Tory Chief Whip Calls For Gay Marriage Free Vote
Speaking at a rally of right-wingers in Parliament yesterday, Tory Chief Whip Patrick McLoughlin, a man who has never really said anything on the record, ever, gave an intriguing nudge about gay marriage. In his speech to The Young Britons’ Foundation he declared that any vote on potential legislation should be a free vote. Given the stick he has carried when dealing with other contentious issues that his backbenchers don’t like, this could diffuse a mighty row.
…anything to generate funds for the Church of England
The Church, the most oppressive war mongering self serving regime ever.
Ahem…
er… yeah, sorry Tony – credit where credit’s due…
A lot of weddings planned by both Parties Then??
Seems thechurch is Allowed to operate in tax_free environment whilst spending money on political advocacy and inserting unelected sky pixie worshippers in the HoL, with the full approval of people like Guido.
Correct.
Rather that than being run by a cabal of buggers.
We’re now in an Orwellian world where the definition of words are being changed to appease a shrill minority.
Quite so anon.
The SS had a lot of homosexuals in its ranks, wonder its where these fu-kers get their Police State Jack Boot Idea’s?
Good point. I can’t remember having the opportunity of voting for or against a theocracy. Still I suppose a bit of sanctimonious gay bashing is easier than getting the better of people like Dawkins, and anything to do with sex has always made the ears of the church perk up.
Is it 50% or 70% Closet homosexuals in the house???
As my Irish friend says; if the most conservative country in Europe can have the most thriving gay community then why not? Shame the Irish gay community is otherwise known as the Catholic Church.
Answers please Guido
“De-fuse”, not “diffuse”.
almost makes sense: Instead of making the danger go away, it just spreads it round until you can’t detect it. A bit like what happens to a fart.
Edinburgh University isn’t what it used to be.
You mean “defuse”.
Dat’s right.
In fairness, the reason he has never said anything on the record, is that he has never actually thought anything.
Raised a smile. Probably true of a lot of the inmates.
Patrick is like me, never says anything on the record because if you do, you are just exposed as being ridiculously uneducated, incompetent and a liar. Here is a good example, please don’t read the comments underneath:
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/health/local-health/health-bill-lobbying-by-mp-1-3615728
Boaz.
livingscum is on LBC talking shite as usual
Ken doesn’t really “talk” as such, surely? It’s more a case of partly opening his mouth in order to emit a nasally, annoying whine.
He did explain his tax position.
“I COULD have paid an extra £50,000 in tax, yes. But I chose to spend the money on employing two people. Is that so wrong?”
Its only wrong in that you demand others don’t do that, and instead pay the tax.
its the hypocrisy Ken.
That’s what does the socialists in.
The hypocrisy.
Ken has about as much credibility as a wikipedia climate change article or lib dem bar chart.
Yeah Its Changed from Global Warming ( Tax Generating Scam, so Pals of ours can build a few Windmills on their Land and pay themselves for NOT producing Electricity, Some real business can pick up the TAX Burden))
OH SHIT THEY ARE CLOSING. Our Scam is fu-ked
I believe that any homosexual couple should be allowed, in law, to marry in a church. Any religious objections to this are utterly wrong, antiquated, homophobic and illegal.
I also feel that mosques should be exempt, because that religion is progressive, tolerant, inclusive and cuddly.
Errm… they’re not making it so that you can marry in any church. Only in churches that want to allow it.
Hmmm… We may have misjudged this chap…
Camoron, so you don’t believe in freedom of choice then? Why stop at a church? What about a mosque? In fact, what about your bedroom?
Nobody has to join a church. It is a collection of individuals who choose to worship together. If you don’t like what they believe, don’t go.
Once you start forcing other people to do things they don’t want to, before too long somebody will force you. If you declare Christain beliefs to be illegal because you disagree with them how long will it be before somebody declares your opinions illegal?
Forgot to mention we do not have gays in Wales
What about Ron Davies -famed for his “moment of madness” on Clapham Common?
‘s’ok if you don’t DO it in Wales.
Was that in LLaphym Cymmyn in Rhyll?
They do in my village!
But only the one.
You just bugger sheep…
Nothing wrong with sheep if they are pretty, a long way round to kiss ‘em though…..
yes but we don’t have gay sheep, anyway shirtlifting was invented in londonstan
My long term lover Cupid and I are looking to marry if the law will allow. The only question she has is whether to keep her sir name ‘Stunt’ or not.
You just have to admire The Church’s stance on Gay Marriage.
The fierce opposition from all faiths who promote “God made us all equal”.
And yet what is the Church best known for…… yes you guessed it Kiddy Fiddling !
If you want peace in the world, get rid of religon and all these phucked up n onces that promote it !
Yeah, that sort of approach worked wonders in Soviet Russia, China, Cambodia, Cuba etc. And I’m sure you are just filled with pride at the ongoing success story that is North Korea…As for your assertion about what the “church is best known for”, that might be your daft opinion, but 99.999999% of its adherents would beg to differ. Did it ever occur to you that such people joined precisely because if the “access” they knew it would give them to pursue their perverse desires…? Remember the “LittleTeds” nursery and other similar nauseating cases? What did any of those have to do with “the church” then…? Absolutely zero. That’s the problem with people that infiltrate organisations for their own ends – and that’s certainly not limited to this and the church, it’s the way people are unfortunately. What certain sections of “the church” within some denominations has certainly been guilty of is not sorting it out and trying to cover stuff up, which is a disgrace. Not that any of this will temper your desire to Christian bash of course…
how about enforcing no contraception rules in countries facing horrific levels of Aids infections?
or excommunicating doctors for performing an abortion on an 11 year old girl raped by a family member but not excommunicating the rapist?
You make some valid Christian points, however I wasnt referring to just Christians I was referring to the whole aspect of religion.
I accept your point about people infiltrating organisations. owever the biggest Kiddy scandal ever was that connected to the Church.
Let’s face it, these clergy boys just cant surpress natures desires, it’s unnatural, more unnatural than being gay.
An remember all wars were created by religion, and all kiddy predators re connected to the church.
you know what. its actually one of the best parts of religion. Telling us to do unnatural things.
Humans wouldn’t really be able to live together in the numbers we see today if we did all the things that naturally take our fancy.
There are ‘right-wingers’ in Parliament? Could have fooled me, given that we are still imprisoned in the European Union, still favouring comprehensive education over grammar schools, still refusing to genuinely punish criminals, trampling over liberty whenever it suits, etc. etc. Give it up, already.
Perhaps he sees a redhuffle coming.He may just be looking for some non dave friends.
Gweedo, are you and your fellow god botherers in any way troubled by the way in which sky pixie worshipping organisations are allowed to operate in a tax free environment whilst spending money on political advocacy and placing unelected troughers in the HoL?
No. I want us all to operate in a tax-free environment.
No taxes at all?
About as likely as a virgin birth or crisps and wine being transmutated into blood and flesh because some celibate guy in a frock inserts them into your mouth.
Are you capable of entering into a reasonable levels of debate/discussion without resorting to inane phrases like “god botherers” and “sky pixies”? What exactly is the latter (apart from your own and fellow militant atheists’ silly attempts to define “god” by mockery?)) and how does one “bother” an entity you clearly don’t believe exists?
Yes, this place is teeming with reasonable levels of debate and discussion.
Hope you get your knickers in a twist at every ad hom or inane insult that goes on here, you must be pretty busy policing everyone’s comments.
Would have thought it was obvious but the term God botherer means bothering other people with your archaic outmoded religiosity.
To which the correct inane insult from yourself or the thought police who want to curb freedom of speech/religion (in the laughably deluded belief we’d leap into utopia) would therefore surely be “narrow-minded atheist botherer” wouldn’t it?
did I miss the bit where I expressed a desire to curb freedom of speech / religion?
wtf are you on about?
I want freedom from religion impacting on my life, you’re free to believe in what ever sky pixie you want to and more power to you.
what ever it takes to get you through the night.
That sky pixie has this weird name of Allah and he decreed that homos should be stoned.
Its probably not possible to have a debate about faith, unless you expect someone to end up with a different faith at the end of it.
Of all the things that need fixing, that require Parliamentary time & debate, this is the priority for our democracy?
The Government led by Dave Cameron is spending more than Brown.
The Government led by Dave Cameron has increased taxes to an all time high.
The Government under David Cameron has achieved record imm_igration.
The Government under Dave Cameron is carrying on Labour policies to the letter.
And he is currently in the USA refusing to meet any Republicans.
When will the Party wake up?
Vote U_K_I_P
Is he actually refusing to meet any Republicans?
Do any of them want to meet him?
Who is this David Cameron? And why would we want to meet a British socialist pinko anyway?
I’ll tell you, but only if you’ve got a big enough plane.
A rally of Tory right-wingers?
O how the irony there lingers
Out of today’s hot Conservative lot
How many swing to the left of Pol Pot?
Quite right. Keep homosexuality out of marriage, and between priests and choirboys where it belongs.
Be careful what you wish for. Twinkie may want half your assets when he decides that being married to a silly old duffer 30 years his senior is not so appealling after all.
Not just half darling. My career plan is to keep marrying a succession of the old kweers and inherit the whole lot each time.
Oh dear Guido
“””Nothing will get in the way of the Government legalising gay marriage”””, Home Office minister Lynne Featherstone has insisted today.
What are you implying in your thread…
*Tory Chief Whip Patrick McLoughlin, a man who has never really said anything on the record, ever,* This means he is a fence sitting waster, who does and says nothing, just picks up the salary and expenses each month.
Free vote will not happen, either way this issue will cause harm to Call Me Dave. A free vote will see 99% Tories vote against…Oh dear
There is a cunning strategy here.
Get a favourable headline in the Guardian.
“Dave not as anti Gay as we thought”
Ok so he loses 1,000,000 Christian and shires Tory votes. But he gains
the 100,000 Guardian lefty wimps, along with many Limp Dems and that will give Cameron a left of centre majority, of ..erm..wait a mo…erm…not sure we’ve properly thought this through ..
Will he go a step further and make it compulsory? let’s face it, at the end of the day a votes a vote.
Now you are just kidding yourself
I thought tories were in favour of small government, individual freedom, stable societies, so surely they will vote in favour of legal *civil* same sex marriage?
I suppose that heterosexual people will just have to invent a new name for marriage, like say, “Qwertyage” so as to distinguish themselves from homosexual married couples.
Poor Conservative Blogger Guido – it’s all going pear shaped isn’t it.
I nearly fell off the sofa watching Newsnight last night when Frazer ( The elephant man slurp slurp ) Nelson declared “In the 2008 US election Cameron was rooting for Obama to win the presidency”….LOL
Given that the only other option was McCain and Palin, what would you have done?
errrrrrrrr….The entire Tory Party, including Dave, CAME OUT FOR McCAIN.
Also Gideon did his internship for GW Bush during the election of 1998…look it up.
Tories and Neo Con nuts in the US are soul mates
You do realise that when you use Gideon you give your many trolling monikers away? Only you use Gideon. And you love it so, you can’t resist.
But it breaks the camouflage and gives you away.
You have to wean yourself off using key words, however proud of them you are. Like you did with ‘comb-over’ Cameron. You hardly use that at all anymore.
Mccain always had a chip on his shoulder but Michael Palin wouldn’t have been so bad.
mardell….you clearly no NOTHING. McCain spoke at Tory party conference in 2006
“Know” dear, not “no”.
Such a shame that you are too under educated to realise that your own socialist demigods deliberately sabotaged your education.
May I suggest an adult literacy course? They are free to unemployable wretches such as yourself.
no NOTHING.
Tee hee.
Seen this stuff about Palin thinking that the queen ran britain?
Thats supposed to be a terrible slur, but I wonder whether anyone who liked her would either care, or spot the error.
What is it about powerful female politicans that always get the sexist bedwetters all a tingle?
Can you honestly say you understand everything about the US Constitution and its machinations? No, you clearly do not – but that is ok.
So why attack a very consciencious, dedicated and succesful female public servant from a different country for not knowing the minutia of the UK political scene and process?
I think you are being unfair – but as seen previously where powerful women are concerned you are a bit of a knob end.
what happens when a gay man marries a gay woman?
Not a lot.
“The young homosexual groom
Took his Lesbian bride to their room.
They argued all night,
As to who had the right,
To do what, and with what, and to whom.”
Not a lot.
You may well think nothing. I couldn’t possibly comment.
A disaster. Who’s idea was that? She was some sort of bigotted woman. She used to vote Labour.
I’m a lesbian trapped in the body of a man.
‘diffuse a mighty row.’ should be ‘defuse’ . . .
It’s had five minutes. It should be clear by now.
My religion says men can have several wives. Will gays be allowed to marry more than one partner as well?
Get yourself a hat and a rock, and find out.
But Ian Dale Married a man and so did Elton John.
It’s just as well the Eagle sisters are lezzers though.
We are for Gay marriage unless we find more people are against it in which case we will be against it. Or we’ll wait and see what the coalition is doing and then just do the opposite. What’s the Union position on union? We have to think of that as well. What would Tony do? I won’t ask Gordon (he’s at a speaking engagement at a primary school in Bhuttan anyway).
Gosh it’s so tricky deciding on policy.
That’s why we don’t bother doing it.
Remember that blank piece of paper.
Well..we filed in the date.
I am deeply in love with my pet goat. Should we get engaged now, or wait until the new marriage legislation is passed?
Off Topic – Granted Assad isn’t a nice cuddly dictator we like but an evil one.
But how is the gutter dwelling Graun still considering itself ‘morally superior’ to the old NOTW when it’s lead story is based on hacked private communications? Why isn’t Lord Leveson investigating this flagrant abuse of privacy? If you use stolen hacked material your really no better than the hackers are you. Graun to world..pot kettle here colour check!
My hubby loves the sound of a screeching, hypocritical, harpy in the morning.
Just as well, eh?
Mine is a complete pain in the arrse
I feel extremely relaxed.
I promise to be gentle
I have a question or two…
Was/is my penis (apart from pissing with) ment for inserting into an arsehole?
Is any arsehole animal or otherwise fair game?
If so, then why would I need to?
And if I did what would it biologically achieve?
Or is it a pointlessly fun thing to do like picking your nose or farting in the bath?
Its all a mystery to me….what is all the fuss about?
Taxfodder – Do you ever stick your penis into a lady’s mouth? If so, why do you need to?
at least the penis is not covered in faeces
To get a few minutes peace and quiet
If you saw Mrs Taxfodder you would not want too….
A lorra Gays on here, innit!………..Judgin’ by the adverse comments on the Church…….. But what the HELL! That’s the Militant Gays’ target! THEY WANT TO HAVE THE ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO CHURCH WEDDINGS!
So what! You might say……….
Well that right is not accorded to Heteros who want to marry!
And therein lies the problem with the Militant Gay Tendency………. THEY want preference over the rest of us!
Why’s my Tone been modded?
If you wrote unreasonable bollocks like everybody who comments on this blog you would not have these problems, get in the zone ffs.
Pity McCloughlin wasn’t yelling ‘free vote’ when the EU referendum was up for discussion. Useless twat.
It’s funny how so many of the people who are anti-marriage are pro gay marriage.
They can stick it up their arse.