February 23rd, 2012

Debate Tonight:
“Lobbyists Are Paid to Thwart the Democratic Will.”

Tonight Guido and Tamasin Cave from Spinwatch are proposing the motion for debate that “Lobbyists Are Paid to Thwart the Democratic Will”. Mark Adams from Stand Up 4 Lobbying and Justin Fisher from the The Magna Carta Institute are opposing.

The event is taking place in Smith Square, Westminster and the audience will probably be riddled with lobbyists. So if you want to attend tonight and bolster the forces of democracy, email debate@StandUp4Lobbying.org, There is free booze courtesy of Ellwood and Atfield.  Full details here. See you later…


55 Comments

  1. 1
    ERM says:

    But dont we all lobby in viarous ways? websites, petitions etc?

    • 3
      WVM says:

      But not necessarily for pure financial gain.

      • 19
        ERM says:

        But, Take this site, guido makes money from it while lobbying for certain things (death pen example) , is that not the same?

      • 23
        Very Wealthy Wind Farm Gentry says:

        Lobbying is essential for my industry.

        The lifeblood of any developed nation, is reliable, affordable energy and planning based on certainty of supply.

        That is why many billions of pounds are being invested so wisely in wind power.
        It is also why any form of energy that involves the production of the de-adly killer gas CO2, should be taxed out of profitable existence.

        Luckily, our great nation has for the last fifteen years, been ruled by forward thinking progressives, who understand the need for such things and continue to support our ende-avours.

        Even yesterday, the magnificent Cameron sprang to our defence saying ”Wind farms increase energy security & keep bills down”.

        Who could doubt such honesty, clarity and integrity and cynically claim lobbying had anything at all to do with it?

        On behalf of our industry, I say well done Dave and trebles all round!

    • 38
      AC1 says:

      OT Greece to be Asset Stripped for Benefit of Non Greek banks (well their owners).

      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/greece%E2%80%99s-lenders-have-right-seize-national-gold-reserves

      • 39
        Archer Karcher says:

        Not just the Greeks it seems. It looks like the Germans want all the PIIGS gold, for “temporary safe keeping” no doubt.

        “Recent months have seen many senior German government officials calling for so called “PIIGS” nations gold reserves to be used as collateral. Such as Angela Merkel’s budget speaker and his opposition counterpart who urged Portugal to consider selling their gold.

        Norbert Barthle, Germany’s governing coalition budget speaker and his counterpart Carsten Schneider from the Social Democrats, the biggest opposition party, urged Portugal to consider selling some of its gold reserves to ease its debt problems. They called for a review of Portugal’s request for financial aid to include gold and other potential asset sales.”

    • 52
      Stobrith says:

      What is there to debate?
      It is self evident from the word “Lobbying”.
      They are all guilty of perverting the course of government.

  2. 2
    Eric "Air Miles, See You Jimmy" Joyce says:

    Did someone say free booze?

  3. 4
    Axe The Telly Tax says:

    If Joyce doesn’t like Tories then why doesn’t he stay in jockland, there’s only 1 left :-)

    • 11
      Cab for hire says:

      ‘I ‘ad that Eric Joyce in the back of the cab once. Took ‘im from city airport to the commons.
      “Ta matey!” He said. “..Whoo march wuld eit be to if I took this cab an ah wannaed tae go tae Falkirk!”

      “£700 Jock!” I told him.

      “Then give mae a receipt fer thar amount. An add a £50 tip fer yesself”

      nice bloke..be lucky!’

  4. 5
    tottenham chutzpah says:

    IS THAT ‘STAND-UPS’ FOR LOBBYING

  5. 6
    Loungelizard says:

    ‘Free booze’ Any chance the night will end with Guido twonking Justin Fisher.

  6. 7
    Axe The Telly Tax says:

    I see Guido is asking for camera footage of last nights fracas at the Strangers bar.

    Isn’t it time they brought in CCTV cameras to the bar if they can’t behave themselves.

    Or are CCTV cameras only for the little people?

  7. 8
    Penfold says:

    I find the motion proven.

    Hang all the lobbyists.

    • 9
      Mark Oaten says:

      Did someone say motions?

    • 10
      Albert Pierrepoint says:

      When do I start?
      I’ve been waiting for this day for years…

      • 14
        Bell Pottinger Group Public Relations says:

        Sounds like a fun event. Just needs a quick run through with our wikitweaks department.

        “Lobbyists Are unpaid to chart the Democratic Will”

        there..that’s better.

  8. 12
    Labour: still nasty says:

    Well done to the female Tory MP who bravely told that thug Joyce that he should try and punch her before he attacks her staff. Can you imagine any Labour MP doing that?

    • 15
      Lord Rubber Johnnie Presclott says:

      I’d have lamped her.

      • 42
        stun says:

        Oops, trouble with the ‘cost of things’ word. Try again:

        Seems to be Jackie Doyle-Pr*ce, according to Waugh’s column, MP for Thurrock.

        Essex girls, always up for it.

    • 41
      stun says:

      Seems to be Jackie Doyle-Price, according to Waugh’s column, MP for Thurrock.

      Essex girls, always up for it.

  9. 13
    Anonymous says:

    Perhaps the implicit assumption that there is such a thing as a “democratic will” or indeed that there is something called democracy at work in the UK might be a more suitable way to begin.

    • 50
      Handycock (Teen Fondler) says:

      Does anyone want me to come along to talk about corruption? I will do it for free if there are any young girls there. Boaz.

  10. 16
    The ghost of Frank Carson says:

    I heard that Eric Joyce had a smashing time last night.

    It’s the way I tell ‘em!

  11. 17
    witbooi says:

    any chance we can get ‘antidisestablishmentarianism’ chucked into your speech?

  12. 18
    Someone explain basic arithmetic to Eric says:

    Eric Joyce: “There’s too many Tories in this bar”. That’s because there’s more Tory MPs than Labour ones, Eric.

  13. 20
    Johnny says says:

    “Lobbyists Are Paid to Thwart the Democratic Will”

    Lobbyists are an excuse for our representatives to stop representing us. They are not the cause of our representatives being shits – we are for picking them.

  14. 21
    Some Geezer wot's read his Edmund Burke says:

    Lobbyists are merely a convenient fig leaf; it’s the MP’s who are paid (and quite well, considering the perks) to thwart the public will; “When you elected me you elected my conscience,” ya da da, ya da dee. Lobbyists are just “enablers,” as the touchy-feely warm-&-fuzzy crowd like to say.

  15. 22
    smoggie says:

    free booze …and all the violence you can handle.

  16. 24
    Pawn Sandwich says:

    Let me see if I understand this correctly. Labour want a fully integrated multi cultural society.

    Without Tories.

  17. 27
    Eric Joyce says:

    I’m afraid you will have to count me out guido, I’m otherwise engaged.

  18. 29
    Recap says:

    In the last week we’ve had Labour councillors praise the IRA, another Labour councillor say she wishes Mrs Thatcher would go blind, and Eric Joyce launch a violent unprovoked attack on Tory MPs. Labour: still nasty.

    • 35
      smoggie says:

      Be fair, it may not have been unprovoked. Perhaps the tory was wearing a blue cravat or a pinstripe suit – provocative fucker.

    • 36
      AC1 says:

      What do you think about a group of people who confuse extortion and sharing?

      • 44
        annette curton says:

        Well after all they are all in it together, luvvly Jubbly for some, the sad part is that they are all so collectively thick that they keep crapping on their own doorstep.

    • 45
      Fair's Fair Though says:

      You DID have that Tory councillor woman slapping that old man, the old slapper!

  19. 30
    Jackie Doyle-Price MP says:

    The woman who took on Eric Joyce and won.

  20. 31
    BBC News says:

    We understand that Lord Ashcroft provoked Mr Joyce.

  21. 32
    The laser gun might also come in handy against Gordon's Nokia attacks says:
  22. 34
    the caring left , look at the picture. says:
  23. 37
    Jack says:

    A good reference for your attack on lobbyists this evening

    http://www.economist.com/node/3881153

  24. 40
    Biased BBC says:

    BBC News still not running the Eric Joyce story in the first fifteen minutes from the top of the hour. First mention of it at sixteen minutes past the top of the hour for fifteen seconds.

  25. 43
    Arthur Haynes (Comedian) says:

    Arthur insists that Mr Fawkes lobbies on behalf of these immigrants living under a bridge in West London. Maybe some rowing boats, etc.

    http://www.londonnet.co.uk/news/2012/feb/hundreds-homeless-immigrants-living-rough-west-london.html

    AH (C)

    • 46
      Utterly mad says:

      We have millions of unemployed and we have Indian immigrants coming here to do building work?

      • 47
        Clive of India says:

        We should apply the law of equivalence to immigration. We get your hard working, risk willing labour, you get our work shy, benefit addicted lumpen proles. I reckon no more than 3 months on the bottom of the social ladder in Bangalore will turn them into enterprising and energetic workers. Or they’ll dead.

  26. 48
    Anonymous says:

    What kind of notice is this for people living outside London? The lobbyists must be quaking in their metropolitan boots.

  27. 55


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