Team Ken Send Out Tax Lines to Tweet Script
Labour have often denied they use command and control techniques on Twitter, yet strangely their Shadow Ministers, MPs and activists always end up singing from the same hymn sheet. Guido has long suspected this unity is fake and that lines to take are pushed out by spinners. Well it turns out that hunch was right:
From: “Tom Copley KenLivingstone.com”
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 13:47:37
Subject: Ken’s tax and income: urgent online engagement███████ –
Details of Ken’s tax and income – signed off by his accountant – is now online here:
http://www.kenlivingstone.com/ken-releases-details-of-incometax
This shows that last year he paid the full income tax required on all his earnings at a rate of 35%. This is higher than Brian Paddick but lower than Boris Johnson because unlike Johnson Ken does not fall into the 50p tax bracket.
Guido Fawkes is using dodgy maths to try and claim that Ken only paid 14.5% in income tax last year:
This is deliberately misleading. They’ve calculated this figure by dividing the amount Ken paid in tax on dividends by all the money in the company. This is ridiculous – Ken does not own the whole company and money in the company was used to employ other members of staff. Ken has paid the full income tax required on all the money he has taken out of the company as shown in the accounts.
The truth on Ken’s taxes, from that “left-wing stalwart” the Spectator (of which Boris Johnson was a former editor) – is here:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/7766343/how-much-tax-do-the-mayoral-candidates-pay
We need you to urgently engage @GuidoFawkes, @MrHarryCole, @DaveMorgan25, @BackBoris2012 and @Boris_Backer on Twitter to rebut their lies. Please tweet the link to the Spectator article too.
Best wishes,
Tom Copley
Digital Campaigns Coordinator
Ken Livingstone for London
How’s that urgent engagement going?
UPDATE: Well badly is the answer. The Spectator have now updated the article that Labour were so keen to push:
“It seems Ken’s campaign is trying to use our chart as proof that he isn’t avoiding tax. It isn’t. Our figures for Ken are simply the amount he’s declared he pays in tax divided by his declared personal income. It’s what he claims his effective tax rate is, not what we claim it is.”
Urgent engagement required.
What a bunch of twats!!!!
I will not tolerate any rudness abot my heros
so ken avoided the 50% tax rate – shurley he would not avoid a tax he feels should not be repealed…
how many london grannies have to pay to cover Kens avoidance, he was quick to say how many would have to pay for boris increase….
The report will claim that Mr Hammond acted last year to limit his exposure to the new 50p top rate of tax by moving shares in his family property business into the name of his wife, who pays tax at a lower rate. He did so after the 50p rate was announced but six months before it came into effect in April. The programme estimates that the move saves him more than £26,000 a year.
It also says that Mr Hammond, who is worth £7 million, has ‘not received a penny’ from the firm, Castlemead, in salary, instead receiving cash in the form of share dividends – a tax-efficient measure used by the wealthy.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1321217/Channel-4-explosive-row-millionaire-Tories-tax-dodge-investigation.html#ixzz1rB9SgCLL
And Ken has his snout in precisely the same trough, and is trying to pretend he hasn’t. It’s a standard technique which HE HAS BEEN CAUGHT USING while claiming otherwise.
Ken’s best points,
1: He is a liar.
2: He is a hypocrite.
3: He is a opportunistic coward.
4: He is a posturing fraud.
Boris changed London around £2,400 pounds to come back from his holiday in Canada. Jasper to Calgary Airport, Canada £191.48, Return flights from Canada to London £2,098 and Taxi from Heathrow to Central London £65.
Why did the ticket cost £2,098, you can buy ticket for few hundred pounds also any airlines would have been happy to chance the date on the ticket for free given what was happening. I am sure Boris had a return ticket when he went.
http://static.london.gov.uk/mayor/expenses/docs1112/B-Johnson.pdf
So when Boris and Ken do the same Ken is a tax dodger and Boris is a honest man!
If you need to return to London urgently then probably you will not be able to amend your cheap economy ticket because they’re usually booked well in advance. I understand that Boris had to get a business class ticket because the economy section was fully booked.
BTW
What’s the cost of a round trip ticket to Cuba for oneself and one’s entourage.
To all who are interested:
Emma Beal is a 50:50 shareholder with Ken. On 26/6/2008 Ken increased the number of shares in VATLIES ltd from 1 to 2. The second share was given to Ms Beal.
Note Companies House Webcheck entries (explanations in square brackets after each entry) :
Document 88(2) [change of share allocation]
26/06/2008 [date of document filing]
AD 17/06/08 [date of share transfer]
GBP SI 1@1=1 [increase in total share value of £1]
GBP IC 1/2 [increase of total share number from 1 to 2]
The downloaded document shows clearly on the last page that the new share (half of the 2 shares in the company) was allocated to Ms Emma Mary Beal of 52 Ivy Road Crickelwood.
Dividends are paid per share. So, whatever Ken got, Emma got the same. Could anyone honestly argue that she earned that money through VATLIES Ltd? No. Ken is doubling his tax-free dividend take by passing half of it through Emma. After that, I would imagine it finds its way direct to a current account.
Guido – Ken is paying much less than 14% tax. Count on it.
So, Cricklewood an actual place?
I had been under the mipression that it was somewhere created by Alan Coren.
Just above Kilburn on the High Road (A5) you mug.
We’ve not all done the knowledge guvvna.
By giving half of his company to Emma Beal it allows her to use her personal allowance of £7475 tax free which she would otherwise lose, since she lost her £90k pa job at City Hall (when Ken was Mayor).
He personally chose to employ her from a cast of errm….one.
Of course the Silveta money was generated by Ken, but he claims that Ms Beal made a significant contribution to Silveta’s profits from the attic of their posh house in posh Cricklewood. I doubt it.
I expect that he regrets starting the mud slinging now. But then again, it’s all he knows!
Anymongs best points,
1: He is a liar.
2: He is a hypocrite.
3: He is a opportunistic coward.
4: He is a fraud
Can I ask where Guido studied maths?
I never realised that it is that bad in this country. When calculating my income do I just take mine or everyone who lives in my road?
Good! That’s it, keep at them! Yes! Tory scum!
Only you can see, this, right?
Ha Ha
Love it Tom. Someone should reply this everytime this dick writes something.
To start with I’m sure there’s a bit of spin in the 14% figure.
However, The more they whinge and squeak about this, the more it becomes clear that Ken pays himself via a company.
Earning money yourself, and paying you+your wife via dividends is a dodgy trick. It looks like she isn’t actually getting paid – if she is, she’s earning more than ken, for ken’s ability to stand up and talk at the same time.
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Use a thief to catch a thief?
Ah. You got that email too. Apparently he is going to provide funds to needy countries but needs a bank account to make the transfers through.
Did Ken support IR35?
Guido has extensive experience of dealing with the revenue and has all sorts of interesting and creative ideas on the subject.
Guido has never nasally droned on about how rich bastards just don’t get ‘it’ and should pay more tax, while frantically avoiding tax himself and having an abortive run for Mayor.
It’s the hypocrisy Jimmy. The low, disgusting, reeking hypocrisy of it.
But you know that.
Sounds like you could probably do with a decent command and control tweet.
JH; do you know how Guido went bankrupt?
I thought that word was on the modbot list.
Jimmy avoids, or is it evades, the issue.
Guido is not attempting to worm his way into public office, avoiding tax after publicly vilifying others for doing exactly the same.
I know it all seems so UNFAIR, but you lefties love to create ikkle palavers like this when it suits, don’t you?
I can only imagine the yawning emptiness that envelops your core as you sit there, watching helplessly as those very same shrill ‘look over there!’ tactics are used against your man’s campaign with deadly effect.
Finally, I hope Guido won’t mind if I offer you your refund lads.
Now do one.
Yes I do mind. If shown the door by the management I shall leave with good grace. You on the other hind can go forth and multiply.
And I can assure you that Livingstone is very far from being “my man”.
Can’t see how a bankrupt can complain.
I think the point here is that Boris, and Brian have fairly transparent arrangements. They work, they earn they pay tax.
Ken on the other hand has a opaque company which pays both him and his wife equal dividends, even though her only work for said company is ‘typing Ken’s memoirs’. Does a part-time typing job constitute a 63K payout? Not in my world. This is simply Ken laundering money through his partner to get double-tax relief on his dividends.
Hardly opaque, it’s all there in Companies House. If you want opaque, look at Andrew Mitchell’s tax affairs.
Ashcroft!
Jimmy’s best points,
1: He is a liar.
2: He is a hypocrite.
3: He is a opportunistic coward.
4: He is a posing fraud
LBC Radio only paid commie Ken five grand a year? Pull the other one twat.
It would be perfectly within the rules to pull the other one.
OT (just)
Lee Grasper is on BBC “news”!
Fucking liars
What the **** Are you going on about now Guido
Guido ( Tory Blogger ) threads are become more looney as each day passes
Ha ha the socialist moron is rattled. Good.
+1
I will also just add a “ha ha”, for good measure.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
And I vill fart in iz general direction Ha haa.
+1 . tat is back with a whimper hahaha
I agree. I’d like to know if Guido or any of his associates receive any fees from Boris or any related parties in recognition for their relentless sabre rattling on Bojo’s behalf.
Sad day to see Guido cheerleading for us all to pay more tax because regardless of the fact that Ken is a shameless hypocrite that’s the point that will come out of all this – that it is morally repugnant to take steps to reduce the amount you hand over to a wasteful, inefficient state.
Livingstone only has three vices, he’s a liar, a hypocrite and a cowardly fraud.
and don’t forget my tax dodging too, yes the tax dodging is most important.
It is the right of every politician to be a hypocrite, liar, tax dodger, backhander receiver, payer of family members with taxpayer’s money, business associate of criminals, fornicator, pervert and spy. After all, with all the hard work we put in troughing, we are entitled to a few perks, and Ken and I, and many others, have been doing it for years. Boaz.
Riding around in my Range Rover Evoque
Looking for young girls to pick up and poke
Has Ken evaded any tax? Nope, so what’s the big deal? Do you any of you one eyed Tory supporters voluntarily pay more tax than you need to?
The big story isn’t Ken’s tax arrangments but how the fuck is a copper able to retire on £60k pa by the age of 50. I’ll give you a clue – all you schmucks in the private sector are paying for it at t he expense of your own pension provisions.
Poor. And get yourself a name.
He’s made his income flow through odd channels that make it “not income”. Something that the vast majority of the country don’t or can’t do. Its tax avoidance, and it relies on something of a porky (no offense to pork eaters) that suggests the money he is paid is not his income.
As for retired coppers. Thats about the poorest “look over there” swerve I’ve ever seen.
Brilliant. Redirection. Loving it.
I like the way you’re trying to distract them with an unnaturally framed reference to the public sector pissing money up the wall, which really gets them going apparently.
If I had a few more of you, for long enough, we could write Shakespeare.
Think about that. Beautiful.
The big deal is that he is a f***ing hypocrite but that just seems to be a requirement of being a socialist.
Oh and the said copper has probably paid more than 11% of his income over the past 30 years which is probably a lot more than you you anonymous twat.
> how the fuck is a copper able to retire on £60k pa by the age of 50
>how the fuck is a copper able to retire on £60k pa
Final Salary Scheme so he was on about 150K on leaving.
> how the fuck is a copper able to retire by the age of 50
Joined at age 20, Police scheme is 30 Years service then retirement.
I am not a policeman.
When members of the public start to look older by the day…it is time to retire and join the Liberals.
What it matter?
Haha busted, not even subtle about it.
Urgent engagement = panic.
Spin? No, they’ve bowled a wide.
“unlike Johnson Ken does not fall into the 50p tax bracket”
Fuck me. Are they serious?
But, don’t you know that ‘the Silveta money was just resting in Ken’s account’?
Why would you post something that just shows you did actually try and mislead people on the figures? quite obviously….
Brilliant! Do 100 more of these today and you might get to meet Ken.
But he will have to bark like a dog to get his own stack of envelopes to stuff
So do you think Ken lives on £5 grand a year?
Are you naive enough to think that politicians actually know what they’re up to?
They are certainly arrogant enough to imagine we can’t see what they are up to and who benefits.
Where we certainly diverge:
I’ll always go with thick rather than fiendishly intelligent and cunning, but careless
And watch how all the sad little student twativists fell obediently into line – even quoting the “left-wing stalwart” line word-for-word.
A more pitiful, clueless, lemming-like bunch of losers is hard to imagine.
hahahaha … spot on squire !
Howl at the moon you Leftie wankers, Ken’s be caught with his kecks down and his pockets full of unpaid tax – and you tossers have been caught trying to cover for him – No frigging shame – the lot of you.
Course he doesn’t fall into the 50% tax bracket – the slimy little sh*t avoids it!!
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“He (Ken) does not own all of the company”. Erm….but really, he does. Ken is even now refering to it as “HIS company”.
Maybe a chunk of shares are parked in Wifey’s name? Nonethless, hollow distinction.
Surely there isn’t much more foot that can possibly fit in Ken’s mouth, based on pure square inch-age.?
Ken owns one share. Emma owns the second. There are no other shares. Check companies house. Emma takes EXACTLY the same dividend as Ken (she has to – they’re per-share dividends). So, if he refers to it as HIS company, he’s obviously just laundering dividend money through his wife to get double the dividend tax-discount.
I watched about 4 minutes of Newsnight last night, and Ken did say it was a way of paying staff.
That would be OK if:
a) he was getting paid as income, not dividends
b) his staff (ie wife), was getting something like a normal wage for what she was doing.
No doubt she’s getting a wage as well. Just below a tax threshold as well as getting a dividend.
Tax Avoidance at its most finest.
As practised by all raging Tories.
I think there are several things that Ken is hiding from us.
Why would I care how much tax either of them pays? Unless the accusation is that one or both of them is guilty of criminal tax evasion then they are paying tax in accordance with the same rules as apply to everyone else. If there’s a problem it’s with those rules.
Excellent, well done. Be ready to completely ignore this basic fact if it turns out Boris has – completely legally – evaded any tax though.
We’ve got to keep teaching these rich bastards a lesson comrade. Keep it up.
You might care if you thought being a lying hypocrite was not a good qualification to be Mayor.
I would have thought it the minimum qualification to be a candidate for any of the old parties.
Yes you might. Except that the evidence just presented today shows you absolutely clearly that the candidates of the other two Parties, the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats, are completely clean and honest about their tax.
So you are wrong. The Labour candidate is a lying hypocrite and the candidates from the other Parties are not.
I think there is a lesson in this.
There is indeed. The Labour candidate needs to get an accountant who’s as smart as the others’.
“tax avoiders are rich bastards who should not be allowed to vote” – Ken Livingstone (tax avoider and mayoral candidate).
Spot any hypocrisy there?
Wow, did I really say that? What I meant was other tax avoiding rich bastards should not be allowed to vote or stand for mayor, not me.
regardless of the maths, Labour an Ken are authoritarian shit bags
Let’s remove the assumption of innocent until proven guilty and introduce secret court hearings Dave, along with his Lib-Dim stalwarts of individual liberty, are doing a very passable impression of authoritarian arseholes too.
When they talk of a digital campaign, do they mean giving us electors the finger?
Two fingers, probably.
pull my finger
The admission of hypocrisy is confirmed by Miliband’s silence.
Well, after his own inheritance tax fiddle, he’s better off keeping a low profile.
And Upchucka and the rest of them. But Miliband doesn’t like to miss a good Bandwagon, must have been hard for him not to just blindly leap on as it passed.
Ken is an employer. He employs his wife to be married to him. The invisible man does odd jobs around the house. An Iranian is employed to inflate his ego. He sacked his hairdresser last Tuesday.
Ken’s snout is well and truly in the trough! Ken is soon to be outed.
Just another example of white men playing divide and rule.
Or in Ken’s case, dividend and rule !
As someone posted at the begining of this entertaining saga, ‘What about the VAT, What about the VAT, What about the VAT’ ????? Should he have paid it ? Vat people seem to be fairly keen on their pound of flesh.
Calm down dear!
I formally apologised for London’s role in the trans-atlantic slave trade Dianne, It made all the Britishers who voted for me feel better about themselves and relieved some of their white guilt. Like I told them, if you don’t vote for Labour then you’re just as bad as those slave traders, Islamophobics, homophobics, NAZI’s and baby eaters.
It doesn’t add up.
Not only do they use “command and control techniques” on Twitter, they do so on a much wider basis. You only have to read the letters in my local paper – the Nottingham Post – to see these techniques in operation.
They used to do it on the Al JaBeeBa message boards, too. There was a sockpuppet called Daryll who was so stupid he blew their cover and even the Northern Echo, the paper of the non-working northern layabouts, outed him.
What is this 11K “corporation tax on dividends” anyway? If Ken is claiming the company is not him, then he is not paying that tax. His company is, and the dividends are paid once that is removed. So he’s immediately added 11K to his statement of tax without it actually costing him any of it. His net income doesn’t alter. This looks like fancy footwork to make things look as if he’s paying more tax than Paddick.
And can we have the name of the accountant who “signed this off” please?
if I remember correctly, dividends are paid after corporation tax has been paid on profits. When you get a dividend, you are allowed to get a credit for the tax that was suffered on that element of profit. Ken’s calculation is including that credit
What’s are these Iranian shares in oil all about then? He has kept that quiet.
hurry hurry hurry please tweet Gordon Brown was a fucking financial disaster
#brownsoldthegoldforfuckall
The comments on this blog are hilarious. “Command and Control” techniques? Oh lol.
And its like The Tories are the pious nice Tory’s of the pre-2010 spin days. Clean hands and all that. What laughs.
“What laughs”!
What posh school did your mummy send you to. Greyfirars?
Are you THEE John Smith?.
If he is, I’d like a pint.
If he isn’t I still would.
Stella Artois is top totty.
OOOh look at the time 1654. what does that remind me of then?
No, him and Mr Kelly had to get out of the way.
If Ken Livingstone is saving on his tax bill, and doing so legitimately, does that not suggest he’s cleverer than the other two?
Not really. It means he is a slippery little eel.
Kevin Liversausage clever? naw…just low native cunning.
It would do if he wasn’t chasing the “Occupy” vote and hadn’t announced that people who avoid tax are “rich bastards who shouldn’t be allowed to vote”!
Even if what the Gobshite says is true it’s the HYPOCRISY stupids.
Lol….Its nothing to do with being clever……Its the fact he is a LYING FUCKIN HYPOCRITE, which bit of that cant you get into your fuckin head…..
So much mindless, intellect-crippling hatred!
Fuck me, the Dalai Lama is posting on here.
Are we supposed to bow?
Labour were in power for 13 years and still don’t understand the rules for company taxation.
The issue here is the company expenditure. Staff costs supporting political activity have gone through the books. Is that business related? If yes, then it was a donation to his campaign work that should have been declared. If not, then the staff should have been paid out of Ken’s after-tax income.
This arrangement has reduced the corporation tax payable – employing staff reduced the profit from media work. He could then choose to either build up a cash lump within the company for future benefit or declare dividends rather than salary, minimising his national insurance contributions. Overall, running the company this way has reduced the total tax payable by a significant amount that most taxpayers cannot do.
Any knowledgeable observer would take the view that the company is purely a tax minimisation vehicle, and your Maths is fine.
As a supplementary question, has there been any income shifting to Mrs Livingstone to further minimise tax? Is she a shareholder, also receiving dividends? Does she work through the company?
Is minimising tax liability an offence?
No. So why the fuss about Philip Green?
I no more made a fuss about Philip Green than I do about Ken Livingstone. I find it singularly unsurprising that people seek to minimise their tax liability. And I would not be so silly as to allow myself to be diverted by serial witch-hunts from the real issue – which is a tax/benefit system so unfit for purpose that it allows massive tax avoidance by the rich.
Those who do take up their torches and pitchforks to join the baying mob of angry villagers tend to compound their folly by imagining this to be an issue that divides along the fault-lines of political left and right. Tax-deductable bollocks! Successive governments of every hue have continued to mistakes of the past and added to them with their own.
And a person’s political philosophy is no great indicator of their susceptibility to the lure of filthy lucre.
Do left wingers’ dictionaries leave out the word “hypocrisy” or do you just not see the problem with saying one thing and doing another?
Not just saying one thing and doing another. Vilifying others and scapegoating them and then copying the very tax avoiing schemes he said loudly, publicly and repe-atedly were shamefully wrong and that people should be punished for.
Is minimising tax liability – after droning on about how rich bastards avoid tax and just don’t get it and should not be allowed to vote and then running for Mayor – a tad hypocritical?
No-one is claiming Ken has done something illegal, just that he is an utterly sickening hypocrite.
Of course, this is just the sort of palaver that lefties love to whip up when it suits them. It must really boil their piss to be on the receiving end for a change.
Ha Ha.
Do you see the whole world in terms of “lefties” and “us”? A tad shallow?
I recognise the hypocrisy. It just doesn’t seem to provoke in me the kind of spittle flecked fits of righteous indignation that it evidently induces in the shallow-minded.
I’m inspired by your post to log in to Labourlist and spend my afternoon disagreeing with whatever is posted.
Is that because you would do the same thing given the chance?
Oh look my petard!
You seem to imagine I am some kind of supporter of the Labour Party. And I have a sneaking suspicion that you are too comfortable with your prejudiced assumptions to have much interest in the facts.
it’s the HYPOCRISY stupids
Good point. Hypocrisy isn’t illegal; tax evasion isn’t either; but tax EVASION is. Ken needs to publish his full company accounts NOW and not hide behind an army of spotty tweeters.
Why would he do that? If there is reasonable cause to believe he has committed an offence then the onus is on the relevant authorities to find the evidence. Or are you suggesting some sort of Maoist regime of public confessions and ritual humiliation?
Funny how you arrived here just as Ken asked some of his spackers to engage with Fawkes
Another comedy conspiracy theorist heard from. Be sure to check under the bed to night.
I need to tell you about something very important that has jsut happened. A bad person called, er… hang on… right… called Gweedo said a bad thing about our much respected and in touch with the people progressive making it better person called… umm… okay… Ken. The Gweedo guy has his facts all wrong! and he probably doesn’t care about vulnerable people, like ethics and disableds! We all agree he’s dumb!
Participate!
Peace!
Groovy, dude! That’s how you students talk, yeh?
Keep it up and you’ll get a Useful Idiot Third-Class badge and free eraser.
Just make sure you don’t get a proper job if you ever want to advance in the party though, it makes the rest of us insecure.
OK, this is really important.
Ken is mixing up his own and his company’s tax to make it appear he’s paying more than he is.
The Corporation Tax on dividends is likely to be tax on the declared profit of his company. I would guess it’s a pro rata amount based on the proportion of dividends he receives from total dividends (50%?) and applied to the total corporation tax payment. So in a sense he is paying this as tax on dividends, it’s 11K that is generated to the exchequer as a result of the method he’s using to extract cash from his company.
But he hasn’t paid that money from his declared income, his company paid it from profits before issuing dividends. So to calculate the effective tax rate he is paying, you have to either remove that amount from the tax he’s paying – as he’s complaining that he is not the company so can’t by that logic allow the income from the company to be used to calculate his personal tax rate. OR you need to add that amount to his other income before calculating the effective tax rate though this would be misleading.
I’m pretty certain that is the game he’s playing here though. If you take the 11K off, even without worrying about the rest of the company or other dividends and dodges, his effective tax rate falls way down, I think below Paddick.
The question to ask is whether this tax payment was ever received by Ken and then paid out by him, or whether it was fielded completely by his company.
Slippery as a newt.
If you ask me no one should be allowed to vote in a British election, let alone sit in Parliament or be Mayor of London, unless they pay their full share of tax.
If Ken has a shred of decency he’ll stand down. [so he won't then.]
Keep a careful eye and ear open for the BBC to reflect Copley’s version of Ken’s whiter than white tax affairs in news bulletins. Either that, or they’ll have a simple comment that Ken has published his accounts in full and leave it at that with no analysis at all to show the real truth. But then, the BBC don’t seem to do truth these days!
Nothing on C4s ‘Fact Check’ either. A candidate for that blog if ever there was one.
No doubt snowsocks will berate Boris for calling newtface a liar if he can get him on.
Here is my blog post on Ken’s three tax avoidance scams: http://bit.ly/HRFE4q
There is a fourth that I can’t prove because he has not posted full company accounts. Without those and the personal tax details for his wife we will never have full transparency of Ken Livingstone’s tax affairs.
All this release of a summary of his taxes has done is lead to more questions, not answers.
Isn’t it also the case that the dividend corporation tax would have been paid by the company, not Ken, so should be removed from the tax statement. He didn’t pay that out of his declared income.
His personal tax liability is reduced by the amount of corporation tax already paid on the dividends.
It would end up being the same only if he paid all the company income back out as dividends in the same tax year to himself only.
I’ve read your stuff and you appecr to know what you’re on about.
So: the main tax advantage is spreading the payments over the years – fairly subtle, he might get away with that.
And paying his wife more than she’s “worth” – something that I’ve read about with the programmer and his wife.
But of course, one great thing about all this, is that he can claim not to be a 50% tax payer.
Exactly.
The government sets out a set of rules about tax rates and when they apply, then some people ignore them while others don’t.
That is why Labour’s whole ’50p rate’ issue was 100% politics, 0% economics.
Most people criticise Osborne for cutting the 50p rate when he should be criticised for leaving the tax avoidance loop holes for people like Ken which stop us having lower tax rates for everybody.
A classic case of needlessly crapping on your own doorstep bringing up the subject of Taxes in the first place, now the Ken Digital team are running around like headless chickens, sqwawk!.
Hoisted by his own petard or what?
Only in a metaphorical sense unfortunately.
My wife finds me very taxing as do my bastard children.
I’m sick to fucking death of yer!
Labour use command and control? Wtf for? Who the fuck listens to them? Labour puppets and other idiots?
Labour lost all of its authority and self respect when the skoolboy took over. Oh wait a minute, it was well before then.
This might make you laugh and forget about Ken
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2. Flabbergasted, adj. Appalled by discovering how much weight one has gained.
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4. Esplanade, v. To attempt an explanation while drunk.
5. Willy-nilly, adj. Impotent.
6. Negligent, adj. Absent-mindedly answering the door when wearing only a nightgown.
7. Lymph, v. To walk with a lisp.
8. Gargoyle, n. Olive-flavored mouthwash.
9. Flatulence, n. Emergency vehicle that picks up someone who has been run over by a steamroller.
10. Balderdash, n. A rapidly receding hairline.
11. Testicle, n. A humorous question on an exam.
12. Rectitude, n. The formal, dignified bearing adopted by proctologists.
13. Pokemon, n. A Rastafarian proctologist.
14. Oyster, n. A person who sprinkles his conversation with Yiddishisms.
15. Frisbeetarianism, n. The belief that, after death, the soul flies up onto the roof and gets stuck there.
16. Circumvent, n. An opening in the front of boxer shorts worn by Jewish men.
Peter Tatchell and his cock suckers can fuck off I think Yusuf al-Qaradawi is a good man, besides they’ll always be more religion of the pedo followers than cock suckers.
Time to see if old Frank Dobson is prepared to have another go as Labour candidate for Mayor I think.
Be forever in the Red with Ken n Ed.
Funny how his employment income in 2009/10 was £5,710.00
Of course your employer must start to pay National Insurance contributions once your income goes over that level… As does the employee.
It appears that Red Ken does not like to contribute to the NHS.
Does he have Private Medical Insurance, or just a free NHS paid for by the rest of us?
This just in about Ken Livingsone’s taxes, apparently he is using a shell company to… wait… oh, OK. His taxes are fine. Actually there is no story here. There is no Ken Livingstone. Everything is fine. We are fine here at the BBC headquarters and you must be fine too. You MUST be fine. Do not leave the building. Do not approach the polling booths until you have been urgently engaged. We have always been at war with Rupert Murdock.
There’s nothing more of relevance too say on this subject
– if indeed there ever was .
Yes , Ken DyingRock possibly does not pay as much tax as he should and yes possibly little or no NI.
But the populace who he is inveigling into voting for him don’t care and don’t understand even the general tenets of the ploy because with respect they are too mentally apathetic/dissolute to sit down and learn about it — at the expense of the loss of a night’s TV.
All they care about is that KL will reduce fares by 7 percent and not put them up again and freeze council tax on all of his watch and this will probably be sufficient to win him the election .
The rest is just white noise.
“…….will probably be sufficient to win him the election………….”
Really! I’ll have a big bet Livingslime won’t come close. The people dumb enough to believe that fraud, are also of the demographic who don’t actually like voting, especially in local elections.
The lies being told by pollsters (as always) so that the media have a desirable narrative about it being close etc, really shouldn’t be beleived. Boris will win it on first preference votes, most likely, and then cue the usual excuses form labour….right-wing press etc.
The only useful purpose of this thread is to show how easy it is to avoid paying taxes.
Perhaps we should scrap all allowances and tax incentives child benefit and family tax credits.
Instead everyone pays a flat 10% on everything they get from whatever sources.
Oh dear – That would amount to a tax reduction for super high earners and a tax increase for people who earn any amount near the current personal allowance.
Edkashun Edukashun Edukashun?!
Liam Fox charity sale nver happened. Tories and trust – chalk and cheese.
http://politicalscrapbook.net/2012/04/liam-fox-charity-sale-never-happened/