Labour Donor Paying For Amendments
This morning Guido blew open the extent of the GMB union’s influence over legislation, and how they achieve it with a financial gun to the Labour Party’s head. Not a word out of any of them yet, but it gets worse. The leaked Shadow Justice minutes show how Labour, at the behest of the unions, will vote on various amendments, but who first tabled these moves? A GMB sponsored Labour MP of course…
Not only has Kate Green taken £6,550 off the GMB, the union even notched up another £5,000 as a donation-in-kind, in the shape of tele-canvassing. Trade union liaison officers have the kind of unfettered access to Labour MPs of which other lobbyists for other vested interests can only dream. MPs shower parliamentary passes on what are effectively lobbyists for the big unions. The GMB have 80 MPs in their pocket and their political officer Iain McNicol just happens to be the General Secretary of the Labour Party. The GMB’s 610,000 members represent less a sliver of the country, yet laws are being bought and sold in their name. This tyranny of the minority stinks, and remember that next time Ed mentions the 1%…
Lampost time!
WOW ! You beat me fair and square this time.
All lobbyists and pressure groups pay to amend legislation, either directly or in-directly. Why else do they exist?
It might not be as clumsy as this, but it’s the same?
I’d make this up:
Badness of lobbying index = (amount of money squared) / (number of people in control of lobbying)
The more people that are actually in accord with the lobbying, the more democratic their actions are.
Conservatives govern this country for the benefit top 1%, Labour for 20%, so its better than conservatives. But 80% hasn’t got a say.
Evidence?
Just go and ask any one English you “engish” clown. How many immigrants your country let in?
There you go again, you are asked a civil question to back up your claim and you resort to mock typos.
You really are a angry person, i suggest you seek help.
I will now no longer respond to any of the “Claims” you make.
Labour for 20%? I take it that 20% is taken from the scrapping the 10% tax band & doubling it to 20% hitting low paid workers hardest?
Glad to know that there are 101% of us.
Chortle!
Due to postal voting.
Labour (Blair and Brown) were looking after the top 1% as well.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.
The greatest trick Labour ever pulled was convincing the world that they represent the working man.
“When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators.”
P.J. O’Rourke
As a last wish could I have a hangman who can spell?
Could we find a trade union to pay for a proofreader at Guido HQ?
I gave up pointin out the mistakes yonks ago , darlin .
Comprehensive kidz playin at bein grown-ups , I spose x .
E x .
It was a good lunch, first draft of history is always poorly subbed.
Oh you mean like the Zinoviev letter.
Proofreader : someone who checks the labels on bottles on spirits.
Ps Hugh Robertson just been on SSN, very impressive over Poppy gate, former solder as well!
who is more corupt, FiFA, the EU , or our Parliamnet?
The U.N.
Ed doesn’t claim to represent the 1% – He claims to support the OccupyLSX who claim to represent the 99%.
The 1% are the filthy rich, Ed certainly does not represent them now does he Mr F?
A charitable reading would be that, though Comrade Ed excoriates the Tories for catering to a tail which wags the dog, he’s got his own version.
He might not make such claims, but Mr Blair was often nice to folks in the 1%.
Once working class types got the vote, this was bound to happen.
Yet again you prove your ignorance – plenty of working class people vote Tory.
Not up north they don’t
Yes but working class tories leave lawmaking to their betters, only the lefty ones expect to be consulted. This is what Guido is complaining about.
so how did the consultation go over any of the wars ? bank bail outs and deregulation to make piles of cash ? selling millions of Tibetans for nothing ? the 4300 new laws? the 1800 new ways to go to prison ? the databases? the thousands of non job council sneaks? the 4.8Trillion + debt ?
Cause if you were consulted then that makes you complicit in all of it !
Did I ever mention the longest period of sustained growth since the war?
Phooking mental Eurotwats
http://www.simplynetworking.es/news-9171-31-the_bureauprat_of_the_month_award_goes_to_the_traffic_department_for_fining_a_film.html
Isn’t that what the talli ban do, say what people can look at and what they can’t?
Cash for questions.
It ain’t good. We’ll see if Miliband takes a stand or tries to hush this one up.
He’ll be looking for a bandwagon to divert attention . Oh wait a minute there’s a student demo in London tomorrow perhaps he could jump on that.
Maybe the students donate money to Labour MPs and they’ll start asking “appropriate” questions?
But the sound came over on the police car radio
Down at Precinct 49
Having a tear-gas of a time
Sergeant Baker got a call from the governor of the county jail
Well it’s wrong that parties should be bought and sold like this but what’s the alternative?
I hate to say it but it leaves cleggies suggestion that we taxpayers should fund them. At his last stab at a possible figure he came up with something that equalled £3 for each vote we cast.
Trouble is with rocketing food costs, energy bills through the roof and still rising, putting petrol in the car fast approaching the equivalent of taking out a mortgage, I’m not sure we can afford any more on our household bills – at least not if we want to keep eating!
I’m not sure I want to pay for glossy manifesto’s; full page ads; PPB’s; private jets; poster campaigns, etc, etc
My advice to political parties is ‘live within your means or go bust’.
Exactly. Political funding should be limited to people who can vote.
I’d like them to give me a small leaflet and a big bag of crisps.
See who can give us the best value for money. I’ll vote for anyone that gives me seabrooks salt and sulphuric acid.
We need to get political parties in the cross-hairs of outrage. Most political sleaze is either down to personal benefit (MPs expenses) or party activity (cash for honours etc). The damage of party sleaze is compounded because political parties will always protect themselves and their own regardless of the truth or the wrongdoing. These machines are oiled by money … take away the supply of money from wealthy backers and organisations with vested interests and the machines seize up. MAke them rely only on membership subscriptions: the only way they become viable again is through mass membership and the only way MPs become electable is by building trust with their constituents.
Petition: Restrict the financing of political parties to individual member subscriptions
Less than half-a-million Britons belong to one of the main political parties. Despite this, parties receive £80m in funding and seek another £25m from the state. The day of the political party is long-past but we have a system of patronage and influence run by an apparatchik elite. The duty of MP to Constituency has long been secondary to party loyalty and the litany of scandals involving lobbyists and funding is too long to recount. Britain is a liberal democracy and people should be free to organise themselves, but the current system is undemocratic and out of control. Restricting funding to member subscription would hold this apparatchik class to account. MPs could elect Ministers and this does not prevent the renaissance of mass-member parties. There has been a broad consensus in UK politics for the last two decades and any major issues could be the subject of referenda. We call upon the Government to restrict the financing of political parties to individual member subscriptions.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/21338
I’m number 3, not long now.
Be surprisingly inexpensive if you limited each constituancey to only 6 candiadtes from different parties , gave each 5K for leaflets and stumped up registration fee , I make it less than 40k per constituancey , £26mn max , force unions to only fund hospitals , country saved from wonkeness.
Is anyone having a look at John Yates’s “investigation” of Bliar’s suspected honours sales – just a thought, since he appears to have missed several thousand offences when he looked at phone-hacking…
She has that boyish look so beloved by Ed Ballbag and his ilk
A prematurely aged boy/man who was head prefect in a Solihull grammar school
Tranny?
Does anybody know “which side of the stumps,” assuming she is female?
Does it matter Principal boy-girl. Few avoid short leg
Energy secretary Chris Huhne told his ex-wife that he wanted a divorce at half time during a football match at last year’s World Cup, she has said.
poppy cock!
+++++++BREAKING NEWS+++++++++++
Fifa say no poppys on shirts, FA say players will now wear black armbands instead.
This is a fuckin disgrace!!!!!
Poppies on football shirts during a game is a crap idea, anyway. They should wear them on their suits, as intended.
Rules is rules *snigger*
Rules is rules *s n i g g e r*
We may not get that far. A 400m-wide asteroid is passing by the Earth today and will be closest to us just before midnight. Called 2005 YU55, it will come within 202000 miles of Earth. It keeps on muttering, “Brown, Brown, where is that cυnt?”
I confidently predict that 2005 YU55 will not hit Tel Aviv.
The former prime minister wishes to welcome the asteroid and any life forms that it contains. It is hoped that the asteroid is full of gold to replace our somewhat dwindled stocks.
No Bill surely you mean Heamerroid
I am surprised the EU hasnt suggested we try and eject all the debt into outer space to get rid of it ………….
Good idea! I nominate Ed Balls MP to feedd the monkey.
Anyone else think that this is a Tonyblairism? A few years ago poppies were introduced to shirts on the gameday nearest the 11th yet FA rules state that shirts cannot be altered in the season.
This compulsory poppy wearing is meaningless tokenism.
Cooeee !!
Put them all up for a General Flushin-Out evry year , darlin x .
That would focus their *brains* an not give them time to get tooo cozy in their bean-bags .
I’d get outta mine once a year to show my disgust , I reckons .
E x .
I wonder if Frankie will have Simon Cowell’s name tattooed on his arse now that he’s been fucked by him..
Who the fuck is Frankie?
Who gives a shit
Supper?
SHHHHH– some people might think you mean it literally!
Political party bends over for financial backer in national Parliament shocker.
GMB : Guess My Bung , could be a new quiz show !
la la la la – not listening
1. The GMB is not paying for amendments – the amendments Guido was referring to were Govt amendments.
2. The LP position on this was to abstain on the Govt amendments and that was what they did. So given that the GMB was against the amendments and the manner of the LSC transfer it seems that there influence on the LP wasn’t particularly effective.
3. Why shouldn’t the Labour Party consult with a labour union – especially when the Union concerned is the one that has been representing LSC employees on this and other matters – do Guido and others seriously suggest that political parties shouldn’t consult with interested and
4. Guido has produced absolutely no direct evidence that the LP decided its parlimentary position on this matter based on the funding it received from the GMB – just a circumstantial smear
5. Can we assume using Guido’s perverted logic that is the Govt abstains/doesn’t put forward legislation requested by the hedge fund industry that it is because of donations received from managers of said hedge funds – and similar cicumstantial smears.
Weak Guido Weak
PS is this something requested by CCHQ to divert attention from Theresa May ?
1. No they are not.
2. No it was not. The LP position was to ask the GMB before deciding what to do.
3. They can consult to their hearts content, but this goes way beyond any consultation.
4. Other than the paper trail…
5. Show me the paper trail.
PS. Ha ha.
No need Mr Fellio did an excellent job on total backfire , Ken hardley paused mmmm that victims rep , bit rich accusing of tardyness , 6 eleapsed and didnt appoint ………mmmmmmmmmmmm yummy
The problem is that labour supporters state that the tories are bankrolled by rich corporations. The Labour party are bankrolled by the unions or would go bankrupt.
If an individual MP receives funding it should be pointed out from whatever party they are, so as to see who is lobbying who either indirectly (by gifts in kind or trip overseas) or directly. If an MP is getting a donation from the unions it is right to point this out if he subsequently promotes a unions point of view.
Anyway Sadiq is my MP so ask him why Tom Cox my old MP for 20 years got deselected by his cronies after it is alleged that weeks before the desecltion meeting loads of asian labour voters suddenly joined and all voted for saddiq !!!
“If an individual MP receives funding it should be pointed out from whatever party they are, so as to see who is lobbying who either indirectly (by gifts in kind or trip overseas) or directly. If an MP is getting a donation from the unions it is right to point this out if he subsequently promotes a unions point of view.”
Quite right – but in this case the MP identified didn’t put forward the amendments that Guido claims they did or talk and vote on the matter in the debate. So how was she lobbying on the part of the GMB – evil mind waves I daresay.
It is also a truism that all political parties would go bankrupt if they weren’t funded by someone.
The USSR?
Alleged racist remarks, Billy.
Poppies have become the annual pre-Christmas bore.
The bankers.
+2
+5
+7
All prime numbers. Sinister.
The whole poppy thing has gone very wierd.
Sounds like the kind of obsession that Boris said was purely scouse.
> 1 , run out of room (twitter has a limit)
>2 for some, but Fifa should not dictate the policy
>3 we will agree to disagree.
the Tsionists
Has the Beeb reported this?
I think you need to remember that Labour was born from the trade union movement. It is the parliamentary representation for the trade unions. So of course unions influence Labour thinking, they’re meant to, that’s the whole point of Labour.
Yes, and its some kind of balance against the developers and bankers who finance the Conservatives.
Simple guide.
Cash from trade union members (who can vote) => Labour OK.
Cash trade unions* (who can’t vote) => Labour Not-OK.
* this also applies to Ltd companies and foreigners.
Labour used to be Cash for titles and favours
It has become a little vular now, but more honest, I must admit
It is merely WE ARE LABOUR AND WE ARE FOR SALE
And we obviously do not believe in a thing but buskering
Stop me and buy one…
Yes it’s much better to have a tyranny of the Chosen minority of armsdealers and warmongers a la Poju Zabludowicz and other eminenty pleasant individuals shilling for a subversive enemy power posing as a ally.
Not too sure how the COOP fits into the scheme of things, it’s still a company and a bank yet they have MPs or did?.
Speaking of tyrannies is that Ed Balls with makeup?
Kate Green didn’t table the amendments which Guido referred to in his earlier post – these were Government Amendments 64 and 65 – see Hansard here http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cmhansrd/cm111102/debtext/111102-0002.htm#11110289002221
Perhaps Guido could explain how the GMB paid for Government amendments as per the title of his post?
Socialist Scum.
Can anyone spell “tort of defamation”?
Mind, given they don’t understand what “Govt” before an amendment means, i.e. that it’s a Government amendment and not one tabled by the Opposition, one imagines these prize idiots can’t.
They couldn’t even look at the debate itself and see that no Labour MP spoke on the amendments concerned and that the amendments were then accepted without a vote. So much for the GMB’s influence there then!
Do all the idiots who took Guido’s rubbish at face value understand just how gullible they are?
Oh dear poor puppet loves! look it’s very simple[ just like you] the Labour party asked how to vote and their paymasters told them !get it or are you too thick ? see I don’t care who tabled what but I do care which group financed what votes moron !
But there wasn’t a vote cretin!
Or even a discussion on the matter – the point you fail to appreciate is that the GMB’s views on this matter are not an irrelvance since they are the Union repsenting many of those concerned – do you really think a Labour Party should ignore the views of the labour concerned?? Is that really how Tories believe labour relations should be conducted??
Have the BBC even mentioned this revelation? Need I ask?
or this one…
http://www.iaindale.com/posts/lin-homers-dodgy-past
It seems that the BBC are really intent on getting Theresa May.
There’s something extremely whiffy about this affair and the contribution of the so call whistle blowers. Some of their claims are bizare.
It seems like another Tory minister is being targetted for attempting to implement desperately needed change.
Fox, May, Gove and Lansley have all attempted reform and have met severe resistance personal attacks and briefing to the BBC and Guardian.
Labour have left their placed men and women in the corridors of power. It’s time the politicised Civil Sevice was sorted out.
Our Shadow PM called Red Ed
Dithers, or so it was said
But the sad truth we now see
He must wait for GMB
To make up its mind instead.
There once was a young girl called May
Whose kitten heels caused disarray
Wherever she went,
Disaster seemed bent
On leaving her legs all asplay
An Etonian PM said to me
I totally support you, you see
That will last to next week
Or the next damning leak
Assuming that Nick will agree
Our checks on the borders I say
Are led by intelligence each day
That sounds all and well
But the truth we daren’t tell
That the Home Office IQ’s subzero