November 26th, 2011

We’re Off, But Before We Go

Guido is, Aer Lingus allowing, off to the home country this weekend and Neo-Guido is off to Russia, so there is not likely to be anything posted this weekend. Nevertheless Guido is sure co-conspirators will enjoy passing the time reading Toby Young’s patient and fair-minded shredding of Mehdi Hasan’s Debt Delusion, available for £1.79 from Amazon. It is worth enriching Mehdi in a small way to enjoy how his forcefully made assertions have unravelled as the Eurozone debt crisis has worsened. Mehdi’s central claims have been shown by the worsening debt crisis to be false within months of being made.

In the piece Toby notably draws attention to argumentative Mehdi’s often used trick of appealing to the authority of others to back up his opinions, committing the classic fallacy of argumentum ad verecundiam. Guido suspects that is because Mehdi is not confident that his argument stands alone on its own shaky foundations. Toby doesn’t mention thin-skinned Mehdi’s other trait, which reflects badly on him, of just dismissing an argument because someone he finds disagreeable makes it. He will describe the opponent’s argument as “hysterical” or “desperate” when in reality it is just contrary to his own. Mehdi does the converse of argumentum ad verecundiam when he seeks confirmation by disapprobation, dismissing an opposing argument because the proponent is someone he holds in disdain. Mehdi should resist his tendency to do this and take on Toby’s critique head-on.


307 Comments

  1. 1
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Have a great time Guido and wish Neo all the best in Russia :-)

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  2. 2
    nell says:

    Russia in November? Brrr Chilly?

    As for this mehdihasan he sounds an ideal character to be chief spokesman for bullyballs and militwit.

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    • 5
      Alan Rentnob says:

      Is TB going with Handycock – guess he’s a bit too old though

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    • 24
      Mehdi Hatstand says:

      Hassan is no person to be throwing the word “hysterical” around. Have you seen him on Question Time? A complete shouty wanker.

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    • 39
      Handycock (Teen Fondler) says:

      I hope he isn’t following me. I now have a crowd following me, wherever I go in Moscow. Jahbulon.

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    • 43
      And Elsewhere in Chutney News: George Michael's Bottom Falls Off says:

      And here is the weather outlook for Moscow this weekend – – It will be fucking cold

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    • 136
      Fish says:

      Their chief spokesman is, ”Is your phone off?’ Chucky’. The self-important, smarmy, slimey, patronising idiot who speaks at length about Labournomics and says fuck all.

      Tempted to say that never in the field of British politics did anyone spout so much, and say so little to so few.

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  3. 4
    Agent Orange says:

    I wish India’s dowghty athletes success in the London Olympics.

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  4. 6
    Anonymous says:

    “Neo Guido Off To Russia”

    Mike Handycock should be afraid.. VERY AFRAID !!

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  5. 7
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Guess Neo wont need one of those bear skin hats with his hair ;-)

    Was this the same medhi that was sticking up for Iran other day?

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    • 11
      Justine Milipenis says:

      Why do you incessantly post here when you’re obviously thick as fuck with no genuine interest in politics and just bring the place down with your puerile drivel? It’s pathetic and you lower the fucking tone – knob. Fuck off and wank over Westlife.

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    • 54
      nell says:

      Russia’s a good place to buy some decent fur clothing – the real thing not that faux stuff that political correctness forces on us.

      And since the met office has now said that we are going to have a warm dry winter I think we can probably expect snow and ice, and lots of it, by January. So young neo should be stocking up on cheap warm clothes from Russia accordingly.

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      • 84
        Mischief maker says:

        Plenty of Borsch. (Don’t leave out the ‘s’ or it means something completely different)

        Maybe a naughty Russian girl or two. (In which case, put the ‘s’ back in.)

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        • 118
          Our Denry says:

          No, he is going for the true Vodka and if he comes back through Poland, Polish Spirit almost impossible to get in UK, good idea not to drink it neat though.

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          • The Paragnostic says:

            If you think it’s impossible to get in the UK, then try Aldershot’s fine collection of ethnic shopping, which includes a very good Polish delicatessen. Even the Asian shops sell Polish spirit round here, and most have several varieties of Polish beer as well.

            The last time I drank the stuff, it took the skin off my lips. Never again…

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          • Owlett says:

            Zubrowka – with the Bison grass in the bottle. A pure drop that.

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  6. 8
    Socialism is a mental illness says:

    The ebook looks like a load of crap, even for £1.79. The one and only review (giving it 5 stars, so I presume it was written by Hasan himself) asks, “Was the deficit caused by Labour’s overspending?”

    Well, what else would have fucking caused it.

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  7. 9
    Hang The Bastards says:

    Why am I going to give that useless TREACHEROUS IMMIGRANT £1.79 of my money.

    He can fuck off the deluded bastard.

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    • 20
      R Sunwelles says:

      Bloody expensive fire-lighter.

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    • 303
      John Bellingham says:

      What a co-incidence. I had never heard of this tosser until I saw him on Breakast TV to day claiming that he could never be a Tory or have a relationship with anyone who was a Tory.
      Sociopath, then?

      (Is Sociopath and Socialist the same thing?)

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  8. 13
    Ewanme says:

    WOW !!

    U guys must be LOADED !!! Have a nice time an make sure u drink plenty x .

    On a practical note : maybe Billy Botty could knock one out for our amusement ??

    Laters E x .

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    • 36
      Dynaplod (up for promotion) says:

      I’m off to Saffron Walden to see this bungalow. I think they might accept an offer.

      I want the best for Nurse Botha and our family.

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      • 85
        Ewanme says:

        LOL !!

        Has u an Auntie Helen-Joy got somethin goin then , Dynaplod ???

        Cooool !! She deserves a nice guy , honey x .

        Be a bit scared when she snaps on the Marigolds , tho .

        E x .

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  9. 15
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    Come on, Toby wrote this piece himself, didn’t he?

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  10. 16
    Observer says:

    The ignorant “Mahdi” can’t tell debt from deficit – a bit like all bloody socialists hanging on to the Keynes linus blanket without understanding his underlying thesis.

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    • 31
      Shelley Wordsworth says:

      It’s great to be a leftie, now that winter’s here
      With lots of lovely benefits to pay for festive cheer
      And public sector workers shout “Shit upon your neighbour –
      Follow Mark Serwotka, lemmings, keep on voting Labour!”

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    • 66
      AC1 says:

      Keynes underlying thesis was a load of donkey cobblers too.

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  11. 18
    Tom Baldwin's Liebour Ajax supplier says:

    Best of all Guido….Medhi…..Quoted………HARI

    £1.79 for a free pamphlet sponsored by lying ku nt Johann…amazon getting ripped off!

    Says is all really abour poor Medhi..economics, like the Boom & bust merchants, not his strong point

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  12. 22
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

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  13. 25
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    one for the flight Guido, to remind you of home ;-)

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  14. 27
    charisma-free moniker says:

    Neither of them are thinking of flying back on Wednesday are they?

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    • 32
      Anonymous says:

      Hopefully!

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    • 42

      I think its a disgrace that the government is trying to cobble together a group of untrained, inexperienced, passport control workers to man the booths on Wednesday.

      A fully trained, approved, licenced, uniformed, CRB checked, and appropriately remunerated, rewarded, pensioned and tick boxed member of the service needs to be on hand to wave immigrants through border control without checks.

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      • 50
        Dick the Prick says:

        When I got back from a stag do in Munich a couple of years back I said to the last passport dude, ‘do you wanna keep this, it’s been out of date for a few months?’ and, to be fair to the lad, he did seem a bit concerned.

        Is it too much for officers to profile people based on the fact they look like they’ve swallowed a jonny full of coke?

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        • 52
          Dynaplod (up for promotion) says:

          That was brave of you, son.

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          • Dick the Prick says:

            I was with a bunch of half German inbreeds, half pissed, Panama hat that went straight in the bin when out of the terminal and put on my best Yorkshire accent; I think the lad thought about the paperwork and thought fuck it! But yeah, on reflection, could have been irritating.

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          • Really? says:

            The last time that I went through customs, the Officer in charge was of the French nationality. He was disrespectful, as if he was still on his home turf, and his grasp of English was tenuous. I cannot imagine that the French would allow his English equivalent to serve as their gatekeeper.

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      • 59
        Billy Bowden @ Securiknob says:

        I do like my booth well manned.

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      • 153
        Somalian in Calais says:

        We all got ferry tickets for Wednesday man, headin’ for de promised land!

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    • 46
      Passports please, oh! مستنقع قبالة says:

      Don’t be daft, they won’t get back in, the queues will be at least 20 miles long at that will just be at Dover, you will be able to walk from France to England without getting your feet wet and that’s just across the water .

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  15. 29
    anon. says:

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  16. 33
    UK Fred says:

    Mehdi ought to read this

    http://tolovehonorandvacuum.com/2011/11/thanksgiving-looking-forward/

    And this link is Canadian.

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  17. 34
    Anonymous says:

    Let’s hope there are no tragic accidents in the skies.

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  18. 37
    What a plonker. says:

    What the prat Hassan knows about economics you could write
    on the back of a postage stamp ,When you read the crap that he
    writes in the Guardian and spouts on the TV ,you have to wonder
    what planet he comes from.

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  19. 38

    Hattie says she agrees with strikes.{or sympathy with, which is something}
    Good for her, the old harpy.

    Even she, the dimmest of labour’s very dim lights, knows that the party needs to support its hardcore voters. Ed Moribund must find a position. At the moment he’s about as credible on strikes and pensions as Ed Balls is on debt.

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    • 41
      And Elsewhere in Chutney News: George Michael's Bottom Falls Off says:

      … must find a position.

      Reverse cowboy?

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      • 44
        E N Dale says:

        Come, come chaps.

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      • 51
        Pedant#1 says:

        George has a prolapsed arsehole?

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        • 56
          Pedant ∞ says:

          George is a prolapsed arsehole

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          • Really? says:

            It’s very tempting to make serious points about the difficult mental health problems which he faces, but I’m not Ruby Wax.

            Face it, he’s knocked out a lot of very popular tunes and stands alongside Ivor Novello, Noel Coward and Elton John as creator of a good number of popular tunes (which suffer in critical acceptance for that very popularity).

            In a very deliberate pun: he has added immensely to the gaiety of the nation.

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    • 60
      Jacqui Spliff says:

      Hardcore voters? Tee hee hee

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    • 74
      99% are against these strikes I suspect says:

      I guess that on Wednesday Ed will steer well clear of raising the strikes at PMQs as he knows how vulnerable he is on the question of unions with 86% of labour Party funding coming from that source…and how unpopular this action is with the vast majority of the British public outside the state funded media and Labour Party circles

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  20. 40
    The Stilton Eater says:

    He’s been proved utterly wrong, a comprehensive intellectual humiliation.

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  21. 47
    Tango Tango says:

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    • 63
      nell says:

      +Yawn+ peterhains memoirs.

      Who the devil would want to buy that?

      The only ‘interesting’ thing in it will be what faux tanning cream he uses to maintain his rather odd orange colour,

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    • 86
      What a plonker. says:

      What a boring tosser Peter Hain is .

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    • 92
      Hain is A TRAITOR never forget that fact says:

      Yes. DO not forget that Hain wanted to give Gibraltar to Spain.

      The Gibraltarians did not agree with Hain and voted to remain British. As a result Hain dare not set foot in Gibraltar for fear of being strung up.

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      • 141
        Fish says:

        Extract from Peter Hain’s diaries;

        November 27th 2009. Lousy day. Economy going down the pan. Dark and miserable – decide to go down to the tanning salon

        November 28th 2009. It’s cold today. Need to warm up – take a trip to the tanning salon.

        November 30th 2009. Nice day today – fell really chipper. I treat myself to a day in the tanning salon

        1st December. Kop’d one of Gordon’s Nokias. It was heading for Alistair but the bastard ducked. I’ve got a nasty bruise but go to the tanning salon. After 3 hours on regulo 7, no one will notice.

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    • 159
      CYNICAL OLD MAN says:

      Jesus, Hain’s memoirs will be a good antidote for insomnia if nothing else. Mogadon man or what? I bet he doesn’t mention robbing banks in the early seventies. Of course, South Africa’s secret police, BOSS, created a clone of Hain or something, who then sent it off to rob banks in London so Hain would get the blame. Anyway, that’s the excuse he came out with -that BOSS sent a double of Hain to rob banks in this country. He said he was such an important anti-apartheid activist that they had to shut him down. In reality he was a troublemaking little shit who dug up cricket grounds and placed broken glass under the pitches. That’s VERY important is that.

      Sorry for the stream-of-consciousness meanderings. My blood pressure rises, my eyes cross and I shout uncontrollably when ever I hear mention of that corrupt orange git.

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  22. 48
    Labour=Dishonesty says:

    The gaping hole in the Mehdi/Balls/Socialist argument is that they are passing this off as a way to fix the status quo, when they know – all of them know – that a status quo of independent, rational, dispassionate financial markets is not going to accept the Socialists’ set of arrangements. These arrangements can only survive if independent markets are removed. The Socialists know this, but when have you heard any of them explaining to us the full consequences of carrying out their recommendations? Never, I would suggest.

    Why are there so few non-Socialists who see the need to challenge this strategy so obviously designed to bring about Socialism through the back door, unannounced?

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  23. 62
    anon. says:

    “Correspondent of the week” ;-)

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    • 220
      joescotus says:

      3.15 in you can palpably sense the beturbaned bint groaning “where did we dig up this boring one note fucker ?”

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  24. 69
    TOO FAR says:

    Have a look at this…. even the Germans are pissed off with the greedy troughers in the EUSSR!!!

    http://dotsub.com/view/01ad2718-073c-474a-ac40-c7a72e199d55

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    • 90
      nell says:

      I read somewhere that a german poll showed 59% of them wanted their deutchmark back.

      There’s not much support for the eu or the euro amongst the real peoples of europe. Its only the troughing kinnochio types who are desperately trying to keep their personal gravy train going.

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    • 297
      Really? says:

      This cannot honestly be presented as evidence of the sudden upswelling of anti-EU sentiment in Germany; it was filmed years ago (maybe even a decade). Using this clip, regrettably, undermines the point which you are trying to make.

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  25. 87
    albacore says:

    It’s being touted that UK women are the fattest in Europe; and UK men the second fattest men.
    When it comes to knowing who the Gordon Bennett this Hasan guy is, where would you reckon that UK folk figure in that league table?
    With Europe falling apart, lean times ahead and the Lib/Lab/Cons maintaining the three wise monkeys position, does anybody still accord any one of the whole lot of them any credibility at all?
    The vacation from reality’s over.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-15901351

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  26. 95
    Boyo says:

    Wales has a long traditon of socialist upstarts.

    Neil Kinnock
    Hain
    Serwotka
    Julia Gillard

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    • 101
      nell says:

      phil | November 26, 2011 at 1:49 am | Reply
      Email 4092.txt from 1998 shows that University of East Anglia has a ”strategic alliance” with Goldman-Sachs. This is proof of UEA scientists’ conflict of interest and a fixed agenda to drive the AGW narrative to enable carbon trading and renewable energy markets. Science is about being impartial and investigating the facts, not green activism to push a narrative that bankers want.

      That little email says it all!!

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  28. 100
    Anonymous says:

    You really now have to ask,

    Did the second world war ever end even though no shots are fired now?

    The force comes from economic strength. From the Germans again, but this time supported by British Governments.

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    • 103
      G Mainwaring, Cptn (ret'd) says:

      Apparently not – only the ‘rules’ of engagement were changed.

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    • 129
      A lesson of time says:

      In fact it could be said that the Second World War was merely a continuation of the Franco-Prussian War of 1870 ‘s followed by the First World War and the intervening periods merely a breathing space between the continuing conflict between France(and to a lesser extent Britain) and Germany for domination of the continent…..after 140 years since the conflict first began it looks like the answer is…Germany

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    • 180
      AC1 says:

      Germany’s fucked. The people they lent money to in order to buy their goods aren’t going to pay it back.

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      • 199
        Dick the Prick says:

        And Barosso wants them to underwrite bonds making it cheaper for the workshy gimps to rack up even more debt that they’ll never pay back! Now that is some genius mentalism.

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  29. 102
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    I wuv u

    x ;) x

    xXxXx

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    • 112
      Dynaplod (up for promotion) says:

      I’m watching you, sonny!!

      Don’t think you can get away with anything you like. We can still go back to the beak and show him how mistaken he was to let you off so lightly.

      And by the way, what did you do with my handcuffs?

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      • 138
        Dynaplod (up for promotion) says:

        I see it plays Urethra Franklin’s Something He Can Feel, sir. Ah! reminds me of old times but must stop Day Dreaming.

        Just keep it turned down, show some Respect and Get It Right. Jump To It.

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  30. 104
    Anonymous says:

    If the EUSSR is really so powerful and hates democracy so, how come they have not been able to bully their market friends to help them?

    Why are the markets being allowed to demolish the EU when governments are bullied off?

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  31. 105
    Mann the Pumps says:

    The shocking thing is that no one seems to be shocked by climategate 2

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    • 108
      Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

      Because it was like the Iraq dossier, we all knew it was bollocks.

      Climateglobelwarming change is a scam.

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    • 298
      Really? says:

      It falls outside the Guiding Narrative and therefore must be glossed over, except by the ridiculous and contemptible Daily Mail and Express.

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  32. 106
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

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  33. 107
    Gordon Brown says:

    Where’s nursey? Nurse! When I went wee-wee in the night my water-maker produced a pretty green stream that lit up the bowl.

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    • 111
      Nurse Botha says:

      Oh dear, Mr. Brown. I did warn you against drilling holes on the beach, didn’t I, dear?

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      • 113
        Dynaplod (up for promotion) says:

        Nurse Botha.

        There is something I have been wanting to ask you…

        *drops to his knees and fumbles in his pockets for the ring*

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        • 125
          Nurse Botha says:

          Yes, Dynaplod? You won’t find it there, dear.

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          • not a regular commenter says:

            Helen-Joy Botha? Is that your real name?

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          • Dynaplod (up for promotion) says:

            Oh! Nurse Botha. Do you mind if I call you Helen-Joy?

            You must know how hard I have been working to gain your affections. The Chief Super says that something will be coming very soon. I will become a Sergeant.

            At that grade, they get paternity leave. I want you to be the very special one to help me claim it.

            Please accept my ring?

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          • Nurse Botha says:

            Nurse Botha will do just fine, dear. Shall I call you Plod or Dyna?
            I’m very pleased to hear of your potential promotion and I’m sure you’ll make an entirely average underwhelming husband sergeant.
            Your ring looks rather well-worn from here, dear. Is it second, or third, hand?
            I certainly haven’t had a better offer recently and my hymen is ripe for the taking but, unfortunately, most of my time is taken with clearing up after Mr. Brown’s messy *malfunctions*. (Mr. Brown is one of our more desperate residents who delights in making the other inmates’ lives rather difficult. The turd in the Scrabble box was particularly distressing for the ladies.)
            We can, however, continue to correspond and see if our embryonic relationship reaches the nappy stage, dear.

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          • Kаffer says:

            Fir fugg seek, Nurse Botha, u groot krokodil!!

            Stip being a bakvissie and put the oom brak out of misery, you skelm. Least he’s not a moffie.

            *check die lekker anties op daai girl!*

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      • 124
        Gordon Brown says:

        Bigoted woman. You’ve barred me from drilling the sofa, the fridge door, the vacuum cleaner, the old ladies, the letter box, the sink overflow and that vase with the chrysanthemums in it, haven’t you? The beach was the only pleasure left to me you fucking control-freaking nurse you. Is it nearly time for my enema?

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  34. 110
    The man who loves himself says:

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    • 117
      Mr 1% says:

      And what the fook would a rich privately educated lawyer know about shop work?

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      • 131
        What a plonker. says:

        If Chuka is the future of the Labour party ,then let us hope that
        they never get in again . What an arrogant tosser.

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        • 140
          No we can't says:

          Being called the next Obama is no longer a complement either.

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        • 142
          Dick the Prick says:

          Oh I dunno, the gimp could probably lose more votes than Ed Milipede. There was a gushing paean to him on Rd4 last week and his Nigerian dad was in the ‘import & export’ business and his Ma’s an Oirish lady – alrighty then – no skeletons there then, none whatsoever, move along. Plus, he’s stupid.

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      • 171
        CYNICAL OLD MAN says:

        Junior lawyer, if you don’t mind! Another product of, not only tokenism, but nepotism. Umunna would be dangerous if he wasn’t so pathetic and patronising. This prick really believes his own spin that he’s “the British Obama”. Thick twat still thinks Obama is a man to respect instead of the incompetent and corrupt crony capitialist that he really is.

        A politician who starts believing his own publicity is very worrying.

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        • 179
          AC1 says:

          BBC still having difficulty saying MF Global’s Corzine is a democrat?

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        • 187
          The Paragnostic says:

          At least O’Bama managed to get into a decent university – despite an expensive private education, Upchuck was so thick he had to go to Manchester rather than Oxbridge – and couldn’t even do proper law, just a comparative degree in English and French law.

          He’s a fucking useless thick cunt like Ed, except Ed was better connected and got into Oxford with shit A-levels.

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          • Chuka useless cunt on the fire says:

            Never realised that Manch had a university. I would have thought he would have been better off leaving school at 16 and joining the Army.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Thick and useless, should do well in the Labour Party.

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          • To be fair... says:

            The University of Manchester (and its constituent former institutions) have 25 Nobel Laureates among their past and present students and staff, the third highest number of any single university in the United Kingdom (after Cambridge and Oxford). Four Nobel laureates are currently among its staff – Andre Geim (Physics, 2010), Kostya Novoselov (Physics, 2010), Sir John Sulston (Physiology and Medicine, 2002) and Joseph Stiglitz (Economics, 2001).

            It is also a “red brick” university and a member of the Russell Group.

            It also has the world’s best Indian nosh just down the road. ;-)

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          • Errr..... says:

            I didn’t see it for myself (I made a pig’s ear of my A levels) but I’ve worked with comprehensive educated people that have shone at Oxbridge and have said that there are plenty of thickos at Oxbridge. One of the smartest guys I’ve worked with went to Manchester.

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          • Really? says:

            Without prejudice to the comments about Mr Umunna, Manchester University students invented graphene, which is one of those things like the laser that nobody is sure what to do with but becomes ubiquitous a few decades after its discovery.

            It’s arguable that Manchester’s inabilty to afford intellectual property lawyers to defend their patents is actually a good thing, as it avoids a re-run of the sixty year standstill in the development of the steam engine that their enforcement produced.

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    • 122
      I don't need no doctor says:

      Chuka’s head is stuck up his arse. Same as Reeves, Flint, Byrne et al. Harman is an arse.

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    • 133

      USDAW’s

      The usual stupid,dumb,assorted wankers ?

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      • 162
        Mrs Jack Harman says:

        Temporary gaffer? Amateur, I got a husband, a house and a sinecure for life! I wish Harry wouldn’t pound my bottom so with his mandingo dildo when I don’t clean the dishes.

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    • 161
      Kristopher Kenneth Kolumbus. says:

      Strange Fruit.

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    • 228
      Ego watch says:

      Rarely have I instantly disliked a person so much.

      I can’t quite put my finger on why.

      It can’t be his confidence as i like confident people, it can’t be his accent as I do not mind accents, it can’t be his politics as I like people of All political persusions.

      Is it because he gives the impression that he believes the sun shines out of his arse?

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  35. 120
    I don't need no doctor says:

    So many experts yet the financial shit pile gets ever bigger.

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  36. 121
    I don't need no doctor says:

    When the experts follow the trawler they think euros will be thrown overboard. (Courtesy of Eric Cantona).

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  37. 130
    MandyPickleSniffer says:

    So….let me get this straight…this Mehdi Hassan guy’s main beef is that he thinks the Tories are using the Deficit as an excuse to push thru an ideological agenda, and it’s all a ruse to push back some of labour’s baked-in Welfare Society measures?

    And your point is….?

    The Amazon review says Mehdi “…asks if this programme of austerity is really necessary or whether it is actually an economic strategy with its roots in an ideology that extends much further back in time than the global economic collapse of 2008″

    Well…DUH…
    Don’t you fukkwits get it?

    David Cameron is NOT just about cutting the deficit.
    His Big Society philosophy (yes, I know…a very naff name for it) is by far the bigger part of what he’s all about. And damn right! We need to rid this country of the disease which Labour has inflicted on us. The thoroughly discredited socialist arrogant attitude which is based on the premise that “the Government knows best”. Labour has essentially created a nation of dependants who have abdicated their self-determination to the all-knowing and wise State. People have lost their basic survival instincts and need to be weaned off the teat of big government. 13 years of Labour have left us with a huge percentage of people who depend, in one way or another, on the state…either through benefits or because they actually work in government. Layers & layers of inefficient & unproductive government bureaucracy. So, along comes Cameron with his idea that people should be accountable. People should take responsibility. People should take back control over their lives.
    And you have a problem with that?
    Of course you do….cos it means you’ll no longer have a class of people who are indebted to you & dependant on you, which means you’ll no longer automatically get their votes, which means you’ll be out on your arse and no longer be able to sit in your government office where you take OUR money and then have the audacity to claim that YOU know better how to spend it on us.

    You people have made a complete and utter shambles of the economy, you’ve bankrupted the country, you’ve betrayed our children & grandchildren…and now you have the absolute gall to sit there and pontificate about what you think the true meaning of Cameron’s cuts are??? Of course, it’s more than just the deficit you moron! We’re on a mission to lance the boil, to carve out this festering puss-oozing disease. We’re on a mission to unravel and unwind all the ridiculous policies which you’ve put thru, all of which are funded through BORROWED money.

    You had your chance, you royally screwed the pooch, and have now lost all rights to being any part of the economic discussion. Bugger off pls and leave us to clean up YOUR filthy mess, and don’t you dare try and make suggestions on how exactly we’re supposed to scrub away all of YOUR diarrhea stains!!

    The bloody nerve of these Labour Hunts….I tell you.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

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    Ed Moribund says:

    These holidays are wrong. At a time when blogging is still going, I say that Guido and neo-Guido should get round the lap top, put aside their Vodka and Guinness and find a story that makes Cameron look ridiculous.. and hopefully something that infers he has acted in a reckless and provocative manner.

    I can’t do that sort of thing myself, you know?

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    (I've been renamed) DA-Notice says:

    Mehdi’s dismissive methods you describe sound very much like the AGW CO2 based climate change advocates having a go, in a somewhat classic Group Think mentality way, at anyone who disagrees with them.

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    Moley. says:

    Somebody has had difficulty balancing the housekeeping over the weekend, and borrowed $88 Billion from the Fed.

    IMF ESF ?

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/plot-thickens-more-weekly-88-billion-outflow.

    Labour Party donation?

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      Really? says:

      Or this?

      “The proposed Irish bail-out could be crucial for Britain’s beleaguered banking sector after it was revealed UK banks have a massive exposure to the debt-ridden country. […]

      The Royal Bank of Scotland, which is largely owned by the British taxpayer, is the most exposed at £54.4billion, with £53.3billion of retail and commercial exposure, a third of which is residential mortgages.”

      Isn’t that about $88bn? Guido’s flown off to rescue his country in its hour of need!

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    Kristopher Kenneth Kolumbus. says:

    Scrote.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

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    Kristopher Kenneth Kolumbus. says:

    Isn’t it great – an air strike kills 28 Pakis-tanis in their benighted shit-hole of a country?

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  46. 165
    Kristopher Kenneth Kolumbus. says:

    Isn’t it great – an air strike kills 28 Pa-kis-tan-is in their benighted shit-hole of a country?

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    Kristopher Kenneth Kolumbus. says:

    Herr Shickelgruber was a true visionary.

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    Lilly Allen and husband welcomed their first child?

    Bollocks. She gave birth. She had to go what every mother does and lie on her back squeezing it out.

    How the fuck did we start to talk in such crap terms?

    You would think they simply stood on the doorstep to their mansion whilst a fucking limousine delivered the the thing from Harrods.

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      Dame Helena Kennedy says:

      Doubt she squeezed it out, probably just slipped out of her volumous minge as she was taking a dump.

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      CYNICAL OLD MAN says:

      Most young females nowadays think they are the first ones to give birth to children. Have a look at the shit they spout on that godawful Mumsnet. The idiots who run that site only encourage them to think that way as well. It’s about time they spent more time looking after their kids instead of posting on that site.

      Why do politicians pay attention to what they have to say anyway? Shallow,selfish, me-me-me, something for nothing misfits.

      Ah, yes. Looking at that I can now see Mumsnet followers and politicians have a lot in common.

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      Pedant#1 says:

      “Hello, fist child, how the devil are you?”

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      LaNCASTRAIN COMEDIAN of a b3457 nature says:

      Should have gone to China
      They have millions of spare ones , cheap as fuck and they can knock you up a good one in 5 minutes *mops brow*

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        LaNCASTRAIN COMEDIAN of a b3457 nature says:

        mark my words if she did she would be adopting another one 15 minutes later
        *mops brow*

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      not a machine says:

      Its a line that always makes me think any couple that uses it , must have brought one from Sainsburys , rather like new household furnishings .

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      Bullshit detector says:

      Awe! Lilly and Hubbie have enjoyed the birthing experience and moved forward with their exciting entry into the new-parent community.

      This country’s fucked.

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    MandyPickleSniffer says:

    So….let me get this straight…this Mehdi Hassan guy’s main beef is that he thinks the Tories are using the Deficit as an excuse to push thru an ideological agenda, and it’s all a ruse to push back some of labour’s baked-in Welfare Society measures?

    And your point is….?

    The Amazon review says Mehdi “…asks if this programme of austerity is really necessary or whether it is actually an economic strategy with its roots in an ideology that extends much further back in time than the global economic collapse of 2008″

    Well…DUH…
    Don’t you fukkwits get it?

    David Cameron is NOT just about cutting the deficit.
    His Big Society philosophy (yes, I know…a very naff name for it) is by far the bigger part of what he’s all about. And damn right! We need to rid this country of the disease which Labour has inflicted on us. The thoroughly discredited socialist arrogant attitude which is based on the premise that “the Government knows best”. Labour has essentially created a nation of dependants who have abdicated their self-determination to the all-knowing and wise State. People have lost their basic survival instincts and need to be weaned off the teat of big government. 13 years of Labour have left us with a huge percentage of people who depend, in one way or another, on the state…either through benefits or because they actually work in government. Layers & layers of inefficient & unproductive government bureaucracy. So, along comes Cameron with his idea that people should be accountable. People should take responsibility. People should take back control over their lives.
    And you have a problem with that?
    Of course you do….cos it means you’ll no longer have a class of people who are indebted to you & dependant on you, which means you’ll no longer automatically get their votes, which means you’ll be out on your arse and no longer be able to sit in your government office where you take OUR money and then have the audacity to claim that YOU know better how to spend it on us.

    You people have made a complete and utter shambles of the economy, you’ve bankrupted the country, you’ve betrayed our children & grandchildren…and now you have the absolute gall to sit there and pontificate about what you think the true meaning of Cameron’s cuts are??? Of course, it’s more than just the deficit you moron! We’re on a mission to lance the boil, to carve out this festering puss-oozing disease. We’re on a mission to unravel and unwind all the ridiculous policies which you’ve put thru, all of which are funded through BORROWED money.

    You had your chance, you royally screwed the pooch, and have now lost all rights to being any part of the economic discussion. Bugger off pls and leave us to clean up YOUR filthy mess, and don’t you dare try and make suggestions on how exactly we’re supposed to scrub away all of YOUR diarrhea stains!!

    The bloody nerve of these Labour Huhnes….I tell you.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

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    Jimmy says:

    Next week, Julie Burchill on the PSBR

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    not a machine says:

    I dont read much of Mehidis work in part because he would be better off just admitting he is and only reads of the left , as a being some sort of eutopia , which is where his sort of intellectual outputs seem all to often left beached ,when the mechanics are wonk.

    Thatcher knew that capitalism must work for the masses : This line alone should be perhaps made into an GCSE eng lit exam . But did we think (or were just lied to) Tony Blair make capitalism work for the masses is perhaps a more interesting question . Yet we have to ponder how the ruins ecnomic ideas secretly worked to give the , mess or even why it was more grandious for the euro project (and its socialist unelected masters). I perhaps agree with some of Daniel Hannahs thoughts on what the occupy movement were thinking , but I diverge with him on his analysis on what it is we are now seeing , free markets yes , it is so foundational and is the most obvious difference when thinking about socialist or communist systems , from free markets we then have the perhaps more mechanical workings of angels and demons . Less regulation or more ?? of free markets , how did capitalism become , lasVegasism , what did Thatcher perhaps understand about stopping financial markets/corrupt politics from destroying capitalism ? is capitalism that makes us rich , but destroys the balances of nature , really that smart ?.
    So free markets ….anyone disagree !
    Right then argument over, socialists must resign .

    Free markets that deliver capitalism to the masses : mmm bit more tricky as we seem to understand there is a moral dimension , in that it works is people behave in a way that does not subvert how the market is supposed to operate .Given we have based our Free Market ideas on the last 100yrs or so on the back of a fossil fuels revelution , it perhaps isnt too surprising that there is a bit of uncertain feeling of how markets should work .One could ask the question if supermarket is the only shop in town , if that is exactly what we mean by free market . Dan quotes Bill Gates as a model , well kind of, if I didnt have those nagging doubts that some aspects of the computer era have been nothing more than financial efficency gains , eg the high street shop has disappered as you can buy it on line ,cheaper , and so the activity of local economies has been reduced or perhaps anhialated , as has the creativity and diversity of retail choice , and so perhaps perversly a sort of denial of access to what we think we understand as a free market .
    The long history of Guilds , Trades, Licence has been utterly trashed , by the Ecommerce international trade , as we have made omni retail model that can do no other but seek and impliment the lowest price from outside of the economy in which it trades , and in so doing that more elusive aspect of moral capitalism , as morals have truly died for market dominance and cheapness, and somewhere in this model perhaps via corrupt politics has the monster of debts been birthed . For it would seem that the once benign philantrophy of the share holding concept of the 1900s , has become the life or death in politics , creating a vast swathe of people that are consumers/spectators , but not anymore contributors/shareholder in a work sense .
    The left as I see it , have brainwashed us all into this position , it is perhaps very fabian when you analyse it , and the wrong sort of elitism , so much part of,Datchas and zil lanes lined with enforced cheerleaders, we used to parody , but with soft physcological twist masquerading as progressive . You get benefits but loose the free market or destroy it with debt .
    We have gone from a refined micro economic free market concept , to an ogre macro ecnomic one , via amoral ecommerce and wonk superstate eutopian thinking .
    “look after the pennies and the pounds will look after themselves” is a phrase from my understanding of free markets , which were composed of micro/local ecnomies as the bedrock , and I think we are deluded if we think there is really another model .
    Of course we hear of a person becomming a multimillionaire from his/her bedroom , and assume it is the same thing as free markets , just like a shop , but as the groupon fad is showing it has consequences , or perhaps as the once safe route to riches of being a good pop band , has shown by how music can be distributed for free .

    I dont really consider having powerful tools of inducing consumerist mania , quite what free markets are about either , but again you might consider it as the fabians struggling to make somthing work , that in reality is culturally destructive in its persuance of knowing everything about ,your spending and shopping habits and issueing more modified seductions to whatever device you use , to keep your attention .

    The implicit diversification of markets , post the industrial/manufacturing reveloution has thrown up the boom in the service sector , for much of pre this era the only service sector was when armies/navies needed to be made , most others were from what was perhaps the educated class , which had free market functions .schooling , medicene , clerical etc . Yet in truth the reality to pay for these things has always been present , and so has the price they charge and abilty to earn a living of customers. Socialism never really has grasped the relational/symbiotic consequnces of earning and paying , what is sustainable , hence they always create ruinous debts . The computer age has done little to change this , if anything it has enabled omni corp and omni state services to become locked in an ecnomic deficet production model , as it considers the real micro economic irrelevent .

    Any free market , that does not include the requirement for work to contain an individual wealth surplus (to spend as they wish but hopefully/necessarily morally to uphold the economy) to enable them to own (at the lowest earning over a long working life) a home , a pension , proper nutrition , basic health care , education and defence from crime , is not really a free market , nor a society that can contain one,as I understand it and is a fraud! and more often than not a socialist one .

    Mr Goves success may be a long process , but his cambridge speech has a great deal of well founded revison and the guts to do somthing about it , a good education is the best of starts for the individual and the best hope for a society . he is thus far turning years of rubbish into very good rocket fuel , although I caution at zeal and expecting too much , but that is better than expecting too little , enabling the failures to heal and improve , getting a conversation with parents going (to complete the circle better, of home and at school, it is a very selfish and impoverished parental landscape as well as a school one) . He us up against some corporate interference about what sort of minds are best (I think the more reality and less cyber influenced is best) but ideas about the human condition have been twisted for some time in the tech boom .

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      Sir Aston Martin says:

      Has anyone read this? Can you boil it down for me?

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        Pedant#1 says:

        Yes – it’s bollocks.

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          not a machine says:

          you missed “the dogs” after it ‘s, out :)

          I take it your not too good on discussing the attributes of free markets ? and can only use short sentenced offence to make up the shortfall ?

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        Des E Maited says:

        Selective sampling (about one word in ten) can sometimes help :

        I work only as his left wonk.
        Thatcher must alone think masses ponder why I occupy his markets and when free angels did understand politics makes balances right.
        Free masses understand people operate last fossil too. One shop we model doubts nothing high and perhaps has access free.
        Guilds trashed as implement in elusive market via monster once the death of spectators.
        The brainwashed Fabian much enforced with benefits destroy refined concept via utopian pounds from which we really hear her same shop has safe band distributed.
        I consider mania might make destructive spending more use.
        Diversification has much needed class, yet things charge relational earning, hence age has become real irrelevant .
        Any requirement to uphold proper defence can understand socialist.
        Long speech and individual years fuel much, enabling parents of selfish corporate minds and twisted time.

        Hope thats clear now.

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          not a machine says:

          Impressed , but still lacks crucial response , if I have a point

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          • Des E Maited says:

            I’ve come to the conclusion that the modern education system exists primarily to make sure that most kids are NOT taught anything useful and are incapable of thinking for themselves. This control is reinforced by the Bolshevik Bullshit Corporation as part of the overall dumbing-down process. Add to that the deluge of ‘information’ that assails us all every day – it’s no wonder the average person’s attention span is so short these days.
            It’s interesting to look back at books and films from, say, 60-odd years ago; recent generations can find them quite difficult to follow for precisely those reasons.

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        not a machine says:

        Ill try

        Basically , I think free markets are a force for good .
        Free markets should supply work and not a client benefits state .
        The reason free markets have failed is because it has been corrupted
        Ecommerce sucks money out of local economies by destroying local retail
        Freemarkets have a moral dimension .

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    not a machine says:

    I am as disgusted as anyone at the public strikes being planned (for whatever political timing ) after the chancellors autum satement (which is not I might add , what some are believeing as the actual budget) .

    I mean we have people in paid work and state jobs , who by there very actions will cause harm to those who work and relying on the economy running smooth to help with the future .
    Nor do I forget that labour raided private pensions with Tax ,thereby making it obvious that they had no intention of making private pensions improve compared to public sector ones , the ruin did bugger all for private pensions better working .

    Public sector pay was never meant to be mega salaries and millionaire pension pots , unions will end up birthing a the unsustainable end to it ,if they dont come to there senses and conceed its too expensive for UK manufcaturing to employ people sustainably .

    come to think of if they carry on striking and economy tanks , they might just kick somthing else off

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    I recently found out that when using the urinal 33% of men hold their cock with their left hand and 67% use their right.
    89% wanted to know why I was watching them piss.

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    Anonymous says:

    Shocking! No greens.

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  57. 226
    Brian Williams says:

    I disagree; it is not worth giving £1.79 to an arsehole. I wouldn’t give him the drippings of my nose.

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  58. 227
    Zimbabwean white farmer says:

    Bloody savages!

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    I want britain to be back british says:

    I will be voting for this as Winterval single No.1 this year.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    @Eng

    Thanks for other day (refusing to join in bullying). :-)

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  61. 233
    Anonymous says:

    I fancy a kebab.

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    Medhi Hassan says:

    who cares? he’s just a hysterical baldy speccy four-eyes!

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    Baby. I'm your 'man'. says:

    Local Man Infuriated Over George Michael Aids Rumours

    http://www.thespoof.co.uk/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s4i102204

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

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    non believer says:

    Feel free to take Toby’s cock out of your mouth at some point Guido

    He’s a social climbing shame free prick of the highest order and yet you continue to kiss his arse at any given opportunity

    “He will describe the opponent’s argument as “hysterical” or “desperate” when in reality it is just contrary to his own.”

    Pot

    Kettle

    etc etc

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  67. 257
    grobdj says:

    So Osborne is proposing a 1% interest rate subsidy for small business lending, i.e. 4 grand off a monthly interest bill of 20 grand so long as I borrow 5 million

    What a laugh. Why not give us the same terms as the bankers, i.e. pay us the money up front, and no liability if it goes tits up

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    The Chronicles of Narnia says:

    Here the whole world (stars, water, air,
    And field, and forest, as they were
                   Reflected in a single mind)
                   Like cast off clothes was left behind
                   In ashes, yet with hopes that she,
                   Re-born from holy poverty,
                   In lenten lands, hereafter may
                   Resume them on her Easter Day.

    C. S. Lewis’ words on his wife Joy Davidman’s grave

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

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    Anonymous says:

    This government and especially the last government are an absolute bucket of shite.
    We really do need to get rid of these bunch of troughers who inhabit the so called parliament of what they can make out of it.
    Enough is enough in that we have seen over the years that this gaggle of misfits is not fit for purpose.
    they come out with platitudes which to me mean jack shit.
    TO me it’s time you chancers got real and understood what real people want to see, but then again I see you don,t really understand what you are seeing .

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    Politics is all codology says:

    all 3 main parties all wear the same jersey when they are in the lounge drinking after charade of debating with opposition eg pmqs. the tv show hustle look amateurs compared to new Labour Labour did not let or fail the voters they betrayed them. i cannot see the uk taking to d cameron for a long reign but ordinary working class are always in good times and bad times paying the most tax. it looks like learning how to speak chinese and german awaits people in the future who are not born yet. politics is all about whose lies the majority of the public like the best when it comes to general elections. New Labour created more millionaires than conservatives ever did=fact but with conservatives strenghtening employers market even more despite 10 million immigrants into uk by new labour by weakening workers rights why the fuck vote? why?

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    Gordon Brown says:

    Why won’t anyone buy my book ? I’ll throw in a crayon for only 20% extra.

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    Ghandi says:

    “The kaffar, the disbelievers, the atheists who remain deaf and stubborn to the teachings of Islam, the rational message of the Quran; they are described in the Quran as, quote, “a people of no intelligence”, Allah describes them as; not of no morality, not as people of no belief – people of “no intelligence” – because they’re incapable of the intellectual effort it requires to shake off those blind prejudices, to shake off those easy assumptions about this world, about the existence of God. In this respect, the Quran describes the atheists as “cattle”, as cattle of those who grow the crops and do not stop and wonder about this world.”

    http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/24/medhi-hasan-exposed-part-i-%E2%80%93-atheists-and-disbelievers-are-%E2%80%9Ccattle%E2%80%9D-and-%E2%80%9Cof-no-intelligence%E2%80%9D/

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  74. 299
    Gordon F Brown says:

    I’m watching Balls on Marr.

    After listening to him when he worked for me and watching him now, It’s no wonder I got chucked out of No 10…

    I really must be as daft as him!!!

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    Luxembourg's Finance Minister says:

    All the EU’s Finance Ministers know exactly what to do about the debt crisis, but none of have a clue as to how to get re-elected afterwards…

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    Spartacus says:

    What debt crisis Gu1do?

    There has not been a word of it for over a week on the bbc.
    Therefore it has gone away.

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