November 18th, 2011

Irish Budget Decided in Berlin

Today Dave is off to see Chancellor Merkel as we learn that advance copies of the proposed Irish budget were circulating for approval in the Bundestag in Berlin before being seen in the Oireachtas in Dublin. Elected Irish politicians will rubber-stamp the budget once German politicians have approved it.

German approved regimes have now been appointed in Italy and Greece, the Irish finance ministry is run by the Bundesfinanzminister with German “advisers” in Dublin acting as financial Gauleiters. In September 2008 the Irish government was instructed to guarantee the bad loans made by German banks who lent to the failed Anglo-Irish Bank and the Fianna Fáil government submitted, sacrificing generations of future taxpayers on the altar of the €uro. The Irish electorate kicked them out bringing in a Fine Gael government which promised to renegotiate the debts. In government Fine Gael too have bent the knee to Berlin.

As smaller sovereign states succumb to the German finanz-blitzkrieg it is difficult to see how the interests of those nations outside the developing German co-prosperity sphere are well served by the EU, particularly given that France’s AAA credit rating looks about as secure as the Maginot Line. It is Britain’s age old role to be a check on German domination of Europe, if Germany wants to reform the EU in its own image the British people should be given a referendum on their continuing membership…


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    Johan says:


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    nell says:

    Brilliant Guido – absolutely hit the nail on the head and that picture of cameron as chamberlain waving his worthless of bit of paper says it all.

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    Basil says:

    Don’t mention the war.

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    Winston says:

    Yo bro, we will fight them on the beaches – innit.

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    Broadsword calling Danny Boy says:

    Any reports of maps of Poland being unfurled in Berlin?

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    chriselee says:

    We must inrease Spitfire production immediately.
    Where is Churchill when you need him?

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    Broadsword calling Danny Boy says:

    Their gaff, their rules. It might be time for us to make our excuses and leave.

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    Adofl Merkel says:

    I vill succeed vere Hitler failed. Heil Merkel!

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    Warum seid ihr alle kommentiert in Englisch? (Why are you all commenting in English?)

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    Raving Loon says:

    What exactly are the EU trying to save? Themselves me thinks…

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    jgm2 says:

    German banks who lent to the failed Anglo-Irish Bank and the Fianna Fáil government submitted, sacrificing generations of future taxpayers on the altar of the €uro.

    Sounds like reparations to me. The ‘defeated’ Ireland paying money back to the ‘victorious’ Germans.

    They might want to watch that. And, for the same reasons, I think George Osborne and the UK will be very lucky to ever see that 7bn quid we lent them too. It wouldn’t take much rabble-rousing, wrap-yourself-in-the-flag, sp*ir*it-of-1916 rhetoric before they’d be reneging on our loans with a clear conscience too.

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    Engineer says:

    Don’t bank on the Yanks turning up this time, either (even two years late). They’re skint, too.

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    They would says:

    So they hated the British but quite happliy fall into bed with Germany, freedom of choice?

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    Taxfodder says:

    With friends like the current bunch in Parliament, folk in the UK might be better off with the Germans.

    The unelected UK Government is not your friend it denies you a meaningful say.

    The current system only gives you a vote on “who” is elected, NOT what they do and say in your name.

    If this is not the case why is the population still denied a referendum on continued EU membership?

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    EC1 PhD says:

    Nice piece of analysis, Guido. Makes up for yesterday when you bent your knee to the BBC’s Politics Show and their stupid mugs.

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    Up sh1t creek says:

    David Cameron has gone to Berlin to get George Osborne’s coming budget report inspected and approved, just like the Irish budget.

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    They were last time – it was our payments that bailed them out.

    This time round WE’RE skint…

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    Anonymous says:

    If Germany can reform EU in its own image people living in EU countries will have a better standard of living. People in Germany have a better living standard than people in UK.

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    Anonymous says:

    Brilliant comment (again) Guido. For myself, at the age of 76 and a life-long Tory, I have now joined UKIP. It will not make an atom of difference but it will make me feel better. Sadly, I am too old to emigrate. The only consolation is that unlike the 1930s, Germany’s military strength is nil and at the end of the day it is up to the people to decide whether to obey their masters or not. If only the British had blood in their veins instead of cold tea…one can but hope.
    Cameron is truly the most disgusting specimen.

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    Adolf says:

    I’m glad to see my Reich plan to control Europe finally coming to plan.

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    Nice says:

    Germany is dominating Europe

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    jgm2 says:

    I don’t think the Germans would give us a referendum either.

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    I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it... says:

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    i like gold says:

    Germany, I like your sausage but I don’t want to be governed by you

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    nell says:

    Well not the people of Europe since most of them including 59% of germans want their own currencies back.

    The only people who want the eu and the euro are the politicians who look upon it as their own personal gravy train and retirement fund.

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    Well it's a thought says:

    Just think when we get swollowed up by the jugernout nobody will have a place to come to and get asylum, has it’s points then.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    There will always be a “black” friday as long as that arse David Cameron is Prime Minister !!!

    FTSE 100 5371.25 – -51.89

    And this will get worse as the day goes on !

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    Taxfodder says:

    You may not need one ;o)

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    The big D says:

    Time to dust off Churchill’s “The Defence of Freedom and Speech” speech that talks about lights going out in Europe.

    The problem is, does anybody care this time round?

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    Abarth Phartrising says:

    OTOH, when the Euro finally snuffs it, there might be rich pickings for Wall Street.

    Also, if Europe and USA suddenly decided that they do not want to buy anything made in China – the ordure would surely impact the air conditioning!

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    Lou Scannon says:

    Besides, they’ve got another bloody socialist in charge.

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    A German Person says:

    I vant to drink tea in Vestminster and zee zee Deutsche flag flying over zee Palace of Buckingham

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    Sophie says:

    Merkel is from East Germany – she has no natural affinity with democracy. She is ideologically driven towards politburo style Government.

    Rusty Dave is arich fop with no natural affinity to anything. He believes in nothing & stands for nothing.

    Merkel will eat him alive today – no doubt she will get a commitment from rusty Dave for billions of British taxpayers money to help the Fourth Reich win its bloodless (for now) takeover of Europe.

    Ein volk, ein reich, ein Euro, ein Fuhrer.

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    nell says:

    Trouble is where could one emigrate to? italy, spain and the rest are all caught up in this same crisis – worse even . Australia is under the yoke of a rubbish socialist government.

    There’s Canada but it gets a bit cold up there for more mature bones like mine.

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    jgm2 says:

    And this will get worse as the day goes on

    I wouldn’t bet on it.

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    Engineer says:

    So we just wave the magic wand and – POW! – instantly, the struggling nations will have an industrial base and a national balance sheet that mirrors Germany’s will we?

    The economies of the likes of Greece, Ireland, Spain, Portugal and Italy are significantly different to that of Germany, and always will be. Those nations will never be in Germany’s image, and don’t want to be. Their economies must be managed differently, for the benefit of their own peoples, not as the German economy. The EU have tried that, and it didn’t work.

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    Jan says:

    Watching Sky I was surprised that the reporter discussing Cameron’s forthcoming meeting with Merkel didn’t make the association in his report about the Danish PMs loyalties .He said that Merkel had had a meeting with the new Danish PM yesterday who had offered to act as mediator between Merkel and the countries outside the euro.He said the Danish PM was having at dig at Cameron.Who is this amazing diplomat? None othet than the Welsh windbag’s daughter-in-law, a rabid leftie. Of course the Kinnock’s have been made multi-millionaires by their association with this corrupt organisation.

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    angry says:

    The Germans need to be put in their place. Fuck them. We didn’t lose the war. They will be crying in their milch when their industry ships out to China.

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    Anonymous says:

    Spoken like a true Dictator

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    Span Ows says:

    You like them? …but they always use the worst meat!

    (boom boom!)

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    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    MR Farage : “You vil be first against ze vall” !

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    Well it's a thought says:

    Time to go to the defence of the relm database and see if anybody left any kit underground, were going to need whatever we can get, were defenceless

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    The Golem says:

    +1. A repeat performance with a new cast of third-rate players.

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    Anonymous says:

    Germany is not begging UK to stay in EU, its UK’s choice.

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    neville from brum says:

    “We have no quarrel with the German people, except that they allow themselves to be governed by an EU Commission. As long as that Commission exists and pursues the methods it has so persistently followed during the last two years, there will be no peace in Europe. We shall merely pass from one crisis to another, and see one country after another attacked by methods which have now become familiar to us in their sickening technique.

    We are resolved that these methods must come to an end. If out of the struggle we again re-establish in the world the rules of good faith and the renunciation of force, why, then even the sacrifices that will be entailed upon us will find their fullest justification.”

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    Usually Correct says:

    Hang on a sec… Is Germany making the financial decisions actually a bad thing…???
    They obviously know how to run a country’s finances, unlike most other “elected” governments!
    Of course if you prefer elected chancellors like Brown etc. then you deserve all you get.

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    EMF says:


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    Monty on the Don says:

    No chance there, we got a right pair of Quislings running the show in Dave and George they are true believers in the Greater Euro Reich. You’re witnessing the beginning of the end of national government in Europe. Far from ending the EuroFed project the current crisis has allowed its intensification the creation of a German led Europe with France hanging on their best mate and us left out with no real powers but having do what we are told is now really happening. Still plenty of jobs for the Elite though so that’s alright.

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    Anonymous says:

    I like it: Brillo the mug.

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    Up sh1t creek says:

    Goldman Sachs at the ready to boost their profits at taxpayers expense.

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    Day Trader says:

    Looks like we will see Billy eating his shorts before teatime.

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    genghiz the kahn says:

    Ireland ruled by bureaukrauts.

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    Well it's a thought says:

    It’s been flying over the place for a few hundred years so no change.

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    Corgi says:


    *bares teeth*

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    Anonymous says:

    What about drowning the German Embassy in not too friendly emails? Just a thought.

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    Anonymous says:

    You don’t need a referendum to leave UK, UK government can decide to leave. No one is begging UK to stay in EU.

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    A Spitfire circling over Dover says:

    A little gift from the people of Britain to Merkel and the Krauts

    Merry Christmas assholes.

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    Volker Kauder says:

    Ein reich, ein Merkel !

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    Engineer says:

    Actually, it’s longer than that. They invaded when the Romans left.

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    jgm2 says:

    They will be crying in their milch when their industry ships out to China

    Why should their industry ship out to China? German products are properly made and last ten times longer than some cheap piece of crap made in China so people will always pay more for quality because, in the long run, it’s cheaper.

    That’s why the UK car industry disappeared. Because our manufacturing culture was/is simply an extension of the culture of idiocy we see in our schools where anybody trying to do well is targeted as a ‘swat’ and has all the ambition and will to succeed beaten out of them. I went to primary school just up the road from Longbridge. The same fucking wasters with the same lackadaisical attitude that left school with fuck all ‘O’ Levels were the very same folk trying to get away with as little work as possible cobbling bags of Austin Rover shite together as shoddily as possible.

    And then going on strike for more money.

    The Germans aren’t like that.

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    nell says:

    I wonder what our ancestors from two world wars, who struggled, suffered, fought and died to give us freedom from german plans to rule the world, would think of all this?

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    German Backpacker says:

    I vish to apologise for vot mein country is about to do yo you Britishers…..

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    Usually Correct says:

    But… you already are, in theory. The British royals are part Kraut. There could be an Anschluss: Lizzie becomes Kaiser and the german government efficiently runs Britain.

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    jgm2 says:

    They will be crying in their milch when their industry ships out to China

    Why should their industry ship out to China? German products are properly made and last ten times longer than some cheap piece of crap made in China so people will always pay more for quality because, in the long run, it’s cheaper.

    That’s why the UK c*a*r industry disappeared. Because our manufacturing culture was/is simply an extension of the culture of idiocy we see in our schools where anybody trying to do well is targeted as a ‘swat’ and has all the ambition and will to succeed beaten out of them. I went to primary school just up the road from Longbridge. The same fucking wasters with the same lackadaisical attitude that left school with fuck all ‘O’ Levels were the very same folk trying to get away with as little work as possible cobbling bags of Austin Rover shite together as shoddily as possible.

    And then going on strike for more money.

    The Germans aren’t like that.

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    Well it's a thought says:

    So rusty is selling us down the river for a piece of paper and a few Euro’s ,doesn’t matter which way we turn the politician’s are are selling us out, seems the kick off is getting a lot closer, when do we expect German and French troops marching down Whitehall.

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    coming to a cinema near you very soon .......... says:

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    genghiz the kahn says:

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    Anonymous says:

    Engineer says:
    November 18, 2011 at 8:59 am

    They did end up sorting East Germany. Greece, Ireland, Spain, Portugal and Italy’s economies were managed differently (stupidly) that is why they are in this mess.

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    Abarth Phartrising says:

    She thinks that she is a nationalist, a democrat and a socialist. Schickelgrubber thought the same – although he was a vegetarian also.

    Like Adolf, she and Van Rumpoy have decided that elections are no longer necessary to exercise democracy in Europe. Thus, ‘technocrats’ have been appointed to govern the provinces.

    My understanding of technocrat is ‘somebody who knows how stuff works’. Presumably, how the new democracy works, although it beats the shit out of me.

    Some time ago, I formed the view that the EU was the economic mechanism for achieving what the Soviet Union had failed to achieve by weight of arms. That is, ‘benign’ leadership of Europe.

    Far from benign, that leadership would be a tyranny. Since the EU is more closely akin to Stalin’s USSR than to Hitler’s Reich, it might benefit us to remember how many were killed by Stalin in comparison to how many Hitler wasted.

    The Chinese see us living in interesting times.

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    Beebonic Plague Bacillus says:

    Anyone agitating for a referendum, and this includes you, will attract the keen interest of Europlod death squads.

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    Budgie says:

    Germany is mercantilist. Germany benefits from the euro being dragged down by the PIIGS to lower than it would be if it was purely a German currency. Do not mistake mercantilism for cleverness.

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    Anonymous says:

    Too bad. Germany has bailed out Europe, so I think it’s fair that they decide how their money is spent.

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    Anonymous says:

    Why don’t you tell us what we did in colonies and how we ended up garbing those countries. Every country has its past. Most Germans are decent kind people like most people in UK.

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    John Ward says:

    Dear Senor Fawkethethethethe

    I wonder if any of your readers have spotted that in amongst all this jackbooted rubber-stamping, Signor Draghi of the Frankfurt office has spotted that most of the eurobanks borrowing money from him didn’t oughta be?
    And I wonder how many have drawn the obvious conclusion….that those banks are what we high financiers call borassic, and thus about to topple over any time now?

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    Anonymous says:

    Winning the war just gave us a head start in the battle of the peace. By 1997 we were winning it but thanks to Gordon by 2010 we had definitely been beaten. We won the war but wehave lost the peace.

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    jgm2 says:

    Guido Twitter feed…

    Idiot. Ireland had second highest per capita GDP in EU prior to 2008. You’re not really a professor are you?”

    Errrrr. Steady on Guido. I thought everybody had now come to realise how that little statistical anomaly was generated. Bazillions of borrowed cash bubbling through the bubble-icious economy. No more real than the Maximum Imbecile’s ‘growth’.

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    merkelangel says:

    Clause 231 of The Treaty of Versailles has never been forgotten, it is time to pay Tommy.

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    Jan says:

    There are still so many europhiles here. The Irish Times headline ‘says it all..’Government complains over Budget leak in Berlin..’ That’s it, they complained. Current affairs show last night saw various Irish politicians/commentator’s arguing about equality laws fro the travellers and the dispossessed.Yes that’s right their country has gone down the pan,the Germans are deciding their future and all they are concerend about is equality.

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    chriselee says:

    Just be careful what you say on here peoples.
    You will soon be getting a knock on the door and your family
    will be shipped in cattle trucks to do meaningful work in
    the fatherland.

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    Sophie says:

    Still modded?

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    Anonymous says:

    It should say Brown or Osborne.

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    Herr Dave says:

    Ich liebe dich.

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    smoggie says:

    Don’t tell them your name, Nige !

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    jgm2 says:

    Work? If the Germans can get the British to work then they’ll have achieved something not seen since 1945.

    British? Work?

    Don’t be silly.

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    Broadsword calling Danny Boy says:

    Scheiss – er ist ein umlaut nicht hier.

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    Anonymous says:

    Even MR Farage have a German wife, he used to have a UK one. We have so money women in UK still he went for a German one, that should tell you some thing.

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    Budgie says:

    Apart from being mercantilist, you mean? “Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety” – Benjamin Franklin.

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    smoggie says:

    We don’t know what the UK’s people’s choice is since we have not had a referendum.

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    L.Fox MD says:

    Me too! Can’t get enough dick.

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    Broadsword calling Danny Boy says:

    Er ist kein umlaut hier – dummkopf!

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    TRUE BLUE says:

    I am a true-blue Tory, more Conservative than Mrs Thatcher.

    That’s why I vote UKIP.


    The “conservatives” are socialist scum – traitors to our nation, EU puppets and should be tried for treason.

    I hope you all vote UKIP.

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    ColonelKlink says:

    Wir wissen, wo Sie Leben, Chris.

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    Her Majesty's Foreign Secretary says:


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    Sophie says:

    Merkel is from East Germany – she has no natural affinity with democracy. She is ideologically driven towards politburo style Government.

    Rusty Dave is arich fop with no natural affinity to anything. He believes in nothing & stands for nothing.

    Merkel will eat him alive today – no doubt she will get a commitment from rusty Dave for billions of British taxpayers money to help the Fourth Reich win its bloodless (for now) takeover of Europe.

    Ein volk, ein reich, ein Euro, ein Fuhrer.

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    Well it's a thought says:

    They will/would be thinking the same as we are thinking now, here we go again.

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    Labour will protect us from Germany says:

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    Hande hoch !! says:

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    Hugh Janus says:


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    Lurker says:

    I often wondered that too. They actually ran a budget surplus a few years back.
    Not everything they do is good, their current energy policy makes our one look positively sane but the Bundesbank actually keeps a firm hold on monetary policy unlike Mervyn. 80 years on they are still petrified by inflation.
    They are not weighed down by PFI and their welfare state although generous doesn’t exactly promote the dependency culture ours does.
    Housing isn’t all about prices and train travel doesn’t require a degree in quantum physics to work out the cheapest ticket.
    Good beer too

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    smoggie says:

    Zimbabwe is beginning to sound promising.

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    Sophie says:

    ConservativeHome has got the uber censor out in force today as well.

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    Toryboy says:

    What was it that Nick Ridley said about EMU before he was forced to resign?

    Something like: “its a German racket designed to take over the whole of Europe”?

    The eurosceptics are being vindicated today.

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    TRUE BLUE says:

    FARAGE IS A F*CKING HERO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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    Anonymous says:

    From what I see and hear Cameron is off to capitulate to the Germans today.

    Neville Chamberlain all over again.

    I’m so surprised too, being as he is such a Eurosceptic; he said so in his speech recently.

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    jgm2 says:

    They will be crying in their milch when their industry ships out to China.

    Why should their industry ship out to China? German products are properly made and last ten times longer than some cheap piece of crap made in China so people will always pay more for quality because, in the long run, it’s cheaper.

    That’s why the UK c*a*r industry disapp*e*ared. Because our manufacturing culture was/is simply an extension of the culture of idiocy we see in our schools where anybody trying to do well is targeted as a ‘swat’ and has all the ambition and will to succeed beaten out of them. I went to primary school just up the road from Longbridge. The same fucking wasters with the same lackadaisical attitude that left school with fuck all ‘O’ Levels were the very same folk trying to get away with as little work as possible cobbling bags of Austin Rover shite together as shoddily as possible.

    And then going on strike for more money.

    The Germans aren’t like that.

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    The Chancellor of the Exchequer says:

    +2.5(shortly to be revised down to 0.5)

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    Horation Nelson says:

    Stick to your oakum-picking.

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    Budgie says:

    That certainly looks like the UK’s future. Especially since we are so bad at negotiating within the EU, and easily get out-foxed by Germany, France etc.

    The Irish are already there, under the German thumb. Eire decided to opt for its financial takeover by the EU (read: Germany) because the Irish love cutting off their collective nose to spite the English.

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    chriselee says:

    I have your name PIKE,be afraid,be very afraid.

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    nell says:

    Here’s the hero of the moment of course, farage telling rompuy where he can go.

    Perhaps if UKIP could join forces with those 80 tory rebels then there might be a chance for us in the UK to turn the tide at least here.

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    Anonymous says:

    The current Socialist now resting his head in the White House has more in common with the National Socialists in Germany than his fellow American free market capitalists.

    There will be no Arsenal of Democracy out of America this time.. the Arsenal was turned into a Multicultural, Ethno-diverse, Day Care Centre for Welfare mother United Against Capitalism.

    No one to rescue us now…except Quatar

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    Anonymous says:

    Who is blocking a referendum? Its the UK MPs and UK government not EU.

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    Herr Dave says:

    Gott im Himmel!

    “Das kranke Empire” (Blighty ist gefickt),1518,798493,00.html

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    Rage Against the Political Elite says:

    Saxe-Coburg’s are getting their way eventually. UK absorbed into a German lead European USE, United States of Europe. Another non accoutable Federal State. Like the USA. Who really are the organisations behind this?

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    Anonymous says:

    You must realise by now that this country will never ever ever get a referndum on Europe, and even if it did and we said no, there would have to be another one until we said yes.

    We won the wars, but the Germans will win in the end.

    Even Obama wants us to surrender to them.

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    Major Eyeswater says:

    Thank you Winston, glad to know you’re still with us.

    You know just how vital an in/out referendum is when we’ve reached a point where the Germans can stop us from having one.

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    boulay says:

    the speech about the lights going out all over europe was by Sir Edward Grey, foreign sec at outbreak of WW1….

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    jgm2 says:

    True that.

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    Anonymous says:

    Sorry – if someone underwrites out your debts, then they have a say in how you manage your future spending…especially as you got into your position by irresponsible financial decisons.

    Greece, Italy, Ireland etc only have themselves to blame.

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    boulay says:

    can expect the IRA to start bombing Berlin now as they are so anti other countries ruling over the Irish?

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    Engineer says:

    Anon – when the Euro was set up, interest rates were set at German levels. That benefitted the German economy hugely, because the Mediterranian economies suddenly found they could borrow huge amounts quite cheaply, and use it to buy German goods. However, they didn’t have the economic power to service the debt, and we are now seeing the results.

    It probably wasn’t deliberate on Germany’s part, but they benefitted hugely from the trade, and nobody in the EU, the ECB, or the German government did anything to correct the developing mistake, despite dire warnings from the likes of John Redwood, UKIP and others. They were derided at the time by the EU institutions, the BBC, Labour and the lefty press, but they were spot on in their analysis.

    Anonymous – I don’t want to be rude, but you don’t seem to understand much about economics or the recent history of Europe. May I respectfully suggest that you go and do a bit of background research, because at the moment, you are coming over as a bit of an idiot.

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    Abarth Phartrising says:

    Since I have spoken with my Grandfather, before he died some years ago, and an Uncle who passed just a few weeks ago, I can tell you.

    Smedley Butler was right. It is all a bloody racket. The real problem with humanity is greed and politicians. Until psychiatry gets itself out of the clouds and declares political ambition a criminal insanity, we are destined to repeat history ad nauseam.

    Personally, I would be happy to execute a few hundred thousand politicians at all levels, in order to save the lives and freedoms of billions of people around the world. We are slaves if we are not free of politicians. Worse, our children are cannon fodder.

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    Well it's a thought says:

    I suppose that’s what the Americans said with their Marshall plan after another world war again with German.y.

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    Anonymous says:

    Cameron on his way to get the piece of white paper.

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    Heil Merkel and all who sail in her. says:

    Spoken like a true disciple of the Germanic dominance of Europe

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    Well it's a thought says:

    The times they are a changin.

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    Budgie says:

    The EU blocked referendums on the Lisbon treaty all over Europe, and made the Irish vote again.

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    "Dave" speaks to the nation after the Anglo-German Summit ??? says:

    “How horrible, fantastic, incredible it is, that we should be concerning ourselves and cutting public services here, because of an economic crisis in a faraway country between people of whom we know nothing…

    However much we may sympathise with small nations confronted by a big and powerful member of the European Union, we cannot in all circumstances undertake to involve the whole United Kingdom in dispute simply on their account. If we have to argue, it must be on larger issues than that. I am myself a man of reasonableness and consensus to the depths of my soul; argument between nations is a nightmare to me… Argument is a fearful thing, and we must be very clear before we embark on it, that it is really the great issues that are at stake.”

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    France’s AAA credit rating looks about as secure as the Maginot Line.

    To be fair, the Maginot Line was actually very secure – not one concrete bunker fell to enemy assault. The problem was that all the other national defences were completely shite.

    I suspect, however, the analogy will still hold. Sarko will do everything in his power to keep the sacred AAA rating while everything else collapses into chaos around it.

  132. 132
    Budgie says:

    The EU ignored the referendums in France and Holland.

  133. 133
    Anonymous says:

    A vote for Labour, Conservative, Liberal Democrat, is a vote for a United States of Europe.

    If you vote for them ever again you are agreeing with them for their stance on Europe that will defintitely lead to a United States of Europe.

    Especially if you vote for Cameron, traitor just like Chamberlain.

    He is a one term prime minister only.

  134. 134
    gman says:

    Funny thing is, the Germans are fiscal conservatives… like you Guido. Dam those fiscal conservatives. Let Ireland, Greece, Spain and Italy spend, borrow, and get bailed as much as they want! Hurrah!

  135. 135
    I Remember You Hoo says:

    Merkel has what can only be described as an “interesting” history.

    Her family moved from the then free West Germany to live in communist East Germany. Merkel herself was a member of the communist youth movement and rose rapidly in it’s ranks.
    Her Stasi file was unblemished and shows she was a staunch communist until the Berlin wall came down, when she then had a rather strange conversion to capitalism and joined the CDU.
    Make of that what you will, most EU technocrats are ‘former’ communists, it does smell rather odd, that their conversions have lasted a barely a couple of decades and now they are reverting to their former undemocratic, authoritarian selves.

  136. 136
    Anonymous says:

    Is it really surprising that the Irish prefer to be dominated and run by the Germans than the English?

  137. 137
    jgm2 says:

    Indeed. There is an undemocratic element to all this but unfortunately for these countries it was democracy that fucked them up in the first place. Millions of people waiting to be told they could borrow themselves into prosperity instead of working for prosperity. Hurrah! Yes, lets vote for that! Just like Gordon Brown and Toxic Ned are/were doing here.

    Just because you can get 40%, 50% or even 99% of folk to vote for something doesn’t make it right. We could have a referendum on abolishing cancer which would probably get 100% of the votes but it won’t actually achieve anything. Same with electing a government that promises to borrow us into prosperity. It ain’t possible. So us all sticking our hands in the air and voting for that ‘democratically’ is a bit fucking pointless. It won’t stop wicked and malicious politicians promising the impossible to stupid voters though. Which is how Labour still command 40% of the voters.

  138. 138
    Minekiller says:

    What’s ‘Sieg Heil’ in Gaelic Guido?

  139. 139
    Raving Loon says:

    Those 80 Tories, if they are really serious, should defect and join UKIP. There’s no point in pretending the Tories are actually “conservative” anymore. Labour and the Lib-Dems are bad, but a fake conservative party is worse.

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    Nelson's Eye says:

    We should stay neutral and watch from the sidelines, while the Irish fight for their country,like they did in WW2

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    Hugh Janus says:

    Quite so, Anon. I look at this way – Call Me Dave trots off to see his EU masters today, and will undoubtedly get another really hard kicking. Far from fighting our corner, he will just roll over and say “How much do you want?” Once again he will have betrayed the interests of this country, despite some tough-sounding press release as he steps off the aircraft.

    Same as the EU budget – we were well and truly shafted last time, even though he tried to make out that his intervention had been “a triumph”. It was plain for all to see that it was nothing of the kind. This time those greedy and corrupt bastards want another 5% increase in funding. Call Me Dave, the master tactician and saviour of this country, has told the world that he will accept 2% or less. Spineless or what? When every country in the EU is fighting just to stay afloat, we are entitled to expect nothing less than a significant reduction in our contributions, and if the empire-building dolts at the EU don’t like it then tough shit.

    We have in our midst a PM who is totally unable to represent our interests; an appeaser, a betrayer. The time has come to find someone who will stand up to these bastards. Better still, let the people decide. As every day passes another diktat arrives, thus pushing the British people closer to demanding their say. I just despair at the lack of leadership and spine. CMD has proved himself to be utterly useless, and I say that as a lifelong Conservative sympathiser (but not for much longer at this rate).

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    Neville Chamberlain says:

    Dave is a chip off the old block. He will believe all the assurances that Frau Merkel gives him.

  143. 143
    ColonelKlink says:

    Ah Nige, werden auch Sie in das kleine schwarze Buch go!

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    Evil Landlord says:

    Vorsprung Durch Technik

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    smoggie says:

    Bet she doesn’t look like Frau Merkel.

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    The lights are going out all over Europe.... says:

    You are correct but the issue here is that Germany is trying to interfere in the domestic affairs of the United Kingdom. It is of no business of theirs or anyone else if the United Kingdom and people decide to hold a referendum on these matters.

    Politically Cameron or any government could not agree to Germany’s proposals or implementation of a “Tobin Tax” on the City of London as they would be seriously damaged and in Cameron’s case he would lose the support of the vast majority of his party

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    I Remember You Hoo says:

    Oddly only a tiny minority of fanatics want us to stay in the EU. Everyone knows it, that’s why the political elite, who love the corrupt club, will never allow a referendum, or do anything about leaving.

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    Well it's a thought says:

    Think you should check your history on that one, including Dublin getting bombed.

  149. 149


    To which I can only add the following question: Would it be in Germany’s interests to have industrialised efficient and fiscally responsible places like Greece, Italy and so on?

    What is actually happening now is almost an exact copy of what happened between 1940 and 44. Germany imposed artificially low exchange rates on its European colonies. She then bought raw materials, food, art whatever at ludicrously low prices (in Mark terms) while selling manufactured goods at massively inflated prices in local terms.

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    The cry throughout the ages says:

    England’s difficulty is Ireland’s opportunity.

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    Engineer says:

    Not sure they’re bright enough to have worked that one out, yet.

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    The more it falls, the sooner comes the time to buy.

  153. 153
    ColonelKlink says:

    Ich mag meine Chips knusprig und hellbraun, Herr Pike.

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    jgm2 says:

    I thought it was the French and Dutch governments that ignored their own referendums.

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    smoggie says:

    They would beg, if UK made moves to leave. Do you seriously think the Germans can support the slovenly Latins on their own?

  156. 156
    I Remember You Hoo says:

    Since the unfortunate accident that killed the entire Polish EU sceptic cabinet, the Poles have been very accomodating towards their German masters and the EU project. I can’t for the life of me imagine why.

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    Johnny says says:

    “Elected Irish politicians will rubber-stamp the budget once German politicians have approved it.”

    I wouldn’t be surprised if this has been happening with British budgets too.

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    jgm2 says:

    A lot of individual Irish in both World Wars volunteered to fight alongside the British. But certainly, in WWII, the Irish government was more than content to sit it out. They even sent a message of condolence to the German people when they heard Hitler was dead.


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    Anonymous says:

    you may be an honourable man,sir, but we are talking about Cameron here, and he definitely is not, nor are any of our mainstream politicians who also wish to see the inevitable United States of Europe.

    To achieve this, there will be no debate, Germany says so.

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    jgm2 says:

    Lower inflation than the UK too.

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    Dwayne Dibley Ed says:

    Bravo my twolls, pretend to nutty UKIPPERS and do our bidding while the real nutty UKIPPERS do..our bidding!

    Wight, off to write some incoherrent dribble to feed to the Guardian and the Indie!

  162. 162
    Loungelizard says:

    The SNP feel the same way.

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    Hear hear, jgm2.

    I have never heard so much garbage spoken about the Germans as I have seen with some posters here. Challenge them on political points for sure but not on industrial production, where they are kings and we are minnows (with a very few notable, but dwindling, exceptions.)

  164. 164
    albacore says:

    Ho hum.
    Do you mean you haven’t already had a visit at 3 o’ clock in the morning from Plod, claiming they’d had an abandoned 999 call about somewhere vaguely similar to your address; and would it be alright to come in and take a butcher’s?
    (Being a law-abiding citizen who’s never been in a police station; or in court except on jury duty or to view the proceedings, I was of course daft enough to let them in and wander around, fruitlessly, to their hearts’ content).

  165. 165
    Herr Dave says:


    Blighty and the fat Bogtrotter’s shithole are gefickt. I’m off to Brussels/Berlin.

    “Kann das Land (Britain/Ireland – take your pick) ohne Industrie überleben?”,1518,798493,00.html

  166. 166
    nell says:

    winston churchill on tyranny and defending our island home.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Guess we better learn German then.

  168. 168
    jgm2 says:

    I do wish they’d get a move on.

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    Anonymous says:

    Engineer says:
    November 18, 2011 at 9:38 am

    Still they went and bought German good not UK one. Them buying German goods weren’t the problem. PIIGS problem was and still is

    i) building houses where they can, without considering were they are going to find people to buy and live. E.g. Ireland and Spain
    ii) spending more than what they got in tax revenue. E.g. Greece and Portugal.
    iii) some of the people they elected. E.g. Italy.

  170. 170
    Well it's a thought says:

    There’s a number of stories where Allied troops interned in Eire “disappeared” after a years holiday and escaping troops returned to Eire, for escaping without permission, also the Dublin fire brigade without permission crossed over to help Belfast fire brigades, so being neutral seems to have been very flexible.

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    Anonymous says:

    ‘Technocrats’…..mmmmmm. Think of:

    most of the Einsatzgruppen leaders, Fritz Todt, Albert Speer and many more…
    the ‘common purpose’ believers and careerists in the police/legal system/medicine/finance… those running the big industrial concerns such as IG Farben and so on

  172. 172
    The Observer says:

    Any Mouse,
    Brown has the very worst of reputations which is why he is a pariah.
    Osborne is still in the process of earning a reputation good or bad.

  173. 173
    I Remember You Hoo says:

    The EUrosceptics were right then and right now. Just as the EUrophiles were wrong then are wrong now and will still be wrong tomorrow.

  174. 174
    nell says:

    We have to remember that the majority of people across europe are not in favour of the eu and the euro.

    59% of germans want their deutchmark back. The french are predominantly anti eu .

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    Anonymous says:

    Game set and match to Germany, aided and abetted by the Swiss(again). No shots fired.

    The ESE is ready for take off.

    President Blair is ready and waiting, Cameron to be replaced by Michael Helseltine(preferred to the Dinnocks).

  176. 176
    The Observer says:

    Monty never got near the Don

  177. 177
    I Remember You Hoo says:

    Desciple? Surely the correct name is Quisling.

  178. 178
    lola says:

    Yep. The average german citizen is just as appllled by the actions of the the Eurofascists as everyone else.

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    Fish says:

    Vote UKIP get Milliband

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    Horse says:

    without an Army the Europeans can’t enforce shit

  181. 181
    ST says:

    By bombers that had got lost you mean?

  182. 182
    Usually Correct says:

    Well no.
    Socialist governments have pissed our money up the wall and now they’re blaming it on ze Germans.
    How would a german government be worse than a british (or greek or Irish or Italian etc.) one???

  183. 183
    Lord Trombone says:

    please learn some economics before posting

  184. 184
    Widescreen2010 says:

    Judging by the large numbers of British servicemen that have remained in Germany, our soldiers and airmen rather like the place. Organised, successful with grown-up attitudes to work and business. Unlike what they see in their old homeland.

  185. 185
    albacore says:

    Except in those cases, like last time, where UKIP don’t put up a candidate so that they won’t take votes away from the Tories, natch.

  186. 186
    I Remember You Hoo says:

    You are conflating being anti EU with being anti European. The two things are not the same.

  187. 187
    Usually Correct says:

    ES ist kein Umlaut hier, double Dummkopf!

  188. 188
    The Observer says:

    Bliar and Brown gave what advantages we did have in the EU away without any gains to the UK.
    The jury is still out on Cameron’s negotiating skills, but it depends on the advisors he has, and whether he will listen to them. I hope he is not listening to Danny Blanchflower.

  189. 189
    Polythesis says:

    ***NEWS FLASH***

    Today Prime Mincer David Cameron achieved a stupendous victory for the UK in negotiations with the German leader, in fifteen minutes of meetings he got everything the Germans wanted him to have. No need for a referendum, it would only get in the way of unification with a greater Germany and Cameron has even been allowed to speed up the transfer of money to Berlin, never before has a PM pulled off such a stunning victory for British interests on behalf of the British taxpayer. But the best news yet is that Cameron will be returning with dozens of German economic advisors who have very generously decided to oversee the transition from democracy to a wonderful modern new technocracy run from our friends in Berlin.

    Rejoice rejoice, a new dawn awaits and with our fearless and brave leader Dave at the helm there will be peace in our time.

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    The Fraud Works in Mysterious Ways says:

    The Frankfurt group aren’t ‘most people’. The are a corrupt and undemocratic bunch of authoritarians with an agenda. They must be stopped before it is too late.

  191. 191
    Jess The Dog says:

    They are blundering into a federal Europe. Germany wants its money back eventually and will shore up the Euro at any cost to make sure this happens, including taking over the economies of failing states. I have little sympathy for countries that bought into the Euro, or for those who encouraged the PIGS nations into the Euro about fifty years too early. The longer it is before the Euro falls, the worse it will be for everyone.

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    Usually Correct says:

    He reminds me of Hodges from Dad’s Army.

  193. 193
    chriselee says:

    Ich dien der whatsit to you Kolonel and my name is Tommy.
    All this German crap is way over my head,I struggle with English.

  194. 194
    James Bond says:

    So should she be assassinated?

  195. 195
    M says:

    Or are there legal means to prevent the subversion of democracy in Europe?

  196. 196
    Lord Lucan says:

    Need to unleash Dresden again…bring back Bomber Harris!!!

  197. 197
    Pundit Too says:

    Do we have so many money women in UK?
    Perhaps Farage should have sought out a UK heiress, or perhaps he did, only she is German? Have to look to the future you know.

  198. 198
    Anonymous says:

    smoggie says:
    November 18, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Still its UK government and MPs choice, EU cannot force UK to do it.

    1) Who went and gave Ireland £7bn?
    2) Who was offering IMF £40bn?

    As a country we put Cameron and Clegg in power, most of the people who voted, voted for them even Cameron and Clegg didn’t force us to vote them. If people have wanted they could have voted UKIP but they didn’t.

  199. 199
    Ghost of Dr Kelly says:

    Not only them

  200. 200
    I Remember You Hoo says:

    What you have just described is NOT fiscal conservatism idiot.

    If a person, corporation or country lives beyond it’s means, it should go bust, not get rewarded with loans and bailouts from innocent, hard working third parties, called taxpayers.

  201. 201
    Hang The Bastards says:

    ow Cast Iron Traitor Boy Dave


  202. 202
    jgm2 says:

    I’m surprised they got lost. The German embassy in Dublin was the size of a small town at the time. They could have called up the bombers direct and guided ‘em in. Or away.

  203. 203
    Widescreen2010 says:

    Seems fair enough to me.
    If the Irish don’t like the arrangements they can put their hands in their pockets and pay the money back. Now.

    Hmmm, I didn’t think there would be many offering to pay up.

    Carry on!

  204. 204
    Anonymous says:

    Very good point.

  205. 205
    Herr Dave says:

    Read the comments, guys, what the Germans really think of UK and its ‘pirate’ economy. You’re going down. Richly deserved.

    “Cameron-Besuch in Berlin: Das kranke Empire”

    112 comments so far.

    zum Beispiel:

    “GB funktioniert wie ein riesiges Piratennest”

    Ist klar? England/UK was always a pirate’s nest, from Drake onwards, but now you really are finished. Producing nothing of value and exporting terror to ordinary people. Fuck off and die, Britischer Dreckskerl.

  206. 206
    The Kinnocks says:

    We never really retire. Our spawn live on to torment you.

  207. 207
    Anonymous says:

    That’s what I love about the internet.
    It collects all the ranting tosspots in one place.

  208. 208
    Iloathlefties says:

    Can’t think of a worse time to have those quislings Cameron, Osborne and Clegg in charge. The Franco-German alliance will piss all over them. He’ll even come back waving a worthless piece of paper claiming victory, whilst in secret signing us up to giving zillions in more bailouts.

  209. 209
    Polythesis says:

    “It is the destiny of a greater German Reich to rule all of Europe”

    Otto Von Bismark.

    Adolf Hitler.

    Kaiser Wilhelm.

    They said it, Merkal just believes it.

  210. 210
    Home Rule for Ireland says:

    Its a modern marvel the way the Irish handed over their neutrality and freedom to Berlin.

  211. 211
    Reichsfueherin Angela Merkel says:

    Ja. Lesson 1:

    “Ich liebe deutschland” – I love Germany.

    “deutschland ist am besten Land der Welt.” – Germany is the best country in the world.

    Say it! Say it NOW! Say it like you f*ckin’ mean it!

    Heil me!

  212. 212
    albacore says:

    A United States of Europe or a busted flush of individual broke, demoralised and immigrated nations – either outcome’s a win for whoever’s really pulling the strings.

  213. 213
    jgm2 says:

    Aye. Owned by the Saxons rather than the Anglo-Saxons.

    It’s a victory. Of sorts.

  214. 214
    Reichsfueherin Angela Merkel says:



    Heil me!

  215. 215
    Pat Mercer - man of the people says:

    No. More like a combination of Jones and the spiv.

  216. 216
    Baron Hogwash says:

    It is indeed a Merky mess. At least the UK and Germans might agree on one thing – bomb France if it comes to war.

  217. 217
    Reichsfueherin Angela Merkel says:

    Ich pullen the stringen.

    You are all just vassal states – slave farms for the German Reich. You vill be forced into penury, und then asset-stripped.

  218. 218
    Loungelizard says:

    Anyone but the English.

  219. 219
    Nelson's Eye says:

    I dunno , aks the French, Russians, Poles, Danes , Italians , Greeks etc

  220. 220
    Anonymous says:

    It took Brown more than 11 years but it took Osborne only one month to destroy the economy. Rather than reversing consequence of what Brown did Osborne went and made it worse.

  221. 221
    Pat Mercer - man of the people says:

    Oh dear You Hoo – do pay attention. He is suggesting that the Germans are enforcing fiscal conservatism on the PIGS as an alternative to their dissolute ways.

  222. 222
    Eee Uuu Dictatorship, the last evil empire says:

    All this empire building will end in tears. Italy, Ireland and Greece are already run by Germany, who is next?

  223. 223
    Cassandrina says:

    Quite right. For the past 15 years we have been subject to the most venal and incompetent government in living memory, and most of these criminals are still on Labour’s front bench or influencing their party in the shadows.
    What we need is the leadership with the courage to remove the political corruption and tribal warfare; negotiate from strength and conviction with the EU and USA and elsewhere; and get real growth into the economy.
    So where is this Leadership?

  224. 224
    I Remember You Hoo says:

    It’s another fake Billy troll.

  225. 225
    Desperate Dan says:

    In desperate times you call in the experts and Germans are experts. If Ed was PM I’d be clamouring to call in the experts.

  226. 226
    Repeated as Farce says:

    A bit late for that.

    You clearly haven’t read soaring rhetoric of the EU’s 2005 Eco-Design Directive 2005/32/EC of 6 July 2005 establishing a framework for the setting of ecodesign requirements for energy-using products and amending Council Directive 92/42/EEC and Directives 96/57/EC and 2000/55/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council.

  227. 227
    JH says:

    Uruguay. Seriously.

    Nice place, lower crime than major cities here, simple immigration procedures.

    It’s 88% white, so you won’t feel like a foreigner. Unlike here.

  228. 228
    Pat Mercer - man of the people says:

    “most” are former communists. Evidence please boy! You and I may not like them but claims without proof undermine your argument.

  229. 229
    jgm2 says:

    Yep. That does seem to be the limit of their ambition.

  230. 230
    jgm2 says:

    You mean the SAS?

  231. 231
    Hava Nagila says:

    And that would be splendid except that a decade of EMU has not only failed to improve the living standards of non-Germans but has actually harmed them.

  232. 232
    Pat Mercer - man of the people says:

    I think you mean smug.

  233. 233
    chriselee aka anonymous says:

    Being anonymous will not save you.We will find you and you
    will be dealt with.

  234. 234
    Engineer says:

    Remittance Man – you’re not seriously comparing Hitler and the Third Reich with modern Germany, are you?

    Anonymous – those countries did those things because they had too much cheap credit – German interest rates in economies not suitable for them. A sovereign nation can elect who they choose.

  235. 235
    jgm2 says:

    I’ve been hearing some good reports about Uruguay too. Apparently a lot of wealthy Europ*ea*ns are pulling the plug and heading off to Montevideo.

    Good climate too apparently.

  236. 236
    Jabba the Cat says:

    Quislings are Norwegian socialists, as Anders Breivik highlighted recently…

  237. 237
    Nelson's Eye says:

    The history holds up . The reference was to the neutrality of the Irish State not the people , many who did serve in the UK forces.
    Their “neutrality” would have been respected had the Nazi’s won.

  238. 238
    Tuscan Tony says:

    He who pays the piper calls the tune shocker.

  239. 239
    jgm2 says:

    but now you really are finished. Producing nothing of value and exporting terror to ordinary people.

    Unfortunately this is absolutely fair comment.

  240. 240
    Pat Mercer - man of the people says:

    You really are paranoid You Hoo. So let me understand the implication here. The Germans collaborated with the Russians to bring down the plane of the Polish government. The Poles assisted in this conspiracy by being stupid enough to breach rules that even companies follow of not putting too many key personnel on one plane. Personally I find the theory that the Americans mistook the Polish plane for an Afghan wedding party more convincing – at least there is previous in the recent past.

  241. 241
    Yuk says:

    That is not very pleasant.

  242. 242
    Iloathlefties says:

    Why isn’t this speech on the front pages and on all the News reports? Its dictatorship in action and they/we all know it.

    From our politicians…………………………..silence. Quislings one and all. UKIP for Government!!!

  243. 243
    jgm2 says:

    Yeah. Right. Because the Nazis were famous for sticking to treaties.

  244. 244
    Lou Scannon says:

    Looks like you’ll be one of the first up against the wall then. How many lives do you have left now ?

  245. 245
    Hava Nagila says:

    Why would the Germans’ fiscal conservatism (or lack thereof) have anything to do with a debate over the threat posed to national sovereignty by Germany’s domination of EU policy?

    If by this stage you honestly don’t understand that this debate is about a lot more than whether we get lefties or righties running Europe, I’m afraid you never will and you should probably just give up.

  246. 246
    EC1 PhD says:

    Apparently Kigali is the safest capital in Africa. Mind your hutsis and tutsis though.

  247. 247
    Eee Uuu Dictatorship, the last evil empire says:

    You’ve got to laugh at the Irish, they spent all those years fighting off British domination only to be totally dominated by the Germans. Suckers!

  248. 248
    EC1 PhD says:

    And they don’t get upset if you shout at them in English as they’re used to dictators

  249. 249
    Engineer says:

    Brown inherited an economy in very good shape, and trashed it. Osborne inherited a pile of shit, which has since got larger as the Eurozone implodes. The two are in no way comparable.

  250. 250
    Hava Nagila says:

    What we did in the colonies? You mean building roads, hospitals, schools, civil services and the rule of law? The countries with the world’s highest standards of living – Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the USA – all started life as colonies of the eeeeeeevil British Empire. The world’s largest democracy and emergent economic powerhouse, India, was a creation of the eeeeeeevil British Empire.

    When Germans start building roads and schools for the Jews instead of shepherding them into gas chambers, then you can compare British history to German history. Until then verpiss dich, Fritz.

  251. 251
    Cassandrina says:

    Germany’s military strength is not nil.
    They have been clever in attracting some very talented young people into their army as both reservists and officers, as I met in Afghanistan when they were working on counter insurgency and internal social interaction.
    As with the current European crisis Germany has proven very patient in hiding their ambitions in all spheres. Now the political goals are more revealed as they come from the shadows. They have the brains and the brawn and have shown they can gear up much faster to meet challenges than the UK and the rest of Europe. All this has been done without a real Leader, simply a very strong woman with survival and political nous.
    Britain will be on the other side of the divide line to Germany for some years to come, but that does not mean there cannot be a win-win situation to exploit.
    Cameron needs to show both guile and courage. If he does not have either then we will simply be in limbo and succumb to outside forces.

  252. 252
    Mogabe's Wives says:

    We have ways of dealing with white folk. Most of it not too pleasant.

  253. 253
    Sophie says:

    Vote Tory get Cameron, Cable, Huhne & Clegg

    Dont just vote UKIP – join them.

  254. 254
    Desperate Dan says:

    Germans assumed that the Greeks were trustworthy and their word could be relied on. Its very sensible of them not to make that mistake again.
    A couple of months ago the Irish suddenly “found” £6billion down the back of the sofa so they might welcome a bit of help from a friend and ally to find some more.

  255. 255
    Wavy Dave says:


  256. 256
    EU Parliament says:

    Ssshh, quiet please.

  257. 257
    Pundit Too says:

    Is that why the Chinese have spent billion of dollars on German plant and equipment especially in the mining, extractive and processing plants?
    Germans, like Swedes, recognized that quality and reliability far outweigh price which is why the Germands have the best trade apprenticeship scheme in the world, and the Turks are copying it. Not so UK which for the last 25 years was stuck in a Trade Union minefield.

  258. 258
    I Remember You Hoo says:

    What the Germans are offering is not fiscal conservatism, it’s corporatism, do pay attention.

  259. 259
    Pundit Too says:

    Even Washington was knowledgeable and dismissive of Ireland’s economy kept awash with Euros helping the housing and other bubbles.
    Ireland my be under EU mandate but its businesses are mainly mainstream USA.

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    Don’t start me. I could write an essay about it. I did some work in Germany 15 years ago and discovered then that they had a work ethic that we didn’t. Against that, they sometimes had a very wooden approach – not the fire eaters that I had come to expect. Pedestrians stopping at red traffic lights on an empty road is an accurate, if clichéd, view. I was hired because I thought outside the box. But when you put the whole bag together, they did better than we did economically. Streets ahead. That is until we went ultra-Keynesian under Gordon the Shocker. I’ll stop now…

  261. 261
    Handycock, Russian Spy Shagger says:

    Fear not Russia will protect us as they did in the last war. Boaz.

  262. 262

    We have many non-corrupt politicians, as well – but still, Farage will countenance that brown-envelope grasping asshole Neil Hamilton on the executive of UKIP.

    Politicians – the more they claim to be different, the more they are exactly the fucking same.

  263. 263
    Must get a pseudonym one day says:

    For some strange reason, I can’t seem to recall the name of Guy Gibson’s dog – it seems to have been erased from my memory.

    Can anyone help ?

  264. 264
    Abarth Phartrising says:

    I agree. It is a mistake to associate this conspiracy with a nation and certainly with ordinary people of any nation.

    This is an international socialist conspiracy. Around that core is a layer of ‘benign’ communism. Around that is is a layer of false democracy. What you see is is a bumbling political fudge compounded by all the usual, distracting, incompetencies of bureaucracy.

    Be in no doubt, the core purpose is to make us all live our lives the way that a very few think we should. It is not the way that human beings want to live. It does not involve love of family and home. It is, therefore, anti-human and its methods will be, inevitably, inhumane.

  265. 265
    Must get a pseudonym one day says:

    But, just to distract us, those in large cities are being given a referendum in May 2012 to decide if they want an elected mayor. Priorities eh ?

    However, as all the paperwork will be in place for a referendum, so much simpler then to change the question to the one we really want………..sorry, dreaming again.

  266. 266
    I Remember You Hoo says:

    Google it you lazy prick.

  267. 267
    Charlie says:

    True Germany has worked hard. Germany benefited by not having to worry about defence expenditure from 1945-1955 plus received vast amounts of Marshall aid. The UK only finally paid off it’s WW2 debt to the USA in 2006! The Euro has kept the cost of Germany’s exports at probably 10-30% lower than if the DM had been retained. One of the USA criticisms of China is that they have kept their currency artificially low low to help exports. How much debt within the PIGS country is from buying German goods?

  268. 268
    A Spitfire circling over Dover says:


  269. 269
    A Spitfire circling over Dover says:

    The entire male population of Germany should have been killed after the war, the Russians had the right idea.

  270. 270
    now we're talkin says:

    Even though they’ll be fucked over by the Germans, the national characteristic of hatred of the Brits will supercede common sense.
    Yet, the British continue with this nonsense that the Republic of Ireland is its close friend. Like fuck it is.

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  272. 272
    Franz de Valera says:

    I believe in WW2 the Irish, being anti-Brit, leaned towards the side of the Germans despite allegedly being neutral.

    So… what’s changed?

  273. 273
    Susie says:

    People in Germany have a better standard of living that people in the UK…

    For now. The smart money is leaving the Eurozone, Germany included, in a torrent. And then there’s this:

  274. 274
    Shire Tory says:

    Whatever it has to be to get the remake acceptable to th US market!

  275. 275
    Left , turn right, keep going left says:

    When communism fell, all the commies got up the next day, put on a tie of a different colour and went to work as before.

    That’s how it works: you just carry on doing what you always did.

  276. 276
    Nein is not a number says:

    Vote “Ja” for Europe

  277. 277
    I see a black door and I want to paint it red says:

    They are working hard to keep getting big wages, guarantee platinum-pensions and maintain a sense of self-worth. Inflated, but still needs protecting.

    Cam and the rest eye that ‘security’ enviously. If Kinnock can feast at the golden trough, so can they…

  278. 278
    A Spitfire circling over Dover says:

    It’s OK, the Irish will allow the Nazi’s to use Irish ports for their U-Boats.

    We need to dig up Guy Gibson, Douglas Barder Barnes Wallace, RJ Mitchell soon. Your nation needs you once again

  279. 279
    Sit tight says:

    The Dublin-Berlin direct rail line will be in great demand. Commissar Kinnock has agreed to it already.

  280. 280
    Kommandant Angela Merkel says:

    “Ve has some special camps for you pig dogs who don’t obey”

    “In Germany we like to say work sets you free”

  281. 281
    Drop a Daisy cutter on the BBC says:

    Good fuck off then you jock mongs

  282. 282
    Eva Braun says:

    And to think you could have let us in back in 1940 and you would have been spared all this self-doubt. Fools!

  283. 283
    I can herd geese says:

    Corgis are Welsh. So that doesn’t count.

  284. 284
    DonkeyDong says:

    Pat Mercer – Whining little pissant says:
    November 18, 2011 at 10:29 am

    I am a big windowlicker.

    Fixed your last post for you.

  285. 285
    I hate Blue Labour says:

    Remember, this: ‘yes to the Euro, yes to jobs’?

    How’s that working out for you?

    One of the few nations to actually get a say on Europe, and you were too stupid to take the opportunity.

  286. 286
    Issy Troughing MP says:

    The country needs another Churchill and Dave, its not you. Piss in our time.

  287. 287
    English Parliament, anyone? says:

    And trust me, we English have no desire to ‘govern’ Shitland, Wails or anywhere else. Let them pay their own benefits.

  288. 288
    Poppy Fields says:

    Like us then. Ours is in Afghanistan propping up a corrupt regime.

    Instead of being here propping up a corrupt government.

  289. 289
    Ein Volk says:

    FFS! “Ich pullen der stringen” is korrect.

  290. 290
    John Sage says:

    If the Germans (quite rightly) don’t approve of reckless borrowing of money by feckless governments, why did they join the EU when all of the other members believe that spending other people’s money is the whole point of being in politics. It should be illegal for any Government to spend more than they raise in taxes.

  291. 291
    Monty on the Don says:

    Yes did, I was there last week planting spuds for BBC Gardeners World

  292. 292
    Monty on the Don says:

    Please let us have the opportunity to choose, but I think you’ll find that won’t happen. Cameron’s betrayal is the single issue revealed his lack of leadership ability. Hi performance from then on merely confirms it.

  293. 293
    Nina says:

    You write as if there is no direct impact on people in the UK from European banks.

    Have a look at what customers of UK building societies and Post Office customers have experienced. Many have bought bonds with these financial institutions believing them to be regulated by the FSA with democratic procedures for major decisions. Most did not realise that takeover or major stake by Bank of Ireland might lead to bullying or unilateral decisions taken by BoI, which led to a trashing of the value of their bonds and income. Who spoke up on small bondholders’ behalf? UK government? No. FSA? No. They’re now trying to seek redress through the courts.

    Be scared, be very scared.

  294. 294
    Figure of Hate says:

    I think you’ll find it’s the other way around.

    The seething resentment for the European project is cascading in classes for whom politics usually holds little interest. One of the loose threads holding the union together will be tugged.

    To clarify my first sentence, please research who will be responsible for the ECBs balance sheet once the vicious monster dies. Germany will be broken. Merkel will be humiliated.

  295. 295
    Jimmy says:

    You tell ‘em Captain Mainwaring

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    Be Jabbers, sure he's only gone and went and insulted us, so it is says:

    That’s a fucking lie. In WW2 Ireland interned German pilots but returned allied pilots to UK (released em over the border into Northern Ireland); Ireland gave invaluable weather information from Atlantic stations to allies; Ireland marked its west coast with coded positioning signals that were revealed to allies but not to Germans; allied gun placements on south Irish coast etc. etc. The CO of Irish military intelligence was nominated for the US Legion of Honour
    These “favours” may have been part of an Ireland / UK secret deal that in turn allowed Irish citizens to travel to UK without the need for a passport, the Irish being the only ex-colonials allowed to do this AFAIK. The details of any such deal will only be known when official state papers are released from archives.
    Ireland should be judged on its deeds during the war and not on its words, for example when de Valera commiserated with the german ambassador on the death of Hitler. As an ostensibly neutral country, those words are forgivable in hindsight.
    The present government in Ireland is in fact a coalition with Fine Gael and Labour Party, and the Labour party are as much as part of this sickening situation, more so in fact due to their hypocrisy. The leader of the Labour party, Eamon Gilmore said pre-election that it would be “Labour’s way or Frankfurt’s way”, but of course as soon as he got his arse into a state Merecedes, that all went out the window.
    The good thing about the budget leak is that we can get our Christmas shopping done early, and save the 2% VAT!

    Sláinte Guido, and sláinte to all!

  297. 297
    The Sun Also Rises says:

    The British Empire for all its undoubted errors over its life none the less laid the foundation for liberal democratic systems based on the rule of law. Even more impressive was its moral position in two world wars when it chose to resist aggression at great cost to itself when it could have chosen to let Europe sink into the abyss.

    No nation is free from having done terrible things in their existence but I would argue that the British Empire was unique in the way it attempted to address those issues and unique in the way it chose to pass from the Global stage granting freedom and independence to many parts of the empire when it could have chosen bloody oppression and bitter conflict. It did not always get it right and when it got it wrong real and lasting harm was done that is with us today, we know this.

    But just as the passing of the Soviet Union could have led to the most terrible wide spread conflict the passing of the British Empire could have fuelled a global conflict, this did not happen. Britain passed on the mantle of the world’s policemen to the USA with remarkably little friction. We should remember that all human organisation is flawed, but we should also remember that sometimes they also do things better than we might think. I believe the British Empire on the whole did things better.

  298. 298
    gman says:

    What I have described is fiscal conservatism you cock wit. The Germans are doing their best not to backstop the whole of the periphery. Besides, there are different shades of fiscal conservatism—George Bush bailed out the U.S. banking industry—as there are many flavors of Corporatism (absolutist, progressive, communitarian etc. etc., which is your flavor?) Germany advocates some form of bailout for the periphery. Only a dimwit, like yourself or Sarah Palin would be in favor of letting the whole system collapse, with the subsequent collateral damage sinking millions into abject poverty. Your definition of a taxpayer is interesting; so all taxpayers are innocent and hardworking third parties? Like greedy bankers, broken ratings agencies, and securitizers and missellers of junk bonds… and you, who (I suspect) supported an even greater liberalization of the financial markets than “the end of boom and bust” Gordon and Blinkey Balls. Cock.

  299. 299
    Stick Insect says:

    UKIP cost the Tories 21 seats at the last election.
    Unless Dave changes course he will be de-frocked.
    If the Tories try the same formula the next time round they will be totally decimated. This is so obvious.

  300. 300
    Spartacus says:

    For those of you old enough to remember the Donlad Duck song

    ”der fuhrer’s face . . . “

  301. 301
    Dave 'Neville' Cameron says:

    ‘I have in my hand a piece of paper, signed by Chancellor Merkel……’

  302. 302
    Cassius says:

    When you here a German politician shout “Ich Komme” he’s not just quoting from his favourite porno flick, apparently.

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    Pat Mercer - man of the people says:

    Bloody hell – even when you get caught out you simply change the tune of your first post. With that level of incompetence you could be a party leader.

  304. 304
    Pat Mercer - man of the people says:

    the key word is “most”. Nothing you have pointed to or googling (which is one of my few areas of real expertise) produces evidence for the claim. I assume English is not your first language (or you are a BNP retard). Most requires proof of more than 50%. Idiot

  305. 305
    Pat Mercer - man of the people says:

    Name based on inverse relation to reality? Go back to searching for your dick under the covers boy.

  306. 306
    Millligan from beyond the grave says:

    Ein volk, ein reich, ein arsehole.

  307. 307
    Anonymous says:

    “It is Britain’s age old role to be a check on German domination of Europe, if Germany wants to reform the EU in its own image the British people should be given a referendum on their continuing membership…”

    I don’t seem to recall the British people being given a referendum the other times Britain performed it’s “age old role”.

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    Anonymous says:

    “It is Britain’s age old role to be a check on German domination of Europe”

    But not Ireland’s. So what’s it got to do with you?

  309. 309
    Millligan from beyond the grave says:

    In fairness, on Cannock Chase there was a prisoner of war camp for Germans – quite a few never went home after the war, ditto Poles from the armed services – 50 years back we had a weird mix of surnames locally, Wolf, Gruber, Mateus, Jelusovavich ….

  310. 310
    Steve Lloyd says:

    Yes, but it will be modded.

  311. 311
    Really? says:

    Not a good moment to be able to get the sense of about two-thirds of the Spiegel’s comments; they don’t like us, we have lost our industry, our empire and our commonwealth without finding either friends or markets amongst the nations that we conquered in 1945. Our reliance upon the financial sector as a source of wealth makes us contemptible in their eyes…

    Willkommen in Europa, motherf@k@s…

  312. 312
    Really? says:

    (quiet applause: it was the potential ‘soft underbelly of Britain’ that never was)

  313. 313
    Kered Ybretsae says:

    All very peace in our time.

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    What my dad replied when I told him about this: says:

    Ve are zee masters now.Orders vil be obeyed at all times.Helga,take off your clothes please.

  315. 315
    What my dad replied when I told him about this: says:

    “Ve are zee masters now.Orders vil be obeyed at all times.Helga,take off your clothes please. “

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    misterned says:

    here here. UKIP have got my vote.

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    misterned says:

    Under pressure from the European Council and European Commission.

    The only democratic way forward is to have a binding referendum with two choices.

    1) Do we go all the way into a fully integrated EU, abandoning all our sovereign democracy in the process, as Greece and Italy have done?


    2) Do we withdraw completely and become a fully independent state once more and rebuild our nation?

    Once this has been offered to the people of the UK it can be settled once and for all.

    The ridiculous and dishonest pipe-dream of “this far and no further” cannot happen as it would require 27 other member states to grant us special priviliges and that is never going to happen. Repatriation of some powers is a non-starter, it is a delusion, a mirage and a lie.

    Just give us the fucking referendum, in or out!

  318. 318
    misterned says:

    The left wing mind will never accept that the British empire was anything other than purely evil.

    Even when presented by people living in former colonies, under various tyrannies, are begging for British rule again, those of a left wing mentality still will never accept that the British Empire also did a huge amount of good in the world. From helping to end slavery to giving the world common law and ‘all men are equal before the law’ to granting human rights globally.

    The left are just poisonous little dictators who cannot wait to shaft the population “for their own good!”

  319. 319
    misterned says:

    No they are not begging. Masters never beg, they order, instruct or demand!

    One thing is certain. As far as the UK government is concerned, we certainly do NOT have permission to leave.

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