Kellner Makes the Case for Clegg to Support a Referendum
The pollster and commentator Peter Kellner has written an open letter to Nick Clegg suggesting that to save himself in 2012 he backs an In/Out referendum, he argues that the Yes side would win because Cameron would join Ed Miliband and Alex Salmond in campaigning for a Yes. Kellner believes, somewhat optimistically, a united political class would overcome entrenched popular opinion and press opposition.
They would, in Kellner’s view, sway currently €uro-sceptic public opinion in the course of the campiagn to the Yes side. Given that Clegg’s negative public approval rating has gone from a terrible -40% to a catastrophic -55% this would for once put Clegg on the public’s side of an argument. Kellner argues that if Clegg called for a referendum he would receive the public’s credit, Cameron would have to concede. Tory backbenchers would demand it and Cameron would not be able to resist the Tory right and the LibDems combined.
Kellner is a technocratic pollster and this has a certain Machiavellian logic to it. Guido has one other reason why Clegg should call for an In/Out referendum: he promised one without any Cameron cast-iron “if the treaty isn’t signed” wiggle room or qualification.
Clegg promised in writing
The Liberal Democrats believe that Britain should have a referendum, not on the narrow question of adopting this new treaty, but on the big question that faces Britain, whether we remain a part of the EU or not.
The question of Britain’s place in the European Union has poisoned our national politics for decades. As a nation, we need to lance this boil and decide once and for all if we want to be a part of this European Union or not.
So he can outflank the Tories on Europe and restore some of his lost trust. Why is he waiting to honour his promise?
If politicons represnted us then it would be a no brainer!
He is A Fu-king idiot. The whole Ponsi Euro Get quick Scheme supporting the Kinnocks of every State Licking up the cream Agenda and Fu-k every one. That is what he wants us to support. He is obviously mental. We already have enough self serving lost the plot merchants in Parliament, NO MORE
Did he mention building a few more windmills, so that we can have the most expensive energy in the world and the most politicians sucking at the TAX payers Tit. Get the TAX UP quick so the Politicians can prop up their Sh-t schemes and wages and every other part of the economy that they have broken.
Why don’t you speak your mind?
Why don’t you spe&k your mind?
BTW moderation is crap when one can’t write sp+ak.
P Moddy Botty is not a spell checker only flags up when curtain names are menrioned and various other words, can be very slow.
The day the EU began to crumble:
So now the master plan is clear “No Tank’s or Kalashnikovs before Christmas !
Many a true word spoken in jest !
Bring it on you fucking Wop’s
Hannan; Financial Union : FU I wish I had thought that one up.
’tilting at windmills’ ?.
Can’t help thinking Guido has made a tactical error here.
He should have said: NO, DON’T DO THAT YET, we’d all vote to stay in, wait till a couple of EU countries go bankrupt.
Now Clegg and Cameron, who read this blog has seen Guidos remarks, they won’t go ahead.
Besides which, in an IN/OUT referendum, exactly which side is “YES”?
When our dear masters frame a question in a referendum, they frame it with a slant so that most people vote that way
Matters not a jot,though we all (most) wish to leave
the biggest gravy train in history,our dear leaders ASPIRE
to this slug infested swamp of steamy fetid deals !.
If Cameron hands over the £25 billion this afternoon to those feckless socialist bastards he may as well go & hand out heroin to every other junkie in the West
By not waging war on Afghanistan’s poppy fields (the real threat to the UK) the last lot and the current lot have done just that………
I’ll give you a clue. Clegg denigrates Britain and its culture on a regular basis. Only recently he claimed we were a “pygmy” nation. France thought it was open game season to criticise Britain as Clegg gave the all clear.
He is an atheist and wants to change the Christian values upon which this country and culture is built. He wants to change the monarchy, he wants to change marriage and wants to scrap any idea that would support such notions ie tax breaks fro married couples.
Whilst an MEP Clegg, for four years, wrote a fortnightly column for Guardian Unlimited. One particular article in 2002 accused Gordon Brown of encouraging “condescension” towards Germany. In an article, Clegg wrote that “all nations have a cross to bear, and none more so than Germany with its memories of Nazism. But the British cross is more insidious still. A misplaced sense of superiority, sustained by delusions of grandeur and a tenacious obsession with the last war, is much harder to shake off”.[38][39. The article was dusted down during the 2010 General Election campaign when the Daily Mail interpreted the article as being a "Nazi slur on Britain" and Clegg had begun to feel the full heat of the British tabloid press following his success during the first leaders debate.
All in all he is not a very nice person to Britain and he should take his leave and live in Europe ASAP. Wipe the Lie Dumbs off the political map.
Russia got out because so many troops got
into the evil poppies derivatives !,that was the beginning
of the ‘Russian Mafia’.
Today as we all realise (or should) that the majority of
Afghan ‘products’ are Russian based !! & then distributed
to the Worlds !!.
Russia still has a HUGE drug problem.
Whatever is:
“The whole Ponsi Euro Get quick Scheme supporting the Kinnocks of every State Licking up the cream Agenda and Fu-k every one.”
supposed to mean?
Work it out.
Why not use literate English so that your point is clear? Or is your paranoia so extreme that it prevents you from writing coherently?
Why? It wouldn’t give you anything to TALK about.
I can always continue to remind people that you are so paranoid that you believe that the IRA is part of Military Intelligence.
PYRAMID SCHEME, all is clear !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
SO FUCKING OBVIOUS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Farage says Ukip could offer Tories electoral pact in return for referendum
Yup. That would bring an immediate nil % increase in in the number of Conservative seats, plus if Cammo carries on playing off the Coalition factions against each other, sorry, I meant Standing Up For Britain, Sufficient UKIP voters will migrate back to the Tories anyway. Farage is fighting for his political life and it shows.
A referendum merely complicates a simple solution.
Just stop the bail outs and sending the EU £50 million a day and watch it implode. All perfectly legal and above board, as the EU accounts have not been signed off for 17 ye*ars, there is not a thing they could do about it.
+1
fighting for his political life?
opinions differ
I don’t think so, he is fighting get his name in lights because the UKippers seem to be fading, they are trying to show that they are more than a one cause party, because if they don’t folks might as well vote Tory as a lot of Tories seem to want out of the EU (they then have to say waht happens then)
“Farage is fighting for his political life”
You ConFoam trolls are really, really bothered by our Nigel.
Admit it – he has more Conser4vative credentials than all of your faux fake Topry front bench put together.
I was like you. Then one morning I woke up & realised that DC was spending more than Labour, was letting in more immigrants than Labour & is a fully paid up member of the Euro elite.
Throw off your blinkers – join us in UKIP & be the change the Tory Party needs.
+1
B B just loves his smile
a few years ago lib dems in government was unthinkable – jonah changed all that
Conservatives still fighting that flat growth, poor education is thier fault – they still dont blame last government…… for anything!
So while libs may be unpopular – they will still get a bounce as instead of voters thinking a libdem vote is protest – in future we will always know that they could end up in power….
The other reason is that the Referendum could be rigged to deliver a YES vote.
For a bit of Christmas reading, buy a copy of the book ‘The Aachen Memorandum’ by Andrew Roberts to see how easily this could be achieved by those who enthusiastically wave ‘Treason’s Spangled Banner’ …
Petition:
No more British taxpayers money for the EU or IMF:
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/21407
+ 1 – already signed!
Me too.
Me too Sandra!
Signed
“If politicons represnted us then it would be a no brainer!”
Billy? Winning prizes.. talking sense…
Please stop it at once! Frankly, it’s unnerving…
heel bee spelin propa nxt – yoo wate an sea
Oh please join the Yes Camp Cleggers.
Your popularity did wonders to the AV Camp didn’t it
Kellner, surely not “He is married to Catherine Ashton, Baroness Ashton of Upholland, a Labour Party politician and the first High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy.”
not quite an unbiased chappy….
So Kellner believes in the tooth fairy.
It would be good to give the tooth fairy some of his teeth.
Married to Ashton ?Poor bastard !
god he must have been desperate
Is he like her an apologist for CND and unelected politicians?
Yougov – they seem to have gained considerable prominence and influence over the last few years. Two of their founders – Stefan Shakespeare and Nadhim Zahawi (now a Tory MP) seem to exert undue influence over the Cameroonians (and it’s all from the fuzzy , progressive side of the spectrum)
You left out under Ashton’s title,Labour stooge,Trot and shoo in without a vote courtesy of Gordon you could also add another title “totally fxxxxing useless” but where Labour politicians are concerned thats normally par for the course.
He must have a strong stomach…..
as well as being a tw8t
In or out of what? It’s all falling apart. Anyway, if the sceptics are positive and offer a better alternative to the current shambles, they will win. Kellner is being a bit too clever…
To answer your question: Because he’s a twat.
Kellner, Milipede Minor, or both?
Whichever way I agree!
Takes one to know on, Anonymous, you twat. If you’ve nothing to say, why not fuck off the blog once and for all?
Why believe anything Eurofanatic Clegg says anyway?
He’s just carrying out Brussels and his wife’s instructions.
Kellner and Mrs Kellner…… the gravy train runs and runs…
How beastly are the political class and their hangers on?
On another bent, I thought Kellner, by definition as a pollster, is supposed to be impartial.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
does that include his missus ??
@ Popeye 12:39 pm. We are all as impartial as our prejudices allow.
YouGov is the same polling organisation that consistently underplays the importance of Europe to the public. If it’s so unimportant, how come Rusty is spanking Special Ed in the polls now that he is seen as a bit sceptical?
As to the compilation of the data, yes, of course he’s supposed to be impartial; you can’t get the true picture if you decide which polls are important and which are not, weight them accordingly, and apply less rigour to the gathering of one set of results as opposed to another. But pollsters hired by the parties and individual politicians are employed with a view to using the results for nuancing a position to get more of the electorate on their side, as opposed to media-hired pollsters, whose remit is to find whether the nuancing worked.
Perhaps the most egregious lack-of-impartiality polls are what are called “push polls,” which are ostensibly polls about how voters feel about candidates, but which are done to plant ideas in voters’ heads; the classic version is the one in which the pollster asks which party the voter generally votes for and (let us say it is a Conservative pollster who’s just been answered with “Labour”) proceeds to ask a question on the order of “Would it change your mind if Ed Miliband could be proven to have an IQ of 60?”
Sometimes it’s all in how you ask the question: There’s an old shtetl story about two boys who come to the Rabbi, and one asks,”Rebbe, is it OK to smoke whilst you pray?” to which the Rabbi answered “Sacrilege!” The other boy asks, “Rebbe, is it OK to pray whilst you smoke?” to which the Rabbi said, “Now you’re just busting my balls!”
Peter Kellner is typical of those who believe they should be the ruling elite. I question his abilities as a pollster if he cannot understand the strength and depth of anti EU feeling in England and the anger of people towards him and his ilk!
I always get the impression 98% of the people posting here think there should be a ruling elite, and delude themselves into thinking they’re part of it.
But you got a reality check in May ’10. didn’t you?
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I know exactly who you’re thinking about…..Jimmy.
98% of the posters on here (well, more like 50% if you discount Billy, Jimmy and the innumerable anonymous Labour trolls) believe there should be far less state for any ruling elite to fuck up. As for me – I’d hate to be part of any government of whatever colour, I just want them to keep out of my way as far as possible as I meander through life.
“98% of the posters on here (well, more like 50% if you discount Billy, Jimmy and the innumerable anonymous Labour trolls)”
Do you work for the Treasury?
If you read the original Sun article, Cameron simply pledged a referrendum. The ‘wriggle-room’ was added later.
I sometimes wonder why we use this word ‘pledge’ in these cases of politicians lying to us for our votes. A pawnbroker gets something in return for the money he lends on pledge; not just his capital and interest, but the right to hold collateral. The electorate gets zip.
“Manifesto pledges are not subject to legitimate expectation”
J G McMental, 7th Feb 2008.
Cameron ‘pledged’ a referendum before Brown and the other bastards pushed the lisbon Treaty through parliament and signed it. Obviously once signed there was no point in having a referendum on whether or not to sign the Lisbon Treaty.
It was the LibDems who repeated they would have an in/out referendum.
It is not abvious at all there was ‘no point’. Then or now. Many people are firmly convinced they were told a barefaced lie by the Conservatives.
But I thought it was the Raving Scotch Imbecile who originally promised us an IN/OUT referendum on which he duly (and predictably, reneged)? I must keep away from the wine gums as they seem to be affecting my memory.
He lied too.
What is the point of having a referendum on whether or not to sign up to the Act, which labour re-named ‘Lisbon Treaty’ when the creep Brown and the lying labour party had already signed and left government.
If the referendum at a cost of £millions had been held and the answer NO, then nothing could have been done. If the answer had been yes, so what we were already signed up.
Labour wasted £billions for 13 years, the new government could start a term demonstrating the same waste of taxpayers money.
You seem to think that treaties can’t be revoked by a sovereign people. They can.
A plebiscite of the people negates any government treaty.
Treaties cannot be revoked. We can leave eu as a whole but not revoke treaties that have already been signed.
By ‘Convinced’, I assume you mean by the arch-convincers – the BBBC
You expect a verbatim quote from the Sun?
As long as she’s got big tits.
The majority of the UK electorate don’t give a stuff which party or political leader calls for a referendum, as long as one of the plonkers does.
A referendum certainly comes top of my New Year wish list, as I suspect it does for millions of others.
1)Give the people of this country their say about the EU and euro by giving the EU an ultimatum in terms of our continued EU membership and financial support, with control of our own immigration, fishing, farming, financial, legal and business regulations, and restore the UK to an agreement only on a ‘Common Market’. Whatever is agreed or not, be put to the people of the UK by means of an in/out referendum.
2)Establish approximately equal size constituencies, and sort out the fraudulent postal voting system.
3)Increase all 20% taxpayers personal allowance to a realistic figure of £15,000 per year and link to earnings.
4)Reduce the number of members of the House of Lords to no more than the same as the House of Commons.
5)Scrap all ‘Pilgrims’ in the public sector including Councils immediately.
6)Scrap the fraudulent Trade Union Modernisation Fund immediately.
7)Scrap all the overseas ‘jollies’ by members of both houses disguised as fact finding visits, these infuriate voters who pay for them.
8)Carry out the cull of Quangos which was promised and has not been done.
9)Provide public London accommodation for all MP’s to enable attendance at the House of Commons.
10)Get the abused welfare system sorted out so that genuine people in need through unemployment, sickness or disability are properly funded and abusers properly punished.
nevered, could be a ten point manifesto. You probably need some help from the engles though.
Good list, but I would ban postal voting outright. If you can’t get to the polling station, tuff, you don’t get to vote.
Never Red. Best post of 2011
You forgot the introduction of a flat tax. 10% should do it, with £15000 tax free pay.
A bloody good list! All do-able, would save money and improve democracy..
NeverRed : Brilliantly put. Well said!
Clegg won’t do anything that will harm his future EU career. That is all.
+1. And I suspect the same goes for RedEd and Cammo. As RedEd is the least capable, he’ll get the highest position.
“As RedEd is the least capable, he’ll get the highest position.”
Judging by Kinnochio’s and ‘Action’ Ashton’s meteoric rise, Milimong is destined for the top slot in the EUSSR corporation…
He doesn’t have a future career.
Mr Clegg, he is a dead man talking and no amount of smoke and mirrors can cover up his hypocrisy.
He is typical of so many M P’s, on the ear role with nothing of interest to commend them, in short an expensive unelected joke!
Because he was with the prime minister from the outset. This is just a PR move. Nick Robinson has stated for fact that clegg knew of the decision. They are separating themselves because the EU decision was bound to be unpopular. If one person opposes it then at least the public have one person ‘supporting’ them in the government
Good day to die ??
Donald Neilson, the serial killer known as the Black Panther, has died, the Ministry of Justice has said.
Another one bites the dust..
Good, that will save a few quid on the prisons budget.
Perhaps some more can be encouraged to follow suit.
Political crisps.
Eric ‘pickles onions’
Smokey ‘Bercow’
Ed Balls ‘piss ‘n Vinegar’
‘Nik Nack’ Cleggs.
Harriet Harman’s ‘Monster Minge.’
Sally’s ‘beef curtains’
Prescott’s own brand maxi mega pack – 50 assorted old bags.
Cameron’s hand cut by paupers kettle chips
Ed Miliband’s ‘Quivers’
Chukka Polo mints?
Osborne’s sherbit dip
Thought it was Osbourne’s Liquorice Lashings?
Nick Clegg EU Chicken flavour
Simon Hughes Semen salt flavour
Hazel Blears Red Bush flavour
David Laws Chocolate starfish flavour
Chris Bryant – chutney favoured Ringos.
William Hague – Prawn Cock Tale
Baroness Ashton – plain
Why is Clegg not campaigning for an in/out referendum? Because a referendum promise is only for an election, not for life!!!
We want out of the EU for life, not just for Christmas.
They better all get the tea pot off the shelf and see what they can scrape together
The Italians have loads of money hidden under the matresses.
I would like a vote. I’m 45 and have Never been asked.
A lot of the first voters are no longer alive so this should go to the people who it affects now.
Of the ones that are
I have never met one who voted yes
including myself
I still savour the success we FibDems had with last year’s AV referendum.
The only people who were successful were the electorate
…for a change!
The Dear Leader is dead. Yes folks Ed Miliband died at PMQs last Wednesday.
Ho ho ho
Pigs. Flying.
Am I the only one who is confused by Guido’s narrative? By “Yes” does he mean Yes to a referendum or Yes to remaining in Europe? By “No” to an “In/Out” question, does he mean in or out?
Sharpen up, Fawkes.
“……negative public approval rating has gone from a terrible -40% to a catastrophic -55%….. blah ………”
Sounds like a positive approval rating to me. Can they not get the staff these days?
You going to the dump this afternoon, E?
Yeah, ought to, I suppose. I, literally, can’t move for empty cider bottles. How did you know it was me, by the way?
Your IP address gives you away.
The dump has got squeezed right out.
My pleasure.
Still waiting for them to agree on what the definition of a Treaty is, until it is proven one way or the other whether Higgs boson actually exists we are all left in an ever increasing circle of the meaning semantics.
If we were to be given a simple In/Out referendum, then the ‘Outs’ will win by around 57:43.
While an EFTA-style European trading bloc appeals intrinsically – we are after all, a globalised trading nation that sealed its long term identity and wealth on the back of a globalised, trade-driven empire – political and fiscal unification does not. Part of that is down to our experience in two world wars as victors and liberators; part down to our island status and the ‘separateness’ it engenders; part-down to our parliamentary democratic tradition (remember that?); part down to a natural, well-justified suspicion of the French and the Germans; part down to a millennium of sovereign independence (remember that?); and part-down to natural mid-Atlanticism and an instinctive affinity within the Anglo-Saxon, Anglophone zone. While the continental European elite has long been attracted by Bonapartesque super-statism, we have not been – and never will. We have the Commonwealth – an under-tapped asset if ever there was one – we have options for NAFTA, we have the emerging powerhouse markets of China, India, Brazil and others. To whit, a return to the even-handed globalism that is hard-wired in our national DNA.
Ever since UKIP denuded the conservative party of that vital extra bit of reach, the tories have been politically hobbled. That final inch makes all the difference. A Tory/UKIP deal on an In/Out referendum delivering right of centre reunification and a UKIP step-aside in May 2015 must be in mind – with or without Cameron. It satisfies the natural ‘small c’ conservatism of the voting majority and as the recent veto reaction verifies, captures the long-standing (and suppressed) anti-EU stance of our citizenry.
So; bring it on. Whatever daydream the liberal left lives in and however they think they can finesse a notional ‘yes’ from an inherent ‘no’, these useful idiots can in fact help do all those with common sense a big, big favour …
And what would happen if an IN/OUT EU referendum was announced ?
Within ten days, Frau Merkin would send in one of her Gauleiters to take over the running of the country. It happened to the Greeks, and it happened to the Italians even before they’d got round to talking about a referendum.
The only way it could be achieved now would be to slip the referendum question onto the Council Election ballot papers next May, without telling anyone in advance – and that way we’d also get a result unpolluted by the BBC propaganda machine. Even Merkozy would struggle to get the placement in office before the count was announced. Worth a try ?
Well, the last time the Krauts tried that it failed at Calais…
(And I LIKE the krauts)
cant wait for new labour leader to face salmond , the debate will resemble albert einstein talking to a block of wood!
Two blocks of wood pretending to be Albert Einsteins surely?.
I got all A*s, innit?
A block of wood has more Charisma than Ms Lamont. It should also be noted that she did not win the vote of Labour Members but rather like Milliband minor she got through on the Union block vote.
If we don’t win now we need our arses kicking.
“Within ten days, Frau Merkel would send in one of her Gauleiters…”
Now where did I park my Spitfire?…
And who let Nigg@r of the leash?.
Dunno. But when you find it my Lancaster’s fuelled and ready.
I fooled you with the ‘dodgy dossier’; you fools will fall for my next ‘smoke and mirrors’ document to get you to stay in the EU. My masters chance of being the next EU president of the world, sorry EU, depends upon it.
British political parties are morphing into
totalitarian elite structures of Government.
Why ask for a vote when you know best.
Kellner is wrong: Clegg campaigning for Yes wouldn’t add value to him, it would subtract value from the Yes campaign.
People would vote No because Clegg says Yes.
Q. Why did Calamity Clegg cross the road ?
A. Because he promised he wouldn’t.
Oiii! This ain’t your farkin’ country!
Go back home you frog/kraut/mick/yank/spick/eyetie/dago filth and leave the benefits for decent chavs like me.
Croydon chavette may have made a reasonable point of view inarticulately and offensively.
However, in the country I grew up in, it would have never warrented being sent to prison for.
That it is now, shows how far down the totalitarian path we as a nation have trod and how awful government has become.
I have never met anyone who voted to join the trade agreement that has become the monster it is today, i voted no on the basis that if the French were in it no good would come of it, when we get a vote on getting out of it we should mobilise an army of observers to watch every box every step of the way until the votes are counted and announced because we cant let the crooked bastards screw us over again.
There was every appearance of shenanigans going on at the second ballot in Eire (YouTube had plenty of examples of suspicious-looking behaviour).
It would never happen here, of course. Because we will never be given the chance to have our referendum.
RIP Ronnie Wolfe – creator of On the Buses.
Finally arrived at the terminus.
Typical !! Three have come at once. Get in line, guys: Christopher was first, Kimmy next then you, Ronnie. Thanks.
St Peter groans, pour me a stiff one love, talk about bad week at the office, first an atheist, then a despot and to cap it all…
Václav was direct entry I suppose. None of this annoying purgatory nonsense run by some demented encoding that should have disappеared
down the waste disposal unit long ago, had the washing up been done regularly.
I ‘ate you Butler.
RIP Ronald.
Ohooo Ohooo I’ll Get you Wolfey
The way things are going, we might not need a referendum.
The whole economic union thing is teetering on the brink, and probably about to collapse in a big heap. If that happens, it’ll probably knock a big dent in the political union thing.
As it becomes more and more obvious that the whole thing is a giant waste of money, there will be more political pressure not to fund it so extensively, to get our fishing grounds back, and to be far more selective about regulations passed into law. The thing will slowly strangle itself, until what’s left is what we should have aimed for in the first place – a free trade area with close cultural and diplomatic links between sovereign nations.
Trouble is, if/when the single currency eventually fails, they will simply park that idea for a decade or two and put all their efforts into rushing forward with more political union – i.e. finally getting the horse in front of the cart.
Once political union is achieved (and thus all realistic prospects of any democracy finally banished), they can then move back to fiscal union, unfettered by any concern about popular approval.
And that’s why we need an IN/OUT referendum, with an OUT result, now.
Yes, we have the Soviet model to follow. That lasted all of about 70 years. How long has the E U been going now?
In one form or another, the EU has been around for 66 years. With luck and a financial crisis, it’s due a soviet style collapse, into well deserved oblivion.
Could it, perchance, simply be that our glorious Parliament is too hopeless to stand on its own feet after all these years of the European grown-ups exercising the real power?
A poetical chap, albacore
While posting was modded once more
One can only assume
The offending legume
Just proves that the modbot’s a whore.
Everybody should just call it/them Europain from now on, you never know it might catch on and make it to the next edition of the C*O*D.
Ah Mr Kellner the husband of one of the biggest eu troughers, baroness ashton, alongside the kinnnochios .
Of course the biased grasping old twit would be very sad to see us leave the eu. Think of all the money his talentless, rather useless wife would stop bringing home!
There used be a word for a man who lived off his wife’s immoral earnings.
I don’t think it has been obliterated yet either, although it now seems to be used in a different contect – as in pimp my ride etc.
Is there a word for a wife who lives in a house bought with her husbands immoral earnings ?
Is house bought from immoral earnings the same as a house of ill repute?
Harman – ising
The Ex
If the referendum was put to the electorate i suspect out would be an overwhelming answer and that is why Clogg will not make good on his promise to hold one.
We’ve already had Liebour go to the courts to cancel their refe rendum promises and we’ve already seen their leader sneak over to Eu rope the following day after all the pictures had been taken to sign us up to the “Lisb on Tre aty”, I don’t believe any party will take any notice of the “will of the people” because they only have a limited political life and need to move on where the troughing is better.
Dan Han “how’s that working out for you?”
perfect!
The expression on Clegg’s face looks as though he is experiencing
one of the overrated practices described by Christopher Hitchens.
What, a picnic?
Anal sex with a Lobster after a few bottles of Bollinger.
Fuck You!, (tee hee).
“short blimp”? I’ve never heard Sarky called that before.
It was with great personal distress I received the sad news of Kims untimely death after his long Il-ness.
By the way, ‘Kellner’ is the German word for ‘waiter’. Did you know I speak 243 languages ??
Think of Toilets Muckguire and Brown, they just go together naturally.
Just been announced that the doctor who challenged the attorney general’s decision not to hold an inquest into Dr K e lly’s death has had his appeal rejected by a court. Another day in which Blair and Campbell sit back and smirk.
A state broadcaster was in mourning for the loss of one of its favourite murdering leaders/terrorists. A woman reporter burst into tears at his death.
This could only happen in a Communist Country with a willing state run broadcaster.
“…Hundreds of listeners complained to the corporation about the Radio 4 broadcast in October 2004, in which BBC correspondent Barbara Plett admitted to crying as an ill Arafat was airlifted to hospital…”
He wouldn’t have died if his name had been Kim Jong Well.
Clegg is a silly boy who rose against all odds to becoem the class milk monitor
I used to enjoy playing the part of Private Godfrey.
Bin Laden, Gaddafi and Jong-Il all dead in the same year. Now all we need is Blair and Bush to kick the bucket and it’ll be the greatest year ever.
Just been announced that a do c tor who challenged the attorney general’s decision not to hold an inquest into the death of David K e l l y has been rejected in court. Blair and Campbell get to smirk for another day.
Who really cares about a politically motivated assassination?, now that NOTW has been shut down they can all jump into the vacuum and mutually masturbate themselves at great public expense about, err, somebodies voice mail?.
Why is there so much spite amongst labour MPs?
I almost nodded off there.
Total EU population 502million.
Total UK population 62 million
Cameron therefore got outvoted 440/62. By waving his veto in the air Cameron is preventing 402 million people going down the road they want.
If he was a football manager Cameron’s position is akin to playing away midweek and losing 7-1. Most managers would h
Throw us out of the EU, I would if I could, who gives a toss about any football analogies,give us a referendum in or out not , not take it to the courts and get a tame judge to tell a load of crap as Liebour did ,thats why reddy eddy hasn’t any policies,he can’t because no one would believe liebour ever again, all they will get now is here come the judge, oh yes fck off please.
How many of the 402 million people you speak of do you think want to go down that road that they are being “prevented of” and I say that as a life long Accrington Stanley supporter.
Wrong – Cameron didn’t veto anything, so the EU tell us.
He avoided being trapped in to writing a blank cheque to pay for something in which we are not involved. Irrespective of his underlying motive – it was the correct decision, and now we can be very cautious about joining the desperate sluicing of money in to the Euro project, something in which even Germany is showing signs of being less than fully committed.
Hold a referendum – make my day. The unanimous support of all political parties would ensure it getting an ‘Out’ vote.
What Kellner is probably thinking, is that his old chums at the BBC will dominate the argument for the europhiles.
Crypto-leftist clegg cannot promulgate referendumism because power-need overrides the dibursal of choices to the non-entitled churls. His europhillia derives from eternal hopes of from-above power-apparatus participation, not proletarian mandate.
Why is he waiting to honour his promise?</i.
Because Miriam is on a nice little euroearner already which she doesn't want to lose and Cleggie doesn't want to blow his own chances of a ticket on the chemin de gravy.