Time to Bring Farage Home
The Cameroons believe down to their DNA that a governing majority is to be found at the centre of politics. Last night where UKIP stood they polled 14% on average, the BBC calculating that for every 10% UKIP polls, the Tories lose 5% of their support. UKIP is clearly gaining traction as more than just a Euro-election voting option. The Cameroons kid themselves that they can be more credibly centrist and win more votes from the centre party without losing their right-of-centre base.
Last night Baroness Warsi smeared UKIP by associating them with the BNP. Their own activists don’t believe it, it is noticeable just how many activists the Conservative youth and students wings are haemorrhaging to UKIP. This decade long splintering of the right-of-centre vote is madness, a huge opportunity for sanity is opening up ahead of the next election, one which it seems even Lord Mandelson is willing to embrace. He has briefed The Sun this morning:
“I believe a referendum on this will be necessary because parties can’t reconcile their own differences and come to a final conclusion. A referendum would be a healthy means of re-establishing a consensus among Britons about Britain’s place in the world and role Europe should play in that.”
An In/Out referendum is a chance to settle the Europe question for generations and re-unite the right-of-centre majority in Britain. UKIP and the Tories would be campaigning on the same platform. Farage and most of UKIP would in those circumstances come back into the fold, the Conservatives would then have their best shot at winning a majority in decades. Before the 2015 general election David Cameron needs once more to make a ”big, open, comprehensive offer” and secure his place in history by winning an In/Out referendum. Nigel Farage doesn’t want to be in Brussels a day longer than he has to be, it is time to bring him home…
I’m voting UKIP. DC and the New Conservatives agreeing to a referendum, not a chance!
Even if he did grant a referendum, does anyone believe Camoron would act on a leave the eu win, or just ignore it as usual…
I fucking hate our scumbag politicians.
Cameron has already talking of a conservative led government after the next election. He has also said that he will never be in a coalition with UKIP. He would rather lead a left of centre coalition, than a conservative government.
He has also said that he is in favour of remaining INSIDE the EU and has done NOTHING to block further EU integration. The EU referendum lock is designed to lock us OUT of having a referendum.
Come on tories, how much longer must Cameron piss on your boots before you realise that it is not raining?
How does my hair look?
Magnificent and lustrous, as always, master.
Almost as nice as your bottom now I’ve finished.
UKIP is looking good to me.
I like to back a winner.
Must get rid of Nick though.
Lets do it.
Farage speaks a lot of Truth, but not the whole truth. Do you think he is going to get rid of the PHONEY DRUG WAR, and release all of the Knackers who have been selling them unknowingly for the STATE.
Do you think any political class is going to get rid of the terror tactics used to TAX and frighten the Sheep??
Just a question.
The real reason only 3 in 10 of the proles bothered to vote is not that they’ve finally seen through the sham but they couldn’t get out to the polling stations due to flooding, caused by the melting of the polar ice caps.
Farage reminds me of warden Hodges from Dad’s Army
I give a cast iron guarantee that we will give a referendum on something or other.
“UKIP and the Tories would be campaigning on the same platform”
That statement is rubbish. UKIP are not a Tory pressure group so there is no question of us ‘coming back inot the fold’. The Tories are most happy with the LibDems and that is where they belong.
It is impossible under UKIP’s constitution and rules, for current or former B&P or EDL members to even join UKIP, let alone stand for election for UKIP, so Warsi’s incorrect comments reflect very poorly on her grasp of reality. Former B&P members can still join the tories though.
Warsi’s slur was deliberate, clumsy and amatuerish.
The sort of thing you would expect from a third rate politician with a third rate mind.
Do the Tories seriously imagine, that insulting former members, is a way of winning them back?
Or do they just not care anymore and are willing to throw in their lot with either the Greens, Labour or the smouldering rubble that is the Lib-Dim party, rather than adopt policies that the British people want?
By Warsi’s ridiculous logic UKIP and Lib Dems got about the same percentage of votes where they stood so that means that UKIP and the Lib Dems are also in cahoots.
You stupid woman.
>Even if he did grant a referendum, does anyone believe Camoron would act on a leave the eu win, or just ignore it as usual…
No because Cameron is not a Conservative – he’s New Labour
Ferage is a Conservative – that’s why I and millions of others will vote for him.
there is not a cigarette paper’s width of difference between the B&P, LieBore, Limpdumb and the Tories. They all want a Big State, not a free society.
We all know Cameron would never ‘allow’ us to leave the EU – why even hope for it then? There is only one choice – SUPPORT UKIP!
Having UKIPed for a few years now, there is no way I would ever consider voting for a Cameron Tory party ever again. Mr U Turn has lost any possibility of trust. You see trust ‘Mr Cast Iron Guarantee’ trust is like virginity. Once you have fucked us voters over then you have lost that virginity for good. U turn if you like but don’t expect anyone to ever trust you ever again.
The Tory party is dead it just doesn’t realise it yet.
PS Warsi is an utterly evil fool.
Warsi is a disgrace. I have emailed the conservative party demanding an apology. I suggest others do the same.
Wayyyycist, wayyycist!
Better still, just vote UKIP.
Respect is slowly taking over Bradford Council. Sharia, anyone?
Sharia ? Well how about a compromise, allow the executions of murderers and child molesters and I wouldn’t complain.
Since I found out that the UKIP Friends of Is rael club are using the party to go after Ir anian students studying in Europe I am most definitely NOT voting for another hijacked party.
I thought UKIP was about independence from foreign interference, particularly Is rael!
I voted UKIP, it felt damn good to vote for someone rather than just voting to stop labour.
Today is a great day I think. For so long we have been told that voting UKIP is pointless. Well now enough of us are doing it the Conservatives can see that they need us to win the next election.
Warsi has just ensured that I am now willing to deliver leaflets and donate money for UKIP at the next general election.
Fuck you Warsi – stupid, ignorant bitch.
http://www.ukip.org/page/sovereign-draw-for-a-sovereign-nation
May as well win gold while you’re doing it!
Yeah, comparing UKIP to socialists is just unacceptable … Composing a mail now.
Misterned is spot on. Warsi speaks our the back of her arse. Vote UKIP, Tory lefties are getting scared.
Misterend is spot on. Warsi talks out of her backside. Vote UKIP, Tory lefties are getting scared. Better still get rid of Flashman Dave and Boy Blunder Osborne.
Basing this on local activists she is nearer the truth than she knows
Based on utter bollocks and deliberate misinformation, don’t you me@n?
Warsi is like so in touch with popular sentiment yeh?
Guido should run a some virtuals polls – Warsi vs Wed Ted, Warsi vs Farrage, Warsi vs Griffin, Warsi vs Man in a monkey suit, Warsi vs Tub of lard – to see if she can win anything whatever.
She has been added to my emergency turn off button register.
Along with Robert Peston, Both Eds, Chris Bryant. Oh and that drip
who deals with passport control.
Can someone remind me please. Who voted for Baroness Warsi to hold any public office? When was that?
She was appointed to the house of Lords in an appalling example of politically correct tokenism, and hurriedly promoted to way above her natural level of ability, within the conservative party in a blatantly racist show of politically correct “anti-racism”. I am sure that there were many other far more capable candidates who happen to have a different skin colour, who were overlooked and discriminated against, in order for her to get that role.
I love appalling examples of how corrupted our Political Class have become. The more appalling the quicker the Sheep might WAKE UP. Every thick C-nt who voted for the LIAR BLIAR have the Blood of 700’00 Iraqis on their hands. They give the lunatic the madate to invade a country so that The OIL barons could get the oil price up, and Western Democratic States would have the mechanism to Steal our money in TAX at the Pump.
Well done you have now Fu-ked the economy you greedy Tax grabbing fools.
I think her lack of a scrotum was also a factor in this example of positive discrimination.
I think all Tories qualify on those groingds, anon
Look. She thinks slow roast shoulder of lamb is to ‘die for’.
On the other hand, she’s vegetarian.
Meaning, she only eats halal meat depending on who she’s talking to.
She needs a pasty shoved in her mouth.
Exactly so. Dave would rather swallow a saucerful of slugs.
So the logic of Guido’s admirable analysis is: dump Dave now and bring in Boris.
Bravo! Get ANY real conservative into that job, give us a referendum on the day of the general election, cut taxes, and see the tories win a majority.
A Boris-led Tory party polls lower. How is that better?
Because Boris can work with people from other parties. People trust him?
Polls lower with who? Potential Labour or the soon to be extinct Lib-Dim EUrophiles? I bet among Conservatives Boris polls higher.
I’m far too disenchanted with any of the usual suspects.
I’ll continue to vote for “none of the above”.
voting for none of the above is understandable but pointless. A large vote for UKIP will bring two obvious advantages – an exit from the EU (with a huge saving in cash and bureaucracy) and a rocket up the rear-end of lib/lab/con (and boy that is so needed). It also means that rather than paying to support known terrorists they are straight out on their arse.
What the fuck are UKIP going to do if they manage to get a ‘yes’ in a referendum and drag us out of the EU? Govern the country? Bollocks more like.
Keep us in the EU and encourage tweedy little bellend politics students to waste their time canvassing to deranged OAPs in the home counties for Farage.
The future’s bright, the future’s .. fucking purple. The UKIP site looks like a a budget airline.. which is exactly what I will be needing if Farage ever gets near Parliament.
Yes govern this country! They would do a far better job than the calamitous Clegg or conman Cameron, and way way better than the two incompetent, delusional Eds.
So I guess that you prefer this country to be run into the ground by unelected foreign dictators?
Oh, well, better to just keep swapping back and forth between the red socialists and the blue socialists, is it?
Can’t be soon enough _EZjet has a member of staff waiting for your call.
If voting UKIP means tossers like you bugger off, they’ve got my vote!
+fuck.ing 1!
To Vince, that is. You UKIP chances are going to look the sorry lot of chances and freeloaders that you will be shown to be the minute you’ve prized Farage’s snout out of the Euro trough and let him snuffle about in the Westminster trough.
How’s that question on educational trusts off shore going for y’all?
I’d vote for the one with the biggest knob but we would probably end up with the one who is the biggest knob as usual.
I’ve got a massive tool.
and me
This is a serious question, i googled UKIP and apart from leaving the EU i didnt really find much else(some thing about not taxing millionares more, i think) can somebody tell us what else is so good about them, please.
You are cle@rly a retard, seek help urgently.
For more intelligent posters, here’s what UKIP are about.
http://www.ukip.org/content/ukip-policies
You are very ignorant, UKIP is a vanity project for a failed fund manager.Considering the state labour left the country in 2years ago, there will be protest votes in local elections. A party who have no Mps FFS. Grow up.
Ha, ha, ha, keep telling yourself that, in fact keep saying it as more and more people decide the current mob of shysters is no better than the last lot of shysters and that there is a RE@L choice on offer, not just more of the same old, same old LabLibCon trick.
Yep, and try the bunch of UKIP shysters who are nearly wetting themselves with the thought of getting some tiny part of their grubby body politic on some levers of power? Yeah, right.
If you think UKIP are actually any different you are in need of assessment in a psychiatric facility, one with a secure wing.
Pot and kettle are their tactics, and their actual policies make Ed Militwats blank sheet of paper look like War and Peace, FFA.
Keep up the multiple posts under multiple names, it’s always amusing to see a nutter talking animatedly to themselves in public.
I was genuinely interested in finding out what UKIP stood for, but if you are an example of a member i wont bother.You wont attract many new members with your rude manner.
Cry me a river why don’t you.
Stay with Dave while he arse rapes you to pay billions on DfID aid to dictators, EU / IMF bailouts to “save” the doomed EUro, continues the open border policy of Labour, covers the entire country with useless expensive windfarms, makes the UK a safe haven for terrorists, spy’s on your internet activity, sends millions into fuel poverty, taxes everthing that moves while giving tax bre@ks to millionaires and waste billions on super trains, so rich people can get from London to Birmingham five minutes quicker than now.
You deserve e@ch other, you re@lly do.
Sorry that we will not do all your thinking for you, like labour did. It is NOT hard to click on the provided link and find policies on everything from defence to fishing, from NHS to Education, From law and order to localisation. From their flat tax which will eradicate tax loopholes, to local referenda giving real power to local people, from scrapping green taxes and the EU subsidies and the Foreign aid to dictators saving more than a hundred billion to be redistributed in this country over a parliamentary term, and much much more.
By return of favour, can you tell me what policies labour have? Or are they still stuck with writer’s block on their blank piece of paper?
What new conservative policies have the tories or liberals got, which the EU is actually allowing them to implement, instead of the majority of policies which merely rubber-stamp EU diktats.
UKIP are the ONLY national mainstream party with a full programme of government and the intention to implement them.
Labour have none
Tory and liberal have policies which the EU won’t let them implement.
Do you really consider that they are preferable to UKIP?
The Lib/Lab/Con parties all have one, very simple policy….
worship the EU.
I don’t imagine they’ll WANT too many narrow minded little pillocks like you joining up.
UKIP believes in merging income tax and national insurance into a flat rate income tax to greatly simplify our tax code, which currently stands at over 11,000 pages.
At the last election we opted to merge 20% basic income tax with 11% national insurance to create a 31% flat tax on all earned incomes over £11,500. As a tax cut for all, with a higher threshold, it would also take the poorest paid out of income tax altogether.
It would also mean abolishing the existing 40% and 50% income tax brackets, the latter actually costing the economy rather than taking in revenue.
For employers, UKIP aims to abolish employers’ national insurance across a parliament to end the tax on jobs. This will undoubtedly boost employment and simplify the process of employing people.
http://www.ukip.org/content/ukip-policies/2560-ukip-tax-policy
They don’t believe in ManBearPig aka CAGW.
Morning all.
Ahhh, smug mode.
Vote UKIP
I see the massed bands of good ship UKIP are out in force ! do you all still wear those Australian bush coats and stetsons, they were a hoot !
Argentina desecrate the British War Memorial on the Falklands.
Is Hague still in bed dictating to his special friend advisor?
Why has that weakling said nothing about this outrage?
Another reason to vote UKIP – get a proper FM.
Who would be FM for a UKIP government?
We dont know as they have no MPs ! its unlikely a party could start from that base and be in government within 50 years i would say ! so the whole thing is epidemic Rodders.
You should read a history book sometime, you may, though it’s a big ask for someone so ignorant, just learn something..
Only one problem Youzoo, Kristallnacht has happend once before, and we know what to look for, you know shifty no hopers with a sociopathic grievance against an imagined enemy.
I suggest you look up “Battle of Cable Street” and then decide what color uniform to order.
Is that the sort of History you were suggesting?
Any MP,s yet?
The Argentines are a strange people. There are more psychiatrists plying thier trade in Buenas Aires than almost anywhere else on the planet, including Beverly Hills. Things that look like penises: missiles, submarines and torpedoes are likely to make them shit their pants and sit about all day with their thumbs in their mouths sulking. Send them a few relaxation tapes and a picture of some nipples and they may calm down.
But they do have a lovely dance
And by heck do they know how to cook steaks.
Don’t be too eager for an in/out vote. Escaping the E(U)Spew would be wonderful but:
First-Every liar in this con-try would be enlisted to make the “in” case. They won’t portray it as leaving things as they are. They will peddle a line of vintage shite on the “IN EUrope but not under it line” (the classic Tory lie) and if we just stay in the EU, then “this time” we (either con/lab/lib, all “progressives”) will show those EUrocrats whose boss.
It is a pathetic lie but it would be peddled by the media and all the rest. Lib/Lab/Con will all endorse staying in, the bolshevik brosdcasting corp, all the papers, every fucking sleb that can be pushed forward or dug up. Those on benefit will be told that leaving the EU will put their benefits in peril, in fact everybody will be told anything they value will be endangered by being shot of the Euroscum. Remeber 1975?. Alright too much dirty water has gone under the bridge for the enemy to pretend the EU does not intend to be a superstate but lie after lie will be marshalled against freedom from eurotyranny.The case for getting out will be suppressed as far as they can. If we lose we lose the lot.
It might be better to let the EU continue to collapse and fuck itself up a while longer yet.
Excellent point. Delusional to expect a return to truth at this stage in the catastrophe. Waiting for it to crash could be horrible though.
Politicians who repeatedly ignore and abuse the citizenry usually end up swinging from rope.
I haven’t! I’m very rich now and am coming back to stroke my humble and modest ego.
I see the UKIP sheeple circle jerk is in full swing. They may want to consider that a 16 per cent slice on a 30 odd per cent turnout is 16 per cent of not very much at all. The only real winner in last nights events was the 70 per cent voter apathy.
Time to finally oust the wholly incompetent Biggles of Buckingham and his washout cronies bed blocking the top at UKIP.
What, not going to vote global warming for the weather, sorry, climate, er apathy? You are obviously a dangerous heretic who should delete all your emails and report for re-education immediately.
Agreed. All that UKIP managed to achieve was to let Liebore into some councils.
Their industrial trolling here and places like the Telegraph is tedious, to say the least.
Yup – and their organisation is such a shambles that they didn’t even manage to get the party name on the London Mayoral ballot paper. Piss up, brewery anyone?
Fabulous epithet, the Biggles of Brussels!
Goodbye Cameron
The election has now made it quite clear that the Tories will never again have an overall majority in the House of Commons. The public have seen Cameron make numerous promises to hold a referendum on the EU only to see him call a three-line whip against it when the House of Commons debated the issue earlier.
The public no longer trust him or the Tories and many have now decided to vote UKIP. The loss of Tory support to UKIP undermines the Tories in future marginal seats and though there may well be some who will return to the Tories at the next general election a significant number will no longer vote Tory.
Any further promises by the Tories to hold a referendum will not alter this situation for few would believe that the Tories would honour a result that may well call for a total withdrawal.
Furthermore the handing of billions to the IMF to help bale out the EURO (another broken promise) and the handing of money to aid nations that fund their own space programs or buy French aircraft has really took the biscuit. Not to mention the utter spineless refusal to deport terrorists for fear of upsetting the court of human rights. All this plus the Granny-tax the Pasty-tax and 5p off the top tax rate whilst we have mass unemployment verges on political suicide to any sane politician. I for one will never vote for the LIBLABCON cabal ever again.
So it’s goodbye Cameron and goodbye to any hope of a centre right government any time soon.
Mandelson is doing little more than stirring it up for the conservatives knowing full well that it can accentuate the split within the right of centre electorate. If Cameron actually called this bluff he would win the next election by a landslide,it appears only the Westminster gravy train passengers support Europe in its current form.
And we believe Mandleslime, why?
By suggesting it, he wants the Conservatives to do it. Therefore he is opposed to it.
We do not believe Mandelsime. He is just trying to nudge his party into blocking reasons for labour voters from switching to UKIP, as many indeed are.
No he’s not. He’s trying to so discord amongst the right.
And he’s succeeding.
Dance to his tune, boys!
+1
… and he knows it will never happen …
Your statement assumes Cameron’s progressive left and green alliance, is somehow “of the right”. It isn’t and neither is Cameron or his crony backers.
Come on it’s very, very easy to tell whether he is lying – were Voldemort’s lips moving?
Did he smile sardonically you mean?
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01396/Untitled-1_1396667c.jpg
That is of course if the nuBlues led by Cast Iron would campaign on leaving the EU?
We could actually see the Tory Party slit even more over this!
It will be Cast Out Dave not Cast Iron Dave.
I do not wish to see the Tory Party Slit. Even I have standards.
What – not even that belonging to La Luscious Mensch?
Where would the Conservative pro EU social democrats go if the party split?
To the imbecile ED and Livingstone party? Or the soon to be extinct Nicky’s mob of radical yoghurt we@vers?
“Before the 2015 general election David Cameron needs once more to make a ”big, open, comprehensive offer”
Sorry…..Nick won’t allow it
‘ a big open comprehensive offer of a referdum over eu?’
After the last debacle of promise/broken promise who would believe him?
Not another big open comprenhensive – its bound to fail, full of idolent chavs with lazy teachers.
Did you mean indolent or insolent or both
Cameron needs once more???? When the fuck did he ever make such a “big, open, comprehensive offer” to the people of this country before? UKIP made a “big, open, comprehensive offer” to the tories before the last General Election and Cameron rejected it.
Then he had to make his “big, open, comprehensive offer” to the Lib Dems.
He would never ever make any kind of offer to UKIP, because Cameron would rather see labour win the election than give an inch to UKIP or the British People.
Cameron’s judgement is there for all to see – Coulson, Brooks, Hunt, etc.
He’s so bad that people are prepared to vote for the likes of Milliband, Harman, etc., rather than tory.
Yes but they are the usual morons, who would vote for a monkey in a red rossette, we all know a lot of labour support is tribal. They havent got the intelligence to vote for somebody their Dad didnt !
What choice to the Conservatives offer?
More EU control, more DfID aid, more immigration, more taxation, more state control, more nanny state, more spying on the internet, more bailouts to bankrupt countries, more tax and spend central planning, more fuel poverty, more windfarms, more socialism.
People want the government out of their lives and it’s hands out of our wallets and purses.
I foolishly thought that there could not be a more stupid PM, nor a more incompetent government, than the last corrupt shower of shit.
Then, bugger me, up pops another egomaniacal fuckwit clown with the moral sensibility of a shit house rat.
The plain fact is that Cameron desperately needs to form a new coalition government with the Tory party. However, he would not be able to bear the prospect of an EU referendum. Nor would he be able to accept that we need less of the attention of his hapless, stupid and arrogant chancellor.
Right. Faced by absolutely the worst PM in the history of parliamentary democracy he failed to get a majority. Nuff said.
I am a jar of Branston pickle.
No you are not.
Brown had nothing to do with democracy. The only vote he ever won was in a cast iron safe labour seat. From then on he lied, cheated, bullied and blackmailed his way into power. As would any God fearing, morally upright son of the manse. A rancid chancre on the daggy buttock of the body politic.
Cameron ignored UKIP in the 2010 general election, and paid the price in having a coalition. Yesterday he ignored UKIP, and lost councillors due to taking of votes away from the Conservatives.
Serves Cameron right! Don’t sympathise with Cameron.
I think the Tories need to bring them onside. But they’re still a fringe crew of nutters and amateurs.
Remember, Labour won’t win the election by becoming more left under plonker Miliband. If the Tories leave the centre ground they’ll leave power.
Looking forward to Boris repelling Labour’s march on the capital.
UKIP may be a fringe crew of nutters and amateurs, but they are nutters and amateurs with their hearts in the right places.
There are a great many people in the UK who think that even if we don’t leave the EU altogether, we need a bit more political distance (or even a lot more) for the UK’s best interests to be served. Only UKIP seem to acknowledge that.
+10
as opposed to the nutters and amatures currently in government and opposition
They were ‘a fringe’ when they were at 3%.
At 10% and rising they’re a credible threat…
At 15% they’ll be ‘major players’
At 20% they’ll either be ‘valued coalition partners’ or they’ll be calling Cameron a ‘valued coalition partner’ …
Cameron needs to ask why it is that they’re doing well.
Cameron knows why UKIP are rising and so do silly Ed and EU Nicky. They all hate what is happening and the lefty liberal alliance is losing ground to a resurgence of traditional British conservatism, all three, don’t like it a single bit.
Whether it’s 3%, 10% or 15%, the BBC election night graphics will still call them ‘Others’ and lump them in with one-man bands, Greens and the Unmentionables.
Never sure about the “heart”, and whether they’re just ranting about bloody frogs and going on about the war. ie. some of the rhetoric veers off to the irrational. Not sure whether some of it even starts with the rational.
As for the second paragraph, “what can we do to make the EU better” is a quesion that a realist ends up saying “nothing” to. And if you’re realistic leaving the EU looks a bit complicated too. A merely averagely competent politician would surely get their place in history as someone who arsed the whole thing up.
I think the chances of ‘making the EU better’ are very slim. We’ve been banging on about that for a couple of decades, and things just keep going in the wrong direction. Time for a change of tack.
Perhaps we need a relationship with the EU more like that of Norway or Switzerland, both of which seem to be quite stable and successful countries despite (or perhaps because of) their politically semi-detached status.
If you think that the UK economy bears any relation to those of Switzerland or Norway, you must be fucking delusional.
Neither of them has suffered a century of relative decline initiated by traitors.
OK Davey – so how do we best reverse the decline? Carry on as we are? Or take a bit more control of our own destiny?
Their hearts may well be in the right place, it’s their brains being on another planet that concerns me.
Can you name any significant grouping of politicians who’s brains are on this planet?
Perhaps you might enlighten us all, as to what brilliance there is in either the Coalition of eco clowns or Ed and Livingstone’s commie-lite shower of authoritarian thieves?
Your own words betray you.
“Looking forward to Boris repelling Labour’s march on the capital.”
Boris is embracing conservatism and is rightly unrepentant and unapologetic in his conservatism and is WINNING because of it.
Cameron is LOSING because he is running away from conservatism. The lefties will never ever vote for what they still perceive as “baby eating tories” so Cameron’s appeal to the left will never bear fruit. He is also losing far more support on the right because of his left liberal instincts.
Notice that when Cameron appeared to be a Eurosceptic right winger in 2009 he had a 24 point lead in the polls. Now the tories have a 12 point deficit.
The further left they went since 2009, the worse they have done, leading to a massive deficit to that obnoxious prick Ed Miliband! There has been a 36 point swing from conservative to labour in the opinion polls since 2009 and all through that time Cameron has been moving further and further to the left! This cannot possibly be put down to Miliband having more appeal and winning back labour voters, because Miliband still has lower ratings than Cameron.
The middle ground of politics in Notting Hill and BBC Television Centre may be where Blair was. In the country at large? The middle ground is much closer now to where Enoch Powell was.
Agree.
Don’t forget how Cameron won the leadership – he canvassed on an anti -EU package.
Yawn! Just think how wonderfully well you Tories would be doing if only Labour didn’t have the majesterial Ed Miliband at the helm.
Yup, that’s how shit Dave’s boys are – they get spanked by Ed and co. So weak!!!
That isnt fair, on a daily basis Milliband has jumped on the bandwagon,highlighting anything negative he can to damage the Conservatives. Whether it was (sorry)Millie Dowler, Murdoch, the economy etc. Most of the things he bangs on about would have happened if Labour were in. But the media give him a free rein to push his agenda.He is actually a disgrace, a thoroughly unpleasant human being.I would hate to see the state the country would be in (again )if Milliband was Pm.
If Miliband were PM?
I would say roughly where we are now. Which is why this country desperately needs RE@L change. Not just a change of personnel every four or five ye@rs.
Let’s re-edit your comment to reflect reality-:
“Most of the things Dave bangs on about would have happened of Labour were in…”
And that’s the Tories problem – dave really does want to be the Heir to Blair. In opposition they wanted to match Labour’s spending plans ffs, that’s how inutterably thick they are! They’re wedded to that idea that spending over 40% of GDP on the state is a good thing. When we went into recession in the early nineties it was only ~26% of gdp – we need to slash state spending, taxes and regulation if we want to get back to growth. Bonfire of the quangoes? Note even a flickering ember! Dave and the other SDP entryists must go !
“He is actually a disgrace, a thoroughly unpleasant human being”
You describe Cameron perfectly.
Of course people wish to suckle at the teat of a
expert fresh out of universitycareer politician rather than oh I don’t know someone with real world experience.Get shut of all the career MP’s then people may be moved to vote
Thats right, keep insulting us.
As a Conservative Party member & donor for many years until Cameron I know that the vast majority of UKIP are Tories in exile.
We will get the party back – & we will purge the party of Cameroons. Dave Cameron belongs in the Lib Dems – he is yellow to his core.
Vote UKIP
Yellow turning to Red you mean.
Yup he is more like a dark orange really.
War$i is a tosspot.
Pretty lass who came across like cameron in the beginning as good and sensible. Both have given a very disappointing performance in government to date.
Pretty WTF
+1
She keeps on saying fairly daft things. Could she be the Edwina for the 21st century.
Uh oh. Bad thoughts.
Someone find me my underpants.
It’s intetesting that young conservatives (with a small c) are more inclined to vote UKIP. It’s an indication of what the next generation of voters/politicians will be like. Maybe in 10-15 years time we will have a significant genuinely conservative faction that can be a force to be reckoned with in government.
What you are describing is classic chaos theory.
First things start to gravitate into the centre – which is why there is not a cigarette paper between the main parties policies
Then they will start to expand as the space in the middle becomes to compressed.
So yes in the near future you may well see a radical right wing populated by ex young conservatives, anti EU folk, and capitalists with an opposing radical left wing populated by rug munchers, layabouts, and mussies
Labour can always rely on roughly 33% of the population that in some way derives its income from the government (either through welfare/vote buying or government jobs). They then split the liberal intellectual guardianista vote with the Lib Dems. The Tories have traditionally had to fight over the rest of the population by basically cosying up to progressives and hoping they can rely on right-wing support by default, but this opens a niche for UKIP. Long term the Tories are fucked unless they accept where they’ve gone wrong and offer actual conservative policies and just ignore the lefty media.
Agree but of course they can no longer rely on the right wing vote by default as the policies are all left of centre (well apart from the ‘cast iron guarantee’ ones lol)
So IMHO they are basically fucked without change
A good analysis.
“the lefty media”
I’ve said it many times before on here and elsewhere, but it’s worth repe@ting once again.
Target one, day one: The BBC.
Target two, day two: Guardian public sector funding.
Target three, day three: The EU.
You will only be@t the left after you spike it’s guns.
None of the three main parties will move a knats away from the centre/left,because thats the area where the pollsters have told them most voters reside.We are stuck until a major calamity happens,no one party will give an inch.
Trust me…
Mandelson the mouthpiece of the Bilderbergers asking for an in-out referendum?
WTF is going on?
Talk is cheap in opposition.
Quite right. McBroon promised a referendum too and Mandybum was at the centre of government for many years – certainly enough time to organise it if his so-called Party were really interested in arranging it.
He did indeed, until he signed the constitution that made any promise of a referendum by a government of any colour totally irrelevant.
Not so, the EU only exists because of our compliance in it’s fraud. We can legally stop funding it tomorrow, if there was the political will and the EU could do nothing about it. It would collapse in weeks without our money.
Draghi’s recalcitrance to unleash the printing presses at the ECB might be dislodged by a crisis of suitable size.
The fragrant Christine at the IMF would in any case ensure that they do not run out of funds, whether with (or less likely) without our help.
It makes things difficult for the Tories.
And people here are dancing to Mandy’s tune, the poor puppets.
I’ll let you know I prefer “Mud”. Its easier to do that “roadie dance” when you have no legs.
We may not like Heltleslime, but those comments are absolutely spot on. UKIP are taking a serious hold, as the party promising to deliver what 66% of the U.K. wants. The very same promise the two faced Cameron broke.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1JReyGsdOA
I know people who voted UKIP for the first time,knowing it was a wasted vote, purely because Farage says what he thinks and they believe he can be trusted.
In for a surprise aren’t they when they realise he’s just as self serving as the rest of them
Are you David Blunckett’s seeing dog?
You have to pity him, he comes from Sheffield poor chap. He knows no better.
Wasnt he(Nigel F) the one who claimed massive expenses as an MEP, something like a million i think.
No, Farage’s allowance is the same as all MEP’s get. It is paid automaically to every MEP, from every party. Are you by any chance a member of the Warsi school of slurs, slander and outright lying?
I voted UKIP but I don’t think it’s a wasted vote. A political movement has to start somewhere. We have to be realistic and accept it’s mostly about momentum at the moment, but as long as the Tories reject conservative policies UKIP will grow. It’s only a matter of time.
people said for decades that a vote for the SNP was a wasted vote. Now look at them.
You are right. UKIP have to start somewhere and they are growing… FAST!
When they get more credibility and head up to 20%+ in elections, then those people who do not vote, because “they are all the same aren’t they” may actually see a credible alternative then. That is when the tories, labour and liberals start talking about referendums on the EU and other real conservative policies. Although, so long as we remain in the EU, that will remain all talk from them.
The only party offering any change AT ALL, is UKIP.
UKIP’s current position reminds me very much of the SNP a few years back. Just as in Scotland, the dishonesty, deceit and incompetence of lib/lab/con is opening the door to UKIP a little more with every day that passes.
Maybe Cameron et al should sign up ACLBliar as well?
However would we tell the difference?
A question about markets.
Everyone knows that Hollande is likely to win the French Presidency. Which will make the euro weaker.
No doubt some of the meerkats will have worked that out and priced things accordingly. But somehow, I feel sure that the Euro will dip rapidly on Monday morning anyway. Sounds a bit dim to me if they react to things that are plainly obvious like that.
Spot on article but Cameron will not do this because of the colossal brigade of Sir Humph’s and carpet baggers sucking at the Brussel teat, left behind by Labour, currently employed by the state to integrate us into the European wet dream superstate.
At best a watered down version would probably be “in Europe but not ruled by Europe” but the problem with that is the history tells us that rules are ignored, bent or structured obliquely to steal or neuter all of the functions that make us a state. A classic example of this is the ECHR which in any other century would have had it’s supporters tried for Treason.
There is in my opinion only one referendum that matters “In or Out”
Just don’t tell all the media / political / Business & financial lead writers in the National Press that The EU have not returned any audited accounts for some 17 years now … It appears that they have not seen the ‘elephant in the room yet’.
The Hear no – see no – speak no … evil of journalism.
Wouldn’t want the Public to see how corrupted the whole EU Project really is …
Surely it’s the Lib Dems that are holding back tory ideals?
I bet Dave blames the dog when he farts.
I never fart.
Roewe fart when we tell it to fart.
Roewe is Shanghai poodle now.
Partly it is the tories’ own laziness. Eric Pickles has done an appalling job and failed torreform local government on any way that improves anybody’s lives. He should have been cleaning out the stables at the many rotten local authorities round the country and restablishing peoples’ confidence in local government. People want change that is meaningful to them, not talk in Westminster about who gets nothing done
Of course it is, i think people forget we have a co alition government !
Sorry – meant Mandleson – Senior moment!
You should be careful of senior moments involving Voldemort. Have you considered seeing a trick cyclist?
A question about markets.
Everyone knows that Hollande is likely to win the French Presidency. Which will make the euro weaker.
No doubt some of the meerkats will have worked that out and proiced things accordingly. But somehow, I feel sure that the Euro will dip rapidly on Monday morning anyway. Sounds a bit dim to me if they react to things that are plainly obvious like that.
Frances goose is cooked put it like that.
+1
This will make my trips to Granada much less expensive. Now I’m
not at the troughretired I have to budget.Ohh starting to feel weird time to lie down (on the business class flight to Madrid)
Phone call to Osbourne need more bailout cast pronto.
It’s too late, Cameron has lost all the trust. After the fake stand against Brussels which has angered the To*ry right, they are no longer receptive to DC’s wooing.
It’s all downhill now for the Conservative Party. UKIP will continue to drain away the support of the right, and leave a T*ory party of wets to be battered and shat upon by the lefty MSM.
R.I.P. The Conservative Party.
Come back into the fold, Sir Trumpton! Let me wrest back power from the faceless bureaucrats of the EU and give you a referendum.
I am giving you a stainless steel guarantee with a copper bottom and an aluminium lid served up on a cast iron trivet.
Cameron does not have a prayer while he has lazy lumps like Pickles failing to deal with local government. Hague has also been pretty unimpressive, truth be told.
Ask Col, Gadaffi for his thoughts on traitor Hague.
The cowardly time serving MPs in the Conservative Party who want out of the EU are the biggest traitors of the lot. They put their wages above honour.
They remain within the fold.
Cameron has borrowed the Party for a while. We’re going to want it back fairly soon.
Too late. Your time has passed. The public are drifting away.
We don’t want you any more. You have kept Cameron in power too long.
Oi! Fucking Cameron, you does my fucking head in. FACT!!
Fuck off with your gay marriage, Lords reform, and globe trotting, you arsehole. FACT!!
We wants Jobs/Immigration/resisting the Nazi-EU/Police/demolition of public sector non jobs at the top of the fucking agenda…and no more fucking tolerance of third rate ministers you ponce. FACT!!
People maybe dont like the Tories but they do expect them to be able to at least run the fucking airports, or know when to trigger the deportation of a fucking terrorist, you twat. FACT!!
Tories are pig sick of you taking it up arse from fucking Clegg and his gang of useless, backstabbing, arsehole lefties. FACT!!
In two, maybe three years a snivelling little Marxist, shitbag, wankstain, will be in No10, and the Tories will be out in the wilderness again, with all the activists having fucked off to UKIP you nonce. FACT!!
And I am unanimous in that. FACT!!
Dont fret Sir Minge, I’ll shaft the toff next friday
But has he shafted you?
FACT?
Federation Against Complicit Tories?
We are creamin oursleves at Labour’s glorious rise back to power, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
If Miliband being in number 10 meant any difference to what we have now, I would be worried. As it stands anyone from the LabLibCon could be in office and it would make no difference, as they all believe in the same thing ( more socialism ) and all offer the same solution ( even more socialism ).
So?
I trust you posted a hard copy of that little rant to No 10 Downing Street? If not please do so and add that you accurately represent the view of over 50 per cent of the citizenry of England.
Thank you for your hard copy but unfortunately you appear to have omitted the required £250k ‘engagement’ fee (please note we no longer accept cheques)
We will of course keep your note on file until such a time as you make payment. Then we will of course pass the letter on for
shreddingfurther consideration.Thank you for your hard copy but unfortunately you appe@r to have omitted the required £250k ‘engagement’ fee (please note we no longer accept cheques)
We will of course keep your note on file until such a time as you make payment. Then we will of course pass the letter on for shredding further consideration.
The cowardly time serving MPs in the Conservative Party who want out of the EU are the biggest traitors of the lot. They put their wages above honour.
They remain within the fold.
I have 9 million cousins living in one flat in Tower Hamlets. If you dare to call me a liar and crook, my muslim brothers will punch you very much many. Kill all kafirs! Praise Brother Galloway!
Gorgeous George might like to remember what happened to Count Baltar
He was played by a Canadian actor. Doomed to come a cropper from the word go.
Sorry never heard of him. What happened to him and was he related to Count Yercash of Bliardom?
Its science fiction: Battlestar Galactica. Baltar betrays humanity to aliens but is then himself sentenced to death, his executioner reasoning that any being who would see his own race destroyed could not be trusted.
Thanks for enlightening all 30+ million of us. I am sure we could all think of quite a long list of our rulers who might end up likewise!
Watched Warsi last night and realised just how far they have their head in the sand/thumb stuck up their arse/combination of both. UKIP will be getting my vote if they don’t alter course but would ditching the Libdems and embracing UKIP policy gain more of the electorate?
“but would ditching the Libdems and embracing UKIP policy gain more of the electorate?”
2009, Cameron appeared to be a right wing Eurosceptic = 24 point lead in the polls over the Brown-Darling Labour party.
2012, Cameron is now a lefty Europhile liberal = 12 point deficit in the polls to the Miliband-Balls Labour party.
So in answer to that question. Undoubtedly YES!
probably.
Warsi is a complete fuckin idiot…….I felt embarrassed for her last night, even Nick Robinson was taken back by her racist comment…
What racist comment did Warsi make about Nick? What is about what planet he comes from?
As to Warsi, in the words of a prominent Tory, she is either a fucking liar or talking fucking bollocks.
That woman can do both
and still chew gum?
The Tories need to ditch Cameron if they want any hope of winning the next election.
Polling shows that a Cameron-led Tory party gets more votes than a non-Cameron led one.
Still, perhaps the purity of opposition is better.
That polling is out of date by a few months.
More like 2 years mate.
The polls that matter were yesterday
Trouble is Camonblair has no bloody idea where the ‘centre’ is. Everyone but the die hard looney tunes lefties knows that we need a party of liberty and low taxes, so the ‘centre’ has moved to the right. Wankers
Trouble is, at Eton they teach you to sieze hold of the state and make it as big as possible, enabling the taxation of everyone except the sheeple farmers.
I would have voted for UKIP yesterday in the local elections but UKIP candidate canvassing for votes around here chose to fight on an anti abortion platform.
As someone above said UKIP needs to get rid of the nutters before we can seriously consider voting for them.
Yeah they have the same problem as the Conservative party itself – Comprised of both Whig and Tory factions.
They need to be rid of the weirdly authoritarian types and I’m sure UKIP will pick up a lot of votes from the biggest section… those who didn’t vote!
Why is it ‘nutty’ not to want to kill unborn children?
So a woman’s womb is your property then
This is UKIP. Women must know their place.
If her place is not to kill a living being, her own flesh and blood, then yes.
Tenants have rights too. Ripping a life from the womb should be a serious step. In far too many cases the foetus is treated as an inconvenience to be disposed of like an in-growing toenail. And please don’t go down the hard cases route. Rape and medical problems are special cases.
No, but neither is the baby in that womb. It’s wrong to kill someone because they’re an inconvenience.
Wot, Like the Brune y’mean? Can’t see it myself.
Ken not in charge of London, Labour results good so Red ED stays in position, job done!
DUEMA 1 The Rest 0
Also why do the Conservatives still insist on putting ‘elite/aloof’ mps on Question time. Next week is Spellman???No skeletons there. What happened to that Tory MP ex army Major? Need more of his ilk to get back in touch with the average voter.
Is that the same spellman who bills her nanny to the taxpayer? The one who wants to privatise the countryside? Another fine example of Cameron’s judgement.
The one who likes getting super inunctions to protect her offspring!
And why hasn’t she changed her name to Spellperson?
Monsanto Meg, she promised standpipes in the streets just before the election.
Water privatisation, another great success.
Actually, the entire drought fiasco is a ruse. There is no shortage of water or actual drought. But there is a highly controversial agenda being played out and Spelman is up to her crooked neck in it.
If there ever was an EU referendum the resulting would be resounding vote for withdrawal no matter what the parties campaigned on, especially if the option was to retreat to just a free trade area. If it’s good enough for Norway and Switzerland, it’s good enough for us. No more EU laws, interference and subsidising loss making projects abroad while our own country is struggling.
Having said this, if the French election goes the way it’s looking at present the EU could well collapse soon anyway, certainly from a currency perspective.
One last heave…
I’m making a comeback! A political one that is, not cumming all over Ca*rol Ca*lin’s back.
Oh balls – Farge like most of UKIP are spectacular troughers at the EU gravy train. They barely do any work there.
How would you know?
Biggles of Buckingham is the only MEP to not publish his allowances
http://www.thisiskent.co.uk/UKIP-leader-MEP-publish-allowances/story-15588501-detail/story.html
That’s the point. They have nothing to do. The unelected Commission decide everything.
I only eat halal vegetarian chicken curry.
You only eat at taxpayers’ expense.
Camoron is on , see he’s not listening, same crap, same rubbish, were on your side, sorry etc, the uconned us need to decide now, get rid of Camoron and Warsi or say goodbye in 2015.
The BBC World news allowed just ten seconds of Cameron’s post election speech which ended at the bit about being sorry that some folks lost their seats. Then the screen went blank and silent showing only a BBC placard before the bimbo presenter came back on and moved on to the next item. I wonder what was cut from his dissertation?
Where did they find Warsi anyway? Did she have a career before politics? She always comes across as hopelessly out of her depth.
She’s the token, er, multiculti diversity element.
Call me a fruitloop if you must but I can see the day when the country is run by the Tory party with Farage as PM. He is head and shoulders above any of the Tory MPs in charisma, honesty and oratory.
Fruitloop.
+ 10 million
Yes, but isnt he a toff ?
Day of contradictions.
Labour administrated Welsh assembly cocks it up but receives boost based upon general UK / English leadership failings.
Bradford votes for more immigrants / forinners to hold the reins of power.
English Tories expectedly swing to UKIP giving Dave bloody nose.
Scottish declaration yet to be announced but further Socialist momentum ignored and unexpected.
Pale ‘blue’ Boris expected to succeed legally against Socialist “banana republic” rigged voting.
With the UK splitting into various factions each with their own individual axe to grind it would appe@r nobody comes out of this without egg on their face.
Bradford is an interesting case for swingers. Gorgeous George’s bunch did rather well, including removing the tub of lard that was the layber leader. NOC likely means bonkers politics as the layber likely to lie with the watermelons – just look at Oz – ouch.
I am Captain America.
You are back where you started.
It’s the Question what matters.
In or out is too simple and would probably result in an “in”
We would need a few choices and maybe a second preference count.
Tidy up the Human Rights mess at the same time.
Leave no untidy edges this time
Nonsense. The only people who want more than the “in or out” choices are people who want to remain in an integrating federal EU, so they can split the Eurosceptic vote.
The EU roadmap has NO option for “this far and no further”. The speed of integration can be slowed down from the inside, but it cannot be halted. The ONLY way to be able to choose to NOT be fully integrated into the corrupt, profoundly anti-democratic, economically incompetent EU, is to vote OUT.
In or out are the only honest, realistic options. Giving people a vote on any third in-between option is profoundly dishonest, because the EU will NOT allow any other status. Full integration is mandatory according to the Lisbon Treaty.
So WTF doesn’t Dave stand up and say it was signed by somebody no longer in office, thus the signature is invalid – and then formally renounce the Treaty forthwith. leaving no loose ends? It is really very simple for somebody with 2 spheroids and a bit of backbone. After all, what are they going to do about it? Invade? Cut our fag rations?
Maybe not straight away, but, yes, eventually.
I do hope you reach an early decision on my canonicity vicar. However, once out of Yurop we will have adeqate time to prepare our defences (again!).
I am Gordon Brown
Do you think Gordon and me could be in Community Care together? I’m sure I he could give me lots of tips he’s picked up from round the dustbins.
If a referendum on Europe were called Dave would be firmly in the In camp.
He claims that he wants to repatriate powers back to the UK Parliament but this is all empty talk. Bet the Queen’s speech has no mention of repatriating powers and he hasn’t even provided a wish list of powers he would like returned.
So why doesn’t she tell him she has decided that enough of her traditional functions have been given away and she wants them back. There is nothing to prevent her from NOT giving the traditional speech is there? After all she is now old enough to make her own mind up! Has anyone ever heard how say how much she enjoys being a citizen of the EUSSR? Her ancestors must be turning in their graves.
What would happen if HM decided she no longer wished to be a citizen of the E U S S R? I don’t think there is any constitutional reason why she cannot refuse to give the traditional speech, especially if she does not like what it contains. Time HM stood up for her rights too and demanded her country be returned to her; after all she is now old enough to make her own mind up about what she wants.
‘Last night Baroness Warsi smeared UKIP by associating them with the BNP. Their own activists don’t believe it, it is noticeable just how many activists the Conservative youth and students wings are haemorrhaging to UKIP.’
I think that is what is known in the trade as a non sequitur.
C CC what??
A non sequitur is something I use not to cut my overgrowing bushes with.
Two lads Tarmacing my drive at the moment. Both say they will never vote again.
Recognise that Labour got us into the mess but have no faith that any other party doing any better.
Wasn’t Gerry and Martin was it by any chance?
I couldn’t give a tinkers cuss if we stay in the EU, especially when I think about what I can do with all the extra money ….
1. More Indian call centres on the moon
2. More money to my chums at the IMF
3. More money for Peter Tatchell and his chums
The proles will be so proud
Massive schoolby error by Cameron.
UKIP are going strength to strength. Cameron is toast, get rid of the useless tvvat.
I’ve already defected from Con to UKIP, nothing Cameron says or does will ever bring me back.
BRING FARAGE home, we need someone to stand up for the UK.
Must admit UKIP got my vote this time round
Only one of mine and that was to strengthen Boris’s hand. Next time there is every chance that neither party will get my vote.
Hi,
the tragedy is that after 20 years UKIP is running in 7th. position in terms of seats in England & Wales and still with not the slightest glimmer of hope of a Westminster seat on the horizon!
Yes we need and want a referendum – YES the public wish to Leave-The-EU by a majority and yes a huge majority want to remove our political and economic control by the malign and corrupt EU.
Sadly, just as when the traitor Heath signed the warrant for the death of these United Kingdoms and the new vassal status any current referendum on the subject would be similarly fiddled!
I do NOT believe that the Leave-The-EU cause would win a referendum as the EU would pour huge amounts of OUR money into propaganda, spin and lies to ensure their Milch Cow staid in THEIR barn!
Consider the undeniable FACT that The EU does not have a Democratic Defecit it has NO meaningful democracy, spends £Billions each year on propaganda and has the largest Civil Service in the world with armies of self serving unelected bureaucrats endlessly t6ightening the rachets of strangulation of ‘Self Determination’ of its vassal regions and enthralled peoples.
An IN/OUT referendum would be lost by the people who clearly want to Leave-The-EU – The EU has NO democratic mandate and openly advocates a ‘Post Democratic style of governance’!
Let us not be confused – The EU is NOT our enemy, The EU has published every step of the way in its social engineering experiment openly stating its aim to be an Empire of voluntary member regions (formerly independent states!).
OUR ENEMY is without a doubt OUR enemy within the armies of Civil Servants who now work for tyhe EU implementing EU diktat, the banks working to control our economy for allien gain. The water companies with their scares and crisese which are increasingly foreign owned, our power industry which is also mainly foreign owned. Now we are tendering our roads having lost our fisheries to allien control – when last did a credible politician of any gravitas or stature stand up for the peoples of these United Kingdoms – don’t say Thatcher who traded off our CAP income for a showy settlement at Bruges and never once voted to block EU legislation.
When last did we have a British politician acting in Britain’s interests?
Yes Farage puts up a good show but as a showman he may well be popular but one need only look at the number of seats won to realise entertainers and showmen carry no weight!
Of the 4,987 seats up for election yesterday so far UKIP have 7!
With one gain so far UKIP remind us that one swallow does not a summer make and although Galloway described his result as ‘The Bradford Spring’ – surely no one can see 7 seats won so far as ‘A UKIP Spring’ or an endorsement of Farage and his unprofessional and largely divisive leadership of HIS party!
I do however appreciate that discontent as the Tory Party may be with Cameron & his set The Tories have the same plight as Labour lacking any credible alternative to a hugely uncredible leader!
Regards,
Greg_L-W.
Not a chance of Cameron campaigning for an OUT vote. Big business which is what the leaders of the Tory and Labour party support (despite a veneer of representing the average family man/woman) are keen to stay in Europe so neither party have any real interest in getting us out. The only way it might change is if the Scots go independent (followed by Wales and Northern Ireland) and London becomes a financial link pin between China and the West ( a sort of super Hong Kong).
Even Nick Grifffin would win a popularity contest against Cameron.
STEWIE Griffin would win a popularity contest against Cameron.
http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Stewie-stewie-griffin-684195_1024_768.gif
I say chaps!! – Trust Me! – I’m a terribly straight kinda guy!
Wattage??
I know a lot of you love YOUKIP but honestly they stand no chance. Even if they managed to defeat the bias of the mass media (in particular the BBC who totally detest YOUKIP and see them as Beeenpee lite) who will all rally against them.
Then even if they managed to somehow get past the media, do you really think the rest of the political establishment would dare let them remove the source of potential earnings (European Parliament) when they are kicked out of power here by the voters?
Then even if you got past that, if say Farage got elected as PM, Merkel would have him arrested and her own puppet government installed (voted through by Westminster of course who so long as they keep their ipads and expenses will do as told) within 48 hours.
You can’t change the system, it’s a fact of life. The only hope is that the Tory right grow a set and start kicking Cameron to death.
If Tim Montgomery is to be believed that will start to happen over the next few days and weeks.
Even if he signed the pledge in his own blood he would not be believed.Once BITTEN TWICE shy!
I would normally vote Conservative but voted UKIP yesterday. Not because of any love of UKIP, some of the postings you see on here and on the Daily Mail site from UKIP activists are not my cup of tea. However, I think it is time to call it a day on the Euro Socialist experiment but more importantly I don’t think George Osbourne is a Conservative; his recent budget and subsequent comments were those of a full blown socialist. He needs to sort out which party he supports and soon. I won’t be giving them any more money any time soon nor supporting them.
Full blown socialists drop top rates of income taxes?
Just what *is* being taught at schools these days?
Well I did do economics at university but that was some time ago. Income Tax is only one tax out of a plethora. I was more concerned his attitude that anyone who had money or made money had done so at the expense of the public exchequer. Some of comments almost explicitly stated that anyone who wanted to keep their own money was a thief. His raising of stamp duty on purchases of property valued at over £2m was rank theft as was his announcement that he would levy stamp duty at 15% on property purchases via limited companies. I am not personally affected by either but nonetheless I think both measures appalling and counter-productive. With regards to reducing the rate of Income Tax from 50% to 45% he simultaneously announced a limiting of uncapped reliefs to £50k or 25% income. So he has limited the availability of of statutory reliefs. This supposedly in the name of increasing he tax take. If he applied economic theory and tax theory he should know these measure are contrary to good governance. If he really wants to increase the tax take he should reduce rates and eliminate reliefs and allowances. If you need to some help with economic theory and the basic notions of fair taxation I can recommend some reading.
Osbourne only got ‘O” maths,and a second at Oxford in Geography,fully qualified to run UK economy.The truth is the economy is run by Civil Servants,McBride and Gus O’Donnell confirmed as much.
Wowee. “full blown socialism eh?”. I remember the days when that was things like nationalising the top 25 companies in Britain.
And even when being a “half arsed socialist”, was one that wanted to dictate to fuel distributers the price of petrol, or make income tax 75%.
Have you not noticed how they are behaving towards the banks? And far do you think they are off have a prices and incomes policy.
I think telling banks that unless they hit certain lending targets to certain sectors of the UK economy that the senior executives will be penalised and the banks face a further banking levy is pretty socialist.
Vince Cable was only talking about a week ago in terms that were de facto a prices and incomes policy. He did call it that but that is what he meant. Shades of Roy Hattersley and the Prices and Incomes Board all over again. It used to be the case that before anyone coud have a pay rise from a large company it had to be agreed with the Prices and Incomes Board.
Lastly don’t confuse Marxism with Socialism; Socialism is a broader church than just Marxism. Proudhonists were Socialists and they hated Marxists.
Wowee. “full blown socialism eh?”. I remember the days when that was things like nationalising the top 25 companies in Britain.
And even when being a “half arsed socialist”, was one that wanted to dictate to fuel distributers the pr-i-ce of petrol, or make income tax 75%.
The drop was pathetic. Income should not be taxed at all on the first half of anybody’s salary if that is below the average wage. VAT should not exceed 10%. We are a grossly overtaxed people. The state is far too big.
Well, obviously you have been to Troll school where they teach how to cherry-pick half truths and dance about in the playground shouting nah nah nah,whilst grinning with self-satisfaction. what a wazzock.
DC has himself to blame for this, wet wet wet . promised things deserves to get a kicking. UKIP i hope will get stronger but if its left to the BBC I think not. The liebour spin machine (BBC) will get even more biased in their reporting,Unless DC grows some balls and do something about the BBC it will only get worse.
If your views are not being aired by the national tv media then what chance have you got…none.
clip the wings of the BBC otherwise the BBC will bury anyone who isnt liebour
My point as well, theBBC will never allow UKIP to get to power
Then the BBC needs to go
What’s the difference between the Tory party and the movie Jurassic Park?
One is a high technology adventure playground full of dinosaurs, and the other is a family movie
Vote UKIP
If Mandie fell over in a forest would anyone care?
PS But we would like it to be where the bears go.
Any badgers?
What is needed is a wealthy media savvy bod to hang a Europe Yes/No campaign off.
Sensible costs on how much Europe costs us advertised through the media. I am still not sure how much it really costs. Does the overseas aid and EU contributions combined really cost us about the same amount as defence (a budget under real pressure.)
In a decade’s or so time when the history of the UK in the late 20th century is written the EU decision will probably be framed as HMG worst mistake. We gave up close relations with countries that had resources and provided us with markets and
the same culture (unsurprisingly as they are “us”) to join a protectionist cabal with no resources, competing industries, and a dislike of all things British.
Can’t get my words out today. Man ‘flu.
There is no finer or more loyal defender of the European project than the Conservative Party.
Bankruptcy-the lot- the Tories deliver the cash and never re-consider any rule changes that challenges National authority.
It’s not just getting out of Europe that is UKIP’s appeal. It’s the promise of destroying fake charities and quangos, limiting political correctness, repealing the Smoking Ban and addressing various other civil liberties issues, tightening up on immigration, reducing bureaucratic red tape etc.
IF the Tories promised to get out of Europe they may be surprised that they would probably still only gain 1% of UKIP’s vote.
i am Daley Thompson
Wake up Dave !
Nigel is making progress while you kip !
Wake up Punster !
Nigel is making progress while you quip !
Actually, “Lord Hee Haw” makes more sense, although Dave, it must be said, could give this one a run for its money strictly based on being a complete and utter ass.
The assumption here is that the tories and UKIP would be best for the UK whatever. In fact this is bollox – they are both horrendous anti-population, scaremongering fascist parties who are less democratic than even new labour.
We don’t need any of the established parties – we can manage for ourselves. All we need is one man at the end of the telephone who can collect the household rubbish. Fuck off to the politicans and the political parties and the elites of the UK – fucking nazi scum the lot of them
Are you seeing your doctor about these sudden bouts of common sense?
Taxi for Dave!
Guido is absolutely right – if Cameron has the nerve to go into the next election promising an IN/OUT referendum on the EU, the Conservatives should win an outright majority!
Good plan – it worked the last time!
He didn’t try it last time.
Did the U-turn before the election.
I’m not sure it would people wouldn’t believe him.
I think Dave would only promise that if he knew for sure he wouldn’t win the election and would never have to deliver on it, in those circumstance he’d say it just to maximise the number of seat they held on to. This is a classic Lib Dem trick actually and I think they used that exact promise actually.
Labour supported an in or out vote only when the new the Tories and the Lib Dems would stop it.
POLITICIANS TREAT US LIKE WE’RE Hunts!!!
If Cameron does nothing at all then it seems to me that UKIP could be to the Tories what the SDP/Alliance was to Labour in 1983 and 1987 .
He’s going to have to try to cope with them- if it means a referendum sobeit. I just want to be sure that we don’t let Labour back in on a split vote. I’ve only about a decade left in work and I don’t want them back to bugger up what’s left of my business-I’ve no time to build another.
Errr. right. What did Labour do about SDP? Adopted their policies.
Shirley Williams of the SDP was directly responsible for buggering up our education systems, which just goes to show just how sh*t their policies really were.
Your point being ?
Blair pinched the SDP’s policies and took their votes. Cameron will have to appear to address some UKIP issues to retain/recover those votes. I can’t see that ignoring their existance is an option. Otherwise a split centre-right vote will let in Milliband under FPTP.
I see the swivel-eyed are out in force this morning.
At least they are all in one place.
Let them have a good old rant in Guido’s asylum.
Then they can all fuck off and leave the non-senile alone.
completely and regularly!
GGCFUYOA @178
BREAKING NEWS: Tower Hamlets bucks the tend of low voter turn out with a record 173% voter turnout.
If I was not, smugly, sat here in New Zealand saying I told you so I would vote UKIP
So Baroness Warsi went on the TV last night and accused me and all other UKIP voters of being a B NP supporters? If this is true then she must apologise.
Baoness we voted UKIP because of its pro British policies unlike your left of center Concervative party which is pro Europe.
She is an appalling woman. Too stupid to realise she is stupid
Its quite amusing. I cast votes for both the tories and UKIP for the first time in many years yesterday because I think Boris is better than Paddick and Ken and I want a referendum on Europe, but the chairman of the tories thinks I am a BN-P supporter. Well, there was a BN-P candidate standing and they did not get my vote. They will never get my vote.
Incidentally, when did the Baroness last stand for election the public could vote in? Its about time there was a public vote to clean out the placemen, rent-seekers and dodgy party poltical also-rans who populate the upper house these days
I’d rather vote the B & P than vote for Warsi if both were standing.
But wait.
She has never won a vote anyway.
Just another non-elected gobby shite.
Actually we don’t need a vote to clear out all the placepersons We just need the PM to stand up and terminate their services with immediate effect. No need to replace them either as there are far too many empty heads already in the Lords chamber.
Replicant Dave suddenly growing a spine and autonomous thought – never
Last nights QT on The BBC.
Mark Serwotka and Harriet Harman just sum up why this country is in such a mess. Both are an utter disgrace.
The whole shadow front bench are a disgrace, 2 Eds, Hat, Yvette, etc. Then you have creeps like Watson. The make my skin crawl, the way they are all in denial about their role, in the state the country is in is also very worrying.
you still watch QT?
It is becoming increasingly clear that as Conservative votes “haemorrage” to UKIP that neither Cameron nor any other putative Conservative leader has any prospect whatever of winning an outrighjt majority at the next election, without giving way at least on a EU Referendum.
It will be up to UKIP leaders, members and voters to keep up and increase that pressure and to refuse to allow the Conservatives to believe that they might get away with offering less. But given past experience of Cameron’s promises, any agreement would require irrevocable commitment to
1/ A free vote for all MPs and Ministers
2/ Equal funding and air time for both sides
3/ An irrevoccable commitment to take us out of the EU if 51% of voters say so.
4/ The BBC’s political and political News output closed down for the duration. Even better, close them down permanently and send the Haw Haws there to jail
Idris
I agree, and being serious can something be done about the partisan reporting on the BBC, in no way is their reporting unbiased. It has reached a stage when an official investigation should be done.
The BBC will be doing a lot more puff pieces for UKIP I reckon.
They know that UKIP presents a divide-and-conquer strategy for Labour.
The question I have is – does Warsi’s claim that the B&P and UKIP are one and the same mean that we will see the equalities commission prosecuting Nigel Farage on some racist pretext to tie him and his party up in expensive and time-consuming litigation in the same way that Labour set out to sideline the B&P.
One to watch.
The “Equalities” commission is another one that Dave should have shut down on day 1. He really is a useless pr*ck.
“can something be done about the partisan reporting on the BBC”
Yep. Don’t watch it.
UKIP do seem a bit strange, however, i think of cameron was to get one of his most anti-euro MPS to talk to UKIP and do a binding deal on a in/out vote on europe on trafalgar day. the tories/ukip coalition will get in.
As for council losses despite dave saying it a shame, i would be pissing myself senseless, as all those labour councillors who have got in now have to make some hard budget choices instead of bleeting on about tory cuts.
as all those labour councillors who have got in now have to make some hard budget choices instead of bleeting on about tory cuts.
The ‘hard’ choices will involve printing a glossy monthly newsletter explaining to the voters why their libraries are being closed down as a result of the ‘too deep, too fast’ coalition cuts. The leaflets will not mention the new salaries and expenses for all the Labour councillors on the various committees they’ll be doling out between themselves to hand jobs to their brothers, brothers-in-law, fictitious companies for ‘work’ that nobody asked for etc etc. All at outrageous mark-up and all competing non-insider bids disqualified on spurious grounds . ‘No disability policy’. ‘No diversity policy enclosed.’
“in/out vote on europe on trafalgar day”
It would have to be held after Scotland’s independence referendum.
If Scotland’s votes for in/out of the EU tipped the result one way or the other, and they then opted to leave the UK, the EU referendum result would be illegitimate.
If Dave thinks he’s took a kicking in this one he needs to thank his lucky stars that the majority of the shire counties weren’t voting. When they do there’ll be no mistaking the message. Vote UKIP.
Cressinda,
If UKIP want out of Europe what effect will voting in local councillors have. They have little national influence ???
The local councils provide party activists with jobs and cash and access. If the local party does okay or at least doesn’t fuck up entirely then they can translate that into more support in national elections.
That’s why the Lib Dems are so upset about local election results. Some folk may give their time for free because they’re true believers but a lot of a party’s footsoldiers come from those who are making some kind of a living or part-living out of being party loyalists. Local councillors for example.
That’s why Labour has so many foot-soldiers. Because – aside from councillors (and 2010 probably represented a nadir for them head-count-wise) they still have thousands of pilgrims who rely for the unions/Labour party for their very existence. And of course the BBC.
UKIP are simply trying to build up a a party machine like the S&P had to.
Warsi should be taken to the cleaners for intimating that UKIP and BNP are one and the same.
What a breathtaking lie, ….Goebbels would be proud of her.
Stalin would make her head of the Moscow School of Disinformation and Propaganda.
She has demonstrated that sh is unfit for purpose.
As for Mandy, yet another demonstration of his pragmatism.
WE DO WE WANT, REFERENDUM, WHEN, NOW.
I think we need a right-of-centre Libertarian Party of note, hopefully with Farage, Hannan and others taking a lead.
Even if UKIP gained a majority, they would NEVER SUCCEED in taking the UK out of the EU. We are too enmeshed. By your own admission most of our laws are EU-made. It will never happen.
I think they would suceed. it just needs to europe to become an even bigger mess than it is.
>It will never happen.
Who is forking out for Spain then?
More trillions about to be printed.
At some point or another terminally ill cancer patients die from the cancer riddling their bodies, what makes you think the EU will be any different?
UKIP are not proposing going the whole way. They would still abide by the rules of a common market but would withdraw from the awful political project that we have been sucked into.
So why can’t Cameron do that?
I’ll give you one guess.
To listen to the BBC you would think the whole country voted last night. Well it did not, in fact most of the country was NOT voting.
Oi, Hague, you fucktard. Care to explain how an Argie film crew can do what they did ‘without permission’?
I shall write to the Argentinians and tell them they were very very naughty. And if they do it again, I shall write them a letter which will include a picture of our dismantled aircraft carrier, HMS Ark Royal, and I shall tell them in no uncertain terms, “if you invade the Falklands, I will jolly-well send you another picture of that aircraft carrier. A possibly some photos of Sea Harriers.”
That’ll show them.
Better to post one back of the Belgrano rusting on the seabed.
Argentina still has the same crappy 1970′s airforce they had in the ’80′s.
We may only have 6 planes on the Islands but they are 6 modern ones.
So when Argentina lands a small commercial airliner on the island, and 200+ troops swarm out, overrun the local garrison (stealing their iPods and making them cry), they’ll also have 6 new Typhoon fighter aircraft?
Velly interesting..
The real problem for Dave is that even if he promised an In/Out referendum in the Conservative manifesto for the next election, no-one would believe he would have any intention of actually holding one if elected to government.
I give you a cast-iron guarantee that my election manifesto promises will be guaranteed to last a lifetime*.
*of a butterfly.
We’re a good pair – so good I could – and will, – cry! – see my lip quiva?
We’re Rich!
We’re anything to anybody!
We can fool alotta people alotta the time
And we’re straightkindaguys!
You could fool a lot of the people a lot of the time, my old friend and mentor, by I just don’t seem to be able to do it.
I am the blue-blooded social superior of the grotty little middle-class oiks who infest this country, and when I bally-well tell them what’s what, I expect them to accept my wisdom without question. If I tell them I won’t use their wages to prop-up the Euro, and I then spend tens of billions of pounds doing precisely that, I do not expect criticism. I was born to rule and this is my country.
Well at least Guido reveals his true colours – although, if imposed during this age of austerity, civil unrest would be the only outcome of a hardline right-of -centre government.
I’m afraid UKIP doesn’t stand much chance of gaining more than a few seats in 2015 after AV was rejected in a referendum a year ago tomorrow.
The ‘No’ campaign’s machinations, funded for the most part by Conservative donors, destroyed the chance of this modest reform which would have encouraged many more people to vote for their real preference.
The dreadful ‘Yes’ campaign’s refusal to engage with UKIP and Baroness Warsi’s mantra that (yes, you’ve guessed it) a vote for AV will let in the BNP, has ensured the continuation of the status quo until a more representative voting system for electing MPs is introduced.
I’m convinced people were hungry for more details of our plans for Lord’s Reform!
Watt?
Pssst! Tell them more about your Big Society, Dave! The people are all really excited about it!
The BBC are getting so excited it’s actually embarrassing. I’m expecting the Champagne bottles to be out for Labour.
Except of course it looks like Glasgow is going SNP and of course the BIG ONE tonight, Boris.
Anyone who remembers how fatty Stephen Nolan RAGED at Boris’ win in 2008 should tune into Radio 5 tonight.
I hope you’re right but I wouldn’t take anything for granted.
Labour took Bradford for granted and got their arse well and truly handed to them by Galloway.
Many of the same voting demographic is at large in London and Ken has been using the same tactics as George to galvanise their vote.
There is a reason Labour didn’t totally spit the dummy out over postal voting after Bradford and this election is it. This time they hope it will work in their favour as it has in so many different constituencies before.
I wouldn’t bet against it.
I believe Boris is/was 20-1 on to win. If Ken is/was on the reciprocal of those odds ie 20 – 1 or even 10 – 1 against then I suggest that is/was a much better value bet.
Can we have a Party devoted to the abolition of politicians?
Don’t live in London so not really bothered apart from wanting the newt shagger buried without trace and a Boris win would have the bedwetters foaming at the mouth again. Go Boris.
Question. Who’d make a better leader of the Tories? Farage or Camonblair? Quite. That’s why Camonblair and Osbrown don’t want to know. They’d be doomed.
Boris would make the best leader. Both Cameron and Osborne are left wingers
WTF – Government apply to Leveson to become a core participant
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17951137
Yes that’s right,
METhe Government want complete transparency and honesty in the proceedings, and I also want to the right to lodge an expensive appeal if the rulings don’t go my way.Yes that’s right, ME The Government want complete transparency and honesty in the proceedings, and I also want to the right to lodge an expensive appe@l if the rulings don’t go my way.
Sorry Guido, but you were cheerleader for keeping the first past the post system. If UKIP could win seats proportional to their national vote, the right could unite in Parliament. As it is, the chances of there being a Tory majority in the foreseeable look wafer thin.
Cammoron has made it clear he wants to link to the centre left. Problem with PR is you will never get a single party in power and end up with the jocks dominating Westminster and it’s bade enough with them as it is now.
Jocks dominating? Not if ol’ fishface has his way.
Well at least Guido reveals his true colours – although, if imposed during this age of austerity, civil unrest would be the only outcome of a hardline right-of -centre government.
I’m afraid UKIP doesn’t stand much chance of gaining more than a few seats in 2015 after AV was rejected in a referendum a year ago tomorrow.
The ‘No’ campaign’s machinations, funded for the most part by Conservative donors, destroyed the chance of this modest reform which would have encouraged many more people to vote for their real preference.
The dreadful ‘Yes’ campaign’s refusal to engage with UKIP and Baroness Warsi’s mantra that (yes, you’ve guessed it) a vote for AV will let in the BNP, has ensured the continuation of the status quo until a more representative voting system for electing MPs is introduced.
维他麦 gone, what next?
便秘
Why is the BBC showing UKIP amongst ‘Others’?
Could be something to do with tunnel vision or self induced myopia.
Who are UKIP?
UKIP are essentialy the future political party for those Conservatives who have awoken from the slumber to watch the party they were once proud to vote for implode under the stewardship of Useless and Hopeless.
Fuck Shit Bollocks. That’s my UK political careet over then, my kid brother’s job is now safe. Let’s hope he becomes the next PM and sends me off to Europe to take over from Kathy, I quite fancy my own private jet.
What is called the Centre Left is bigger than the Centre Right. In the UK around 55% to 60% of voters are basically social democratic and only about 40% to 45% are on the free-market centre right end of the political spectrum.
The problem the centre left has had for the last 3 or 4 decades is that FPTP rewards the single biggest party, under FPTP it is not so much how many votes you get as how many more votes did you get than your nearest rival.
For decades the entire centre right were united round the Conservative Party while the left were pretty messed up, the Labour Party were very extreme for a while when Labour had the militant tendency and the voters were divided between Labour, Liberals and the nationalists in Scotland and Wales who are also on the centre left.
Now this is changing, the right is becoming split between UKIP and the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats will lose a lot of voters to Labour. In Scotland Labour might not recover but the Tories won’t pick up the old seats that the Conservatives used to have their under Thatcher and Major.
Dave might wish he hadn’t tried so hard to stop AV!!
Not true, if you take out the unwashed scum north of the border and left wing shitholes like Liverpool and Newscatle the bulk of the Country is centre right. The Tories have won the popular vote in England for years. Not all Limp Dems are leftists many are probably potential left of the Tory party voters.
Im glad to know you consider me” unwashed scum” by virtue of the fact Im a Scot. Thank you for being so candid in letting us see what kind of a creature you are. Forgive me for treating your pearls of wisdom with utter contempt.
Im pleased to know you consider me” unwashed scum” by virtue of the fact Im a Scot. Thank you for being so candid in letting us see what kind of a creature you are. Forgive me for treating your pearls of wisdom with utter contempt.
If you do not wash, you are unwashed. If you wash, you are not unwashed, whether or not you live north of the border. Don’t be so bloody chippy. You give Scots a bad name.
“Not true, if you take out the unwashed scum north of the border and left wing shitholes like Liverpool and Newscatle” – Well, I think you might have just proven my point there. Places like Newcastle, Liverpool, etc are full and equal parts of the UK. If your argument is ‘yeah but if you took them out it wouldn’t be’ kinda proves my point that it is, because you can’t just ‘take them out’. It’s a fact, deal with it.
The total populations of Liverpool and Newcastle combined in no way match the rest of the country. The problem seem to be the tiny constituencies in too towns/areas that return a disproportionate number of members.
And McTavish above was caught because he typed pe*rls – which any regular knows would fail. He must be new here (just got a passport maybe?
Cameron running neck and neck with Brown.
Swinging would be preferable to running.
Leveson – independent?
too independent for Dave it seems
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/may/04/leveson-inquiry-rebekahwade
Yes that’s right,
METhe Government want complete transparency and honesty in the proceedings, and I also want to the right to lodge an expensive appe@l if the rulings don’t go my way.Today is a good day to bury interesting news
Is this story in any of the other papers or just the grunDiaan?
We will never get out of the EU. The main political parties and the BBC will join together to brainwash the population into staying in the EU. The BBC will be funded by the EU to provide the propaganda.
Even if we did get a Y0UK1P government M3rk3l would have it replaced like she’s done in Greece and Italy. NOTHING will be allowed to prevent a fourth Reich from dominating Europe, this time with BMW’s and not Panther tanks.
Vee ave ways of making you vote
Not “panther”, Panzer. It’s ‘tank’ in German. So you don’t need to say “panzer tank”, because that’s like saying “tank tank”.
I thought that the Panther was a type of German tank. Or was the Jagdpanther a tank destroyer?
Are a bunch of religeous nutjobs!
We’re not.
SENIOR Eurocrats are secretly plotting to create a super-powerful EU president to realise their dream of abolishing Britain, we can reveal.
A covert group of EU foreign ministers has drawn up plans for merging the jobs currently done by Herman Van Rompuy, president of the Europe@n Council, and Jose Manuel Barroso, president of the European Commission.
The new bureaucrat, who would not be directly elected by voters, is set to get sweeping control over the entire EU and force member countries into ever-greater political and economic union.
Tellingly, the UK has been excluded from the confidential discussions within the shady “Berlin Group” of Europhile politicians, spe@rheaded by German foreign minister Guido Westerwelle.
This is a truly ridiculous idea that must never be allowed to happen
Euro-MP Paul Nuttall, of the UK Independence Party
Opponents fear the plan could create a modern-day equivalent of the Europe@n emperor envisaged by Napoleon Bonaparte or a return to the Holy Roman Empire of Charlemagne that dominated Europe in the Dark Ages.
Ha, Freudian slip by Maitlis just now, talking about the Labour gains she just said “these are the ones we were after”
Really Emily? not impartial then?
Quick get the edit suite powered up
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May 4, 2012 at 12:47 pm
SENIOR Eurocrats are secretly plotting to create a super-powerful EU president to realise their dream of abolishing Britain, we can reveal.
A covert group of EU foreign ministers has drawn up plans for merging the jobs currently done by Herman Van Rompuy, president of the Europe@n Council, and Jose Manuel Barroso, president of the Europe@n Commission.
The new bureaucrat, who would not be directly elected by voters, is set to get sweeping control over the entire EU and force member countries into ever-greater political and economic union.
Tellingly, the UK has been excluded from the confidential discussions within the shady “Berlin Group” of Europhile politicians, spe@rheaded by German foreign minister Guido Westerwelle.
This is a truly ridiculous idea that must never be allowed to happen
Euro-MP Paul Nuttall, of the UK Independence Party
Opponents fear the plan could create a modern-day equivalent of the Europe@n emperor envisaged by Napoleon Bonaparte or a return to the Holy Roman Empire of Charlemagne that dominated Europe in the Dark Ages.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/318045/EU-plot-to-scrap-Britain
As it was written
I do wonder if that’s why Bliar has emerged
Any jobs going?
Yep, they’re all going abroad.
UKIP is the B&P with a tie on. Good luck with that.
I don’t know if you’ve ever noticed but the B&P do wear ties Jimmy.
Only in court.
Jimmy is short for James
Jimmy is short
for JamesAnd the labour front bench are simply SWP whack jobs that have been educated at the best private schools and then top universities.
That’s right we have experts fresh out of University scribbling down our policies
Oh Jimmy, you are a real sweety , or should that be Sweaty?
The notion that Heath2 would vote alongside Farage for an “Out” vote is utterly delusional. Europhilia is an essential ingredient in the DNA of One Nation Tories.
I wouldn’t believe an in/out referendum on the EU from Millibland if he had it tatooed on his forehead, remember Lisbon, the constitution that miraculoulsly morphed into a treaty. Remember Brown sneaking off to Brussels like a thief in the night. Remember that photo of him, pen in hand, rictus grin, eyes bright and shining like a dingo in the dark, remember?
As for repatriation. Why not go back to 97 when New Labour embarked on their enrichment programme. Those who have contributed to UK, worked, paid taxes etc, can stay. Those that have consistently leeched of the taxpayer like the repugnant Chowdry and family must leave.
IMO, simple but fair.
This comment was removed from con home in the blink of an eye, as was my questioning of it’s removal. Is what i said SO incendiary, or is Montgomerie et al, little more than a bunch of gutless sycophants?
Scathing or otherwise,at least i can be sure of an honest response here, right?
You have my cast iron guarantee that all responses on here will be honest*
*Actual Honesty may vary.
Prince Phillip’s attempt to bump him off in the plane accident did not work, so it must be plan B then? huh.
These are the ministers applying for core participation ….
David Cameron, Nick Clegg, Vince Cable, Jeremy Hunt, Michael Gove, Theresa May, Ken Clark and George Osborne
Approved
Does core participation involve buying (or getting presented as a freebie with) an Apple?
(I don’t think blackberries have cores).
Its core as in rotten to the
Warsi on BBC News now about UKIP smear.
Say’s it all really.
http://tinyurl.com/ca8lrxo
Time UKIP infiltrated and took control of the Tory Party. Our future does not lie in the EU and never has. The only means of opposing the EU and defeating this Socialist nightmare is a Tory triumph.
Nice idea but the Conservative party have had it – especially in the old Tory home Counties.
The Party was hijacked by self serving chippy oiks about 20 years ago who only look after their own kind. They don’t want intelligent private sector types. They are on the gravy train and are control freaks. Thankfully they are headed toward old age and hang on in case their past misdeeds are exposed (planning usually).
I have seen their protegees. Clever unemployable oiks who did meeja studies and politiks at Uni. No integrity written on their foreheads.
The only way forward is to wipe these smug bastards out at the ballot box. Vote UKIP.
Re Ms Warsi – as one wag put it on these pages a while back “I’d like to suck her big black nipples then kick her the fuck out of the country”.
Meanwhile Guido’s efforts to posit a ‘realigned’ political spectrum with no place for the socially conservative working class to go just show him up as a psy-ops agent for Murdoch.
‘decade long splintering’?! More like 20 years! Time for radical change and a return to true Conservatism. No self respecting marketeer would rubbish an opponent’s product for this long whilst also failing to sell sufficient quantities of his own.
It would also be quite nice to have some senior people in place who have actually run things!
As Nelson would say Ha Ha, the prick Dave is suffering for betraying his main voter base. He has revealed his true colours that he is nothing but a Conservative in name only, he’s a cultural marxist and now he’s losing big time at the polls, sadly the British electorate are showing why they continually get shat upon by the establishment by voting labour, god the masses are really asses, no wonder the establishment loves dumbocracy.
The affirmative action appointee is showing where her loyalties lie by smearing the UKIP, but we all knew that already.
Joined UKIP 2 weeks ago after a lifetime of supporting, canvassing, giving money to the Conservatives.
Dave you are blithering idiot. What is all this Dave crap? Your name is David. Well it was when you were elected to Whites which you dumped.
Never apologise for who or what you are. Never be ashamed. Why are you? Stand by your word? Not a chance you Slough Grammar boys are all the same.
How DARE he use a common shortened version of his name.
You UKIP trolls really are a sour, humourless bunch aren’t you?
“it is noticeable just how many activists the Conservative youth and students wings are haemorrhaging to UKIP.”
Fuck me, Fawkes, you mean like all the spotty herberts you were drinking flat Peroni with at Millbank last night? Tory Party needs most of those fuckers like a whole in the head.
“Nigel Farage doesn’t want to be in Brussels a day longer than he has to be, it is time to bring him home…”
Bollocks does he, he enjoys all that free tasty Belgian beer on the taxpayers’ tab too much…
Nigel Farage: the King over the water.
By 2015 UKIP will be the third party officially, despite the politically biased BBC. When we do get into power the TV licence should be abolished and the BBC made to stand on it’s own feet.
‘Cast-Iron’ Cameron is a closet Lib-Dem and the Tories would be better off ditching him. Warsi is as big a racist as Diane Abbot.
I stood as a UKIP candidate in Plymouth, coming second behind a safe Labour candidate but eating into his majority. Total votes across 19 wards were; Labour 25,261, Cons 17,801, UKIP 11,935, Lib-Dems 1,741, Greens 941. And they still call us ‘others’.
We are a growing, strong party and Cameron is looking over his shoulder
Could Mandy be running scared? Labour has more to fear from UKIP!
“Nigel Farage doesn’t want to be in Brussels a day longer than he has to be”
Wouldn’t be so sure about that, he loves troughing away.