April 3rd, 2012

Digital Dave is Watching You

In opposition the liberal Conservatives were hardline in opposing New Labour’s surveillance state. David Cameron gave speeches attacking it:

…stopping the state from exerting too much power over us demands another big change. This Government is running not just a control state, but a surveillance state. In 2007, Privacy International ranked Britain’s privacy protections joint 43rd out of 47 countries surveyed – with the worst record in Europe, and only marginally better than Russia and China. Faced with any problem, any crisis – given any excuse – Labour grasp for more information, pulling more and more people into the clutches of state data capture…  And the Government doesn’t want to stop with the basic information. They want the most complex, important, personal information there is… Scare tactics to herd more disempowered citizens into the clutches of officialdom, as people surrender more and more information about their lives, giving the state more and more power over their lives. If we want to stop the state controlling us, we must confront this surveillance state.

Dave’s government is now proposing to allow the security services to monitor every single email, Facebook status update, text and tweet. This is such an about turn, which will ramp up the surveillance state so much, that one wonders if it is deliberately being set out to be defeated. The Coalition Agreement promised “We will end the storage of internet and email records without good reason”, libertarian Tories and the LibDem left will surely form a parliamentary coalition against it which a cynical opposition will surely join. The more Machiavellian-minded might suspect that the purpose of the proposal is for it to be dropped and thereby demonstrate that the government is listening to its backbenchers. Surely when we already have Google already monitoring everything, we hardly need the state to get in the game…


  1. 1
    maggie the dog says:

    Stand back nothing to see hear

  2. 2
    Andrew Efiong says:

    If you’re reading this Dave, bog off.

    Get a grip. Stop floating crap ideas. Cut waste. Get government out of my way. Punish scroungers. Get a move on.

  3. 3
    illogical says:

    What better way to get different factions working together [ we’re all in it together] than to suggest a “big brother’ surveilance scheme that is objectionable to all.
    Digital Dave?

    The guy’s clockwork!

  4. 4
    maggie the dog says:

    Well now we’ll be able to track all the MP’s checking out their gay porn

  5. 5
    What's Left? says:

    We are all Stasi now

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    Anonymous says:

    Changing the subject… Anyone seen the Beeb’s web site coverage of the Falklands anniversary? Argentine position first and second paragraphs, UK’s third and fourth. Lots of pictures of Fernandez, none of UK polititians. I wonder how they covered the thirtieth anniversary of WW2?

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    jgm2 says:

    It is such an irredeemably sh*it idea. I kind of assumed the state already had the power to listen in to anybody whenever it felt like it – wasn’t that the purpose of all that anti-terror legislation? Or, even if it didn’t formally have the power then it did it anyway.

    I can’t see the chaps in Cheltenham or Langley worrying too much about listening in on anybody they feel like in any case. But to formalise these powers unnecessarily – you’d have to hope this has been set up to fail. But I doubt it.

    David Davis tried to make a stand on ID cards and 42 day detention and the rest of the wicked and malicious Labour Imbecility’s imbecile ideas but was dismissed as a maverick. Cut loose and left swinging in the wind even by his own party.

    Sadly, it wouldn’t surprise me if this is a genuine proposal. Is the fucker really about to undo all the good work and political goodwill he accumulated when, on day one of national Liberation from the Imbecile, he abolished ID cards? Really?

    Oh FFS.

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    Flatcap Army says:

    why doesn’t anyone mention that this the UK having to comply with an EU directive?


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    Anonymous says:

    He *did* say he was the heir to Blair…

  10. 10
    50 Calibre says:

    Is Google spelt C I A?

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    Captain Mainwaring says:

    An EU directive??? Stupid boy…

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    Rage Against the Political Elite. says:

    The State need to keep Tabs on everyone to test the mood and make sure that RESPECT party dont take any more Seats. The STATE must stop people thinking, thats why Politicians are all the SAME. CON DEM LAB Puppet Politics

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    jgm2 says:

    It’s the BBC at work. They can’t totally ignore the 30th Anniversary but to cover it from the British/Fatcher angle would lead to a groundswell of British nationalism, a reminder that it was the T*ries who stood against the Argies while Labour wet their beds and the unions attempted to destroy the nation.

    And that would never do.

    Hence covering it from the Argentine perspective.

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    johnl says:

    Sign the e-petition against this intrusion:


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    Rage Against the Political Elite. says:

    We need the Robust Rule of Law to Stop the Fraudster Political Class and the Media machine that Supports their Undemocratic State. Democracy Not Soap Opera, Cameroon gets the questions in Parliament so they have a day to work out the answers. WHAT A CON. with the Liarbour and Lieberal Party in Cahoots.

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    Rage Against the Political Elite. says:

    Any one work out how David Davis has been kicked into the long Grass, now that he said the POLICE STATE has gone to far.

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    Some Geezer wot hopes it is just Cameltoe playing politics says:

    If it ever did happen, too bad these lads won’t be running their own parallel system:

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    a non says:

    David Cameron- Artificial intelligence-
    HAL 2012. – The political oddity for the 21st century.
    Needs booting up the backside, let alone rebooting

  19. 19
    jgm2 says:

    This is just more generation of ‘thought crime’. We’re now seriously getting people jailed for a throwaway ‘racist’ tweet. One hundred and forty letters maximum. What the fuck could the guy seriously have said in 140 characters that was worth eight weeks jail?

    Upsetting? No doubt. Eight weeks in jail? Oh do come on.

    Meanwhile a p*ssed up MP goes on the rampage, assaults four people and walks free.

    This proposal is fucking madness. It’ll just be a trawl through the entire content of the interweb to criminalise everybody who isn’t sufficiently ‘right on’. What a bunch of c*unts. Or,, if they’re really so fucking stupid they can’t see what they’re proposing then what a tool to put into the hands of the next bunch of c*unts when the Imbecility rises again.

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    Sack Cameron - Elect A Tory says:

    Will this be another massive I.T. project that will cost billions and never work, or will it be enforced data storage by ISPs that civil servants and ministers will leave on trains and in taxis?

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    Lady Virginia Droit de Seigneur says:

    iDave is a t w a t of the highest order. He truly is the heir to Blair – cash for access, pissing money away in aid to big himself up on the international stage, total lack of coherent policies, rolling over to have his tummy tickled by an incompetent POTUS, subservience to the EU, refusal to do anything about immigration.

    At least his missus is more attractive but it’s about the only difference I can see.

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    Ex Conservative Voter says:

    My thoughts exactly. If the data are being collected, they can (and probably will) be stolen and published online. Someone (possibly an employee) is going to go after all the MPs’ data.

    It would be interesting to see what William Hague looks at in his spare time. (If he doesn’t start using https://www.torproject.org/ like the rest of us.)

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    maggie the dog says:

    The BBC never forgave the British people for making the falklands war a popular war

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    Sack Cameron - Elect A Tory says:

    How many sources and whistle-blowers do journalists think they’ll have left if this odious proposition becomes reality?

  25. 25

    Is this really how politics is done nowadays?

    No wonder everyone gets turned off – and perhaps that is the actual game plan?

  26. 26
    jgm2 says:

    Thing is – Labour wanted to make us all carry ID cards. No doubt they’ll oppose this on opportunistic grounds but the wicked and malicious party would have had us all DNA-ed by now. And paying for the privilege.

    What a c*untish proposal by Dave though. Trawl the interweb looking to criminalise people. The whole purpose of the law used to be to react to a crime that had taken place. Not to go snooping around through dustbins and our entire private lives and correspondence on the offchance they could ‘find’ a fucking crime.

    This kind of proposal, as with ID card proposal, fundamentally changes the relationship between the governed and the governors. Instead of presumption of innocence it is now presumption of guilt.

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    genghiz the kahn says:



    Nothing to fear, nothing to hide. Why doesn’t he introduce phone tapping, letter opening, and the use of a Secret State Police with a small army of co-opted informers?

    Time to hack into Call Me Dave’s personal emails and publish them, release the hounds.

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    jgm2 says:

    Why doesn’t he introduce phone tapping, letter opening, and the use of a Secret State Police with a small army of co-opted informers?

    Errrr – isn’t that what this proposal amounts to?

    Presumption of guilt.

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    a non says:



    Perhaps this was Dave’s recent dicussions with Obama. He really is becoming a Bliar clone.

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    Too Far says:

    Strange… I thought Murdocks News Int. were “bought to book” for doing the same thing that this so called government is proposing to do. i.e. hacking emails, listeninig/spying on innocent citizens!

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    From an obtuse angle.

    They say that the government is going to ask all the ISPs etc.etc. to have a magic box in the corner, from the government, that records all this.

    Surely it would be constantly broken, and never do quite what it was supposed to, perhaps even arse up the whole site’s setup. And be a security risk for that matter. As a “government IT” project, its not something that will happen quickly.

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    Ex Conservative Voter says:

    Presumably someone from a company that makes network storage arrays has paid £250,000 to have dinner with Cameron, and used the opportunity to tell him how his company’s equipment could easily and cost-effectively be integrated into all ISP/telecoms infrastructure allowing GCHQ blah blah blah “you seem a bit hesitant, Mr Cameron, here’s another £250,000.”

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    Nick says:

    My theory about the motive for this move was that Dave had been told by Brussels to bring in these surveillance measures.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    PS: I’m thinking of having some mosaic tiles done in the bathroom.

    I’ve changed my mind now.

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    jgm2 says:

    Somewhat depressingly I fear you may be right. It’s the same reason we ended up with 12bn quid NHS computer systems that don’t work.

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    Heinrich Hymmler II says:

    Excellent proposal Dave. When we come to power it will be really useful to have all these snooping databases already set up, with trackable historical info. as well. Undesirable individuals better start emigrating now.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:


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    Tooth fairy says:

    Google… Hilton…. Americans… Dave and a cosy chat with Obama on last visit… IT project…. public money subsidies…. free market down the tubes, truly Orwellian

  39. 39
    David Cameron says:

    I am a Tory, not a conservative.

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    jgm2 says:

    As a “government IT” project, its not something that will happen quickly.

    No, probably not. But it will cost a fucking fortune to not work. Just like the escalating cost of our non-existent aircraft carriers. And the NHS computer project etc etc.

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    Cold & hungry pensioner robbed blind by Labour and Tories says:

    One day I’ll be able to buy and eat a hot pasty and sausage roll. I’m hoping it’s before 2016.

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    Anonymous says:

    It might also help if they tap all the solicitors phones and offices and make them reveal what their clients told them under oath. This could save billions and billions of pounds.

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    jgm2 says:

    I think the wicked and malicious party changed the law on that a while ago too. You can’t tell your solicitor or accountant the truth now either because he’s supposed to grass you up if you do.

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    Ex Conservative Voter says:

    “What the fuck could the guy seriously have said in 140 characters that was worth eight weeks jail?”

    A commentator at The Times looked into this, apparently one of the student’s more unacceptable rants was in *response* to someone who had threatened to go around to his house and set him and his family on fire. So the student (naturally) writes an abusive response and goes to jail. The person who threatened to set him and his family on fire didn’t go to prison.

    We are now at the point where we can go to prison for saying something that the State finds offensive.. and of course those goalposts will move all the time.

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    Widescreen2010 says:

    What is it about being in Government that makes previously sensible-sounding people want to control everything?

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    Stop them, Guido!!! says:

    I don’t care what strategies underlie this monstrous proposal. I don’t care if this is all just government game play and they intend to withdraw this in order to show back benchers they are listening.

    How dare this tainted government even suggest this! Who the hell do they think they are? How dare they play power games with our freedom!

    What fools this lot are proving themselves to be, there’s going to be a huge backlash from this, whatever their wretched motives are. This idiot proposal will do even more damage the Conservatives and to their local election candidates.

  47. 47
    Synic says:

    To keep the sheeple safe.

  48. 48
    Sir William Waad says:

    But Cameron IS a Tory. The problem is that he is not a conservative.

  49. 49
    Ex Conservative Voter says:

    You’re a wanker, and you’re not going to be PM after May 2015.

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    genghiz the kahn says:

    Hadn’t realised that Call Me Dave liked the East German model of democracy. Why not call this special police the Staasi.

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    Labourunionsbbc we are one says:

    Politics is done outside of Engerland nowdays, what these bods are doing is implementing it.

  52. 52
    genghiz the kahn says:

    I suppose that if I set up an e-petition against this proposal, all the signatories would be put on to some sort of database the non-friends of Dave.

    The guy is an odious Hunt.

  53. 53

    You remember how we all campaigned for ‘Anyone but Brown’?

    next time, a small addendum.

    “Anyone but Brown or any member of the Labour party- and the following exceptions”
    – Dave
    – Nick Clegg
    -Vince Cable

    Its not as catchy a slogan but does seem necessary.

  54. 54
    anon says:

    Dead true. Well done.Just read eu referendun blog its all there we are ruled by brussels.

  55. 55
    a non says:

    Maybe Dave just wants to muddy the Leveson water [ if that is at all possible] and protect his Rebbekah?

    Rupe and James must be wetting themselves laughing.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    As long as he doesn’t write with a felt tip pen or meet an old bag in Oldham, he’ll be OK.

  57. 57
    fabians are Evil says:

    Many a true word……………..

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    Anonymous says:

    Why’ve you gone all lefty on us with this ‘dave’ business?

    Personal attack for no reason that just fails with a yawn – you might as well said it’s a ConDem thing.

    It’s not his government – and it makes it sound less creepy if you just think it’s him reading it all.

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    MandyPickleSniffer says:

    Does this mean that my identity (Jacqui Smith) will become known to all, and Mandy Pickle-Sniffer and other monickers will be outed? So, all my ranting & raving about the hypocritical, criminally-incompetent, aspiration-killing Labour wankers will be transparent, and everyone will know that it’s actually ME, Jacqui Smith, writing all this shite??

  60. 60
    Brutus says:

    Missed the Ides of March this year, but beware 2013 Dave.

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    jgm2 says:

    Madness. Eight weeks.

    Meanwhile Labour destroys the economy ruining millions of people’s lives. hundreds will commit suicide, have depressed lives, medical problems associated with depression etc etc and not a single one of the fuckers spends a minute in jail.

    And the folk on here who suggest that an appropriate punishment for such wilfully opportunistic economic treason is that they be hung from a crane by piano wire will be the ones explaining themselves to the fucking beak.

    Fucking madness.

  62. 62
    Uncle Tom says:

    Why is there a news blackout regarding the current strike by French Air Traffic Controllers resulting in thousands of passengers stranded in Europe

  63. 63
    Anonymous says:

    ID cards if (big if) properly implemented will cut crime. CCTV in every residential street with proper jail sentence will also cut crime.

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    Sir Aston Martin says:

    For general searches, try DuckDuckGo. Stupid name, but it doesn’t retain any information about you, unlike Google.

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    The weakest link says:

    At some point, all those “black boxes” will have to be replaced, and the old ones ‘securely disposed of’.

    I once got hold of a ‘securely disposed of’ IBM PC that had belonged to Reliance Security Group (they who provide night-watchmen). And that PC had sat on the desk of their head of personnel. And its hard drive had all the warning and dismissal letters that he’d written on it.

    Amazing how many of their staff showed up for work drun*k.

    Imagine what crazy stuff someone’s going to find on Camoron’s Black Boxes when they’re pulled out of a stockroom.

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    Sir Aston Martin says:

    Yep, a bunch of green vegetables.

  67. 67
    Cressida says:

    You already on our list. Don’t go jumping any Tube barriers.

  68. 68
    Plato says:

    There will be huge costs for the project.
    Some bright spark will suggest that we can sell it to democracies all over the world – to cover the costs.
    But once the UK has paid for the development of the system, others will copy it cheaply.

    The clever criminals will find a way round it anyway.

  69. 69
    Anonymous says:

    What is wrong in telling the truth?

  70. 70

    Is there really an NHS database?

    I’d be so much happier if a Sunday times scoop discovered that the NHS database was just a Netbook with a few pages of Exel.

    The billions have actually been spent on an underground brothel and luxury opium den for the ruling elite.

    Far better to have unscrupulous, thieving, self interested elite taking the dosh than just plain old incompetence.

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    Showbiz_for ugly people says:

    Using the Falkland islands to distract from tory misbehaviour / unpopularity?

    That old chestnut?

    Good work window lickers

  72. 72
    Anoneumouse says:

    EU Data Retention Directive 2006/24/EC

    Or as implemented in the UK by Statutory Instrument

    The Data Retention (EC Directive) Regulations 2009 no.859

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    jgm2 says:

    Aye. And CCTV in every private home will stop it too no doubt.

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    illogical says:

    Tin foil bathcaps can look most attractive.
    And singing in the bath with the water running covers all external surveillance

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    misterned says:

    This only proves that the tories are EU puppets.


    This is the directive which is imposing this surveillance state.

    To be fair to the tories and libs, as soon as they came to power, they scrapped the NIR, the ID cards scheme and the Children’s database. Eric Pickles has also scrapped labour’s local authority database which has been storing details of everyone’s home improvements. He even ensured that all the back-ups were destroyed so that these databases could not be restored and used against us. Kudos for that.

    However, the EU has long been planning EU wide surveillance and an EU wide ID scheme. It is a shame that when it comes to the EU, the tories, liberals and labour are equally as subservient as each other.

    It is particularly disgraceful that Theresa May would falsely use the case of Ian Huntley to try to sell this policy, instead of telling the truth about the EU origins of it.

    I guess that they are scared that we will all see through the tories false euroscepticism and realise that tory and labour are identical puppets of a foreign entity. A profoundly anti-democratic, autocratic, totalitarian surveillance state.

    The only hope we have to avoid a totalitarian police state being imposed on us is voting UKIP.

    If you value your freedom and your liberty and your right to privacy in your private and professional endeavours, vote UKIP.

    NONE of the main parliamentary parties will look after our interests or our rights.

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    A Pasty-faced Plonker Posing as PM, - now discovers ‘Caring Conservatism’! says:

    I say chaps!! I’ve got a super wheeze! Why don’t we look at every e-thingy? – then people will think we’re taking an interest in them as individuals!

    And those jolly Wind Farms remind them that we wealthy gentry are making electricity for them everywhere!

    Now that’s what I dashed well call ‘Compassionate Conservatism’ – watt?

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    misterned says:

    This is because of 2006/24/EC.

    It is an EU diktat.

    Vote UKIP.

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    Gonk says:

    Dave seemed a way out from the Brown and Blair horror.
    But he’s not a way out, he’s a cipher, a nothing.
    A time wasting hollow man.

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    Anonymous says:

    Last straw for me. I wanted a Tory government and instead we end up with yet more 3rd way rubbish.

    Was really hoping to see an end to overspending, PFI, snooping and general ‘we know best’ nannying and instead we get buckets more of all.

    Time for a David Davis party? I’d consider that!

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    Ex Conservative Voter says:

    Yes, but the link from your PC to duckduckgo is tapped under Cameron’s proposals, so all of your search-terms would be stored by the government.

    To get round this, you’d have to be sure to use duckduck in conjunction with a network of encrypted proxies, such as https://www.torproject.org/

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    Another day in Bizarro world says:

    The EU, i.e. the Krauts and Frogs are trying to keep it under wraps so everyone doesn’t cancel their summer in France which will lose Little Napoleon his election when the frog eaters in g.a.y paree have no tourist money putting food on their tables.

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    MandyPickleSniffer says:

    And, as per post 58 (and several others) I do notice a major tilt away from the usual Labour-bashing, and far more of an anti-Cameron stance of late. Has Guido been turned? Maybe it was one of the conditions of the dead-tree journo job, to be more balanced in bashing on the blog. Only problem is that, apart from this last disastrous fortnight, the number of fuck-ups & gob-smackingly ignorant comments & actions etc tend to mostly come from Labour….so it just can’t possibly ever be a balanced situation.

  83. 83
    David Davies for PM!!! says:

    Electing the demented Cameron automaton was a huge mistake – he aint human! We should have elected the human being who relates to and fights for us.

    How do we sack Cameron?

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    jgm2 says:

    If you’re such a champion of ‘truth’ you could start by putting up your real name instead of ‘anonymous’.

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    Showbiz_for ugly people says:

    Not true, I read the timeline as it occurred (before this snivelling cretin deleted it and ran off crying) and that’s incorrect.

    that said whilst this guy was undoubtedly an utter oxygen thief he 100% did not deserve to go to jail.

    Not surprised to see apologists for his behaviour on here though.

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    Who's laughing now? says:

    People used to laugh at me when I pointed this out two years ago.

  87. 87
    Wehrmachtskanister says:

    “Dave” or if it was “Ed ” do exactly what they are told to do by the NSA:


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    An expurt in these matters says:

    Try molluscs instead?

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    Angry of London says:

    £4.99 per month for secured internet proxy by VPN (also good for private torrent downloads).

    Drop facebook and keep mobile phone usage to a bare minimum. Only use email and twitter accounts with non-personal identifiers set up using fake account details.

    There you go. The tw*ts haven’t even started wasting our money yet, and already there is a perfectly viable workaround.

    Still, that does raise the question of why the f*_ck, in a tax-payer funded democracy we should ever have to submit to this kind of cr*_p. Might forgive Dave his total inability to reverse the QE-funded Liebour waste. Will NOT forgive him for this.

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    misterned says:

    The ancient law which gives you the right not to be a witness against yourself.

    If it convicts you of something which you did not do? If it helps the police fit you up for something?

    Watch it. Do you really want your lawyer and the police fitting you up?

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    Cressida's Limp Dick says:

    ….but don’t worry, we usually get the wrong guy, oh and I get another promotion!

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    Another Engineer says:

    A stupid idea. Emails to and from Google Mail are already encrypted so Google will need to be part of the plan (if they aren’t already). As will any other small mail service. People will use TOR or similar (although no doubt GCHQ/Echelon own half the exit nodes).

    Billions of pounds into a black hole. To “save”, what, the 8 people a year killed by terrorism, except it won’t even do that. Improving a couple of roads would save that for a lot less, and not turn the UK into a surveillance state.

    For GCHQ:
    I do not engage in terrorism, drug dealing, assassination, subversion, rioting and do not make ricin, methyl mercury, semtex or any other form of plastic explosive. I do not posess any radioactive materials (other than bananas), nor would I release Caesium into the environment. The only yellow cake I posess is for eating.

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    misterned says:

    And tell the EU to go fuck its 2006/24/EC!

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    Truth and reconciliation says:

    Whoever voted for this to55er in 2005 should demand to be publicly thrashed.

  97. 97
    Hang 'em High - Really High (own piano wire supplied) says:

    Bring him to a lamp post near me!

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    Gawd Help Us says:

    On the guarantee that there will be a nicely paid little job for him come 2015? Why on earth would he want another term?

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    Showbiz_for ugly people says:

    You partisan apologist prick

    This is indefensible and you’re trying to pin this on the lib dums is truly pathetic., with a bit of luck those dozy fence sitters will be the ones scrapping this contemptuous bill.

    Trying to paint this as Dave and his Nu blue crew being forced into a Stasi state by the Lib Dums isn’t going to wash, I’m embarrassed for you for even trying.

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    Gonk says:

    Plus a lot.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    The sun came up this morning. Its raining in Manchester. GuidoII is late. The French are on strike.

    None of the above is news.

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    Yeah But! says:

    Thanks for that AE – like the closing para – would like to use that on every bit of waffle I send out – could also include a rejoinder to “Dave”

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    Ex Conservative Voter says:

    Not just 8 weeks, of course – he’s been kicked-out out of university and he was in his 3rd year.

    All for using a few words that have been banned by the State, which the recipients must have heard a thousands times before (I suppose they might have had to look each one up in a dictionary, but I doubt it).

    If I were that student, I’d change my name and take the course again using the Open University.

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    genghiz the kahn says:

    But the NHS database doesn’t work at weekends or on Bank Holidays.

  105. 105
    misterned says:

    Anonymous, go hand yourself in to the police now. You might be a terrorist or criminal… After all we cannot be too safe can we.

  106. 106
    Ken Frost says:

    It will get worse, next year Project Stellar Wind will go live:


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    dancing on thin ice says:

    This will turn out to be a triple U turn for Dave, first he’s against it, then he’s for it, then he’ll back down again. Quite impressive stuff, 10 out of 10.

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    jgm2 says:

    I was entering the US one time and the immigration chap asked me why I was coming to the US.

    ‘My wife’s here working so I’m visiting her’ I said.

    ‘WORKING????? What kind of visa does she have?’

    ‘I have no idea – her company will have arranged it.’

    I was there for at least an hour while he trawled through his computer looking for my wife’s visa details.

    Apparently I should have said ‘She’s here on business.’

    Business. Not working.

    And that’s why you shouldn’t be forced to tell the ‘truth’. Because to me she was ‘working’. She was getting paid after all. She wasn’t at home. She was ‘working’. But there is, it seems, a BIG difference between ‘working’ and ‘business’.

    That’s why we used to have the right to silence. So that an honest answer wouldn’t be twisted by some lawyer to suggest that you were somehow breaking the law.

    It was a valuable lesson though. And, that is why you should never offer anything to the police, immigration, HMRC etc etc.

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    Ex Conservative Voter says:

    Apologist? Not really. He was a drunken student who spouted a load of crap. That’s kind of what students do. When Cameron was a student he used to get drunk and trash restaurants, he didn’t get 8 weeks inside. Maybe he didn’t use abusive language towards the staff.

    The issue, is if you put your thoughts in writing and you can go to prison for it, because someone else defines your thoughts as “unacceptable”.

    And at around the same time as student-dingbat was mouthing off on Twitter, several Muslim women were let off for kicking the shit out of a white woman whilst screaming “white whore” at her.

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    misterned says:

    Correct JGM2. Prior to the election I supported the anti-surveillance state policies of the conservatives and liberal democrats. They were right that in a free country we are innocent until we can be proven guilty in a court of law according to proper jurisprudence and labour’s imposition of a surveillance state was wrong and ran counter to all our historical laws and customs.

    Good to their word, the coalition almost immediately scrapped the ID card scheme and the NIR database. they also scrapped the children’s database and several others.

    Only last month, Eric Pickles ensured that the local authorities databases which kept records of all of our homes and home improvements was scrapped and all back-ups destroyed so that it could not be resurrected to use against us.

    These were all good, liberty enforcing actions.

    Now we have the EU imposing a surveillance state upon use in spite of the previous liberty enhancing measures of the coalition.

    We need to tell the government to tell the EU to fuck itself! Instead they are using Ian Huntley to sell the measures?!?!?!

    I will be voting UKIP. At least UKIP voted against these measures when they were voted upon in the EU Parliament in 2006.

  111. 111
    Lord Jensen Interceptor says:

    My contacts in the HoC assure me that all members of both Houses will be exempt from this legislation.

  112. 112
    M Class says:

    Not going to happen, google proxy free servers and take note.

  113. 113
    misterned says:

    GCHQ hosts many of these TOR nodes already.

  114. 114
    Wehrmachtskanister says:

    “Billions of pounds into a black hole. To “save”, what, the 8 people a year killed by terrorism, except it won’t even do that. Improving a couple of roads would save that for a lot less, and not turn the UK into a surveillance state.”

    Rather than this, it is most likely about the prevention of a “British Spring” rather than prevent a few deaths via Pa.kistani terrorists.

    ie, a realisation by a few too many people that NuLiebor or Old Cons are simply a five year ( or multiples thereof ) rotating dictatorship of pocket liners shysters and money wasters or outright criminals!

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    The problem is that profiling is not allowed. Ludicrously it becomes just as important to search indigenous people as it does the teatowel and burqa brigade and to be seen to be doing that.

    What we should do is to re-introduce it.

    If the Europеan Court of Human Rights fail to recognise the need to target the real problem and want to intervene, then we can unilaterally pull out of the Europеan Convention on Human Rights as a last resort.

    If this should become problematic to the EU, then offer to pull out of that as well.

    Lenny Hoffmann said If the people are to accept the consequences of … decisions, they must be made by persons whom the people have elected and whom they can remove. Well the same applies to national and supra-national institutions.

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    Wehrmachtskanister says:

    Sorry, AE I meant to nick you disclaimer, now below, hope you don’t mind.

    For GCHQ:
    I do not engage in terrorism, drug dealing, assassination, subversion, rioting and do not make ricin, methyl mercury, semtex or any other form of plastic explosive. I do not posess any radioactive materials (other than bananas), nor would I release Caesium into the environment. The only yellow cake I posess is for eating.

  117. 117
    misterned says:

    Its an EU directive!

  118. 118
    Bluebottle says:

    You should only put in an email what you would put on a postcard.

    I have 297 dates of birth and if anyone asks about my income I tell them that I am worth millions.

    If I think there is a cookie about I spend five minutes googling sites I have no interest in whatsoever.

    I am a woman. I live in Llareggub in Dyfed. My favourite rugby club is Manchester United. I like sumo wrestling and aromatherapy

    I have 16 babies.

  119. 119
    misterned says:

    Thanks I already have.

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    Gonk says:

    No one is apologising for his behaviour you absolute tart.
    It’s the concept of a police state backed up by a media
    frenzy snitching that’s worrying people to death.

  121. 121
    Labourunionsbbc we are one says:

    Oh let’s put all our personal data up in the ‘clouds’ that way no one will have easy access to our stuff, that’s really cool.

    Aren’t I modern doing that, and I want an electric car too, to be ultra modern and cool.

    I live in Higate.

  122. 122
    genghiz the kahn says:

    160 people have signed up against it.


    Scrap Plans to Monitor all Emails and Web Usage

    Responsible department: Home Office

    Internet firms will be required to give intelligence agency GCHQ access to communications on demand, in real time.

    The Home Office says the move is key to tackling crime and terrorism. They have no right to attack our privacy, if the legislation goes through, Britain will be no different from regimes it criticises such as China and Iran.

    It would enable intelligence officers to identify who an individual or group is in contact with, how often and for how long. They would also be able to see which websites someone had visited.

    Government should scrap plans immediately.

  123. 123
    misterned says:

    … At great expense!

    Freedom of speech? Not in the UK!

  124. 124
    Mad, Bad & Dangerous Gordon McRuin ( Member in absentia ) says:

    Give me my old job back now !!!

  125. 125
    Anonymous says:

    jgm2 says:

    How not filling is like not telling the truth? It even says optional.

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    Lord Mooncrater says:

    This is sensible and to be welcomed, my noble Lord.

    Legislation such as this could compound the false allegations of fraud and theft made against our noble colleagues Lords Paul, Taylor and Baroness Uddin.

    As an aside, it is shocking that members of the lower House have gone to jail for minor misdemeanors.

  127. 127
    Rage Against the Political Elite. says:

    When you mention criminals, is that the LAW breaker Elite that Spy on everyone and carry out foreign flag terror attacks. You never know they may be really looking for a few more recruits to carry out the attacks and need to widen their NET.

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    Another Engineer says:

    Remember to rewrite it occasionally otherwise it will be filtered out :-)

    I’m not sure about the ‘British Spring’. I don’t think politicians are that self aware, to be honest. Besides, was it ever any different?

  129. 129
    misterned says:

    He is implementing an EU directive. This directive is to turn the entire EU into a surveillance state.

  130. 130
    Anonymous says:

    Have you heard about wasting police time?

    If you haven’t got any thing to hide ….

  131. 131
    The Boss says:

    Once I had ‘donated’ my £250k for dinner with Dave and Sam he,after a few Irn Bru’s did admit that he was terrified of the British public and that it was necessary to improve surveillance to ensure he and his cohorts had sufficient advance warning to pack and head for the hills.

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    Cleggit'sallover says:

    “…..then we can unilaterally pull out of the Europеan Convention on Human Rights as a last resort.

    If this should become problematic to the EU, then offer to pull out of that as well.”

    These words can no longer be said as the option simply doesn’t exist.

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    I Hate Tesco AND the Pope says:

    Good suggestion, misterned, but Anonymous is a paid troll that never leaves his computer. He’s never off Guido’s blog – never. His arse is welded to the seat fabric and he can’t stand up, let alone drag himself to the cop shop.

  134. 134
    Phil says:

    We all have to bear in mind that this particular gem’s fuse was lit by Brown and along with sundry other new labour decisons is only now seeing the light of day..

  135. 135
    21st Century Schizoid Man says:

    I remember a BBC news broadcast during the Falklands war that began, “The British Army, if it is to be believed, has stated……..”.

  136. 136
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    If you’re really interested in security, memory sticks carried by trusted couriers.

    Or talking.

  137. 137
    David Davies for PM!!! says:

    No need for that! All we need is for David Davies to form a real Conservative party which we all defect to. Then the coalition are forced to hold an election.

  138. 138
    gay, rich and soon to be married says:

    hehe, Dave really does have a peculiar idea of what us oiks actually want, I don’t know where he get’s it all from.

  139. 139
    David Davies for PM!!! says:

    Beggar off!

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    Scratch a libertarian, find a right-wing statist says:

    “we already have Google already monitoring everything”

    Including on this blog, where every RSS click is logged at feedproxy.google.com.

  141. 141
    jgm2 says:

    There’s a reason it’s optional. You’re the one arguing to make it compulsory.

  142. 142
    Anonymous says:

    Why are you support criminals rights?

  143. 143
    The Voice of the People has been stilled says:

    You’ll have a job……The government e-petition site has been “down” for “Maintainence” since last Monday…teh government clearly does not wish to hear the electorate’s views if they differ from theirs….

  144. 144
    Let 'em eat cake !!! says:

    Are there no ferries ???

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    David Davies for PM!!! says:

    “What this does is make (existing problems) 60 million times worse. The simple truth is that this is not necessary. What’s proposed here is completely unfettered access to every single communication you make. It’s a very, very big widening of powers which will be very much resented by many citizens who do not like the idea. It’s going to cause enormous resentment.”

    David Davies

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    MandyPickleSniffer says:

    so presumably all the algorithms will be set up to seek out & monitor further activity from people whose communications contain words like jihad, al qaeda, pakistan, fertiliser, nail bombs, 9/11, osama, caliphate, sharia, muslim, moslem, galloway, detonators, training camps, zionist, hizbollah, hezbollah, hamas, humus, finsbury mosque, al-jazeera….

    Can’t we just come up with euphemisms instead….like DAKS for “Dictator Ass-Kissing Sycophant” instead of Galloway?

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    bergen says:

    The MoD’s press office didn’t cover itself in glory either.Their spokesman had a face like a summons and the animation of the speaking clock.

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    Kevin T says:

    Can someone explain to me why the importance of fighting terrorism overrules the right of 60 million innocent people to privacy but not the right of known, foreign terrorists like Abu Qatada to stay in this country?

    Oh wait, I know, in both case the government are just taking orders from our real masters in Europe. The ECHR in Qatada’s case, the Data Retention Directive in the case of email monitoring.

  149. 149
    Just asking! says:

    It would be simpler for Mr Cameron to give us his e-mail address so we could then copy him in on rvery e-mail we send.

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    illogical says:

    Fortunately for this government they have Ed Miliband and Co to distract from anything important that might be occurring.
    Dave’s an a$$ but then his insignificant pontifications pale when compared with those of the opposition.

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    tottenham chutzpah says:

    … and with the News Corpse example showing us what happens when people do get watching, the government ought to realise that its’ own security service (and therfore government itself) would be corrupted by the process it is proposing to institute

  152. 152
    Uncle Tom says:

    Thats exactly why it should be reported. MSM are really slipping.

  153. 153
    Tony Bliar didnt fool me says:

    +1 million………..

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    All Ministers are the same says:

    I’m not sure it’s a bluff Guido. And labour can not oppose it as it was their idea in the first place.

    The more informed say that it is officials putting pressure on ministers and ministers caving in under fear of what if there is another terror attack and they get the blame for allowing it to happen. With this sort of persuasion all political parties vulnerable.

    but you can be sure that these new powers if they come into existence will be abused….be scarred, be be very scarred UKuncut.

    But it may just be as you suggest that ministers are flying this ridiculous kite to show the officials that the public does not want it.

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    annette curton says:

    If the conservative/coalition party carry on down this route it’s bye, bye Wavy & co, no votes from me ever again, sooner have a chimp for an M.P

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    Shouldn’t worry too much about the government idiots if the DWP posting here – http://cynicism.me/2012/04/03/11-years-of-bullshit-cameron-from-2001-to-the-2005-election/ – is anything to go by (scroll down to the bottom).

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    misterned says:

    how dare they even suggest this? But they have been ordered to by the EU. This is in response to 2006/24/EC. An EU directive.

    All three main parliamentary parties are all EU puppets.

    Vote UKIP.

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    Talking about filtering . . . says:

    Is Guido’s bloggy modbot a boiler-plate model or test-bed?

  159. 159

    The Americans are already listening to all electronic media and communication across the world.

    Type or say any of the their keywords and you’ll be flagged for monitiring

    see http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/1

  160. 160
    Fenton says:

    *Every* time you browse the web, send an e-mail, send/recieve a text or make a phone call there will be someone at your shoulder making notes.

  161. 161
    Consiracy Thierry says:

    Sacre Bleu

  162. 162
    annette curton says:

    No wonder the office of National Statistics is fucked, I’m sure there must be at least 85 million people now living in this Country

  163. 163
    Vacant Possesssion says:

    All we need now are ID cards that have to be scanned before we buy anything and the government can close the loop.

    Just imagine all that yummy personal data that incompetent/corrupt state employees can lose/sell and just imagine how the state will be able to calculate what you spend against what you earn to make sure you haven’t got anything they don’t know about and can tax. Just think how much money the government can make selling *your* data to whomsoever they want just like councils already sell electoral roll.

    While Aung San Suu Kyi pushes towards opening up her country we are busy reinventing the Stazi and moving away from openness and democracy.

    Doesn’t there come a point where we all wake up and recognise that *not one of the main political parties* have our best interests at heart.

    We have a left wing ‘conservative’ (FX: ROFL!) leader thrilled at being lead by an anti democracy EU numpty.

  164. 164
    Digital DickThe Pasty-faced Prick says:

    I say chaps! C’mon – give a fellow a chance to tell you about my super idea for e-thingys!

    I make a really super speech later! – watt?

  165. 165
    Ode to Larry..... by Data Cameron says:

  166. 166
    misterned says:

    No it hasn’t. I signed it yesterday and here is the link to the working petition site:


  167. 167
    Show Biz for ugly people says:

    read the post cretin

    Ex Conservative voter tried to imply this moron;’s tweets were in response to having his life and his families life threatened; I watched the timeline as it happened (I’m a Spurs supporter for my sins) and he’s already rejoiced in Mr Muamba’s death and told people to suck a w*gs aid.s ridden cock and that he’s stamp their face in etc etc

  168. 168
    Reality check says:

    One has to remember that Politicians are essentially stupid. This is evident when you consider that in neither the 9/11 nor 7/7 attacks did the perpetrators at any point conceal their identities. For them their identity , Psuedo or otherwise was an irrelevance and it wasnt a factor in what occurred.
    Yet for some reason known only to the seriously fuckwitted, the then Government of the day thought the major issue to be Identity cards in order , so they said, to protect us from terrorists!
    Stark raving bonkers.

  169. 169
    The UK is becoming East Germany circa 1976 says:

    Cameron is an International Corporate Socialist, more commonly known as Globalist Fascist.

    What he is presenting under the guise of “security” no doubt, is fascist law. Sixty five million people are now presumed guilty not innocent before the law and to be placed under state scrutiny. It stinks.

  170. 170
    misterned says:

    An easier rule is:

    “If the party you are about to vote for has been in government at all during the last 50 years, DO NOT VOTE FOR THEM.”

    They fucked up time and time again. How many more times are we going to elect failures?

    There will be other candidates on your ballot paper that will qualify as never having been in government before. They should be given a chance. Especially if they are going to rip the civil service a new one, sack all the pro-EU traitors in the foreign and commonwealth office and get us the hell out of the EU!

  171. 171
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Not from Roissy.

  172. 172
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    From thedailymash:

    Totally inept losers confident they can lock down the internet

    A GOVERNMENT that can barely send an email has unveiled somewhat ambitious plans to rule the web with an iron fist.

  173. 173
    Gordon McRuin, maximum manse says:

    I resent this!

  174. 174
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    you plainly cannot conjugate verbs. Its very very easy in English.

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    misterned says:

    All in all, no significant difference between any of the main Parliamentary parties then.

    Add pro-surveillance state to the:
    pro-EU subservience,
    Pro immigration,
    pro high taxes,
    pro climate change taxation and control,
    pro big government,
    pro weak on crime,
    pro ECHR,
    pro corrupt corporate lobbying,
    Pro-big banker,
    pro high debt,
    pro-politically correct nonsense,
    pro-merging our defence with that of France and
    soft on welfare…

  176. 176
    The UK is becoming East Germany circa 1976 says:

    Is everyone a criminal in your world anonymong?

  177. 177
    Rage Against the Political Elite. says:

    Very good video, a must see for those who dont have much experience of the Police. Now everyone knows why the Carpeted Walls in the tight fitting interview rooms. ha ha ha

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    The UK is becoming East Germany circa 1976 says:

    No but it’s run by them.

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    Sad soul says:

    Do you really think that GCHQ cannot do this already ???

  180. 180
    The UK is becoming East Germany circa 1976 says:

    Freedom of thought? Not in the UK.

  181. 181
    Rage Against the Political Elite. says:

    A Free people are the greatest Threat to this government, Quasi democracy fraud coming to an end. I bet the State wish they had listened to the ANTI WAR campaign before the invasion of IRAQ.
    These useless WAR mongers didn’t work out how the High energy prices and the Theft by greater TAX to pay for the Profligate Political Class would collapse the Global economy. Sack the LSE Fu-kwits.

  182. 182
    Rage Against the Political Elite. says:

    Cameroon is a Bliar Clone. He even Lies about the economy. PEACE TIME DEFICIT, My Arse.

  183. 183
    The UK is becoming East Germany circa 1976 says:

    So what? I could not care less what someone twatters to someone else, it’s ridiculous. That the state is in anyway involved in an online argument is really quite sinister and a perversion of everything a free society should be.

  184. 184
    Synic says:

    How many were on the Census returns last year? 40 million or less? A truly magnificent Government feck-up yet again.

  185. 185
    Rage Against the Political Elite. says:

    Hang on a minute, A 20p Biometric Card sold to 60+ Million, changed every 5 years as Biometrics change at £150 each. What a fu-king business worth Blowing up a few Trains in London. I am not a gambling man but if you follow the Money. Qui Bono

  186. 186
    Mike Newman says:

    Clearly, Cameron has gone as far as any traitor can go.

    It used to be that any fool could call himself a PR. Now it seems that any PR fool can call himself Prime Minister. Cameron has achieved the impossible of becoming more treacherous and criminally incompetent than Blair and Brown put together. I would never have believed it had I not lived just long enough to see it.

  187. 187
    Enumerator says:

    …Only because 30 million muslims didn’t fill out the form, so the census does not give a very accurate picture!!

    I should know!

  188. 188
    Party Time says:

    …..He then phoned his old mate “Fishy Fingers” Ross who got the girls around.

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    The UK is becoming East Germany circa 1976 says:

    I fear none are listening misterned, too tribal, too parochial and too ignorant, by and large.
    The EU dictatorship is the elephant in the room that nobody see, while our performing seal politicians play pretend democracy.

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    Rage Against the Political Elite. says:

    Well said Misterned.

    Ask the idiot, Anonymouse who the fu-k was going to make the profit from a 20p Biometric Card sold to 60+ million at an estimated £150 and changed every 10 year. Would make a bit of Bombing in London worth while to get it passed the knackers in government.
    Has the thick fu-ker never heard of the oldest game in the world. Protection Rackateering. That whole Gangster thing took off in America with Prohibition and the growth of FBI, DEA, CIA, ATF,
    And look whats happening Now.

  191. 191
    50 Calibre says:

    When the STASI was disbanded most of the operatives went into the taxi business because they knew where you wanted to go…

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    The UK is becoming East Germany circa 1976 says:

    “What is it about being in Government that makes previously sensible-sounding people want to control everything?”

    Fear. They know more and more people can see what they are doing and don’t buy the MSM bullshit anymore. This will end badly as all authoritarian socialist ideas do.

  193. 193
    ciconia says:

    I thought this was already happening.
    Presumably making it official will mean huge sums spent on systems that don’t work.

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    Proxy Foxy says:

    Those regularly using proxies will be first to be scrutinized. All you are doing is putting up a flag saying “I am accessing things I shouldn’t be”.

    Those proxy providers are already bound by law to disclose their logs if requested by law enforcement agencies. If they are based overseas then they still might do if requested by Interpol.

    Proxies give you short term privacy but flag you up to the goons at the Ministry of Truth I’m afraid.

    The Internet is NOT SAFE.

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    Gonk says:

    Dear Mr. Ugly,
    Your tribal affiliations are overriding your obvious slight attraction
    to free speech. We are probably on the same side of the freedom line.
    But you find you can overstep the mark when faced with ‘party’ issues.

  196. 196
    Proxy Foxy says:

    I forgot to say:

    They will know you are using a proxy as most ISPs (all of the major ones) have a big list of proxy provider IPs – regularly updated – and can immediately detect you are using a proxy server. They may already be flagging this.

  197. 197
    Spartacus says:

    Now at 3,500 Tuesday 11.30

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    Yes Minister says:

    Don’t mistake this for the internet providers keeping your details for one year.
    THIS IS IN REAL TIME SNOOPING as you write Cameron the Gay crusader 10 mins later they will be kicking down your door you will then disappear into a Gulag for 20 years.

  199. 199
    misterned says:

    Anonymous, I support innocent law abiding people being left alone to go about their business free from government interference and surveillance and unwarranted suspicion.

    You seem to prefer to consider everyone as a suspect instead. That is a profoundly anti-British attitude.

    We have courts and juries (for a while) to decide who is guilty or not guilty once evidence has been gathered.

    Treating everyone as a suspect who must continuously prove themselves innocent from an overbearing state is a totalitarian policy of banana republics and tinpot dictatorships. Perhaps you would feel more at home in North Korea?

    It should NEVER happen here.

  200. 200
    A Grey Ghost says:

    The British Government are amateurs. You’d be amazed what we get up to. And we don’t need no warrant. Hehe.

  201. 201
    The Advanced Stages of CiF says:

    Don’t think he should have gone to jail. Otoh, clearly this fellow has serious problems above and beyond mere drunken student japes. Betraying entrenched racist, sociopathic tendencies, a medical career for such a person really would have benefited no one.

  202. 202
    None so blind as party tribalists says:

    Or maybe people are finally waking up and seeing the Tories are as crap as Labour.

  203. 203
    misterned says:

    I saw the BBC interview an Argentinian relative of a dead soldier. He was asked if he thought the war was worth it.

    The BBC had to go all the way to Buenos Aires to get the answer they could not get here. He said that it was not worth it at all.

  204. 204
    misterned says:

    All three parliamentary parties are the same. There is barely a fag-papers width of difference between them.

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    Big Dave says:

    Our microphones are everywhere.

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    Jane Birkin from Paris says:

    The answer to the first question is very simple:

    ‘None of your fucking business’.

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    Biased Broadcasting Corporation says:

    They gave the number of British dead, but also the number of Argentinians dead in the same sentence, and omitted to say that they started it.

  209. 209
    Biased Broadcasting Corporation says:

    Because the British Government doesn’t want the people to know that it’s just another case of it doing what Brussels demands?

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    Ava Siggar says:

    Surely that’s just in Tower Hamlets ?

  212. 212
    Vacant Possesssion says:

    With me, I hope! The only difference would be they’d work and be cost effective. Nah, it’ll go abroad, perhaps to a part brit owned company like Tech Mahindra in Mumbai, with an endless huge rolling support contract because the systems don’t work. Been there, seen it.

    Amazingly they call it ‘insourcing'; Chutzpah!

  213. 213
    Anonymous says:

    meetings and calls over Easter with Candidate campaign underway by 23rd.
    someone needs to stand up while we still have a Country and Party left.

  214. 214
    Rt. Hon. Michael Gove MP says:

    I would just like to reassure you that my own emails will remain private.

  215. 215
    Hannibal from Carthage says:

    Is this not like the Heathrow runway revisited?

    Whatever a politician says in opposition expect the reverse.

  216. 216
    Jimmy says:

    So when Bumface came out with all that “civil liberties” schtick in the election you believed him?

    You people are so sweet sometimes.

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    It will be enforced data storage and retrieval on demand.

    Just keep telling yourself that it will be all right though, everything will be all right, the struggle will be finished. We will win the victory over ourselves. We love Big Brother, and it’s all done to keep “us” safe.

    Now take your state approved tablets, get on your knees to the state approved religion of your choice and meet the new state approved boss-same as the old state approved boss.

  218. 218
    Jane Birkin from Paris says:

    Yes and Tessie May’s e mails are hiding her fucking boobs which have cost the taxpayer a pretty penny I tell you.

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    Anonymouse – you are a thick, facist fuckwit. You just want everyone, other than you, to be Epsilons to your Alpha.

    Why don’t you piss off to North Korea and find out what it is like to live in a totalitarian society – and stay there anyway.


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    Handycock No1 Trougher in Parliament says:

    You have to realise we politicians have enormous responsibilities, that is why this snooping law is being brought in. When you are in power, you do not want the public ridiculing your policies, morals and sex life etc on blogs like this, it all makes you look stupid and is likely to get you thrown out at the next elections. This new law will put a stop to it and all the ridicule we have to put up with, just look at me for example. All in all the law is for the good of us politicians, f*ck you lot. Boaz.

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    Eric Joyce (Teen Fondler) says:

    I could not agree more with you Handy. I also have been a victim of persecution and ridicule on these blogs. They are not treating we politicians with the dignity and respect we deserve. Look what I have just found on the internet about you, disgraceful.


    The sooner we bring in this snooping law the better.

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    Anonymous says:

    Don’t forget Pretty-boy Dave did say that he was the heir of B’Liar, nay even boasted it, so will you young laddies finally get it through your heads you were fore warned.

  223. 223
    Handycock No1 Trougher in Parliament says:

    Thanks Eric here is more defamatory blogging about me. I really cannot understand it. Boaz.


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    Anonymous says:

    In that case, they would be in breach of the Data Protection Act, and could be subject to a long time in the nick, but as far as I know no one has been sent down for a lot of the major breaches in the past, maybe only the little people get sent down

  225. 225
    Anonymous says:

    RAPE, British governments through the years have always tried to control the general population, they want control while bleating democracy and freedom, that goes for every hue of politician and government.

  226. 226
    Anonymous says:

    Dave maybe clockwork but it is starting to seem that the main spring is broken

  227. 227
    Axe The Telly Tax says:

    Just use russian proxy servers and encrypt your data/emails and use truecrypt to encrypt your hard drives :-)

  228. 228
    Axe The Telly Tax says:

    Just use rus-sian proxy servers and encrypt your data/em-ails and use truecrypt to encrypt your hard drives

  229. 229
    Axe The Telly Tax says:

    Just use r u s s i a n p r o x y s e r v e r s and encrypt your d a t a/e m a i l s and use truecrypt to encrypt your h a r d d r i v e s

  230. 230
    coffindodga says:

    checkout this site,regards flights across europe.


  231. 231
    Durr... says:

    How many billions were wasted by Labour on this crap? Do “politicians” ever realise how much money they waste. Bugger off Theresa May and Nick Clegg. (and yes I think government spies already get this info. illegally now).

  232. 232
    jrand says:

    Exactly the French are having the same debate. The biometrics industry sees a huge money making opportunity, talks to civil servants who whisper in Cameron’s ear and hey presto we are all biometricated as demanded by Brussels. http://bit.ly/Hd1y3D

  233. 233
    Axe The Telly Tax says:

    Never heard of encryption both of your outgoing and incoming data and of your disk drive. AES 256 bits,truecrypt etc. :-)

  234. 234
    Axe The Telly Tax says:

    Never heard of encryption both of your outgoing and incoming data and of your disk dri-ve. AES 256 bits,truecrypt etc.

  235. 235
    Lord Cashcrofter says:

    I agree .
    Google Street View is threatening to cover Belize !!

  236. 236
    inside- out says:

    They don’t say,because they are scared that general public,the ones that watch Eastenders,and Britains got Talent might finally realise that we are ruled by the EU. That a foreign power runs their lives, and do something about it.I.E. a Revolution.

  237. 237
    Octavius Caesar says:

    I’ll still repel you Hannibal …. even if your elephants manage to breach my Alps they will NEVER end up being elephants in my ROOM !!

    ( What would Portia say ).

  238. 238
    misterned says:

    I was appalled that they even interviewed the Argies at all. Who the fuck cares what the evil instigators and losers of that conflict think.

    I am disgusted that we needed to go to war, but I am delighted and proud that we won it! We should remember and give thanks to OUR dead and celebrate what they gave their lives for. Defending British Territory from an evil dictator.

  239. 239
    misterned says:

    “He’s already rejoiced in Mr Muamba’s death and told people to suck a w*gs aid.s ridden cock and that he’s stamp their face in etc etc”

    So what? Whatever happened to “I will fight to the death to defend another man’s right to free speech and opinion, even if I find those opinions disgusting”

    If HE is not allowed his free speech and opinions, no matter how distasteful and sick, then nobody is! How would you like to be imprisoned for a month for writing what you have just written, Show Biz for ugly people?

    I honestly do not give a shit what a drunk student wrote on Twitter, he does NOT deserve to go to prison for it!

  240. 240
    misterned says:

    So what happened to the ID card scheme Jimmy? and the national identity register? and the children’s database?

    I will give you an easy clue. The coalition government, good to their word, scrapped them!

    Now they are being forced to implement an EU directive that runs counter to their own alleged (and demonstrated) libertarian tendencies.

    We shall see if the coalition cave in to the EU or if they live up to their libertarian principles.

  241. 241
    TomTom says:

    Have the FBI and NSA finally worked through all the Emails they intercepted before 9/11 ? They had a bit of a data overload/core dump problem especially as it was the Arabic that proved a bit hard.

    Still, didn’t GCHQ save money like BBC at Caterham by outsourcing Arabic translation work to North Africa ?

    Nothing better for Amateurs than to propose a bigger data grab. Will they be introducing passport checks on Eurostar after they have logged all the Emails, or before ?

    I think Cameron should definitely have his room bugged by MI5 if only to find out if anyone else can hear the strange voices in his head. On the other hand….SPAM, SPAM, VIAGRA

  242. 242

    Big Brother is a Tory Nerd:

  243. 243
    old git says:

    The times they are a changing

    Come all the electorate throughout the UK
    It’s time to ignore what the LIBLABCON say
    Lets face it these parties have all had their day
    Our politics need rearranging
    So go out and vote UKIP lets sweep them away
    For the times they are a changing

    Not one of them listens to our point of view
    They’d sooner give our cash to the EU
    So lets kick them out and try something new
    We can’t afford this lot remaining
    Political rethink is long overdue
    For the times they are a changing

    They lied about Lisbon and promised a vote
    There all Europhiles and in the same boat
    Their treachery just bring a lump to my throat
    As each other they just keep blaming
    So send them a message and let them take note
    That the times they are a changing

    We will no longer tolerate lies being told
    Tax breaks for the rich but more tax for the old
    Ruled from the EU and our birthrights sold
    They ignore us when we are complaining
    If we all vote UKIP there out in the cold
    For the times they all need changing

  244. 244

    David doesn’t want to monitor your phone calls, e-mail or web site visits. The state can already do that.

    What he wants to do is extend that to online telephony (like Skype) and games.

    Meanwhile, Dave is getting his own personal Angry Birds: Special Edition: http://bit.ly/HHfRJU

  245. 245
    alexsandr says:

    just spend time each day googling dodgy stuff. give them something to do.

    and i will say al queada, paedophine and explosive just to bugger up their logging

  246. 246
    alexsandr says:

    send emails to pressoffice@gchq.gsi.gov.uk to complain too. GCHQ would love being spammed!

  247. 247
    Jimmy says:

    You must be thrilled with the new secret evidence proposals.

  248. 248
    Benny the Ball says:


  249. 249
    Proxy Foxy says:

    How does that help? On-the-fly encryptions only helps if they have remote access to your hard disk. Different problem altogether.

    A secure VPN is already encrypted both ways.

    If the VPN provider discloses its logs (like hidemyass.com just did) the spooks can easily tell what you were connecting to and when. OTFE does nothing.

  250. 250
    Benny the Ball says:

    We are the Dead.

  251. 251
    Benny the Ball says:

    More T D M

  252. 252
    Benny the Ball says:

    We are the Dead

  253. 253
    Jess The Dog says:

    Fine by me.

    As long as we can likewise record every communication from minsters and MPs, to be retained and published on public demand.

    We know who the real liars, wrongdoers and crooks are. And Dave is on the top of the stinking pile.

  254. 254
    Bluebottle says:

    Google street view does not seem to be working tonight when I try and look at 10 Downing Street.

    Has anyone else been having this problem?

  255. 255
    Quantrill says:

    So who thought the Stasi were a thing of the past?

  256. 256
    Quantrill says:


    Quite so but News Int were spying on the rich and famous. That’s why we have had months of foaming at the mouth by Holier than thou commentators only to be followed as you rightly say by a so-called government (unelected) attempting to do the same to every single citizen of this pox ridden country. (EU directive or not the result will be the same).

  257. 257
    Lone Ranger says:

    How many BBsee documentaries have we had to endure where they are constantly telling us how the wicked TR used its citizens to spy on each other?

  258. 258
    Mi8 and a half.. licenced to laugh says:

    thin edge of the wedge …this isn’t a police state…yet

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