January 25th, 2012

Tax Transparency Bill Gets Second Reading

Ben Gummer’s tax transparency 10 Minute Rule Bill was just passed in the House and will come back for a second reading in March. Chris Bryant stood  up to oppose it on the grounds that “there are better things we could be doing”, and raised various technicalities, but to no avail. It makes you wonder what he doesn’t want the voters to know? The UK is a step closer having an itemised breakdown of how our money is spent. 


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    Taxpayer says:


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    Popeye says:

    Yeah, but a shifty sort of bloke that Chris Bryant?

  4. 4
    Peter Hain says:

    An assured performance by Ed today

  5. 5
    Rat's arse says:

    All that comes to my mind when Chris Bryant’s name is mentioned is him posing in front of a mirror in white Y-fronts, filming himself. When I first saw that picture, I thought Bryant had a Pamper nappy on. I just can’t take the little shite seriously.

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    Koba says:

    If only we could cross out what we don’t like and amend our tax calculation? Real democracy!

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    Desperate Dan says:

    I wonder what happened to that photograph of Chris Bryant posing in his
    y-fronts. Has anyone seen it recently?

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    Only me ! says:

    I luv this DUEMA stuff

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    witbooi says:

    Would be good to see how our money gets spent. Maybe we could cull a few MP’s, get less involved in armed conflict elsewhere in the world and separate from Scotland. That would simplify the breakdown for the Treasury…

  10. 10
    Ed's Spin Team says:

    Today’s instructions are to deluge blogs, phone-ins and tv broadcasts with unrealistic opinions about Ed’s performance. The words to use are “Ed was marvellous” “Ed was prime ministerial” “Ed humbled Cameron” “Ed in heading for No. 10″ “Ed is better than Cameron”……

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    t says:


    Google Chris Bryant and it’s 2nd on the list.

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    Ah! Monika says:

    Any point in raising a petition to help this through.?

    Or an viral email which can be copied and sent to local MPs

  13. 13
    jgm2 says:

    A separate line will be required for

    ‘Interest payments for debt and PFI payments ran up by Labour 1997 – 2007′

    That should have the bedwetters swallowing their tongues.

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    Peter says:

    All we need to add to this is the Swedish policy of putting people’s tax records on line and we would really have progress.

    Not only could you see what your taxes were paying for, you could also have a good guess as to why the guy with the Bently across the road was paying less than you.


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    Cynical-old-bag says:

    One sheet of paper won’t be enough.

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    Cynical-old-bag says:


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    Anonymous says:

    If he paid VAT on that Bentley he probably paid several times more tax than you!

  18. 18
    smoggie says:

    What did the offending garment fetch on eBay and was there a premium placed on the various stains?

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    Ed Balls says:

    Great stuff.

  20. 20
    Cynical-old-bag says:

    And then wrote it off against something else.

  21. 21
    Ed's Spin Team says:

    Banks should be required to publish on line the details and recipients of all loans they make over, say, £1million.

  22. 22
    Whistleblower says:

    There should also be a JUSTICE TRANSPARENCY Bill.


  23. 23
    Tony Blair says:

    Ooooh. I don’t think I like that idea.

  24. 24
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    I concur

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    But he pointed out that the Second Reading is scheduled for a non-sitting day.

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    Vodka and Tonic says:

    Used entirely for business = no vat

  27. 27
    harry potnap says:

    or a line for

    ‘payments to labour voting client groups – 90%’

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    Loungelizard says:

    These ideas are all very socialist and dangerous.

  29. 29
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Why buy a Bentley only to write it off?

  30. 30
    Peter Hain D.U.E.M.A Champion says:

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    Mandy says:

    Just get a loan from your mates.

  32. 32
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    That’s really going to piss off Labour’s glitteratii. Imagine the Shallow Cabinet having to answer all those questions about tax-payer funded property empires and Chuuka’s wardrobe.

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    just saying says:

    Millibland sounded a useless nasal twat, as always.

  34. 34
    jgm2 says:


    Bob Crow – looking like a mafia Don – the Jimmy Hoffa de nos jours.


    ‘I’m a legitimate businessman…’

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    PS says:

    … but wealthy backers of the labour party who lend money to senior labour figures, and Unions who fund labour MPs, should not have to disclose anything

  36. 36
    Selohesra says:

    Its know in some circles as Giving Ed

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    Tessa Tickles says:

    Shifty? One of the shiftiest.

    Here’s what Wikipedia has to say about the ‘honourable’ Chris Bryant:

    “Chris Bryant claimed over £92,000 in expenses over the five years leading up to the 2009 scandal over MPs’ expenses. During that time he flipped his second-home expenses twice, claimed mortgage interest expenses that started at £7,800 per year before rising (after flipping) to £12,000 per year. He also claimed £6,400 in stamp duty and other fees on his most recent purchase, and £6,000 per year in service charges. A claim that he made for £58,493.26, almost three times the annual maximum, in 2004, was disallowed.”

    In short, he should be in prison.

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    Arthur Bent says:

    Surely a flasher like him would support transparency.

  39. 39
    Only me ! says:

    oh God, I think I may come in my pants again if the twitter activity does not calm down. May have to close the gate for “security” reasons to keep up.

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    Stinkfinger says:

    I would like to see a breakdown of how many min wage immigrants tax contributions it takes to pay for one immigrant criminal.
    Investigation,prosecution and incarceration as well as any insurance costs.
    For example,
    1 murder=100 immigrants working for 5 years.

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    Anonymous says:

    This is an inspired idea and I’m glad it got through to a second reading. We need a campaign or something so that the public can sign up to support this.

  42. 42
    Watch says:

    Damn i’ve been accused of sarcasm regarding Ed, need to go on the Duema training course.

  43. 43
    Whistleblower says:

    My comment awaiting moderation is slightly off topic but is one which the Nation as a whole needs to be made aware of.

    I await the Moderators decision.

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    Cynical-old-bag says:

    It is a good idea, but let’s just see how far it goes first.

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    Grumpy Old Man says:

    I daresay the scope of the appropriate legislation could be expanded in the Parliamentary process…..

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    Desperate Dan says:

    DUEMA must be expanded to campaign for Gordon Brown to succeed Alex Salmond as Scottish PM. I’m sure Gordon would welcome the opportunity to banish boom and bust in the new independent Scotland.

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    Und 'er ware says:

    Not with those s k i d m a r k s showing.

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    Its illegal to show retail prices without VAT. The price has to include the tax.

    For a long while I’ve wondered why the petrol companies, long being blamed as the enemy of the populace, don’t redo their sign boards for a few days.

    Instead of £1.296 litre it could say

    Fuel – 0.49p
    Fuel duty levy – £0.59p
    Vat – £0.26p

    Price to you = £1.296

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    Tessa Tickles says:

    In Germany you can, to a small extent (or at least you could, when I lived there). The state pays for the upkeep of churches and cathedrals out of income tax, and when you register with the German Inland Revenue you can tick a box to indicate that you’re a Christian and want to pay the church tax, otherwise you leave the box blank and your tax bill is slightly lower.

    Being a Jedi, I left the box blank.

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    Cynical-old-bag says:

    Perhaps he needs some Throaties?

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    I love to have oodles of dosh (other peoples' I mean) says:

    And he trained to be a priest, too.
    Makes sense I suppose.

  52. 52
    Cynical-old-bag says:

    Nooooooo. We’ll have to bail them out as well.

  53. 53
    Free Marketeer says:

    Bryant put the “non” into non sequiter.

    Very weak.

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    It should be compulsory as part of any independence arrangements.
    They can keep anything that they like that is already in Scotland but JamesGordonMcRuin must not be allowed to cross any N.Irish/Welsh/English borders.

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    Cynical-old-bag says:

    Eeeuuuuggghhh!! Those pants look as though they haven’t seen a washing machine for months.

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    Tessa Tickles says:

    He went to all that effort to look smart and then fucked-up with the coat’s collar.

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    Luv ya Chrissy says:

    Would we have a box for W elsh MP’s who are would-be priests, who flip their homes, claim extortionate expenses, appear on webpages filming themselves in their undies, and who can drone on and on and on and on and on and on an……

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    Tessa Tickles says:


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    Cynical-old-bag says:

    Let’s just bung Jonah on a remote island somewhere, and leave him there to rot.

    He can’t do any more damage there.

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    Cynical-old-bag says:


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    On a very rough measure an immigrant couple,on minimum wage, make a slight contribution to the tax base. About £1,000.

    If they have children they are loss making, no matter how hard they work.
    Immigration only really becomes profitable for the host country at £20,000pa.

    For legal employers it is only a benefit as eastern euope/ans are, in general, more motivated workers at minimum wage. They know that in Latvia if you turn up at the dole office they give you a spoon and a wooden bucket and tell you to sell your organs on ebay.

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    Archer Karcher says:

    “In short, he should be in prison.”

    Along with around another 200+ Honourable and Right Honourable collegues.

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    Tessa Tickles says:

    It’s a shame they decontaminated Gruinard (aka “Anthrax Island”), cos that would have been the perfect place for him.

  64. 64
    Archer Karcher says:

    Envy, jealousy and entitlement, the three horses of socialist hatred.

    Of course, getting off your arse and emulating your wealthy neighbours hard work and success, is quite out of the question among the whining, I want something for nothing parasites, that infest socialism to the core.

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    Archer Karcher says:

    *What has poor Anthrax Island done to deserve occupation by McRuin?

    *Old joke alert.

  66. 66
    Smig says:

    Can’t wait to see the line items for
    “Postal Administration (Votes) GE 2010 – Birmingham Erdington”
    “Postal Administration (Votes) GE 2010 – Morley & Outwood”

  67. 67
    Smig says:

    Twat in a hat.

  68. 68
    Smig says:

    Let them go. As long as they have their own lender of last resort and don’t rely on the BoE to bail them out when the oil wells run dry I couldn’t give a monkey’s what Wallace Salmond hopes to achieve.

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    The Golem says:

    I’ve never heard any of these scottish patriots explain how they intend to make up the tax base for their independent utopia.

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    Chris Bryant says:

    Due to the lack of seating in the Strangers Bar, and the welcome change in clientele, I have decided that after 22:00 hrs all barstools will be turned upside down. This will allow certain customers to sit 4 on one stool and a pleasurable evening will be had by all.

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    lola says:

    The version sent to state employees need to show the ‘costs’ as benefits to them. As in, none of ‘their’ money was spent on anything but them. The costs figures are what real taxpayers in wealth creating private business paid to employ them.

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    Desperate Dan says:

    If any of them want to live in England they’ll have to sit an exam, recite yards of English literature by heart. Marking will ensure that James Naughtie, Kirsky Wark, Charlie Whelan and anyone called Campbell cannot pass and will be subject to repatriation .

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    Tachybaptus says:

    But he’s the only one who should be in prison in shorts.

  74. 74
    Vraiment incroyable says:

    Yes, it’s called a coffin.

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    Mark Skid says:

    The same breakdown needs to be supplied for all taxes, including council tax. I would dearly love to see exactly just how the London Borough of Haringey wastes the huge amount of money that they extract from me.

  76. 76
    Big Tissue Salesman says:

    How much am I paying for Pilgrim Brown ?

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    I'd be happy to spend £100 tax money to bring Alizee over here says:

  78. 78
    anonymous says:

    bloody hell

    we’ll be seeing MPs expenses next!!!

  79. 79
    anonymous says:


    although £1.29 is rather cheap – it’s still £1.34 by me

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    anonymous says:


    salary 65,000
    expenses 147,000
    tissues 1.25
    chairs including repairs 345,000
    mobile phones
    food 567,001

    and a penny for every lie

    Total 5 trillion pounds using Gordons calculator

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    Anonymous says:

    Well if it’s used entirely for business then it shouldn’t be at his house. Unless he’s using it as a taxi, which is unlikely, and if he’s just a taxi driver, I don’t see where all the envy and anger comes from.

    But if the Bentley was bought though a company and it’s used for personal purposes, the guy pays a a lot of company car tax for the privilege (tenths of thousands of pounds a year) => most likely more than the original complainer pays in total.

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    Andrew says:

    As you well know this Bill will not come back for a Second Reading in March or at all, not at least in any meaningful sense. Time has run out for Private Members’ Bills in this Session.

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    Rog says:

    How about how much the Barnett formula costs the rest of Britain?

    Salmond might get his independence sooner than he thinks.

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    Anonymous says:


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    Thatcher's Iron Stiletto says:

    Surely integrity suicide to oppose this. All the proposers have to do is ensure media coverage at key points.

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