January 23rd, 2012

The Million Pound Pilgrim
Full Figures Reveal the True Cost Of Julie Davies

Guido has got hold of the original FoI response regarding Julie Davies, the teaching Pilgrim from earlier. As you can see the information provided was only in regard to 2002 and 2009. In this seven year period, Davies cost the taxpayer £679,198. This isn’t just her salary (£35,000pa), but the cost of paying someone else to cover for her too:

Given that Davies was also paid to do trade union activity for three days a week between 1997 and 2000, and five days a week between 2000 and 2002, the £300,000 figure quoted in the Standard tonight is way short of the real picture. Guido has been doing the real maths based on what she cost the taxpayer between 2002-09:

 Sept ’97 to April ’00: 3/5 x (£679,198/7) x 2.5 years = £145,542

April ’00 to March ’02: (£679,198/7) x 2 years = £194,057

Add that to the figures given by the council and you get a cost of £1,018,797 up until March 2009. Add to that the £70,000 that Davies has been paid for 2010 and 2011, plus the cost of covering for her in that period and that figure hits £1,158,797. Over half-a-million pounds wasted on one teacher not teaching…


  1. 1
    Scott says:

    FUCKING HELL!!!!!!!

  2. 2
    Cynical-old-bag says:

    She’s not worth it.

  3. 3
    Mike Litorus says:

    The Left Must Die!

  4. 4
    Anonymous says:


  5. 5
    Jack says:

    ANd to add insult to injury

    Teaching is the only profession where the “employed” cannot be sacked for bad performance

    Covered by an abusive Trade Union teaching rubbish badly…

  6. 6
    Glass Half Empty says:

    I’m not gonna even TRY and be funny here.
    This sort of shit HAS to stop.

  7. 7
    Sophie says:

    As a taxpayer I find this sickening.

    Why should I pay the wages of the unions political agitators?

    If only we had a Conservative in Government to stop this corruption & waste.


  8. 8
    Angry Teacher says:

    We need to smoke these communists out of the system.

  9. 9
    jgm2 says:

    If she was only ‘not teaching’ it wouldn’t be so bad.

    But she’ll have been spending her time actively undermining any teaching that may have been (accidentally) taking place.

  10. 10
    Time 2 CTRL, ALT & DEL says:

    Pardon me for being stupid, but you are double accounting. You either count her cost or her cover, not both. If she didn’t teach she wont need cover.

    I hate pilgrims and the arguement is won no contest. But the figures must be right.

  11. 11
    A Druid Bishop says:

    And do you know how much I get paid ?

    And all my perks ?

  12. 12
    Time 2 CTRL, ALT & DEL says:

    we have to praise allah that she is not teaching. wont want my kids taught by her

  13. 13
    I'm Jeremy Clarkson says:

    She should be taken out and shot in front of her family.

    Utter disgrace.

  14. 14
    jgm2 says:

    plus the cost of covering for her in that period and that figure hits £1,158,797. Over half-a-million pounds wasted on one teacher not teaching…

    Total cost 1,158,797 of which (say) half is cover. Hence the ‘Over half-a-million pounds wasted on one teacher not teaching…’

  15. 15
    Rog says:

    I might be a little slow, but I think I’ve thought of a way to save the taxpayer a lot of money….

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    jgm2 says:

    Well it looks like you have your wish because all the time Labour were giving it ‘education, education and education’ this leech didn’t teach a single student.

  17. 17
    Ken Spalding says:

    Haringey Council and others involved have to explain who allowed taxpayers to be defrauded like this.

    Teachers must teach.

  18. 18
    jgm2 says:

    Too late. She’s 57. I bet her entire working life was a variant of this scam.

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    Selohesra says:

    I wonder if she agitates during school holidays or just during the term time?

  20. 20
    Rog says:

    PS: I cant wait to see the usual Labour lying scumbags try to defend this.

    It’ll be priceless. Unlike Julie Davies and her ilk.

  21. 21
    Neo-Guido says:

    the cost of the cover is factored in.

    It’s made very clear that the million isn’t just going to her, it is however being spent.

  22. 22
    Rog says:

    Is she on final salary pension too?

    Nice “work” if you can get it.

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    Time 2 CTRL, ALT & DEL says:

    so why use the headline figure of £1,158,797? – bit misleading.
    £1 is too much let alone half a million, – but thats what the headline figure should have been.
    The late lost Gordon blew it all used to annouce things like this.

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    No2IT says:

    Worse than that. But why hasn’t this been challenged before? Such subterfuge involved. Any chance we taxpayers can get our money back? How do we do that in the seven year rule? Is there a Shirley Porter precedent here?

  25. 25
    Stepney says:

    And there was me thinking Haringey was a poor area. Those poor bloody minimum wage earners supporting this type of crap.

    Labour: On the side of the workers since 1889.

    My arse.

  26. 26
    A Spartist Teacher says:

    We prefer to preach.

  27. 27
    jgm2 says:

    I agree. I was just explaining where the mis-match came in.

  28. 28
    Happy to help says:

    £55660 pa.

  29. 29
    Time 2 CTRL, ALT & DEL says:

    how much would have been spent anyway?

  30. 30
    Anonymous says:

    This is pathetic. You are double counting. You cannot include the cost of the person covering for her.

    This is seriously childish stuff.

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    jgm2 says:

    Of course she’s on final salary. And despite not working as a teacher for over ten years she’ll have been marching up the pay-spine too with ‘promotions’ at the ‘expected’ intervals. After all, it wouldn’t be fair to penalise her for her invaluable full-time union work.

  32. 32

    But wait. There’s more!

    Total cost of employment is actually higher than annual salary. If one factors in things like the employer’s (ie the taxpayers’) contributions to social security, national insurance, pension etc, the total cost of employment is significantly higher.

    When we do business planning we generally work on 1.5 times the total salary. Admittedly that’s in the South African mining industry not British education, but the principle’s the same. Maybe someone in the know could inform us what sort of TCE factor is suitable for a teacher in London.

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    nellnewman says:

    If we’re talking about the archbish don’t forget he also gets a free palace complete with perks like servants, food, heating lighting, transport in a fancy car etc.

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    Voting UKIP robbed us of a proper Gov. says:

    Sophie, if those who voted UKIP had not done so, we would have had a proper Conservative government!

  35. 35
    jgm2 says:

    I don’t.

    I bet she takes holidays in term time too. It’s not like she’d be missed.

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    Loungelizard says:

    This is just one example, multiply by ?

  37. 37
    Poo Myster says:

    we can do what we want so fuck off

    Brown was the master of Double Counting

  38. 38
    Anonymous says:

    What’s the matter, can’t you think proper, matey?

  39. 39
    genghiz the kahn says:

    leech not teach.

  40. 40
    Gordon Brown MP says:

    Just some bigoted woman.

  41. 41

    Why not? The replacement teacher is still a cost to the taxpayer. An additional cost that much over charged individual would not have to bear if Julie Davies was at school doing the job she is paid to perform – teaching children.

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    nellnewman says:

    Feudalism at it’s best is what it is. How the political elite fleece the working classes and line their own pockets.

    By the by Guido you don’t mention what the cost of the employer contributions to her end of salary gold plated pension are for the same period. I think I’m right in saying it’ll be about 6/7 % of her salary but in anyone knows better……

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    jgm2 says:

    Teachers (in fact any public sector employee) does not pay any NI, Tax or pension contributions.

    They just get a piece of paper telling them they’ve paid these figures but it’s just a paper exercise to make them feel important. They do however run up vast additional costs in terms of heating, lighting, office costs etc. Those are real.

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    Bled White Taxpayer says:

    How many ruddy teachers does this school have if she needs to spend 5 days a week handholding them in disciplinary cases? If they are constantly that out of order, they should all be sacked.

    No wonder the school standards and league table are in the gutter.

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    Selohesra says:

    + clothes allowance + all the choirboys he can roger

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    Raving Loon says:

    And this is just ONE pilgrim. We don’t have taxpayer funded lobbyists; this has to end now!

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    Whose idea was it? says:

    I blame Sue.

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    jgm2 says:

    We don’t have taxpayer funded lobbyists

    Errrr – what do you think this woman is?

  49. 49
    Cynical-old-bag says:

    No barber though.

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    Neo-Guido says:

    She would have been paid £420,000 over that 12 years to actually teach.

    Because she does not do this, the state has ended up paying over a million.

    Hence “over half a million wasted” and why she can be called the “million pound pilgrim”


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    Anonymous says:

    An absolute disgrace. WHY doesn’t the Govt. ACT NOW????? WTF is it waiting for? This is like paying someone to rape you. FFS SORT IT YOU BUNCH OF WANKERS.

  52. 52
    Sophie says:

    Those, like me, who did vote for UKIP voted for the only true Conservatives on the ticket.

    Sorry – voting for “Blue Labour” – with yet more Brownseian fiscal lunacy via George & Dave was absolutely not an option.

    I would rather vote for a forlorn cure than to vote for the same Lab / Con / Lib disease.

    Your tribalism is a nonsense – its about policies stupid, not red rosette Vs blue rosette.

    You may go.

  53. 53
    nellnewman says:

    It is. This is why it’s a poor area. Money is spent on a privileged few like her and not on the people that need it!

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    The Paragnostic says:

    He’s just fitting in with the imams and the Metropolitans.

    Probably has a lackey to shampoo the beard, though.

  55. 55
    Max Moseley says:

    This is like paying someone to rape you.

    That is a private matter.

  56. 56
    Afghanistan Banana Stand says:

    Paging 50 Calibre

    Report to HQ for urgent job.


  57. 57
    bergen says:

    Being a part owner of a small business trying to survive this recession, this story genuinely makes me feel sick.

  58. 58
    How The West Was Lost says:

    I understand one need not even have a belief in God to be a Bishop these days. The main thing is Social concern.

  59. 59
    Neo-Guido says:

    Seriously childish stuff. Says the Anonymous account!

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    Anonymouse says:

    I challenge Guido’s figures, he is double counting. You can’t add in the cost of funding a replacement on top of her pay. She can only be charged once.

    You should of course add Employers National Insurance and pension contributions which will jack it up again.

  61. 61

    Like any organisation schools have a manpower budget. In their case decided, I assume, on the number of kids they have enrolled. Davies fills one of these slots at a cost, let’s call it A. But while she does draw the salary she does not fulfill the duties attached to that slot in the organogram (teaching children). Those duties have to be coveredby a second person, presumably a supply teacher provided at an additional cost which for convenience we’ll call B.

    Guido is saying, and I agree, that the total cost to the taxpayer of this woman’s pilgrimming is A+B.

    I’d go even further and add that the cost isn’t A+B but A*X + B, the X representing the additional cost all employees impose n their employers with things like employer’s contributions to national insurance, pension, compulsory training, workplace insurance etc etc which in my experience sits at around 1.5 times annual salary.

  62. 62
    jgm2 says:

    Just throw in the towel. You’ll get fuck all thanks for working your bollocks off to pay these leeches.

  63. 63
    Anonymous says:

    She’s also vice chair of the Tottenham Labour party, chair of governors at another Tottenham primary school and a leading member of the Anti Academies Alliance.

  64. 64
    The Paragnostic says:

    I’d doubt that Haringey taxpayers support Ms Davies – the same sort of fiddle that funnels money to Scotland also supports areas like Hackney, so they can continue to fund workshy bints like her.

    It’s enough to make you support Harry Redknapp!

  65. 65
    EdButLookBalls says:

    Tip of the iceberg!

  66. 66
    Rog says:


    UKIP until the Conservatives start acting like a conservative party.

    The promises have been demonstrably hollow.

  67. 67
    The Paragnostic says:

    If they’re using supply teachers to cover her, then B is around 2-3 x A. I wouldn’t be surprised to find the teaching unions’ grubby fingers taking money from the teaching supply agencies, either.

  68. 68
    Scott says:

  69. 69

    They may not pay them, but they are credited and receive the benefits. This means someone else has to cover those costs, namely the poor bloody taxpayer. Since we are discussing this woman’s costs to her ultimate employers (the same taxpayer) the NI, pension etc are still valid costs in the equation. More so given that not only does the PBTP pay the employer’s portion, he has to cover her contribution as well.

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    jgm2 says:

    You’re of course forgetting by far her biggest cost – ‘C’ where ‘C’ is the amount of money spent correcting or compensating for all the damage this woman does while working as a full-time union rep. The useless teachers you cannot sack who fail to teach anything to the kids who then go on to become an even bigger burden on society. The form-filling associated with acquiescing to her demands for additional support for this, additional cover for that etc etc.

    As with the Maximum Imbecile and the reign of Imbecility. The BIG cost wasn’t paying him his salary. It was the 1,000,000,000,000 pounds he squandered.

  71. 71
    colin crane says:

    YUP you WERE far too slow…
    I’d already thought of that one…in fact I reckon I could ALMOST halve MY countries deficit (based entirely on my own considerable experience and working knowledge of the countries wasted finances and even better it’s very OWN WASTERS

  72. 72

    Professions have professional associations. Trades have unions.

  73. 73
    The Dirty Rat says:

    And where does she work from? Does she have an office or does she work from a bench in the playground? If she has an office who pays for the lighting heating etc?

  74. 74
    jgm2 says:

    Haringey taxpayers might not support Ms Davies but since tax-payers in Haringey probably make up only 5% of the electorate I don’t suppose they give a shit. After all – their MP is the useless Diane Abbott. Good for fuck all- a waste of oxygen.

    Yet still they re-elect her. Because she represents their aspirations. Aye, get a public sector job, be a big fat pig, a world-class gobshite and send your kids to private school with public money.

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    The last Quango in Paris says:

    This makes my blood boil. I know someone who is being paid to teach but ‘doesnt like the classroom’ and so has a job in the behavioural dept at a Council – therefore if a child in a class is showing ‘behavioural difficulties’ (such as hitting the teacher) the school must pay her to do a report in which she says the child has EBD.

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    John Bunyan says:

    But she would surely need to have the ‘approval’ of her Head for any promotion?
    Her classroom teaching will have had to have demonstrably improved, she would have had to have met ‘targets’, and as for Ofsted inspections, as a teacher she surely must have been inspected. Or was she ‘ill’ at each one?
    I am seeing a can of worms opening here.
    Keep digging Guido.

  77. 77
    Realistic says:

    I can visualise Guido’s lips moving as he adds up the numbers.

    So what? Someone’s got to look after the workers.

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    joescotus says:

    get that fog horn voiced boot rachey reeves on to defend this pilgrim no fucking chance

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    Loungelizard says:

    I know the sort. lentil breath and personal hygiene issues, we don’t want these people anywhere near children.

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    jgm2 says:

    She’ll probably get an OBE for all that ‘voluntary’ work.

  81. 81
    Infuriated of West Mids says:

    Yeah, but if I was found to be pinching money from my firm’s Client Account, I’d never work again.

    There’s a difference.

  82. 82
    Boudicca says:

    Perhaps Chukka could urgently raise the matter in the House of Commons?

  83. 83
    jgm2 says:

    Fair point – the pensions are a real cost. Although not one paid by the Ms Davies of this world.

  84. 84
    The last Quango in Paris says:

    I hope Julie Davies is not writing letters to the Guardian on School time:


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    The Paragnostic says:

    Of course you can add the cost of a replacement.

    A is paid as a teacher to teach, and costs X per year in salary, perks and employment taxes
    Since A is not teaching, B must be employed to do the work that A should be doing. B costs Y per year in salary, perks and employment taxes. Since Haringey is a Labour hellhole, B is unlikely to be directly employed, but will work for Agency C (run by one of Labour’s and the unions’ friends, no doubt), who will charge at least twice what a direct employment would have cost.

    I think a million is probably a woeful underestimate of the true cost of this wasteful practice.

  86. 86
    A Hem says:

    Couldn’t have put it better myself

  87. 87
    Lady Virginia Droit de Seigneur says:

    I’d bet good money that she’s fat as well.

  88. 88
    smoggie says:

    I agree – you should only count the extra over cost of one additional person. One teacher is required anyway.

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    meme says:

    Guido – you have not included her pension provisions!!!!!!

    Note this for someone who did not teach !!!!!!

    More bleeding liberal bishops on 5live saying that 200,000 children will be forced into poverty by only have family income of £26k net —-

    since when is a CAP of £26k poverty ??????

    A female bishop also wished more workers in london to live in london – but if benefits are paying non-workers to live in central london – this must price out workers who could have these places…. but dont have benefits ???


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    jgm2 says:

    Dec 22? Looks like she might have written that one in her own time.

    Golly – what great value the union is getting for the money they pay her (fuck all).

  91. 91
    A Hem says:

    Cum cum, let’s not bash the bishop!

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    The Paragnostic says:

    I think you can be drummed out of a union if it shown that you weren’t taking the piss by claiming everything under the sun.

    A big difference.

  93. 93
    Vickie Vermin, Chav Inch High Skool says:

    To be fare Guido, she iz beter of out off the clasroom. She tawt me Engerlish. Shes worf evry penny. :)

  94. 94
    jgm2 says:

    One teacher is required anyway.

    Perhaps not. Schools (even private schools where my kids attend) app*ear to be packed to the rafters with useless ‘make-weight’ jobs and teachers who I would fire in a heart beat. Time-servers, wasters, talking heads, head-of-this, deputy-head-of-that.

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    smoggie says:

    5/10 Neo-Guido

    Must do better

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    I don't need no doctor says:

    Mary Creagh, one of labours pitiful shadow ministers, is currently spewing drivel about food poverty in the UK. She is ably backed by her fellow labour “in denial” colleagues.
    If there is a food poverty problem as it occured only in the last 18 months?
    Wouldn’t labour prefer the Pilgrims funding to be spent on food poverty, as labour now agree that cuts are needed?
    Why don’t labour invite some of the starving to eat in one of the restaurants at Westminster. Naturally funded by labour.
    How many soup kitchens existed in the UK while labour were in power?
    Labour just pick on any topic, not to help such as the starving, but to persue their policy of spite. Labour are no a party of opposition, they are a party of pathetic individuals.

  97. 97
    To be a Pilgrim says:

    You have forgotten to figure in the teacher’s pension that she has also been accruing over that time.

    I hope she has not been using school stationary and telephones for her union work.

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    jgm2 says:

    Same scam as all these nurse supply agencies. Labour oversaw the biggest boom in Range Rover sales in history as all these NHS supply contracts were signed with those ‘in the know’.

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    smoggie says:

    So why does Guido need cover?

    Is he moonlighting at the bloggers’ union? (BUnion)

  100. 100
    I don't need no doctor says:

    My comment at 4:44 is under moderation. FUCKWIT ARSEWIPE MODERATION.

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    Loungelizard says:

    Wasn’t it Reeves who became a politician because of shortages of school books at her school ? Well, now we know why !

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    Sick O'fant says:

    ‘Students’ average performance in GCSE English……. is very low’
    re SEN pupils ‘ Shortage of staff limits the individual support they are given.’
    (Ofsted 2002)
    Maybe, just maybe, another teacher would have lessened the burden?

    The 2006 report states ‘The senior managers and all staff work together effectively as a team.’, so no doubt Julie is rushed off her feet with her union duties

  103. 103
    Where are Tony Blair's Expenses says:

    Lets not get too excited as Call me Dave will do nothing about it just like he has done on every other election promise.

    Nothing, nothing and more nothing just sound bites and broken promises.

  104. 104
    Julie ith a thuper teacher and I sthand by her all the way says:

    No Comment

  105. 105
    jgm2 says:

    He did abolish ID cards.

    So that’s a saving of 12bn quid right there. Not to mention a halt to the assault on our civil liberties from the wicked and malicious party.

  106. 106
    Ed of the skool says:

    That is SO true.

  107. 107
    smoggie says:

    If more people had voted UKIP, Brown would still be in power.

    Great idea there.

  108. 108
    Anonymous says:

    News of the World reporter played police Milly Dowler voicemail
    Journalist at the tabloid played Surrey Police a tape-recording of Milly Dowler’s hacked voicemails within a month of her disappearance, but officers chose not to investigate, a police report reveals.

  109. 109
    Nice perk says:

    + hot line to G o d

  110. 110
    Labour Voting Scum says:

    No wonder Labour and unions don’t believe in cuts. NIMBY! People with real disabilities -not the the slipped discs in the back parasites- are facing real hardship because scum like Davies are bleeding the taxpayer dry. We can no longer afford to help the truly needy. Immoral. How many more of these socialist, self interested scum are there? Disgusting! These Hunts know exactly the harm they are doing to this country. They don’t care! I am livid!

  111. 111
    smoggie says:

    ..and there’s the Bill going through Parliament now to repeal the Hunting One-eyed Scotchmen with Dogs Act.

    Dave’s got my vote.

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    Haringey Nut says:

    Julie can be contacted here.


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    jgm2 says:

    Shortages of school books? Really?

    Cost of a book – what – ten quid. Times 30 = 300 quid for the whole class. Cost of a teacher = 35K quid. So the books are less than 1% of the cost of a teacher?

    If there was a shortage of books it was because some politically motivated LEA wouldn’t/didn’t make a few extra quid available by sacking the likes of Ms Davies. Same as they preferred to leave the roof leaking and stick a bucket there for the photo op rather than get somebody up on the roof to fix a couple of slates.

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    nellnewman says:

    I doubt that G o d and the archbish would have much in common,

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    I don't need no doctor says:

    How true!

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    I'm not really needed am I? says:

    ‘The governance of the school is good’
    Ofsted 2006

  117. 117
    Bogeyman says:

    One wonders how much Tottenham Labour Party business is conducted from her office at Northumberland Park school. Phone, photocopier, printer…

  118. 118
    Raving Loon says:

    That’s my point. Perhaps I should have said “we shouldn’t have”.

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    Twatter says:

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    Tony Blair, Millionaire says:

    Since, Lord, Thou dost defend us with Thy Spirit,
    We know we at the end, shall life inherit.
    Then fancies flee away! I’ll fear not what men say,
    I’ll labor night and day to be a pilgrim.

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    Pawn Sandwich says:

    So TWO pensions are paid, one for the pilgrim and one for the stand in.

    I do not blame Julie Davies at all.

    I do blame her superiors for allowing this to happen. A denial of her front line services is not her fault.

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    jgm2 says:

    It is the likes of this Ms Davies who seek to equate the non-existent ‘cuts’ with the loss of front line services. Hiding behind real nurses and teachers.

    There likes of Ms Davies are not numbered in the hundreds or even the thousands but in the hundreds of thousands. Brown’s miracle million employed from 2001 – 2002 are almost all Pilgrims in one sense or another. Leeches. Good for fuck all.

    If they want to work give them a pick and shovel and they can get to work on the HS2 railway. I reckon a million of the fuckers should be able to complete it by next week. One hundred miles is what – ten thousand per mile – or more than one leech per foot of track. The c*unts should have that all levelled overnight with their bare hands.

    33bn quid?

    For a days work? FFS.

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    jgm2 says:

    It’s down-hill from here Julie.

  124. 124
    Nick [Dave's Fag] Clegg says:

    The one thing that keeps me going is knowing that the Welfare State collapse is imminent!

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    Bogeyman says:

    I see that ghastly Reeves woman is being touted as a possible successor to Millipede.

    Socialists love her because she’s dahn wiv da common people yet also has a degree from Oxford. Unfortunately her time at Oxon did nothing to stop her sounding like a fishwife.

    If she ever ended up representing Britain I would hang myself.

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    Loungelizard says:

    Yup she’s been Snouted!

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    Peter Hain D.U.E.M.A Champion says:

    She is a valued member of the union movement.

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    Free The Lea Valley of Parasites says:

    No, but you have confused yourself with someone who can show your face in public.

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    Self Awareness Is A Human Trait says:

    Nonsense. Nothing was forcing this woman to go along with this shameful charade. She could have worked out that she was fundamentally being a social parasite and quit at any moment.

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    Lady Virginia Droit de Seigneur says:

    She must love reading the comments on here then.

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    The last Quango in Paris says:

    yes, possibly Kylie.

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    Fuck the lazy cunts says:

    I wish!

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    genghiz the kahn says:

    She is multi-talented, even whinged to the Evening Standard this afternoon.

    “Opposing the government’s reforms at Downhills School gets you doorstepped by the Evening Standard. Twice, including last night at about five o’clock. And the best they can come up with is ‘NUT rep represents members.’

    What Mr Gove wants, Mr Gove gets, obviously. He must be very rattled.

    – Julie Davies, Tottenham, 23/01/2012 12:56″

    So it is all Michael Gove’s fault that she has been paid to not teach. Nice work if you can get it, perhaps she could help the Year 11 pupils with their GCSE work.

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    private sector 21 days a year man says:

    14 weeks holiday a year as well I suspect .
    How does she cope!

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    Agitator Watch says:

    “Julie is currently seconded from her teaching post for full time union duties which include representing members in disciplinary, capability and grievance hearings. She negotiates with the authority on employment issues, policies and procedures. In her role as a member of the NUT National Executive, she serves on its Resource Management Committee, Salaries, Superannuation, Employment Conditions and Rights Committee, Legal and Professional Services Committee and Gender Advisory Committee. She is a member of the board of Stoke Rochford Hall, the union’s training centre in the Midlands”


  136. 136
    The last Quango in Paris says:

    Seriously here – if there are ‘teachers’ who don’t work in a classroom – why on earth are they getting the holidays?

  137. 137
    nellnewman says:

    I suspect she doesn’t know about them. She thinks she’s still an undiscovered trougher. She doesn’t realize she’s become notorious.

  138. 138
    MajorFrustration says:

    Guido what about an FoI to the Union on what its paid Davies in expenses

  139. 139
    From above says:

    Halo, is that you Archie?

  140. 140
    The last Quango in Paris says:

    what? as she is not doing her job we have to pay someone else to do it and continue to pay her to prattle about on twitter etc.

  141. 141
    Mind bleach says:

    ‘vice’ chair?

    omg look at her.

  142. 142
    F... the lazy ... says:


    Cut foreign aid…get the young to do some humanitarian work.

  143. 143
    Pilgrim Fathers says:

    Fuck me our offspring have done well out of the taxpayer!

  144. 144
    The last Quango in Paris says:

    Dear Labour
    Just because people on benefits can’t buy lobster and fresh mango every day does not mean that there is ‘food poverty’, next you will tell us that there are so many fatties about as they are ‘suffering from malnutrition’, Please get yourself to Africa pronto to understannd what real ‘food poverty’ is – and whilst we’re at it perhaps we can stop subsidising you MPs – talking about food poverty whilst lunching at heavily subsidised restaurants is vile.

  145. 145
    Ugly is as ugly does. says:

    Has the Hunchback of Notre Dame been released? If so, then maybe yes Julie.

  146. 146
  147. 147
    oink oink says:

    Julie is also an out-and-out trougher.

  148. 148
    The last Quango in Paris says:

    given that she trained as a teacher her expertise in the law etc is amazing.

  149. 149
    Winston Churchill Snr. says:

    Dave — ACTION THIS DAY — Sort this out forthwith!

  150. 150
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    one book per child?

    Slates? Luxury. When I were a lad, the school had a flat roof. if you were lucky.

  151. 151
    The last Quango in Paris says:

    Diane Ravitch@DianeRavitch

    Another frightening discovery: only 25% of our nation’s teachers will ever be in the top quartile. What can we do? Evaluate them more.

    Retweeted by Julie Davies

    Julie – consider yourself evaluated

  152. 152
    Pundit says:

    Just pretend to sell the Big Issue and get £30000 a year in benefits.

  153. 153
    Die Ann Abutt says:

    Racist. You whiteys like to divide and rule.

  154. 154
    Curious says:

    and an foi for the content of emails originated from any school-funded machine

  155. 155
    Voting UKIP robbed us of a proper Gov. says:

    Sophie, you sound about 5 years old. Thanks for landing us with the Lib Dumps – tosser!

  156. 156
    Dante says:

    When I constructed my vision of hell I thought of Haringay and the rest was easy.

  157. 157
    Innocent Bystander says:

    Since this situation could be fixed overnight by instructing these ‘pilgrims’ to do the job they are being paid to do in accordance with their contracts of employment. If they obey the instruction and continue so to do, fine. If they don’t, invoke the warning procedure, follow it to the letter and have the bottle to see it through to summary dismissal for gross misconduct.

    All that is needed is balls, not Ed Balls, real balls, to get after these bastards once and for all.

    Then get after those that allowed it to happen and sack them too…

  158. 158
    Innocent Bystander says:

    That’s nothing…

    25% of women in the UK are on medication for some form of mental illness. What’s really bloody scary is that the other 75% of them are running around the place with no medication at all!

  159. 159
    50 Calibre says:

    Dream on. He just won’t do it.

    Those amongst us who live and work in the real world know exactly what to do about this, but in the feather bedded bubble that is Westminster and the world of public service, reality doesn’t really exist. They just don’t know what to do.

    So don’t hold your breath waiting for Dave to sort it…

  160. 160
    Poverty stricken NQT says:

    Makes me laugh. Well makes my student loan laugh. £30k spent to be a teacher yet leaches like her have a job she doesn’t do and I doubt she would be able to pass a simple ofsted observation.
    Is it too late to switch to be a wanker banker?

  161. 161
    Marmite says:

    YOU are calling some-one else stupid? Poor, poor thing.

  162. 162
    Enough is enough says:

    “Seconded from” Well I always thought that meant a BRIEF TRANSFER not a permament career move paid for by the original employer.

    And make no mistake the Education authority is just as culpable. The whole system is rotten and the government is doing FA to sort this disgraceful practice out And by sort out, I mean Stamp out.

  163. 163
    The Paragnostic says:


    I hope to Dog you’re not proposing to teach English. It’s “leeches”.

    You’ll be towing the line and standing up for your principals next.

  164. 164
    Weygand says:

    Guido is spoiling a slam dunk by double counting.

    One teacher’s pay would have been due even were Davies not a pilgrim and so only the money wasted on Davies herself should be counted.

    Isn’t that shocking enough in itself?

    The agency scenario is hypothesis and even in that case only the added agency premium would be countable.

  165. 165
    Mine d'Boggles says:

    Love it. Any chance of “doing a Darien”? No, blast it. Yellow fever has been knocked off.

  166. 166
    Heretic says:

    Biscuit ?

  167. 167
    I don't need no doctor says:

    What comes first for laboour, tattoos, piercings, cigarettes, alcohol or decent food for the kids? Have people in this country only been starving for the last 18 months?
    Labour really are shits.

  168. 168
    I don't need no doctor says:

    The tax payers funding for Pilgrims should be spent on the UK’s starving people.

  169. 169
    Heretic says:

    & PEOPLE wonder WHY ?.
    The old saying,if your not part of the solution, you are a part of the problem !.
    LADLES & JELLY SPOONS I GIVE YOU david cameron et al xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (got tired)

  170. 170
    B.Bob, name changed to stop the modding. says:

    Hang the barstewards !!

  171. 171
    B.Bob, name changed to stop the modding. says:

    If only………. :)

    Never yet met a happy socialist !!

  172. 172
    s8nm mo says:

    I NEEDED A TEACHER LIKE YOU !! B’t w’8pn m;gtd0de FIngo

  173. 173
    B.Bob, name changed to stop the modding. says:

    Starving people?? FFS surely shome mishtake…… perhaps you mean the pieces of sh*t selling the big issue??

  174. 174
    Diversity Officer No 6475 says:

    That’s fuck all!

  175. 175
    s8nm mo says:

    Y0o si MUffdi3it He rOmBlre de RASSS muNG !

  176. 176
    Seb coe's a cunt says:

    How do i post a smiley ?

  177. 177
    Rog says:

    Stoke Roachford Hall owned by the NUT:



    VERY nice grade 1 listed mansion/hotel/conference centre in fantastic grounds etc.

    In 2005 a major fire there required a £12 million restoration by English Heritage. That is, paid for by the taxpayer…

    Tell me again why Unions are so cash strapped they require us poor bloody taxpayers to shell out continuously for them and to pay for these bastard pilgrims.

  178. 178
    There's no money left says:

    The taxpayer has been bled too far and too fast.

  179. 179
    Maximus says:

    Wouldn’t work. The matter is “far beyond the understanding of a millionaire Cabinet or privately educated Education Secretary of State” (© Julie Davies)

  180. 180
    Booty Lover says:

    If her booty is as big as D’s

    And her pension as big as Freddy Shred’s

    Then she’s a good future in front of her

    As well as behind

  181. 181

    Dear Bishops.
    I think there may be a solution to the terrible £26,000 tax free cap that will cause poverty on the poorest of the wealthiest in our society.

    There seems to be a large sum of taxpayer money that unions are currently claiming in order to pay their members to work full time for the union.
    If the unions had to pay for their own salary there should be plenty of excess taxpayer cash just waiting to hand to those poor, poor people, you are concerned about.

    I understand that there are families who are still making do without blu-ray. Some have just an ordinary 2dTV. Some have Virgin, not Sky. In some particularly bad cases, kids with only Kangol trainers, have to attend school with a pack lunch, as there just isn’t enough money for a lunchtime Bigmac meal.

    This ‘Pilgrim’ money would go a long way to alleviating the horrific poverty that these unfortunates face.

    Please support the Pilgrim bill.
    Signed everyone,
    { except Pilgrims, union leaders, and the Labour party.}

  182. 182
    Anti-Free Speech Quango says:

    See you in court!

  183. 183
    Adlof Hilter says:

    Das antwort IST,(look at my memoirs).

  184. 184
    A Divvy n Equal Titty Ofsah in a Town Hall or NHS outpost near you says:

    Dem whitey is da ray cyst n’ we need more dem compulsry attendunce days ta teach dem fukas da way forwud

  185. 185
    Ol' Blue Eyes says:

    If you don’t vote UKIP, you’re voting to be governed by social democrats in Brussels.

  186. 186
    Anonymous says:

    Tweet her the link then

  187. 187
    Archer Karcher says:

    What’s the difference between Bruin and Cameron other than personality? Both piss money around like water, why Dave even brags about how much he pisses around the world. Last time I looked the EU was still leeching away £50 million a day, while we borrow £440 million a day just to keep things running. NuBluRedYellow are all competing wings of the same socialist party, wake up.

  188. 188
    Rear Orifice says:

    Interesting story. When we pay MPs, do we pay them full time wages? If so how are they able to do so many other jobs such as lucrative directorships? How much do these MPs cost us?

    Not many of them do volunteering do they?

  189. 189
    Archy Bishop of Canterbury says:

    My dear Mr Quango, if I may call you dear, – or Brother Quango for let us not stand on ceremony . . .

    Busy as I am I um must make um time to um answer your points in order that you become informed of the fine nuances and hyperlocutions of your intemperate and if I may say . . somewhat thoughtless and um . . ill considered opinions on the matter of . . um . . Bishops and indeed the Bishopric in general and for that matter the . . um . . Archbishopric . . for there resides in the human heart I am told the unfailing wish to procreate especially if one is driven by the um . . . prospect of um . . um how may I say this . . ? , , um pecuniary benefits which last long after the moment of um . . um . . ‘pleasure’ shall we say . . likewise with those granted the privilege of serving their colleagues stipends . . I mean union dues I mean um . . but some serve that also stand around and attend meetings and preach . . . oh dear . . . ah the dinner gong sounds . . . I will remember you in my prayers tonight . . . as I will the BBC and the Grouniad and all whose work takes to the edge of wage negotiation and restful intercessions . . .

  190. 190
    B.Bob, name changed to stop the modding. says:

    Yes……. the f*cking immy grants !!

  191. 191
    Sir Oswald The Pilgrim says:

    Or as the BBC would say*:
    “That’s 643,776 school meals”
    * But only if it fits their left-wing narrative

  192. 192
    Front Orifice says:

    DOOOO come in!

  193. 193
    B.Bob, name changed to stop the modding. says:

    So have the Immy grants !!

  194. 194
    Archer Karcher says:

    “social democrats”

    Festering “ex” communists, far left socialists and rabid greens morelike. All of them of course, living like gilded royalty, entirely unelected and unremovable.

  195. 195
    25 pounder + 10 Grand Slam as back up says:

    Perhaps I could help persuade the fucker!

  196. 196
    Where are Tony Blair's Expenses says:

    Brown & Blair created 800,000 new pilgrims in 13 years and in that period the number of net manufacturing jobs created was ZERO.

    800,000 non jobs, environmental officers, play co-ordinators, transgender out reach officers etc etc

    All these parasites are taking money from the people who really need the taxpayers help

  197. 197
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Sarcasm o.k. Where are the starving people in the UK?

  198. 198
    bobtheengineer says:

    Earlier today in this blog (See item “Meet Julie…. “) she was quoted as saying:

    “I’m an ordinary teacher. Most of my time’s spent sitting next to teachers who are being sacked or disciplined.”

    I recall that it was news just last week that only 17 teachers out of a force of 400,000 had been let go in the last 10 years due to incompetence etc.

    Lets say that only 10% of all cases result in dismissal, hence about 100 hearings in total in 10 years (maybe a bit low?). That would make her cost about £10,000 per disciplinary, or likely £3,000/hour or so for her (taxpayer funded) services.

    And this calculation assumes she is covering the whole Country, not just one school! If there are 1000 schools in this land, and she represents just one of them, then her effective cost rises pro rata to about £1,000,000 per hearing (you do the sums).

    Surely cheaper to hire a professional solicitor for such occasions?

  199. 199
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Dear Bishops, It’s time you came into the real world. It’s o.k. in HOL with fancy salaries and free this and free that. You think that somone that gets a quarter of what you earn a year is not a living wage. There are millions in the UK that take home much less than £26k a year, and work for it. It’s the tax payers money Bishops not yours!

  200. 200
    Biased Broadcasting Corporation says:

    They most ‘probably’ did not, Patten. The BBC not only devoted hours of its airtime but every means at its disposal (paid for by the taxpayers of course) to hype and broadcast every unsubstantiated claim made by the Guardian, Tom Watson, Chris Bryant, and all the rest of them. The BBC kept the rumours and half-truths coming day after day in order to give the Left a stick to beat Cameron with.

    There ought to be an investigation by OFCOM into the way the BBC reported the phone hacking scandal last year.

  201. 201
    Where are Tony Blair's Expenses says:

    Exactly how many of these Teacher Pilgrims are there around the country – that is the real question we should be trying to get an answer to

  202. 202
    Anonymous says:

    Every teacher is a cost to the taxpayer. The cost of julie’s work is her salary, you cannot add in another person’s salary as well if they are doing the job that Julie is supposed to be doing.

  203. 203
    Anonymous says:

    Your comment stinks – behave like Brown if you want to follow his example and be stupid.

  204. 204
    Anonymous says:

    Yup – very stupid. You should learn how to think and count before posting stuff which is so dim in its reasoning that it is discredited in the eyes of any intelligent person.

    Get a grip – you can rightly count the cost of Julie Davis’s cost of employment but not also that of her replacement. Think about it, how much would costs be reduced if JD went back to her proper job and the replacement was no longer needed and hence moved on?

  205. 205
    Anonymous says:

    Exactly right, so the cost is either Julie Davis’s cost of employment or that of her replacement but not both.

  206. 206
    Anonymous says:

    Either you are lying on purpose or you are stupid.

  207. 207
    Jethro(E.& O. E.) says:

    …sorry to disappoint several of you, but, when I was a teacher, my monthly salary statement always had a figure, under ‘Deductions’ for National Insurance, and another for ‘Superannuation’ (a.k.a Pension contributions: 6% was deducted from my monthly pay for Pension, the school contributed a further, I think, 9%). Yes, it’s a ‘Final Salary’ scheme, but based on 40 years’ service; an ‘eightieth’ scheme – half-final salary as pension, eligibility being from age 60, although, after graduating and doing the mandatory ‘PGCE’, few teachers can do the full 40 years and retire at 60. When I last knew about these things, the Civil Service Pension-scheme was a ‘sixtieth’ scheme. By all means include all costs (what about the school’s impressive contribution each year to he pension…?). It’s a ‘contracted-out’ scheme, so only the basic State Pension is able to be drawn from age 60 (for women), 65 for poor, mere, mortal men…

  208. 208
    Jethro(E.& O. E.) says:

    152 Pundit: he’s ‘part owner of a small business': isn’t that most likely to mean he’s self-employed? For what Benefits are the self-employed eligible?

  209. 209
    Cap em says:

    or something like that!

  210. 210
    Tell it like it really is says:

    Like this :)

  211. 211
    Julie Davies (cors its me!) says:

    151 I was in the Optician’s today, strange series of letters: M E N E…M E N E… T E K E L… u p h a r s i n. Sounds like a hidden message.
    Couldn’t quite decide between the Armani frames, and the Gucci – so went for them both. Fortunately, the Union agrees that they are wholly and necessarily due for the performance of my duties, so will be claimable. Can’t have our reps. looking dowdy now, can we? Could be a gender issue. Still puzzling about those letters, tho.

  212. 212
    Jethro says:

    … but would probably get a job on The Daily Illiterograph!

  213. 213
    Marcus Edwardius says:

    Don’t forget that 40% of men over 40 have erectile dysfunction. But then again, if you’ve seen how 40% of the women over 40 look -then its no surprise….

  214. 214
    Pundit says:

    Tax credits, disability living allowance, housing benefit. For a full list,ask a Romanian.

  215. 215
    How The West Was Lost says:

    Dear Bishops, please fuck off you irrelevant tossers.

  216. 216
    Poverty stricken NQT says:

    Sorry didn’t get a chance to go to eton. Had to fight for my education from a failing school and fund my education by myself. Sorry if us underclass are not allowed an opinion.
    Weird how u view an iOS mistake greater than the free degree u got. The only and correct reason to hate labour.

  217. 217
    Anonymous says:

    Technically that’s not correct. She (or rather the replacement teacher) is costing a teachers salary, and for that we’re getting the one teacher. What the pilgrim is costing us to not do her job is a separate issue.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m completely with you on these leeches, they seriously need to be detached from the public purse, but don’t over-egg the logic, you don’t need to, what’s happening is bad enough anyway!


  218. 218
    Xavier Onassis says:

    I suppose you could say it’s better than ramming marxism down kid’s throats all day, like most teachers do. But, back to work, you old boot, or pay back what you’ve stolen from taxpayers like me!

  219. 219
    Anonymous says:

    Well, that makes three commentators you can understand the “Brownian” financial logic displayed in this post.

    You are double counting the cost in the most puerile manner and barely any of your supporters even notice how dim you are.

  220. 220
    Weygand says:

    I would suggest that you seek help but suspect that you already have, even if this be via pharmaceuticals.

  221. 221
    Universal Hiss says:

    I just adore the Gender Advisory Committee.

    What the fuck does that do?

  222. 222
    pigs in space says:

    Abbot is Hackney, not Haringey. Lynne Featherstone and David Lammy are the local MPs.

  223. 223
    Heteroditus says:

    It’s a queer promotion group

  224. 224
    Bloke in a frock from Canterbury says:

    I hear imaginary voices that have to be fed and housed.

  225. 225
    Anonymous says:

    Agree – you can’t double count Guido – you’ll lose credibility that way

  226. 226
    Double yor money says:

    Oh FFS are you thick or what, it costs the tax payer twice as much to have someone teach the class Davis should be teaching because they have to pay TWO people. what the fuck dont you understand about this. Are you an advisor to Ed Balls or something ?

  227. 227
    Non job bollox says:

    Gives advic to genders ?

  228. 228
    docwhom says:

    Very funny given all the digs Guido has made at “Brownies” over the years for fiddling figures in order to con people.

    There are two teachers here each being paid, say £35,000 pa. The first one doesn’t teach and the second one does teach in order to cover for the first.

    So, a cost of £70,000 in return for work of a value of only £35,000. That’s a waste of £35,000, not £70,000.

    Unless you start from the position of the average poster on this thread that education is wrong (quite how half of them would know is beyond me), in which case I suppose you could argue that it’s £70,000 wasted.

  229. 229
    SWH says:

    Also, if you’re going to insist that public sector workers don’t pay tax, then you shouldn’t quote their gross salaries as being the cost to the taxpayer but only their net salaries which for a gross salary of £35,000 would be under £25,000.

    Perhaps this is the most outrageous things about these pilgrims. If they were spending their time actually teaching, think how many more of Guido’s readers might have a basic grasp of Maths.

  230. 230
    Anonymous says:

    How many more of these are there Guido?


  231. 231
    I'll have some of that says:

    Couldn’t agree more it was incessant. Patten – I think the Chinese had your measure, fat complacement arsehole

  232. 232
    I'll have some of that says:

    Plenty of reasons to hate labour, and yr heart’s in the right place.

  233. 233
    Jasmin Alibi Cunt says:

    Cu’nt rag

  234. 234
    Julie Davis, Parasite cunt says:


  235. 235
    Ivor Tapeworm says:


    You are being disingenuous.

    If A was supposed to be teaching, and B does the work, then B is simply a normal worker and is out of the equation. B works and is paid for the work.

    The only EXTRA cost is the cost of A, doing union work instead. It is the EXTRA cost that is controversial. Paying B to do work that IS done is not an issue.

    Guido risks losing credibilty by this double counting. He will undermine his anti-pilgrim campaign if he resorts to such absurd calculations and arguments.

    The case against pilgrims is strong enough without having to resort to such nonsense.

  236. 236
    er um says:

    …..Hunting One-eyed Scotchmen with Dogs Act… whilst enjoying a fag and a pint whilst doing so.

    Now THAT would get my vote.

  237. 237
    er um says:

    It ENgenders serious anger from ordinary folk.

  238. 238
    Ed Ukashun says:

    You’ve clearly been sitting in arithmetic classes, waiting for a teacher to be freed up from union duties.

  239. 239

    Thanks for enlightening us. Still doesn’t get away from the fact that all these costs add up and the bill presented to the taxpayer for this woman’s Pilgrimage is significantly higher than the 35,000 base cost.

  240. 240

    I spend a lot of my time sitting next to accountants. Doesn’t make me one.

  241. 241
    Anonymous says:

    Nope. Dianne Abbott is Hackney.

  242. 242
    Mrs Hyancinths' Bucket says:

    SWH Why should the tax payer pick up the tab of £25,000, plus pension contributions, for a full time Trade Union and Labour activist ? How many hours has she spent teaching children in the last ten years ?

  243. 243
    Grim says:

    “As a taxpayer I find this sickening.”

    That’s why I changed my lifestyle to a modest one that avoids as much tax as possible.
    This is something most taxpayers can do: You don’t need all the status shit, that’s for people with chips on their shoulders.

  244. 244
    Four-eyed English Genius says:

    I thought that translated to “not quite total crap!”

  245. 245
    Oliver Cromwell says:

    Adding costs for both her and the replacement is double counting. At least one of them would be employed either way.

    I agree she should be fired but misleading claims will backfire.

  246. 246
    SWH says:

    I’m not saying that the taxpayer should. I’m saying that, if you object to picking up a £25K tab, you shouldn’t do so by pretending that you’re picking up a £70K tab.

  247. 247
    Mrs Hyacinths' Bucket says:

    Yes I agree with your point re double counting, however if she is replaced by a supply teacher, they come at a higher rate. In addition, there is a cost to the tax payer for administering the tax of the replacement.

  248. 248
    Synic says:

    Did Julie Davies have any involvement with Sharon Shoesmith’s dismissal and claim? Any FoI on this Guido?

  249. 249
    Researching Julie says:

    Having researched the school website, Facebook, Rate My Teacher, even FriendsReunited I am as yet unable to find just one mention of this phantom of Northumberland Park Community School’s imagination. Not one mention of our sweet Julie, yet evidently there she has been for a number of years.

    Obv a well respected, popular, motivating teacher for the youngsters of Tottenham.

    Not an ordinary teacher as she claims I would suggest.

  250. 250
    No wossname without thingy says:

    Any reason why tax-payers could not bring a class action against her and other pilgrims to reclaim the money taken from them?

  251. 251
    Indigo says:

    No, because you cannot also factor the replacement teacher in as an additional loss – you hired a teacher, then they went on TU duties full-time.

    The replacement you hire is only the teacher you would have had anyway, so that part is zero sum.

    Have the TPA been doing this kind of double counting? Hmmm…

    Bit misleading and dare I say sensationalist of you, Guido mate.

  252. 252
    Indigo says:

    Oh, bit like the vaulted private sector, then?

    jgm2, these aren’t ‘make-weight jobs’, they are part of a rational organisational structure. Workers need mangers, managers need overall oversight and direction, same as what works in just about every company.

    BTW, do you actually have any recent experience of state schools? Or teaching and what it actually involves? I suspect that perhaps you might not.

  253. 253
    Indigo says:


    Professional associations, such as the General Medical Council, are there to oversee standards, and to discipline any of the profession who act innapropriately or are found guilty of misconduct, etc.

    A trade union is a different thing – I’ll give you that originally unions were related to particular trades, but that association has been outdated since the beginning of the 20th century.

    Hey, I’m being pedantic, I know. Wouldn’t want anything here to mislead, though.

  254. 254
    Indigo says:

    How intelligent.

    We can all see from that why you, Guido, TURC and the TPA are chasing this cause.

  255. 255
    Indigo says:

    That’s pretty disingenuous, Remittance Man.

    The original salary would have been the salary the full-time rep would have been costing if she had been teaching.

    The additional teacher is a cost, but that’s a zero sum game as that teacher is actually doing the job the TU rep would have been doing, anyhow.

    Double counting gets spotted – and your defence of it, and the use of £1m as a headline figure, gives off a whiff of intellectual dishonesty.

  256. 256
    Anonymous says:

    I just wonder how this parasite manages to fill her day

  257. 257
    richard sniffer & he's wife fanny says:

    I wonder how this parasite fills her day when there’s no strikes on. AND don’t forget thousands in holiday pay

  258. 258
    UK Fred says:

    Ivot Tapeworm has not quite got it right. The true cost of these pilgrims is the cost of their replacements, including pension rights and benefits in kind and ingnoring the saries and benefits paid to the pilgrims. Add to those the additional costs of office accomodation, telephone, fax, secretarial support and postage and you’re getting somewhere.

    But then we need to look at the benefits that having such people do union work gives to society. For one, think how many fewer pupils have been poisoned by the evil socialist minds of these politician wannabees. I’m sure there are others.

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Boris on British Jihadis. Apparently based on MI5 intel:

“If you look at all the psychological profiling about bombers, they typically will look at porn. They are literally w***ers. Severe onanists. They are tortured. They will be very badly adjusted in their relations with women, and that is a symptom of their feeling of being failures and that the world is against them. They are not making it with girls, and so they turn to other forms of spiritual comfort — which of course is no comfort.”

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