Ed Miliband and Tessa Jowell Invited Circle Into NHS
A co-conspirator forwarded this email sent to Massoud Fouladi, the Chief Medical Officer and co-founder of the Circle partnership which is taking over the running of a failing NHS hospital.
Labour leaning blogs and activists are up in arms about the invitation to the Circle Partnership to come in and run Hinchingbrooke Hospital. They seem to forget that it was Labour’s now Shadow Health Secretary Andy Burnham who started the Hinchingbrooke process. The decision to proceed with the franchise was one of his first acts as Health Secretary. Circle has already done some £110 million of NHS business under the last Labour Government. Labour’s Liz Kendall told the commons today: “Patients and the public will be deeply worried that this morning they have seen this Government’s true vision for the future of our NHS”. Ironically Andy Burnham, who started the whole process, was nowhere to be seen today,…
That cant be right , i have labour complain about the deal.
Unless they telling porkies?
Beware of Billys
Beware of fake Billys is more accurate.
The pseudo-Billys are infinitely more readable than the *real* one.
Did someone mention lashings of ginger beer?
I warn you that I will tweet if you dont stop the fakering
How often does you tweet, Billy?
Every day, Father O’Blivion – will I go blind?
*Chuckles* Maybe.
There was an fellow called Billy
Whose comments were never very silly
He thought he was amusing
But the caption contest, he was losing
So he played in a booth with his willy.
I have tweeted once today – i will do again if i have to
You cracked me up with the image of trying to type thru the window with a broom
Are you going to tweet as Billy or as Muffled voice from the booth
Dunno yet. Ontablets is a shit name, ain’t it?
Ewa won’t mind you nicking another one of her monkiers, Billy.
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Labour arent against Fu-k all as long as they get their bum holes filled. All of the Politicians can be easily turned. FLIP FLOP is the name to best described the scum bag no moral no honour no policy apart from the one that leads to POWER. If that means taking up the shitter then take it up the shitter Politicians will.
The Gravey train is coming to an end, shame for the low life political class who would sell their granny for a portion of methadone.
True meritocracy round the corner as the economic system drowned by the fraudster political class
Please wake up people, wake up and stop getting Politcal Party BLINDED. The party system is a front for the ignorant class. ITS A FUCKING PUNCH AND JUDY SHOW.
Must I have to spell it out. THEY ARE ALL THE SAME, BLIAR THATCHER ED CAMEROON BROON. All knackers TAXING the economy to a standstill
So true, 80% new legislation from the dieing EU beast, time for a new politics. The current system is unnecessary expense.
Labour are against private hospitals. Labour have always been against private hospitals.
Rt Vile Ed Miliband MP welcomes privatisation of the NHS. Have any boys abused by the Rt Vile Tom Watson MP surfaced yet?
What I find surprising is, Cameron saying he is only doing what Labour would have done. Conservative supporters are very happy about it, they cheer Cameron.
Then what is the point in having this conservative government. We could have had Brown.
True as a sado masochist I enjoyed Brown wrecking the economy and rendering my pension worthless, whilst ensuring my children and their children are born into a lives of debt slavery. I say yes to more pain and yes to wild uncontrolled borrowing and spending. It’s the socialist way.
You cannot be serious
But he made no financial sense.
It is only the Tories that stopped the rot and gave us the breathing space.
The question now is have they spent the time wisely?
Be aware that within the Labour Party’s inner circles there is an even more unaccountable little freemasonry operating called the Co-operative Party. An examination of their activities and the nature of some of their poiltical networks is a key to unravelling what Burnham and Jowell have been up to in office and subsequently.
My housekeeper, the inestimable Mrs Slope, tells me this means “they must be getting their divvy”.
No, I have no idea either.
A brief scan of the relevant page on Wikipedia reveals that Ed Balls is the senior ranking member within the PLP. Beyond that, Ken Livingstone is broadly on board with their thinking.
Find the weblinks for yourselves; I feel I’m doing the world a favour by not promoting the inward-looking world of leftist politics.
If only they kept themselves to inwards sources of funding.
These fuck up are becoming a common occurance in Labour circles probably reflecting a lack of direction from the top. This is my favorite:
Fuck listen to that Labour MP, no wonder people think we northerners are thick.
Excellent!
and you believe what Cameron say in PMQs.
I don’t believe much of what he says but do I believe he wouldn’t:
1. Claim he worked for Labour
2. Claim he was appointed head of a strat’ health authority
3. Claim he was in charge of NHS procurment
while in fact the guy was actually Cameron’s advisor.
If what he said there wasn’t true, Labour would be all over trying to get him to apologise for misleading the House.
Don’t be a cretin anonymong.
Any Mouse,
Looking at the glum faces on Labour benches and their silence, except for Mrs Balls – YES in this instance.
I am surprised the PM understood the Labour union member because I struggled.
ST, Cameron said in parliament
1) NHS waiting time is falling
2) He didn’t ask Andy any question on what he did in NI
3) He did speak to Rupert or Brooks about BskyB bid
4) He had confidence in Fox
There are much more, including EU, national debt, etc. Did Labour ever get him to apologise for misleading the House?
I don’t understand most of what is discussed in the House, that is why I don’t go very often. I do, however like a good shag with one or more young girls, at the same time, especially if they speak with a Russian accent, and I am on expenses. Boaz.
Harperson couldn’t even look at DC.
She knew he was right.
If only we could end extortion funded treatment rationing.
Still it would “only” save 100,000 people a year.
Awesome as usual
Until UKIP can find someone who doesn’t look and sound like the Chairman of a Channel Island golf club to be their leader they will never take off.
So, you reckon that they need someone with all the charm and charisma of Ed Milliband?
No just someone who does not look and sound like he’d sell you an endowment mortgage. Ed Millibean just looks like some clueless intern.
All pretty sad really, that the nation of Drake, Clive, Pitt and Churchil (the leader not the insurance company) have come to this. Fag End Cameron and Osborne touting the last bits of the nations wealth to their chums and cronies
So Camoron and Ed are Brilliant public speakers are they?
4. Will there be employment opportunities for us when we are kicked out of office?
Everybody knows that if you get a contract with the NHS you’re made for life. There are so many millionaires out there thanks to the NHS.
Especially when you can change a light bulb and charge £400 for it.
Elf and safety reg’s are our best friend, long may they continue.
Thought it was common knowledge that Labour had started this privatisation, hence no screeching about it?
An invitation to a “round table” is just a tad away from being “invited into the NHS”. By this logic, if a minister asks someone from the TUC to come to a meeting discussing employment law then he’s brought the Unions into government.
“1. How will the public services benefit..”
It is already dead.
So anything is better than dead.
Workers have the chance to be unemployed whilst fighting to the end rather than just fade away.
So the subjects under discussion had no bearing then?
As I read it, this is a meeting about how to bring ‘mutuals’ (read – nasty, howwible pwivate health companies) into the NHS, and there’s no reading that could excuse Labour’s hypocritical volte face on this, as on so many other policies.
Wanker.
Where does it say NHS? Who else was at the meeting? Do you understand the concept of “round table? Do you realise that there is more than one “public service”? Are you capable of reasoned argument without bringing in personal abuse?
And why at No 10 Downing Street. Shom joke?
And was not Tessa Tickles the same who did the budget for the Olympic Games on the back of a fag packet – then a series of higher value fag packets.
Listen to BBC radio 4 Analysis programme and you would not believe this ever happened.
I’m perfectly capable of reasoned argument without personal abuse, thankyou, but I must admit to preferring arguments involving name calling and occasional anti-Scottish bigotry.
It’d be a pretty stupid party that would invite a private health company to a discussion that didn’t involve the NHS, and as for the rest – if you can’t read that then you probably won’t be able to read the bit where I call you a thick socialist cunt who should be sent to Cuba and buggered by Castro, so I don’t know why I bother.
Cackle
Paragnostic: Re your anti Scottish Bile.
It is clear that your insecurities of being Welsh have driven you to chummy up to the inglish like some frightened schoolboy fagging for the bigger boys in the playground . You show the classic signs of an insecure arselicking bully. Pick on the Scots as you will then “fit in” with the others on here and deflect from your own perceived shortcomings . Shame on you, a grown man, allegedly.
Ith a Fiathco
Well, Dave has got his riposte to any complaints from the Socialists opposite if Ed brings this up at PMs QT.
Just quote from this especially item 2.
The Tories also need to hammer home at every opportunity the difference between the principles of the NHS and the unaccountable mega-bureaucracy which has grown up to deliver them.
Fuck. Is it Thursday already?
FIST day, the day before POETS day
Every day is POETT day to me.
You must be a Public sector worker, and I claim my £5
Laughs. I think not. Do you have a job, just saying?
Not in the conventional sense
Heard on the radio today that Hinchingbrooke Hospital in Cambridge is now being run by a private firm because they were, allegedly, in debt.
Debt is not a problem.
Not for you, it isn’t. I fully expect you to have an unlimited cheque account, which we all pay for!
Yep, £40 million. It was £20 million only about 3 or 4 years ago.
There’s a whole fiasco of NHS management cockups relating to this hospital over the last 8 years since we moved to not far away from it. The archives of the Huntingdon Post are full of bad news stories. Even one of the trouble-shooter CEOs brought in from somewhere else to sort it out managed to have herself paid as a contractor through her own company or something fairly similar (can’t recall precise details). Then they went ahead with a new PFI on an extended A&E funded by some very “brave” assumptions on patient numbers, which of course din’t materialise and started racking up the debt even more.
It’s hard to think that Circle could make a worse job than the NHS have been doing for quite some time.
Still, my youngest child was born there, and no one in the family died of MRSA or anything like that, so at least they got that right!
No-one has died in that hospital of MRSA yet – or it hasn’t been reported.
Our local hospital used to be West Suffolk and the cleanliness there left a lot to be desired. Same at St. Thomas’ in London. If they can’t manage the basics, what chance have we got?
Fiathco
You forget to say: The Prime Minithter jutht doethn’t ge’ i’
The whole point of these clinical budget mergers and splits during the brown/blair regime was to bury the dodgyness of the old accounting books.
So what are you trying to say Guido. Its a good or a bad thing… Work that one out.
So you think its a good idea…but point out it was a Labour idea.
fact is … email is fake. Like so many of Guido sources.
“It‘s”.
0/10.
Is it, scans betterer
Rupert Murdo*h’s son is saying virtually the same thing………..
He’s pointing out the hypocrisy you moron.
Yes – I know!
*sigh*
What he is saying is this. That the filthy lying scum in the Labour Party are a bad thing.
How did you get this confidential correspondence?
Was it legally obtained?
You’re breaking confidentiality andputting people at risk by revealing their e-mail addresses.
Take it down immediately.
Look over there!!! Ashcroft!!! Murdoch!!!
Standard Labour troll respose it is, then.
Do you not have anything interesting to say?
Guess not.
If carlsberg did Fuckups – Milibands Labour – what a bunch of hypocritical Hunts
Hypocrisy. We’ve got it down to an art form.
Guess when Ed become leader of the opposition he took the word opposition to its full extent, even opposing his own policys.
When will I be removed from Billy’s arse?
When you are done.
The postman coments that you were partticullary ugly when i showed him this morninng
The postman was ever so grateful for you pointing him to number 74 with your hands full, Billy.
Before the NHS Britain’s health service was delivered by a mixture of private practice and charity funded institutions and the system on the whole worked. Post WW2 that has been rubbed out of history by Left wing academia. Before the 1950s there was really little medicine could do. Many forget the strides in technology made of the last 60 years. Prior to WW2 the rich even with their private health care were just as likely to die from common ailments as the poor.
There’s been some progress then. Now, the rich with their private health care are less likely to die from common ailments than the poor, with their expensive taxpayer-funded healthcare.
You have identified a great truth there. Private healthcare is much much cheaper than public run healthcare.
Yes – I believe it is, too. But getting the electorate to see this is going to be an uphill struggle.
Ask them if they would like the government to run the supermarkets after explaining that their food would cost ten times more as a result.
You’ll Never see this on aljabeebya
It’s politicised by the Mong Party, they reckon they own it and the public are hoodwinked!
As would most public services, inc education
sort out the payroll vote too
There was a Panorama programme a couple of months back which was able to prove this point – the company it used for comparison was (ta-da) Circle, and it was able to perform quite a number of procedures, in what looked like a lovely spanking new hospital, at a considerably lower price than the NHS.
its certainly got some cost control problems now as a public service , the fiddles that have gone on were not really what it was set up to do .
Is this why the BBC aren’t doing their usual tapdance of hate on the tories who signed this company up or is it that 13 years of Liebour have been whitewashed and they want the dust to settle, shame about the loser tommy watever his name is.
Maybe Dave has told them the money won’t be availble.
It worked for Labour.
No 1 for Ed Mower on PM was..wait for it…’Keeping Up with the Murdochians’! Npt content with bulling Twatson’s Mafia faux-pas up as a memorable moment, they then had the ‘ultra-convincing’ Mark Lewis, the solicitor for some of the NI victims! What a bumbling Hunt that twat appeared trying to back up Twatson and the Mafia comment. The BBC are guilty of running the Twatson witchhunt agenda with introducing the solicitor, it was a Milliband Amateur Hour! Anyone would think that the Euro is leaping ahead and all is well!! Hunts HuntsHunts HuntsHunts HuntsHunts HuntsHunts HuntsHunts HuntsHunts HuntsHunts HuntsHunts HuntsHunts HuntsHunts Hunts!
Proof if ever you needed that Ed opposes everything that the government does just for the sake of opposing. He’s even opposing his own ideas now because Dave is implementing them.
They are officially Her Majesty’s Opposition.
Opposing yourself, your own ideas and policy decisions, isn’t how opposition is supposed to work. But let’s be fair on Ed, he ain’t bright enough to work that out.
“While it is true, strictly speaking, Minister, that Mr. Miliband has contradicted himself, a most conspicuous and pertinent question is being begged by such an observation. You are assuming, without evidence, that Mr. Miliband ever has, ever will, and does now know WTF he’s talking about on any subject.”
Fuck me Guido, you sound like Iain Dale on Radio Ulster right now…
Labour introduced Privatisation into the NHS is much better than Tory introduced Privatisation into the NHS, so on that basis it is shocking the Tories have done this. You can’t trust the Tories with the Circle line
I can’t really see Liebour kicking off on this, they more or less privatised home nursing , I know there is at least 3 private companies in my area doing the home nursing on behalf of the local NHS, if it works then I can’t see what the problem would be, after all they privatised most of the local councils works during Liebour’s reign.
Don’t you people ever get bored with yourselves?
Evening TwAT.
Yes.
How can we get bored when we watch the never ending comedy / tragedy that is the dying remains of the last labour government ducking and diving?
First there is tessa ‘jowells’ mills and hubby david , those bosom pals of the real mafia berlusconni raising their heads again in the press today. Remind me again how many £100k’s did they get out of him for not testifying against him? (And let’s not forget they were part of berlusconni’s British tuscany politico set with the bliars and the polly twaddles)
Then there is twatson gleefully going round, like a schoolboy with a secret stash of vod ka , calling people names like mafia? And then saying he doesn’t think it’s inappropriate, because he lacks the intelligence to understand that what he has just done is to shame parliament and bring the uk into disrepute. Never mind, no doubt he’s blithely gone back to his online teenage games tonight.
Then there’s militwit and burnham , having already held round the table discussions with Circle about how it might take over the running of services in places like, the failed and facing imminent closure, Hinchingbrook, scuttling off into a hidey hole to avoid any questions.
How can we be bored?!!
Sorry I asked
I’m sorry you bother to turn up here every day to get your arse kicked, but hey ho, some never learn.
I’m bored with Billy, he does 98.7% of the postings.
…and the other three contribute 1.3%?
Well they sound like the union membership that turn out to vote for strikes don’t they?!
Figures.
Nobody is asking how come – hinchinbrooke are £40million in debt and yet patient care has remained an issue.
What have they done with the money ? Paid it out in high salaries and bonuses to admin managers who have done nothing for patients?
Bad management is rife in our hospitals. Contracts may be given to those who know people at the top, and those firms are not necessarily the right people to do the work.
Hence £400 to change a light bulb.
The other bugbear I have is the nursing staff. We spend thousands training them but pay them a pittance when they qualify. No small wonder they bugger off abroad, is it.
There are two things that really concern me about the management of modern hospitals in these times when we are learning that patients are being shockingly neglected and dying for want of care.
One is the huge rise in the employment of hospital managers, under labour, at salaries of £40k pa plus , plus expenses and pensions , with no responsibilities for improving patient care. Their only concerns are expensive meeting rooms, time consuming worthless meetings, company cars, office targets and shifting such things as paper clips.
The second is the drive to make sure that all nurses are degree qualified managers , again with no responsibility for patient care .
Nobody in hospital, anymore, cares about the patient. They are an inconvenience that most staff see as detracting from the time they need to spend on their careers, their rise up the greasy pole out of the wards and towards that sunny upland , the conference room.
Florence Nightingale must be weeping in her grave!!
Almost inevitable consequence of 1997 election and the drive to all appear ‘middle class’ I’m afraid nell, from what I understand there is no problem with the standard of care in this particular hospital, just the management.
Tony Blair vastly inflated peoples expectations of their worth and value just by being elected PM, let alone his continuing financial success, albeit soon to be short-lived.
theres a vast army of technocrats elbowing eachother ,in a subject which in my mind has needed some caring people and cost control
Hinchinbrooke stores piled high with laptops.
There are probably about a dozen unused Oracle licenses and a non-running Exchange server or three if it’s a typical NHS IT cupboard…
Don’t expect the BBC to report this.
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oh Oh oh Papadamus
(name that tune)
As one ex european banker becomes Greek Pm , another waits in the wings for Italy ,Mrs Merkel calls and emergency EU meeting and we all get prepped for 2 teir europe .
Circles in the sand ! circle has taken on a £50mn defecit , which isnt soo easy in NHS terms , it is interesting that necessity has forced this situation and theoretically I like the idea of UK coperatives much better , from a long term perspective ,than what some in the que are offering as glittering quick deficet resolutions . Of course some of the scare stories about a privatised NHS are untrue , but none the less I still feel , some of the initial total free market approaches have been wrong in that clinical matters got costed wrong too high, there will be a lot to observe in this trial , l hope it shows “better” and shows up some new potential effciencies .
Typical of the arrogance of politcians that they can expect the CEO of a large organisation to re-arrange his diary at a week’s notice to accomodate them. Can’t imagine it working the other way round (unless the CEO was called Murdoch of course)
I trust that last lot so little that I can state with almost certain confidence that, whatever else more importantly was done wrongly here, the table certainly wasn’t even round…
You talk almost as much shit as Billy
Hello sockpuppet.
Sorry Cat, Tat the insane has obviously been let out on day release.
woof woof
You don’t have to apologise AC1. That turd substitute is the one who has disgraced everyone, including his parents. I have just returned from a nice meal and was completely unaware of his posting until now. That he hates me only brings me a frisson of pleasure that I must get to him so badly.
Yоυ dоn’t hаvе tо аpоlоgіsе АC1. Thаt tυrd sυbstіtυtе іs thе оnе whо hаs dіsgrаcеd еvеryоnе, іnclυdіng hіs pаrеnts. І hаvе jυst rеtυrnеd frоm а nіcе mеаl аnd wаs cоmplеtеly υnаwаrе оf hіs pоstіng υntіl nоw. Thаt hе hаtеs mе оnly brіngs mе а frіssоn оf plеаsυrе thаt І mυst gеt tо hіm sо bаdly.
I think watson must have been playing Grand theft auto too much , mafia ? so how do you describe a party , that swindles people out half there national gold reserves , rafia ?
That was the Jockuza.
To be, or not to be, what was the question?
twat
twat what?
beware of fakes and sockpuppets – real readers knows the real Billy
Why are so many people shocked by me? I thought it’s traditional to wear a ploppy.
I admire your indefatigability
Only catching up now with today’s events. I think Murdoch handled Fatson with grace and civility. When Twatson made his clearly rehearsed punchline about the mafia, you could’ve forgiven Murdoch for becoming furious but he reacted calmly. ITV News’s Tom Bradby just said Watson made himself look ridiculous.
I hope that the US authorities will be as gentle with me as the British politicians have been. Now, where is that US dossier?
If i get in first in the next thread, it will be number 500 for me
500 cocks?
By gum!
Lucky you
eh oop
Fuck off fake – I have been first more than 500 times
Appen you need some delay spray Billy old lad
Young men, long tumbling curls over a tanned arched and well muscled back
Just what you and I love
But hold back, long and slow is just the ticket lad
Cheats never prosper Billy.
Labour = sleaze……
no change there then !!
Tonight’s Question Time panel is fucking boring. Scottish Secretary Michael Moore, Labour’s Rachel Reeves, Professor Colin Blakemore, journalist Stephen Pollard, and tonight’s star turn: Nadine Dorries.
I might tune in just to see if the beeb have allowed a question on the hospital takeover by a private group. They probably won’t as it would enable a panellist to mention it was Labour’s Andy Burnt Ham who started it.
I’ll watch it, I suppose. It’s like a nasty habit you can’t quite kick.
Didn’t Michael Moore do “Bowling for Dunblane”, and “Fahrenheit Lockerbie”?
I prefer the bloke who eats himself to death on McDonalds – Tom Watsomething, I think.
Will Self?
Morgan Spurlock?
Yeah, I know – got the DVD and everything.
But it was more fun to abuse Twatson…
Watson is on the great taxpayer-funded expense account. It’ll be roast pheasant, caviar and chips, foie gras pies and mugs of vintage champagne for our Tom. Nothing is too good for the workers.
“bloke who eats himself to death on McDonalds”
John presscott?
If only everyone who went to McDonald’s ate themselves to death there.
Is it from The Fat Ashley Stadium?
I see someone is having a episode on this thread.
No doubt i will get the blame as normal , eh Guido?
Billy has never really recovered from the week that he had 3 new arseholes torn, and then Guido told him that it was quality of comments and not quantity of comments that was important.
Now he just ignores this sort of comment rather than losing his cool – remember when he demanded that anybody commenting should have to register first – LMFAO.
It seems that regular commentators here actually think that they are friends and colleagues. LMFAO again.
If your post had any facts in it, i might answer them, but as its you standard b/s, i will as i said other day just ignore.
eh? answer facts? Why?
That’s why I love this site: Shit quality; shit quantity; muppets everywhere but I do actually learn something.
I used to visit The T e l e g r a p h site but then realised it was actually shrinking my brain.
Keep up the *work*.
The comments here are quite fun, but the ones on the Mailygraph site are drivel. However, if you block various scripts (java?) you don’t get to see any of the “comments powered by disqus” comments on the Mailygraph, which makes it much better.. you only have to endure the rubbish journalism.
My brain is shrinking – it’s turning into a black hole.
Sorry Gordon. Your brain was always a black hole.
You should never have believed your spads and bullyballs that said you were THE greatest economist the world had ever seen.
They only said it because they knew their flattery would get you to promote thema and so make them loadsamoney (paid for by the taxpayer of course)!!!
Are we going to have a christmas party this year?
And will there be trifles and silly hats? (asks Gordon).
its probably a fake
A fake trifle?, I just don’t know what the worlds coming to.
I made a faKe trifle out of mY poo.
There’s room for both of you in here.
Hi Billy
Oh hello sockpuppet.
Are you moaning that your “institution” won’t be having an xmas party? Never mind, they’ll let you roam society unnatended some year soon.
who the fuck are you
ac1
tut tut. this is the real 66.6% elastane sock here.
I don’t usually get copied.
I’m sure you know AC1, that I wouldnt be rude to you like that.
I’m sure you’d be rude to me in a much more intelligent way.
Gathering dust in a suitcase.
Even if it’s just to get herself some good publicity after the border fiasco this week, I’m glad May has finally banned that despicable muzee group. I hope they still try and protest tomorrow so that the police can arrest the fuckers. That is, if they don’t have to first consult with a muzee outreach officer before making arrests.
Nah, shes wrong, If the looney left can protest then so can muslims against crusades (as long in a non violent way) the freedom to protest also means for people you disagree with.
I hope she does a u-turn, then i might go a find one of thier protests and burn a Koran.
“(as long in a non violent way)”
What if the protest is non-violent, but held with the aim of causing a violent reaction?
Whether you’re burning a Koran or a poppy, the intention is to make the other side strike-out at you. You can then ‘resort’ to the violence you couldn’t use initially, because you can ‘justify’ it as self-defence.
The main point of a protest is to show the fact we have the freedom, it also means the freedom to offend.
in a free country (I know) we should be free to offend/protest and spe@k.
The main point of a protest is not to show that we have freedom, it’s to make a protest. BUT, if your main point is not to protest, but to start a fight against a group so you can kick the crap out of them, you can use your peaceful protest to goad your enemy into striking first. Then you’re completely innocent when you kick the shit out of your opponent, because “they started it.”
qv Nazi Germany vs Poland, Imperial Japan vs China.
(actually, I’m wrong on the Germany vs Poland and Japan vs China examples; both Germany and Japan faked the initial attacks against their people, which they then used to justify retaliation, but the logic is still more or less correct.)
No, I support the right to peceful protest, violence is a no-no. However you should not be banned from protesting because other people may not like it or take offence.
Agreed completely, Billy. But we aren’t in a free country.
I couldn’t give two hoots if a bunch of muzzie inbreds want to burn a poppy to prove a point (and nor could any of my mates in the army). The only point they’ll publically prove is what scum they are. More power to their elbow, I say.
But the second I want to publically protest against the infiltration of Islam in this country, I’ll be arrested for a hate crime.
^^ *THIS* is what really pisses me off.
@West Mids
That is my point, They are free to burn poppies (as long as they pay for them) as long as i am allowed to burn a Koran.
>Going to find good utube clip
@TT @West Mids
Watch this:
OK, Billy. Let’s say I want to start a religious war. Me and my 500 EDL friends have a march, and each of us burn a Koran. We know full well what the reaction will be.
We’ve done nothing violent. The muzzies, after all, are free to burn poppies (as they do). But the (intended) result IS violent. People die. But my 500 EDL friends and I are blameless, because our protest was peaceful.
Of course, the protests where poppies are burned are intended to cause a violent backlash too, and this is where the police should act – but, of course, as Infuriated correctly points out, the police are politically correct and one-sided.
I can’t watch the video, Billy; to avoid all the adverts, I’ve blocked all scripts from this site, and I’m not unblocking them.
the fact should be, that the EDL tolorate with the burning poppies and the muslims tolorate the Koran burning, that is freedom to express and the freedom speech/protest.
@TT
Ok, it just lays basic freedom of speech, with a man burning a copy of the Koran and a copy of the bible, its quite good and in a non violent way.
I agree Billy. But my point is, a ‘peaceful’ protest that has, at its core, the aim of provoking a violent backlash, is NOT a peaceful protest.
@TT
What about if a christon church group protested against homosexuality (Pecefully), does that mean i have the right to kick the crap out of them? I dont believe it does.
“I despise what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it”
No, because the Christian church group are just being a bunch of dicks.
But if they were to peacefully march into a gay nightclub in Brighton, shouting (peacefully) “you’re all going to burn in hell”, I’d say they were trying to start something.
As soon as you censor free speech it is no longer free, Its messy and can be unpleasent (see some of the stuff i get on here plus stuff on twitter), but its better than the state deciding who should protest and message they can protest about.
The violence is down to the individal, not the protest, as for your sence of christans going into a gay club in Brighton, they would shit themselves
A man who hangs around outside a primary school, telling the kids that he’s got a nice bag of sweets and some puppies at home, is not being violent – are you saying you’d fight to the death to protect his right to say that?
And if I told you – now – that I’m going to go into a Mosque tomorrow (I’m going to go in there wearing only bikini bottoms) and I’m going to protest about their religion by telling them all they’re “paedo-worshipping scum”, would you back me up on that? Can I rely on you to defend (to the death, your death) my right to say that?
No, because I’d be inciting the inevitable violence and I’d deserve what I got.
Example 1 (Man with sweets is wrong on all levels).
Example 2 Yes i would defend your right (as long as you didnt break indecently laws), Because your protest was factully sound, Mohammed abused a child and his followers worship him.
“they would shit themselves”
Easier access for you, then, eh?
I’m with TT on this one – as I see it, poppy burning (or Koran burning) is an incitement to a breach of the peace – if it wasn’t, then there would be no need for all those coppers to protect MAC every time they have a demo.
Still, at least they’re banned until they find a new name and interweb domain. Personally, I’d like to see them allowed to protest but for the police to stay away until after they get the hiding they are asking for, but we couldn’t have that, could we?
my Point is self regulation not state regulation.
@Paragnostic.
They do, indeed, deserve a good hiding. But I think that’s what they’re after.
As you say, they’ll just get another domain name and re-form. The police ‘service’ are just too terrified to take decisive action against certain ‘communities’. Look at the pissing around for 10 years before the Dale Farm non-travelling travellers got moved-on. The police need to be consistent. Doesn’t that bint on top of the Old Bailey wear a blindfold for a reason?
@ Billy – there’s nothing indecent about me in a bikini. Except, perhaps, topless. In this weather.
@TT
well bowled
I dont advocate violence, i have had a kick in a few times just for living as others disagree with.
Protest quietly, and carry a big cricket bat.
Muslims Against Crusades disbanded.
Run out of lighter fuel?
Since The Crusades were a response to invading p43do prophet followers they don’t even know they’re own history.
But then thanks to the education establishment and the media, nor will most people.
FFS they’ll just popup somewhere with a new website. It might help if we stopped Anjem Choudary’s benefits.
Wot about his human rights ???
If I was Murdoch, I’d sue Watson for libel. He compared him to a mafia boss, effectively comparing him to a murderer. For all the failings and crimes of NI, the fat c unt is equating phone hacking with organised murder and racketeering.
I don’t suppose The Murdoch’s would fancy sailing that close to the wind.
Shakedown of business is inherently aligned with Marxist thought.
Leave the phone hacking bit out and you are left with a subject that’s very close to his heart.
That is Watsons…in case of any misunderstandings.
He didnt just compare him to a Mafia Boss he actually called him a Mafia Boss. This is clearly criminal libel. Murdoch could sue and all the phone hacking stuff cannot be led in evidence since it is irrelevant. Watson could be in a whole lot of trouble.
That would make me really laugh!
Except he won’t be in a whole lot of trouble. Covered by parliamentary privilege, and he knows it full well. See if he repeats the claim in a BBC studio.
Im not sure he is covered by Parliamentary Privillege in these circumstances .
I thought it was only in the main chamber where they were covered by ‘parliamentary privilege’.
But the obvious thing to do is for some Tory MP to accuse Tom Watson of being a member of the mafia. Which would be a lot closer to the truth than Murdoch being a mobster.
We have all seen and read the threats of violent protest since Labour got slung out on their arses. The entire Labour party is one big protection racket.
Give us more stuff or we’ll smash all your windows.
In terms of criminality even the mafia are bedwetters compared to a leftwing state. Watson wants heavily enforced censorship. Someone shoot him.
I hathe you all. I will forcthe you all to particthipate in Tag wresthling with the big growler Watsthon. When he hasth stopped sthulking.
Spit it out man, “sthulking”, does that mean sulking, skulking or stalking?.
Probably all three. At the same time.
Question for Tessa Jowell
Dear Tessa, your husband is a convicted criminal yet you claim he is innocent. That being the case, why did you leave him ?
I want to know what they found for her to do at the Bunga Bunga parties
Soapy tit wanks.
Or maybe a large target for bukkake practice.
Thanx Bill.
Very appropriate song for the evening before Remembrance Day.
“Is this the world we created?”
I bet our ancestors from WW1 and WW2, who sacrificed everything for us, their descendents, including in many cases their lives, would really like to ask that question now as the EU turns its steamroller towards us!!
From the above memo, “…to discuss the future role of co-operatives and mutuals in delivering public services.”
If you have your heart by-pass op done in a hospital run by the Co-op, do you get a divvy?
Funny you should mention Co-ops, i wonder how they will instructe there MPs on min cost for booze?
They can instruct their MPs any way they like; Labour MPs are powerless now (although Milimong doesn’t seem to know this, as he thinks he can order the EU governments to hold meetings this weekend).
Co-op is far too dear for booze – Asda or Tescos are best.
OK…Listen to this…..
So the Government initiative to supply every home with digital TV is a good one. After all, England lies WAY behind our European neighbours on technology. But It emerges that Housing Associations (one of which I’m a Resident Inspector for) are passing on the costs to the tenants. Here in the S.E. 90 – 95% neither want nor NEED this modernisation, as they already have cab…le, satellite or freeview. The only reason for the ‘upgrade’ is to increase the valuw of the housing stock..This I believe should be a cost borne out by the Associations or the Government.
In my own case this is £283 for a service I don’t need.
As, in my HA case, 65% of local residents are in receipt of full or partial housing benefit, this represents a cost of £2.6m to taxpayers. My council alone…Nationally it runs into £bns.
It’s a ‘done deal’ as it’s a directive handed down by Grant Shapps and Jeremy Hunt through the two Ministries involved.
Here’s the rub…..The only two designated companies authorised to carry out the works are…….You guessed it…Tory Party Donors……
I’ve asked both Jeremy and Grant to reply urgently to my questions……I’ll let you know their replies!!!
You avin a larf Billy , aren’t you?,you are?.
Pray explain in detail what works are being done, William.
Where I live, off-air digital reception is to TV what Gordon Brown was to the office of Prime Minister.
Are you suggesting that the work should be given to the BBC, or a trades union?
I’d imagine that most sensible companies involved in large scale contracting of this sort would contribute to both parties, so maybe you could investigate and see if they are also donors to the Labour lot.
He’s suggesting the work shouldn’t be done at all unless the individuals request it.
I think he’s right.
It’s just more of the same positioning and cronyism. Folk getting ‘close’ to ministers and MPs so they know what the fuckers are cooking up or influencing them to cook up various schemes that, surprise, they are uniquely qualified to consult on or introduce or be ‘preferred suppliers’.
That’s what all those c*unts being appointed Quango heads by Labour was all about. As others have said – the NHS has generated more millionaires than the national lottery over the past 13 years. Fuckers supplying badly specced computer systems, over-pri*ced this, over-pri*ced that, totally unnecessary the other. Fucking hospital managers on quarter of a million quid a pop.
And local councils are no better. Private Eye has a whole page of the crooked fuckers on the take every single week and the same scandals rumble on for years with no fucker spending a minute in jail. Worse – continually re-elected by their brain-dead local voters.
And how do they choose to save money? Close a library that costs fuck all to keep open compared with the crooked contracts, planning applications and all the rest of the gangster deals they get up to.
Guido !
Seriously O/T BUT
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8846201/Debt-crisis-live.html
Almost 50 % say know one is in charge of crisis. Funny DT have removed the poll!!!
As is we care. Buwahahahahaha !
You know I’m really disillusioned at the moment with the coalition. The libdems have turned out to be total trash.
But militwit’s front bench are even worse.
Then we have this EU comedy with the german hausfrau threatening us with war if we don’t do what she wants, the poison dwarf of vichy france sucking up to her, mussoliniberlusconni finally falling on his sword, well not quite but shortly so he promises……..
And our lot are doing what??……
The term Lions led by Donkeys has never had a more relevant meaning than it does at the moment!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lions_led_by_donkeys
It’s a dumbed down world.
Don’t believe that!
the political elite will keep pushing and troughing but there will come a point at which The people will say No More!
the ‘elite’ won’t believe that’s going to happen . The likes of merkel and sarkozy believe they will become as rich as bliar and get away with their lies.
Well they might but they will be the last to do it.
woof woof woof wooooooof
So is Billy Bowden really Ewanme in disguise?
Probably. How is the poppy-arse coming along, E?
Uncanny! How do you do that? All was going well until my gimp froze. I am runing Vista, though.
Vista’s a pile of doo-doo. I hope your gimp recovers. What are you watching at this moment in time?
Band Of Gypsys through my ear-goggles. Please refrain from stalking me.
Here it is:
Talking of the UK berlusconni tuscany set of the polly twaddles, bliars and tessa jowells mills and hubby david….
Anybody know what the mills’ did with that £600k that berlusconni bribed them with to not testify against him and where david , the tessa hubby is now?
Superb interview just now by Louise Mensch on BBC News Channel. It seems that Murdoch junior may have been telling the truth …
Saw bits of hearing, Young Murdoch was impressive again.
He was incredibly impressive in my view, whatever one’s take on the whole “phone hacking” thing. I certainly couldn’t stay calm with Tom Watson accusing me of anything. Even breathing. I’d have to slap him.
I’d love to slap hiim anyway. Perhaps I could get sponsored for Children in Need or summat…
For me he is nailed on Ruperts sucsesser.
Tho i did get called a “wierdo” today for a twitter comment (chuckled to myself tho
)
He seems a lot brighter than all the Mps on the committe and quick on his feet.
Brighter than all the MPs on the committee? I don’t doubt it. The dark, unlit cupboard under my stairs is brighter than all the MPs in Parliament.
If one considers a completely amoral ability to endlessly dissemble impressive, then yes, he was impressive. Other than that it wasn’t much different than someone having a panel job interview.
a completely amoral ability to endlessly dissemble
But enough about Tom Watson – what did you think of Murdoch?
Murdoch came across as being like a sociopathic version of the milky bar kid with an impressive capacity for bullshitting around.
Anyway, we will see how Rupey and James manage with the “Enron defence” in America.
I too thought he handled himself well.
I liked the way he appealed to the chair for help or a retraction when slandered by Bully Watson. I’m guessing the ‘chair’ for this show-trail is a Labour MP because he got fuck-all help for what is supposedly an ‘investigation’.
I too thought he handled himself well.
I liked the way he app*ealed to the chair for help or a retraction when slandered by Bully Watson. I’m guessing the ‘chair’ for this show-trail is a Labour MP because he got fuck-all help for what is supposedly an ‘investigation’.
BBC will suddenly turn to “Tumbleweed live” if they look in The Mirror.
Labour scum. The BBC’s version of the committee meeting is so different from what I watched. I wonder why?
My how the BBC hate the true facts. The BBC are left wing scumbags.
Because:
Ditch the TV. I did, it’s brilliant.
Or at least, stop paying that soviet-era anachronism, the TV license.
Indeed, stop paying them but please do sign this too
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/264
Teehee !!
If u got the balls (which u ain’t) , stop payin the government , FFS !!
Lightweights
E x .
Evening, sir. I may have to proceed to arrest you for that comment, madam.
By the by: How are the poppy tattoos coming along, missy? Over.
Haven’t turned mine on for a fortnight, and that was only to see the Red Scum getting thrashed on MOTD.
I suppose I’ll watch the Grand Prix though – unfortunately the sight of overpaid schoolboys driving go-karts very fast in circles still appeals…
You forgot driving VERY loudly too. went to some formula 200 street race thing they did around Birmingham 20 or so years ago. Never again. Fuck the speed – the only sensation I got was NOISE.
Formula 3000.
Yeah – took my stepson (who’s autistic) to see a McLaren at Brooklands a few years back. Autistics and noise don’t mix – you’ve never seen a 100m wheelchair push done so fast in your life as when they fired the bugger up.
And that was with earplugs and ear defenders – still, he thought it was funny afterwards.
But motorsports and aspergers goes hand in hand. As anyone who works with IT people will tell you.
Watsisname is a complete and utter abject liebor assh-l- pick any bandwaggon and climb aboard.
Maffia was childish and completely beyond the pale,just demonstrates the mentallity to me.
IMHO this pr–k should be required to apologise,but don’t hold your breath folks.
Considering that Rupert Murdoch was today made to apologise for a headline and story that The Sun ran when he was 16 years old, I can only agree with you.
James? unless Rupert has aged a lot over 20 years
D’oh!
@TT @The Para @West Mids
Time for me to go home (yay), have a good one all tonight
Ps wish anon and co would relise you can debate and disagree and be civil.
Laters Guido and hardworking mods (oxymoron in there somewhere)
Wotever , hun .
Kiss kiss .
E x .
It’s all about meeee! Pay attention to me! I’m a star! I’m a household name! I rehearsed my mafia line for hours in front of the mirror! I was so cool today!
Yeah, thanks Tom, thanks for reminding those of us who hate Cameron’s guts that there are even worse things than having David Cameron as Prime Minister.
We could be lumbered with fuckers like you. And Chuka. And Miliband (the wrong Miliband).
And Balls. And Cooper. And Harman. And..
You want to win? Shut the fuck up for the next 3 and a half years.
It won’t be long enough Tess.
I’ll never forget that he was gordon’s bullybagman, maxing off his expenses and enjoying his luxiuy office pad in no 10 alongside mcbride, thuggywhelan, dolly and bullyballs, prepared to stab anyone in the back for his empty headed hero.
Those images are burned in my brain I will never forget them!
He’s playing the chuckling scamp on LBC right now. He’s about to do the paper review and it’ll be hard for him to avoid luxuriating in the fact that he’s front page news.
Narcissism sits so ill with a face like his..
Silly silly boy. Trouble is you did not rehearse your performance in front of a friend or a mirror.
You spent your time last night playing teenage games online and it showed.
Worse – you’ve shamed parliament with your behaviour and made UK lawmakers, who were being watched around the world this morning as you spoke, into a comedy!!
You need to apologise for your crass behaviour to the UK, the HoC and to murdoch jr!!
Strange how things work out in the end, Berlin wall comes down, even the Chinese start to realise that commerce depends upon a free market and then Red Ed comes along in the U.K with his dachas for the politically correct.
This week David Dimbleby is joined in Newcastle upon Tyne by by the usual rabble of left-wing agitators, public workers, union pilgrims, pinkos and various peoples from the third world all bussed in from across the country.
Our panel tonight is:-
Michael Moore,
Rachel Reeves,
Nadine Dorries,
Professor Colin Blakemore and Stephen Pollard.
A tenner says with Europe collapsing around us and the world staring in to the abyss of a great depression they’ll be answering questions on phone hacking, NOTW and the Murdoch’s.
Anyone what to give me some odds on that?
Boring! I’m going to give it a miss and I doubt my life will change in any way.
Wow, strictly come dancing to the BBC tune, with a panel of (and not forgetting the buss ‘ed in audience ) people with the collective I.Q of an amoeba.
Absolutely staggering hypocrisy by Labour’s Rachel Reeves within the first minute on Question Time! She says this case of a private company taking over a hospital is ok and exceptional but shouldn’t happen again in future. In other words, Andy was right to start it but if the Tories do it in future it’s wrong.
Hypocrisy and mendacity – it’s in Liebour’s D-N-A.
Reeves an hypocrite with a grating voice, last class liebour MP!!
She reminds me of that Jacqui Smith…is it her in a long dyed wig?
..and she is thick as fucking pigshit
Dumbleby doing a fabulous job of interrupting the coalition panelists Nads and Moore and preventing them from finishing a sentence, but giving Labour’s Rachel Reeves free reign. What a shock.
Petition site for BBC needed, public servants after all, he needs retiring, and his brother(radio version)
Some pipsqueak upstart in Question Time audience saying it’s wrong to ban a group just because we disagree with them. Get to fuck, dickhead.
If you thought Dumbleby’s been bad in the past, it was nothing compared to tonight. He’s been incessantly interrupting and badgering the two coalition panelists and not uttered a single word to Reeves. And why does Reeves talk in that weird way? She speaks in a strangely slow way as though she’s learning disabled.
Has much anger this leftie Question Time audience. Slap them I’d like to.
Rachel Reeves is correct. Only Labour can conjure up money from the Money Trees I planted in the Rose Garden at 10 Downing Street.
Stephen Pollard speaks the truth about needing sucessfull companies to support government spending. Wonder if the BBC will edit those comments out
If you think Question Time has been biased in the past, it was nothing compared to tonight’s. This was without doubt the most leftie audience ever and Dumbleby’s most shamefully biased performance as host. Thank fuck for Stephen Pollard of the J*wish Chronicle who took Labour and Tom Twatson to task.
David Dimblebore to Rachel Reeves, ‘I don’t understand Labour economic policy’.
Nor do I.
Huhne has to fucking go.
If there is any justice that lying gobshite should be charged.
and boy does he go.
Thank fuck for Brillo’s show. I need an antidote to the leftie lovefest that was Question Crime.
Which one of Sky’s thousand channels is that on?
Yep. Brillo just said Twatter.
Great! He’s re-discovering the child in him. Tell me if anything else happens.
I heard that too. I must admit I was disgusted
not really a swear word though is it ? in the dictionary sense .
in the dicktionary sense.
You are a naughty boy. What are you doing up this late? Off to bed with you.
All quiet so far on eastern markets ! just pausing to see if emergency EU meeting is making right noises ?
Rachel Reeves response to Circle was pretty good “special circumstances”, mmmm so key service quality issues and £40mn debt financial mis mangement are in Labour speak “special circumstances” ??? so why did they run it as national policy from 2004 ?? . Should give Lansley years of repeat dispatch box exchanges , what totally amazed me was how many people did think NHS was not functioning well .
EU not signed off accounts for 17th year , wonder what the bookies odds were on them actually being signed off by auditor …………..
Griffins soup vigil , going so well MAC has been raided by police , evenin all !
Police have siezed 1000 copies of the monthly publication the Grand muffti and are examining them closely to see if any poppies appears burnt.
O/T
Hilarious watching the spluttering vulgarian Prescott trying
to keep the volume down in the Lords debate on transparency
yesterday. Fellow members taking cover from being drenched
with gob and bile.
“Herr Cameron, es sei denn Sie akzeptieren bedingungslose Änderungen zum Vertrag von Lissabon die Teilung stattfinden wird, so dass Großbritannien isoliert und in der Abstimmung Minderheit innerhalb der I ”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8882643/France-plots-eurozone-breakaway-group.html
I see that Jonah has been busy.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8882828/France-will-be-the-next-to-crumble-warns-Gordon-Brown.html
So, the scotish monster continues his traitorous activities even now.
Dave doesn’t mind if we’re getting shafted
That EU Treaty is so well crafted!
It may look a mucky bucket of slops
But to Dave it’ll always be the tops
NO REFERENDUM’s Dave’s rallying cry
It ain’t cast iron. It’s pie in the sky
Has nobody realised that all this bail out shite is just bailing out German and french banks ?
French banks are into Italy for over £260 billion and German banks for over £100 billion If the EU dont put this money in the whole German and French banking sector could crash , that is why Shortarsey and Murky are desperate to throw eveybodies money at it , because it is their economies that will got tits up with Italy Greece and the others
This master plan to increase funding for the IMF to 2 trillion is so they can bail out their own banking sector Which has through their greed , caused the problem in the first place !
Just seen the footage of that cat being swung in Ramsgate.
I think thats truly disgusting!
Imagine living in Ramsgate.
Our useless PM “Call Me Dave”
To the EU Britain’s money he gave
As our deficit grew more of our money he blew
But the Euro could still not be saved