all playing catchup to UKIP
Playing being the operative word. It’s all posture for the dolts to consume. All three main parties are joined at the hip to the EU. They are all stuffed full of unprincipled, opportunist liars too
Cameron is a pathological liar.
Labour’s Golden Dawn ne?
As in Chrysi Avyi !? I don’t really get it. [ + nai is spelled nai, not ne ]
Nell, Dave did but only if Lisbon, remained unratified.
I think that you’re getting him confused with the Great Imbecile, who was the one who reneged on his promise (and slithered in at the end of the Treaty’s signing ceremony to sign it out of public view).
Indeed you are quite right. I had forgotten about Dave’s clause re ratification.
And I have to admit that even if labour promised and in/out EU referendum I wouldn’t vote for them. To watch them trash what’s left of our economy even further is too high a price to pay.
I seem to remember Dave making the promise when it was already too late. Perhaps there were a couple of countries about to ratify at the time, but even so, it was very unlikely to have been possible when promised.
No. Dave promised a referrendum before Lisbon had been signed and called on Brown not to do so, so that the people could have their say. Brown ignored him (and the British people) and rushed to sign before the election took place.
This is yet another of the landmines and wreckage that Labour left the new government to sort out.
Was it Brown’s incompetence or deliberate? Given what we know about the man I’m 100% certain that, along with so many other things, it was the latter
OK. I forgot.
Dave’s just great.
Just Great? Not so sure about that – I wouldn’t go that far, but he’s entitled to be judged on facts not what some (like Sqd Ldr Farridge, Miliband and others) make up.
Dave also called a three line whip against in the HOC when they had the debate about an EU referendum, Two faced fucker
Exactly. There’s a big problem with voting for UKIP – as an exemplum, it’s a bit like leaving your house unlocked all the time – you get the benefit of never having to worry about where your door keys are(get rid of the EU) but the downside is unknown(If they can ever deliver on anything UKIP “promise”, and if there are unstoppable financial implications), and the chances are that really, REALY bad things WILL happen on their watch to everything else you personally hold dear.
I have to say that I would rather vote Liebore than UKIP, and I have been like Man City – light blue my whole life. And I would NEVER vote LieBore.
Really, REALLY bad things, like leaving out the second L in the second REALLY.
Pillock.
Spot On
Haven’t we been here before wit Mr blair????
“It might be right to have a wider referendum”
Do you see what I did there?
Labour Party manifesto pledges are not subject to legitimate expectation
Victory! The judge agrees with me!
Brown probably already signed us out
You really believe Liebour crap would give the people of Britain a “yes” “no” referendum or will they do what they did last time with the aid of the media and go for a “yes” “yes” one, screw that, trust Liebour you gotta be kidding, besides brown went to his tame judges and his tame judges says anything coming out of Liebour is just dre-ams, pie in the sky..
More hot air, either have a referendum or as likely don’t
To use the crisis in the EU and the contentious issue of whether we, the Electorate actually wish to remain a member purely to play Politics just about sum up the Lib/Lab/Con.
They have NO intention of EVER holding such a Referendum as they know it will be a resounding NO Vote, which is the last thing they want
Vote UKIP
If the people voted for us to leave the EU all those nice troughing jobs in the EU for our failed policicos would go.Turkeys voting for Christmas comes to mind-there is NO chance of our political masters losing those appointments.
You have to take your hat off to the chaps at UKIP then, for they are indeed turkeys voting for Christmas. Hard to believe isn’t it? A bunch of politicians whose main objective, if successful, will be to put themselves out of a job. Got to admire that.
So don’t vote for them again
How odd – my earlier response gotted moddid
Then the great unwashed British public will just have to completely forgo the pleasures of ever again voting forand British euro MPs. Simple but effective.
They’ve all promised these referenda before, none have delivered. Why should we believe them this time around?
Indeed. Labour liars are liars. And the court expects them to be liars so there’s no come-back there either. I’m amazed the crooked Labour MPs didn’t use the judges land-mark ruling that Labour are not to be trusted to app*eal that they shouldn’t be prosecuted.
The judgement was party manifestos, not just Labour party manifestos.
Because we’re worth it
The six million dollars money will be transferred but I need a small fee which I will refund as soon as the court has released the money. Please supply me with a fee of 0.5% (30,000 US dollars) plus a fixed 100 US dollars in the form of a bankers draft to our shared account.
As soon as the money has cleared your share of the six million dollars will be wired to the shared account.
Bless you dear sir,
Honest Mbwazi [Sole surviving relative of General Abacha]
Fuck that I will just send you some foreign aid
Will a billion do?
A £billion? We’ve put up VAT, Dave. Make it £3billion.
It’s only taxpayers’ money.
Are yoou a Nigerian 419 scammmer ??– if so get in the queue !!
OK,fair enough Guido,so you’ve saved Ed.
I’m not called “Cast Iron” Dave for nothing.
Cast Iron is crap. Heavy and brittle.
And you know if you’re in a wankers shop when you see a Le Creuset Frying pan.
Too right all the Le Creuset scrap ware is made in the PRC Army Iron Works by 9 year olds anyway. About as French as George Bush. I bet Dave has got a fucking kitchen full of the crap
Whoever calls the referendum on the EU couldn’t lose the next election if they tried!
OT sorry . I see alycampbell is at the leveson inquiry giving his twopennorth version of the truth as he spins it.
I wonder whether jay will be asking him about who was responsible for using the media against d r k e l l y and the circumstances surrounding his resultant death? I mean , after all, jay thought asking brooks about how cameron signed off his emails was important. How much more important is someone’s death?
Campbell is a lying shit.
Funny – I can’t find this anywhere on our beloved national brodcaster. Must be my Jap tv.
They are full of cr@p the same as the Tories. They’ll play the reforedum game until elected. They have even sneaked in the weasel- word “referendum but not yet”. But not yet is forever.
That should read referendum!
For fucks sake. We need to disengage from Europe pronto to a position of voluntary trade only.
If – sorry I mean when – the dumbass, socialism-bent fuckers start butchering one another again we stay well out of it this time, apart from making a fat packet selling arms and equipment to all belligerents.
No-one ever thanks us or the yanks for saving Europe from totalitarian butchery last time. Leave them to it.
A fine sentiment Mr JH
WTF we ever got involved in their wars is beyond me, its not as if they are greatful
Probably because just like the Diggers and Kiwis we just enjoy a good scrap that involves humilliating continental types
Not much going on here then… will that change when Steve returns?
http://www.number10.gov.uk/tag/no-10-policy-unit/
Time for a name change…….
Out with CAST IRON DAVE
In with COST ELECTION DAVE
You can guarantee that fuckwit Dave, backed by Moron Osborne and Traitor Hague will miss the open goal by a fucking country mile.
Alistair Campbell is doing a lot of lying today at Leveson. I’m sure Chris Bryant agrees.
Campbell’s memory is also selective, strange that.
It’s terrible what being an alcoholic does to the old memory – I mean, Tony only had a G&T and half a bottle of wine night, and he forgot that he was a practicing happy-clappy fucking Christian and went on to help slaughter 1.5 million people, and that Broon was a Huhne with no batteries in his Fisher Price calculator.
Funny old thing, the demon booze.
I wouldn’t vote for Ed even if he offered me a referendum and ten Tulisa’s. We’ve all got down dirty with Labour before and lived to bitterly regret it.
Beware, this man is in the background pulling the strings a couple of weeks ago.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2139381/EU-referendum-Peter-Mandelson-admits-Britain-vote.html
By 2015 there may be no EU.
We live in hope.
“And gentlemen in England now abed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here
And hold their manhoods cheap whilst any speeks
That fought with us upon St. Crispin’s Day!”
It will need a bit of a shove over the cliff, methinks, Your Majesty.
The LIBLABCON morons have been denying and ignoring the public view for a Referendum on the EU.
Across Europe they are seeing their mighty EU supporting giants being slain by the low-life voters.
And now they will start dancing to the tune of UKIP !!
Only it’s too late. The little people don’t trust the tax-wasting-self-serving-lying-tvvats
Come on Guido, even my dog could outflank the Tories in their current state. As others have commented, I wouldn’t trust Tory or Liebour leaders to deliver a referendum on the EU, but my desperation is such that I probably would trust UKIP since they have not been tainted – as far as I know – with thoughts of diving in the EU trough at the first invitation. (I know that some will say our Nige has a slightly questionable past when it comes to this unedifying activity, but on balance I would certainly give him a run for our money – but only once, just like One-Term-Dave, who masquerades as ‘Cast Iron’ but who is anything but.
(Former life-long Conservative voter, but never again on present form.)
Donn’t tell anyone, but Dave’s real name is Solly Carstein..
That’s what they said about Bliar/ Broon/ Noo LieBore in 1997 – how did that whole experiment work out for us?
Ferage is pandering (as in a pimp) to the far right – and that’s it.
Thre is no “far right” in this country.
Unless of course you mean by “far right” people who wish that the government we elect actually governs in the best interest of the electors and not some unelected and unremovable Kommissars, in another country.
Do yourself a favour and buy a decent dictionary, or of course you could just stop lying.
No mate – Ukip as a political party are on the far right of politics in the UK – don’t need a dictionary to work that out, as I had a half decent (sometimes paid for) education.
The lies are being told by Nige and his cohorts. You are accepting them because of a psychological trick akin to wish fulfilment syndrome- they are saying what you want to hear, therefore you will not ask too many deep questions of them, after all they are “your” answer to the situation, aren’t they?!
How’s that whole “educational trust” thing coming on? Any answers to that yet? Hmm?
You do realise that Farage is married to a foreigner don’t you? He’s a libertarian who believes in small government – and a government that holds referenda as per the Swiss model. He’s not frecking Adolf and has no desire to invade France (admittedly that might count against him)
Campbell’s memory still giving him trouble. I can guarantee Campbell’s memory is 100% perfect when it comes to something the tories may or may not have done. Even more strange that!
Even having trouble rememberring thing he made notes about.
Interesteing that Jay started off by asking him about confidentiality clauses and security vetting. No doubt that’s aimed getting ammo against Cameron and Coulson
The entire Leveson fiasco, is like a show trial you would hear about happening during the soviet era. Ghastly people, all with agendas, all shuffling around to a pre-determined verdict and the truth be damned.
At union headquarters:
The scene: McClusky and other union bosses in a smoke filled room thinking up a reason to hold another strike.
There’s a knock at the door in comes a minor union bully-boy.
Minor union bully-boy: “Len, Putty-nose is outside, he said he would like to see you”.
McClusky: “What the fuck does the twat want now, OK send him in”.
Milliband (for it is he): “Mr McClusky, I want a new bandwagon, I don’t like this Hunt one, besides that Harriott woman keeps going on about it. It’s not fair everyone’s got a new band wagon; Ballsy’s got a new one pretending to want to give a referendum on ewrop, even that ugly fat woman’s got one on her chickin nuggets. I wont one. You promised me I could have a new one every week”.
Cluskey: “I can’t give you one right now son, me and the boys are trying to get rid of this government so we, err, you can be in charge. Now scoot off there’s a good lad and I’ll get someone to think of a new one for you later, oh and do us a favour, on your way out find the tea lady and ask to bring some more tea. OK that’s all for now”.
I am always right!
I am never wrong!
And this is DRÉĄDFUL NEWS!!!!
How can the boy go against all Gordon strived for and achieved? How can he doubt the yéąrs of instruction that I have given him and his fellow oiks – I méąn colléągues? What will happen to my plans for the EUSSR and my comfy life and emoluments?
What about us and our advancement into sinecure posts in the EUSSR – like Neil and Glynnis and other very high up progressive advanced thinking people who suck on the Gréąt Tit?
I must go and see Eddy boy, – and advise little Ed that he should know his place – and that he should come to me for advice and help, – he needs the help of a mature woman, a woman with time – and experience – to hold his hand and léąd him gently into the Way of Secret ééKnowledge, – about things that only I, – and perhaps Hattie – could téąch him, – about how to coax the best . . . oh déąr, . . . . I’m going . . . oh déąry me I haven’t felt like this for weeks . . . no don’t help me! . . I need the reléąse . . the warmth . . the relaxation . . . here it comes . . . I’m going in to status polytwadlicus . . . oh . . oh . . . oH!
So THAT”S where this lot went, you cheeky girl:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sex-toys-worth-11000-stolen-832323
Er, have you got there yet…?
Just thought I’d ask!
You’d have to be soft, wet and totally bonkers
To believe any of the LibLabCon plonkers
Still, like Fawkes says, you can’t help but titter
At “Tories” who need a baby-sitter
All good though do we have any reason to believe the Liebore party? Isn’t Balls just flying a kite?
Le.ad balloon
I said this in May 2010 (and long before)
If DC and crew were to absolutely guarantee in their manifesto an immediate in/out referendum on the EU they would rule forever. Not too late especially under present circumstances – call one for end of June D.C. Dead easy.
Perhaps that is what Millipede has in mind if he steals a march on the Tories on this my mind will be finally boggled.
The Conservatives are a bunch of idiots, can they not see this?????
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U left out “LOL”
They (whoever ‘they’ are) want a United States of Europe no matter what the cost just and the LibLabCon is fully signed up to it. All the Tories have done is pause the EU juggernaut in the UK and only until Labour gets in again. Besides even if the UK has a referendum and the vast majority want out of the EU who is to say any of the LibLabCon will act upon that referendum result and pull us out?
Quite so, anyone who for one moment believed the liars would keep thier word or not revert to some kind of timetable for strategic withdrawal, that dipped into decades hence and actually did nothing. Has not been paying attention for the past few decades.
Why promise? Just do it. Put the motion forward in the Commons. See who votes for it. See who doesn’t. Promises from the three main parties about an EU referendum have been completely devalued.
exactly if Liebour want us to took the Party seriously then get on an introduce the legislation via the mechansim open to the opposition enforcing a three line whip on Labour MPs to vote in favour of a referendum on IN / OUT
We might possibly maybe could conceivably God-willing perhaps feasibly hold a referendum question Big Conversation debate maybe about an in/out/in/out shake it all about closer ties EU membership thing.
But then again..
Even if Greece leave the Euro they’ll still be in the EU.
In my opinion we are in too deep to extract ourselves, and I doubt if it’s legally possible.
We have shot our load and its time to wipe our cocks on the quilt and leave
Indeed, we’ve paid the whore enough already.
Just nuke Brussels and let the EU argue about the legality later.
If it’s illegal but we’re out of the EU who’s court do we attend to answer for our horrendous crimes to humanity?
Would you like to continue to enjoy the EU experience of endless sunny days, happiness, good health, prosperity and p*eace, or do you want to leave the EU and die alone, cold, in the dark, in fear, struggling to survive in a rain-sodden bomb crater with rats chewing at your limbs when you sleep. And zombies.
YES! I would like to live happily in the EU forever in a house made of g*old. []
NO! I want to leave the EU and be eaten by the living dead. []
Ohhh I don’t like rats and zombies.
LOL..
Well the labour hokey cokey tactic seems to be working again – f*** up the economy, sit back say b***** all sensible, point fingers at those who have to pick up the pieces, get back in power – we do the hokey cokey and start all over again.
Landsley gets lost on his way to The Royal College of Nursing and ends up at a Weightwatchers conference.
I vaguely recall an election promise by Labour in 2005 to hold a referendum on the Lisbon Constitution/Treaty/Call it what you will. What happened to that? I recall a cast-iron guarantee of a similar referendum by the Tories, and what happened to that?
As to any other party offering an in/out referendum – well, it would be a very good idea, but I’ll believe them when I walk through the door of the polling station to cast my vote in said referendum, and not before.
You can also bet your life that as soon as LibLabCon announced the date of the referendum, the BBC would bombard the public with 24/7 with glorious EU propaganda and horror stories about the perils of leaving.
The government would send expensive taxpayer-funded ‘information’ packs (in 70 different languages) to every homes, complete with DVD and link to interactive website (which would crash immediately), telling us all how great the EU is and how, without it, we will all inevitably die of leprosy.
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Welcome back, you’ve been missed!
Anybody else notice how quiet our child of the Fourth Reich has gone on the matter of the Irish Referendum?
A bit ashamed are we Guido, as all your compatriots squirm beneath the heel of Miss Piggy’s jackboot and dutifully and obediently line up to vote “Ja” to formalising rule from Berlin.
At least old de Valera will be smiling in his grave.