February 10th, 2012

The Real Cost of Peterborough Pilgrims

The unions have often moaned that the investigations into their facility time are unfair. If anything figures put out by the Taxpayers’ Alliance were very conservative. Take Rona Hendry (£43,600 per annum) and Mark Burn (£29,700 per annum) for example, two Pilgrims who seems to spend their time creating ‘social communities’ online for Peterborough Council.

The TPA report into taxpayer funding of trade unions said that Peterborough claimed the cost of Pilgrims was £56,385. Further digging puts the actual true cost at almost 50% higher. In other news Peterborough have rejected the council tax freeze.


  1. 1
    Winning says:

    fucking disgusting.

    They should be taken outside and shot!

  2. 2
    J. Pig grim says:

    This is victimisation !

  3. 3
    Bongler says:

    We need to get rid of these scrounging pilgrims right now. No delays, no reviews.

    If they’re doing union work, make the union pay. Or sack them for moonlighting.

  4. 4
    Red Ken ( pond life ) Livingscum says:

    Going into meltdown…….. http://bit.ly/wlSL40

  5. 5
    Peter Grimes says:

    Absolute clucking Guardianista jobsworths! Sack the clucking lot of them!

  6. 6
    Pilgrim Father says:

    Come, come. Excellent value for money, I think you will agree?

    Another assured performance from Peterborough Council.

  7. 7

    …creating ‘social communities’ online…

    Is this another form of postal voting?

  8. 8
    What's Left? says:

    Today Forrest MiliGump whined on about the bankers yet again.

    How about doing something about union parasites and errr…. comrades who never turn up in Parliament and yet rake in tax payers money as absentee MPs. I’m thinking G Brown & D Miliband, for starters.

    MPs who do not turn up in Parliament for less than four days per week, should be suspended or dismissed. (apart from illness or public service like overseas visits on UK business).

  9. 9
    Trinny says:

    Otherwise known as playing on Facebook

  10. 10
    ACDC1 says:

    sounds to me like pissing about … a bit like this

  11. 11
    Lauren Galloway-Ridley says:

    I’d vote for him

  12. 12
    Jeremy Clarkson says:

    Shoot them in front of their families!

  13. 13
    Trinny says:

    I bet this comment never makes it on to Comment of the Day

  14. 14
    FartingHippo says:

    Teensy weensy bit excessive, don’t you think, Colonel?

  15. 15
    Joss Ayinglike says:

    So would I if it was euthanasia we were talking about.

  16. 16
    Money for old rope says:

    I will do BOTH their jobs for £28720 p.a. How’s that for a saving?

  17. 17
    ToonBob... says:


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    The Paragnostic says:

    Probably making Latvian, Lithuanian and various other Eastern European Facebook pages to cater for the migrants – tips on which rivers have any carp left in them, recipes for roast swan, etc. etc.

    Diversity – dontcha just love it?

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    Own Goal says:

    Is Peterborough a Labour council? If so then the council tax payers have only themselves to blame for voting socialist.

  20. 20
    Anonymous says:

    How much does the council give the unions via staff training on the Trade Union courses they just happen to run for just about all jobs within the public sector, supply, provide mats and room facilities for ?

    Do the trade unions arbitrate in staff disputes and employment issues ? If so, was the arbitration/work put out to tender ?

  21. 21
    Albert Pierrepoint says:

    Bastard “Metroproles” having their cake and eating it again and again.
    I say ‘hang them’, infact I’ll even do this one off the books myself to add a nice touch of symbolism…

  22. 22
    AC1 says:

    Yes. A claw hammer is cheaper.

  23. 23
    Are you listening Dave? says:

  24. 24
    Loungelizard says:

    Has the Gov got the guts to really go after these leaches in a knock em down drag em out way or is it all just hot air.

  25. 25
    Peterborian says:

    Who do these pilgrims represent? Last year Peterborough CC sacked all their direct labour and replaced them with agency workers on minimum wage. This we were told would save us council tax payers a fortune. Perhaps they are representing each other.

  26. 26
    Ah! Monika says:

    Don’t follow the money on these, follow who they know!

  27. 27
    Cynical-old-bag says:

    It’s not even hot air – it’s stale air.

  28. 28
    Peterborian says:

    Tory council .Tory MP

  29. 29
    Ah! Monika says:

    And are the Guardian still coining it in to advertise these insider appointments?

  30. 30
    Ah! Monika says:

    Bugger here today, gone tomorrow polititians, let’s sort out the NHS NOW before the GBP install another socialist regime.

  31. 31
    annette curton says:

    NHS kill it, em, needs a good shake down.

  32. 32
    Julie Davies says:

    Do Peterborough Council have a job for a fat-N-UGLY non-teaching teacher?
    I would be the ideal candidate, and Haringay would surely support my application. It’d sane them plenty of money.

  33. 33
    Ah! Monika says:

    Back to Prescott I see

  34. 34
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Sounds like you’ve got deep Anger issues.

    You need a nice day out at wagamamas.

  35. 35
    ToonBob... says:

    They should advertise in the Daily Mail :)

  36. 36
    Selohesra says:

    Filipino dating – thats more like it Guido – beats the old slappers you usually advertise

  37. 37
    ToonBob... says:

    Agreed, the NHS is a dinosaur.

  38. 38
    Just the 1st two vacancies says:

    We are seeking to recruit an experienced manager to join our Safeguarding team
    Contract Type:Permanent
    Working Hours:Full time
    Send to a friend More details
    Closing date:
    24 Feb
    Head of Strategic Communications
    A dynamic and experienced head of strategic communications is required to lead our multi-disciplinary team
    Contract Type:Permanent
    Salary:£55,375 – £72,027

  39. 39
    Get your act together says:

    The Tory MP Stewart Jackson is fuming.

    “It is time the cabinet stopped listening to its highly paid council officers and started listening to the council taxpayers.

    “I am disappointed they are one of the few councils in the country not to take up the grant and freeze tax.”


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    NHS says:


  42. 42
    £5 Million BBC pilgrim with gold-plated pension says:

    Ha! This is peanuts compared to the BBC. We’ve got so much cash here from the telly tax that our pilgrims are the most expensive in the world.

  43. 43
    Hang The Bastards says:

    When will someone stop this appauling waste of my hard earned tax !

    These fuckers are a cancer on society, a true parasitic form.

  44. 44
    Infinity says:

    Oh, yes it will.

  45. 45
    ToonBob... says:


  46. 46
    £5 Million BBC pilgrim with gold-plated pension says:

    No mention of the qualities required like maxing out on expenses, the ability to keep feet on the desk for longer than 3 hours, being able to waste public money faster than anyone else, etc.

  47. 47
    Cynical-old-bag says:

    Are any qualifications required? Like being a member of a Union?

  48. 48
    Radical, Not Extreme... & VERY Slim & Sexy !! says:

    I think you’ll find your Filipino dating ad is simply the product of your browsing habits. Clean out your cookies asap…

  49. 49
    I don't need no doctor. says:

    Union scum first intent,
    To be a Pilgrim,
    There’s no discouragement,
    They are all bent,
    To be a Pilgrim.

  50. 50
    Maximus says:

    Equally, what exactly does Peterborough Councillor Walsh’s “Cabinet for Community, Cohesion and Safety” represent – apart from meaningless twaddle for an easy life?

  51. 51
    Percy Longprong says:

    er none of them!

  52. 52
    From the makers of the Big Society says:

    Never mind Julie if you dont get that job you can always apply for job of Police Chief, no experience necessary.

  53. 53
    I don't need no doctor. says:

    Why do they use cover up names like Safeguarding. Why not Union Protection Racket Tax Payer Robbing Team.

  54. 54
    It's the cuts in Stockport says:

    Struck off: Stockport nurse who cut off hair of gypsy patient suffering from dementia Mary Pemberton, 57, chopped off the hair which reached down to the elderly woman’s back and restyled her hair into a shoulder-length bob. Care records for the woman, known only as Resident A, specifically stated her hair could not be cut, the Nursing and Midwifery Council heard.

    Read more at: http://menmedia.co.uk/stockportexpress/news/

  55. 55
    Abu Qatata ta ta ta ta says:

    Im thinking of applying for One of these Police Chief positions .

  56. 56
    Peter Sutcliffe says:

    Me to

  57. 57
    Cynical-old-bag says:

    It’s a complete waste of time. I applied for a job as the Pol*ce Commision*r’s PA in our local area. I was more then well qualified to do the job, and I answered all the criteria on a 22 page application form. I didn’t even get an interview.

    I reckon they already had someone lined up for the job.

  58. 58
    annette curton says:

    Multi-disciplinary team?, I could do that for a starting salary of £55 thousand and have got all the gear, handcuffs, whips, the lot.
    Hoping my job application has been successful.
    Yours sincerely,
    annette curton.

  59. 59
    I think we should be told says:

    Saturday morning Porn Stats.
    How many clicks does the Ann Summers ad get?

  60. 60
    Ah! Monika says:

    Perhaps you were too old and too cynical!

  61. 61
    Fish says:

    Is your real name Tracey?

  62. 62
    Fish says:

    Bet not!

  63. 63
    MB. says:

    It sounds as if Eric Pickles needs to get up to Peterborough and bang a few heads together. This is in today’s Peterborough Evening Telegraph

    “A working party of councillors has been formed from the Independent group, the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats to draft an alternative council budget.
    It will propose accepting a Government grant in return for keeping council tax at the same level – which the Conservative-controlled cabinet says is impossible without imposing cuts to services.”

  64. 64
    sandy says:

    Imagine a world where shoe shops were nationalised. In each large town there was only one shop selling shoes. And because you knew you had no choice and the workers there knew you had no choice their attitude was that you should be bloody grateful and subservient to them. And if you didn’t behave you would find yourself on their ‘bad books’, finding it strangely difficult to get any shoes at all.

    The shoes would be free but you would have to make an appointment 4 or 5 days ahead before you were granted permission to visit the shop and see a shoe enablement officer, followed by possibly an 18 week wait before the shoes you were told you could have would be ready for you. And when you turned up to take possession of the shoes, as likely as not you would be told that the shoes had not yet arrived or discover that the shoes did not fit you or were not the ones you were expecting. And of course you could only have one pair of shoes per year unless you had a form signed by three professionals. And of course there was no computer system because it cost £12 billion and didnt work.

  65. 65
    annette curton says:

    Fred West.

  66. 66
    MB. says:

    The Mail is reporting this today

    “Giant 40ft gypsy ‘caravan’ given police escort through village to ILLEGAL travellers’ site… after council forces residents to move their cars”

    and the Telegraph

    “Villagers told move your cars so traveller’s caravan can be towed onto ‘illegal’ site
    Villagers have reacted with fury after being ordered to move their cars so that police can escort an extra wide mobile home to an “illegal” travellers’ site. “

  67. 67
    Sod the Eds says:

    Common mistake made calculating salary costs. Total cost of employment is usually around 170% of basic salary. This includes such thing as employers’ National Insurance Contributions, pension payments, office costs etc. Therefore the two’s combined salaries of 73 K become approximately £124K total cost or more than double the stated £56,385.

  68. 68
    Kered Ybretsae says:

    All sounded very not saying, not to upset, but I would like to know the Coucillors job description, in the cabinet for C, C & S. Sounds very dodgey to me!

  69. 69
    Sir William Waad says:

    Now imagine that, if you wanted medical treatment, it would be provided by a 16-year-old trainee with an attitude problem and would only be available if you could afford it. If you needed anything a bit unusual they wouldn’t be able to do it. All the actual work would be done in the Philippines by chidlren chained to workbenches, while the customers paid for expensive branding and huge merchanting profit margins. And they would always, always try to sell some some useless shoe care product for £9.99.

  70. 70
    I Remember You Hoo says:

    Please do not forget the tireless member for Middlesborough south ( Paris ) Stuart Bell.

  71. 71
    Sir William Waad says:

    “So, you want to be paid for being a nuisance and screwing everything up? Let’s see what we’ve got…ah, yes, here we are, you’re in luck:

    Pilgrim – £40k plus pension and use of staff canteen;
    Treasury official – £125k plus pension and a pretty little medal;
    Head of nationalised bank – £negotiable, shall we say?”

  72. 72
    blue34 with extra beastliness says:

    Be fair, its cold
    Do it inside

  73. 73
    The Paragnostic says:

    There used to be a pub on the A560 just outside Stockport, called the Traveller’s Call.

    A large sign beside the door said…


    Lots of the buggers around, you see.

  74. 74
    Look away now says:

  75. 75
    Cynical-old-bag says:

    I was 51 which isn’t that old, but bearing in mind that my retirement age was 65, I still had a few years to work.

    I got much more cynical after that!

  76. 76
    Cynical-old-bag says:

    ‘Fraid Not.

  77. 77
    Linda La Plantes "Prescott" says:

    Surely that makes the cops accessory to a crime ?

  78. 78
    The Paragnostic says:

    Council banned from saying prayers before meetings:


    I’m an atheist, and even I think the law has no place interfering in this way. If the council as a whole wants to have a prayer before sessions, what’s stopping non-believers from just having a moment of thoughtful reflection?


  79. 79
    Cynical-old-bag says:

    Now let me see……..

    Could it be a swanky office in a newly-refurbished council building (at taxpayers expense, of course), a full complement of staff, a car (with a driver), a hugely inflated salary and an unlimited expense account?

  80. 80
    Prezza on his bike says:


    Couldn’t let this one by…

    Prezza and the New Humberside Police G Force

  81. 81
    Archbishop Rowan Williams says:

    What if they are Labour Councillors praying for Mrs Thatchers early demise?

  82. 82
    Friends of Ed says:

  83. 83
    Prezza in prison says:

    In prison uniform as well

    About his level

  84. 84
    ! says:

    The reality of Socialism

  85. 85
    Selohesra says:

    Why do I mostly get adds for the golden oldies then rather than the voluptous vixens which is my preference

  86. 86
    Gettin down wiv da kidz says:

    yoof and asia?

  87. 87
    The Paraatheists says:

    Why not go the whole hog and join us.

  88. 88
    Red Ken ( pond life ) Livingscum says:

    I’m targeting the yoof ‘n’ asian vote. Innit. Lark.

  89. 89
    Cynical-old-bag says:

    Now let me see……..

    Could it be a sw*nky office in a newly-refurbished cou*cil buil*ing (at ta*payers expen*e, of course), a full compl*ment of st*ff, a c*r (with a dr*ver), a hug*ly inflat*d sal*ry and an unl*mited exp*nse acco*nt?

    Sorry about asterisks – my last comment was modded.

  90. 90
    Cynical-old-bag says:


  91. 91
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    I want a shiny iKidney.

    My current ones are dull and brown and don’t do “angry birds”

  92. 92
    Thinking about it says:

    If you stretched all the pilgrims from end to end…….
    It would be a good idea. Simps

  93. 93
    Boudicca says:

    This case makes me ashamed to call myself an atheist.
    I’m sure the voters of Bideford will make their feelings known at the next local elections.

  94. 94
    Anonymous says:

    I’ve had 8 letters to The Times printed in recent years, but never managed a Comment of the Day

  95. 95
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    well you should claim to be a splinter group of atheist who doesn’t believe in a slightly different manner.

    I shall be on your side, can we kill and harrass the other lot? Aimlessly. For centuries. and forget why. ah please.

  96. 96
    ! says:

    “Now imagine that, if you wanted medical treatment, it would be provided by a 16-year-old trainee with an attitude problem and would only be available if you could afford it” – in modern Britain you do not have to imagine

  97. 97
    Anonymous says:

    Mayday, mayday! This is CCHQ to Guido. We’re taking a pasting on the NHS, Qatada, QE, Gender Quotas, Tax Breaks for Domestics etc etc Any chance of a few articles on Pilgrims/Miliband to deflect the flak?

  98. 98
    Dogshite in Edinburgh should mind their business. says:

    I am truly sick of these socialist turds.

  99. 99
    You Couldn't Make It Up says:

    Oh yes you could!

  100. 100
    Ah! Monika says:

    Not forgetting the subsidised canteen

  101. 101
    nellnewman says:

    The only people benefitting from their employment is themselves. So what is the MP for Peterborough Stuart Whatsisname going to do about this?

    What does an online union social community created by a City Council pilgrim look like? What does it do? Anybody know?

  102. 102
    Edinburgh Socialist Scum says:

    How many more years will it take for the thick as shit Labour idiots realise they are part of problem and not the solution?

  103. 103
    Edinburgh Socialist Scum says:

    How many more years will it take for the thick as shit Labour idiots to realise they are part of problem and not the solution?

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  105. 105
    Anonymous says:

    Work done on the Philippines, Sir Waad? Too late, they’re already over here working as carers in OP homes (normally after “qualifying” from some Pinoy diploma mill where answers to exam are handed out before the sitting)

  106. 106
    Richard Dawkins says:

    By definition an atheist is an atheist is an atheist.

  107. 107
    Brown's shitstains says:

    Jog On Mong!

  108. 108
    The Paragnostic says:

    Then they will deserve their fate, which is to be endlessly buggered by Mandelscum while being forced to endure repeat readings of tractor stats by the Maximum Imbecile for all eternity, in Fabian Hell.

    Not that I’m anti-Labour or anything, you understand.

  109. 109
    Ah! Monika says:

    Rather reminds me of the Conservative Party……No Tories.

  110. 110
    The Paragnostic says:

    You haven’t read The God Delusion, Richard?

    See P50-51 (hardback)..

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    Ah! Monika says:

    See 104

  113. 113
    Dick says:

    Will you pay for it? If not then shut up.

  114. 114
    Peterborough Comment of the Week says:

    cambsfrs Cambs Fire & Rescue
    by PeterboroughCC
    “If there’s nothing on the streets to set fire to, arson will go down.

  115. 115
    Pawn Sandwich says:

    “A vibrant city packed with potential for investment”

    We all know what the word “investment” means from Gordon Browns use of the word. It actually means “other peoples money” raised through taxation. Making others poorer and yourself richer.

    Used to be called public expenditure.

  116. 116
    Another Richard Dawkins says:

    I’m not the real Richard Dawkins

  117. 117
    The Real Richard Dawkins says:

    Let me tell you what I really meant to say

    A Strong Atheist, is a Strong Atheist is a Strong Atheist.

    Happy now?

  118. 118
    Max Mosley says:

    And your phone number?

  119. 119
    Celestial Teapot says:

    If I existed I would agree

  120. 120
    Pilgims, sweeteners and corrupt unions says:

    Guido, you have got pilgrims 180 degree wrong–its not the taxpayers but the council workers they represent that are getting screwed.

    Imagine the wage negotiations–the council offers a low bat on wages and sweetens it with a bit of pilgrim “generosity” so union representative can ditch their full time job. Do the union representatives say no pilgims and argue for higher wages or accept and take the pilgrim sweetner? Costwise pilgrims could be saving council millions in wages by allowing councils to negotiate low balls.

    Rather than taxpayers, it is union members that should be hot under the collar and protesting since such job “sweeteners” to union representatives.

  121. 121
    Sir Aston Martin says:

    So they did vote socialist, then.

  122. 122
    Sir Aston Martin says:

    Error. He must ALWAYS be referred to here as:

    Stuart Bell-End.


    (Not that I’m trying to lay down the law, I got roasted for the same mistake and wish to prevent a similar immolation for others.)

  123. 123
    Sir Aston Martin says:

    They’re great, these inkjet things, aren’t they?

  124. 124
    Andy Murray says:

    Game set and match…to you.

  125. 125
    Sir Aston Martin says:

    It’s all just hot air.

  126. 126
    Sir Aston Martin says:

    Why do I get ads for Sanatogen, Steradent and stairlifts?

  127. 127
    Sir Aston Martin says:

    There was a bungalow on the A32 called “The Wheels” and a sign in the pull-in by the gates said “No Turning”.

  128. 128
    Sir Aston Martin says:

    He was being guarded by Securicor.

  129. 129
    Diane Abott says:

    Here we go again!

    “Black Ice Alert As More Snow Hits Britain”

  130. 130
    Letwinism Watch says:

    In that case Theresa May cut off its Balls

  131. 131
    Bent Copper says:

    What’s new?

  132. 132
    bewick says:

    I already told TPA what I think. Bottom line is that Cllr Walsh is right that the law makes it mandatory but the law provides no “CAP” or guidance.
    Public Authorities IAnd private companies) are left to “interpret” and most get it expensively wrong.
    That needs to be changed pronto. I speak as one who ENDURED the nonsense in Local Authorities where unions could do whatever they wished (Labour council naturally) . ‘nough said.

  133. 133
    Bogeyman says:

    Don’t understand. Why should her hair not be cut “for medical reasons”? Is the possibility offending the sensibilities of a demented gipsy more important than hospital hygiene these days?

  134. 134
    not a machine says:

    At least Tim put a little balance in full history of Bill and others who signed it off , and as he says rather late in the day for a few to decide its not the flavour now desired .At the moment certainly lit some sort of fuse , I have my theories , but PMs have to make cabinet decisions at certain points in there tenure and none are worse than coalition ones ,

    Prescott : shouldnt he let somehave the job who hasnt got one . as for detective possibilities (Kojag lol ) anyone recall Frank Cannon , I never did work out how he caught those much slimmer criminals on a foot chase !
    Oh well get ready for new detective series called Humber Nights

  135. 135
    Screw the lot of them says:

    Screw the lot of them.

  136. 136
    Baroness ""disgraced troughing Labour peer"Uddin says:

    You go girl!

  137. 137
    Mustafa Dump says:

    You are forgetting that Peterborough has had the privilege of welcoming a very large number of foreign guests over the last decade.

    We are proud of the richness and vibrancy they have brought to the city and the least we can do is give them proper union representation to ensure their rights are not infringed.

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    fuck of Dave Cameron and all political scum wankers says:

    My passport was issued in Peterborough. Don’t know whether it is still operational.

    Perhaps the dole/benefit seeking immigrant scum think that if they live nearby they’ll get one too.

  139. 139
    Anonymous says:

    Humberside Constabularly 2015

  140. 140
    Joss Taskin says:

    Still waiting for a taxi, Ms. Fatbott ?

  141. 141
    This is what corruption looks like says:

    Not as long as it will take these Trams to be completed.

  142. 142
    Welcome to the Big Society says:

    Full of Self serving hypocritical big-mouthed lard-arsed bollocks-talking limp wristed idiots, – but no stupid they can’t claim every f***ing penny off the tax-payed.

    bastards – hang the lot of them – and anyone who brought them into being.

  143. 143
    AC1 says:

    raised is such a under-descriptive term, I prefer the accurate word “extorted”.

  144. 144
    say what you see says:

    Exactly, the union Hooooooooons don’t have a damned clue.

  145. 145
    Perverse Diversity says:

    And we all know what ‘vibrant’ means too don’t we children!

  146. 146
    The BBC ( its not called white city for nothing) says:

    More “snow” did you say ?

  147. 147
    Ken Livingstone says:

    I can never get a taxi around Soho. The whole area is riddled with queers.

  148. 148
    Fish says:

    O/T: Despite the BBC’s repeated attempts to get me to be outraged, I couldn’t care a toss about Bob Diamond’s bonus…or anyone else who works for Barclay’s. Nor does anyone else I know, for that matter.

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    Cynical-old-bag says:


  150. 150
    The Paragnostic says:

    Mainly because “paragnostic” has nothing whatsoever to do with “agnostic” – it merely means “knowing lots of useless shit” which kind of sums me up ;-)

  151. 151
    Marcus Aurelius says:

    but the voters are not the same as the taxpayers

    most voters are on benfits and not paying the tax innit

  152. 152
    I Remember You Hoo says:

    The marxist “charity” Common Purpose, infest Peterborough, party badges are meaningless.

  153. 153
    Hardworking British Family-Man ( Retired ) says:

    According to the Urban Dictionary, there is no consensus on the meaning.
    Perhaps you could submit yours.

  154. 154
    Mangledbum says:

    Spelling……Arsen will go down

  155. 155
    Jon and son says:

    We’re never far away£££££££££££££

  156. 156
    Basic says:

    Go sub and repeat

  157. 157
    Basic says:

    Go sub and repe@t

  158. 158
    A snowflake says:

    Let’s panic!

  159. 159
    Ah! Monika says:

    The call yourself A Bright ( qv)

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    £5 Million BBC pilgrim with gold-plated pension says:

    We’re about 300% with all our trough perks at the BBC. We’ve got so much cash swilling about that nobody notices.

  161. 161
    I Remember You Hoo says:

    Oh, I would say about as long as it takes the thick as shit Conservative idiots to realise that the current Conservative leadership is socialism ‘lite’ and proud of it.

  162. 162
    I Remember You Hoo says:

    Arsen will go down on any willing schoolboy.

  163. 163
    A Camertwat enthusiast says:

    Well you can trust Cammers to put that right! . . . . oh wait a mo . . .

  164. 164
    ffs! says:

    Still busting a gut? Nothing will change without a bloody revolution. Clear out the shite and start again. You know it too but are probably too polite to mention it.

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    I don't need no doctor says:

    Union members pay subs to the union. What are the subs for, to pay the union bosses 6 figure salaries and big pensions, or to fund union activities. It should be the latter, so Pilgrims should be funded by union subs, and not taxpayers money.
    It is simple, no argument. The coalition need to get it sorted and quick! Let’s fuck up Miliband and his cronies and send a lesson to their paymasters.

  166. 166
    Some Geezer wot thinks that before you make Pascal's Bet, find out if Pascal is a bookie says:

    Of course, in some Councils, if certain people had their way, the prayers would be conducted on a rug, facing east, “There is no god but God and His Prophet is Muhammad…” and if you didn’t like it, you would be called a xenophobic bigot, and at worst, you could possibly end up a decapitated infidel. That is, if certain people would ever be able to have their way.

  167. 167
    old slapper says:

    eh but we know a few tricks the youngsters don’t!

  168. 168
    annette curton says:

    118 118, in-junctions cost extra.

  169. 169
    Handycock No1 Trougher in Parliament says:

    Local Government is the last bastion of unreformed blatant corruption in this country. Nothing will come of it, as all political Parties garner huge funds from planning corruption. I should know because I have been in local government for 45 years, been involved and Head of planning for most of those years, in the most corrupt local Authority in th UK, Portsmouth. Boaz.

  170. 170
    Anonymous says:

    What are “Strategic Communications”? Isn’t that just pretentious PR?

  171. 171
    Sir William Waad says:

    Whan that Aprill, with his shoures soote
    The droghte of March hath perced to the roote…..
    ……Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages;
    They swynken not, but paide they are ful wages!

  172. 172
    Anonymous says:

    You mean like Kirklees ??

  173. 173
    annette curton says:

    BBC hurried update of weather report, motorists should beware of dark ice on roads.

  174. 174
    Bystander #4 says:

    Hell hath no fury like a Pilgrim scorned!

  175. 175
    AC1 says:

    State treatment rationing? Tick
    Big State propaganda broadcaster? Tick.
    Legal system heavy on thought-crime lite on real crime? Tick

  176. 176
    Michael says:

    Pis of, yu impursonatur, I av didicated my lif to public servis.

  177. 177
    MiLord Prezza of Clott says:

    Just you watch it toff! me and my biker friends will be round yours like a like a like a like a like lik lik lik li li li li l l l l l l oh f8ck!

  178. 178
  179. 179
    Never mind all that!!!! says:

    WTF is the No.10 Behavioural Insight Team !!!!!????

    Camertwat is one big snowball

  180. 180
    annette curton says:

    Steady on old chap don’t mangle Chaucer.


  181. 181
    Never mind all that!!!! says:

    F8ck f8ck the lot of them!!!

  182. 182
    Yeah but no but says:

    we ‘av to s’port the yoof – don’t we ?

  183. 183
    Mrs Business Cat (specializing in yarns, Cdn owned & op.) says:

    “Cabinet for Community, Cohesion and Safety.” Look guys. The party is over. Manufacturing is not coming back from China and Europe and North America and Australia and NZ have to deal with it. We cannot afford this crap anymore!

    (Canada and Oz somewhat better off due to natural resources we can flog–Oz sells iron ore and coal to China. Canada sells oil to the US–if Obama does not get re-elected Canada might the green light to extend the pipeline to the Gulf Coast and then we could sell it abroad. Right now, oil is about $20 a barrel cheaper in N.A. due to this).

  184. 184
    Local Government Ombudsman says:

    Local Government cannot be corrupt because I regulate it.

  185. 185
    nellnewman says:

    Actually Guido your headline the ‘Real cost of Peterborough Pilgrims’ is way short of the mark.

    You’ve only found two of them. There’s probably as many as 15 and possibly even more than that. What about the one’s in the Police Force, the Fire Brigade, the Schools and the NHS?

  186. 186
  187. 187
    Mrs Business Cat (specializing in yarns, Cdn owned & op.) says:

    But no one is paying you enter comments on this blog, unless you are being a bit sly at work.

  188. 188
    The Paragnostic says:

    There’s a definition for “paragnosis”, which is somewhat dodgily defined as similar to paranoia, except that you know the buggers are out to get you.

    I have to admit to coining the word myself, vaguely in line with Greek para (beside or beyond) and gnosis (knowing). The idea being that what is being known really, really isn’t worth remembering, but is remembered anyway.

    Then there’s also my good friend the Askylist, who doesn’t believe in Dog.

  189. 189
    annette curton says:

    Must be hallucinating again, what’s all that white stuff out the window?.

  190. 190
    Mrs Business Cat (specializing in yarns, Cdn owned & op.) says:


  191. 191
  192. 192
    The Football Association says:


  193. 193
    ffs! says:

    Who the fuck does he think he is FFS?

    Put yourself up for erection election you c’unt!

  194. 194
    The Paragnostic says:

    Fine – let them do it that way if they like. With a Moslem dominated council, a few prayers would be the least of your worries, anyway.

    My point is that if the majority of councillors want to have a prayer of whatever sort before starting their business, then it’s pretty churlish of someone to object just because they might feel uncomfortable. I would hope that most of us would be polite enough to just let them get on with it, and use the time to think about something else of slightly more interest.

  195. 195
    Sir Jimmy Saville says:

    I just get adverts for boyz and girlz.

  196. 196
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Snort a line now.

  197. 197
    This is Britain 2012 says:

    You couldnt make this up, its diversity innit


  198. 198
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Abbott is a racist of the worst kind.

  199. 199
    The Paragnostic says:

    Thought crime?

    Like sending three blokes to prison just for upsetting the pink brigade by telling the truth about Islam and homosexuality?

    I’m no cheerleader for the Moslems, but today’s sentences were a total liberty and about as un-British as it is possible to get.

    If queers don’t like what Sharia law says should happen to them, then they should take care not to allow Sharia over here, not lock people up for pointing out that their lifestyle choice isn’t compatible with a particular religion.

  200. 200
    Anonymous says:

    Pottyborough is a rotten borough, sinking into a mire of corruption, outsourcing wheezes, dodgy property interests, pandering to Islamists, scandalous waste (£11M to lay slabs in the Square) and ever more bizarre vanity projects from the Leader. The MP is obviously digging and hinting.

  201. 201
    The Paragnostic says:

    You are a Spurs fan and I claim my £5

  202. 202
    St Polly of Tuscany says:

    Piss off, where will I get my next pay cheque from you bastard?

  203. 203
    I don't need no doctor says:

    They have toilets in Wales?

  204. 204
    Ken "wrong bandwagon" Livingstone says:

    I can never get a taxi in Soho, too riddled with poofs.

  205. 205
    The Paragnostic says:

    Doesn’t surprise me in the least.

    Makes me think of the Spike Milligan limerick:

    “There once was a man from Darjeeling
    Who boarded a bus bound for Ealing
    It said on the door
    Do not spit on the floor,
    So he stood up and spat on the ceiling.”

  206. 206
    Fruitbat says:


  207. 207
    MUMPS says:

    For I=1:1 Do Whatever If Bored Quit

  208. 208
    Bogeyman says:

    A university spokeswoman said: “Swansea University is a multi-cultural campus community and the informational posters were produced, for use in both male and female facilities, to help address cultural differences that were unfortunately causing damage and hygiene issues.

    What are they doing at university, of all places, if they can’t work out that a seat 2ft off the ground is for sitting on, not for shitting on?

  209. 209
    The Biased BBC says:

    More to the point, who do the BBC think he is?

    He is just like me, an unelected Conservative voter, no more no less

    But the BBC portray him as the official voice of the conservative party, WHY?

  210. 210
    Prezza in prison says:

    Is this a Swansea University student then ?

  211. 211
    Ah! Monika says:

    What was all the fuss about? Divide by zero. Simps.
    Answer = int.

  212. 212
    Prezza on bail says:


    The student has to get in the right position stupid…like this

  213. 213
    Prezza exploded says:

    The motto of Swansea University, in case you did not know is :

    I shit thus I can think

  214. 214
    Mustafa Dump says:

    An outrageous comment. The New Citizens of Peterborough have brought a richness of diversity that was sadly lacking in a hideously white East Anglian city of inbreds with 13 fingers apiece.

  215. 215
    eh????? says:

    dark as opposed to ….. light????

    i’m joining daisy cutter – drop one, – no two, on the BBC – urgent-ly!

  216. 216
    Must not mention says:

    the Liva.pool 47 or 50-3 or whatever it takes to get past the moddy

  217. 217
    A neurologist to the chavs says:

    but without shit what would the person think with?

  218. 218
    Lavatory technician and member of Unite on strike says:

    In my professional opinion, after examining lavatories for many years,

    I would recommend that the Chancellor and Lord High Dean of Swansea University give the order to remove the lavatory seats altogether…

    It is better to be safe than sorry…

    And the seats are clearly worth more than the students I would say, as a unionised expert,

  219. 219
    Bogeyman says:

    No, seriously. Before my first visit to an Asian country I had already explored the sanitation arrangements and knew all about squat-type shitters, hoses instead of paper etc. It wasn’t difficult to find out.

    So why is a Thomas Crapper such a surprise to these students? If they are so uninterested in the cultural arrangements of the country in which they plan to spend the next two or three years “studying”, why do they bother to come? Are they even up to taking a degree course if they can’t work out how to take a dump?

  220. 220
    Ah! Monika says:

    Phd Swansea

    Pee high dive No. 2.1 passed

  221. 221
    This is Britain 2012 says:

    Soon to be Police Chief of humberside

  222. 222
    Ships Toilet Cleaner says:

    i dont want to give the pigrimms one penny piece.
    however i would prefer to give a pilrimm money than the banker in a cheap suit, rumpy pumpy

  223. 223
    Enoch says:

    I warned you. Rivers of shite

  224. 224
    Le Monde correspondent says:

    There must be hundreds if not thousands of pilgrims in the BBC

    Anyone have an idea ?

    Any abuse in a small local authority should be multiplied by about 100 to get to the BBC’s level of abuse

  225. 225
    No 10 Downing Street communiqué says:

    We call these students our “blue sky” children you see

    They will form an ever increasing part of the Big Society

    Charities will flourish teaching them all how to use a lavatory seat

    And we can enhance the status of lavatory attendants at the same time (and unionise them)

    All very socially worthwhile

  226. 226
    The Boss at No 10 Downing Street says:

    Is that you again Hilton ?

    Please shut up now. If you go on like this, we will lose the next election…


    Call me Dave

  227. 227
    Anoneumouse says:

    He who would valiant be ’gainst all disaster,
    Let him in constancy follow the Master.
    There’s no discouragement shall make him once relent
    His first avowed intent to be a pilgrim.

    Who so beset him round with dismal stories
    Do but themselves confound – his strength the more is.
    No foes shall stay his might; though he with giants fight,
    He will make good his right to be a pilgrim.

    Since, Lord, Thou dost defend us with Thy Spirit,
    We know we at the end, shall life inherit.
    Then fancies flee away! I’ll fear not what men say,
    I’ll labor night and day to be a pilgrim.

  228. 228
    Mark Lawrenson says:

    But is she any good on the right wing?

  229. 229
    Ricky Preddie says:

    iz itt cozz i is blak?

  230. 230
    a doctor asks says:

    Are you an utter hoon all the time or merely a temporary tribal tosser?

  231. 231
    fuck the refund, don't fuck with my pc though says:

    What the fuck is ‘advertserve’ and why the hell should I permit any old shit scripts to run?

  232. 232
    wtf says:

    Attempting to post here is becoming even more of a fucking pain in the backside than commenting on CiF.

    What is going on? Been got at you pair of old fat 70’s throwback poofs?

    Man up ffs!

  233. 233
    Unaligned voter says:

    Not much choice mate. Labour = crap = boll*ocks. Tories will always attack the NHS.

  234. 234
    Simon Burns MP says:

    If I am the best that Tory HQ can think to put on Newsnight then we’re fucked.

  235. 235
    Durr says:

    Why can’t Prescott jut feck orf.

  236. 236
    A fast-fading fairy says:

    Τhіs соmmеnt wіll bе dеlеtеd sооn, lіkе аll іnstruсtіоns оf thіs kіnd, sо сору іt bеfоrе іt gоеs.

    Yоu dоn’t hаνе tо sее аnу оf thеsе sіllу thіngs. Τhіs іs hоw tо kіll thеm аll, stоnе dеаd, fоr еνеr.

    Fіrеfоx: іnstаll thе Аdblосk Рlus аnd ΝоSсrірt аdd-оns.
    Сhrоmе: іnstаll thе Аdblосk аdd-оn, stор sсrірts оn thіs sіtе bу аddіng іts nаmе tо thе lіst аt Орtіоns — Undеr thе Bоnnеt — Соntеnt Sеttіngs — ЈаνаSсrірt — Mаnаgе Еxсерtіоns.
    Іntеrnеt Еxрlоrеr: wаkе uр аnd usе а bеttеr brоwsеr.

  237. 237
    Spartacus says:

    the book ‘our enemy the state’ written a long time ago, but still sounds fresh today, talks of ‘confiscation’ of wealth.

  238. 238
    Bingo Hylton says:

    Lets not forget all these government appointed jobsworth most of whom were appointed by Liebour still sucking on the public tit.

  239. 239
    not a machine says:

    How can an athiest tell the difference between a faith and no faith ? a little like declining insurance as accidents are myths ?
    If ambivalence has to be controlled en masse ,poltics no longer can be a divining of the truth …. always did think socialism would be shown as crackpot idea one day , I think they have inadvertantly shown us a glimpse of what the christian vanquished landscape would imply , busyly distracted, biological end user of perfect reason alone based authority . mmm How many cabinet members are backing that :) we should know …….. I think I worked out under which walnut the pea was :)
    S&P downgrades 35 italian banks and we all pause for breath for Sundays possible, maybe, in the pipeline, sort of , forthcomming, on the cards showdown in Athens

  240. 240
    not a machine says:

    What I find so funny is that labour had gone quite a way down the private internal market , and Lansley is near enough the only one who understands it wasnt an improving system , i reapeat Labour have not denied the basic of GP comissioning is what they agree as the thinking .
    I am in disbelief that Lansley has saved the NHS from , total privatisation and medical groups cant see it , tin foil hats to left ,outstanding :)

    Lammy and Hassan double act was interesting , got all rather hot , nicely rehearseh though .

  241. 241
    the Orthognostic says:

    Straighten up, Para. And fly right.

  242. 242
    cunts the lot of them says:

    “Her friend Teresa Jenkins said she welcomed any move that would improve hygiene on the campus.

    “It is important to do as much as possible to keep the toilets clean,” she added.”

    Stupid, stupid woman. If the dirty c’unts can’t use a toilet properly what the hell are they doing at a “university” in the first place FFS?

    W A N K E R S

  243. 243
    Trivia Magnified says:

    Are you free to join the pub darts team for the weekly quiz on Saturday?

  244. 244
    smoggie says:

    Middlesbrough. Spell it correctly, FFS.

  245. 245
    albacore says:

    Shut it, now, Bloke. We don’t talk about that
    Too many folks would start smelling a rat
    Not that it ain’t right there up their noses
    Nominally, all sweetness and roses
    Behold, the state’s official position
    Here turns from inclusion to omission
    This don’t fit the facade. They’ve wiped it out
    It’s too big a scandal to talk about

  246. 246
    Mark Hendry says:

    But just think of all the overtime you’ll be able to claim for dealing with it.

  247. 247
    Torquemada says:

    And there I was racking my brains for a way to deal with them.

  248. 248
    smoggie says:

    They stand on the toilet seat for two reasons. Squatting is their normal way of taking a crap and for everyone’s information, it is a more natural way of defecating allowing for better bowel movement. Also, they do not want their arses connected with some infected plastic that everyone else has sat on.

    When I worked in the middle east after we had built a local college for the local ragheads we found that the bogs all got blocked within days. The locals did what they did in the desert – used little stones to scrape their bums, not the provided paper. These went in the pan as was discovered when some poor soul had to clear them.

    So we put up signs in Arabic – PLEASE USE THE PAPER

    A week or two later, same problem: blockages.

    Again after clearing the U-bends they were found to be full of little stones and … check dis … all carefully wrapped in toilet paper.

  249. 249
    Corrupt Local Government is in great need of Reform says:

    That being the case, what about this then?


    and this?


  250. 250
    GDS says:

    I thought it was spelled SHITHOLE

  251. 251
    Archer Karcher says:

    Any corrupt organisation like the NHS, where it costs £300 to change a lightbulb, needs attacking on a regular basis.

  252. 252
    Archer Karcher says:


  253. 253
    Liv Long and May Kaprophet says:

    Piss be upon you.

  254. 254
    Lord Chief Justice of England says:

    The UK High Court action by the Schillings law firm, acting for Nathaniel Rothschild in a libel claim against the Daily Mail and Associated Newspapers, was dismissed today by Justice Sir Michael Tugendhat. The ruling also undermines libel threats by Schillings acting for Deripaska against newspapers in South Africa, Hong Kong, London, and the US, setting a new standard for reporting on the business affairs of Russian oligarchs, their bankers, and public officials whom they attempt to influence.

  255. 255
    $hillings and pence says:


    Lost another case for defamation…this is costing Nat Rothschild and co millions

  256. 256
    Jack says:

    It is high time British lawyers stopped trying to whitewash Russian oligarchs and their sidekicks like Mandelscum

    Or is this the only way they can survive ?

  257. 257
    Le Monde correspondent says:

    Now that the banks are in thr shit

    London lawyers are scrambling for income from anywhere

    But they have lost their reputation already

  258. 258
    Dave the Dictator - Escape to the Cunt-ry says:

    Well, welcome to my newly downsized home. As you can see it’s got a lovely, modern, 8 foot square kitchen with an electric cooker ring and a cupboard. I can fix the broken door myself. The lounge has a lovely aspect to it looking out over the multi-storey car park. The traffic is quite busy and lorries scrape the paint off my front door but hey, it’s great. The bedroom is large enough for a single bed but I’m sure Sam will remember our younger days of snuggling up together. The bathroom is small, I know, but I can use my electric razor in the hallwaay and lean into it to have a shave. Sam’s fine about. We’ll manage

  259. 259
    Anonymous says:

    Fat Cat Unions should pay their own way, not expect the taxpayer the majority of which are not union members to keep them in lifestyle we can no longer afford. Blame Labour.

  260. 260
    I don't need no doctor says:

    What do you expect for £26,000 a year?

  261. 261
    Local Government Ombudsman says:

    Here I am showing how dynamic I am in dealing with incompetent and corrupt councils, I hope these rumours that the Local Government Ombudsman covers up for incompetent Councils can now be put to bed.

  262. 262
    Penfold says:

    Strange aint it, that MP’s expenses enthused the whole nation and resulted in cross party condemnation.
    I don’t see LieBour or the Unions getting enthused at the waste of taxpayers monies, mayhap the reason being they are the benficiaries of the monies. But, its a damning indictment of so-called people’s independant representatives, i.e. MP’s, that those at Liebour have remained very tight-lipped over this scandal.
    You don’t think they’ve been bought do you? No, surely not, in the 21st Century, with all the rules over Bribery and Corruption, surely a political party couldn’t be bought and sold like in some third world African/Asian tin pot dictatorship. Gosh.
    Time for Pilgrims to be extirpated and the costs repaid.
    It’s a scandal, and a wretched one at that.

  263. 263
    Mr Charles Head Teacher & PartTime Olympic Athlete says:

    the 26,000 a year you speak of is a maximum per family – it is not an amount anyone can claim

    e.g job seekers is still only 67.50

    you poor boy, go to the back of the class

  264. 264
    lgowatcher says:

    If you are a normal complainant forget the LGO because they are a waste of time and effort and bury most Local Authority wrongdoing.

    They gave Wirral Council a clean bill of health and we all know what is happening there at the moment. Even questions in Parliament.


    However, if you are an MP with a high profile case which may result in some positive spin for the LGO then you may well find the biased LGO useful.


  265. 265
    Anonymous says:

    Labour Councils like Lambeth spend ten time as much on their pilgrims at the same time as cutting things that do not cost them anything (but might upstage the Olympics) like the 38th Lambeth Country show – and offering funds instead “to community groups to run smaller festivals”.

    Tessa Jowell (shadow Olympics Minister and one of these who supported the Zil lanes that will paralyse London and help cost the UK economy more that the Olympics could ever hope to generate) supports the canellation because “Thre will be great pressure on all our police resources and teh hsow requires a great deal of policing”. Meanwhile the police has said that the decision to bin the event at short notice was the council’s alone and they would have “supported them in any deciison they would have made.”

    Who agreed the provison of Zil lanes for “the Olympic Family” to travel from West End hotels across London, as opposed to what was necessary to ferry athletes to venues outside walking distance from their accommodation? Who was consulted? Were their decisions legal? Is it too late, in any case, to call for judicial review with a view to confining the lanes to athletes and/or a couple of hours in the morning to get to the Games venues only.

    Where are the programme to entertain the NEETs of London who have not yet been able to steal HDTVs and smartphones to watch, of are they be expected to be busy robbing those watching on big screens outside the security zone, alongside the worlds pickpockets.

  266. 266
    Little by little says:

    That’s been their idea all along. Somewhere has a long standing tradition of informal Christian worship before meetings and suddenly introducing a certain other worship would be difficult as the existing practice has no official status. It’s just the way things are done.

    Oh dear, someone is trying to ban the existing practice, we’ll have to introduce a statutory right to worship before council meetings.

    The new law gets enforced for a certain favoured religion but not for the original one.

  267. 267
    st fm says:

    LOL and so the tory rabble sings its song of hate..
    Right wing scum all the same..

  268. 268
    Margaret Thatcher says:

    What’s her Phd in, something useless like ‘public services’ from the Open University? Typical public sector, calling herself Dr instead of Jane Martin Phd. Looks to me like another overqualified public servant with little ability, as the posts above testify to. They were useless when I was PM, even more so now, by the look of things.

  269. 269
    nellnewman says:

    The Most Beautiful Voice Ever!!

  270. 270
    Eric Pickles has let us down badly says:

    1. Local Government is till corrupt and incompetent.
    2. It is too expensive and a burden on the taxpayer.
    3. It’s mediocre officers are paid far too much.
    4. There are too many levels of management.
    5. There is not enough outsourcing.
    6. It’s performance and service delivery is abysmal.
    7. It is not regulated properly.
    8. It’s Regulator is corrupt (see above)

  271. 271
    Archbishop Desmond Tutu says:

    Because I think taxpayers shouldn’t subsidize trade unions I am scum according to you?

    My local council has 8 trade union staff. The have free office space, computers, internet, phones, photocopying. They have access to free computer training courses. They even have paid administrative assistance. On top of this the council pay pension contributions and employers national insurance. Across the country in hospitals, schools, councils, government departments this amounts to a subsidy that is over £100m a year.

    It won’t be long until trade union members have to pay the true cost of their membership – possibly double what they currently pay or more! We will see how many members what to remain when they have to pay the true cost and they realise what bad value for money it is. Boys the gravy train has left town and now you are going to have to pay!

  272. 272
    Chief Executive Society of Local Authority Chief Executives (SOLACE) says:

    We have been creaming it for years by providing useless courses to Councils, that are not required, and we charge top dollar for. On average every Council in the land spends about £100,000 a year on these useless courses and most of it is pure profit, tax free, because we are a registered charity, and all paid for by the taxpayer. Thanks. Must go now and arrange for some council officers to move to other councils, doing the same job, but on double the pay.

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