May 10th, 2012

Gove Goes For the Old Boys in the Media

Michael Gove is on fine form today:

“Armando Iannucci, David Baddiel, Michael McIntyre, Jack Whitehall, Miles Jupp, Armstrong from Armstrong and Miller and Mitchell from Mitchell and Webb were all privately educated. 2010’s Mercury Music Prize was a battle between privately educated Laura Marling and privately-educated Marcus Mumford. And from Chris Martin of Coldplay to Tom Chaplin of Keane – popular music is populated by public school boys. Indeed when Keane were playing last Sunday on the Andrew Marr show everyone in that studio – the band, the presenter and the other guests – Lib Dem peer Matthew Oakeshott, Radio 3 Presenter Clemency Burton-Hill and Sarah Sands, editor of the London Evening Standard – were all privately educated. 

Indeed it’s in the media that the public school stranglehold is strongest. The Chairman of the BBC and its Director-General are public school boys. And it’s not just the Evening Standard which has a privately-educated editor. My old paper The Times is edited by an old boy of St Pauls and its sister paper the Sunday Times by an old Bedfordian. The new editor of the Mail on Sunday is an old Etonian, the editor of the Financial Times is an old Alleynian and the editor of the Guardian is an Old Cranleighan. Indeed the Guardian has been edited by privately educated men for the last sixty years… But then many of our most prominent contemporary radical and activist writers are also privately educated.

George Monbiot of the Guardian was at Stowe, Seumas Milne of the Guardian was at Winchester and perhaps the most radical new voice of all Laurie Penny of the Independent – was educated here at Brighton College. Now I record these achievements not because I wish to either decry the individuals concerned or criticise the schools they attended. Far from it. It is undeniable that the individuals I have named are hugely talented and the schools they attended are premier league institutions.”

Gove’s state school and then scholarship education will set him up nicely for a post-Etonian PM world…


  1. 1
    Anonymouse says:

    What a reflection of the failure of the state education system.
    Why Labour ever closed down Grammar Schools I don’t know, it was the ladder for the working classes to climb up. And I should know.

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    Anonymous says:

    It also helps if you are Z ion ist.

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    jgm2 says:

    Polly will be in two minds. Glad to be missed out so as not to draw attention to her private education or cross because he characterised all these people as ‘talented’ while pointedly not mentioning her.

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    Oh dear says:

    Gove, one minister that does seem up to the job.

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    The Provinces says:

    Run by posh-kids, for posh-kids.. watch your back you slimey little bastards.

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    Kevin T says:

    Isn’t that the reason the establishment want us plebs sending our kids to shit comprehensives – so their positions are safe for their own offspring?

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    Hmmph says:

    Someowuld say, the ONLY minister up to the job.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Coldplay are fairly crap. The best thing about them is they aren’t as crap as Keane.

    Do they have pop-star lessons in these schools? If they do they should probably have a lesson on drinking and fighting in Burnage.

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    Ash Ken the Question says:

    I agree with that. Well said.

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    Ah! Monika says:

    I wish I had been privately educated. But I had to wait ’till I got married.

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    Dave says:

    Queen’s prep school, Eton, Oxford and plebs still have the downright cheek to call me a thick balding c’unt! It’s as if I only got in because daddy had loads of dosh stashed off shore avoidng tax. Bloody cheek!

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    Kevin T says:

    There are no blacks at the Guardian either except the odd token columnist hired because he says what liberal whitey wants to hear (racism, slavery, Obama=saint, etc)

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    Education, Edyerkayshun, Eddyookaashun says:

    Only Liebour know how to teech our childran.

  14. 14
    John Rentboy-Toul says:

    he’s certainly up for it!

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    Lance Corporal Blimp says:

    The army is also full of public school old boys.

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    Owain Glyndwr says:

    Got to give it to him, great piece

  17. 17
    John McCririck says:

    Ladbrokes have suspended betting on Greece exiting from the Euro.

  18. 18
    Wickes DIY says:

    Because you are a ladder?

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    Grammar School Boy says:

    Me too!

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    backs to the wall game says:

    We’re just pawns in the bum boys game. They pick their colours in their first years, blue or red, and take it from there.

  21. 21
    Owain Glyndwr says:

    Yes but they will be using the zimbabwe dollar

  22. 22
    AC1 says:

    Your ISP has been recorded and you have been reported to Smackhead Mensch, Internet Tsar Chosen One, for the onerous hate crime of mentioning who really runs Britain, France, the US… .

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    Secondary Modern says:

    What about Polly, which comprehensive did she attend?

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    Dave says:

    Great news! Me and President OBum-boy are getting married!

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    SAS - NOT !!!!! says:

    If your best hope is Mongo Gove ( Holidays in Fwarnce ) then you are buggered.

    Gove, universally disliked by all. A pompous , haughty buffoon of a man.

    Errrrrr….has he released the “secret emails yet”

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    Ah! Monika says:

    Kieth Vaz denies that ‘ra ce’ was a motivator in yesterdays grooming case.

    L o s t f o r ………..

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    Mr Gove AKA Pob says:

    Any one got a spare £60 million of tax payers money to buy our social betters a yacht?

    Or a warehouse where I can stash some of these tax payer funded vanity project bibles?

    Is there really any objection to me being put up in £500 per night hotels at the tax payer’s expense?

    How about my constant fellating of Mr Murdoch?

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    Public or Private? says:

    It is a Golden Dawn for the public school, which is actually a private school that provides scholarships so it can maintain its charity status.

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    Dorm room fag says:

    or Brown ;)

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    Alister says:

    Gove was adopted then went to Robert Gordon’s College in Aberdeen before University. He’s of the correct opinion that we should make the state schools equal to the fee paying ones not by abolishing/hindering the fee paying but by making the state schools so good that no one would pay extra for so little extra. He’s seriously passionate about this.

    The way to get the greatest improvement in social mobility is education.

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    Ah! Monika says:

    Latymer Upper School, Hammersmith followed by Gonville and Caius College, Cambridge,

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    Saltpetre says:

    Can’t stand Mitchell. His smug lefty tirades on ’10 O’clock Live’ makes him look like a fat raving nonce.

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    Steve Miliband says:

    See the BBC is ‘live-eventing’ the public sector strikes on their webshite.
    Wouldn’t a photo of some idle c8nts holding a placard with a caption do?

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    Ah! Monika says:

    Unfortunately, no-one on here will be alive to see it.
    Socialism must die first.

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    Walkers crisps in meagre portions says:

    Kieth Vaz is an oily creep. Still, he does know a lot about cover-ups.

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    Sod the Eds says:

    Gove – the best of the lot of them. A Prince amongst thieves and knaves.

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    Anonymous says:

    You can also add Marcus “So funny I almost laughed” Brigstocke to the list

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    Fubar Saunders says:

    and thats exactly why they did it. They dont want the poor getting above themselves!! If they did that, they wouldnt be poor anymore and what need would there then be for the left? There wouldnt be any!

    They just want to replace the tories own self serving inpenetrable elite with an equally inpenetrable one of their own. All this self loathing bullshit is just a front which the pigshit thick tribal voters lap up because they’ve got chips on their fucking shoulders.

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    David Laws Lib Dem Fiddler says:

    The Tory led Coalition are still borrowing and spending more than Gordon Brown; despite claims for a bonfire of quangos they are creating 6 more through the Queen’s speech yesterday. Whether privately educated or not do these loony tunes know how to add up!!

    Stop spending, stop increasing taxes. It still does not pay to work, no matter how the Lie Dumbs add up. Immigration is increasing not falling, EU spending is increasing not falling, bail outs continue not stopped, as promised by Flashman and Boy blunder. Does Boy Blunder understand his own comment that he will implement a 80:20 split between raising taxes and cuts? Perhaps he got confused and is implementing the other way around.

    Oh dear, I think they need to be taught Key Stage 2 Mathematics, it includes ratios.

    As for Brogan in the DT saying Flashman is in a dilemma about a reshuffle because no minister stands out- has Flashman been sniffing something, or perhaps Boy Blunder back to screaming Louise???

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    DCI Gene Hunt says:

    Is it me or are we all experiencing collective deja vu?

    It’s the 80s all over again. The hated Tories sorting out the social & financial mess created by the useless unions and hapless previous Labour government. Easy money for the yuppy bankers & dealers. Flashy cars everywhere. Argentina and France threatening us again. Exocets anyone? Oil prices up. Arab unrest.

    There’s even a Hughie Green (S Cowell) and a potential Adam Ant lookalike called Tulisa…….

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    Gideon says:

    Bitch !

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    Greasy Pole says:

    Mr Murdoch is well enough fallated for the time being. Please wait in the outer office and his secretary will call you in when he’s ready, Mr Miliband.

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    smoggie says:

    Raci­sm provided the inertia not the motivation.

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    Comedy is taken far too seriously says:

    I always prefereed his side-kick. What was his name?

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    Marlborough College public school says:

    Not forgetting Sally Bercow.

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    annette curton says:

    Love it if air traffic control, Border Agency and London Transport went out on strike during the Olympics, the BBC could live-event that with the spare 300 + camera crews.

  47. 47
    Lord Rothermere says:

    Would you believe it?
    Penny Junor, in her book about Prin c ess D 1ana says that she was crackers.

    And would you believe that Junor is receiving deat h t hreats.

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    The sentences were too lenient says:

    I think you will find that the perpetrators were racists.

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    WTF says:

    That’s right lefties only holiday anywhere but France

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    Four-eyed English Genius says:

    “Why Labour ever closed down Grammar Schools I don’t know, it was the ladder for the working classes to climb up.”

    Precisely for that reason. They cannot have voting fodder thinking for themselves!

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    smoggie says:

    And William “Billeh” Conolly – he attended The Govan Academy for Young Scottish Gentlemen.

  52. 52
    some dude says:

    Kevin T that’s simply not true! All the cafeteria staff are black.

  53. 53
    Ed Balls says:

    We don’t reward success

  54. 54
    Vidal Sassoon says:

    Split any hairs lately?

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    smoggie says:

    Or fending for themselves. They were churning out tories by the thousand.

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    Poulty, Lamb and Whitefish says:

    A veritable hard currency compared to the Euro. It’s backed by China.

  57. 57
    Boris I love Stonewall Johnson says:

    that’s the spirt! Keep Buggering On! Or Gove, if On not available.

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    Anonymous says:

    That’s 2 of you putting their heads above the parapet to reveal that a head full of shit leaves no space for brains.

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    annette curton says:

    Tell her not to get in a Mercedes with a pissed up Frenchman.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Its a slightly wierd and forced list – esp with his pop stars.
    For a bit of randomness I looked up what was on TV tonight. The first “comedian” I spotted was Simon Amstell. Comp.

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    We need to know says:

    Was Frankie Boyle educated in a public school?

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    Malcolm Redfellow says:

    Gove’s alma mater is Robert Gordon’s College in Aberdeen: a private, independent school.

    What killed the grammar schools wasn’t Labour: Thatcher closed more of them. No, the end of selection, and the early comprehensives were inspired middle-class aspirant parents who suspected their brats weren’t quite good enough.

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    Legal Crook says:

    Perverse logic by Labour. They hated the Grammar schools because the pupils on growing up tended to vote Tory. Ergo they had to go. Then 40 years later Labour moan that there is no mechanism for taking the talented poorer children and enabling them to move to a different class.

    Speaks volumes about the logic of – orf non logic of labour and identifies why this country is in the state it is.

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    Polly Pot says:

    Why didn’t I get a mention?
    I went to Badminton School.

    {that’s not a joke. thats what it was called}

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    Anonymous says:

    So a small selection of exactly the kind of safe, bland musicians and comedians you might expect a 40-something tory to have heard of were privately educated. Hardly surprising.

    None of the names mentioned, with the exception of Iannucci have actually contributed anything lasting or significant to british culture. Move along, nothing to see here.

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    smoggie says:

    Will Young?

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    SouthEastVoter says:

    While not wanting to support Keith Vaz. It does not matter if the motivation was
    rac ism or not. The crime is horrific and a reason capital punishment should be used.

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    Jam for Tea says:

    Like Mr Weller said ‘What chance have you got against a tie and a crest’? Social mobility is at an end the new middle ages are coming where you social position is defined by birth. The dream of a dynamic, democratic, metriocy is rapidly vanishing. Out political elite are really quite happy about with a few honourable exceptions like Gove.

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    Anonymous says:

    Surely they should be taught more than how to foul up a country?

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    Is that the Olympic flame I can see over in East London or are the kids burning down Superdrug again?

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    Quisling says:

    So I bet you are good at back handers then?

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    Fire Brigade says:

    It’s Kens toupee

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    A Neckless Adenoidal Brummie says:

    I went to a comprehensive (that used to be a grammar school) and it never did me any harm!

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    BRACING WIND!!! says:

    The Bank of England has held interest rates at 0.5%

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    Truth says:

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    iPad says:

    Can’t disagree with that. It should be obvious to all that the woman was severely unhinged.

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    Anonymous says:

    Impossible! That is a description solely for application to wh*te persons.

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    Afghanistan Banana Stand says:

    …..all these people as ‘talented’ …..

    Errr… that list does include Moonbat..

    Perhaps you missed him.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Sorry but I just have to say:
    “popular music is populated by public school boys”

    Gove is a spazz

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    annette curton says:

    I trust the Olympic committee vetted all the applicants for torch carrying and managed to weed out the arsonists.

  82. 82
    Steve Miliband says:

    She learnt all about cocks

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    I Remember You Hoo says:

    How many ahem, “Asian” children did they groom smoggie? I think you will find the answer is zero. Do at le@st try and keep your mind open and free from PC infection.

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    lolathebeautiful says:

    Hang on – I thought it was Crossland who did for grammar schools? Speaking as an ex – grammar school boy meself…

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    Anonymous says:

    For mentioning it, your ISP too has been recorded and you have been reported to Smackhead Mensch, Internet Tsar Chosen One, for the onerous hate crime of mentioning who really runs Britain, France, the US… .

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    I Remember You Hoo says:

    You should know about fellating Murdoch, Labour did it for 15 ye@rs.

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    jgm2 says:

    It does sometimes seem that way. The bedwetters, when confronted with these facts, just whine about it all being a stitch-up but my son recently sat Common Entrance 13+ Scholarship exams and the maths was ‘O’ Level standard. Likewise the English Literature. To get an ‘A’ at scholarship level would easily get you an ‘A’ at ‘O’ Level. I know – I bought the CE past papers and the marking schemes to see what the fuckers were after.

    Like it or not these kids – admittedly intrinsically no smarter than the kids at state school – quis paget entrat – are being taught waaaaaay beyond the same level as they would be in state school. No wonder they out-perform state schools. And that’s before all the clubs and sports that they get to do after school.

    Most state school kids don’t stand a chance. Because they have depressed expectations from themselves, their parents, their teachers and it is in the interests of Labour politicians to keep ‘em down there – grateful for some money looted off ‘the rich’. And why should I give a shit? Every ambitionless state school kid with ambitionless parents, teachers and politicians is one less kid that my kids will have to compete with for a job.

    It ain’t that private schools are somehow cheating. It’s that many state pupils, parents and teachers have no belief or ambition for their own kids, the kids themselves are in no way stretched and it suits Labour to keep it that way.

    I know. I went to state school.

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    bergen says:

    I bet that speech went down like a bucket of cold sick at the Beeb and the Grauniad. If Gove’s card hadn’t been marked before, it will be now.

    Milne at Winchester? Moonbat at Stowe? Laurie Penny privately educated? Priceless.

    My year was the last 11+ year before abolition. I truly hate these scum as much as they hate us.

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    DoE says:

    Followed by many years at the University of Suet

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    I Remember You Hoo says:

    + 150,000,000 innocent victims.

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    FlipC says:

    Perhaps a link to the full speech is in order? I’m surprised Guido didn’t continue with the next paragraph

    “But the sheer scale, the breadth and the depth, of private school dominance of our society points to a deep problem in our country – one we all acknowledge but have still failed to tackle with anything like the radicalism required.”

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    jgm2 says:

    Tom Watson is not ‘all’.

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    Gordon Brown says:


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    jgm2 says:

    Love it if air traffic control, Border Agency and London Transport went out on strike during the Olympics

    You can count on it. An opportunity for pay negotiation like this comes along only once in a lifetime.

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    Mensch says:

    I have noted both your IP addresses as and will be coming to get you. Locating now ……….

    Oh bugger that’s my PC

    LOL I’ll Tweet that

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    The Hon. Comrade Loretto Fettes MP (East Rottenborough) says:

    A spontaneous collective should shut this oik Gove up.

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    jgm2 says:

    And, if she must, then please fasten her seatbelt.

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    Sir William Waad says:

    Guido’s private education at the hands of the Flagellant Brothers, at St Catamite’s College, did him no harm, as we can see.

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    Lord Stansted says:

    It wot sherly williums wot dun it

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    jgm2 says:

    I’m guessing not. Although it wouldn’t surprise me if Jimmy ‘Quagmire’ Carr did.

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    Hollande says:

    Or if in France, once a month

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    smoggie says:

    My point was that fear of being accused of racism was what prevented these people being brought to justice years sooner.

    I understood your point as well so calm down pal.

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    Airey Belvoir says:

    She died because she was ‘too posh to click’ her seatbelt. The front-seat bodyguard lived, as the only one in the car belted in. A pity that nobody has had the nerve to use her death positively in a safety campaign.

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    Penfold says:

    You have to be educated and wealthy to be a Champagne socialist..!!

    Its all very well to spout the rhetoric when you live in Hampstead, have a holiday home in Tuscany, can afford to take 2/3 months off work to re-charge the batteries, and earn a 6 figure salary with private income on top.
    Try telling someone on average earnings with 2 kids at a local comprehensive school that you empathise with them..!

    Come “La Revolucion”, all those t*ssers will be swept away in a tsunami of rage and fervour.


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    annette curton says:

    You are nearly as cynical as I am, and the unions of course.

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    I Remember You Hoo says:

    I’m glad you agree that they are all talent free, self serving mediocrities. Something we can at le@st agree on, regarding the average socialist ‘sleb’.

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    Lord Stansted says:

    and the cleaners.

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    jgm2 says:

    No doubt the fact that inflation is still well above target and has been for the past three or four years is still only a temporary problem due to XYZ and will drop out ..ooooh….sometime next year. Probably.

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    smoggie says:

    Yes, it was Thatcher wot closed dem… along wiv manufactrn and free milk etc etc

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    I’m not crying because I’m drunk. I’m crying because I was so unpopular I was beaten by a French version of Miliband.

    Are you listening Dave? You think the plebes aren’t stupid enough to vote themselves poverty, but they are.

    Look at Diversity? A jumped up collection of no talent, nobodies. They beat Susan Boyle.
    Voters thought that DIVERSITY were a better bet than Boyle because Boyle was supposed to be a bit angry?

    Voters are Le Fucs, Dave! They don’t fucking think..they will vote for a Merde homme just because they don’t like your shoes. or wife. or nose.

    you think they won’t, mon ami, but they will. They really will vote that latrine attendant Miliband and all his cochons back into power. And then they will blame YOU when it all blows up in their faces. .

    I’m quite drunk now..I’d like to go home… but there’s a socialist non entity living in it.

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    tea boy says:


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    lolathebeautiful says:

    …and counting

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    JH says:

    Whereas if a gang of white men had been systematically raping pakistani girls…

    How long would it have taken Vaz, the BBC, Guardian et al to scream about race crimes and how it is all the BeeNPee, EeeDL and UKIPs fault, and how the evil Tories should be ashamed.

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    twat watch says:

    Ooooooh, get you!

    Love & kisses ;)

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    jgm2 says:

    Her brother, Charles Spencer, the hypocritical philanderer and body-snatcher, was approached by RoSPA for precisely that purpose. He declined. In order to preserve her special memory. On his property. Admission £15.

    The man is a c*unt.

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    Mike Hunt says:

    And good ones at that, Margaret Hilda Roberts was an excellent example.

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    Mr Gove AKA Pob says:

    unlike all those superb right wing musicians and comedians like……………

    and um……

    not forgetting………

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    I don't need no doctor says:

    Nokia RPG more like.

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    lolathebeautiful says:

    FFS it was never ‘light touch’ – wrong touch yes. But ‘light’ no – the FSA rule book, if you print it out, stands 8.5ft high (it’ll be higher now). It’s a code for nationalisation by regulation. No wonder it all went tits up.

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    I don't need no doctor says:

    Ah the real Tom Watson, what a hypocrite.

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    Mr Gove AKA Pob says:

    therefore we should celebrate Mr Gove being in his pocket

    I hear your logic

    Excellent defence, well done

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    jgm2 says:

    Tongue in cheek from Gove I’m sure but still pointedly omitting Polly Tuscany.

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    rossman1903 says:

    Michael Gove was educated at Robert Gordons College, which is a fee-paying private school in Aberdeen.

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    Lord Stansted says:

    Whatever happened to Di? Is she still packing supermarket shelves along with Elvis?

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    I Remember You Hoo says:

    The fat fcuk looks the ideal candidate to spe@rhe@d a typically hypocritical government backed anti-obesity campaign. Lecturing the ‘little people’ about cutting down on their wasteful eating habits and making do with much, much less, in future, while of course, filling his face with subsidised gluttonous excess.

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    I don't need no doctor says:

    Livingstone’s full financial accounts please!

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    I don't need no doctor says:

    Rudd – Miliband, the full facts please, as promised by Miliband. You can’t trust a labour MP!

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    Airey Belvoir says:

    I believe that several Catholic priests were severely traumatised after the young Guido molested them.

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    Must get a pseudonym one day says:

    Strange that Penny Junor fails to mention her own ‘history’ with Jug-Ears Charles.

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    I don't need no doctor says:

    So labour supporter what’s your hypocritical point?

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    Spec-saver says:

    Is there a link to the original article? I can’t see one…

  132. 132
    Davey Cameron's bumsex army says:

    he’s had a longstanding interest in young people.

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    I don't need no doctor says:

    Jack Straw the rendition man. So he is thinking of standing down as an MP. Now why would that be?

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    The Young Turk says:

    Gove says he has created 1200 Academies and that from his economic £1.2 billion package for school infrastructure, half would go to LEAs and the other half, £600 million, to fund 100 additional Free Schools.

    Effect, disgruntled State School teachers leave to go to these new schools, and have their terms and conditions changed, not noticing that Osborne is also going to change TUPE rules. This is how they erode the state and have always done it. It is a hollowing out.

    What many people don’t SEEM to see when they look at the tiny number of 600 odd MPs in Parliament, is that most of these people have been put there by people in the Private Sector who want them to work to undermine the very infrastructure which many think they are ostensibly there to Govern via – i.e. the Civil Service, and the 6 million workers comprising the Public Sector. After a while, any decent person who knows what is really the case would not run for election…

    If you also think about Osborne’s promises that by diverting tax-payer’s money to “Free Schools”, and that these, like Academies would raise standards, there’s NO evidence that this ever happens or ever could happen, as ability is genetic. It isn’t the teachers (environment) which basically matters, it’s what eggs and sperm one is made from that counts.

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    Mike says:

    But they weren’t closed by Maggie – they went at the hands of (mainly) Labour controlled Education Authorities. That’s why there are no Grammars left where they are most needed, in our inner cities!

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    jgm2 says:

    +1. Indeed. Fucking useless the FSA. They measured their ‘success’ by the sheer amount of rules and regulation they could generate and the number of one-man-band independent financial advisers they could prosecute for not getting the right number of disclaimers signed.

    Banks lending 110% mortgages? Nothing to see here. Self-cert mortgages backed up by photoshopped pay-slips? No fucking problem. Consumers borrowing 110bn quid a year more than the long-term average? No fucking problem.

    Dave Bloke (IFA) doesn’t get Agnes Potter to sign some disclaimer? £1000 fine and shut down.

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    Anonymous says:

    Money might buy you an education, but it sure doesn’t make you smart…

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    Davey Cameron's bumsex army says:

    he’s seriously passionate about everything to do with young people.

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    Thought controller says:

    You both may still be allowed to repent by means of a forced visit to a Polish ex-WW2 work camp. It won’t mean complete forgiveness, mind.

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    Frank's son says:

    Very well written, jmg2. Summed it up nicely.

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    Davey Cameron's bumsex army says:

    It’s what people who are full of shit look like.

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    SAS - NOT !!!!! says:

    errrrrrr….. Well done Mr Straw for USING rendition

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    Mike Hunt says:


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    Joss Askin says:

    What is Lansley hiding?

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    SAS - NOT !!!!! says:

    errrrrr didnt Dave and Gideon also state that thay would publish their tax accounts …… still counting the days

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    I Remember You Hoo says:

    I understand one thing, the politicising of public education, from Williams onwards, has been an expensive disaster.

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    genghiz the kahn says:

    Have a look at the way comprehensives have become bigger, funds were ‘withheld’ by the LSC unless schools were amalgamated.

    Very few private day or boarding schools have more than 1000 children on roll in the 11-18 age bracket. Yet the politicians and media seem to think that successful state schools have to admit more children.

    State schooling is shambolic, because so many opinion formers and politicos do their level best to avoid it – Harman, Abbot, Blair and others found ways and means for not sending their kids to 1600 + comps.

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    annette curton says:

    Almost unbelievably but at least one bank (think it was RBS) was giving out 130 % mortgages, but it all started in America.

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    Anonymous says:

    Gove went to Robert Gordon’s College. He is not state educated.

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    And he’s a public school man too – Brentwood and Leeds University.

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    pigs in space says:

    But also Ted Heath, so epic fail there.

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    jgm2 says:

    and that these, like Academies would raise standards, there’s NO evidence that this ever happens or ever could happen, as ability is genetic. It isn’t the teachers (environment) which basically matters, it’s what eggs and sperm one is made from that counts.

    So, by your own argument we should simply close down all the state schools since there is absolutely nothing that can be done to improve the life chances of the pupils in their care. You are a Labour apologist and I want my tax back.

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    annette curton says:

    Which could also be a euphemism for don’t join the Europe*n Union.

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    Lord Stansted says:

    Did HRH give her a duchy original?

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    I Remember You Hoo says:

    Why would I want to defend Gove? I have no time for what remains of the Conservative party or someone like Gove, who pointedly refuses even to consider, bringing back selective education for the brightest children, but is all in favour of private education for children of the wealthiest.

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    Maximus says:

    In fact it won’t mean any forgiveness whatever. No, you will have to redeem yourselves. Do you know what that means? Yes – value. Hard cash. Now and for ever. Pay!

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    Maximus says:

    RTFA: It is undeniable that the individuals I have named are hugely talented

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    Comment to Mark Easton BBC says:

    51. FarePlay
    I think the vast majority of the BBC are annoyed the strikes aren’t bigger Mark; let’s face it the BBC has a vested interest in massive public spending. Outside of the very noticably “sympathetic” bubble at the BBC people are outraged that these “workers” feel entitled to be somehow be exempt from the economic crash, caused in part by the last Govt’s public sector and benefit vote bribery.

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    Isn't "activist writer" an oxymoron ? says:

    And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why we’re all in this together …….

    …… apart, that is, from the 70% of people who don’t vote; the 80% who don’t take a paper; the 85% who haven’t heard of any of these people and, of those that have heard the name Laurie Penny, the 99% that think he’s a bloke.

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    jgm2 says:

    State schooling is shambolic because any time anybody tells the bedwetting opinion-formers some self-evident truths they circle the wagons of self-preservation.

    So schools have to be ‘inclusive’. You can’t get rid of the disruptive fuckers whose worthless parents don’t give a shit. Send ‘em off to some training gulag so they can practice slopping out for when they’re older.

    You can’t get rid of the useless teachers. Not that they’re all useless – I’m sure many would rather do a good job but there are a fair few bed-blockers and ineffective teachers who are fucking useless. We all went to school. We could all tell you who was a good teacher and who was fucking useless. The schools know. The kids themselves know. But these fuckers just keep taking the money and, by their uselessness, ruining kids chances.

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    I Remember You Hoo says:

    Is being anti the murderous cult of socialism, the sole preserve of the right dimwit? Try thinking before posting sometime, you may end up looking less of an ars3.

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    Sir Terry Leahy says:

    Didn’t do me much harm either.

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    Maximus says:

    +1. When Ms Maximae went to secondary school I found to my disgust the Head was fully engaged, both theoretically and practically, in manipulating expectations – downwards. Cnut.

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    Anonymous says:

    Sir Ian McEllan – Privately educated
    Mark Radcliffe BBC Radio presenter – Privately educated
    Monica Ali Booker Prize winner – Privately educated
    Ralph Little Actor – Privately educated
    Victoria Wood Comedienne – Privately educated
    Victoria Derbyshire BBC Radio Presenter – Privately educated
    Ben Kingsley Actor – Privately Educated
    Mike Danson Owner of The Spectator – Privately Educated

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    Anonymous says:

    That’s because asian children are looked after better by their parents instead of being allowed to go out on the piss with their tits hanging out and their knickers on view.

    Asia is however a well known travel destination for hordes of brit pee dos, while chris tians have their pray delivered directly to church instead.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Banks are supposed to know what they are up to.

    Sweetie shops aren’t regulated so that they don’t throw their wares all down the street and let kiddies take them all away and not pay.

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    Nom Dom Nom says:

    ability is genetic. It isn’t the teachers which basically matters

    I’ve read some crap in my time but this takes the biscuit. Its like you are saying they are mutually exclusive ergo …..

    1. A genetically none genius child with a very good teacher – waste of time don’t bother
    2. A genetic genius with a fuckwit teacher – reciting Homer by age 3

    That’s the strongest argument I’ve ever heard to get rid of teachers.

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    Despite never having a job in his life and him and his brother inheriting a few million from there dad.

    You could put a red rosette on a turd and these mongs would still vote for it.

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    Johann Hari says:

    I went to Harvard and Yale and I’m now a visiting professor of journalism, biomedical sciences and astrophysics at both of them. Some of my students have been Lyndon Baines Johnson, JK Galbraith, John F Kennedy and Gary Coleman from Diff’rent Strokes.

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    Ah! Monika says:

    Independent on Sunday editor called in to see Leveson over Coulson story.

    Poor game, but couldn’t use the Guido defense.

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    Anonymous says:

    Oh and the late John Peel BBC Radio presenter – Privately Educated

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    Larry Pennis is her trucker’s name.

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    Backwoodsman says:

    Moonbat Stoic – explains a lot, ghastly fucked up types with serious chips on their shoulders.

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    Bob Crow says:

    i Downt beleeve in pryvat edukayshone!

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    Maximus says:

    You don’t get a lot of metal on the Bolshevist Broadcasting Cruise ship, despite the fact that arguably in the last 20 years it is metal that has produced the most innovative and interesting (yay, even “challenging”) development of pop music. But then there’s something about metal that seems strangely unappealing to the public school educated mentality. That it’s not some metaphorized modern equivalent of… hymns?

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    Dickie says:

    I went to private school. I also attended a very expensive college.

    I wouldn’t say it was the quality of the education that got me where I am today – I wasn’t particularly good at anything. In fact I was a slacker to be honest. Couldn’t be arsed most of time, smoked pot and achieved abysmal grades.

    I have to be truthful and say it was my fathers contacts in the city that got the best jobs that paid well. My private education had nothing to do with it.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    I’d want all my money back if I paid, and my offspring went to Leeds.

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    I bet says:

    And 90% of the worthwhile comments on here from privately educated trolls.

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    I Remember You Hoo says:

    “The English, as a race, are not worth saving”. Jack Straw.

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    Fatty Holly says:

    “Neckless adenoidal Brummie” indeed! I’ll have you know I’m Kidderminster born and bred!

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    Forkbender says:

    The senior officer ranks of the armed forces are overwhelmimgly private/public school, what a lot of this sort of thing means is that Gover has a lot of work to do get state schools up to speed, so what is he doing about it?

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    Owen Jones went to oxford on a scholarship.
    Not sure from which school we went though.

    He’s always talking about his primary school being a state school. What was the secondary school?

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    jgm2 says:

    Isn’t Stowe for the ones who are too thick to go to Cheltenham?

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    ah says:

    Remember the Definition.#

    Education is what is left after you forget everything you have learned.

    You’ve even forgotten the apostrophe in “fathers”

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    Cheryl "Basher" [don't call me] Cole says:

    and the toilet attendants…

    wye aye ow much fora spritz uv owe da toilet???

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    Raving Loon says:

    It’s that way because, statistically speaking, Quentin who went to Eton is more likely to end up being successful compared to Tyrone from Borstal. I’m not saying it’s right, that’s just the way it is.

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    Diversity consultant on an annual salary of £60,000 says:

    I think it’s outrageous the way these muslìm men have been treated by our judicial system and our right wing racìst media. They have the right to practise their religion. Who are we to question their culture? If raping children is part of their culture and faith, we must respect it.

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    Anonymous says:

    Yes I was privately educated. I went to the same school as McEllan, Radcliffe, Ali, Little and Danson

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    The Young Turk says:

    As ability is genetic, it can’t be rectified by pouring in money e.g. by teaching, as one can’t raise intelligence by education, one can only equip it.

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    citizen banned says:

    Us truckers has handles, darlin. Names is for ponces.

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    Diane Abbott says:

    Private schools are a disgrace! They’re for dividing and ruling honkys!

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    Anonymous says:

    Sorry That was meant to be Danson of The New Statesman not the Spectator. Maybe my parents should ask for their money back :/

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    Radiohead says:

    Arrest this girl
    her Hitler hairdo
    is making me feel ill
    and we have crashed her party

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    SouthEastVoter says:

    Do any of the striking public sector workers have any idea where the money to pay for their pensions come from?

    A) The Money Tree
    B) Taxpayers

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    jgm2 says:

    Banks are supposed to know what they are up to but I was screaming from the rooftops a decade ago that this was all going to shit (metaphorically – on another forum) and there was no end of vested interests (homeowners convinced that their property increasing by 15% per year was entirely normal and down to their good sense, Labour apologists going on about how I was simply jealous of the miracle economy wrought by the Maximum Imbecile etc etc) telling me how I was wrong.

    Mervyn King admitted he should have been screaming from the rooftops but was hamstrung by the Maximum Imbecile. Powerless to act and afraid to blow the whistle because he knew he’d just lose his pension and (inevitable) peerage and the Imbecile would just get a more compliant ‘independent’ governor of the BoE.

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    In the public interest says:

    Meanwhile, the government has said that walkouts by prison service staff in England and Wales are unlawful.

    THEN FFS prosecute.

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    Nom Dom Nom says:

    Strange I cant see this running on the BBC news site. How odd, maybe I’m just not looking hard enough

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    Same Old the World Over says:

    Who you know not…..

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    “You can’t get rid of the disruptive fuckers whose worthless parents don’t give a shit”

    That is of course a big problem, and as things stand the bog-std comps have to trade their idiots. There are no “referal units” or specialist schools for them. Perhaps a mixture of “pupil premium” and Free schools could do the trick. In auction, theres some dicks out there who you’d not get rid of for less than £100k and they’d still cost more than £100k a year to have in school.

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    Forkbender says:

    It is to hoped with all this messing about the education system that Gove gets it right, like the NHS it has been messed about with so often in the past 40 or more years. Billions of pounds have been wasted over that period and judging by various comments the actual level of standard is slowly dropping, let us hope that it does not end up like the fiasco of the new aircraft carrier reverting to the original plans, do our lords and masters really know what they are doing or they just self serving idiots acting for themselves and their own, that goes for any political party

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    jgm2 says:

    Loving this. That should streamline the process of getting rid of shit staff too then. Since there is nothing that can be done to make them any better we can do away with all this ‘sent for retraining’ bollocks that just delays getting rid of the useless fuckers for another six months.

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    Drop a Daisy cutter on the BBC says:

    Kent has plenty of good state schools, just ask fatPolly and Hattie Hatemen, they sent their kids to them.

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    jgm2 says:

    Why prosecute them when you can fire ‘em for breach of contract and get somebody in who does want a job on those T&C.

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    WVM says:

    Lazy bastards….. Lock ‘em all up!

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    Steve Miliband says:

    His parents haven’t decided yet

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    I Remember You Hoo says:

    Ahem, good pint, except you fail to mention the most important FACT. These men were not exploiting women as you pretend. They were preying on CHILDREN and you are attempting to justify it, you sick perverted scumbag.

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    Forkbender says:

    Who or what or Coldplay or Keane some sort of weeny boppers or something?

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    Gordon Brown's Nokia Army says:

    FSA…. Just who the fuck do they think they are?

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    I remember very vividly someone from a buy to let sort of organisation saying that houses would double in price every five (10?) years forever.

    Again. The folks in the banks are supposed to know not to hand out sweeties to such fools. Perhaps they should have been paid more in order for them not to be quite so blindly optimistic.

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    Jeffrey Bernard says:

    According to wiki she attended a private school before failing her 11+ and therafter going to a secondary modern. Not sure where she sent her children to school, although her step-daughter apparently attended Westminster School for 6th form.

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    Davey Cameron's bumsex army says:

    “Gove Goes For the Old Boys in the Media”

    Where does he go for the young boys?

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    Fish says:

    There’s been a lot of Fatcher about today.

    Listening to Five Live, I’d filled my bingo card by 11.00 today.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    I remember very vividly someone from a buy to let sort of organisation saying that houses would double in pr-I-ffs-ce every five (10?) years forever.

    Again. The folks in the banks are supposed to know not to hand out sweeties to such fools. Perhaps they should have been paid more in order for them not to be quite so blindly optimistic.

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    Jeffrey Bernard says:

    PS: Perhaps Polly resisted the school fees in favour of a holida villa in Tuscany. It is important, after all, to be “in touch”

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    SouthEastVoter says:

    Will the retail industry see an increase in sales like they did during the November Strike?

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    Steve Miliband says:

    wasn’t he an MP once?

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    Nom Dom Nom says:


    I think this is his defence for having shit staff i.e. it makes no difference what the quality of the teacher is the result will be the same.

    As someone who was inspired by my Chemistry teacher and did rather well in Chemistry, as opposed to my Geology teacher who couldn’t care less and therefore neither did I, Young Turk is wrong.

    I’m waiting for the next one that claims that genetics is subject dependant rather than just intelligence related :-D

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    Ah! Monika says:

    Would make a nice Letter to The Times.

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    LPF says:

    Who put us 1,000,000,000 in the red ? I forget…once thats paid up you can talk, otherwise keep it shut!

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    Anonymous says:

    No, it is not a reflection on the state educations system. Instead, it is further proof, if any were needed, that Britain is a shockingly unfair country where children born to parents without oodles of cash will be discrimminated against. They will be denied the best schooling, they will be denied access to the avenues of power and so on. The grip these bastards have on this country is so complete that it beggars belief. And people keep voting for them.

    Oh and before anyone gets stuck in, Labour and Liberal are pretty much the same as the Tories.

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    Forkbender says:

    I don’t think any of the little darlings know what to do about education (or come to think of it anything else) as long as they are spending money to show that they are doing something really vital and important in their own eyes, trouble is, what they do affects every one in this country and they do not seem to get it right each time they mess about, someone has to pick up the tab

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    Fish says:

    + lots

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    jgm2 says:

    I agree the banks should not have been handing this money over to jackasses. But once it was brought to the government’s attention and the Money Programme (I think) did a big expose back in about 2003 then was the time to act. But they didn’t. Not because they had any philosophical issues with intervening – they were happily ba*nn*ing smoking in public and telling us how much fruit and veg to eat and so on. But because they knew that the only thing dr*i*v*ing this ‘miracle economy’ was insane house pr*i*ce rises and insane levels of consumer borrowing.

    And the only reason they were getting elected was because of the feel good glow created by all this borrowed money. So they did nothing. Worse, they cut interests rates as necessary any time the flames looked like dying down.

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    oh says:

    “Education is what is left after you forget everything you have learned.”

    They used to call it “common sense.”

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    Jimmy says:

    Footlights reserves

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    WVM says:

    Public sector worker’s always seem to answer that with “but we are tax payers too” so by that logic they all pay for their own pensions in full ?

    Which of course, is total bollocks!

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    Steve Miliband says:

    What you know about who you know

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    oooh says:


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    Jeremy Thorpe says:

    “Lib Dem Fiddler… ” ??
    Are you a fiddler as well as a shirtlifter then ?

    I didn’t know that . Come into that great graftfest in the sky old boy.

    Make yourself at home !!

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    Forkbender says:

    So now we know Guido is a lefty

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    Trevor Phillips says:


    Well said.

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    backs to the wall game says:

    Monster prick

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    Jeremy Thorpe says:

    What about the meat rack on the Bois de Boulogne on a Saturday night ?

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    The Young Turk says:

    On the contrary, when teachers are blamed for poor performing inner city schools (for example) and are attempted to be sacked, one should consider that perhaps it was not ALL their fault. You cannot make silk purses out of sow’s ears….etc. etc.

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    Anonymous says:

    Dave is a shining example of a fast tracked, privileged, privately educated moron who has done nothing for the country.

    If the state was more interested in polishing raw, non public school talent – the majority of the country – the pool to draw from would be much larger and more talented.

    Result – a booming Britain.

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    9:59? Fuck that says:

    That reminds me: Did anyone see that utter c unt Ben Elton on telly this morning?

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    jrh says:

    Oh save us from genetic determinists, perhaps their retardedness is in theior genes…

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    Jack (I work for the KGB) Jones says:

    I was unfortunately educated in a bog standard comprehensive school and wished I had gone to a nearby old Grammar school that for ten years after it closed tried to hold onto the level of excellence it once had until Labour finally destroyed it completely so it is now another bog standard school with crap results and teaching. The 11 + should never have been axed as it was the only way for a bright child from a poor background to receive an excellent education to help them compete with public schools. An elderly friend of mine is a case in point. He was born in 1929 to an extremely poor family and although his parents wanted him to go on to University as he had a bright mind, they never thought it possible until he passed the 11 plus. Once he passed the 11 plus, he received financial backing to go to school and later on to gain a degree at Cambridge University, receiving a scholarship. He was successful in life and even though from a working class family, no an extremely poor background, he achieved all he could from his chance to go to a Grammar school. He dislikes the way the left have destroyed the only chances for bright children from poor backgrounds to get on in academia, in subjects that are more challenging than studies of the Beatles or other such nonsense degrees. The left wing have ruined the chances of many ordinary poor and working class children from achieving what they are capable of, all for the sake political dogma that wishes to bring down people to the same level. The dogmatic rich left wing will continue to send their children to fee-paying schools or public schools to enable their children to achieve whilst they deny that chance to children from working classes.

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    Warden says:

    I’ve told you before Jimmy your supposed to take two of the green ones every morning! Deary me, now I have to go get your special jacket again.

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    Rage Against the Politcal Elite says:

    Dont believe the MEDIA and Government Stats. The dont take, PFI and Public Pensions Provsion into account, Circa 4 – 5 Trillion. Also the Banks Toxic ASSEST dwarf these numbers as they drain every last penny from the real economy to prop up their losses

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    Forkbender says:

    So we are now to all assume that coloured folk are not prejudiced in any way in general they all love one another, pull the other one

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    A Royal Furniture Maker says:

    You see that advert above the Cmment box ??

    I wouldn’t buy any of that crap if you gave ME the money they are asking let alone pay THEM for it .

    Characteristic British ( ? ) workmanship again to the fore.

    ( Obviously you’ll block this one moddy … can’t upset the advertisers can we ??)

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    A Royal Furniture Maker says:

    Moddy once again you leave me speechless . Thank you !!

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    Gordon Brown says:


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    ted danson says:

    Cheers mate!

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    Drop a Daisy cutter on the BBC says:

    Don’t forget fatty Abbott went to Grammar school and Hattie went to a posh private school

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    Nom Dom Nom says:

    All I can assume Young Turk is that you have found yourself in that situation.

    I would blame your teacher (but never yourself)

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    moddy says:

    Shussh. I’ve got a stopwatch on our unwanted visitor….

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    PC Plod says:


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    He was an idiot impersonator.

    Quite convincing too.

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    Nom Dom Nom says:

    a young Gordo

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    ffs! says:

    What a fucking idiotic wanker Brown is. Who the fuck in the their right mind would want to buy that risible piece of excrement?

    He’s utterly bonkers. He’s been swimming off Dalgety bay again.

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    Drop a Daisy cutter on the BBC says:

    But notice how the BBC never point that out

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    Ah! Monika (Mail) says:

    Border staff stop and search white air passengers to ‘even up racial mix’

    A newly published report states that white air passengers are being stopped and searched at Gatwick airport to balance numbers against other ethnicities.

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    A Royal Furniture Maker says:

    Are you by any chance that Dickie who was once a Royal Correspondent for a none too famous local radio station ?

    If so we’ve probably met . In fact I’m amazed you’re still alive as I recall our “meeting” was on a particularly frosty winters evening at Sandringham and I distinctly remember asking you if we could throw you on the fire along with all the other peasants to heat the grand hall a little more. Obviously you must have declined the offer.

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    Maximus says:

    You mean like the Ed Bollocks vanity cook book for schools? Presumably the Rt Hon Cobblers would say, if not “So what?”, that his vanity project had diversity in it.

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    Anonymous says:

    “It ain’t that private schools are somehow cheating. It’s that many state pupils, parents and teachers have no belief or ambition for their own kids, the kids themselves are in no way stretched and it suits Labour to keep it that way.”

    That is it in a nutshell: lack of ambition and zero expectations. Some teachers/parents/students just can’t be ar$ed!

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    Disney says:

    Do they do family day tickets and reduced entry on Tuesday mornings?

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    jgm2 says:

    I’ll agree with Young Turk about one thing. If inner city schools are failing it almost certainly isn’t (purely) because of shit staff. It’ll be shitty pupils and even more shitty parents.

    There’s a private school nearby to us called ‘Christs Hospital’ it is funded by the City of London and hands out free education (dependent on parental income) to residents of some London Borough or other. That London Borough seems to have been 100% infiltrated by Ghanain immigrants from what I can see any time our kids play matches there.
    We happened to be there for a match on an Open Day once and I overheard some Ghanain woman spe*aking in broken English and crying with gratitude for the free place her kid had been offered. The great gift of a free private education. A gift that too many of our homegrown fuckwits and their waster parents and grandparents would spend on a flash c*ar before they’d spend a cent educating their kids.

    It will be interesting to compare the results of kids of the motivated parents who send their kids to a FREE private school compared to their waster contemporaries in whatever London shithole they’ve been plucked from.

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    Elsie Beattie (83 and a quarter) says:

    My TV has been behaving rather oddly recently, dear. All I get is five channels of snow these days.

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    screw the lot of them says:

    Thanks. My memory of how truly awful he is had faded somewhat. What an utter fucking loon.

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    jgm2 says:

    If the state was more interested in polishing raw, non public school talent – the majority of the country – the pool to draw from would be much larger and more talented.

    Result – a booming Britain.

    I agree. Unfortunately Labour is interested only in creating excuses as to why non-public school kids have no hope of ever being successful because the private schools are somehow ‘cheating’ when they get these terrific exam results and churn out articulate, confident, well-spoken, well-read young men and women who then further cheat the system by going to all the best universities and getting all the best jobs.

    The bastards.

    The reason public schools can do all that is because the kids going in are (mainly) the children of educated, successful parents who, in their turn, believe in the value of a good education. Whereas the pupils going into the state system are, in many cases, the children of parents who are at best indifferent if not outright hostile and see school as a state-sponsored day-care centre. And many of the staff are institutionally conditioned to feel the same way.

    And 28% of the voters believe that the best way to achieve a booming Britain is to take money off folk who have earned it and hand it to the parents of these fuckers.

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    Andy Coulson - Call me Dave's toxic m8 says:

    I’m on TV!

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    EPIC FAIL!!!!! says:

    “That’s because asian children are looked after better by their parents”……….”Asia is however a well known travel destination for hordes of brit pee dos”

    Do you ever think before writing such contradictory bollocks?

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    Mornington Crescent says:

    Oh, Bill, how right you are. My late and much missed Guv’nor, Georges Frêche, former President of France’s Langudoc-Roussillon region, said as much (and a lot more). Les cons sont cons…

    Merci Georges…

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    Maximus says:

    The issue here is not vicarious identification with the imagined hurt of some person of little achievement now dead, but real identification with a mythology that includes vicarious suffering followed by apotheosis. La Junor is being read as implying that that is crackers.

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    Keith Vaz says:

    This has nothing to do with race.

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    Sir William Waad says:

    I don’t think Jimmy Carr was educated. I think they just inflated him. They took one of Harriet Harman’s used latex catsuits, connected it to the chocolate starfish of a flatulent elephant and – pfffrrrt! – there he was.

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    Sciatico says:

    To breed winners you have to breed losers.
    —- Sciatico 2012

  272. 272

    Only labour activists say ‘Tory-led’ coalition. Its on all the handouts.
    But in the real world no-one ever says that.

    You should stop using it. Its like writing ‘this is a party political broadcast’ .
    Just makes people switch off as its most likely to be propaganda.

  273. 273
    The Young Turk says:

    Nom Dom Nom and jgm2

    Re genes

    That there ARE differences in prevalence rates is a function of gene-barriers having been at work for a long time, centuries. Some of these barriers were and still are geographic which facilitated unseen endogamy, some were religious, shaping endogamy. One example is the higher rate of sensory SEN disorders seen in South Asian Muslim families, another is the high rate of breast cancer due to BRCA1 and BRCA2 genes in the Ashkenazi and endogamy, another is the high rate of Prostate cancer due to CAGn repeats in Black Caribbean males. The list goes on and on. What we call the higher disruptive behaviours (BESD) in some groups in our schools could be partly explained by non-adaptability to the specific environment, e.g. trying to encourage young Black Males to improve their verbal behaviour skills when these are essentially a universal FEMALE genetic disposition. Trying to make people do what they are not genetically designed to do just makes them angry, frustrated, upset and failures. Good behaviour management is all about sound assessment of what people can naturally do and then appositely placing them where they can do what they are best designed to do by their inheritance, not assuming that we all are equal and then deciding that those who aren’t just don’t “try” hard enough etc. A lot of people seem to have made the mistake of believing that the Null Hypothesis is metaphysically true, and that is because they don’t understand probability, statistics and the relationship to genetics and demography.

    Most of our education system is thus radically misguided if not subversive as a consequence. It wasn’t so before the 60s. At one time it was much better informed by research, and then came Libertarian sociology and modern “psychology” which masqueraded as LEFTIST. Pointing this out today is very unpopular given that so many have invested so much in rhetoric to “get on” .

  274. 274
    passing wino says:

    Snow on the BBC, Elsie? You should ask for a refund.

  275. 275
    Nom Dom Nom says:

    Its good to keep his ineptitude to the front of mind, lest one let’s ones guard down

  276. 276
    Anonymous says:

    You may not rate them, but these people finished their schools with a decent education and have made something of themselves; they aren’t sitting in their tax-payer funded home swigging lager, watching Jeremy Kyle and signing on!

  277. 277
    Jeremy Clarkson says:


  278. 278
    Steve lloyd. says:

    Question. Would we have seen pursuit, let alone arrest and detention under a Labour goverment. My instinct is no. At least now the police have had there shackles removed and can go after the rest of these enrichers, without fear or favour. Some credit where some credit is due.

  279. 279

    The sad fact is that all the Lefty egalitarian old boys and girls mentioned will look down on Mr. Gove because he is a Scholarship boy.

  280. 280
    Geoff, England (not Britain or 'United' KIngdom) says:

    Maybe the officers, but not in the ranks.

  281. 281
    Maximus says:

    Best obit ever for the Great Scotch McBusturd. Brecht couldn’t improve it. H/t to you, sir.

  282. 282

    Have all the border and immigration workers gone on off on a demo leaving long queses at airports and posts? if so, how will we know?

  283. 283
    Geoff, England (not Britain or 'United' KIngdom) says:

    I’ll give you a clue. She probably didn’t send her kids to a comprehensive in Bermondsey or Dagenham.

  284. 284
    SAS - NOT !!!!! says:


    Coulson’s testimony is full —- “””I know nothing””

  285. 285
    Geoff, England (not Britain or 'United' KIngdom) says:

    Yes, it was him, and Shirley Williams was his main partner in crime. They both went to grammar and/or private schools, which is most likely a complete shock to you.

  286. 286
    SAS - NOT !!!!! says:

    Not happy enough with annoying , nurses, cops, squadies, the young, women, pensioners…you now seem intent on annoying light entertainers, sports man and woman, and just about anyone associated with the media.

    Pretty much leaves you with only the over 70 blue rinses…..well done

  287. 287
    box ticker's apprentice says:

    Did you remember to take a brolly?

  288. 288
    George "spank me now" Osborne says:


  289. 289
    Philip says:

    That was why they closed it down.

  290. 290
    al-Rahdni, Dangerfield says:

    H-e-e-y, no respect! I’ll tell ya, it ain’t easy bein’ a groomer! All these trashy slags ya gotta put up with to find one really good one! “Bugger off, you sand monkey!” I get no respect, none at all!

  291. 291
    Mr Gove AKA Pob says:

    Oh, I’m sorry

    So you really are describing Chris Martin as being an ardent Soclialist murder cult member?

    Your posts really are the hysterical, overblown hyperbolic ramblings of an over excited adolescent.

  292. 292
    keredybretsa says:

    I mean like innit, was always like that, know what I mean. The posh geezers went to private schools like, made fings easier for them later on like. But lotsathem are still as thick as two planks still they find jobs, or have jobs found for them, know what I mean!!! We had one in our office once, daddy was a Lord or summat, he was a real whanker (posh spelling) useless twat.

  293. 293
    Eric Pickles says:

    Sounds like the kind of government i would be honoured to serve in. As long as I don’t actually have to do anything, of course.

  294. 294
    Harry Stottle says:

    But you can’t teach common sense. That’s …. well, common sense, isn’t it ?

  295. 295
    rick says:

    Right on Bro’ – Darwin was wrong – we is awl eeqwal.

  296. 296
    Harry Stottle says:

    But you can’t teach common sense. That’s …. well, common sense, isn’t it ?

  297. 297
    Charlie Chaplin says:

    No, he lost me after about 3 seconds

  298. 298
    Handycock Capo di Capo Portsmouth says:

    I attended Copnor junior school and left with no qualifications and have never since gained any. None of my ‘boys’ have any qualifications either. Just goes to show that success does not come out of going to a posh private Tory school. Me and my ‘boys’ have done alright. boaz.

  299. 299
    Walthamstow Dogtrack says:

    Thanks for all your help in Walthamstow the other night John. Sorry your time was wasted by the 4 politicians who voted as a block for the backhanders on offer.

  300. 300
    Jimmy says:

    Try it at 4:50

  301. 301
    just sayin says:

    Michael McIntyre was educated at public school but finished his education at a state school when the money ran out.

  302. 302
    Just bill it as flowers and hospitality says:

    The music business is full of posh c unts who bleat about socialist values in order to

    A Fit in
    B Appear wonderful human beings
    C Assange their conciences due to the guilt trip of spending their vast wealth on cocaine.

  303. 303
    giant gonad says:

    So it’s Gove against the poshers.

  304. 304
    just sayin says:

    So if we closed all the public schools we’d lose the BBC, the Guardian, an Army that hasn’t won a proper war in 70 years, Michael McIntyre and Coldplay but we’d keep Lee Evans and Rhod Gilbert?

    Sounds like we should close the public schools. Looks like they are the cause of all our problems.

  305. 305
    theantisocialist says:

    Sadly, one of Mrs T’s greatest mistakes was to close down more grammars than labour managed to. It’s just a shame we have a cretin like Cameron who doesn’t appreciate their value.

  306. 306
    Anonymous says:

    Bruce Dickinson form popular beat combo Iron Maiden was a public school boy…

  307. 307
    The Provinces says:

    They really can’t get rid of disruptive kids as a result of ‘inclusion’. One teacher-friend of mine had to tolerate a child who would scream and run around the classroom, often disrupting the other children’s education for hours at a time. The head had to spend months gathering evidence that they were a basket-case before they could be rid of them.. despite resistance from the SENCO who thought the sun shone out of their disruptive arse.
    Unfortunately “inclusion” is really shorthand for “no special schools anymore”. Can you imagine rich parents tolerating this sort of thing in a paid for school? How is it ‘choice’ if the state schools are forced to take children whose behaviour is bordering on psychotic and whose parents are allowed to exist in a state of denial?
    These kids get one chance at literacy and numeracy and it’s being ruined by the presence of children who would have been in a secure unit a few years ago.

  308. 308
    the advanced stages of CiF says:

    I love the shows the old Mosley brigade put on every now and again. It’s like some ‘living history’ re-enactment society meshed with ufologist, truther, freakery and Grauniad/Beeb ‘progressivism’.

  309. 309
    LLanabba Castle says:

    That might explain why Gove is overawed by Laurie Penny’s alma mater. Had he gone to a Leading School like Dave, he would not have described Brighton College as one of the “premier league institutions”. Vauxhall Conference would be closer to the mark.

  310. 310
    Groundhog Day says:

    Yes and there’s a useless Democrat in the White House too

  311. 311
    The Grim Reaper says:


  312. 312
    ho hum says:

    The more you learn, the more you forget.
    The more you forget the less you know.
    The less you know, the less you forget.
    The less you forget the more you know.

    So why learn?

  313. 313
    ho hum says:

    I was under the misapprehension that the Prison Service had already been privatised. Must have dreamt that.

  314. 314
    Neil says:

    I would put Brucie as the Hughie character.

  315. 315
    edmartin says:

    is Gove’s point that a narrow and shallow clique of (for the most part) men, deprived of normal family life in childhood, are largely responible for the current state of affairs?

  316. 316
    tottenham chutzpah says:

    it used to be said that it was cheaper to send children to public (sic) shool than to send them to borstal

    could messrs gove/ clarke / osborne update us on this important economic comparison

    its related to the conundrum – do we pay the allegedly gifted to bilk us through the tax system as public servants, or just let them screw us sideways whilst calling it business?

    its the lesser of two weevils – as the ships cook said banging stale biscuits on his table

  317. 317
    Elgin's lost his Marbles says:

    “If you can read this, thank a teacher” = teaching union car sticker from the 80s.

    “If you can’t read this, blame a teacher” = reality of State education.

  318. 318
    Biased Broadcasting Corporation says:


  319. 319
    Trahison des Clercs says:

    Nothing wrong with Vauxhall Conference. They turned out many able people- self included. harrumph!

  320. 320
    Spartacus says:

    Not state educated but a ‘Schoolhill Warrior’

  321. 321
    Uncle Joe says:

    ….’without oodles of cash will be discrimminated against. ‘


    Typo or state school/

  322. 322
    Uncle Joe says:

    Mr. Rusbridger’s grand piano lid is waiting for you provincial Kulak !

  323. 323
    Uncle Joe says:

    ” ..their pray delivered ”


    Typo or pig ignorance?

  324. 324
    An English Person says:

    Jackass Straw isn’t worth preserving.

  325. 325
    Uncle Joe says:

    You don’t even rank high on the wits (sic)that troll this blog, or should that be feckwits?
    Mr Gove AKA Pob

  326. 326
    Thatcher's Iron Stiletto says:

    Gove, for me, is the best the Tory party have to offer by way of potential future leaders. He’s fearless and doesn’t default onto the path of least resistance. He has conviction. Voters respect conviction, even if they don’t agree with the policies.

  327. 327
    tottenham chutzpah says:

    if you can read this – your nicked!

    if you can’t – guess what mate?

  328. 328
    Charlie says:

    Dept of Education and most eduvcations departments were socialist by the mid 1960s. Heath did not realise the socialist domination of the humanity departments and would have not supported Thatcher.

  329. 329
    Haribo Halfwit says:

    Williams also attended a private school in the USA from 1940 before returning here in 1943. Citation here.

  330. 330
    Haribo Halfwit says:

    If the in-house strike call by BECTU and the NUJ is approved (result out 21st May), we could be the only people in the world without wall to wall coverage of London 2012.

    There seems to be no option for comments on this story on their website.

  331. 331
    The Don says:

    Didnt Gove to to a girly college, LMH Oxford?

  332. 332
    Suzanne Moore says:

    By Jove, Gove, have you seen the light? Are we now comrades? The Education Minister spoke the unarguable truth at fee-paying Brighton College when he talked of the increasing stratification of our society being ‘morally indefensible’.

    More than in any other developed nation, the life chances of Britain’s children are linked to their parents’ wealth.

    Social mobility has ground to a halt and we can’t see the wood for the playing fields.

    The great engine of change should be education, but instead we have a system that practically reproduces the ruling class while preaching meritocracy. And it’s called the public school system.

    Read more:–Or-Minister-realised-private-schools-public-enemy-No1.html#ixzz1ujpKvyVM

  333. 333
    Johan Hari says:

    Sir Ian McEllan – Privately educated
    Mark Radcliffe BBC Radio presenter – Privately educated
    Monica Ali Booker Prize winner – Privately educated
    Ralph Little Actor – Privately educated
    Victoria Wood Comedienne – Privately educated
    Victoria Derbyshire BBC Radio Presenter – Privately educated
    Ben Kingsley Actor – Privately Educated
    Mike Danson Owner of The Spectator – Privately Educated

  334. 334
    giant gonad says:

    Gove is positioning himself, having previously backed several wrong horses.There is no future in being a Murdoch stooge and neo-con cheerleader, so he is reinventing himself. Watch me kick Cameron and Osborne, he says.

  335. 335
    olden1936 says:

    I’m sorry but I’ve run out of astonishment, outrage, and dismay. There is a ‘Them and Us’ tendency that riddles society from top to bottom. The office staffs often people a cosy world entirely separate from the workers in the field. Similarly politicians people a self-contained, privileged world that has little to do with us voters in the real world. Equally we only have to observe the baying packs of press reporters and photographers remorselessly, and mercilessly chasing celebrities, politicians, and even the grief-stricken families of murder victims, to comprehend the pressures under which they work that in turn requires them to totally ignore the feelings of those they chase. The ‘Them and Us’ tendency is to blame and has to go as soon as possible.

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