February 23rd, 2012

Strangers’ Subsidised Fight Night

What happens in the Strangers’ Bar stays in Strangers’  Bar, or so they like to think. That rule goes out the window though if you’re a Labour MP who gives a Tory colleague “a Glasgow kiss”. Labour’s Eric Joyce was nicked last night after apparently headbutting Tory MP Stuart Andrew.

Witnesses tell Guido he “just kicked off” and start flailing shouting “There are too many Tories in the bar”. Tory councillor Luke MacKenzie got punched while trying to break things up. Guido is trying to work out what triggered it all and you can whisper what you know here.

Aside from one too many taxpayer subsidised pints of course…

UPDATE: Joyce wasn’t the only politico arrested last night. West Midlands MEP Nikki Sinclaire, who was forced out of UKIP, was arrested in Birmingham for conspiracy to defraud the EU Parliament.


210 Comments

  1. 1
    a non says:

    DTs from the absence of “Top Totty”?

  2. 2
    Andrew Efiong says:

    Sounds like a nasty man to me, unable to hold his drink and control violent emotions.

    Hopefully Labour will send him on one of their beloved “anger management” courses.

    • 9
      Hang The Bastards says:

      Typical action of the nasty leftie thugs

      • 18
        What's Left? says:

        Labour – a party of crooks, self-enrichers, thugs, expense fiddlers, people haters, pilgrims, quangocrats, phonies, warmongerers and liars……the truly NASTY party

        • 28
          Wild Oscar says:

          All aided and abetted by the truly nasty bonus culture – the Red Channel (aka BBC)

          • Just William says:

            Yes, no doubt the patricians at BBC newsdesks will present this violent thug in an “amusing” light as they did with Lord Lardarse of Hull in the Head

          • Iloathlefties says:

            The BBC won’t see a story here or report it as Joyce the victim attacked by extremist right wingers!!

      • 22
        Dick the Prick says:

        Sounds like an utter prick.

        • 53
          Spartacus says:

          i often wondered why these scotch boys are typified as ‘seee youse jimmy’ followed by headbutts.

          sorry – no such thing as stereotyping

    • 69
      smoggie says:

      “..nasty man… unable to hold his drink and control violent emotions.”

      ..or more likely, they’ll make him Prime Minister or his Deputy if they get back in.

      • 99
        A proper right winger. says:

        One new years eve many years ago I got pissed and punched someones lights out for no apparent reason. I didn’t know him from Adam and have no idea what made me do it… Claret everywhere. fortunately no charges were brought and later that night I also got my leg over… Well her leg was over mine! Happy days!! The only repercussions were my mother finding my blood stained dress shirt two days later, I’d hidden it at the bottom of my wardrobe and sods law of course she found it… No excuses for what I did and I still feel ashamed. I expect this MP’s career is over if charges are brought…. Amen.

  3. 3
    Timmytour says:

    One way to get more Joyce in the NHS

  4. 5
    bergen says:

    Don’t think he’ll be much frightened of the speaker.Perhaps Bercow can get his wife and her friends to sort him out.

  5. 6
    Sir Pimple Timpleton says:

    Taxpayer subsidised beer, taxpayer funded police service and taxpayer funded jail followed by a breakfast funded by the taxpayer. Doubtless the Brawler will be after Legal Aid too.

    • 47
      Hugh Janus says:

      He’s certainly no stranger to spending/wasting/thieving public money. Lest we forget:

      “Joyce was the top-claiming Member of the House of Commons for the 2005–06 Parliamentary Session, claiming £174,811 in expenses, of which 62% was for staff and office costs. After the 2005–06 Parliamentary Session, he made a public pledge to cut his expenses. Subsequently, during the 2006–07 Parliamentary Session, he moved down to 11th on the list of MPs’ expenses and allowances. However, he once again rose to the top of the expenses list for the 2007–08 Parliamentary Session with £187,334.

      Joyce was the first MP to claim more than £1 million cumulatively in expenses. In October 2007 Joyce claimed £180 for three oil paintings. When asked why he had used taxpayer’s funds in such a way he replied “because they look nice.” In May 2009, tabloids reported Joyce was seeking advice from HM Revenue and Customs regarding £40,000 in unpaid capital gains tax on the sale of his London home, which he had designated as his second home under the Second Homes Allowance scheme. The tabloids wrote that when asked what he would do were he asked to repay the money, Joyce stated he would ‘suck it and see’.”

  6. 8
    Robbo says:

    Bad enough taxpayers’ representatives starting a fight, but doing it on taxpayer subsidised drink is defo out of order.

  7. 10
    Luiz Suarez's Mum says:

    Este blanquito no tiene vergüenza.

  8. 11

    Pity Harry Carpenter is no longer with us.

    He would have made a good political commentator for the Sun on Sunday.

  9. 13

    Pity Hаrry Carpenter is no longer with us.

    He would have made a good political commentator for the Sun on Sunday.

  10. 14
    Sophie says:

    Political drunken violence from the left wing jock mafia that runs Westminster? Never.

  11. 15
    Hang The Bastards says:

    Guido

    The article on the UKIP MEP is interesting. I am amazed that with all of them troughing in Brussels that they managed to single out some fraud from a UKIP member, yet ignore the millions and millions that is fraudulently stolen from us.

    Add to this the fact that the whole establishments finances are in uch disarray that they cant even get their accounts signed off.

    You would think that there is a witch-hunt against UKIP MEPs because the establishment doesn’t like Farage sticking it up em !

    Just a thought !

    • 33
      Dick the Prick says:

      Geez, she/he’s an 8 pinter, perhaps Joyce was going to meet he/she/it

      • 43
        Displaced Brummie. says:

        Poor Ms Sinclaire! If only she had learned to tug the forelock and swallow when ordered to whilst on her knees like every other MEP, she would have been showered with dosh and awards.

    • 88
      Cynical-old-bag says:

      Nobody has mentioned Lord Kinn*ck, his wife and son, who are all on the EU gravy train.

      They’d be first out if it was up to me.

    • 120
      Anonymous says:

      She He was thrown out of UKIP a couple of years ago.

    • 201
      Anonymous says:

      Well put ‘Hang’

    • 207
      Anonymous Coward says:

      Current Scarborough & Whitby MP Robert Goodwill did something similar in the past and was rebuked by the Party for his actions. “I fly from Leeds/Bradford to Brussels and we get a set fee of around £500, but if I buy a cheaper ticket, economy class for about £160 and £250, I can pocket the difference and, as a capitalist, also as a British Conservative, I see it as a challenge to buy cheap tickets and make some profit on the system.” Sounds like they’re all at it over there! Troughers!

  12. 16
    Mando Lynne says:

    Better get some’ Bisham Bashum, Bopum Fukum’ on the pumps and get rid of the ‘Top Totty’, it is obvious it’s is damaging our democracy

  13. 17
    yeah, right.. says:

    Drunk scottish chap starts fight shock……

    • 37
      Nothing to see here,move on....it's just a typical Glaswegian Night Out says:

      Go into any bar in Sauchiehall Street on a Friday Night and you’ll hear : “Are you looking at ME ? Are you looking at ME ? Do you wan’t SOME, Jimmy ? ” Followed by crashing tables,glasses and bleeding noses…so wonderful that our supposed moral(?)leaders set such a fine example to the rest of us “plebs” of how to conduct yourself when you’re losing an argument. A wonderful vignette of the cultural life in the Palace of Westminster….

      • 115
        sandy says:

        Fair’s fair, mate. He is representative of his constituency.

      • 118
        Mine d'Boggles says:

        Is that still the case? Marvellous how culture lingers on. When we used to wander down from Polmont in the late fifties/early sixties, Sauchiehall street was quite something, but on my last visit (2008-ish) the place was as dead as doornails and totally naff. So has it perked up a bit?

      • 123
        GETITRIGHTUPYE says:

        On the other hand we send our police to help the spineless English bobbies stop their plebs from rioting and robbing Argos. If there were a few less shirt lifting shitestabbers in Westminster it would help. The Strangers Bar was in the news recently as being compared to a gay club, so likely this was about some rent boy moving on to fresh pastures.

      • 164
        Tony Eden from Eton says:

        The correct procedure to follow when accosted in such a manner is to look at the floor say nothing and make no eye contact whatsoever.

        If you fail to follow theses simple rules your nose is likely to get busted.

      • 175
        Racism from the armchair watch says:

        you have never actually been in a bar in Sauchiehall street have you you twat !

  14. 19
    Arthur Haynes (Comedian) says:

    I expect it’s no more than rivalry between two tanked up footy supporters arguing over who’s got the hardest fans: Rangers or Leeds.

    Looks like the Scotch(they hate that word) git came off worse.

    Bred in the bone you know.

    AH (C)

  15. 20
    Steve Miliband says:

    There was a classic Newsnight Scotland interview where he got absolutely skewered about his expenses and relationship with his ‘consultant’

    Unfortunately f you search for a video of it, it has been ‘removed by the user’. Odd.

    • 77
      smoggie says:

      He is the most expensive MP in Parliament – two hundred grand plus in annual expenses.

      • 84
        Steve Miliband says:

        I recall he was asked why he felt it necessary for the taxpayer to spend £180 on paintings for his office and he replied ‘because they were nice’

    • 176
      The airbrush of History says:

      It was available until recently, now its been censored it would appear

  16. 21
    Embarresed ex-labour member. says:

    Before this tw@ was elected by the brainless morons of Falkirk, Joyce tried to stand for the Scots Parly. I was in Labour when we were picking a candidate effectively for 2 seats because NEFife was twinned with Perth for the voting/selection procedure (1 man 1 wimmin). Because NeF had more members than Perth we effectively could choose the 2 candidates. When Joyce turned up to the selection hustings it was apparant to most members that he was a t****r and effectively dumped him out of the running. How he managed to worm his way into Falkirk was beyond belief to many who recall the hustings!

  17. 23
    Liar liar pants on fire says:

    No mention of this on BBC this morning so cannot be true, move along now.

  18. 31
    Robbo says:

    Why do politicians think that raising prices of alcohol will deter the masses from drinking too much, but feel the need to subsidise their own booze in Westminster? Obviously the price of Westminster booze should be icreased by 1000% to stop this kind of behaviour.

  19. 32
    Anonymous says:

    He’s quite hot tho, isn’t he…..

  20. 34
    Well it's a thought says:

    Who’d have thought a supposedly respected member of Parliament behaving like a football hooligan, sorry like an MP, it seems we our beloved MP’s are showing that they are beyond the law and are becoming more like the trash of society, time to stop their troughing priveledges and allow the voters to see if they wish them to be their MP’s apart from the Liebour area’s that is, as long as the rosette is red they don’t care, as they don’t have a brain cell between them.

  21. 39
    poor and thirsty says:

    Guido.
    I was told last week by Sarah Woolaston (she who is bleating to remove drink from all but the rich) that there is NO subsidised drink any more in the HOC.
    Does she speak with forked tongue? You should know.
    As a point of reference, a pint of Guinness in my local is £3.80.

  22. 40
    Ed's Mouthpeice says:

    Once again Labour is taking the moral argument to the Tories !

  23. 41
    Whippersnapper2 says:

    Also take close note of Eric Joyce’s ‘expenses’ record and the word record is in more than one sense. If nowhere else see the DT report today.

    Is there no way to send the scum back to Scotland ….er forever ? They deserve him.

  24. 44
    Sarah says:

    Is Nikki Sinclaire a Tranny?

  25. 45
    Show biz for ugly people says:

    2 wankers having a fight is evidently more newsworthy than some troughing prick being arrested for fraud.

    Go figure.

  26. 48
    nellnewman says:

    Well obviously cameron is right and this is a prime example of yob behaviour created by too-cheap booze.

  27. 50
    Displaced Brummie. says:

    Any boxing gloves on his expenses? Oh, silly me! Street fighting thugs do not use boxing gloves…

    • 144
      labourunionsbbc we are one says:

      Wouldn’t stop him claiming for them though, think about it, why would a moronic street fighting thug want three oilpaintings?

  28. 52
    Loungelizard says:

    As St Polly Of Tuscany says, ‘ people on the left are so much nicer than those on the right’

  29. 54
    A Boy named Sue says:

    It must be tough though, being called Joyce.

  30. 56
    Gonk says:

    Violence can get to the nub of the argument via a shortcut.
    I wish someone would employ a similar strategy with Ms. Polly Toynbee.
    It would save much tedious time wasting and avoid dangerous channel
    switching in the morning.

    • 66
      Ichabod says:

      …and the turn to Robert Peston. Ye Gods is there any escape from this creep, does he never take a holiday, does he hang round the BBC for 16 hours a day. Whenever I turn on the news–radio or tv, morning or evening– I can’t get away from Robert Peston. And heavens does he have a high opinion of himself.

      • 107
        Hugh Janus says:

        Yes, Mr Goon-Peston was pontificating this morning on Toady. Strange, isn’t it, how Mr Giggling-Davis interrupted Michael Fallon as soon as he started to speak, but allowed Goon-Peston to drawl on endlessly while the rest of us have lost the will to live. What a bloody useless programme Toady is now. My attempt to see if it had improved at all was completely misguided.

      • 124
        Loungelizard says:

        Pestonitous .The erosion of sanity due to continual exposure to the mundane.

  31. 59
    Arthur Mullard says:

    A yob elected by yobs behaving like a yob. He’ll be quaking in his boots at the prospect of a ticking off from Red Ed.

  32. 64
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    Maybe he had already pissed away his £170 a week “Food” allowance and asked the Tory to buy him a pint !

  33. 65
    Baron Hogwash says:

    Will he be claiming the brawl on his expenses?

  34. 67
    Raving Loon says:

    Typical Labour response to nuanced conservative economic argument; just headbutt the bloke.

  35. 70
    Pour encourager les autres says:

    Hang ‘im !

  36. 71
    peacful jock says:

    Independence is coming with “no even a bloody nose”

  37. 72
    Alchoholic says:

    FOR THE LOVE OF GOD THE BEER IS NOT SUBSIDISED – IT’S CHEAPER AT WEATHERSPOONS

  38. 73
    Baron Hogwash says:

    Order! Order! Mirror http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/order-order-mp-eric-joyce-740669

    Shame they have a pic of Top Totty beer saying its served there – neglect to mention the loony labour MP had it banned.

  39. 77
    Anonymous says:

    what next handbags at dawn

  40. 80
    MB. says:

    BBC Breaking News
    MP Stuart Andrew says he plans to press charges after alleged assault in a bar at UK’s House of Commons

    • 85
      Baron Hogwash says:

      The Beeb is behind the times, read about this over an hour ago and the intention of the tory mp to press charges.

    • 122
      Scandals galore says:

      Stuart Andrew

      Another shirtlifter in the Strangers Bar

      Are Scotch Labour MPs closet homophobes ?

      He should get Y Fronts to protect him…!

  41. 82
  42. 87
    division says:

    Another nail in the coffin of a “United” Kingdom.
    The soon Salmond seperates and removes the Socialist Scottish chaff from the rest of the wheat around , the better.

    • 96
      Axe The Telly Tax says:

      The 20% rise in Brent crude in the last 2 months + Murdoch backing via the Scottish Sun and a by-election victory in Falkirk for the SNP. Alex Salmond must think all his Christmases have come at once.

      Journalists reallly should be asking Cameron how he will govern with a 23 seat majority, no longer needing the FibDems.

      • 108
        division says:

        With Dave sporting his “good samaritan hat”- this morning it’s Somalia- I must admit to holding out little hope of Scotland going it’s own way.
        Salmond appe-ars to be following the trait of many Scots parliamentarians -just using his position to screw as much money as he can from UK coffers.

  43. 90
    division says:

    sooner !

  44. 98
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Labour have now added violence to hate, denial, spite and hypocrisy. It comes from the top down in labour. But wait a minute I thought labour didn’t like any top down strategy.

  45. 103
    Scandals galore says:

    When I thought that the House of Commpons could not fall any lower after the generalised troughing, theft, fiddling, influence peddling and moral collapse

    We now see they resort to heat butting like football hooligans…

    So we can now call it the House of Glasgow Kissers ?!

    We really should bring back Gorbals Mick to preside over this…

  46. 104
    Taxfodder says:

    Strangers Bar.

    Clearly a place of disrepute attracting the lowest levels of society namely heavy drinkers, drug addicts prostitutes and criminal elements.

    Wholly unfit to hold a Licence, revocation should be final and immediate!

  47. 105
    Jock Strapped says:

    Eric Joyce has quite a resemblance to Jamie Macdonald, Malcolm Tucker’s violent second in command.

  48. 109
    Anonymous says:

    Headline:
    “MP Punches people in Bar”
    Think:
    - oooh scandal – fun and resignations maybe?

    Story:
    “Scottish MP….”
    - oh.. boring… next!

  49. 111
    Mary Woronov says:

    Joyce’s old army regiment’s motto was: “No One Provokes Me With Impunity”

    Pretty apt…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Watch

  50. 112
    Mad, Bad & Dangerous Gordon McRuin ( Member in absentia ) says:

    Another Jock cock.

  51. 117
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    Little Ed has suspended Joyce from the Labour party untill the police have finished their investigation
    funny how the fat brawling lump of lard Prescott never got suspended !

    • 126
      annette curton says:

      If that guy in the crowd had thrown an omelette and a large portion of french fries at him instead of an egg, trouble would have been avoided.

  52. 121
    Ah! Monika says:

    BBC News gets it right at last.

  53. 125
    Erm says:
  54. 127
    • 150
      jgm2 says:

      I thought I recognised the name.

      And folk wonder how he got his seat.

      Physically intimidating the other potential candidates would be my guess.

      Resign? In your fucking dreams. And if he’s allowed to stand as a Labour candidate the self-harmers of Falkirk will just elect him again.

  55. 128
    Disgusted Grange over Sands says:

    1 why is there a wet bar anyway ? I am now retired but in the now de nationallised organisation I used to work for there is no alcohol allowed in works hours unless authorised by very senior manager (she did for Xmas lunch) . No use of machinery if any drink taken. In old days we had wet bars on works.

    2 Surely if bar disorderly then license should be revoked!

  56. 130
    Question Time says:

    With the exception of Frank Field, why are all Labour MPs absolute yobs?

  57. 134
    TomTom says:

    Will he be charged with homophobia in attacking Stuart Andrew ? Didn’t Joyce resign from the Army Education Corps because he had enough qualifications at taxpayer expense and thought they were beastly to gays ?

    He also has form for beating up a female teacher when he was 15…..

  58. 135
    sandy says:

    Who missed the ‘l’ out of stranger’s bar?

  59. 136
    Anonymous says:

    “Conspiracy to defraud the EU Parliament” Ha Ha Ha Ha ….Is this an early April Fool? How can she be accused of stealing money that has never ever been acceptably accounted for in the first f*****g place! Anyway this will not go far – the can of worms is way to big

  60. 137
    Soapy says:
  61. 138
    inside- out says:

    Didn’t Cameron mention in his Edinburgh speech last week about both a new Scotland and remaining UK having to apply for membership of EU?

  62. 140
    Twitter Violence says:
  63. 141
    He only got nicked says:

    Stuart Andrew could have stamped on his bollox and then had him nicked.

  64. 142
    It was decided for Ed says:
  65. 145
    Loungelizard says:

    Maybe it was an Air Kiss that went terribly terribly wrong.

    • 159
      annette curton says:

      Nobody knows what they get up to in their private club, probably just the all party cage fighting night.

  66. 147
    Drop a Daisy cutter on the BBC says:

    I want to see some topless oil wrestling with Nadine taking on Gloria del Piero in the Strangers bar.

    Was Joyce on the dregs of Top Totty by the way?

  67. 149
    Tony Eden from Eton says:

    There can be no place for violence in a democratically elected Chamber.

    If any elected member is convicted of assault then he or she should be sacked on the spot for gross misconduct i.e. no taxpayer pay outs on the way out.

    Cameron should be calling all party leaders into No 10 to agree some clear ground rules.

  68. 152
    • 189
      Parker, Lady Penelope's Driver says:

      You could be on to summat there, though Sarah is just about on the right side of the male-female scale whereas t’other thing needs a fair bit more hormonal treatment & surgery to decisively cross that line, all of which costs.

  69. 153
    Anonymous says:

    Didn’t realise there were sufficient controls to make it possible to defraud the EU.

  70. 156
    H*rry Hill says:

    Only one way to settle this.

    Fight!

  71. 158
  72. 160
    balls everywhere says:

    Are Sarah Brown and Nikki Sinclair twins?

  73. 165
    Eric's Past says:

    Eric’s past is being discussed over at the Army Rumour Service – seems he does have a bit of a past in the Army and he is not too popular.

    http://www.arrse.co.uk/current-affairs-news-analysis/177765-tired-emotional-mp-gets-into-brawl-hoc-bar.html

  74. 169
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    No wonder Cameron wants to bring in minimum pricing for alcohol !
    all this alcohol induced brawling , He’s obviously witnessed it first hand !

    But as per usual they will be exempt !

  75. 172
    Phil from the Wrekenton Seven Stars says:

    The bars in the HOC are not licensed in any way by Westminster Licensing Court.

    They are a law unto themselves.

    If this happened in my local the landlord would be finished.

    I have written to Cameron twice about this now and he has done fuck all about it.

    He is supposed to be running things on behalf of us all not cow towing to the oikish behaviour of these louts.

    • 182
      annette curton says:

      I have posted before, people do not realise that the House of Commons and the House of Lords are in a building that is formally known as The Palace of Westminster, Palace being significant as this title exempts those therein from all the petty restrictions everyone else has to suffer (legislated by them), basically they can do what the hell they like, these priveleges have been handed down from the time of Louise the 14th.

      • 194
        HM Queen, waving serenely from one of her palaces as the country is radically transformed says:

        At Christmas we ought to have regard for tradition, for that is the backbone of our culture and the guarantor of continuity.I know I do but then again I am very well paid to keep quiet about what is actually going on and which has little or nothing to do with any of those things. So I hereby declare this inconsequential news item about a schoolgirl giving me a posy of flowers, open.

      • 205
        Lady Di O'Hacknee says:

        Was that Louis XIV of Scotland? I don’t seem to recall any English monarch by that name.

    • 195
      Jane Birkin from Paris says:

      I have say Westminster Licensing is completely useless.

      They may be very good at getting fees off people and sending them on licensing courses arranged by their mates but they do nothing whatsoever to test the true management capabilities of potential landlords.

      I was in London over Christmas and found no fewer than the 3 Fullers pubs I wished to enter to be shut despite the benefits of 24 hour drinking.

      I then found another three pubs of dubious ownership open. The only beers they had at the pumps worth drinking were the guest beers. I was told in all three establishments that these beers were ‘off’.

      I therefore visited no fewer than six pubs licensed by Westminster without being able to find a half decent pint.

      Needless to say I will not be returning for the Olympics.

  76. 178
    The Fog says:

    I bet alchohol was involved.

  77. 186
    bring back Maggie says:

    Nikki Siclair the only MEP to publish all the expenses MEP’s can claim. They equal £500,000 a year. Now she gets arrested. MMMmmmm do I smell something fishy here?

    • 191
      Parker, Lady Penelope's Driver says:

      Whatever it is that smells fishy, I doubt it’s ‘her’ minge cos she ain’t got one.

  78. 188
    John presscot says:

    Its outragous , In my day we saved that behaviour for the voter

  79. 196
    Golly says:

    Who is this Luke Mackenzie character?

    Has he a brother called Kelvin?

    What was he doing in the HOC?

    What did he do yesterday to help the voters?

  80. 197
    Bunker Boy says:

    By-election nightmare beckoning for Milliboy. Electoral wipeout for labour at the council elections in Scotland in May. Salmond says sod it to the referendum and declares UDI. Most northern counties of England beg forgiveness and ask to be allowed to become part of Scotland. Cameron says sod it and invades Syria, then Iran, with that famous old war horse Major Eric Joyce leading the crusade.

  81. 204
    The Doddering Old Fart says:

    May I suggest now all the members of the public who vote, now go out and thump their MP.
    You never know it might work if you add the words, ” Try telling the truth all you lying bastards and I will not hit you again.”



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