Joan McAlpine Calls on Salmond to End Marriage
Joan McAlpine is a former editor of the Sunday Times Scotland turned MSP. She’s also his Parliamentary liaison officer. Today she has a new column in the Daily Record. The analogy used in her first outing has upset a lot of people:
The union between Scotland and England is a bit like the marriage of a talented, well-educated girl with good prospects and her own income, to a domineering man. She could easily stand on her own two feet thanks to a fortunate inheritance… But the husband complains she can’t be trusted to manage her own money. She would squander it. Anyway, it isn’t really hers, it belongs to both of them… Eventually she recognises the relationship for what it is – an abuse of power.
Concluding:
Scotland is as capable of running her own finances as England. Just as women are as capable as men. In fact, we could do a lot better.
Given that the Nats lost an MSP this weekend after his track record of wife-beating emerged, this is strong stuff from “Scotland’s Independent Woman”. What did she have to do to earn such a grand title?
Is this a vince cable story?
She is right though.
er… the ‘Independant woman’ chose marriage to the ‘domineering man’ a couple of centuries ago (though the peasants weren’t consulted, to be fair).
Now she wants a divorce and a very generous settlement.
Wimmin, huh? All the same…
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Isn’t it time this ridiculous modding was revised?
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Enjoying our petty power, are we?
‘petty power’ – ‘petit pois’
Very good!
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You’ll just have to go pheasant-shooting instead. Toodle pip !
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It’s a cunning Machiavellian scheme, it has been noted by the authorities that pissed-off pe*ple (avoids land mine) tend to post a lot more.
As so often, avoiding one land mine causes you to step on another.
… and that is precisely why a gentleman always lets the lady go first…
To what danger does one refer?
Talentless jock whines about the English shock!
It’s soooo unfairrrrr ya ken, the English have stolen our grand inheritance and not a penny piece was seen in scotchland ever again, aww noo.
Regarding the programme now being screened, I hope you are all aware how brilliantly, fantastically, and neatly we skipped over the (allegedly) terrible deficiencies in large part caused by our Glorious and Beloved Leader in relation to QinetiQ (yes we realise it’s a stupid name too!), the helicopters, vehicles, and anything else he had the remotest part in obtaining, supplying, or maintaining.
That is all.
AND PAY YOUR TELLY TAX!!
He says
It is Britishirish people who have leeched off Britishbritish people.
I am offended by her sexist remarks.
Funny that the jock mongs didn’t seem to want independence until north sea oil came along.
Personally I’d get rid of them mine the border put up searchlights and keep the fuckers out.
Seen Doomsday?
Music to my ears more please
Your ignorance has doubtless been caused by you mummy and daddy being siblings. Now back to licking those windows fuckwit.
Glad you got through that without a spelling mistake
No she is not.
There has been no evidence for any scottish competency in matters economic since the Darien scheme which led to the Act of Union as England bailed out Scotland.
Scotland is the profligate wife who spends on the family credit card (socialism and benefits) while drinking at home(Bucky). Meanwhile the husband (England) works long hours in the city.
Gordon Brown is/was the most economically illiterate Chancellor we have had since WW2. He exemplifies everything that is wrong with scottish economic management. He is the creator of the Big Brown Mess.
He has never explained those gold sales. Who benefited?
An independent Scotland will be another Greece that is why if a break comes it must be a complete break.
+1
Meanwhile the husband (England) works long hours in the city.
That is in the city that has more spent on it than average
What she did to earn her Title?….easy told it like it is.
Lets face it UK political Parties and Govenments over the last 60 years are not exactly covered in glory when it comes to managing finances.
Waste, Incompetence, Greed and Stupidity yes they even sold the family silver at a knock down price to save their own skins when it suited.
Scotland could do no worse in any case its a done job!
Whitehall departments have spent £1.4 billion in an attempt to save £159 million by sharing “back-office’’ functions such as personnel and procurement.
Private sector firms typically cut a fifth off their annual spend within five years using similar methods, the National Audit Office said.
I rest my case…
No , someone thinks Scotland is in a marriage like Paul Macartney used to have
she is right, it is a abusive relationship, scots whinge and stamp feet and the English pay.
The finances are shared!
The English earn, the Scots spend it.
It more like the English need a divorce from the ideologically warped and deluded wife that has bitched and moaned over everything we’ve tried to do for her, saying if only she were on her own she would do better. Last year she tried to run away with a European, only to realise that he was feckless and broke, now we know we want rid of her.
Separation is inevitable and it will be the English who will end up paying the bill as normal.
The finances are shared!
The English earn, the Londoners and NortheriIrish spend it.
FIFY
MPs who lose elections will be entitled to “golden goodbye” payments of more than £30,000 under current reforms to parliamentary expenses.
Correction! you vote, you earn THEY take they squander…..
All in it together…
If was a marriage with the scots as the bride, then she turned up at for wedding, cold and hungry (famine on the go) with a massive debt (see Darien scheme).
This woman has form though, if you’re not for independence then “you’re anti-scottish”
Oh dear, Darien, bankrupt Scotland ….. its a pity its just a load of total pish you buy into ….. The Tory supporters in Scotland were the ones who were bankrupt – a bit like the current Tory Party in Scotland. Westminster could not have their Scottish Tory Lardy pals having their estates handed over to the Scottish middle class who had loads o’ money – just what might that mean to the House of Lards owing a fortune to England’s middle classes, French revolution getting on for 75 years early in prospect so the English Elite did what they always do, run up a massive debt to buy off the people they needed to do a jockanese ‘Jim’ll fix it’ for them.
GERS 200-10
Scottish GDP £145 billion
Tax take 9.4% from 8.4% of population
Scottish input to trade deficit £40 billion (half of the total according to fatty Soames in Hansard)
Scottish pocket money before Westminster deductions £30 billion (20% of Scottish GDP)
NAO UK Government spending per capita 2009-10 (neareat £100):
NI £12,500
London and SE £11,400
Scotland £9,400
Wales £9,300
NE, NW and SW England £9,200.
Seems Westminster are happiest looking after themselves.
Whereas Northern Ireland is a corpulent and ungrateful mistress.
If Scotland is capable of running it’s own finances, how come English taxpayers had to bail out bankrupt RBS?
Sssshhhh….
Don’t forget HBOS as well.
Dont forget that doggy building society which had to be bailed out.
John the Bastard
Scottish PM and chancellor bail out Scottish banks with English money and that coffin robber fat c’unt Salmond wants more.
Scottish liability in UK bank bailout £8.8 billion, Scottish GDP in 2009-10, £145 billion. What part of you are talking total economic garbage, are you just not getting?
The problems were all in the City of London, in the English registered arms of Natwest and RBOS. Under international banking agreements the losses in the City of London are English losses as they are not regulated by Scots Law but English Law.
A small but fine legal point all you stupid people fail to understand.
Apparently if Scotland withdraws from the Union Treaty in international law as Scotland came into the agreement debt free then they can leave debt free – its what Canada, Austrailia, New Zealand, Eire all did when they left Westminster’s gaping maw behind.
Canada, Australia, NZ, SA etc were all Dominions – self ruling colonies. They were not in a Union as Scotland is with England.
So any debts run up by the United Kingdom (England, Scotland, Wales, NI) are nothing to do with Scotland? This idea that Scotland can take its share of the UK assets but not its liabilities seems to be one big assumption on the part of the Nationalists.
Happy days if that’s the scotch argument.
Foreign banks in the city are regulated by FSA. Are we liable for their debts too? The oil was regulated under English law so you won’t mind us having that.
Would that be RBS which rescued National Westminster?
HBOS rescued Halifax and Bradford and Bingley which is why they also needed rescuing.
I feel justified now (with my choice of Monika)
There is no such thing as English taxpayers you dumb fuck, they ceased to exist in 1707 when you raided the Scottish treasury to pay your war debts. We will shortly redress the balance now fuckawayof.
Because most of the RBS debt is held in England, and England is liable for it.
When Scotland gets independence we’ll understand why Edinburgh is called the Athens of the North.
Yes, it lost its marbles long ago.
should that be mentioned… residing as they do in London, having been nicked.
Off topic but they weren’t nicked. They were purchased from the sovereign authority in Greece at the time. The Turks – which probably winds the Greeks up no end
The British museum has a receipt
We quite agree
The Scotch are quite capable of running their own affairs
Especially RBS and HBOS
If the Scotch could kindly fuck off and take their debts and Socialists and criminal Labour Party with them we would be immensely relieved
+1
Problem is UKIP who think we should all be in this together!
Problem is UKIP? No, no, it woz Fatchers Foulte.
Some outstanding examples of Scottish financial management to support the claims for the claim for independence.
Darien adventure
Royal Bank of Scotland
HBOS
Gordon Brown gold seller
Edinburgh Parliament building
Edinburgh Tram system
You forgot to add Rangers.
1986 World Cup team
Are they not still wandering around South America bemoaning their fate? We could have won it if there had’na been any actual games. The bloody English!!!
The H in HBOS is for Halifax though there is no mention of Bradford and Bingley
Who oversaw these banks the FSA based where? Where also was the corporation tax paid and who benefited, Holyrood or Westminster?
As yet no one has benefited much so far as I can see. Consider now the effect of strng management at Northern Rock. Even I can see a benefit here in giving proper bonuses.
Always the Scotch whinge about the union. The English deserve independence from the Scots too.
As a first step why not give Scotland full fiscal independence?
And can we have independence from Scotland before 2014 please.
What did she do to earn such a title Guido?
I think she got divorced!
Divorce her.
“England is as capable of running her own finances as Scotland. Just as men are as are capable as woman. In fact we could do a lot better.”
At last a woman who talks sense.
That’ll be a first then.
As usual, reverse the sexes and/or races and what do you get? Sexist, racist shite as merrily denounced by the Left.
It’s the ENGLISH who should have a referendum on the future of the Union.
+1
Anyone know if Spelman has business interests in Brazil?
I am wondering why we are giving them millions in aid when they have just overtaken the UK as the worlds 6th largest economy.
Any farming / rainforest connection?
We’re giving everyone who hates us or has an axe to grind against whitey billions, so Dave & Co can look good among their one world government chums.
I have interests in Brazilian beef.
PMT is waiting in the wings.
You Highland Rogue, you…
What a load of garbage that article is, last time I looked it was a gaggle of brainless Scotsmen led by the one eyed son of the manse that totally fucked up Englands economy.
Yes, as John Law did with the French economy.
But the City, Westminster and the electorate generally willed on both Brown and his predecessors
The electorate?
Excuse me, how many times did the worthless cnut Brown offer himself for approval of the electorate? Last time I counted McBust stood once and lost.
I’d say there was still a fair degree of love for (and still is) the “making houses less affordable = wealth” idiocy.
We’re not finished yet, by the time we go you will be eating shit and living under flyovers.
Of course they have to bring sexism into this – horrible English malles dominating virgin Scotch females…
Why not w a c i s m at the same time? (as Empty Ed would say)
The w a c i s t argument in Scotchland is complicated by the fact that they are deeply divided within themselves betwenn the Celtic Highlanders and the Anglo-Saxon Lowlanders
Hence the regular outbreaks for over a century after foootie matches…
The level of the debate has sunk below the gutter…
My husband has corrected me
“During footie matches”..FFS
Even lower, it has sunk to Edinburgh
This analogy is false.
The union occurred because Scotland was bust. So in fact its like a woman marrying a man for his money (Or vice Versa) and then deciding that he/she is now rich enough to stand alone.
If this happened in a real marriage you might call the partner who pulled out ungrateful, selfish or deluded but you would not say they were as financially capable as the person who saved them financially in the firstplace!
Angry,
I just posted your comment (more or less) to the Record at the bottom of this person’s blog. Don’t suppose it will get a reply though.
The Union occured because The English wanted it, indeed demanded it. How do you explain that?
More likely to get some return from the money that way than just leaving the Scots unsupervised to waste it on another Darien.
It is now called Northern Ireland
‘Demanded it’? Surely the proud victors of Bannockburn (see Mel Gibson video for prologue) would not give in to such demands.
You mean the Scots sold their fucking country because they’d ban*k*r*u*pt*ed themselves and had no choice? Do you think the Maximum Imbecile was just taking his revenge for Darien by destroying the entire UK economy?
I do. Anybody who was living and working in London, with a wife who was living and working in London but then insisted on flying her up to Fucking Scotland for the birth so that their spawn would qualify for ‘Fucking Scottish’ citizenship was surely an enemy of England and the entire UK.
Oh FFS not another boring tale from jgm2 about his time in Scotland. Seems we are well rid of you , you horrible bigoted little racist.
Darrien was used as leverage by the English to cajole Scotland into the Union, the Englsh wanted it more than the Scots . FACT.
On a final note I urge anyone not familiar with the racist bigotry regularly spewed out by jgm2 to go through his postings on this blog and ask yourself this. Do you think this nasty little man would post as he does if his identity was known? If the answer is no then you have to agree he is a vile little man.
I’m normally a bit anti – but I have to say, the sh*t with the French aside (the Protestent English were not being very nice to Catholics at that time = who has fought and died at our side more times than you can count – who has sent their best to us when WE needed help.
N, if they want FREEDOM as St Mel the pis*ed would say, then let them have it – it’s their country.
As a bonus, Labour would be f*cked in England, ‘cos they wouldn’t get enough votes to keep the deposit… win/ win.
Anyone for devolution….
Because the scots didn’t have a pot to piss in and we didn’t want to be stabbed in the back by those Hunts next time we fought the french. Freeddom for the English and fuck the celts.
‘The union between Scotland and England is a bit like the marriage of a talented, well-educated girl with good prospects and her own income, to a domineering man.’
I read that and agreed. Then I read the next bit and realised she’d got the two countries mixed up. Silly girl.
Yeah it gets confusing when the men there wear skirts.
Hoots mon.
Please Please Leave the Union. Now. Forever. Most English people want rid of you. Of your incessant whingeing. Of your subsidy junky lifestyle. Your crass arrogance. Your dominance within the Labour Party and the reason the Celtic Cabinet ruined our way of life. Go now. No more bail-outs. Your defence bill will be huge. Your welfare bill of Grecian proportions. Your financial ratings below one star. Your universities will descend in status and your students will now have to pay their way. Go now. Divorce beckons!
Much of this, if true, describes London.
…..Another socialist stronghold.
+10 my lordship
Northern Ireland is not seeking to leave the union.
Ah Culloden, that other battle surrounded by ignorance. The Truth was Culloden was fought by a British army with a large amount of Scots against a jacobite army comprised of Highland Scots, French and Irish all predominately Catholic.
Nothing to do with England V Scotland you stupid people.
I’ll say this for her, she was one of the few Journalists who got their teeth into The Purcell affair.
http://joanmcalpine.typepad.com/joan_mcalpine/2010/04/purcell-and-the-drug-barons-what-the-labour-press-officer-knew.html
No, like most women, she had an affair with Persil over the washing mashine.
I note the ScotNats think of themselves as female – I blame the kilts.
Also the sporrans.
..and not to forget the haggis (with the short legs at the front).
http://joanmcalpine.typepad.com/joan_mcalpine/2010/04/purcell-and-the-drug-barons-what-the-labour-press-officer-knew.html
The Scots have been over subsidized and over represented in the UK Parliament
where they would not even be had we not bailed them out of the Darien disaster . Then do doubt they would have joined the Euro, after which we should have had to bail them out again. I expect they will want us to help with Rangers next.
again this is London – sub Gordon’s Brown Hole for the Darien project
The Ulsterscots and London have a lot in common then
Doesn’t anyone love and respect me ?
No!
The scotch have much to teach the world
Alcoholism
Wiofe beatimg
mindless viollence
The cash should come rollin in
BTW JOCKO THE OIL AND GAS BELONG TO ENGLANDC
They are off the North Sea. Of course they are Scottish! Oh and you forgot heart disease (inc all those angioplasties and bypasses paid for by the English tax payer)
MOST OF THE OIL IS IN ENGLISH WATERS
Still no.
Most of the GAS WAS in English Waters.
And of course quite a lot of condensate in reservoirs where it goes from English to Scotch Waters.
And all the fish in the North Sea belong to the Spanish.
And spelling.
..and modern economics, anti-biotics, television…
You arrogant English tossers. Can’t wait to be shot of you.
Well please tell smoked Salmon to get his effing fingers out then and get on with it.
I wouldn’t handle Salmond’s briefs if you gave me a pair of Marigolds and a long stick.
Yes, divorce would be good. Strange world isn’t it, we get divorced and then we can stop paying spousal maintenence.
…which would save us a small fortune!
Mrs Moira Salmond ne McGlashen is 17 years older than ‘eck (He’s 57, she’s 74) Maybe that’s the reason why Ms McAlpine’s story has caused hackles to rise
Ms McAlpine formerly married to singer Pat Kane of Hue and Cry is some eight years younger than Alex Salmond. She was also on the Murdoch payroll as Scottish editor of the Sunday Times
Of course any suggestion of houghmagandie would be OTT
Wot’s this? ‘She handles Salmon’s briefs.’
No way can she ‘andle ‘em.
‘Es got so fat she needs a bleedin’ great trolley to ‘ump them tarpaulins to and from the ironing board.
Oh for the day when England becomes independent of moneygrubbing McBitch and her tartan parasites.
Don’t wish to be obnoxious, but do you know that Anders Breivik is an industrial-scale headcase?
Totally bonkers. I’ll never understand why the Norwegian police didn’t shoot the disgusting creep when they had the chance. Now he gets the chance to spout his bullshit ideas for weeks and weeks in court.Someone like that have no right to go on living.
You will still have Northern Ireland sponging sponging towards financial dependency
A highly enjoyable read, and certainly most poignant, is Hugh Trevor-Roper’s ‘The Invention of Scotland – Myth & History’.
It’s reviewed by The Telegraph in 2009 here http://tgr.ph/rZ5QmT
Trevor Roper proves how the Scottish establishment were wilfully conned by a series of, er… apparently genuine historic documents, that um… turned out to be totally fake.
Was this the same guy who vouched for the Hitler diaries ?
From Wiki
Trevor-Roper was convinced of the diaries’ authenticity, writing in the next day’s The Times that:
“I am now satisfied that the documents are authentic; that the history of their wanderings since 1945 is true; and that the standard accounts of Hitler’s writing habits, of his personality and, even, perhaps, of some public events, may in consequence have to be revised.”
To be fair, Hugh had his doubts at the last minute but the Dirty Digger gave the order for the presses to roll. V. funny episode all the same, T-R was a pompous ass.
The Irony of comment #41 was fucking delicious. Do you think jockstraped feels like a stupid c unt now. He certainly should.
Irony.
Scotland is as capable of running her own finances as England. Just as women are as capable as men. In fact, we could do a lot better.
Bye, then.
Can’t quite see her logic. Scotland is largely socialist, England tends to be more right-of-centre. With dozens of Labour MPs removed from Westminster, what remains of Britain will face many more pro-business tax cutting governments, while Scotland elects politicians who raise taxes for higher earners.
There’s only one place money and investment will end up, and it won’t be in Edinburgh.
Ssshh!
Keep it quiet or they won’t go.
Seems to me it’s England who plays the woman in this ridiculous metaphor. Let’s give it a go!
Ah, the half that gets F**cked you mean?
The Scots hate England they tell us so everytime we play anyone else in the world at sport, they love Labour. So independence would bring a neverending period of bliss with perpetual Labour and no England.
It is difficult to understand why any would not vote for it yet only about 35% inpolls say they will. Cowardice? Hypocrisy? Socialism only works when someone else pays for it? Not sure, but they won’t vote for independence they will just moan for ever.
Whereas The inglish are nothing but charitable to the Scots as can be seen by the many messages of support on this thread. Feel the love.
Mr Iron Bru or what, with your misplaced exclamation mark, do fuck off, there’s a good chap.
Ya gotta hand it to the Ump’s Namesake though, SAM, he’s been upping his game since he started having to use different “monkiers”.
Sir Aston with all due respect if you are going to be so sensitive about Grammar please note that the correct spelling is Irn Bru. I draw this to your attention so you can make the required correction and not look like an utter tit who has put the ball into his own net for longer than is necessary.
Regards.
Stop ignoring the pachyderm.
The elephant in the room is the above average spending on London and Northern Ireland which are both subsidy junkies.
Their politicians aren’t more in touch with their own people than the lot in Westminster are with us. The same can be said about the rest of the world. I sometimes wonder why these politicos seem to lose all contact with their voters once elected.
I see Harry had to cheat in his run with Usain Bolt – I wonder how Harry is coping with austerity??? and where is his dad these days???
Perhaps instead of ending the marriage, adopt the alternative version of marriage that was in the news over the weekend? So, Scotland enjoys its conjugal rights and so does England. Royally.
And Northern Ireland is the ungrateful mistress
Just imagine if Scotland got its independence and all the Scots buggered off back over the border. England’s employment problem would be solved in a trice. Think of all the football managers jobs available, MP’s jobs available (there are loads of Scots representing English constituencies but can’t think of any vice versa) and we would never again have a Labour government. Next to us having independence from Europe I can’t think of anything better to wish for. Bring it on.
The famine is over. Will there be a return to Ulster of the many protestants who had to leave owing to the famine?
The Scots can have their independence BUT they must take back all those Jock politicians, both current and retired, from Westminster and pay their salaries and pensions. That should bankrupt Scotland quickly enough.
I see the BBC are not allowing access to the Milliband phone-in, citing “copyright”. Could it possibly be that the Grauniads placemen at Broadcasting House are embarrassed by it?
That tells you all you need to know about the statist Beeb.
Short excerpts are available on the Telegraph website.
The press know all about the abuse of power. The stuck Record is no exception. Which reminds me, Brown has been invited to campaign for the Union. Wtf? The man is a joke!
Ah, clever ploy.
Brown has been asked to campaign for the Union… by the SNP.
so it’s independence then
Sotland’s Independent woman
“What did she have to do to earn such a grand title?”
Work for the paper, maybe?
Too simple. There has to be a conspiracy theory somewhere, maybe a couple of Russians as well. Nothing is as it seems unless it is.
Strange, I can’t remember there being so many programs about WEATHER on the bbc 20 years ago.
Yet now barely a day goes by without some aspect of WEATHER, be it national, international or cosmic, being aired and disscussed on one of their millions of shite channels.
I wonder if they have some sort of agenda.
Horizon tonight is about “Space Weather” – solar storms obviously caused by fusion subsidies instead of building good honest windfarms.
CO2 causes solar changes!
With a name like that she can help mix cement to rebuild Hadrians Wall!
The italian builders Hadrian had the right idea.
Er, actually, cement is a grey powdered substance which must be mixed with various aggregates, usually sand and gravel, to form CONCRETE!
What a nasty; racist, bovine, ginger, and very scottish socialist bint
She is of course right. scot land was before the 1700′s an independent sovereign country and is perfectly capable of running it’s own affairs.
Independence would also relieve us of the cost of the barnett formula not to mention the cost of mp’s like gordon brown.
My fervent hope is that the scots will vote for independence at the earliest chance possible.
Before 1700 it was bankcrupt
If it were independent it’s fiscal status would not be our problem.
but Northern Ireland remains
The Daring Duo would put Scotland on the foreign aid list.
OMG, next thing you know it’ll be jocks in space.
But if the Barnett formula was to be reviewed might there be less subsidies for the subsidy junkie that is London?
Nell stick to turnip farming as your grasp on the finer points of history leaves much to be desired.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2110900/Suicide-training-Job-Centres-Cancer-patients-scrubbing-floors-Welcome-Cameron-s-Brave-New-World.html#ixzz1oLSrv3D1
ah the wallet pick-pocket is back.
You can read this silly cow’s head like a book. This sad chic lit feminist clap trap is both shallow and misleading.
Does she wish to end the marriage and damn the wife to prostitution to be pimped by the European Union who will sell her sovereignty down the Clyde for a Euro? That is exactly where we heading if we are Independent(joke!). Mr & Mrs UK whose partnership is at times unequal will be forever chained to a Master and Slave situation with a contract to the European Union! That is where Salmond is taking us. Independence from what? We will be slaves to the EU! Pimped out by Merkozy.
The only partnerships that last are based on mutual trust, respect, equality and fairness. Democratically, England should have its own devolved parliament.That is fairness. That is equality!
Scotland should be treated fairly economically and not treated like a child who is given pocket money or as the hard bitten housewife who is given a meagre budget to manage. More fiscal powers will eradicate unfairness.
Time for a grown up debate! The union is dead long live Devolution!
Scotland should be treated fairly economically
and it should be recognised that Northern Ireland like London is a subsidy junkie
Well smack me bitch up with a deep fried mars bar!
So which is the “talented, well-educated girl with good prospects and her own income”, Scotland or England. She does not say ….
Alan Douglas
It sure as hell is not Northern Ireland
The “abused Scots wifey” is more than compensated by the overbearing Maw In Law!………… as epitomised by a former SNP Leader, who bullied her Son In Law into spending over £40m to make sure her mobile phone worked at her home!
Salmond is seeking a divorce from the union. Mrs UK will now forever be known as the Lady of the night when he hands her sovereignty over to the EU and signs the Master and Slave contract. Independence? From whom? We will never be free. Our sovereignty will be sold down by the Clyde dockyard and our freedom sold down the river for a few Euros! Dream on! McAlpine. Fool!
End an Union? For what? Independence? No! To be enslaved to Europe! Salmond insists Scotland ends one union to enter into an European Union. So Mrs UK now becomes Mrs Euro-Scot a slave to Europe’s whip. McAlpine is a silly cow with head in the clouds. Independence?
Divorce or Slavery? That is Scotlands choices if she wishes to leave Union. There will be no Independence just slavery.
I’m communing with the thpirit of Harold Wilthon.
He was correct in calling Northern Ireland thpongers
When is the Scottish MSM going to reveal that Salmon’s MSP advisor is on first name terms wíth the rear door security guard at Bute House
Quite,
The Scottish media is a pussycat. One MSP accused of wife beating (Three wives in all), the First Minister in hock to Murdoch, some dubious sources of SNP Finance, the odd Affair yet little comes out and when it does, it is quickly silenced by the reporters/newspapers being accused of being English stooges.
Of couse one of the biggest soucres of Income for the Herald, the Press and Jornal and the Scotsman is advertsing from the Scottish Government and its agencies.
Scotland is a democratic sort of place.
Alex calls eveyone by their first name, even yours truly.
Of corurse let’s bring it in on (independence I mean) and in no time, very few centuries, we’ll be hte best of neighbours.
this is great==giving an over opinionated NAT plenty of rope
The union is dead! It is an illusion. Long live devolution. It is the only reality that is seeped in truth.
Independence is an illusion. Lady Scotland will be stripped of her sovereignty and forced to bend to her Euro Master’s will for a mere pittance in return. Independence is a truth based on reality. The Scots are being treated like delusional fools!
Long live devolution and the evolution of fiscal powers to enhance Lady Scotland’s ability to pay her own way in the world. It is the only thing that is real and lasting.
Lady Scotland dearly wishes that Lord England will have his own devolved parliament, so that they are democratically equal.
so the news here is 1. jocko’s think they’re victims and 2. ugly feminists hate men. no news really
Can the Jocks join Argentina in a Syria/Egypt 1950s red-dawn type union? Presidenta Kirchner would have some more Lebensraum, also more socialist dingbats to steal pensions from and bribe, and perhaps she might leave the Falklands alone?
SNP’s track record: http://eotp.org/category/snp/
There is no Union! Fact! Just Devolution. There will never be an Independent Scotland. Fact! Scotland will either remain in a Devolved contract with the UK or co – dependent contract European Union.
Union Vs Independence. Neither exist in truth. It should be Devolution Vs European enslavement. Fact. Ffs!
The English have their rioters to be proud off! What a bunch embittered confused twats on here t’nite.
Proud off?
And here was I thinking that Scottish education was less fucked than the English variety.
Ah, well – just goes to show you can’t believe everything you read in the Daily Record…
ParAgnostic shut the fuck up, he wasnt talking about you, he was talking about the inglish you quisling Welsh twat.
Off you go for your nightly Mel Gibson video. In the meantime:
They are quite clearly Chelsea fans who hijacked the game. Or West Ham United fans. Or Millwall fans. Or if they were from Scotland theywere from Sighthill in Edinburgh though how this excuses the misbehaviour I do not know. Then again I am not a journalist.
Love it when jgm2 rides to the rescue of The Paragnostic reminds me of Broke Back Mountain.
Your title aptly describes you.
You could take the view that the bizarre modding actually highlights the stupidity of trying to suppress free speech. It’s difficult not to think of a pink elephant when someone tells you not to.
Don’t mention the pink elephant!
Or the red white and blue one that is Northern sponging Ireland
Under a foot of what Sherlock?.
Bonjour. Ven little Scotchland is In dependent on Europe. I vill replace the Salmon d for an over boiled haggis. Vill anyone not the difference? Nein! Ah Gut!
Proud of your rioters in England? Fuck off, embittered bullies
If I may…
yes- it made them feel part of Britain,like most Rangers fans like to be
I didn’t know 65% of Fucking Scotland were Rangers fans. Only 35% for independence? And wall to wall Mel Gibson Videos?
FFS. Get a grip. Have you no national pride?
> Have you no national pride?
Why would they? This is the first time metastatic cancer has asked to try to go it alone outside the body. I say give it a chance.
An excellent analogy. If this woman is content to compare the England:Fucking Scotland relationship as that of an over-bearing husband and an independently wealthy wife then I think it only right that we characterise it as a relationship between a healthy English host and the tumour of Fucking Scotland.
Chemotherapy for England! Kill the tumour.
Northern sponging Ireland has no national pride but then again it is not a country or a nation
Oh dear.
I seem to have touched a Scottish nerve.
Never mind.
I refer you to my moniker
England is no longer a proud nation. Labour has destroyed England. The English fear the worse and expect Scotland to tell them to go and do one. These attacks on the Scots are defense mechanism based on fear and in preparation for the possible humilitation the English will feel if Scotland decides to leave the Union. Further, there are some foaming at the mouth ultra conservatives on here who think Scottish independence will lead to a conservative majority in England at the next election. Wrong! Scottish support for Labour is going down. In England and Wales support for Labour is on the up! Scotland can support itself and if it chooses to go it alone England will suffer and no doubt under a Labour Government. Wake up and grow up!
“In England and Wales support for Labour is on the up!”
Unlikely, but if so it’s probably due to more Scots hastily moving down here to avoid the forthcoming SNP-led disaster.
I like to know what humiliation the English will feel if Scotland decides to leave the union, the only thing I want is a vote in any referendum Scotland has about the union, we are supposed to be equal after all, so a referendum vote is required by all countries and Principalities involved otherwise in theory a referendum wouldn’t be legal, my other thing , I believe Salmond is a snake oil salesman and freedom will become an EU “freedom”.
Won’t somebody think of the spongers?
I want to tax Mandy’s eight million quid mansion.
Of course MP’s will pay top rate tax and a mansion taxes and multi houses they own taxes, after all we are all in this together.
But what about poor people like Chris Hoon who own about nine properties and are so strapped for cash that they are forced to claim their tax-free £ 17,000 when they have to leave the Cabinet ??
@Polly seewonk. Yes, that explains why Scotland has three Scots left in the country. Why bother with Independence when they are heading down towards England in their droves. Well done.
I predict a riot!
Sarkozy says there are too many foreigners in France. Damned right. There’s all them frogs for a start.
There is only one Scot worth bashing at the mo. Is he due in court tomorrow? If he doesn’t show up, no doubt you will find him ‘hingin aboot’ the school gates.
Laugh ? I thought I’d never start.
Did you hear about the bloke who ran up an annual deficit of 180bn quid and claimed to have ‘saved the world’?
Laugh ? thought we would never start.
Did you hear about the Bloke who was part of the treasury team who ran up the biggest deficit in our history who now has the brass neck to lecture us on economic policy
“There’s no money left”
Sorry Ed …. I know I ‘m only an ex Home Secretary and did not last long as Shadow Chancellor as I had to resign expeditiously in order to spend more time with my .. er … wallet .
And I realise that unlike you Ed I never did a stint writing for the LEX column in the FT .
BUT …..
I just don’t get the joke !! ???
Ohh sorry Ed . Yes .. the Euro’s finally dropped now . My little grandson just explained it to me . Gosh that was clever !!
It’s a play on words isn’t it Ed! . Those tablet things are like these new smaller computers we’re all supposed to be using now ( unfortunately i’m still mastering the ZX Spectrum from 1985 — or is it the Sinclair C5 I can never remember ). You know I’m having so many senior moments lately
— is it time I took ermine ?
what a complete and total arsehole Tim Montgomery is.
The voice of Conservatism…fucking wanker
Bless!
Poor ickle Scotland. Bullied by their bigger neighbours. Awwww.
And the way to ‘fix’ this is to cosy up to the Germans?
Scotland is behaving like Katie Price. Dump the father of your children and then go off shagging a cage-fighter just to show him what a proper man looks like.
You’ll be back with your begging bowl like the I*r*ish.
No Northern Ireland is Katie Price. Without credibility.
Poor ickle Scotland. Bullied by their bigger neighbours. Awwww.
And the way to ‘fix’ this is to cosy up to the Germans?
Scotland is behaving like Katie Pr*i*ce. Dump the father of your children and then go off shagging a cage-fighter just to show him what a proper man looks like.
You’ll be back with your begging bowl like the I*r*ish.
You said that already.
‘What did she have to do to earn such a grand title?’ Dear me. Has Rush Limbaugh just come in your mouth, Guido?
Gggggmuhhhhhhgggl
@Well it’s a thought. Two idiot Scots have been ruining the UK for well over a decade and I think this explains some of the anti – Scot sentiment on here. England is ruined.
The Scots up until recently have been inferior to the English politically and economically and have always been at a disadvantage until devolution was put in place. For the first time ever the Scots get to call the shots and this is humiliating for many English people. The balance of power has shifted and the English don’t have a say in it.
Only the Scots should vote on Independence, because the vote is on SCOTTISH Independence and the question is posed by the Scottish Nationalist Party and not from any other party in the union. So it is about Scots voting for or against Independence. If the UK were to vote for Scottish Independence, according to various statistics the majority of the UK voters would vote no to Independence. Even if all the Scots were to vote for Independence the answer from the UK vote would be No. The Scots would resent this.
To address inequalities in relation to the English and the Scots can only be achieved by England having her own devolved parliament. Then the English will be equal to the rest of the UK and not just Scotland.
Yes. You are quite correct Salmond is likely to enslave the Scots to the European Union which renders the idea of an Independent Scotland as absurb. Scotland will lose most if not all of her sovereignty to Europe.
Well it’s been proved yet again why Scots shouldn’t be in charge of the piggy bank, they have done yet again, what pushed them into a union with England, as we are in a union then a referendum is required by all, not just some nasty piece of work who I believe just got “lucky” for the next few years and has given him his one and only chance for at least 80years to make the break, personally if the Scots want to go
en-masse then good luck, the decision the Scots made when they voted the SNP in would have made any resentment to the English null and void if we say yes and they said no to a union referendum.
Turns out this well educated girl is a tranny!
DM reports the Liverpool trial.
http://bit.ly/xWVQsK
When will it be on the BBC?
Not even on BBC Mersyside News
Careful, now, folks. You only need some bumpkin muttering “hate crime” somewhere in the neighbourhood and then where would we be?
Erm, still in comments not being taken for legal reasons territory, I suppose.
Give the BBC its due, though. It did flash this (topically, Scottish) concise item for a while yesterday. Wonder what that’s all about?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-17255270
Extract:- The head of the BBC, Mark Thompson…
said: “The point is that for a Muslim, a depiction, particularly a comic or demeaning depiction, of the Prophet Mohammed might have the emotional force of a piece of grotesque child pornography.”
Hmm…
Bearing in mind what this wide-spread pattern of vile crimes are about Thompson’s comment may be his Freudian slip rather than an understanding of the Muslim mind.
Now, he’s not saying he’s frit but it seems a few people have somehow been injured or killed. So while the Beeb is very keen to say good things about Islam, Beeboids will never say anything critical because as they keep saying over the gunfire Islam is a Religion of Peace, and Mark’s going to keep re-stating just that no matter what he accidentally blurts out.
http://www.christian.org.uk/news/well-mock-jesus-but-not-mohammed-says-bbc-boss/
http://www.biased-bbc.blogspot.com/2012/03/mock-jesus-not-mohammad.html
Having read all the misinformed rubbish posted on here by xenophobic persons of English heritage – all I can say is welcome to your own overful dry closet and start looking at how Greece is turning out because that is what Cameron and George are working towards – with our Scottish resources you’ll be getting there quicker than you think.
I give the City of London until the 23rd of March or thereabouts then watch with glee as the fiscal genii of the ‘City’ start hurling themselves lemming like from the ‘Gerkin’ as Greece defaults.
What’s the ‘City’s’ current exposure on loans and underwriting to French Banks with Greek exposure – heard tell its some £20 billion sitting in Lloyds and RBOS courtesy of Mr Osbourne. All that before the Landesbank, Italian and Austrian banks go down like dominoes ……. at that point having an estimated tax income of £1 trillion from UK oil and gas over the next decade becomes rather important but sadly 83+% lies off the coast of a potentially independent Scotland, with more to come off the Western Isles of Scotland. Currently that and Whisky accounts for 50% of the reduction of the UK trade deficit according to Fatty Soames in Hansdard
That surely can’t be why Dave wants to hold onto us whiny, dependent Scots, simply because the English exchequer is seriously humped with out us….. no the City of London’s 17% of UK GDP will be able to sort the problem – aye right!
Interesting calculation , still think Salmond is too short term and innacurate on how it will pan out , I think stirling zone will have an inate ability to keep afloat , there is bond buying spree to come from the eurozone to consider in how they are trying to stabilise it , although as predicted the mechanics are not being resolved first . theres always a first time a debt to fight a debt crisis proves macro ecnomically wonk , we shall see
“…more [oil] to come off the Western Isles of Scotland”
Independence for the freedom-loving Western Isles!!
no man is an ireland
They’ve been promising oil off the West of Fucking Scotland for the last 15 years. I worked on the seismic over a decade ago.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
Did you ? Did you really ? You never mention it .NOT !
I want to be fwee and run about with fluffy animals!
Stay away or I’ll rip yer.
mmm con home turns into home con , who would have thunk it .
Been thinking a bit about SNP , and whilst some of there efforts are total misrepresentation , I think he will knacker the scottish economy , even if it has a glamourous start to it all like the euro did , I will consider it a little further when budgets get done .
Vince has a leak , Ed says there nothing wrong with patriotism mmm is that the sort of patriotism where you dont bankcrupt the country , how strange that in most of his political career he never encounted it .
Stetsons being fitted in treasury , ye haaa , light my cigar and fire up the bulldozer , theres gold in dem there green fields , hammy hamster has been served notice , Tales from the river blanked ! I rather wish you had started from all the brown field , but hey , theres just no helping the clueless to the natural world . I suppose only the rich will enjoy good clean food , rest of us will be on some sort of goo made from sewage , permanently on offer at yer local omni retailer , you cannot eat your plastic card or yer electronic money .
still lets wait and see where all this consultation actually went to , when it appears
107% turnout in Russian election. Even Tower Hamlets can’t beat that……Can they?
If all the Uddins vote they probably can.
This idea comes from a fictional Victorian novel written by an English man during the C19th.
The Scottish wifey or spinster will never be Independent. They will be tied to the either to the English man -who is infact her inferior because his democratic rights do not match hers- or to some Europe@n ponce who does not recognise her rights and insists on keeping her subservient and obedient and a man whose only interest is his own.
On this occasion I recommend a gay orgy where the Jock and Percy come together to fuck the Europe@n well and truly up the arse until his piles bleed!
that gets to the bottom of it
Will it be Ben Doon or Phil MacRevice who’ll be on the receiving end?
Scotland is like a wife to a cheating husband, who wont leave him for the love of cock and money.
Scots are ‘shaming themselves’ by going against the ‘natural law.’ This is a grotesque marriage!
No problem…if Scotland wants independence then they can have it and good fortune to them BUT they must take on their share of the national debt for saving SCOTTISH banks as part of the Independence deal and expect no more help from England,
If they want to stay in the Union and have “Devo-Max” then this is NOT a matter solely for them to decide on…all of the UK MUST have a referendum as to whether they are prepared to allow Scotland to have extra powers and as part of any agreement the matter of the unequal Barnett Formula must be revised and the West Lothian Question where Scottish MPs are allowed to vote on exclusively English matters at Westminster resolved/stopped.
RBS and HBOS are British banks who were formed by rescuing British banks.
If only independence would get rid of all the whining Scots, but as they’ll still be part of the Greater Franco Prussian Accord they’ll still hang around taking English jobs and moaning about it. The best that can be said is that we cease the outrageous subsidy to this fast disappearing non-culture and we get rid of that appalling cabal of Labour Scottish MPs. The issues around moving military bases and the Tridents should be seen as an opportunity for England to secure these lucrative installations, I have no issues with living near a Trident base.
The best that can be said is that we cease the outrageous subsidy to this fast disappearing non-culture London is fast disappearing non culture? Surely you mean Northern Ireland?
I have no issue with you being on the receiving end of Trident either come to that.
We’ll go together you spinless twat
I see the government have spent £1.3 billion of our money on saving £1.3 million in admin costs to run government … some people on here would think that was value for money
Wednesday.
PMQs.
Open goal re Cable leak for Ed M?
And questions from the opposition?
It’s Guido’s site. He is entitled to let his junior be stupid or to be so himself.
That said, it is a shame that this crossroads of Libertarian thought and humour should be marred by this needless, indeed reckless, disregard for a more efficacious approach.
Sobeit.
It’s Norway’s oil, and the gas is mostly English.
Scotland is as capable of running her own finances as England.
Something which cannot be said of dependent Ireland.
Just as women are as capable as men.
Something that cannot be said about Northern sponger Ireland
In fact, we could do a lot better.
Lucky for Northern sponging Ireland that they have the Union to pay for them or they would be doing a lot worse.
So the BBC are claiming copyright on the rant – as if we ever need for more proof that they are the British Left Broadcasting Corporation.
I came. I saw. I fucked off.
A really horrid ginger minger speaks nonsense.
A really horrid ginger minger utters nonsense.
OK, OK, modbot there WAS a legume inside a word.
Creeping Jesus, my life already.
Joan dear, just pose in this Android. Am I doing right Mr.Tom Watson? He wants me to kill marriage along with Rupert himself:
http://www.twitpic.com/8t56u7
I have to say well done to Joan. The analogy she uses is absolutely spot on. Scotland is in an abusive relationship with England and it’s time to get out. The SNP suspended the MSP at the weekend because of his alleged violence to previous wives and were right to do so as they have a policy of zero violence to domestic abuse. If you think about the analogy, you will note that zero tolerance is supported in this case too.
Nice to see the usual English-Nat, xenophobes and lickspittles out in full force!
These poor souls are in for a shock when they realize their political establishment has been lying to them for the last 40 years (for their own good, as it happens), perpetuating the myth that Scotland is “subsidized” in order to keep hold of North Sea Oil Revenue and the second top tax contributing “region” in the UK – even after Oil and Gas have been deliberately removed from the equation!
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Its funny because independence IS coming, and once it happens we’re all going to have a good old laugh at you deluded Brits crying into your Union Jack tea towels.