January 30th, 2012

Another FactCheck Fiction For Ken

Channel Four’s FactCheck is rarely disputed with much vigour. Most people seem to take their rulings on the chin and move on, except of course if you are Ken Livingstone. Last week his supporters were frothing that C4 had dared to challenge their voodoo “Fare Deal” figures. Retaliations were pushed to unpopular parts of the blogosphere and the usual level of Twitter vitriol was thrown about. Well it seems that didn’t go unnoticed with the FactCheck team who have given Ken another slap this morning:

The claim:
“Fares might be soaring, but the service is plummeting! Delays and line closures have become a daily part of Londoners’ lives.”
“Sack Boris” election leaflet, 30 January 2012

The verdict:
The figures speak for themselves, and the difference in passenger hours lost – an average of a million a month more under Ken – is particularly striking.

It’s like shooting fish…


87 Comments

  1. 1
    Racked off says:

    No matter, the lefties would eat crap of the plate if Ken and Labour dished it up them and told them it the latest delicacy.

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    • 12
      Up sh1t creek says:

      No stop lies from Livingslime…..

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      • 19
        misterned says:

        Since when has truth or facts ever mattered to the lefties? Their entire global paradigm is based upon illogical and self-contradictory delusions. They need all the lies to tape their reality together. Confusing them with truthful facts is no way to win them over.

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      • 31
        Fares unfair says:

        Ken is not telling the truth on the bus fares. He says when he left office the bus fare was 90p, that’s an outright lie. He raised the cash fare to £2 no matter how short the journey, up from 70p when he became mayor. He likes to claim this low fare if you only use his tracking travel card (Oyster), he “forgets” about those that use cash.

        Don’t forget, using an Oyster card they keep your travel details forever, for “your security” you understand. Same way the congestion charge system keeps details of all vehicles forever, also for “your security”.

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        • 63
          Anonymous says:

          I think at this point when there is CCTV taking your photo every few seconds worrying about being tracked via Oyster Cards or the Congestion charge system is irrelevant, besides if you have nothing to hide, there’s nothing to track.

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    • 23
      Troglodyte City says:

      Who gives a shit about the underground? It only runs in the Afro/Asian city of London with its white liberal Lefty elite.

      The rest of the country travels above ground.

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      • 52
        jgm2 says:

        The Tube is just a habit. Even in London, once you get used to the fact that you can walk anywhere in 20 minutes or half an hour from one of the overground stations then there’s no need to set foot in the fucking place again. They should tear out the tube tracks and turn them into pavements and/or cycle paths.

        Bob Crow is as short-sighted as Red Robbo. Even if they don’t tear up the tracks and turn them into underground cycle-paths his actions are only hastening the day when the entire tube network gets automated.

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        • 55
          Alizee the beast of paris says:

          TRUE
          I walk everywhere or if its pissing down get a taxi, getting from my place to marble arch takes 10 minutes longer on foot (not running) than a bus or a taxi and I get the benefit of burning calories plus staying fit and I wouldnt get in the tube to take a shit , its full of miserable fuckers who hate themselves
          Probably why Lyinscum used to take taxis (paid for by us) all the time

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          • jgm2 says:

            I’ve a bit of respect for bus dr*iv*ers. They do at least have to keep an eye out for other traffic and remember their route and where the stops are and put up with drunk/violent members of the public.

            But tube dr*iv*ers? What’s to fucking well know? Red light stop. Green light go.

            Then to read that average pay is over 40K a year.

            WHAT? Over 40K a year for being able to tell the difference between red and green? God alone knows how much they’d want for being able to identify all the colours of the rainbow.

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        • 77
          I Hate Tesco AND the Pope says:

          Bob Crow is a thick, bigoted, overpaid moron with an IQ the same as his hat size – 7 and 7 eighths.

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      • 53
        Julie Davies says:

        I am given a choice of limo’s by Haringey to get me to my non-teaching teaching-post at school…. so, up yours.

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      • 54
        Put Housing Benefit Claimants into Caravans says:

        Agreed but it’s probably also full of fully funded Pilgrimaires.

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    • 70
      Pointless politicking: they're all the same says:

      Not this lefty.

      Never vote in fake elections for fake politicians.

      They’re all the same, ‘Red’ Ken included.

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  2. 2
    Pickled Wizard says:

    In kens case, pissed fish

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  3. 4
    William Pitt says:

    What does 2,700,000 lost customer minutes mean every four weeks? or just under 10,000 a day…

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    • 5
      William Pitt says:

      er, make that 100,000.. does that mean 70 staff are off “sick” every day?

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      • 24
        Moi says:

        Its a way of measuring delays assuming average loading for the time of day and area. Delays at places like Theydon Bois or Oakwood at 10pm are worth fewer minutes than somewhere like Holborn during the peak as fewer people would be aboard each affected train.

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        • 83
          Anonymous says:

          [Note for non-London residents: Theydon Bois was on a pointless branch line and was closed in the mid-1980s; Oakwood is a pleasant residential suburb to the north of London which somehow retains a direct service to Heathrow, even though its main function is to distribute freesheets which allow you to avoid eye contact with strangers]

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    • 15

      It’s basically the number of hours people were delayed for.

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  4. 6
    mark says:

    fact is for a city like london both livingstone and johnson have failed on the tube. Ch4 should have added cost and a comparison with other cities. livingstone and johnson would have scored badly on that too.

    of course, if shagger johnson hadn’t been too busy with his bikes (aka tory totty) the tube would be in a far better state.

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  5. 7
    Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson says:

    I say old chaps, vote for me you bunch of c’unts!

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  6. 8
    8i11y 8owd3n says:

    I need some man love.

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  7. 9
    Bogeyman says:

    This is just like Leninscum’s last effort when he claimed that fares had gone up more under Boris. All data – apart from his own – showed the exactly opposite.

    He is a shit of the first order. Trouble is, he knows that most people are either too stupid or don’t have time to dig deeper into the facts so he relies on bare-faced lies.

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    • 17
      jgm2 says:

      That’s his M.O though isn’t it. Indeed it’s Labour’s M.O all over.

      The truth is an inconvenience to be side-stepped, subverted or out-right denied. To them it doesn’t matter that they’re lying. Because their ’cause’ is just. The end justifies the means. Yeah, so we fucked up – but as long as we deny we fucked up then we can do the same fucking stupid thing again and again and again. Even though it is demonstrably wrong.

      They still haven’t accepted responsibility for destroying the UK economy. They’re still flogging the banks, they’re even flogging the bloke they brought in to try and sort it out. Anything at all to keep up the big lie that it was all the banks fault and that Labour were utterly blameless. Just so that in 5 or 10 years time they can do the same fucking stupid thing again. And act all surprised and blame some other poor bastard when they fuck it all up again.

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    • 41
      Grumpy Old Man says:

      Labour are working to that good old Stalinist saw, “A Lie will be half-way round the world before the Truth can get his boots on”. Miliband on Scotland and Hester and Ken on practically everything are sticking rigidly to this piece of Lefty philosophy.
      As well as Ch 4, there’s a blog called,Full Fact”, which demolishes some of the more outre statements by our politicians. Worth subscribing to.

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  8. 10
    genghiz the kahn says:

    Livingstone hits the buffers, as his points fail to derail Boris.

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  9. 11
    Stat Tractor says:

    Why not just ask the customers if they’re happy with the service?

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    • 26
      The BBC says:

      Because customers are potential Tory voters and therefore biased.

      To get to the truth, you need some independent organisation you can trust to present their interpretation of the data, like us

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      • 48
        rubik101 says:

        Duh? How on earth can you say that the people who use the tube are Tories? Oh, I see, you were being sarcastic! Amazing. I would never have guessed that wasn’t written by the real BBC!
        You wag you.

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  10. 14
    Drop a Daisy cutter on the BBC says:

    How can Ed Miliband NOT be the leader of this nation? The BBC are treating him like he’s the reincarnation of Jesus, hanging on every word from this prophet of common sense.

    Today Ed tells the BBC that Cameron has failed by not limiting bankers bonuses, the BBC take every word as fact, of course non believers and climate change deniers might wonder what Ed was doing when in power for 13 years when banker bonuses got totally out of hand, but the BBC of course won’t dare question the bug eyed messiah.

    The BBC are chilling the champers for Ed’ great victory in 2015.

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    • 18
      Cynical-old-bag says:

      The BBC are chilling the champers for Ed’ great victory in 2015.

      Nice to know our license fee is going towards something worthwhile.

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    • 34
      Sophie says:

      Dont pay the BBC. Starve the beast.

      It is the only way.

      I am years into non payment.

      No court. No more TV Licensing gestapo. I will not pay them.

      Start the process yourself by writing to TV Licensing & removing their Implied Right of Access to your propoerty. Send it Special Delivery. If any employee or representative then sets foot on your porperty they are commiting a criminal offence – aggravated trespass.

      It has worked for me – & I have immenses satisfaction that not a single penny of my money is being used for pro Labour, pro EU, pro immigration anti British BBC propaganda.

      Fuck the BBC.

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      • 49
        Tessa Tickles says:

        “I am years into non payment.”

        12+ years and counting.

        Although I went one better and got rid of the TV. There are only so many repeats of Dad’s Army that one can take, after all.

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    • 36
      BBC Comedy Department says:

      And remember that comedy shows don’t have to be unbiased so we expect lots of jokes about Cameron and Clegg and no mention of our glorious leader-in-waiting Ed.

      Don’t worry, no-one will notice how programs like R4’s “The News Quiz” and “Mock the Week” have become a tirade of half-truths and innuendo against the coalition, but hopefully listeners will take it in subconsciously and do the right thing in 2015! Hurrah!

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      • 42
        Anon says:

        How are the viewing and listening figures?

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      • 86
        joescotus says:

        just like the mathew shite show on ch5 any thing in the mail telegraph ect.. gets the usual lefty sneers never once heard gaurdian indy get panned…… panelled up with lefty cun-ts ,terry christian steve furst, and that big talentless austalian fudd mark ..can’t remember his name oh yes arsehole,

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    • 62
      Axe the TV Tax says:

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  11. 21
    Country boy says:

    Typical London-centric shite. Most of the population couldn’t give a bugger about the tube. Time to build that wall around the inside of the M25, methinks.

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    • 27
      Londoner says:

      I have wanted to keep the bumpkins out for years. I’ll agree to a wall as long as you all promise not to moan about it later

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      • 44
        Must get a pseudonym one day says:

        Easy – just get the Israel*s to help build a big wall like theirs, no gates – then we’ll just fill it up with water………
        Solved all London’s self-important problems at a stroke.
        Then the rest of us can got on with our lives and not be bothered with all that ego-centric south-east twaddle.

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    • 30
      all bankers says:

      If you don’t bow at our feet and sell your soul to us we will scream and scream until we are sick and might bugger off abroad.

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  12. 22
    jgm2 says:

    Followed your link ‘Don’t be that guy’.

    Loving the fact that the chap who posted that he’d like to see Laurie Penny strangled was in fact some bedwetter being ‘ironic’.

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    • 33
      Mmmm This Window Tastes Great says:

      So he says.

      I found it more amusing that Guido distanced himself and this blog from the comments. He is, of course, quite right to: no point in sticking up for psychotic Labour trolls

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  13. 28
    Parish Newsletter says:

    Yawn. There happens to be life outside of London.

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  14. 29
    Sandra says:

    I think an illegal immigrant amnesty will be forced through whether it is either of those prickes as Mayor.

    Thankfully I have left Londonistan forever – it is no longer an English city. Invaded without a shot being fired – thanks Labour, thanks Conservatives, thanks Liberals.

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    Anonymouse says:

    Shooting fish is actually surprisingly difficult. Refraction plus the uneven surface of water causes not only accurately pinpointing the fish to be a challenge, but it also serves to make the path of the bullet unpredictable. Add in a moving target and the rapid decceleration of the bullet make it quite the challenge. So if you were a betting man then, all in all, the odds on shooting a fish with your first shot almost makes for a less appealing prospect than Ed Miliband winning, well anything.

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    • 56

      Ockhams!

      With lots of fish in a barrel means you shoot and you are bound to hit one.

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    • 60
      Alizee the beast of paris says:

      That is why people bow hunt them
      Our French and American friends are into that
      Try it in Scotchland and you would get pursed lips and an och aye the noo on your way to prison

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    • 64
      jgm2 says:

      I think you’ll find the massive pressure wave kills the fish and they float to the top. It’s like dynamite fishing.

      It helps to dip an inch or so of the barrel into the water. Not too much though or you might find it blows up in your face.

      Not that I’ve ever gone trout fishing with a shotgun. Fuck no.

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      • 73
        Alizee the beast of paris says:

        fuck off withnail (+
        I once speared a carp in Lymm damn, just for fun and to see how it tasted
        Like mud actualy
        The best bit was the outrage that I caused to the carp anglers
        My opinion is that the best way to cook one is shit down its neck, throw it on a fire then pullit out and eat your own shit

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  17. 37
    Bob Crow says:

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  18. 38
    Ken is Scum says:

    Ken is Scum.

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  19. 39
    Tony B.Liar says:

    Did anyone watch ‘The Ghost’ last night?
    About a former Pm who allowed rendition and torture? Illegal wars and invasions?

    I liked it right up until the former Pm was assassinated. That wasn’t very nice, was it? In the director’s cut I hope the man gets knighthoods, pensions, well paid directorships, highly remunerated UN non jobs. And has a string of offshore companies to make all of his millions tax free. That would be a much happier and more realistic ending.

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    • 47
      Grumpy Old Man says:

      You forgot the presidency of the EU, which is why you became a pro-choice, gay marriage supporting Left Footer, wasn’t it?

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  20. 50
    Joss Ayinglike says:

    North London’s mendacious megalomaniac Ken Wrong ‘un ,would be better off in a socialists’ Utopia with North Korea’s mendacious megalomaniac, Kim Jong-un.

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  21. 58
    Tuscan Tony says:

    The Channel 4 factcheck page refers to a 30th January 2011 “Sack Boris” leaflet. 2012, surely, factcheckers.

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    • 69
      Alizee the beast of paris says:

      or in your case darling
      Fat checkers

      A blog for men of rapidly expanding girth with a penchant for golfing troos

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      • 71
        I'm boris and I approve this message says:

        This girl speaks the universal language of tits.

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        • 84
          Anonymous says:

          She kicks that overrated French heffalump with a name like their President’s gaffe into the proverbial hat that had a cock.

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  22. 61
    Axe the TV Tax says:

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  23. 75
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Livingstone Labour Liar.

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  24. 81
    Zings are go from vorse to bad says:

    Ah, ze walu of biziness intelligentz

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  25. 85
    Gordon's Wet Nurse says:

    Labour only has lies. These can all be beaten with the truths.

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  26. 87
    Dripfed says:

    Marvellous, and just ripe for making a simple 2 minute photoshop for.

    http://dripfeeds.blogspot.com/2012/01/so-ken-livingstone-is-massaging-truth.html

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