January 25th, 2012

Tax Transparency Bill Gets Second Reading

Ben Gummer’s tax transparency 10 Minute Rule Bill was just passed in the House and will come back for a second reading in March. Chris Bryant stood  up to oppose it on the grounds that “there are better things we could be doing”, and raised various technicalities, but to no avail. It makes you wonder what he doesn’t want the voters to know? The UK is a step closer having an itemised breakdown of how our money is spent. 


  1. 1
    Taxpayer says:



    • 2
      • 66
        Smig says:

        Can’t wait to see the line items for
        “Postal Administration (Votes) GE 2010 – Birmingham Erdington”
        “Postal Administration (Votes) GE 2010 – Morley & Outwood”


      • 84
        Rog says:

        How about how much the Barnett formula costs the rest of Britain?

        Salmond might get his independence sooner than he thinks.


    • 3
      Popeye says:

      Yeah, but a shifty sort of bloke that Chris Bryant?


      • 5
        Rat's arse says:

        All that comes to my mind when Chris Bryant’s name is mentioned is him posing in front of a mirror in white Y-fronts, filming himself. When I first saw that picture, I thought Bryant had a Pamper nappy on. I just can’t take the little shite seriously.


      • 7
        Desperate Dan says:

        I wonder what happened to that photograph of Chris Bryant posing in his
        y-fronts. Has anyone seen it recently?


      • 25

        But he pointed out that the Second Reading is scheduled for a non-sitting day.


      • 37
        Tessa Tickles says:

        Shifty? One of the shiftiest.

        Here’s what Wikipedia has to say about the ‘honourable’ Chris Bryant:

        “Chris Bryant claimed over £92,000 in expenses over the five years leading up to the 2009 scandal over MPs’ expenses. During that time he flipped his second-home expenses twice, claimed mortgage interest expenses that started at £7,800 per year before rising (after flipping) to £12,000 per year. He also claimed £6,400 in stamp duty and other fees on his most recent purchase, and £6,000 per year in service charges. A claim that he made for £58,493.26, almost three times the annual maximum, in 2004, was disallowed.”

        In short, he should be in prison.


      • 53
        Free Marketeer says:

        Bryant put the “non” into non sequiter.

        Very weak.


      • 70
        Chris Bryant says:

        Due to the lack of seating in the Strangers Bar, and the welcome change in clientele, I have decided that after 22:00 hrs all barstools will be turned upside down. This will allow certain customers to sit 4 on one stool and a pleasurable evening will be had by all.


    • 12
      Ah! Monika says:

      Any point in raising a petition to help this through.?

      Or an viral email which can be copied and sent to local MPs


    • 71
      lola says:

      The version sent to state employees need to show the ‘costs’ as benefits to them. As in, none of ‘their’ money was spent on anything but them. The costs figures are what real taxpayers in wealth creating private business paid to employ them.


    • 75
      Mark Skid says:

      The same breakdown needs to be supplied for all taxes, including council tax. I would dearly love to see exactly just how the London Borough of Haringey wastes the huge amount of money that they extract from me.


  2. 4
    Peter Hain says:

    An assured performance by Ed today


  3. 6
    Koba says:

    If only we could cross out what we don’t like and amend our tax calculation? Real democracy!


    • 49
      Tessa Tickles says:

      In Germany you can, to a small extent (or at least you could, when I lived there). The state pays for the upkeep of churches and cathedrals out of income tax, and when you register with the German Inland Revenue you can tick a box to indicate that you’re a Christian and want to pay the church tax, otherwise you leave the box blank and your tax bill is slightly lower.

      Being a Jedi, I left the box blank.


      • 57
        Luv ya Chrissy says:

        Would we have a box for W elsh MP’s who are would-be priests, who flip their homes, claim extortionate expenses, appear on webpages filming themselves in their undies, and who can drone on and on and on and on and on and on an……


  4. 9
    witbooi says:

    Would be good to see how our money gets spent. Maybe we could cull a few MP’s, get less involved in armed conflict elsewhere in the world and separate from Scotland. That would simplify the breakdown for the Treasury…


  5. 13
    jgm2 says:

    A separate line will be required for

    ‘Interest payments for debt and PFI payments ran up by Labour 1997 – 2007′

    That should have the bedwetters swallowing their tongues.


  6. 14
    Peter says:

    All we need to add to this is the Swedish policy of putting people’s tax records on line and we would really have progress.

    Not only could you see what your taxes were paying for, you could also have a good guess as to why the guy with the Bently across the road was paying less than you.



    • 17
      Anonymous says:

      If he paid VAT on that Bentley he probably paid several times more tax than you!


      • 20
        Cynical-old-bag says:

        And then wrote it off against something else.


      • 26
        Vodka and Tonic says:

        Used entirely for business = no vat


        • 81
          Anonymous says:

          Well if it’s used entirely for business then it shouldn’t be at his house. Unless he’s using it as a taxi, which is unlikely, and if he’s just a taxi driver, I don’t see where all the envy and anger comes from.

          But if the Bentley was bought though a company and it’s used for personal purposes, the guy pays a a lot of company car tax for the privilege (tenths of thousands of pounds a year) => most likely more than the original complainer pays in total.


    • 23
      Tony Blair says:

      Ooooh. I don’t think I like that idea.


    • 28
      Loungelizard says:

      These ideas are all very socialist and dangerous.


    • 64
      Archer Karcher says:

      Envy, jealousy and entitlement, the three horses of socialist hatred.

      Of course, getting off your arse and emulating your wealthy neighbours hard work and success, is quite out of the question among the whining, I want something for nothing parasites, that infest socialism to the core.


  7. 21
    Ed's Spin Team says:

    Banks should be required to publish on line the details and recipients of all loans they make over, say, £1million.


    • 31
      Mandy says:

      Just get a loan from your mates.


    • 32
      Grumpy Old Man says:

      That’s really going to piss off Labour’s glitteratii. Imagine the Shallow Cabinet having to answer all those questions about tax-payer funded property empires and Chuuka’s wardrobe.


    • 35
      PS says:

      … but wealthy backers of the labour party who lend money to senior labour figures, and Unions who fund labour MPs, should not have to disclose anything


      • 45
        Grumpy Old Man says:

        I daresay the scope of the appropriate legislation could be expanded in the Parliamentary process…..


  8. 22
    Whistleblower says:

    There should also be a JUSTICE TRANSPARENCY Bill.



  9. 30
    Peter Hain D.U.E.M.A Champion says:


  10. 34
    jgm2 says:


    Bob Crow – looking like a mafia Don – the Jimmy Hoffa de nos jours.


    ‘I’m a legitimate businessman…’


  11. 40
    Stinkfinger says:

    I would like to see a breakdown of how many min wage immigrants tax contributions it takes to pay for one immigrant criminal.
    Investigation,prosecution and incarceration as well as any insurance costs.
    For example,
    1 murder=100 immigrants working for 5 years.


    • 61

      On a very rough measure an immigrant couple,on minimum wage, make a slight contribution to the tax base. About £1,000.

      If they have children they are loss making, no matter how hard they work.
      Immigration only really becomes profitable for the host country at £20,000pa.

      For legal employers it is only a benefit as eastern euope/ans are, in general, more motivated workers at minimum wage. They know that in Latvia if you turn up at the dole office they give you a spoon and a wooden bucket and tell you to sell your organs on ebay.


  12. 41
    Anonymous says:

    This is an inspired idea and I’m glad it got through to a second reading. We need a campaign or something so that the public can sign up to support this.


  13. 42
    Watch says:

    Damn i’ve been accused of sarcasm regarding Ed, need to go on the Duema training course.


  14. 43
    Whistleblower says:

    My comment awaiting moderation is slightly off topic but is one which the Nation as a whole needs to be made aware of.

    I await the Moderators decision.


  15. 46
    Desperate Dan says:

    DUEMA must be expanded to campaign for Gordon Brown to succeed Alex Salmond as Scottish PM. I’m sure Gordon would welcome the opportunity to banish boom and bust in the new independent Scotland.


    • 51
      Cynical-old-bag says:

      Nooooooo. We’ll have to bail them out as well.


    • 54

      It should be compulsory as part of any independence arrangements.
      They can keep anything that they like that is already in Scotland but JamesGordonMcRuin must not be allowed to cross any N.Irish/Welsh/English borders.


      • 59
        Cynical-old-bag says:

        Let’s just bung Jonah on a remote island somewhere, and leave him there to rot.

        He can’t do any more damage there.


        • 63
          Tessa Tickles says:

          It’s a shame they decontaminated Gruinard (aka “Anthrax Island”), cos that would have been the perfect place for him.


    • 68
      Smig says:

      Let them go. As long as they have their own lender of last resort and don’t rely on the BoE to bail them out when the oil wells run dry I couldn’t give a monkey’s what Wallace Salmond hopes to achieve.


      • 72
        Desperate Dan says:

        If any of them want to live in England they’ll have to sit an exam, recite yards of English literature by heart. Marking will ensure that James Naughtie, Kirsky Wark, Charlie Whelan and anyone called Campbell cannot pass and will be subject to repatriation .


  16. 48

    Its illegal to show retail prices without VAT. The price has to include the tax.

    For a long while I’ve wondered why the petrol companies, long being blamed as the enemy of the populace, don’t redo their sign boards for a few days.

    Instead of £1.296 litre it could say

    Fuel – 0.49p
    Fuel duty levy – £0.59p
    Vat – £0.26p

    Price to you = £1.296


  17. 76
    Big Tissue Salesman says:

    How much am I paying for Pilgrim Brown ?


    • 80
      anonymous says:


      salary 65,000
      expenses 147,000
      tissues 1.25
      chairs including repairs 345,000
      mobile phones
      food 567,001

      and a penny for every lie

      Total 5 trillion pounds using Gordons calculator


  18. 77
    I'd be happy to spend £100 tax money to bring Alizee over here says:


  19. 78
    anonymous says:

    bloody hell

    we’ll be seeing MPs expenses next!!!


  20. 83
    Andrew says:

    As you well know this Bill will not come back for a Second Reading in March or at all, not at least in any meaningful sense. Time has run out for Private Members’ Bills in this Session.


  21. 86
    Thatcher's Iron Stiletto says:

    Surely integrity suicide to oppose this. All the proposers have to do is ensure media coverage at key points.


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