April 4th, 2012

Public Negativity Towards Cameron, Clegg, Miliband Maxing Out

YouGov regularly asks respondents do they approve or disapprove of the party leaders. Subtracting disapproval from approval gives a net approval rating. Guido can’t recall public negativity towards politicians being higher.

Collectively it stands at -121, that is minus one hundred and twenty-one. Dave’s personal ratings are at an all time low at -27, Clegg’s continue to be the worst at -53 and despite a bad week for the Tories, Ed Miliband’s personal rating went down further to -41. In short, the public hates all politicians.

The political class can forget forcing the public to pay for politics. We hate them all. The Guidoised perception of politics is mainstream…


  1. 1
    Ha! says:

    And they are all out of touch and self obbsessed with lining thier own pockets at the expense of the voters.

  2. 2
    Anonymous says:


    Political Betting had this exact same story days ago – you should ref them.

  3. 3
    misterned says:

    All in all, there is no significant difference between any of them on a whole raft of policies:

    pro-surveillance state,
    pro-EU subservience,
    Pro immigration,
    pro high taxes,
    pro climate change taxation and control,
    pro big government,
    pro ECHR,
    pro terrorists and criminals rights,
    pro corrupt corporate lobbying,
    Pro-big banker,
    pro high debt,
    pro-politically correct divisiveness,
    pro-merging our defence with that of France,
    soft on crime and law and order,
    soft on welfare…

    And even on deficit reduction there is now less than 1% difference between George Osborne’s current situation and Alistair Darling’s 2010 plan.

    There is no significant difference between all three main parliamentary parties.

    It is impossible to vote for any of them as a vote for change, because they are all the same.

    Only UKIP offers real change on each and every one of the above policy areas.

    I will vote UKIP.

  4. 4
    ukiplocal says:

    The charts tell us that Dave and Nick will hit minus 100% about the same time while Ed will take longer to get there. Dave and Nick should get there by the time of the local elections.

  5. 5
    misterned says:

    … And pleasing their EU masters instead of the 59% of voters that voted for either of the coalition parties.

  6. 6
    Peter Getard says:

    It would be interesting to see Alex Salmond’s rating.

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    Jess The Dog says:

    Prediction: Clegg and the Lib Dems will jump ship by 2013, leaving Cameron with a minority government and enough time (they hope) to nudge ahead of the other two languishing parties by 2015. Minority government could be a good thing… resulting in policies that actually need to be popular.

    On the other hand, is it time for a “None of the Above Party”? One manifesto commitment: pledge to a root-and-branch review of politics, overturning the entrenched political class that has taken hold since the 1980s.

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    Ha! says:

    My only problem with UKIP is they dont support gay marriage.

    I think its only fair that homosexuals have the same right to be misrable as hetrosexuals.

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    Bohemian Rapsheet says:

    People are waking up to the fact that all three party leaders are phoney. They’ve never worked in ordinary jobs. Clegg is Judas in a yellow suit. Miliband is a born loser with a dork voice. Cameron is a wet blanket who doesn’t know his elbow from his arse.

    Note the use of the “What I’d say…” response when people put a question to them. It is a substitute for “My scripted box-tick response to your question is…”

  10. 10
    misterned says:

    That would be UKIP then. Even a minority conservative (or even a majority) government cannot do most of what the tory back-benchers would like to do.

    The EU will not let them. Until that little problem is solved, we will never get any change in direction from the path we are all on. That path is determined by the EU.

    NONE of the main parties are even willing to consider doing what is required to give them the freedom to govern this country again. They are nothing more than EU rubber-stampers.

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    Gerry Mandering says:

    Today’s comment on secret trials just shows that the statist politicians that were a real problem for Labour have emerged in spades in the coalition.

    What is it about this lot that think they can decide everything for me in the smallest detail. And when we complain, they say “if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about” What a load of shit.

    Then they go off an plan to hide themselves. At least with the new Boundary Commission there will be 60 fewer of them by 2015.

    But then you have elected Mayors, elected Police Commissioners etc…Snouts in troughs all of them.

  12. 12
    Ex Conservative Voter says:

    “Collectively it stands at -121, that is minus one hundred and twenty-one.”

    Was that last bit for the benefit of those who were ‘educated’ under Labour?

  13. 13
    Jess The Dog says:

    None Of The Above would not be permitted as a political party name!


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    Cynical-old-bag says:

    I don’t know why anyone should be surprised. Politicians have been more and more disliked over the years.

    Instead of paying people to change their images, perhaps they should take a long hard look at their lifestyles in general. I think they will find that the public are sick to death of financing everything they say, and do.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    you forgot neo-endogenous Bank account raiding, and PFI of the roads.

  16. 16
    Ex Conservative Voter says:

    Hey, and that was of course before Dave “I hate state snooping” Cameron decided to introduce new intrusive state snooping laws.

    I wonder how hideous his personal rating is now.

  17. 17
    Simon says:

    In all the guff about Galloway and Bradford, let us not overlook the key fact that he was the “sod ‘em all, up yours!” candidate. Like Ken Livingston’s first term as Mayor of London, you might not want him but you value the distress it causes the powers that be.

  18. 18
    Sophie says:

    The local Conservative club had Nigel Farage speeches on the TV last night piped in frpm YouTube.

    One after the other. Unthinkable 6 months ago.

    There is a seismic shift going on in the Conservative heatlands.

    Cameron has to go. Osbourne has to go. The whole front bench & this coalition of New Labour imitators has to go.

    Vote UKIP – Conservatives in exile.

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    ToonBob... says:

    I am shocked and stunned that few people like these lying barstewards.

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    Labourunionsbbc we are one says:

    What’s the ratings amoungst moose lams of their leaders?

    I’ll bet all this negativity towards ours will lead to a low turn out at the polls and open the door even wider to theirs.

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    Gerry Mandering says:

    Typical bloody Labour. Perhaps we should lobby to get that legislation rescinded.

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    misterned says:

    That is because all three party leaders, and most of their front benches, are puppets of the EU puppet-masters. When the EU has one agenda which must be implemented, and all three main parliamentary parties are dedicated to implementing that agenda, and are legally obligated to implement that agenda and have no intention whatsoever to challenge that agenda…. then people should not be too surprised that all three main parliamentary parties are implementing exactly the same policies.

    We will not get any change from that agenda until we elect a party into power who is dedicated to changing course from that agenda and who is willing to take the necessary action to make that happen.

    The only way to get a government that is in touch with the British people and one which is even capable of listening and responding to the needs of the British people is to get the hell out of the EU!

    The only national party who is in a position to start to do that is UKIP. ALL the other main parliamentary parties have made it very clear that they are dedicated to staying in the EU and having a minor tantrum every now and again, but ultimately capitulating to the diktats of the unelected Commission.

    How can our Government (of any party) be in touch with the British people when they are dedicated to solely serving the needs of the EU Commission and European Council?

    The only choice at the next election is vote for the EU dictatorship or vote for UKIP!

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    Anonymous says:

    I don’t know whether you will let this one through Guido, but I have to say I loathe,abhor,despise and hate every single one of those greedy, egotistical lying bastards. Never before have I felt so strongly. The only people they benefit are themselves. I don’t have the time now to write in full why I loathe them so much, there are now so many,many reasons. This country has never ever been so badly served by its rich,powerful, political, elite clique as now from all parties!

    They are aided and abetted by their friends in the media, particularly the BBC. And to think millions of people died in wars to produce scum and vermin like this. Won’t be long and I’m gonna fuck off elsewhere and take my money with me, this country will never ever recover.

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    Gawd Help Us says:

    They probably don’t give a toss, it’s all a career path to the EU where the real riches are to be found.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Although it is irritating that they think they should get us to pay for tuning their stereos professionally (gits), I’m more annoyed that they never tell the truth. Now I know thats obvious but I mean even when backed into a corner and obviously wrong, they have to “tow the line” (I prefer the incorrect metaphor there, I imagine a trawler in heavy seas struggling to keep it going). Or constantly have to bullshit us into thinking that a ridiculous proposal was a great idea really, when its just a game that everyone plays in spite of it being a stupid game.

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    Anonymous says:

    Cammers has the steepest decline of the lot, then Cleggy not quite as steep ( really can’t sink much lower), the suprise is the least decline, Teddy Boy, must be down to core support

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    M says:

    sounds like the relationship between a child abuser & it victims !

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    Sir Aston Martin says:

    Stone me! You don’t mean to say your boredom threshold is so high that you can tolerate an evening at your local Conservative Association?

  29. 29
    Sir Aston Martin says:

    He’s so fat he hasn’t seen it himself since 1987.

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    Sniper says:

    I rate him as an oily piece of shit. As leader of the Scottish Dependence Party his parcel o’ rogues would hand Scotland to Brussels – some “independence”.

  31. 31
    Pawn Sandwich says:

    Tony Blair has still not received his ‘reward’ for halving Maggies £4bn annual rebate.

  32. 32
    Disgruntled Sheffielder says:

    Do shut up about bloody UKIP Self-serving Farago & Co are as bad as any of the others

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    misterned says:

    They do support gay marriage. They hope that every marriage will be gay and happy and joyful.

    As it stands, homosexuals can get married if they want to. Many homosexuals are already married. There is nothing to stop a homosexual man marrying a woman, or homosexual woman marrying a man.

    They rightly do not support the un-necessary reclassification of marriage to allow people to get married to someone of the same gender as themselves.

  34. 34
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Its ok if you mix speed and LSD.

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    Labourunionsbbc we are one says:

    I don’t know waht ‘bbc’ you watch but it ain’t the same as the one I see, because that bbc, aka B-bbc, is certainly not aiding and abetting the Tories, far from it, they have not stopped putting them down for years and running the ‘CLASS’ meme for the disfunctional labour/union party as a smear and a blind, and thats not just news and current afairs programs but almost the entire output accross all media.

  36. 36
    Conservative says:

    Messenger boys for Brussels, all three of them.

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    Ex Conservative Voter says:

    I disagree slightly with your statement, “They are nothing more than EU rubber-stampers.”

    They’re nothing more than corrupt, lying, thieving EU rubber-stampers.

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    Anonymous says:

    Yes there seems to be a bit of a mini rush of various politicos of all shades wanting to be mayors, police commisars etc., etc. I wonder if the pay will be higher in these “jobs” plus of course expenses and allowances, I bet it will ending up costing more than the present system

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    sockpuppet #4 says:


  40. 40
    Prince Rupert says:

    To be popular, they must tax less, tell the EU to piss off on occaisions, start a small winnable war, and win; and reduce the price of petrol, fags and booze. Oh, I forgot, bring back hanging – even make them public and make a fortune selling tickets for some “reality” violence, and remove PC nonsense, such as destroying the life of a drunk undergraduate becuase he used the N word, or forcing people to approve of grown men sodomising each other. Is there such a party, are any of these policies not mainstream. Legalise brothels, ban trade unions and sign an agreement with the Argies that they can have the Falkland’s oil in exchange for very cheap wine and beef for the next 99 years. Sound ok to some of you?

  41. 41
    Ludvig says:

    I didn’t much care
    For Tony Blair
    And Gordon Brown
    Just gets me down.

    Marshmallow Nick
    Still makes me sick
    And Rumpy’s Dave
    Keeps me a slave.

    Nigel talks tough
    But it’s all bluff
    He’ll ditch his roots
    And fill his boots.

    No single scrote
    Has earned my vote,
    I might desist
    And just get p*****.

  42. 42
    Labourunionsbbc we are one says:

    Lets see an approval rating for our real leaders in that expensive cancer accross the channel.

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    Ah! Monika says:

    Why wouldn’t Guido let that through. He would agree with your every word.

  44. 44

    It is because much fewer MPs approach the rôle as a calling and many more approach it as a job.

    I had a spat with someone on here yesterday who called themself illogical. Well he had chosen a good moniker.

    My point was in answer to Sir William Waad’s of who should you trust most out of two untrustworthy alternatives.

    I said the one who needs the money least. That way there is a half chance he won’t rook you as he doesn’t need to – not infallible, I agree.

    The majority of Labour MPs come from what they regard as a disadvantaged background (they should visit Africa and find out the true meaning of that term.) So they cannot wait to put things right in their terms.

    Unfortunately, too many Tories see it as a gravy train. What experience do they have of making money? A few have but an increasing number don’t. NB PM.

    As for the Liberals, my grandfather died in the early part of last century. So did they.

  45. 45
    Anonymous says:

    The Coalition will be remembered as more pro-European than Tony Blair’s government, a Liberal Democrat Cabinet minister has declared.


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    Ah! Monika says:


  47. 47
    Disgruntled Sheffielder says:

    Usual bollocks from the UKIP faction

  48. 48
    Lickity-Split says:

    I think you mean sex, not gender

  49. 49
    Anonymous says:

    OK you vote UKIP if you want to that’s your choice, but the sight of Nigel Farage grinning like Gordoom from a poster turns me off, but OK as protest vote

  50. 50
    Canary Wharf Rat says:

    No wonder. What tangable effect do they really have on our lives except to impose ever increasing burdens on everyone but themselves and of course the banking establishment that they are in cahoots with.

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    Well it's a thought says:

    No difference between UKIP and any of the turds they all go rummaging around the bins to try and pick up a better piece of rubbish than the other turds, all they end up with is the ones from the flat earth society the one who want us to live in caves.

  52. 52
    Ex Conservative Voter says:

    I think he’s now so rich he doesn’t need the bother with the ‘petty’ salaries and pensions that Brussels has to offer.

  53. 53
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    none of them NEED the money.

    I can imagine a backbench MP who is quite happy to get far more than a headteacher who doesnt really WANT more money.
    I can also imagine a politician who is a millionaire and are still unhappy because they WANT more money.

  54. 54

    Japan’s politicians and central bankers have spent 23 years slavishly paying interest on debt they can never pay back instead of taking a brave decision to default when they should have.

    The same politically suicidal decision faces our leaders, but rather than face a large amount of pain now, like Argentina and Iceland (who are recovering nicely), we will be subjected to decades of decline and debt penury because no one had the balls.

    We dislike politicians more now than ever because they treat, us the electorate with contempt for thinking we are not clever enough to handle the truth.

    We are living the truth of an economy going to hell because politicians, central bankers and regulators made very bad choices for their own vanity and “legacy” and continue to lie to us.




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    I am at last nudging towards your view misterned. The monitoring of emails and the confiscation of bank balances not worked for over 15 years is not what a ‘right wing’ party should be about.

    The problem is, so many of the UKIP candidates are frankly rather odd.

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    Ex-Tory says:

    Its a great opportunity for a new populist party, with a charismatic leader. With a few £m from backers they would be a serious challenge in 2015 if they positioned themselves as a no-nonsense centre-right Party and excluded PPE toffs from their ranks. I wonder how they would be treated by Guido? I suspect he actually likes the status-quo of the present political elite and would do his upmost to undermine any such new party.

  57. 57
    cowards says:

    and when there is a seismic shift, will the likes of Redwood, Cash and Carswell jump on the bandwagon….

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    Anonymous says:

    You have to ask the question what real life work experience any of these had. All three of them were born with a silver soon in their mouth and doesn’t have to worry about how they will feed their family tomorrow.

    In the three the once closet to public is Ed as he is not as rich as the other two. Cameron is worth over £30 million, how does anyone expect him to understand cost of living. He spent over £65,000 decorating No. 10 kitchen, there are a lot of people living in houses that are under £65,000. Most people hasn’t even got £1,000 to spear.

  59. 59
    Sniper says:

    The majority of Labour MPs come from what they regard as a disadvantaged background

    Yeah, by rights they should have been on the union payroll since birth. It’s all the fault of those Tory Bastards.

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    misterned says:

    That was a very half heated attempt at defending the current corrupt and failing status quo. Try again.

  61. 61
    Anonymous says:

    “The Guidoised perception of politics is mainstream, anti-politics is winning…”

    Glad you’re pleased at what’s going to be done to you and your liblabcon chums after regime change.

  62. 62
    Northern Ireland Assembly Members says:

    We’re getting a £5000 pay rise

  63. 63
    Pawn Sandwich says:

    Maybe his reward was ‘we will look the other way’ in respect of UN resolutions and the lack thereof.

  64. 64
    M Class says:

    Political class ignoring the concerns of the public to maintain a corrupt and sick Country. Motivated by occupying 10 Downing st and the trappings of power rather delivering results that improve quality of life in the UK.

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    Lyrics to sum up today's politicians says:

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    Well it's a thought says:

    A Liebour MP coming from a disadvantaged background mr cat, I think you have found a place where the word diversity should be used, politicians telling us how disadvantaged they are, when they come from the same schools/universities and the same close families and have the same amount of millions in the bank.

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    Ah! Monika says:

    Guido doesn’t ” treat ” anyone, he merely holds up a mirror.

  68. 68
    Raving Loon says:

    Can’t stand Clegg, Cameron or Milliband, but I think Hannan and Farage are alright. It’s mainstream centrist politicians which are a waste of space.

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    Ah! Monika says:

    Or cross-hairs.

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    misterned says:

    The real problem is, the other main parliamentary party candidates are guaranteed to continue the status quo regardless of which one of them wins. There will be no change from the direction in which the EU is directing us under conservative, labour or liberal democrat coalition.

    The only chance of a change is getting a party in power who will give us the power to elect people who have the power to govern, rather than rubber-stamp EU diktats.

    I honestly do not care if UKIP were only a one term party IF they get us out of the EU and give Parliament the power to create law to benefit the people of Britain.

    After that we can all go back to our left-vs-right, us vs them old party squabbles. They would have meaning again.

    At the moment, it is all pointless and fake. Labour vs Tory? what is the point when they are both obligated to implement an EU agenda anyway?

    Let’s get control of the power to make our own laws again and then worry about who’s candidates are weird.

  71. 71
    DelBoy says:

    And how does this differ from other MP’s?

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    Koba says:

    “Maxing Out” no I don’t think so. I could still hate them some more.
    The tories, like labour and the EU republic would have us for slaves. I thought King John gave us our liberties forever and that is why the English are free and why the europeans are not. I don’t remember becoming a slave neither do I remember becoming responsible for other men’s children.
    This government came to office to cut the deficit. Hardly any over-spending has been cut, and yet we still have not recievd any more services than we were getting back in 1997.

  73. 73

    A semantic argument about the meaning of the word need (quite widely defined if you check a good dictionary) does not alter the main thrust of the original statement IMO.

    Let me put it at its basest. A moron like Devine could never see that he was cheating anyone. For him, it was Buggin’s turn. Dave should know better even though he has never had a real job. He ignores it for expediency. Boris exemplifies my point. Does not need the money. Does not run up huge personal expenses. Gets on his bike (either way).

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    misterned says:

    but accurate.

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    lolathebeautiful says:

    Contrary to what these shits think, the market is right and the politcians (and their entitlement seeking fellow travller bureaucrats) are wrong.

    We all know that the EU is a corrupt busted flush and we need to eb out.

    We all know that New Labour has bust the UK economy and we know how it needs to be fixed – massive spending cuts and massive tax cuts.

    But none of them, not one of the boiling lot of them will do it. Instead we are ending up with our freedom being usurped by a load of bureaucrats and quagoistas.

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    Crouching Lettuce, Hidden Quisling says:

    I understand that many people have strong reservations about the new surveilling powers now being put forward. People are wondering why a conservative government is trying to adopt measures which hammer yet another nail into our shared heritage of common law. People are confused, worried, fearful about the future.

    I get that.

    But what I really want to do is to draw your attention to the positive aspects of this proposed legislation. For far too long now, people have complained about how out of touch government is, how we are not listening or caring about the things that matter to them. That needs to change. And that is why, we need, joined up communications between you, the people out there, and our agencies of policy development, here in government. It’s about using Scotland Yard and GCHQ as a real interface between us and your priorities. And it’s about putting you, the people living in this great country, into a position where you can really start to influence what goes on here in Westminster. And of course, it comes with my guarantee that these powers will be used responsibly.

    We’ve come a long way since that historic coalition victory two years ago, haven’t we?

    Together, with you, I want to keep on building on our success. So let the confidence in our shared future ring out from this blog. Together, we can do it!

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    Spartacus says:

    so you prefer the grinning of rumpy pumpy in his cheap suit?

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    bamftiger says:

    Any danger at all of an EU referendum? Or has the mask slipped off and it’s now public that all political class members are tools of the EUSSR and its aim of creating a new “Ancient Egyptian” Europo-Negroid race?

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    Anonymous says:

    What fun you tories have.

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    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    Great news. I’ve often despaired of my fellow citizens and their apparent belief that some politician or other is worthy of anything other than out deepest contempt. Things are looking up.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    you are pretending you don’t understand common everyday terms.

    If you are claiming such bollocks is “accurate”, and are prepared to distort and jump through stupid hoops just to make a crap point, you should join one of the big political parties.

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    The General Public says:

    bbc is certainly not aiding and abetting the Tories

    Have a look at the comments on a left-wing blog one day. Once you’ve stopped laughing at all the Dave Spart-type guff being spouted, you’ll see that many Labour supporters are convinced that the BBC and the print media is largely biased against them.

    So which is it?

  83. 83
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    +1. ‘A politician is an arse upon which everyone has sat except a man.’

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    Spartacus says:

    Sheffielder makes a ‘cutting remark’ – but stupid

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    You are a great polemicist, Ned. Always thought that.

    There is a problem about the “one term party” idea that tends to get corrupted, as you will well know.

    Even the magnificent Boris (and I hope he gets it) has decided to go for another term. To be honest, I do not think that you or I would do any better. Power does corrupt. Period.

    I would like to see the threat of withdrawal from international agreements as a first step. Clearly, one should never/i> issue a threat without being prepared to carry it out.

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    And the same corruption of our fine, beloved English language.

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    misterned says:

    How difficult is it to understand, “FUCK OFF!”? You do not need GCHQ snooping on all our communications to understand that do you?

    Even IF all this snooping resulted in the government being in touch and understanding (in English and Legalese) what the public want, they will still not be able to do anything about it, because the EU (who is forcing us to implement the snooping legislation) will not allow our government to represent our wishes, if they are in conflict with the EU’s own agenda.

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    Cressida's Dick says:

    So you’re happy to continue with the clusterfuck we have now? That would be strange. All of them need a rocket up the arse and at the moment UKIP is the only viable party who could do it for better or worse.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    The semantics make a big difference.

    NEED suggests that people who already have lots of money are more trustworthy. Indeed, you seem to be saying that with Boris (who probably isnt really a good example of anything).

    If anything greedy millionaires are worse than greedy non-millionaires because the latter would be cheaper.

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    Anonymous says:

    aka The Gideon.

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    Nelson den Haag says:

    I see no war criminals

  92. 92
    Nelson den Haag says:

    Vince says it was all laid out 150 odd years ago:

    1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
    2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
    3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
    4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
    5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
    6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
    7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
    8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
    9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
    10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production,

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    Pawn Sandwich says:

    The BBC needs to be shut down. No need for a state broadcaster in this day and age.

    The BBC is a relic of the past.

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    Sniper says:

    Yes minister.

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    twat watch says:

    “Guidoised” ? ffs, you big girls blouse.

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    Sophie says:

    Sir Aston,

    I used to go to gloat & goad them into admitting that the party had been date raped by Cameron & his Heathite stooges – now I just go along to watch the rapid transition from blind loyalty to blind rage at the party elite.

    To see the club cheering Farage is amazing – a remarkable transition.

    Cameron is finished.

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    Anonymous says:

    No, it was for thick-as-pigshit tory bankers

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    misterned says:

    Sockpuppet, I do comprehend everyday terms and their slang equivalents. I prefer gay to have it’s real and original meaning of happy, jolly, frivolous and joyful, than its slang use of an abnormality of gender attraction.

    To be clear, I use the term “abnormality” in its mathematical sense. when only 1.5% of the public are homosexual, ( http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/sep/23/gay-britain-ons#data ), then that is a mathematically abnormal number of people engaged in homosexual activity.

    I entirely accept that homosexuality is natural as it occurs naturally in nature in hundreds of species and that it feels ‘normal’ to those who are homosexual. I am not opposed to homosexuality.

    However, some facts are not particularly politically correct, but are, none-the-less still facts.

    Gay means happy.

    Homosexuality is abnormal.

    There is nothing wrong with homosexuality.

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    albacore says:

    Ho hum. You’re either in front of Guido or etc.
    I could have sworn I posted this two days ago:
    Tsk! Tsk! Don’t you know that Dave is a hero
    For, although his rating may be sub-zero
    Still it’s higher than Miliband’s and Clegg’s
    And he tops the trio of rotten eggs


  100. 100
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    Yes, but that’s only because he’s PM and a few of the Great Unwashed have actually heard of him.

  101. 101

    We shall have to disagree on this one but would like to have taken it further. (I have got to go out and have made myself late already – getting the frosty look…)

  102. 102
    SpAd says:

    Priceless – poor old “man of the people” Miliband, struggling to raise his young family with only a six-figure salary, huge inheritance fund held offshore and a £2.5m mansion.

  103. 103
    W.W. says:

    The way things are going we will be jeous of people who live in caves.

    Ask the roundabout people of Northampton, they would chop your right arm off for a cave.

    Actually they would chop your right arm off for your mobile phone and iPod, thats why they are living there.

    But it is (and will become more so) prevelent.

    I gave Dave and his crew a chance at the last election, despite my grave reservations, but for me it is now UKIP, let someone else have a turn destoying our country.

    A change is as good as a rest.

    I would vote for a coalition od Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi over our present bunch of utter morons.

    God help us all, we are all screwed no matter what happens.


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    Rage Against the Political Elite. says:

    Looks like the PUNCH AND JUDY show is coming to an end. No wonder the State is now implementing a number of controlling systems into our lives so they can take control of the Total mess they have created

  105. 105
    Anonymous says:

    Alex Salmond still has a very high approval rating, so up here, its not that we hate politicians, we just despise right wing millionaires lining their own pockets at our expense.

    I pity you folks down south who actually have no alternative but to pick the least loathesome party and vote for them with gritted teeth.

  106. 106
    Will N. Dowd says:

    Ed Miliband offends me. Terrible man.

  107. 107
    SpAd says:

    Great insight.

    Now please tell us about…oh, let’s see now…”the decimation of the UK’s manufacturing heartlands by Thatcher”.

    I don’t doubt you have something already prepared on the subject.

  108. 108
    misterned says:

    Thank you sockpuppet for that polemicist comment. I shall take that as a compliment, although it could be taken otherwise. It could mean you are good at spouting partisan bullshit and I suppose that I am, but thank you anyway :)

    By one term, I do not mean to imply that UKIP would only seek one term, as I am sure that they would want to stay in power. I mean that it would be up to the British people to decide between each of the newly liberated mainstream parties and UKIP.

    Once freed from the EU, each party would have the power to actually and meaningfully put their own real policy wishes before the electorate. Then I would reconsider which party then offers me the policies closest to those I am willing to vote for, as they would have the freedom to implement them.

    Now they can only put their spin on an EU dictated agenda which is not what I am willing to vote for at all.

  109. 109
    A pragmatist says:

    Politicians are part of the public sector so what else can be expected?

  110. 110
    DelBoy says:

    It may be an age thing in my case but things is definitely getter worse.

  111. 111
    misterned says:

    I stand corrected sir, you are entirely correct.

  112. 112
    albacore says:

    Were it anyone but Our Beloved Leader, I would have assumed sympathy for the afflicted to be more apposite.

  113. 113
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    “Gay” has a certain meaning 95% of the time.
    “Gay Marriage” has a certain meaning 100% of the time.
    So going for the 5% meaning and 0% meaning is pissing about.

    As for wanting it to mean “jolly” How bloody old are you? 102?

  114. 114
    DelBoy says:

    If you are PM or Home Secretary, simply invoke the fighting terrorism clause, and all will be OK.

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    Pawn Sandwich says:

    Scotland produces many fine politicians. They also produce whisky, butter scots, farmed salmond and english oil.

    Thank you Scotland, we like your produce but your politicians stink (with the exception of Alex Salmond, who I think is a straight kind of guy).

  116. 116

    Come now, not all politicians are hated.

    Why, I’m very well respected in the constituency, I’m sure.

    I suppose i ought to go there one day, just to check.

  117. 117
    A pragmatist says:

    John Prescott and Neil Kinnock were not born with a silver spoon in their mouths but they are the biggest troughers around. Its not where you come from that counts but the greed you have on your journey.

  118. 118
    Not Surprised says:

    Never trust anyone who uses the phrase “What I would say….” or uses the word “clearly” which in Politician speak means the exact opposite!

  119. 119
    Ex Conservative Voter says:

    Well, I saw the the funny side of Mr Quisling’s tongue-in-cheek email.

    I doubt it’s an EU diktat, I think it’s just Dave being a complete cock, again. He should concentrate on making sure he can imprison and/or deport terrorists. But that’s too tricky, so, keen be seen to be doing something he’s decided spy on everyone.

    We can also be pretty sure that despite his assurances to the contrary, the people who will be looking through our phone/email/Internet records won’t be GCHQ, it’ll be (a) hackers and (b) your local council trying to get more dosh out of you for “mis-use of a wheelie bin”. Because they’ve got nothing better to do.

  120. 120
    Handycock No1 Trougher in Parliament says:

    I intend to be a Mayor, Police Commissioner, MP, Councillor holding portfolio and anything else that I can stick my snout into. Boaz.

  121. 121
    Unaligned voter says:

    Sadly it’s common to all political classes. Wake up.

  122. 122
    Handycock No1 Trougher in Parliament says:

    How dare you say that John and Neil are the ‘biggest Troughers around.’ That distinction and title is clearly mine. Boaz.


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    Business Cat (Specializing in yarns, Cdn owned & op) says:

    You’ve got competition for that No 1 spot!

  124. 124
    misterned says:

    The BBC is the ‘public conditioning’ arm, (propaganda) of the establishment and strictly follows the international elite’s agenda. That agenda supports the EU, promoting the catastrophic man-made climate change con and divide and rule through promotion of politically correct divisions based on class, race, sexuality, religion etc.

    Whenever any of the main parties deviates from that path, the BBC attacks them.

    The conservatives traditionally are furthest from that agenda, and so the BBC attacks them the most, but the BBC has attacked labour in the past too. Sometimes just so that they can claim “balance”.

  125. 125

    It is pricks like Ed Davey that are the problem, not the answer!

    Europe is even more bust than we are and Ed Davey wants the UK enslaved by a German controlled ECB. see http://www.zerohedge.com/news/meet-uber-kommissar-germany-expands-european-domination-plan-will-enact-european-budget-supervi

    The UK is borrowing £450 million a day, not even to stand still, but go backwards.

    The UK has total debts and liabilities over £4 trillion (debt, bank bailout, PFI, unfunded state and public servant pensions), which is £148,000 for every working person in the country.


    The choice is take real pain now and live to fight another die, or suffer a long ignominious slide into obscurity while continuing to pay interest to the avaricious vampire squids that got us into this mess in the first place.

    We need first mover advantage; we cannot wait for everyone else to go bust first (which they will) and then receive better terms.

    This is a competitive round of devaluation between the US, UK, Eurozone and Japan to deflate overburdening debt (that can never be paid back) into oblivion, but all four cannot do it at the same time. The first one to blink will be the best off.

    Unless of course like Ed Davey you want a centrist global government telling everyone what to do, because centrally controlled governments have generated growth and prosperity for all their people (not just the cadres) every time it has been tried in the past.

  126. 126
    Sir Aston Martin says:


    You’re a better man than I am, Gunga Din!

  127. 127
    Rage Against the Political Elite. says:

    When are these WEAK Political Class going to hold the STATE too account, or have they forgot why they are there.

    Quasi Democracy on the ropes, State apparatus out of control. Where are all the GOOD MEN

  128. 128
    old git says:

    The times they are a changing

    Come all the electorate throughout the UK
    It’s time to ignore what the LIBLABCON say
    Lets face it these parties have all had their day
    Our politics need rearranging
    So go out and vote UKIP lets sweep them away
    For the times they are a changing

    Not one of them listens to our point of view
    They’d sooner give our cash to the EU
    So lets kick them out and try something new
    We can’t afford this lot remaining
    Political rethink is long overdue
    For the times they are a changing

    They lied about Lisbon and promised a vote
    There all Europhiles and in the same boat
    Their treachery just bring a lump to my throat
    As each other they just keep blaming
    So send them a message and let them take note
    That the times they are a changing

    We will no longer tolerate lies being told
    Tax breaks for the rich but more tax for the old
    Ruled from the EU and our birthrights sold
    They ignore us when we are complaining
    If we all vote UKIP there out in the cold
    For the times they all need changing

  129. 129
    Ex Conservative Voter says:

    “Gay” marriage can only possibly mean “homosexual” marriage.

    If you use “gay” to mean “happy” or “jolly”, then you can’t use it to describe a marriage because “happy marriage” is a contradiction of terms.

    (the exception to the rule being Gordon and Sarah Brown, who are happily married, but only because they live hundreds of miles apart and – through choice – never see each other.)

  130. 130
    Fish says:

    Statist Politicians?

    I think that the truth is that politician’s don’t run governements – it is the establishment; the judiciary, the police, the BBC, the Civil Service et al,

    The statist estblishement is the real issue. Things won’t change until they are.

  131. 131
    Business Cat (Specializing in yarns, Cdn owned & op) says:

    Cripes. What a scumbag!

  132. 132
    Unaligned voter says:

    The Newsnight talk was very entertaining last night. Paxo being very rude indeed to Galloway – Galloway responding in like terms – Will Self talking shit as usual and Abbott talking over everyone and making no sense at all – and some tory no body saying nowt.

  133. 133
    A pragmatist says:

    I agree. If people stopped behaving like blind sheep and started thinking then UKIP would stand a great chance of winning the next election. The majority of their policies have widespread support throughout the country. Their only problem is that there are too many blind sheep.

  134. 134
    rick says:

    We have the politicians we deserve.

  135. 135
    Unaligned voter says:

    Is Pawn Sandwich’s real name Murdoch?

  136. 136
    flavour of the month says:

    but you all know, in your heart of hearts, that Salmond is an arsehole too.

  137. 137
    Anonymous says:

    And what about the distress Livingslime caused to those affected by his tenure in charge?

  138. 138
    Anonymous says:

    They got the silver spoon when they become an MP. Prescott would have been able to buy whole street in Hull on his MP salary. This is why MPs should not be paid more than average salary, it is like performance related pay.

  139. 139
    Spook says:

    GCHQ has been snooping on all our emails and telephone calls for years. The building in Cheltenham covers the whole of Western Europe and Russia and the one in Cyprus covers the whole of the middle east and north Africa. This information is passed to the US who have recently opened their own telecommunications monitoring centre, which when it becomes fully operational, will have a global reach. So I am afraid this ‘snooping law’ will only add our internet use to what Governments already know!

  140. 140
    Tim W. says:

    In the case of Cameron and Osborne, it isn’t the general public they need to worry about. It’s the increasingly detached and disillusionment members of their own party. They no longer feel it represents them or shares their instincts. In short, neither of them — whatever their background may suggest — is a Tory in the old sense, one that has resonance at the grassroots. Ironically, the man from the working-class, David Davies, has far more.

  141. 141
    Pawn Sandwich says:

    No. I do not have a television in my house. Try it sometime, after a couple of weeks you will find that you start to think for yourself and are not another drone of either the state or big business.

  142. 142
    A Must See History Video! says:

  143. 143
    Unaligned voter says:


  144. 144
    Ex Conservative Voter says:

    Tory bankers such as Sir Fred Goodwin? You remember him? He was knighted by Labour shortly before he went on to take the UK banking industry to the edge of collapse.

    That Tory banker? The one that Labour lusted over and knighted? The one who got a big fat pension from Labour as a reward for his epic failure?

    The one the Tories stripped of his knighthood? Yes?

  145. 145
    Maximus says:

    What a bummer for you then that Murdoch is about to set up operations in Scotchland as Alex the Salmon’s mouthpiece. Any guesses what happens next?

  146. 146
    Synic says:

    Vote for Gay Marriage. Vote more Government snooping. Vote Dave the devious lying PC Prat.

  147. 147
    Anonymous says:

    What about UKIP and expense?

  148. 148
    flavour of the month says:

    I’d prefer a referendum. Perhaps he’ll offer us one.

  149. 149
    misterned says:

    “with the exception of Alex Salmond, who I think is a straight kind of guy”

    WHAT? surely you jest?

    Google Holly Greig. Salmond has been central in helping to cover up child abuse, cover up murder of a witness and the imprisonment of the man who is trying to bring Justice to Holly.

    Scottish politics is equally as corrupt as the current English politics. And he is equally as complicit in lying to the people about the extent of EU dictation in our laws.

    Scotland might as well be independent from the UK, IF they are allowed to stay in the EU, instead of apply to join as a new independent nation, then Brussels will be running Scotland and Alex will be on that very very lucrative gravy train. He is lying to the Scottish people about there even being a concept of independence within the EU, but the Scottish people appear to be so relieved that they could be rid of rule from London, that they wilfully blind themselves to that fact.

  150. 150
    A pragmatist says:

    It doesn’t matter either way. You may as well argue that blondes are greedier than brunettes. Its just bullshit and class warfare.

    Could anyone be more greedier than Neil Kinnock, a coalminers son?

  151. 151
    Reds under the Bed says:

    Communism eh?

  152. 152
    Anonymous says:

    The new leader of the UK Independence Party, Lord Pearson, claimed more than £100,000 in publicly-funded expenses on the basis that his £3.7 million house in London was his second home while also owning in a 12,000-acre estate with servants in Scotland.


  153. 153
    Gordon F Brown says:

    Such a thing never happened when I ruled the world…

  154. 154
    Gromit says:

    He offends me too

  155. 155
    Red Ed's non-predator union bosses says:


  156. 156
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Wow. Someone being Naive on this forum. its a first.

  157. 157
    Ha! says:

  158. 158
    A pragmatist says:

    And soon we shall all be having our emails and messages trawled by the state to watch out for any hint of anti-muslim, racist or homophobic remarks.

  159. 159
    Canary Wharf Rat says:

    Once upon a time Labour represented The poor & the working class and the Conservatives represented the middle and upper classes. The Liberals represented anyone else who happened to wear sandals and socks at the same time. Today New Liars represent the benefit class, all public sector workers and themselves, The Cons represent the rich, the banksters and themselves and The Liabs haing made a push for power are back representing anyone else that wears socks with sandals. That leaves a huge percentage of the electorate(non sandal wearing private sector) unrepresented.

  160. 160
    50 Calibre says:

    Come the ‘English Spring’…

  161. 161
    A pragmatist says:

    Big girl guide.

  162. 162
    Cameron, you are a fake says:

    Cameron’s just started squinting at and reading from latest prepared script. This time he’s excited about ‘the Big Society bank’.
    He’s down to 10 seconds now before I tell him to fuck off.

  163. 163
    Rage Against the Political Elite. says:

    It is really really Bad, I am even feeling sorry for the useless Political class as they are the ones on the front line of swinging from the lamp posts.

    The Political Elite have broken Capitalism and give it the greatest Kicking of all time. Look at the DEBT the USA have amassed to run the largest PONZI scheme of all time. Its would be scary in a hollywood film but this is real. The USA has a Debt Deluge and fiscal gap of $211 trillion “Bloomburg Business week. Aug 7 2011.

    Its not a joke and our lot want to copy the Security Non commercial return systems here. What happened to Cameroons bonfire on Quango’s.

  164. 164
    A pragmatist says:

    Alex Salmond worked at the Royal Bank of Scotland for seven years. I bet he doesn’t advertise that very much.

  165. 165
    A pragmatist says:

    Ride a cock horse.

  166. 166
    Ex Conservative Voter says:

    He has “dodgy used-car dealer” written all over him, doesn’t he?

    He made a demand a while back, that on gaining independence Scotland should have “its share” of the UK National Insurance contributions that everyone’s been paying. He actually thinks it’s all been piled up in a bank account somewhere.

    And this guy is in charge of a country, FFS.

  167. 167
    Police state says:

    Is it any wonder when ALL THREE OF THEM want to spy on ALL citizens?

  168. 168
    Tim W. says:

    Maybe all the appropriately disaffected party members vaguely on the centre-right should desert and join UKIP? They would end up the majority membership and be able to shape policy accordingly. Good grief, you might even get a party that reflected the will of its membership!! Oh well, I can but dream.

  169. 169
    Ex Conservative Voter says:

    Every time he mentions “Big Society”, he should be taken outside and kicked in the nuts. And not just a little girly kick, it should be a full-strength kick, the type that would separate a man’s head from his shoulders.

  170. 170
    Cynical-old-bag says:

    I agree with you.

    The days of “Right Honourable Gentlemen” are long gone. They need to work more on their morals.

  171. 171
    Cynical-old-bag says:

    I’ll bet that’ll make you much more popular with your electorate….!

  172. 172
    Gonk says:

    I couldn’t stand the concept of a leader or even leadership itself. It seemed to me that Politicians should take political soundings and base
    policies on what the people wanted. The last 30 years reveals politicians studiously avoiding what the people want and an elite almost hijacking
    democracy for their ends. Your line, “Where are all the good men” is a resonant point and it may be time to re-think about “leadership” and how to get out of this mess.

  173. 173
    The Doddering Old Fart says:

    Did anybody win the Friday Caption Contest (Bus to Nowhere Edition)?

  174. 174
    Sungei Patani says:

    Would you like to see your pension fund, you have manfully saved for during your working life, evaporate and leave you with nothing but the state pension?

    That would be the result if GB defaulted on its debts.

    Debt default penalises responsible and thrifty citizens and rewards the feckless.

  175. 175
    Hannibal from Carthage says:

    Enter stage right……………. Milliband…D!

    I bet he is loving this.

    Just keeping his nose clean until 2013.

    All three existing Leaders are spent. Fox Maude May Johnson and Huhne all wounded. Osborne is still standing but there is ‘something of the night ‘ about him.

    He is playing a blinder what with teaching in schools and spending his time in South Shields and watching the footie.

    If Big Ears gets reelected Milliband has got it made.

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    misterned says:

    “I doubt it’s an EU diktat,”

    Directive 2006/24/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 15 March 2006

    This is the cause of the proposed snooping laws. Labour would have already introduced this snooping law if the Liberals and Conservatives had not strongly opposed it when they were in opposition. Now that they are in coalition government together, they realise that it is an EU directive and so they are obligated by EU and UK law to implement it. The rest of the EU is doing the same. However I read somewhere that Sweden is refusing and will pay a big fine instead.

  177. 177
    Cynical-old-bag says:

    Our pension miraculously disappeared under Gordon Brown’s leadership. Nothing was done about it then, and I suspect that if it happens again, all those people will be left hanging out to dry. They don’t give a sh*t about the likes of the ordinary working people, they just want to get their names into the history books and a bloody painting hanging on the wall of No.10.

    Same old, same old.

  178. 178
    misterned says:

    I am sorry you feel that way. My marriage of 22 years has been very happy and gay and jolly.

    I am 42 and enjoy the variety and flexibility of the English language and refuse to allow the dumbing down of language weaken my ability to make accurate arguments.

    I admit to being pedantic and literal, but that is a necessity of my career of being an engineer.

    … and do not even get me started on the literal definition of homophobic!

  179. 179
    Cynical-old-bag says:

    Ed Miliband is very rich.

    Have a look at his family on Wiki.

  180. 180
    The Doddering Old Fart says:

    What happened to the doctor that kicked that twat CamerHunt out of his ward?

  181. 181
    Party Political Broadcas says:

    How about not letting them in the country in the first place?

    Would probably save a huge amount of money to no ?

  182. 182
    Anonymous says:

    Er… this is news?

  183. 183
    Cynical-old-bag says:

    It’s the word “Look”, which seems to pop up at the beginning of every answer these shysters give.

    I really hate that.

  184. 184
    Cynical-old-bag says:

    Evidence, please.

  185. 185
    Anonymous says:

    He is very poor compared to Cameron or Clegg. I said he is closet to public because he is not as rich as Cameron or Clegg.

    It like one too poor to own a car saying he is closer to someone with £8,000 Ford Focus (Ed) rather than one with £200,000 Jag (Cameron) with a driver.

  186. 186
    Cynical-old-bag says:

    I wonder if you will still be saying that when you lot have to stand on your own two feet without all the handouts from us.

    We’ll see.

  187. 187
    Rage Against the Political Elite. says:

    Looks like SOMALI is going to be the NEXT failed State for the production of Drugs and washing of the worlds SPARE un Taxed Cash Cow for the STATE apparatus.

    Obviously the running of this business in Afghanistan is not going to work any more.

  188. 188
    Dave is a wanker says:

    But why is Dave trying to catch terrorists? It costs a fortune to find them and a king’s ransom to pay their legal fees, safe houses, personal protection and maintenance.

  189. 189
    misterned says:

    Correct Mr/Mrs/Miss Pragmatist.

    Too many people still think that we MUST vote for party X to stop evil party Y, when it is now clear that both party X and party Y are implementing the same EU dictated agenda.

    It’s like saying we must vote for the Pro EU party to stop the Pro EU party from getting in. It makes no sense.

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    Practicality says:

    True. It is much cheaper and much more effective to let them blow themselves up rather than try to export them back to where they came from.

  191. 191
    Dddddddddddddddave says:

    The Big Society is dead in the water now that Hilton has told Dave he is a Hunt and has given in his notice and gorn orf to California.

  192. 192
    Anonymous says:

    If they just concentrated on what we actually want as an electorate and not what they think we want, we might like them a bit better.

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    Ken the crooked says:

    Agree 100% Mr Ned. I too am not an ‘old fogey’ and have always believed the word ‘gay’ to mean happy.

    Why is it that hom*sexu*ls don’t like to use the correct word for their sexuality? I have always been fairly tolerant of anyone’s sexu*l orientation, provided they don’t try to ‘shove it in my face’ so to speak! Unfortunately, as things stand at the moment, it appe.a.r.s. that homosexu*ls are making out that it is hetrosexu*ls who are in the wrong, and quite frankly I’ve had enough now.

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    Elizabeth says:

    It does seem rather odd when the two most liked politicians in the land are George Galloway and Alex Salmond.

  195. 195
    Disgruntled Sheffielder says:

    I don’ suppose it occured to you they were doing it for a laugh? Best comedian out there old Mr Farrago! Silly Ukipper!!!!

  196. 196
    Disgruntled Sheffielder says:

    HAlf-heated what like a pasty do you mean

  197. 197
    Grand Maaster, Grand Lodge, Queen Street says:

    Handy, I will fix you up with all these appointments, but you have to do what you promised; get your boys in Portsmouth to fix me up with a villa in Spain like yours, in gratitude for all the planning permissions you have fixed them up with, for the asylum seekers you are taking in. Jahbulon.

  198. 198
    Anonymous says:

    one thing is for sure, no matter what happens to us, we will have a grandstand seat watching over the border as England disappears under a torrent of debt, no manufacturing, mass immigration, riots, hand-wringing apologists for every minority cause, privatisation of the NHS (as well as everything else), prescription charges, university education charges, elderly care charges, lower taxes for the rich etc etc.

    Probably best summed up under the banner of ‘complete social, political and economic collapse’.

    Your welcome!

  199. 199
    Universal Hiss says:

    He has said we with have a referendum on EU membership if the people of Scotland vote for independence.

    I believe him. He lies for sure but slightly less than the others.Given the choices no wonder SNP are doing so well.They have been responsible in government & not frightened the horses too much.

    I’ve just had my first candidate for the council election call. SNP. I doubt if the others will bother to show their faces.

    Given the state of Westminster politics,the vile,lying,venal faces who have utter contempt for anyone outside their little village it’s not really surprising that the SNP are trusted by many.

    Perhaps it’s a case of the best of a bad bunch?

  200. 200
    Eric Joyce (Teen Fondler and No2 Trougher in Parliament) says:

    Grand Master, can you fix me up with a well paying appointment, when I leave Parliament at the end of this term? On Handy’s advice, I have applied to join the Brotherhood and wished I had before, then things might have been covered up for me. I have the nominations and my membership application is going through at the moment. I hope you don’t mind me prematurely saying, Boaz.

  201. 201
    Universal Hiss says:

    There is so much shit talked about this from both sides of the boarder. I’d like to see some hard facts & figures about the economic reality.

    I won’t hold my breath on that one though.

  202. 202
    Universal Hiss says:

    May help if I spell border correctly to make sense of above.

    (Note to self.Preview before posting.)

  203. 203
    Ken Livingstone's £260 shoes says:

    But then socialism is all about doing as you are told, not leading by example

  204. 204
    saffron says:

    Which party leaders are you talking about?.
    Not this current bunch of chancers I trust,the loons are really running the asylum.

  205. 205
    Universal Hiss says:

    Very true.

    Five years ago I’d have laughed at the thought of voting SNP. Not any more.

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    annette curton says:

    What we really need are controlled explosions, if you get my drift.

  207. 207
    edmartin says:

    if the mob hates all politicians then the mob hates itself

  208. 208
    annette curton says:

    I’m going to vote SNP and I live in England.

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    Unaligned voter says:

    That kind of talk get Theresa May mad.

  210. 210
    Sinn fein says:

    Our electorate are more than happy as they and we take every opportunity to bleed the British

  211. 211
    Unaligned voter says:

    Diane Abbot is a case in point, I think.

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    misterned says:

    Actually all three represent the orders of the EU Commission.

  213. 213
    misterned says:

    Yeah, then he can implement the exact same EU dictated agenda as the other three would.


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    Anonymous says:


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    Rage Against the Political Elite. says:

    Sungei. Good question and the answer is they are going to default. Just depends how bad they want to make it before they do.

    No Growth means that the Debt will just keep on rising to support the Public Sector Ponzi Scheme. Stagnation and Deflation will compound the problem and is only being held off by the Printing presses of the BOE. The printing presses wont keep printing forever and there is your default. Waging War was never a good idea from an economic perspective and the Phoney War on Drugs is part of the reason the economy is broken

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    Voteforpedro says:

    Don’t forget lord trougher of spring burn, gorbals tam, man of the people!

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    Dewey, cheatem and howe says:


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    Exasperation says:

    …quite right.

    Bashing politicians, saying they are all the same, is the laziest way to think. Politicians respond to us – and we get the politicians we deserve. Judging by the comments on this blog, we deserve a very nasty bunch of shiesters.

    And the alternative to “politicians” is what? rule by a “strong man”? Is a fascist takeover the ultimate Guido agenda? I wonder….

  219. 219
    Anonymous says:

    the mob hates the political class

  220. 220
    Dewey, cheatem and howe says:

    Political Pygmy, ms abbot, why she gets airtime At all is strange

  221. 221
    Dewey, cheatem and howe says:

    Galloway is more than match for paxo but ms Abbott should really keep her head down as she is always full of shit

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    Devil's Dumplings says:

    Unfortunately, you are correct. The fundamental problem is that – despite the massive cock-up foisted upon us by 13 years of BLiar and Broon (and Balls et al) – the electorate did not see fit to return a majority party to Westminster and we have ended up with this emasculated excuse for a Government.

    Although I believe that Cameron deserves a massive kicking for his completely inept handling of what could have been a PR gift (eg every single reduction in funding should have been suffixed with ‘This is thanks to Labour’ or ‘Thank you Gordon..’ to get the message across to the Class War proles) what the sensible electorate has to consider is to stop Liebour EVER getting back into power. We can’t risk dividing the contra-Liebour vote – to do so risks putting Balls back in the driving seat (‘cos Millitwat isn’t going to last the course).

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    Devil's Dumplings says:

    Very good! To the tune of what???

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    Anonymous says:

    I’m pretty sure Politicalbetting.com had this exact story 3 days ago! what are the chances!!!!!

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    Devil's Dumplings says:

    Correct. Lots of clear thinking, decisive, ex-Mil types with well honed leasdership skills now looking for a place to make their mark. Despite the demonisation of the ‘Officer Class’ by the BBC, most SNCOs and JO’s would run rings around any MP and the Mid-ranking SOs could demolish any Cabinet Minister before breakfast. And – here’s a novel thing – the vast majority have real integrity, honesty and selflessness instilled in them from the word go.

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    misterned says:

    Sorry, typo. I meant half hearted.

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    Smig says:

    If Scotland decides to split from the Union Kingdom, England would like the return of bailout monies provided prior to the 1705 agreement. With interest of course.

    The additional funds per capita provided under the Barnett Formula will be repaid to Westminster.

    The monies still outstanding from saving RBS will be handed back too.

    In hindsight, perhaps the Scotch would’ve preferred to starve amongst the midges in the Highlands after the Darien fiasco?

  228. 228
    misterned says:

    Well he did promise a referendum on independence for Scotland and it looks like he is sticking to his word there.

    I have not seen any promise of a referendum on EU membership, although I could have easily missed one from him.

    I have heard him make false promises of what benefits an independent Scotland could have in the EU.

    He is trying to make out that his version of independence has all the up-sides of independence without any of the downsides, alongside all the up-sides of remaining in the UK (Royal Family, UK military etc…) without any of the downsides and all the up-sides of remaining in the EU, without any of the downsides. So that would appear that he is assuming that Scotland will remain a full member inside the EU, partially part of the UK and wholly independent all at once.

    He has mentioned a referendum on joining the Euro single currency. Seeing that this is a lawful obligation of any new member, then a referendum is moot. A newly independent Scotland as a new member state of the EU MUST join the Euro according to EU law.

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    Gerrymandering Pacemaker says:

    ” Ferry Cross to ….. Jersey ” ??

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    McCavity ( from one cat to another) says:

    Schrodinger — are you still hunkered at home trying to be serious on an Easter Wednesday ??

    Don’t you realise we’ve all packed up for the hols and are respectively sweating behind the wheel of a gridlocked car , fuming under the raised armpit of a fellow “holidaymaker” on overcrowded understaffed overland trains or being seriously groped by customs officers at airports whilst their Border Agency passport colleagues take three hours to verify you are indeed you and then wheel you through a scanner which drills down to expose your genitals whilst simultaneously zapping you with doses of catcinogenic lasers to read your eyeball?

    Why should you have all the fun !!

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    inside- out says:

    More like a silver shovel to feed that mouth.

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    inside- out says:

    And the EU getting all the information as well.It’s their directive in the first place.We are all doomed.The only way out is southern hemisphere OZ or NZ.

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    Back late from my trip to the local town here.

    The page has moved on but I want to record that I said what I did as a compliment. I admire people who express themselves well, forcibly and who use good English.

    I don’t have to agree with them all the time or in every respect. But sometimes those words can have an effect.

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    Why indeed?

    Thanks for that laugh.

    You probably know that I like to mix the serious with the insane. You are a long time dead – the more so if you are Schrödinger’s cat.

  235. 235

    Crikey! You have just made my point for me. ;-)

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    Anonymous says:

    no problemo – we’ll pay it out of the interest on the interest on the refund we receive from you by way of returning all tax and other income generation from North Sea Oil over the last 3 or 4 decades…

    your welcome!

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    inside- out says:

    But can we trust UKIP? They are politicians after all.Just WHO can I trust with my vote,every party has failed me before.

  238. 238
    inside- out says:

    When the electorate of Sheffield have their say over Clegg,guess were he will end up.An EU Commissioner? .

  239. 239
    Trahison des Clercs says:

    We are the Dead (Winston Smith)

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    Arthur Scargill says:

    Didn’t the EU come into being due to a treaty signed by one John Major?

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    Marion the cat says:

    Of two words – which has triggered the modbot, Billy or Alert.
    I think we should be told what modbot has problems with, Guido. Not just find out by chance !!!!!

  242. 242
    Marion the cat says:


    Last time I voted Conservative. I was afraid a wasted vote would give Brown the chance to f*** things uo in spades. Now I am no longer sure of the Lib / Con divide.

    Next time it will be UKIP – but for God’s sake Farage merit the support.

    1) Get policies across the board, get them aired.
    2) Get decent potebtial MPs, not the wank that we regularly hear from.

    Regards (Hello MODBOT?)

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    Marion the cat says:

    Bi**ly Alert !!

  244. 244
    Marion the cat says:

    I get some satisfaction from the statements of others serving to constitute the concensus which I feel is rapidly becoming inescapable. Thank you fellow feline, living or dead.

  245. 245
    Marion the cat says:

    I fondly remember Newsnight years ago when Paxo asked Galloway if he felt guilty about beating Oona King – pillock needed to ask that question of the electorate. Confirms everything I ever thought about him.

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    Marion the cat says:

    Is that what we actually think of a military junta, unelected and unelectable ?

  247. 247
    Marion the cat says:

    Sorry, being too economical with words, I really mean that whilst they may be competant (like the European Vichy rulers being placed in failing economies, may be capable) do we want to trade accountability to the public, via the ballot box) for someone perhaps slightly more competant but not chosen by the public). This has troubled me a lot recently – given how Europe is going)

  248. 248
    Marion the cat says:

    todays competition – which of the words above has caused the problem. Whan you can see them that is.

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    bakersman says:

    More half baked than half heated.

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    bakersman says:

    In days of yore, ‘your’ did not mean ‘you’re’ – although these days it seems it might.

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    Devil's Dumplings says:

    Who mentioned a military Junta? Only you. Amazing isn’t it, as soon as you mention ex-mil types the BBC-brainwashed types leap out and start harping on about coups, juntas and Courts Martial. If you care to look, even slightly carefully, my response was to a post advocating ‘a new populist PARTY’ who might ‘position themselves as a no-nonsense centre-right PARTY’ . Just to spell it our for you – as you are patently of little intellecual ability – I was suggesting that there are some well-able personnel around with honour, integrity and commonsnse who could form a new POLITICAL PARTY and achieve office by democratic means, most having spent a considerable part of their lifetime defending that democracy.

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    Devil's Dumplings says:

    Sorry, I meant ‘intelectual’ couldn’t edit the post for some reason.
    I suppose the next statement will mention well-heeled but ignorant Officers being waited-on hand and foot by goodly Batmen from underprivaledged backgrounds who couldn’t ever get to the Officers’ Mess because thay didn’t have the right school tie etc….

    That and ‘Servicemen don’t pay income tax, get free housing, food, booze and cigarettes’ sketch.

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