December 14th, 2011

After PMQs Labour Insiders Doubt Ed Miliband Will Last Out 2012

Peter Hain is considered by Ed Miliband’s people to be something of an elder statesman, he was an early backer of Ed for leader and has reaped the benefit of that since. After what was a mauling at PMQs, judged one of Ed’s worst outings by many, Hain’s judgement was up there with the legendary Comical Ali. He reached for that old standby, blaming the Tory press…

Unfortunately in reality even the friendly left-wing press were underwhelmed. The Guardian’s Nicholas Watt, the Indy’s John Rentoul, Newsnight’s comrade Paul Mason, ubiquitous leftie Owen Jones and LabourList’s Mark Ferguson were all shaking their heads wistfully.

The more neutral observers such as the BBC’s Nick Robinson said that Miliband had “taken a pasting”, Total Politics described it as excruciating to watch. It was especially excruciating for Labour’s backbenchers and frontbenchers alike who go home for Christmas behind in the polls and on the wrong side of the public on Europe and the economy. Some are even talking of a Yvette Cooper / David Miliband dream ticket next year. That is how desperate they are getting…


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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Guido, start a e-petiton to keep Ed in charge , we should be able top get 100k, would be a fun debate.

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    Would you all watch this? Ken Livingstone’s Christmas present to London: tube strikes.

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    A question... says:

    Is indy’s JR ( not Ewing) a leftie?

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    chinky bear keeper says:

    “the more neutral observers such as the BBC’s Nick Robinson…”

    Guido …you are such a fecking joker… neutral …. ahahahahahahahah!

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    Peter Hain says:

    Dont I look lovely, I might have to go and beat off over my photo

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    Charlotte Hale - Chair PERSON - Wolverhampton University Young Nazi Club! says:

    Noooo noooooo noooooooooo – lovely Eddy is a wonderful leader and very capable!

    Emma Reynolds and me often rub our fannies hard in the office whilst watching recordings of little Eddy getting trashed by cameron – errr I meant Eddy trashing Cameron in the commons!

    Ed Balls-Hitler is so handsome too!

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    rocknrolla says:

    We must all remember that over this last week we have learnt that Ed Miliband, Nick Clegg, the BBC and the Guardian are all in favour of our nation’s budget being set by Europeans whom we cannot elect thus taking away the key power from our legislature and giving it to an executive and a foreign one at that. They are now openly calling for the end of democracy.

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    Voice of Reason says:

    Christmas stocking filler for Ed Miliband;

    The Hollies CD; He Ain’t Heavy, He’s my Brother.

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    Contradicting myself says:

    Perhaps peter Hain should define right wing. The left-right divide was all about gaining at the expense of another. That era surely is over now..or not?

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    jgm2 says:

    Yvette Cooper and David Miliband? Ahahahahaha. Toxic Ned’s missus and the Torturer’s apprentice?

    Okay, electorally it’s a marginally better proposition than Ned Miliband and Toxic Ned but still wide open to any amount of embarrassing reminders of their previous record in government. It sp*eaks volumes that many Labour commentators say that they elected the ‘wrong’ Miliband brother. I think they’re forgetting just how dire David Miliband is too. He might be ‘better’ than Ned Miliband – there are amoeba on Mars who are better than Ned Miliband – but he has the same nasal, head prefect, wet-behind-the-ears, boy-in-short-trousers demeanour as his likkle bruvver.

    It’s shaping up as just the perfect Christmas for Cameron.

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    Disliker of Bankers says:

    I had to laugh at Toenails on the 6.00 o clock news. Even he led with fab reposte from Call m Dave

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Anyway Guido anit you meant to be having a free piss up (christmas party) at the other place, Unless Neo Guido sent this from the cab?

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    Gold Mug says:

    Guido has just sold off his stock of gold bullion , for fucks sake !

    Gold 1,571.60 -91.50 -5.50%

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    hmmmm says:

    the words neutral and “Nick Robinson” hardly belong in the same sentence.

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    I’m holding gold for the long term.

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    Viz is more truthful than The Guardian says:

    it looks like lispy Ed Silliband got his arse handed to him

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    Ian says:

    With thick anti-white bigot Diane Abbott as deputy leader.

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    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    Peter Hain must be seeing red err I mean Orange !

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    Tom Baldwin's Liebour Ajax supplier says:

    Yvette Spacker the house flipper……how desperate!

    Like the Kinnock years but ten times worse!

    Hope Mrs T enjoyed today…..liebour being screwed as they should

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    Durr... says:

    Just a bit too much information?

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    jgm2 says:

    The bedwetters on CiF are fuming. Apparently Dave ‘doesn’t answer the question’. Ahahahaha. Suck it up you fuckers. We just sat through 13 years of ‘not answering the question’.

    He also ‘doesn’t have a grasp of detail’. I think the deluded fuckers really believed that the Maximum Imbeciles tractor stat non sequiturs demonstrated a ‘grasp of detail’. He might as well have been reciting PI to eight decimal places for all the relevance his ‘grasp of detail’ had to any of the questions asked.

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    Spartacus says:

    it woz the tory press!

    makes a change from
    ‘it woz fatchers falt’.

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    jgm2 says:

    With a bonus Bob Crow threat of strikes to galvanise the electorate.

    Thank you Chuck Norris.

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    Cressida's Dick says:

    You’ve got to feel a bit sorry for Milli minor. Not only is he one of the walking de*ad, struck down with Jonah curse, now he’s got Tangoman on his case as well.

    2012? If the thick socialists had any sense whatsoever he’d be gone by the end of 2011.

    But they haven’t, so he won’t be, much to the amusement of those of us who don’t inhabit the parallel universe they do.

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    Spartacus says:

    3.141592 ?

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    Mindserenade says:

    If Nick Robinson was neutral he have been consigned to the oblivion of the World Service years ago.

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    Spartacus says:

    Only six places – no attention to detail eh?

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    Tachybaptus says:

    In the long term we are all dead.

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    The Mad Monk says:

    The Balls family loved it…

    “Move over millipede, Us next””

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    Athanasius says:

    Government which has found itself somewhere it didn’t want to be in in Europe without knowing how, or how to get out, goes for Ed and Ed. Good knockabout fun, and big question ducked.

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    The Paragnostic says:

    Have you listened to the World Service lately? It might as well carry the Oxfam / Greenpeace logos for clarity.

    The BBC – still pumping Blair / Brown / Bono propaganda into the wider world.

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    Those cunts at The Telegraph are all Catholics, FFS says:

    What is that attracts Catholics to “journalism”, I wonder? Are they trying to unburden themselves by typing manically? Do they really think they can escape their guilt by saying lots of things? This gets funnier the more I think about it.

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    The Paragnostic says:

    Right wing for Hain = don’t like orange faced cunts who rob banks and dig up cricket pitches.

    Stupid fucker.

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    A. Knuckledragger says:

    Cameron has done the country a big favour by flushing out the traitors from their lairs.

    Those of us who took an interest always knew what the BBC/Labour/Lib Dems/Guardianistas were about, but now the general public can plainly see that these arseholes would sell us out to anyone without so much as a squeak.

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    GOD says:

    Catholic: A person that has mbeen denied the right to think for itself.

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    Ted Striker says:

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    Bawbag Survivor says:

    A Scots Labour MP asked a question…..I’m as rough as a badgers bum Glaswegian,and I couldn’t make out a word he said…

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    Barnehurst Bob says:

    Speccy asks ‘what would Yvette do about Ed Balls?’ Can you see him standing aside, going to the back benches and keeping a low profile for his wifes career? Maybe taking a seat in the Lords and keeping a low profile? No me niether. She’d have to have him in the cabinet and we all know he’d only settle for one job if he’s not leader.

    Dream ticket – for Cameron

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    The Paragnostic says:

    Unless you’re an abortionist, why should it matter what form of superstition journalists follow?

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    Tory Cat says:

    You don’t like women then.

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    MandyPickleSniffer says:

    I think they should bring back Michael Foot…

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    Some Geezer wot knows spin when he hears it says:

    The Leftie shills who defend Miliband sound like the fellow who, when recounting a drubbing he took from his wife, bragged that “…I managed to break the broomstick after she hit me with it several times– I broke it with my SKULL, but…”

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    Silly boy! Nice, but silly.

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    GOD says:

    When their feebleness of mind gets in the way of my comments, I have to question their mentality.

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    Tory Cat says:

    Very true B Bob. It’s going to go tits up for them. Guessing HOW it’s going to go tits up for them is the best bit.

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    jgm2 says:

    Ned Balls would be plotting and undermining his missus if she became Labour leader.

    Fucking hilarious.

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    political reasner says:

    Just a thought – thought I might share with you good readers of this site. I will probably be shouted down. But here goes. There is clearly a vindictive campaign on this website and elsewhere against Labour parliamentary researcher Charlotte Hale, who works for Emma Reynolds MP, Shadow Europe Minister.

    OK, Charlotte has clearly acted like a complete idiot. I din’t actually doubt that. But, as a student of wolverhampton university, and totally non political I might add at that, I would just like to say that charlotte is extremely popular in the university and even appeals to many totally non poltical people like my goodself. Charlotte is a wonderful, warm, friendly and funny human being who I should imagine has no thoughts towards the nazi party whatsoever. I know that for a an absolute certain fact.

    She works hard for emma reynolds who has visited our university several times and also I imagine is not a nazi, but just wants to expose the awful truth about the tory and liberal party government who is clearly recking labours really brilliant record legacy that labour left to the torys party!

    Thats all I wanted to say so leave charlotte hale and emma reynolds alone becos they haventnot done anything wrong ok! ?

    thanks you

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    Those cunts at The Telegraph are all Catholics, FFS says:

    Please read our adverts and say several Heil Mary’s.

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    Ex-Labour voter says:

    All of Labour are thick and anti-white.

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    I know you like gingers, Frankie, in fact possibly to the extent of instability, but Hain?????

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    Another Popish Plotter says:

    …or a Gunpowder dealer…

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    Tory Cat says:

    Yes but they’ll only do it while they think there’s something in it for them. They’re still c’unts though

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    Tory Cat says:

    Hit the nail on the head.

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    Filthy Rich Capitalist says:

    All asset classes are going to fall heavily. I recommend the Short 2 Times leveraged FTSE ETF – SUK2, but be quick, it will be like catching a falling knife next week. Gold has now broken through it’s long term trend line and the 200 day moving average, it has further to fall.

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    The Daily Telegraph IS populated by Catholic cunts says:

    I agree with you, Those Hunts at The Telegraph are all Catholics, FFS

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    Ex-Labour voter says:

    His corpse would do a whole lot better than Miliband, that’s for sure.

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    Tory Cat says:

    The best labour politicians are dead ones.

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    That will be the best part of you gone…

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    Baron Hogwash says:

    I think Ed Milliband is doing a great job and I truly hope when Labour get into power, they can sign up to anything that the Germans tell them to – that is if the euro is still in tact by then, if it is not … well maybe they could sign up to still … no questions asked.

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    Handycock (Teen Fondler) says:


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    Squeak says:

    +1 ?

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    chinky bear keeper says:

    pure deid magic n that pal no?

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    The Paragnostic says:

    Where’s Silent Bob when you need him?

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    The Mad Monk says:

    “Ive got heart a kidney problems…

    My heart not in it and I kidnae be bothered”

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    The Paragnostic says:


    (don’t mention Iran!)

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    sandywinder says:

    Which will last longer the Euro or Ed Minibandwagon?

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    Max Mosley says:

    So, is the threesome on or off?

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    Citi Boi! says:

    The next wheeze coming in the distance from the country that gave us Hitler is conning suckers around the world to buy Deutschmarks from them, after all they haven’t been printing them again just to gather dust.

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    Silent Bob says:
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    The Paragnostic says:

    Maybe she could form a double act – Hale and Harty. The schtick would be enjoying being slapped around by androgynous black lasses…

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    What a memory, Paragnostic!

    The world is everything that is the case

    Happy Christmas!

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    Ed Balls says:

    You well may think so. I couldn’t possibly comment.

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    Squeak says:

    Will the Lib/Con/Naughty/Dem/BNP/Holborn/Lab/UKIP/Green/Billy coalition be able to move for the stodge, though?

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    Sir Aston Martin says:

    Indeed, Bob, though I wouldn’t have put it quite so bluntly myself.

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    Jimmy says:

    “The more neutral observers such as former YC Chairman Nick Robinson”

    Fixed that for you.

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    Sir Aston Martin says:

    My big toe would make a better Labour leader. Not that I’d let it.

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    Sir Aston Martin says:

    >Yvette Spacker the house flipper……how desperate!

    Don’t forget the Home Information Pack, another superb policy initiative that helped Labour to romp home with a 439 majority at the last election.

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    nellnewman says:


    peterhain for the next labour leader and chrishuhne for the next leader of the libdems,


    Oh and an election next year 2012!

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    Bit skinny for you lad.

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    You can’t even get a HILP replacement nowadays.

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    nellnewman says:

    militwit’s pal bobcrow today launched a demand for triple pay on boxing day for his members plus a day in lieu.

    WOW. They earn £45k plus a year and they are still demanding more!!

    Hope they’re not looking for sympathy!!!!

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    Barnehurst Bob says:

    Cat, I thought you were alive and dead

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    Wish I could say, “There spеaks a wise man”, but he put it down in the road to make a snowball – apparently.

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    Filthy Rich Capitalist says:

    Leaving Iran aside, which would mean much bigger downside moves. My target for FTSE on this move is below 4800. If you aren’t a Trader in constant touch with the market, get out at this level.

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    The Paragnostic says:

    And a very merry Yuletide to you too, Cat.

    As a Wittgenstinian present, here’s Prokoviev’s Piano Concerto #4, written for Paul Wittgenstein who lost his right hand in WWI, but was still a hell of a pianist.

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    The Paragnostic says:

    And a very merry Yuletide to you too, Cat.

    As a Wittgenstinian present, here’s Prokoviev’s Piano Concerto #4, written for Paul Wittgenstein who lost his right hand in WWI, but was still a hell of a pianist.

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    The Paragnostic says:

    I was thinking more of the gold ;-)

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    Only if unobserved. I have eyes. People forget that.

    Besides the hydrocyanic acid is actually Bushmills (I swapped it whilst Erwin had his head turned.)

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    jgm2 says:

    They’re seeking parity with Greek train drivers.

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    jgm2 says:

    They’re seeking parity with Greek train dr*iv*ers.

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    Engineer says:

    Ed Miliband’s main problem is that he doesn’t have any policy framework. Until his party develops one, he’s just flailing about in the dark. Labour leaders in the 1980’s at least had ideology to fall back on – Mili doesn’t even seem to have that; at any rate, any ideology that has not been comprehensively demolished by the nation’s collective experience.

    It’s hard to see who could replace him and do much better. Maybe there are one or two who could perform a bit more convincingly in PMQs, perhaps even landing a few blows here and there. However, until Labour have a credible set of policies that have some resonance with a public that seem to leaning more rightwards, it doesn’t really matter who leads them – they are going to come off second best. Their best bet is to stick with Mili minor and just hang on in there for a couple of years.

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    Peter Hain says:

    No I bottle it and smear it over my face, helps keep my skin glowing

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    The Paragnostic says:

    What is it about the Labour mentality that compels them to see every problem in terms of more regulation? There isn’t an aspect of life that the socialist does not want to stick his podgy and unwashed finger into, and not a thought under the sun that does not have to be scrutinised and self-censored to fit in with their world view.

    If Labour were Apple, the slogan would surely be – “There’s an Act for that!”.

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    Uncle Monty says:

    Like Watching A Lion Rape A Sheep, But In A Bad Way

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    t says:

    BBC big on going advantage to Lab/Lib etc, no visable potential solutions.

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    Moses "Moe" Howard says:

    Just as with the Miliband brothers, my brother Jerome, better known as “Curly,” and I have had our share of ups and downs, too; I know what it’s like to have a daft brother people laugh at:

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    Ed Miliband says:

    I do fhave an sideology, its called smarxism. I gruw upth wivth it.

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    Infuriated of West Mids says:

    Don’t forget sprinkling broken glass on rugby pitches, arsehole that he is.

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    Some time since I read Ray Monk’s volume on Ludwig in which he mentions Paul. What a talented family. Their confiscated fortune got the little moustachiod man off to a racing start.

    I met Ray at conference once. Fascinating and highly intelligent man. We have a number of friends in common. If the one of these who knows my identity here is reading this: Happy Christmas to you and your rather better lady!

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    nellnewman says:

    they’ve already taken a 40% pay cut apparently – when’s bobcrow going to take his??!

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    Sоmе tіmе sіncе І rеаd Rаy Mоnk’s vоlυmе оn Lυdwіg іn whіch hе mеntіоns Pаυl. Whаt а tаlеntеd fаmіly. Thеіr cоnfіscаtеd fоrtυnе gоt thе lіttlе mоυstаchіоd mаn оff tо а rаcіng stаrt.

    І mеt Rаy аt cоnfеrеncе оncе. Fаscіnаtіng аnd hіghly іntеllіgеnt mаn. Wе hаvе а nυmbеr оf frіеnds іn cоmmоn. Іf thе оnе оf thеsе whо knоws my іdеntіty hеrе іs rеаdіng thіs: Hаppy Chrіstmаs tо yоυ аnd yоυr rаthеr bеttеr lаdy!

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    Blinky. says:

    My five point plan is all we need.

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    They're all the same says:

    Probably because none of them have served at the front line in the Stan.
    Or bothered to go through Lympstone and be awarded with a Green Beret.
    Failed to put all their own assets into running their own business,

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    Lifter O' Shirts. says:

    “Otherwise” ?

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    my last post ever says:

    To Dave. Or Nick. Who gives a fuck?

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    nellnewman says:

    labour’s biggest problem is their proven economic incompetence .

    How do you win back the favour of the electorate when you’ve sold all their gold off at brown bottom, taxed them to perfidy, conned them into unnecessary wars that cost them a fortune , lied to them about manmade global warming that taxed them again and then admitted that you left them in an economic blackhole by your gross overspending (baldemort – there’s no money left) ??!!

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    This is mad Britain says:

    Hope you are not taking an English exam any time soon – you will fail!

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    The Paragnostic says:

    Labour’s lack of a policy framework can be directly traced back to Blair and Hutton, and the days of the “third way”, which was as far from being a coherent political standpoint as it is possible to get. The essence of Blairism was to create a majority from disparate constituencies – any contradictions between the aims and values of such constituencies was to be smoothed over with warm words and a liberal application of spin, and the natural fault lines between such uncomfortable bedfellows as the indigenous British and the welfare-dependent unemployables who typify the second generation subcontinental immigrants would be held together with the sticking plaster of racial legislation.

    Rusty Dave understands this concept, and has come to terms with its implications – the bribes to foreign despots are thus continued under international aid, the pink vote is assiduously sought in daily statements of the sanctity of gay “marriage”, and the votes of middle England are bought cheaply with a bit of flouncing around in Europe. The opportunism of the man knows no bounds, and he knows that by keeping his policies just slightly to the right of Blair he can obtain enough votes to keep him in power.

    Special Ed has no such guile – he is hidebound by the marxism that he imbibed at his father’s tit, the class hatred (and thus self-hatred) on which he was weaned, and the knowledge that he owes all that he is to the favour of the trades unions. He cannot step outside this narrow corridor of thought, for fear that he will lose what little he has. His brother, being more intelligent, is far more dangerous, as he might have the gumption to jettison the lost causes espoused by Ed and try to rebuild the Blairite ‘concensus’ in a new form.

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    Lifter O' Shirts. says:

    He does sound like he’s at his wits end. Hope he doesn’t start crying on BBC radio 5.

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    The Paragnostic says:

    Oops – “consensus”. Need a proof reader.

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    Jasmin Alibi Cunt says:

    What could possibly have gone wrong with having a Union appointed, never had a real job, Marxist J’oo in charge?


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    Anonymous says:

    In modern times, the Labour Party has never replaced its leader until he has either lost a general election (Callaghan, Foot, Kinnock) or died (Gaitskell, Smith). Probably the latter solution is best, in the case of Ed Miliband.

    As for the question raised earlier, on why there are so many Catholics in journalism, the answer is that they are useless at doing proper jobs.

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    The Paragnostic says:

    Don’t most of the left *like* being buggered?

    Can’t see what he’s complaining about.

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    nellnewman says:

    ‘The left have to transform popular attitudes’

    What does that mean?

    Are you saying that the left have to try and con the electorate into believing that they were not criminally insane in their management of the economy over the last 13 years of their government ??

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    The Paragnostic says:

    Chill out – you must be in a bad place if you’re listening to the Carpenters, but every day you still wake up is a small victory, so smile!

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    I his late 30’s? We’re pretty unlikely to still have a Tory government in 30 years time.

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    nellnewman says:

    Your cynicism is painful sweetie!

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    Engineer says:

    “The left has to transform popular attitudes” = the public is wrong and we are correct.

    No wonder they’re not popular! Does it ever occur to ‘the left’ that government is there to serve the public, not the other way round?

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    nellnewman says:

    Not very bright this lad!! We don’t have a Tory government at the moment!

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    Fuck Off To North Korea says:

    Leave the country then you dick.

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    fudspotter says:

    Michael Moore attacks David Cameron over use of Euro veto

    Time for Cameron to sack this clown – watch the video link. Is he pissed drunk or just this moronic all the time?

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    Arthur Bent says:

    Maybe she should keep her twats off twitter then.

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    nellnewman says:

    I doubt very much that labour will get rid of militwit.

    They are by their history cowards. Look at how they carried on over brown when he had become the most monumental leadership failure of all time!!

    No. militwit is going to lead labour into the next election whenever that comes ( and I hope it’s before 2015)

    labour like the libdems are going to face a drubbing.

    Hopefully by then the euro will have collapsed and the political landscape will have begun to change!!

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    nellnewman says:

    He could always go to Gre ece couldn’t he?!

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    Tachybaptus says:

    Sо уоu аrе bоth drunk аnd sоbеr. Τhе аnсіеnt Реrsіаns knеw nоthіng оf quаntum unсеrtаіntу, but thеу fоund а wау, аs rероrtеd bу Hеrоdоtus (1.133.3-4):

    Mоrеоνеr, іt іs thеіr сustоm tо dеlіbеrаtе аbоut thе grаνеst mаttеrs whеn thеу аrе drunk; аnd whаt thеу аррrоνе іn thеіr dеlіbеrаtіоns іs рrороsеd tо thеm thе nеxt dау, whеn thеу аrе sоbеr, bу thе mаstеr оf thе hоusе whеrе thеу dеlіbеrаtе; аnd іf, bеіng sоbеr, thеу stіll аррrоνе іt, thеу асt оn іt, but іf nоt, thеу drор іt. Аnd іf thеу hаνе dеlіbеrаtеd аbоut а mаttеr whеn sоbеr, thеу dесіdе uроn іt whеn thеу аrе drunk.

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    The Paragnostic says:

    “I should imagine … I know that for an absolute fact.”

    One or the other statement is true. If you can indeed contain both thoughts at once and consider them to be true, then you can legitimately claim to be the Pope, or Ed Miliband, or whichever purveyor of contradictory nonsense you choose.

    I do hope that your degree is in a subject that does not require the use of either logic or the English language, because if it is, you’d be better off learning bricklaying or something.

    By the way, I agree that people should lay off Charlotte Hale, but only because she’s taken sufficient stick for her silly tweet already.

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    The Paragnostic says:

    Painful, but justified, alas!

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    The Paragnostic says:

    Wasn’t he the bloke that made “Bowling for Dunblane”?

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    Ivor Tapeworm says:

    The ‘record’ Labour legacy… you got that right. Are you as financially illiterate as you are with spelling?

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    albacore says:

    Well, if poor Ed just can’t keep up
    He must be one sick little pup
    Tories were like a men made of smoke
    Against that smarmy Blair bloke
    Same again when they faced daft Brown
    Reality brought Gordon down
    Are this crap lot the cream of the crop?
    It’s like government by Keystone Kop

  135. 135
    lower the tone, why don't I says:

    Shame Billy hasn’t lost his right hand.

  136. 136
    Anonymous says:

    The way Gudio is going after Ed make me think Ed is doing a good job.

  137. 137
    They're all the same says:

    Try going back to williams and jenkins…….look at the state of our current education policy; completely shafted and thank stuff we have a few good independent schools left.

  138. 138
    Jockland a Criminal's paradise. says:

    The Jockanese are a strange people.

    Not only do they free a man who was involved in blowing up a crowded plane that then destroyed one of their towns. They are now thinking about arresting the Big Man who threw a gob shite foul mouthed fare dodger off one of their trains.

  139. 139
    Emma West says:

    They are keeping me in jail for ranting whilst drunk muslims can kick the shit out of a white girl and be let off. The legacy of labour. fully supported by the BBC

  140. 140
    Joe ordinary says:

    Who’s Michael Moore?

  141. 141
  142. 142
    Cradley Heathen says:

    ‘Ommer Um Cradley!

  143. 143
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    Nobody is that desperate LOL

  144. 144
    Barlinnie says:

    Could well explain why pissed up piss stinking louse ridden scotch tramps think it is their right to demand money from fair English roses outside Euston station.

  145. 145
    The Paragnostic says:

    There wasn’t quite the same cynicism about Williams and Jenkins – I think they sincerely believed that they were doing the right thing, and weren’t busy trying to build an electorate in the way that Blair (and Salvador Mundi) did.

    With you all the way on the independent schools – I managed to get in on the last year of the assisted places scheme, before the stupid but well meaning Williams scrapped it. Was it not for that piece of luck, I’d probably be a very different person today.

  146. 146
    Madness says:

    Shut the door behind you student boy….

  147. 147
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    Ed balls has gone home tonight
    to rub cock’s with Yvette !

  148. 148
    Is that so? says:

    “Political Reasner” – sorry lad, but that’s the most lame and comical attempt I’ve read yet to try and defend Ms “Nazi” Charlotte Hale and her inept air-head bimbo champagne socialist boss Emma Reynolds that I’ve read yet! You are almost certainly either shagging them, related to them, or even both perhaps (I don’t pretend to know how socialists get their kicks)! As for “Labour’s brilliant record” – ahem, now I know you’re having a laugh. No, Labour boy, the public are waking up to you hypocritical and thick socialists and your moronic leaders (at least Blair knew what he was doing!). I personally look forward to the next election with some relish!

  149. 149
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    I’ll go fetch the saw , I have many !
    Any particular tooth setting ?
    Manual ,mechanical

  150. 150
    albacore says:

    Amazingly, Miss West was released on bail yesterday.
    Maybe they were unable to cope with the torrents of Christmas cards she was receiving.

  151. 151
    Anonymous says:

    Heard on R4 yesterday, programme about Wittgenstein:

    On hearing Heraclitus’ quote that one cannot step in the same stream twice, Wittgenstein replied “you can’t step in the same stream once”.

  152. 152
    simon r says:

    Re your first sentence – NO I DON’T !!

  153. 153

    That brings back memories. It must be two decades at least since I last read that. How sensible.

    I did not say I drunk the Bushmills though! I have a bottle in my cupboard downstairs which I was given in the 90s and have carted across Europe. I was given several over the Christmas periods by the Bank of Ireland. The last one is still intact though probably not for long. Then I will have to make a return to County Antrim to buy with my own cash…

  154. 154
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    It’s the only way the lazy twat can stay on benifits under the Tories

  155. 155
    Night Owl says:

    The BBC world TV news in the wee hours of the morning is appalling

  156. 156
    Thatcher-right says:

    Left or right?

  157. 157
    BBC News at Ten says:

    David Cameron has left the UK isolated, alone and adrift in the mid-Atlantic!
    Ed Miliband thrashed baby eater David Cameron in PMQs today and later we have a interview with comrade Ed Balls who explains how he can save the world all over again.
    But for now here’s the weather with Laura Tobin.

  158. 158
    Denial_a_river_in_Africa says:

    There’s a GOOD way????

  159. 159
    Thick Me says:

    I really must be thick. I just can not understand why anyone is against Europe as just a free trade zone of friendly countries. Why do they want it to be a Dictatorship?

  160. 160
    They're all the same says:

    Back then there wasnt the benefit of the internet but it was still social engineering. Current gov is on sticky ground for denying talanted kids the value of grammer schools. Oh yes i forgot Lib Dems!

  161. 161

    Cor! Wondered where you had got to mate! If Hain lived near your area, it would have to be slightly renamed to PrickSure!!

    Happy Christmas to you and yours!

  162. 162
    W.W. says:

    Let us not forget these are the geniuses (geniuie?) who thought Jonah Brown was the best thing since sliced bread.


  163. 163
    sheepshaggar says:

    Just heard that Guardian turd, Zoe somebody, doing the paper review on Sky.
    What a biased pinko clown. Sky beware. You’re in danger of following the BBC as a left wing propoganda blog. Don’t be silly.

  164. 164
    Lower Tone six feet into the ground, why don't we? says:

    Let’s not wait until he’s deceased…

  165. 165
    Eddie Skiver MuffDiver says:

    Paxo on top form tonight with that mad dome headed Hunt from Grauniad

  166. 166
    Aeferid says:

    It isn’t where you think it doesn’t want to be.

  167. 167
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    Happy Christmas to you and yours also !

    You are right i would like to fuck him !
    With a gallon of unleaded and a box of matches !

  168. 168
    Ex-Labour voter says:

    Well, you’re in a minority of one there.

  169. 169
    The BBC says:

    PS: Multiculturalism is great. White people and English history are shit. Benefit-claimants are heroes.

    Vote Labour.

  170. 170
    The Conservative Party says:

    Our opinion is that he is doing a smashing job – vote for Ed!

  171. 171
    Votes for Women says:

    My money is on the Mrs and Ms Jack Dromey sisters to take over. Not sure who’ll be on top though.

  172. 172
    The Lib-Dems says:

    He even manages to make us look good.

    Vote for Ed!

  173. 173
    Anon says:

    That’s what I thought. The thick American communist bloke who (excuse me while I piss myself laughing) thinks the NHS is something other than complete shit.

  174. 174
    Sea Shell Seller says:

    Probably the most over-rated comedians of the last century

  175. 175
    Infuriated of West Mids says:

    I’d like to lay on Charlotte Hale, but that’s another story…

  176. 176
    Eddie Skiver MuffDiver says:

    Had a look on mumsnet forums today (Liebour) have always regarded it as a barometer to gauge opinions from the intelligent left leaning and I was heartened to read that most backed big Dave’s 2 fingered salute to Euro twats. They also (shock horror) noted how biased the British Broadcasting Bollox has been in reporting the whole affair. I desperately wanted to join in the happy thread but have been banned twice for upsetting the ladies on the Feminist Forum. The only people speaking up for the EU were those employed in Brussels and a few Lib Dem Wonks masquerading as “yummie mummies”…

  177. 177


    Who cares about the environment in such circumstances?

    The greater good would be served and net pollution reduced substantially.

  178. 178
    Gordon Brown says:

    Sorry about that. I didn’t have anything important to do in London, and I just wanted the train fare home.

    Biggoted bitch wouldn’t give me it, though.

  179. 179
    jgm2 says:

    Marxist J’oo in charge?

    Of course I’m sure the T*ry party won’t be subtly slipping that little tit-bit out to the Labour postal-voting jihad come 2015.

  180. 180
  181. 181
    Great British Public says:

    No-one gives a shit, love.

  182. 182
    Some Geezer wot knows a million corny jokes says:

    All right, this one’s a little morbid:

    How History Might Have Changed, part 645:

    Cass Elliott: “Say, Karen, would you like a sandwich?”

  183. 183
    some ol' poet or other says:

    “Yvette Cooper / David Miliband dream ticket”

    How do I despise thee? Let me count the ways …

  184. 184
    ACodgerWrites says:

    It used to be good, but its very PC nowadays.

  185. 185
    po' ol' whitey says:

    Most of England is thick and anti-white, even including some of the whites.

    Perhaps someone ought to ‘phone the anti-racism commission or whatever they are called. I am sure that nice man Trevor Phillips would be appalled.

  186. 186
    RED ED - SON OF BROWN says:

    Another PMQ where I played a blunder blinder.

    Harriet clearly believes that I’ll soon be prime minister: I overheard her saying that I won’t be doing this job much longer.

  187. 187

    Bad news Gordon. Your new plan to leave a great legacy has hit a snag.

    It seems in 1867, Sir Funkle Hairpie-Nibblebins went 7 years without attending Parliament.

    Still nearly 5½ years to go before you can beat his record.

  188. 188
    I Think says:

    A thick fat American millionaire movie maker.

  189. 189
    Sally-- She's a Berk, AND a Cow! says:

    Oh, please… Is the Virgin Mary replaced by Elphaba, the Wise Men replaced by the Straw Man, Tin Man and Cowardly Lion, and the shepherds by Munchkins?

  190. 190
    Buy and sit it out says:

    Fall, rise, it’s just a question of time scale.

  191. 191
    wally says:

    “Which of the seven dwarfs does Sarkozy
    Most remind me of ?- Could it be Dozy?
    -Or perhaps he is more of a Grumpy,”
    Thought Herman Van Rompuy.

  192. 192
    Red Ed's non-predator union bosses says:

    We want our (members’) money back.

  193. 193
    The Paragnostic says:

    I have to admit to finding Cass Elliott quite fanciable. She was a hell of a good singer, too.

  194. 194
    The Paragnostic says:

    Did he do that all in 1867, or was there a preamble?

    If all in one year, I bet his expenses were good.

  195. 195
    The Paragnostic says:

    Thought it’d be Hanuka cards from the Squeaker – silly me.

  196. 196
    The Paragnostic says:

    Wasn’t the money from the UMF?

  197. 197
    NeverRed says:

    I totally agree with you. I love Ed’s dulcet tones and the way he gurns, everyone I speak to says without doubt he is the favorite to be the next PM, with his great pal the economic genious Ed Balls alongside him.

    The dream ticket.

  198. 198
    We're scared of the Eds says:

    Dear Labour, we are terrified of Ed Miliband. Please replace him as leader so we have a chance of beating Labour. We just can’t bear to be destroyed by an Ed Miliband-led Labour. If you feel you must replace, whatever you do don’t elect Ed Balls. He’s even more dangerous an opponent and would absolutely destroy us. In fact, Ed Balls is a potential landslide winner. Do not elect him as leader.

  199. 199
    Norris Stampton says:

    If Yvette Cooper and David Milliband are the ‘Dream ticket’ I want to know what the raffle was for in the first place, ‘scabbiest threesome’ perhaps, with Ed Balls as invigilator and Gordon watching from behind through smoked glass?

    Yvette and Ed are the new Krankies and I’m somewhat reminded of a reader’s wives version of jimmy Clitheroe and his bully brother Alfie.

    Enduring image. ‘New Labour, my ass’

  200. 200
    Tandoori Pete says:

    Just watched Milimong getting a pasting from Brave Dave. Milimong is having difficulties grasping that Clegg is a Pro European Lib dumb. Clegg is going to support his own party’s policies from time to time over above the Coalithon. How dumb is Milimong? Dave rightly pointed out, they are not brothers. Nice one!

  201. 201
    Norris Stampton says:

    Incidentally, that scrotum that is Peter Haine was in favour of hack-sawing through the hydraulic brake lines of lorry drivers in the mid-seventies strikes.
    Heaven help us if someone splits out the nipples on his brakes pipes when forgetting to declare his leadership campaign expenses.
    These people are ball sacks of the lowest order.

  202. 202
    rocknrolla says:

    Sadly within 30 years there will be so many non-English people in England that a Tory government will be highly unlikely.

  203. 203
    Norris Stampton says:

    I’m being moderated on my knowledge of the strikes in the 1970’s.
    Rightly so, but there are yet suits still in the Labour party that would hard-wire you into the National Grid to get their own way…

  204. 204
    Norris Stampton says:

    If we’re so scared of mymprevious comment and can’t recall Haine’s rise to prominence via strikes and the media in the seventies, then please delete it.
    Truly, I’m not at all about it…
    Labour will run about with loose shoe laces and they will fall flat on the other side of their faces..
    Good oh…

  205. 205
    Michael Moore, Either One, They BOTH Rot says:

    But could you slip a cigarette paper between filmmaker Moore and MP Moore, that’s the point, isn’t it?
    Here’s Mr Moore the filmmaker’s humble abode, where he resides and whinges and moans about being one of the “Oppressed” 99%:

  206. 206
    The Labour Party's Press Relations Staff says:

    No. We were.

  207. 207
    Get Smart says:

    Re-branding soon from Brown Broadcasting Company to Brussels Broadcasting company.

  208. 208
    John Bellingham says:

    The conservatives must be happy that Millitwat is the labour leader. He must be the biggest buffoon ever to hold the position. Far more stupid than the Moscow-tuned Foot, less capable of forming a sentence than windy Kinnock and an intellectual pygmy compared to the mentally disabled Smith. However, who could replace him?
    I cannot think of a more inferior bunch of J. Arthur’s that have ever disgraced the oppositon benches in fifty years. The Tories/Lib-Dems are a pretty sorry bunch, but are stratospheric compared to to the crowd of public toilet attendents, failed wheel-clampers and child-molesters/perverts/council workers in the Labor Party.
    Who on the Labour front bench could seriously be considerd as a Prime Minister?
    Balls? Mrs Balls? The lesbian twins? Mouthy Rachel? The Scottish tosser?
    There is not even a youngster in the background who may elbow his way to the front in ten years or so. Yes, there are some pushy prats like Tristan Hunt and his muslim boyfriend and Spear-Chucker Umoney, but these guys are pretentious dickheads with no bottom and certainy no appeal to the broad population.
    Shame, I would love to be a socialist, but the company is a discrace.

  209. 209
    London pride says:

    I’ve just watched it Boris Backer, and it sums Livingscum up to perfection. Boris to win!! Good luck.

  210. 210
    London pride says:

    Sorry Political. Charlotte is a silly little sod, who believes she has a right to say anything she wants, but doesn’t like it when people excercise their right of reply, and obviously not thinking before she puts her brain in gear.
    She should make a perfect Labour candidate as she throws shite around but cries when it comes back to hit her in the face. I have no sympathy for her whatsoever.

  211. 211
    Good Boy says:

    So he’s just another successful capitalist selling dreams to Americans.

  212. 212
    Labouring with mediocrity says:

    As a Tory Supporter I would like the duo of Ed Miliband and Ed Balls to remain in situ they are an absolute gift for Cameron ….

    However if I’m being totally dis-passionate it’s obvious that Labour should never have allowed themselves to be turned over by the unions(particularly UNITE)and allowed Ed Miliband anywher near the leadership and the same goes for Balls.These two are the ones tainted even more than other ex-Labour Ministers of the Brown era with the architects of the present financial mess and as to Ed Miliband he comes over as primarily “odd”is viewed as an opportunist and what is even worse for Labour he is totally ineffective against Cameron. If a person aspires to be Prime Minister they need to have that “something”….Thatcher had it;Major didn’t;Blair had it;Brown didn’t;Cameron has it but I’m afraid neither of the two “Ed'” has.

    Labour will never gain traction until they grasp the unpalatable fact that they elected a “duffer” to the leadership much like the Tories did with IDS.Both men are probably competent Ministerial material(mm not so sure with Ed though)but definitely NOT Prime Ministerial quality.Neither of the two “Eds” connect with that section of the electorate they need to gain power.

    So bloody as it may be with the unions Labour need to get rid of Miliband and Balls from the top and they could do no worse surely…David Miliband could give Cameron a run for his money and Cooper has improved immeasurably since the Brown government and is very good in her brief as Shadow Home Secretary and would perhaps be better to replace her husband as Shadow Chancellor.

    Of course Labour will do nothing.They can’t as they’re in thrall to the unions.They will probably have to wait until they lose the 2015 election which with the two Eds in charge is a probable certainty and for Tories and their supporters that can only be very good news …..

  213. 213
    I Remember You Hoo says:

    The “third way” adopted by Bliar and latterly Cameron, is thinly veiled fascism.
    In the 30’s there was standardisation today, in the EU, we have harmonisation.
    The ideas surrounding private, public partnerships were also born out of fascism.
    As were the principles of bail outs for the rich corporate entities, using the fascist philosophy of private profit, public debt, where the public securitised debt or corporate failures via extra taxation.
    The world has been where we are before, it failed then and will fail now. Socialism, in all it’s destructive forms, always fails and always leaves poverty in the wake of it’s retarded “progressive” agenda.

  214. 214
    pale, stale and male says:

    OK now I am concerned. The country needs the two Eds at the head of the Labour Party in 2015.

    Any endorsement from Permatan Pete puts this in serious jeopardy.

  215. 215
    Spartacus says:

    Laura Tobin states ‘isobars are the product of middle class white people’

  216. 216
    Hale to the Third Way! says:

    Well, Neil Kinnock is certainly getting his wish. At Red Ed’s union-fixed election victory party in September 2010, Mr Kinnock excitedly said to any media that would listen “I now have my party back!”. Yes Neil, so you do mate. A party that lost 4 elections to Tories in a row-2 of which were under your leadership! Yep, that’ll do me. More please!

  217. 217
    bent as a nine bob says:

    For Wolverhampton “University” that’s actually very good.

  218. 218
    JH says:

    *cough* subscription model *cough*

    Let them see how popular their north-London-dinner-party opinions and prejudices really are. Rub their noses in it.

  219. 219
    JH says:

    Anyway, is Charlotte ‘popular’ on campus if you get my drift?

    I think the lord has rewarded her with a nice little body as compensation for that schnek, and frankly looks like complete filth to this gambling man. Get some fizz down her and watch her go.

    Please tell.

  220. 220
    Scipio Despondens says:

    AND how many of the (alleged) private sector “New-Jobs” have been taken up by Immigrants ???

  221. 221
    G Eagle Esq says:

    Yes …err… ummm

    Thanks for this

  222. 222
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Peter Hain’s face is a facade of orange. A facade sums up labour.

  223. 223
    Ingrish Mishtresh says:

    So he’s not a Happy chappie?

  224. 224
    Ingrish Mishtresh says:


  225. 225
    Ingrish Mishtresh says:

    A probable certainty? Surely a certain probability?

  226. 226
    Labour is right wing says:

    If you’d love to be a socialist, why would you support the City-supporting, CBI arse-licking, corporate stooge TUC trade union-funded ‘Labour’ Party?

  227. 227
    Alan Freeman says:

    King Midas in Reverse would be apt.

  228. 228
    Really? says:

    We’ll be lucky still to have anything meaningfully called a ‘government’ by then.

  229. 229
    joescotus says:

    spear chucker!is that racist?

  230. 230
    aleksandr says:

    put yer money in peer to peer. make 8% guaranteed for 3 years

  231. 231
    Ha ha says:

    Very Indian…

  232. 232
    aleksandr says:

    laura tobin….

    fap fap fap

  233. 233
    Mrs Peter Hain says:

    Can somebody please remove Peter Hain from Wales. Any way will do, but preferably in a box. His planet-sized ego knows no limits. Recently he used the death of four miners in an accident to grandstand alongside the rescue workers. Pretty tasteless, but what do you expect from someone with the skin colour of an orang-utang.

  234. 234
    Sir Barrington Minge says:

    Just remember who will be pulling Yvette’s strings…that’s right, the former economic advisor to the failed Chancellor and Prime minister, to whit one Ed Balls.

    Vote Yvette, get Balls (twice over)

  235. 235
    Sir Barrington Minge says:

    Oh right…Point one, SPEND, two er, SPEND, three, ummm SPEND, four, Grrr SPEND and finally yahooo!!! SPEND

    Well that’s totally fucked the economy, now lets sell out to Europe…

  236. 236
    Sir Barrington Minge says:

    God god, Boyonce is about as sexy as a dose of clap…

  237. 237
    Sir Barrington Minge says:

    Hopefully he will soon disappear up his own arse in a flurry of shit and feathers

  238. 238
    john in cheshire says:

    Why is the alien Hain even allowed to be in our country?

  239. 239
    Jim says:

    560,000 minus 336,000 plus 40,000 or thereabouts.

  240. 240
    Jim says:

    I think this is a set up that relies on peoples persception of the current educational standard obtained by students.
    If I am wrong then the UK is in deep, deep, trouble.

  241. 241
    Aldo says:

    Because cooperation and mutual benefit were never the driving forced behind the EU. It has always been about Franco-German domination. They’ve fucked themselves though – France is going down the plughole and Germany will join them pretty soon after they desperately try to bail everyone out. Guess who’s then in the driving seat? Britain :0)

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