November 11th, 2011

A Very European Coup Part II

The only attempt at a solution to Europe’s doom seems to be the EU forcing out democratically elected leaders and replacing them with trusted stooges who are loyal to the project. In Greece the incoming Prime Minister Lucas Papandemos was Vice President of the European Central Bank from 2002-10. Mario Monti, who is favourite to take over in Italy, was a European Commissioner in the nineties. Not a referendum or election in sight…

Luckily for the UK our cost of borrowing has dropped to a record low. Ten-year gilt yields fell to 2.106% yesterday. If however the UK was in the €urozone and things took a turn for the worse about now the European establishment elite would be forcing Peter Mandelson on us as PM. Or Clegg…


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  1. 1
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    Hello hello is anybody there ?

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      Anonymous says:

      Top solicitor jumped in front of Tube train because he could no longer afford to send his children to private school

      Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2059970/Vincent-Buffoni-jumped-tube-train-longer-afford-send-children-private-school.html#ixzz1dNynb1IY

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        MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

        Fuckin hell the picture tells it all
        That charterhouse school looks just like Lambeth fucking tube station
        and i’m glad they put in a picture of a tube train as i would never have known what one looked like !

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          David Laws Lib Dem fiddler says:

          Guido, Germany and France are forcing Greece and Italy to have interim governments to prevent an election. If there was an election it would turn into an in out EU vote which they do not want at any cost. The leaders who contemplate such a vote are ousted- that is the frightening development. The EU is determining what is happening in other nation states.

          Borroso is using language of fear to scare populations that a EU state could deal with these financial crisis far better any other solution would create doooom for all of us. He is obviously of the Huhne, Cable and Clegg school of economic stupidity.

          Eu vote in out vote now. I’m voting UKIP as the three main stream parties have been infiltrated with EU stooges who will create a pan European state by stealth. The stealth aspect has now come out into the open following the takeover of Greece disgrace to prevent the public exercising a democratic right ie vote for what they want. Cameron and Clegg should be ashamed of lying to the public that they would allow an in out EU vote- all a sham to win votes before the election with no intention of acting on their promise. As is always the case with Clegg.

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          • Osama the Nazarene says:

            You are of course correct Mr Laws but it is instructive to see exactly how the new EU Politburo achieve the results they want. In both Greece an Italy they had their placemen within the governing parties. These people refused to support their leaders (Berlusconi’s 8 traitors, Papandreou’s fellow cabinet members) when it came to votes of confidence.

            Guido is right to point to the EUs placemen in this country. Could Cameron be one of them as well if push came to shove? (rhetorical question)

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          • Honest View says:

            Historically, democracy is a very rare bird. Even in the UK, where we pride ourselves on our noble history, half the people were not entitled to a vote only 100 years ago.
            Looking at today’s elected leaders, I’m not entirely sure democracy produces the goods. I cannot never understand why crucial economic decisions are made by totally unqualified “leaders” who may have been in charge of something like education or agriculture only a week before.
            We complain that bankers are often unqualified in any real sense, but even they have some sort of track record or experience.
            I can’t help feeling that it’s time for polticos to go away and play at being popular and saying meaningless guff, preferably in front of a mirror, and leave the real decisions to experts.
            Democracy, let’s face it, often means voting in people who promise to give you more of other people’s money. That’s at least what it’s been reduced to, especially in leftist circles.
            It just seems to be a given in most people’s minds that “democracy” is an absolute good. Worth chewing that one over.

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          Rage Against the Political Elite says:

          Ha Ha, These lying weasels dont need to have a referendum on EUROPE. EUROPE IS FINISHED. The greatest Gravey train outside of the federal government in USA IS OVER. ITS ALL OVER. he he he. How will the kinnocks manage without the gravey. ha ha ha. NO MORE FIDDLE FOR Bliar ha ha ha ha. Cant wait for the whole corrupted system to fall to pieces

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          • MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

            They will all manage very well out of it
            They have skimmed off enough money to see them and their spawn through the next several hundred years !

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          • Gary says:

            Yes, putting Goldman Sach’s men in charge will fix the problems. God you people are idiots.

            Alan Greenspan, Ben Bernanke, Hank Paulson, Tim Geithner, Robert Rubin, all Hunts of the highest order. All “experts” and bankers. All failures and crooks.
            Paulson, especially, should be executed for treason.

            Hmmmmmmmmm…

            Have we forgotten the retard Greenspan? The man who thinks that if you removed traffic lights, they’d be no car accidents?

            I’m all in favour of cutting welfare for spongers like Ayn Rand (who cheated by using her husband’s name, sneaky sponging workshy fraudster)and Friedrich Hayek (the lazy immigrant shit who claimed welfare from Austria and the US, greedy scumbag).

            Let the banks fail, as Iceland did. Default. Restore Glass-Steagal.

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      • 33
        Anonymous says:

        Could this be due to Osborne’s cut in UK and giving money to other countries? Look what this government is doing to hard working people with self respect.

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        • 47
          misterned says:

          That suicide is entirely down to that man’s own state of mind and the responsibility is his alone!

          You cannot blame a government for people’s decisions to kill themselves, Or else Tony Blair and Gordon Brown are responsible for my Brother’s suicide in 2001 and as much as I hate both Brown and Blair, I do not hold them responsible for my Brother’s death. My Brother chose, of his own free will, to hang himself.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Sorry about your brother, but when government goes and suddenly change things and make people’s life a hell you can blame the leaders in that government.

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          • I support your view completely here misterned, and would further suggest that your first sentence is reinforced by the fact that, in the main, such tragic circumstances cause more trouble and grief for those left behind than the sufferer imagined that he/she was suffering, however bad that might have been. There are a few circumstances where that does not hold such as a relief from an incurable disease but they are the lesser part, I think.

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          A pie eating tub of lard says:

          I think you’ll find it was Murdoch’s fault, goaded on by Ashcroft of course.

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      • 134
        Anonymous says:

        If everybody that couldn’t afford to send their children to Charterhouse committed suicide there wouldn’t be many people left. We’d be down to the Cabinet, the Milibands & Tuscany Polly.

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      Anonymous says:

      TfL manager falls six storeys to his death in front of colleagues moments after being told he was redundant

      Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2060044/TfL-manager-falls-storeys-death-colleagues-moments-told-redundant.html#ixzz1dNywewVQ

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        I Got Bored Of Having A Hundred Monikers.... says:

        I know how they feel, i’m still employed and struggling to pay the bills this year.

        In real terms this country only has another year or two at most before the game is well and truly up.

        Bills keep rising while pay stays flat or reduced. Sooner or later something gives way.

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        • 51
          Anonymous says:

          Few days ago it was an ex-army person and his wife taking their life because they cannot afford to live through the winter. People are losing hope due to the way this government is running the economy.

          There will be more that aren’t reported.

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          • labourunionsbbc we are one says:

            Clearly the answer is more forign aid, more windmills, and bailouts.

            Oh and another olympic games.

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          • Sir Aston Martin says:

            Yes yes, let’s get someone else to pay. What about those fat, bone idle Chinese? They’ve got money growing on trees.

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          • Remind me again which Government actually ran up this debt ? says:

            Yep Gordons chickens are well and truly coming home to roost

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          • Honest View says:

            It’s not the way the “government is running the country.” I’m sure they’re doing their best in pretty sad circumstances: Western Europe, living beyond its means, having to readjust to a declining standard of living. And not helping itself by hanging onto eco-, green, over-regulated policies that are just prolonging the agony.
            I’d like to know more about the circumstances of your “ex-army person and his wife”. What exactly were their problems? And how was the government responsible for their deaths? What should the government policies have been that would have kept them alive?
            I would really like you to reply; otherwise I would have to consider your contribution a quick and meaningless piece of sniping.

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        Grumpy Old Man says:

        Funny, I can’t remember your public outrage when farmers were suiciding under Labour’s misrule. Can you point me towards one of your posts in the early 2000’s covering that point?

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      Cupper says:

      I think I have seen this story line a number of times in WW2 films

      Continental Europeans appear to have default culture of Nazism

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      • 29
        Anonymous says:

        In most EU countries people have a better standard of living than UK.

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        • 52
          misterned says:

          That is just flat out false.

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          • Anonymous says:

            In Germany and France even unemployed single people have better standard of living than UK.

            In UK unemployed single parents have a better standard of living than employed couples with children.

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          • sockpuppet #4 says:

            A wierd claim there. In France, what an unemployed youth gets varies enormously. The basic “income support” is next to nothing. The unemployment benefit for someone who has just lost their job is incredibly generous. So much so that it doesnt even make sense as “socialism”.

            A few countries in europe are better off than the UK. The ones where people work hard and save money.

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          • Anonymous says:

            sockpuppet #4 says:
            November 11, 2011 at 9:37 am

            Leave little England and go and see what is happening around the world. Great Britten is not Great any more we had lost it years ago, we are turning into a banana republic.

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          • Sir Aston Martin says:

            “Britten”, and you expect anyone to take you seriously?

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          • sockpuppet #4 says:

            Anonymous: You’re a very wierd twat. And an illogical and somewhat dim one at that.

            You provide no content or facts, just rather misguided insults.
            I provide facts that demonstrate some detailed knowledge of how things work in France, and you tell me I should find out more.

            You’re the one short on facts. What is incorrect with my statements about french social security?

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          • Sir Benjamin says:

            What’s wrong with my music?

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          • Sir Leon says:

            In my view, Britten should be taken seriously.

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          Grumpy Old Man says:

          And the present turbulence in the bond markets tell us how they were funding it. Sooner or later, the free lunch has to be paid for.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Is it like UK, Bank of England prints money and buy UK government bonds?

            If European Central Bank is allowed to do the same they could also bring interest rates down. Only issue is inflation will be around 6% like in UK and not 3% as in Euro zone.

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          • Another Engineer says:

            I have 3 million Reichmarks in the loft that say Germany won’t print money.

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          • Titford Hat says:

            And Brittan.

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          concrete pump says:

          No they don’t, they just think they do…..

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          The "Angry Aberdonian" says:

          Would that be because EU competition laws force thousands of British workers out of their jobs, while ignoring the wholesale corruption that allows French and German Industry to receive subsidised energy?

          So yes, the workers at Siemens have a better standard of living than the workers at Bombardier or Hunslet Barclay – who saw their jobs vanish to Europe, helped by a British, lavender scented, liberal elite – fixated on their own careers in that wretched continent!

          Once the Euro has failed, and the entire EU collapsed with it! Then we’ll see who has the better standard of living.

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          • Honest View says:

            Irish, Italian, French pensioners- all much better off than British ones. But can those counties afford such generosity? It’s beginning to look like they can’t. It’s easy to give away borrowed money and say that your country has a high standard of living, but it’s looking a difficult act to maintain for more than a few years before it becomes unsustainable.
            And of course, we in the Uk are still helping ourselves to benefits we cannot afford. Governments promise and dole out goodies, knowing that they will eventually be voted out; but they enjoy their years of power and privilege meanwhile.

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      • 77
        Grumpy Old Man says:

        Europeans love the whip….

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      misterned says:

      I hope that this serves as a warning to people as to the anti-democratic instinct of the EU.

      Italy and Greece have become puppet dictatorships of the EU beast. If labour had won the election, we would be heading the same way now.

      We must get out of the EU entirely before labour have a chance to turn this country into a puppet EU dictatorship too!

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        Lady Virginia Droit de Seigneur says:

        I think the behaviour of Merkel and Sarkozy will ultimately force countries out of the Euro and maybe the EU. I don’t think this is entirely unplanned either.

        I was reasonably pro-EU until about 15 years ago but reached the conclusion some time ago that the UK is better off out now.

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          misterned says:

          I was pro EU back in the early 1990s when the market was opening up. When the democratic deficit became apparent, and the loss of sovereignty without any democratic mandate, I changed my mind.

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          • Lady Virginia Droit de Seigneur says:

            That is one of the key reasons I changed but there are others.

            1. The sheer volume of regulation and laws which largely seemed designed to demonstrate the power and primacy of the EU over national legislatures rather than offer practical improvements to the life of EU citizens.

            2. The CAP and Common Fisheries Policy which are an absolute disgrace.

            3. The inability of the EU to account for the cash it distributes.

            4. The constant manouevring to silence any criticisms of the EU – Marta Andreassen, the pension conditions for MEPs and EU officials.

            Finally the Euro is an artificial construct that has proved an utter disaster. The entry conditions were fudged from the off. Italy and Belgium didn’t qualify and IIRC neither did Frnace. The deficit limits were supposed to be punished with fines but when the first breaches were France and Germany these were sidelined.

            The EU needs to learn that you can talk about putting politics ahead of economics but it will not work when the zone requires vast amounts of external financing.

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          • sockpuppet #4 says:

            I suspect that (1) would have happened anyway.
            The trouble is that each country has their own particuliarities (e.g. in the 90s’ british bikes had to have reflectors on the pedals and bells – other countries didnt), and grouping them together makes it worse.

            We do of course have our own “something must be done” politicians, who could have created much of such regulations.

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          • Lady Virginia Droit de Seigneur says:

            Ironically the very process designed to bind European nations closer together looks likely to create divisions as the Brussels and the German chancellor become increasingly autocratic.

            The tragicomic figure in all this is Sarkozy. Desperate to show he is one of the leaders the reality is that the process is being driven by Merkel. Sarkozy is like the little kid who hangs around the school bully and taunts the bully’s victims.

            His world will come crashing down all too soon – as Attali said this morning the markets have already removed France’s AAA rating. His chances of re-election are pretty small from where I’m sitting.

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      gman says:

      Greece was under the control of the EU the minute it accepted the bailout. It doesn’t matter who the Prime Minister is. They either accept the bailout on E.U. terms or the cradle of civilization exits and joins the rest of the barbarians. Great to see UK borrowing costs down, but where is the growth? Debt/GDP ratio is only going to go up as we move into recession.

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        Honest View says:

        “Accepted the bailout”… Alternative, please?
        And would you seriously expect those who do the bailing-out not to have a say in the behaviour of the recipient?

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        • 259
          Gary says:

          Greece should have defaulted. That worked for Argentina.

          Iceland didn’t bail out the banks and let the people decide. That’s worked out for them.

          Basically, any country that bails out bankers is Fascist and deserves to collapse.

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      Plato says:

      Hopefully, the stupid are leaving politics.

      Would you lend a fiver to either the Greek leader or the Italian Leader.

      The times call for people who do not make mistakes or do hissy fits.

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    • 85
      Plato says:

      The EU has kept us out of European wars for many years.

      Worth remembering that today.

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        Engineer says:

        Erm – Yugoslavia?

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      • 160
        GORDON BROWN says:

        Absolute Bollocks !
        That is what the Fourthreich want you to believe !

        The way this is going it will end in the” mother of all wars”

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          Honest View says:

          Most of the recent wars have involved people “breaking free” rather than wanting to invade other countries. I can see a Europe very restless indeed if the yoke continues. Not so much wars as revolutionary insurrections, nationalist uprisings.

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      • 182
        Sophie says:

        And there I was thinking that it was American nuclear weapons & taxpayer that kept Europe free from Soviet aggression.

        And not to mention the British Army on the Rhine would be rude.

        The EUSSR will be the cause of the next war in Europe – it will start with a peoples insurgency.

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      • 187
        Sungei Patani says:

        That was NATO not the EU.

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      • 188
        Whatever says:

        I thought NATO kept us out of another European War….

        Now we see the EU is stealing the credit for it

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    • 130
      Ocean Finance says:

      Greece and Italy should consolidate their debt into one easy monthly payment

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        MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

        10/10

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      • 219
        Merkozy, pawnbroker to the masses says:

        … and we can arrange those short term payday loans for you.*

        * Terms and conditions apply. APR 13985.24%. Your home and country may be at risk if you fail to keep up with payments.

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  2. 2
    Roundell says:

    I still think I should be given an OBE for being part of the right of British politics for saying NO to the whole euro project 20 years ago. (We were all ridiculed for it then – but we were right)

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    Tessa Tickles says:

    There’s an interesting article in The Times today by William Rees-Mogg, in which he points out that under EU law we’re legally required to abolish the Pound and join the Euro. Dave’s Masters in Brussels are starting to make noises about taking us to the European Court of Justice if he doesn’t speed things up.

    Dave will stand up for our democracy though, won’t he? *laughs*.

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    simon says:

    The EU brigade are as evil as the Empire in Star Wars. I wonder if the new EU army (if the crackpots get their way) will be called ‘Stormtroopers’. George Lucas should sue.

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      MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

      They already were stormtroopers back in the 30’s and 40’s when Adolf first conceived the federal state of Europe idea !

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        sockpuppet #4 says:

        Romans? Holy roman empire? Napoleon?

        The last one there is yer man.

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        • 92
          Grumpy Old Man says:

          Lest we forget, Philip !! of Armarda fame and LouisXIV also had grandiose ideas, as did Kaiser Willy. Scratch a European and you’ll find a meglomaniac.

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        • 142
          Mr. Putin's Stolen Cat says:

          Wasn’t he a short little (quasi-) frenchman with an inferiority complex?

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          • Honest View says:

            No, of average height for the period. As for his inferiority complex, I can find no evidence. A man of commanding personality and talents. Not a clubbable man down at the pub, agreed, but one of the most extraordinary figures in history.

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      • 166
        Jo Bloggs says:

        Actually “Sturmtruppen” were the special forces raised for Ludendorff’s March 1918 offensive on the Somme. That fat pouf Rohm just gave them a bad name by applying the title to his boyfriends.

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    • 265
      Anonymous says:

      Listen to Nick Abbot on Radio Bloke. He has a particularly amusing sound effect whenever he mentions Gordon McB!

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  5. 6
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    It,s all part of the master plan by the Nazi’s and their French collaborators

    No elections
    No say
    No democracy
    No freedom

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    • 36
      Reichsfueherin Angela Merkel says:

      Picture my Nazi jackboot stamping on your Englander face, forever, Schweinhund!

      Heil Me!

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      • 62
        Ctesibius says:

        O’Brien’, 1984: “always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face — forever”.

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      • 205
        MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

        Listen Kraut face
        We have kicked your arse twice and we can do it again
        If you lend us some guns dont take our benifits
        and dont start fighting untill after 4 o’clock as we need our kip !

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          Honest View says:

          It’s pitiable to read such tripe written 7 minutes before 11 o’clock on the 11th. Stop digging up a war that ended 66 years ago, and that was won by the Russians and the Americans, with the help of an island aircraft carrier.

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    • 83

      The new Boss man in Italy Mario Monto is, wait for it a member of the Bilderberg group.
      He has never been elected to anything!!
      He was co-opted into the Italian Senate 09/11/2011
      No one voted for him. The italians have never been asked do they want him.

      This is an EU inspired coup. However as usual we can rely on the BBC to mask the true anti-democratic nature of the EU. They are spinning the line. ” The Italians have turned to a Technocrat”.

      Have a look a this goons entry on Wikipediahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Monti

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    Gordon Brown says:

    2% ?? That’s pathetic, if I were still in charge they would be in double figures by now!

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    Mr Chips says:

    I read that Gordon has been lecturing France that the need to cut their deficit and ”He urged Nicolas Sarkozy, the French president and current G20 chairman, to draw up a “global growth agreement” with major powers such as China.”

    What a cock.Shameless.

    Imagine Gordon as PM,oh wait a minute

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      Corridor of Uncertainty says:

      Would Gordon’s global growth agreement include spending money on the public sector like drunken sailors by any chance?

      Entrepreneurs don’t need global growth agreements they just need not to be taxed to hell and back, be able to borrow sensibly, free trade and not be strangled by the dead hand of government.

      Entrepreneurs most definitely do not need anything from G. Brown

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      Grumpy Old Man says:

      Apparently, China have already last week politely told the EU to Foxtrot Oscar and clear up their own mess. McRuin is on the ball as usual.

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    • 117
      jgm2 says:

      He really is the most astonishing Walter Mitty type isn’t he? Even when he was nominally PM he managed to achieve fuck all except squander an additional 500bn quid trying to cover up his prior incompetence. Then he’d get on TV and rave about ‘curing cancer’ or some other insane bollocks.

      Now he’s only the MP for some shithole in Fife (a tautology there but bear with me) and he’s calling for world economic government and a bail-out from China.

      Fuck off Brown. Mrs Driscoll from Kelty wants you to sort out her fucking council tax – that’s the league you’re operating in now. You never were a world leader. You staged a coup against the actual PM and then spent three years doing fuck all except grandstanding in photo-ops.

      Just fuck off.

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        MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

        Er i’ll have you know i “Saved the World” And as for photo opp’s
        I always shunned publicity as this photo of me on one of my regular trips to Afghanistan suggests !

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    Ice_Road_Mother says:

    We could have PM by Committee.
    Who better than the BBC?

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    • 46
      Tessa Tickles says:

      To run Britain properly, we need the best politicians from the three main parties:

      From Labour, we’d have Frank Field. From the Conservatives, we’d have Bill Cash and John Redwood. The the Liberal Democrats, we’d have..

      To run Britain properly, we need the best politicians from the two main parties:

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    Larry says:

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      sockpuppet #4 says:

      Unusual animal. I was under the impression that the head was the tastiest part of a mouse. Surely it would be better to put that little packet of shitty intestines instead.

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    Hugh Janus says:

    We are witnessing at last the long-awaited collapse of the Euro and the disintegration of the EU. Both should be put out of our misery immediately, before we all go down together.

    The complete absence of any real, decent leadership from the misfits at the top tells us all we need to know about this charade.

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    • 181
      Anonymous says:

      Agreed.
      They’re making it up as they go along.

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        Really? says:

        They always have:

        “Politics is the art of the possible” – Prince Otto Eduard Leopold von Bismarck (1867, attrib.)

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    • 242
      Honest View says:

      Wishful thinking rather than a serious forecast, I feel. Some fudge will be made, I expect, some grand Euro project will still stagger on.
      I am always amazed, when I am in France or Germany, how faithful the average bloke in the street is to the European Project. They actually do like it, you know. British distrust is pretty rare in my observation.
      That fact that Sark and Merk are determined to push onwards and downwards is not DESPITE their respective constituencies.
      Germans are, of course, getting narked at being seen as a milk cow; this wasn’t their European vision, any more than being regulated by Brussels was ours.

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        Gary says:

        The politicians are errand boys for the bankers.
        They follow the “advice” of the bankers without question.

        Why were the banks bailed out?

        Far better to let them fail, then the government can strip their assets to protect the people.
        Banks should not be bailed out, they should be asset-stripped.

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    Steve Miliband says:

    Is Rachel Reeves really the future leader of the Labour Party?

    Marleeeen!!!

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      The lights are going out all over Europe........Weimar Edition says:

      AND …”This time next year we’ll all be millionaires…”

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    “democratically elected leaders” or “trusted stooges”

    Right, so its a choice of arseholes or wankers.

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    Muuurty's Ghuuurst says:

    Mandy in charge? Dear God, no. I’d have to shoot the c**t or top myself. Or both !

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    Edward. says:

    Yes, well Tarzan was telling us that we’d still be better off in the eurozone and that single states are a thing of the past in the DT, the crackpots are still running the show, thus, the Prince of darkness ruling over a coalition of the numb doesn’t seem too much of a stretch……………. .

    People power, the franchise?? Democracy???? Give it a rest – the Germans are coming!

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    bergen says:

    I see that Gordon has made a speech abroad saying that France will be next -but it will be gradual over weeks and months.I think he may be right for once.

    Once France has been economically duffed-up, what next? Drang nach osten perhaps?

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      I Got Bored Of Having A Hundred Monikers.... says:

      Even a broke clock tells the time right twice. If the EU collapses there will be a bust up between the French and the Germans trying to blame each other for it all.

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      Ctesibius says:

      On the contrary: follow the pattern of history. That comment of Jonah’s has saved France.

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      Really? says:

      Wahrscheinlicher, Drang nach Unten.

      I post this in the knowledge that ‘O’ levels in History and German are probably insufficient to attune me to the full historical consequences of that oddly familiar phrase: being German must be hellish, as each word you say is loaded with such references whether or not you intend them to inflect your meaning.

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    Welsh Windbag says:

    My turn is coming at last! [Cackles maniacally and strokes white cat]

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  17. 31
    I hope Tom Fatson's reading this says:

    We know Tom Twatson is very sensitive about his appearance, hence the PR advice he got from Bell Pottinger which he disgracefully put on expenses. I think a good way to piss him off would be to post a photo of him every day that shows him pre-PR makeover.

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  18. 35
    I'll make him an offer he can't refuse says:

    It’s a Godfather reference.

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  19. 40
    Jess The Dog says:

    It only works for so long, particularly in Greece where there is an unenviable choice of having the collective money tap turned off at the end of this month, or having individual money taps tuned off because of austerity measures. Either way, it’ll end in tears and the EU will end up being blamed.

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    • 245
      Honest View says:

      Really, the Euro has simply drawn inevitable attention to the absurdity of a country spending much more than it earns. It’s a simple as that; the usuall Mediterranean get-out-of-jail card called devaluation can’t occur.
      So it’s not really the fault of the Euro, it’s a spendthrift little nation that gave away it’s only trump card: its own currency.

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  20. 41
    Lady Boy Yvette says:

    Yesterday the EU culture commission past a report (U.K. cons were the only ones to vote against) that all U.K. sports team have the EU emblem on their national kit.

    Like

  21. 41
    Nicolas Shortarzy says:

    ‘France will be the next to crumble’, warns Gordon Brown.

    Terreeble. Thats another term for me then.

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    • 193
      Whatever says:

      I would have been more worried for France had Jonah Brown said

      “France is big enough and solvent enough to ride out this crisisl”

      Like

  22. 43
    Gordon Brown says:

    At 11 minutes past 11 on this the 11th day of the 11th month 2011, I will have a plop in public.

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  23. 44
    Disgusted of Neasden says:

    Problem is, the governments in question need to either raise taxes (or improve collection) and/or cut expenditure (on jobs or benefits). Whichever party did it, the other one(s) would criticise them, and gain points for the next election. With a non-politician acting in the national interest, both parties can lend their support, and normal politics can be resumed in a couple of years.
    You can question whether the appointed technocrat is doing the right thing, but you will have 80% of the political establishment against you.

    Another way of looking at it is that these people are still being appointed by their parliaments, so you might say they have a better mandate than the coalitions they replace.

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    • 97
      jgm2 says:

      Yep.

      The inherent major problem with democracy is what has got these countries into trouble in the first place. The problem is that once you have one party that is prepared to rob a minority of the population to buy the votes of the majority then all the other parties have to join the race to the bottom and rob the minority to buy votes too.

      Which is what you have in Greece. And Scotland. And increasingly in the rest of the UK and Europe.

      As we see in England/UK it is all very well to say there will need to be cuts and ‘austerity’ but that won’t get you a majority. You’ll still have a crowd of economic fuckwits prepared to believe that the problem can always be fixed by stealing more money from other people and you still have a major political party prepared to tell ‘em they’re right.

      The UK needs a fucking technocrat appointed instead of this numpty Cameron or his imbecile predecessor, Brown.

      We are fucked. We are at the mercy of the Browns, Balls and Watsons of this world who are prepared to tell any lie, manufacture any bullshit argument to buy the votes of imbeciles. With our money.

      And even if we somehow stagger through this crisis with Cameron the wicked and malicious fuckers will still be there at the other side lying about how they’d have done a better job and spent more money and had more ‘growth’. With our money.

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      • 133
        misterned says:

        To my way of thinking, all the three major parties are pretty much the same now. The tories are slightly better than labour and liberal, but not by much. The only party which is offering the policies I support is UKIP. I shall be voting for policies I want, rather than voting for a conservative party offering many policies I do not want.

        I am under no illusion of UKIPs electability. I know that they will be lucky to even win one seat, let alone a handful, but I cannot in good conscience vote for EU integration, More pointless and ineffective and harmful climate change taxes and controls, more high taxes, more abuse and perversion of the human rights act, more political correctness and more big government.

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      • 210
        Anonymous says:

        You are aware that Labour got told to get tae fuck in the Last Scottish elections aren’t you ?

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  24. 49
    BobbyVajazzler says:

    I can’t see how changing one prat for another equally idiotic prat will make any difference whatsoever to the impending demise of the Euro.

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  25. 50
    Mike Scott says:

    Where has the right wing got the notion that a change of Prime Minister requires a new election? It certainly didn’t have it in 1990 when John Major became Prime Minister without an election. Papademos was democratically elected in exactly the same was as Papandreou (or David Cameron); the people’s elected representatives chose him as Prime Minister. That’s how Parliamentary democracy works.

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    • 74
      Loungelizard says:

      Who chose Brown?

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    • 152
      misterned says:

      At least the tory MPs selected Major as leader in an election, and then he won a general election with more votes than any other PM in history (up to that point).

      Labour did not even have an election to select Brown as Leader and PM and the country gave him a million fewer votes than Major got when he was rejected in 1997.

      The only people who voted for Brown were the deluded fools in his constituency.

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    • 264
      Anonymous says:

      Are you saying Papademos stood in the last Greek General Election ? Are you saying he sat in the Greek Parliament ? Please name the district he represents and the % of votes he received.

      George Papandreou was the democratically elected Prime Minister of Greece and was effectively removed from office at the behest of the Fascist European Union.

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  26. 53
    Spartacus says:

    Looks like the Caption Competition come early!

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  27. 54
    Sophie says:

    And yet still rusty Dave & boy George cut at home to fund the failed EUSSR.

    Sooner or later the British will have to face trial for their treason & crimes.

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  28. 55
    Socialist watch says:

    Two EU countries get new governments without a single vote being cast. Of course the last thing they want is a demoratic vote as that would effectively be a referendum on the European project.

    George Osborne and David Cameron should hang their headsin shame though for going along with it.

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  29. 57
    I don't need no doctor says:

    After watching BBC’s QT last night Racel Reeve has taken not answering a direct question to a new level. This is now typical of all labour MPs. It’s has though they have had electrical implants that prevent talking about anything pre last election.

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    • 106
      Rachel Reeves says:

      Marleeeeeeen!

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    • 125
      Hugh Janus says:

      I gave up watching that wretched and utterly predictable programme a long time ago, where politicians consider it incredibly clever and right-on to avoid answering any question with something as simple as a straight and honest answer. The more devious and unrelated the answer, the greater the adoration from their colleagues and their many advisors. Even asking them the time sends them into a lengthy and totally irrelevant response. And Dimblebum is enough to have me reaching for a brick with his ridiculous and often partisan interruptions…

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  30. 63
    Blondie says:

    The northern European nations should band together and ditch the corrupt parasitic Mediterranean spics, dagos and other swarthy ne’er do wells.

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  31. 65
    Hang The Bastards says:

    Mandelson forced on us as PM ?

    Now that would start WW3

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  32. 68
    North v South says:

    So will they end up with a NEuro and a SEuro?

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  33. 84
    • 90
      The Whale says:

      That’s a vote of confidence for French Bonds

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      • 200
        Whatever says:

        I remember not so many years ago such talk would be booed by the Labour benches as “talking down the economy”

        Must be alright to do this when it is another economy (albeit a collapse would affect us) and also Liebor are no longer in power…

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        • 249
          Honest View says:

          Making a judgement on Labour’s handling of the economy: “Talking down the economy”.
          Making a judgement on Labour’s immigration policies: “Racism”.

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    • 104
      jgm2 says:

      Sarkozy would do well to publicly remind Brown of the economic cluster-fuck he left the UK and decline to be lectured on economics (or any other subject) by such an incompetent fuckwit.

      A double-barrelled Gallic ‘mind-your-own-fucking-business’ is in order.

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    • 114
      Ed Balls says:

      I taught Gordon all he knows about economics. He wasn’t a very good history teacher either as his books on courage show.

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      • 135
        The Whale says:

        Gordon’s PhD was in history of the scottish Labour Party, did you not learn that all their terms in office ended in economic disaster, or were you just keeping up the tradition.

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      • 257
        Hugh Janus says:

        His books were ghosted.

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    • 116
      MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

      He is right !
      French banks are into Italy for £260+ Billion
      The Gremans for over £100 Billion
      This whole fiasco is geared around bailing out their banking system
      at least we could afford to bail; out our own

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    • 128
      Gordon Brown is a cunt says:

      Why doesn’t Gordon Brown just fuck off?

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  34. 87
    Minekiller says:

    European elites have always been uncomfortable with Democracy, as an earlier poster superbly put it, “Fascism is the Default setting” when things go wrong. I reccomend to readers Mark Mazower’s excellent book “Dark Continent”, which explains just how prone European politics are to fall back to totalitanarism in times of difficulty. What is happening is not new to Europe, another multi-state system is falling apart as Tdid the Holy Roman Empire, Napoleon’s Continental System, Hapbsburg Empire, the Third Reich and the USSR (OK part European). EU was bound to fail, not because it is too big to fail, but because it is too big to succeed against the instincts of that diverse bunch who live on this Asian penisula – Europeans!!

    (Guido can’t you put that book up on your booklist banner on the website)

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    • 250
      Honest View says:

      Get a piece of paper one foot square. Imagine it represents the time scale of European history since say 100 BC. Colour in the time when democracy in a modern form (universal vote) occurred, in proportion to the number of people affected.
      It’s called a dot.

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  35. 94

    Just imagine Clegg and Mandelson together. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!

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  36. 108
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    In fifty or so years time , when all this EU crap has blown over
    there will emerge a group of leaders who will float the idea of a single European country
    Stating that they have learned lessons from the past and that this time it will work
    And the stupid fucking populations of europe will vote for it

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  37. 110
    Gordon Brown says:

    Today I shall be a bottle of propofol.

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  38. 112
    badpadd says:

    Why are these leaders so willing to roll over for Merkozy? Greece, Italy who next? The new Irish Taoiseach promised to renegotiate the bailout during the election and has done precious little since being called to heel by the French and Germans.

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  39. 113
    Well it's a thought says:

    Broke Back mountain has a visitor, oooh that colour suits you dear.

    Sorry thought it was the Friday comp.

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  40. 118
    Tom Twatson says:

    I’m a star! Next stop, Washington! I’ll wow them with my wit and intellect. If Galloway can talk to a Congressional Committee, so can I! I’ll prepare some great one liners that will shock em!

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  41. 121
    Howard Webb is the greatest referee in the world ! says:

    I can’t wait until next years Eurovision Song Contest.

    Greece’s entry will have an up-turned hat in front of their act.

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  42. 122
    Dee Flation says:

    I see petrol prices are coming down. Last week my petrol was £133.9p/ litre yesterday I paid 127.9p litre

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    • 158
      Well it's a thought says:

      Not around here it’s anything from £1.42.9p to £137.9p and that’s at the big supermarkets, so I presume your at a petrol station in Jeddah or Riyadh.

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  43. 127
    himindoors says:

    My slight concern in all of this is that we will go on posturing to the world how solvent and relatively well off we are by taking an austerity approach that has been neutered by coalition and the BBC, by the time we submit to needing (more) of other peoples money every other bugger will have been at the pot before us!!
    Something about spiting and biting comes to mind.

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  44. 136
    anon says:

    Austerity measures seem to be working both at home and abroad.

    http://twitpic.com/790znb/full

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  45. 141
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    It’s fucking rich that Barry Obama is telling the EU that they must get their finances in order and setting out a plan for them to do so !
    He is presiding over an even bigger fuck up and has done nothing about it except borrow even more money to throw at the problem !
    Ah now i see ,That’s the plan !

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    • 153
      Standing on the shoulders of ....certainly NOT giants says:

      They do have a plan….the states have the “Michael Jackson Trial” to distract the population from the lack of leadership over what to do over the global economic crisis and we have “Hackgate”………Bread and Circuses anyone ??

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    • 161
      Axe The Telly Tax says:

      A bunch of American clowns telling Euro clowns not to trip over their clown shoes.

      I see Obama the Grinch has imposed a 15% tax on Christmas trees.

      The President who stole Christmas.

      Hahahahaha.

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  46. 149
    GORDON BROWN says:

    Last night i stayed at Peter Mangledbums house
    to experience some ” Quantitative Easing “

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  47. 154
    The mad Mullah says:

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  48. 159
    Axe The Telly Tax says:

    The best thing Osborne can announce in his Autumn statement is the axeing of child benefit from April next year and the increase of the personal tax allowance to £10,000 per annum. In addition stop giving council houses to single mothers.

    Incentivise work not feckless breeding chavs!

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    • 164
      knocking shop says:

      Brothels for Chavs, are council houses for wanton women

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      • 170
        GORDON BROWN says:

        Look if John Terry had been born with a gammy leg
        he too would have had to rely on the family business for employment
        womanising , drug dealing , shop lifting

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    • 251
      Honest View says:

      1) We need more people, I’ve been told. We will soon be the most populous and overcrowded country in Europe. The benefits of this are… are ..er.
      2) If you create more chavs, they will be easier to manoeuvre for voting purposes or protesting, or whatever Chavs can be used for.

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  49. 168
    Paul says:

    Papandemos and Pliers. Didn’t he have a big hit in the eighties with that song “Tease me”?

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  50. 171
    Time 2 CTRL, ALT & DEL says:

    It is numbing to realise that in our contemplations at 11am on the 11th of the 11th, 2011 we are witnessing the foundations of the next European war.

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  51. 172
    Well it's a thought says:

    See you later people, time to remember and think what these bastards are doing to the country and world in our name.

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  52. 173
    Time 2 CTRL, ALT & DEL says:

    These are the foundations for the next European war. Chilling to think of on this day of all days.

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    • 215
      Grumpy Old Man says:

      What war? The Europeans ran down their military after perestroika and glasnost and have hidden behind the Yanks ever since. No member of the EU has a serious military capability. nor the poitical will to build one.

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  53. 184
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    The experts now say we are going into a double dip recession !
    Something i have been saying for the last twelve months
    Can i now have a job in the city or as chancellor as they have always denied it ?

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    • 190
      The truth that dare not speak its name says:

      Cos’ if Osbourne admitted it…he’d have to admit that his view that the private sector will generate enough jobs to soak up the cuts in public sector jobs is an illusion……

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      • 218
        Grumpy Old Man says:

        As opposed to the illusion that the Public Sector is the ideal method of creating jobs for the endemic unemployment caused by 13 years of Labour’s social engineering?

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    • 207

      What say you to a double dip Emily, Frankie?

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  54. 192
    Valéry Giscard d'Estaing says:

    So will France split into a northern half and a southern mediterranean half?

    And what about that aircraft carrier that they said Dave could borrow?

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  55. 203
    Taxpayer says:

    With puppet governments installed by an external power, do Greece and Italy still count as democracies. If not, surely they are not eligible to be members of the EU?

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  56. 204
    Stark says:

    This

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/essays/all/7378428/europes-hit-squad.thtml

    should go viral.

    Wake up and smell the coffee, indeed.

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  57. 212
    Anonymous says:

    ” Mandy ….”We have to be seen to be doing something” …..( Harold Macmillan .Flu epidermic masks )

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  58. 223
    Jock Strapped says:

    We were warned. Remember when It’s a Knockout was hijacked to become Jeux Sans Frontiers?

    The plucky Brits from Bournemouth, playing by the rules and the spirit of the game, would be beaten by cheating continentals from Toulouse? How Stuart Hall would laugh and wheeze as Frankfurt played their Joker.

    Not much has changed there then.

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  59. 227
    Peter Whale says:

    Did you read my comment yesterday on Orphans of liberty?

    Peter Whale on November 10, 2011 at 2:27 pm
    Reuters report earlier today
    The chances have risen of European Central Bank vice president Lucas Papademos heading the coalition in Greece
    (now declared)

    Former European commissioner Mario Monti emerged on Thursday as favourite to replace Silvio Berlusconi and form a new government to stave off a run on Italian bonds that is endangering the entire euro zone.

    Once the bank crisis in France takes hold and all the deficits in the UK banks comes to the fore. How long before dear old Mandleson heads an allparty coaltion to get us out of the problem.
    Problem solved for the EU.

    REPLY

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  60. 228
    Simon says:

    To brighten up the section-here’s a joke.
    A Frenchman,German,Englishman,Russian and a pickle-eater (a polishman) are on top of the Eiffel Tower. The Frenchman starts to show off and says:’we have a lot of wine in france.’ And duly chucks off a bottle of wine. The German follows suit and says: ‘we have a lot of sour-kraut in Deutsch’. And throws off a jar of sour-kraut. The Russian does the same only throwing off a bottle of Voddie. The Polishman throws off a jar of pickles. The Englishman thinks for a second and throws off the Polishman.

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  61. 230
    MB. says:

    “The only attempt at a solution to Europe’s doom seems to be the EU forcing out democratically elected leaders and replacing them with trusted stooges who are loyal to the project.”

    A technique perfected by the Nazis and Soviets.

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  62. 261
    Neil Kinnock says:

    Mandelson? Not while I’m still breathing.

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  63. 262
    Grrr says:

    Bloody hell – it’s the child catcher from Chitty-Chitty-Bang-Bang!

    Like

  64. 263
    Silly Billy says:

    Guido,

    That’s a truly sinister picture of Madelslime touching up Clegg.

    Perhaps the following one more accurately depicts the situation. Guess which one’s Mandelslime:

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