October 30th, 2011

Climate Change: Global Flatlining

The now famous global warming graph (top), popularised by Al Gore, shows rising global temperatures. Now a well funded team called the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperatures project (BEST) led by Professor Richard Muller, of Berkeley University in California, has been accused of falsifying data by a respected member. A repeat of the Climate Research Unit debacle at the University of East Anglia.

Professor Judith Curry, who chairs the Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the prestigious Georgia Institute of Technology, said that Muller’s claims were a ‘huge mistake’, with no scientific basis – she has 30 years research experience and is the second named co-author of the BEST project’s four research papers. She has accused him of trying to mislead the public by hiding the fact that BEST’s research shows global warming has actually stopped – as seen in the more accurate chart (bottom).

One international controversy over research fakery at the Climate Research Unit of the UEA by politically motivated scientitsts is bad enough, now a second case of fakery has been uncovered suggests the global warming racket is unravelling. The age of the progressive consensus on climate change, which was bought into by Cameron’s Conservative Party, was based on deliberate falsifications.

“Ages are no more infallible than individuals; every age having held many opinions which subsequent ages have deemed not only false but absurd; and it is as certain that many opinions, now general, will be rejected by future ages, as it is that many, once general, are rejected by the present.”

John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

The claims by the likes of George Monbiot and others that the respectable scientific world was at one and those of us sceptical of the alarmist’s claims were in denial ring increasingly hollow. Public opinion is turning sceptical, suspecting rightly that this is just another racket to raise taxes. Temperatures have not been rising for a decade contrary to the global warming theories under-pinning the outlandish claims of the alarmists. Our supposed invisible carbon threat reminds Guido of the emperor’s new clothes – seen only by fools deceived by charlatans.

See also: CRU Boss Stands Aside, Queens University Blocking Data FOITime to Defund CRU’s Global Cooling DeniersClimate Change Alarmism is Snow Joke


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  1. 1
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Whats more of a scam, global warming or the EU ponzi scheme?

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        Scams are the new religion.

        To the long list of professions that we cannot trust, or take at face value, we have to add scientists.

        I blame Blair, not for starting it, but for letting it mushroom.

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          The Paragnostic says:

          I’d hesitate to call most of these people scientists.

          Geography lecturers are not scientists, and geography is more of an interpretative discipline, akin to history. It’s like pretending that sociology is science – it isn’t, and those who claim otherwise are fools.

          If you ask proper scientists, who know about things like atmospheric physics, chemistry, net radiation flow, etc. most of them think AGW is sensationalist nonsense and unproven conjecture.

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          • I would agree with most of what you say. But to dismiss them all as geography lecturers is to underestimate the problem IMHO.

            But where would you put The Scientific Alliance for example? They urge caution but say, “the first results of CLOUD are still at least consistent with the Svensmark hypothesis … the hypothesis certainly cannot be dismissed”. Not as sceptics then but practically as fence sitters. They are taking a proper scientific approach against a wall of vested interest

            We know where the Royal Society, the Europеan Physical Society, the Europеan Science Foundation, the Europеan Federation of Geologists, the Europеan Geosciences Union, the Geological Society of London, the Royal Meteorological Society, the World Meteorological Organization, the Institute of Biology, the World Health Organization and about 100 other similar organisations stand. It’s all cut and dried for them and there are many thousands of scientists in these bodies.

            What about the 3,146 of the 10,257 polled Earth scientists in Doran and Kendall Zimmerman 2009 and whose summary wisely pointed out that “It seems that the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term climate processes.”

            Just as not every MP is bad, not every policeman is bad, not every lawyer is bad is it true to say that not every scientist is bad.. But too many of all these classes and more are.

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          • Flat-earthers have the last laugh says:

            It’ll all end for the best when the heat dissipates. It will do this when it falls over the edge of the earth into the nothingness below.

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          • @ Mr laugh

            That is about as good as the debate gets.

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          • The Paragnostic says:

            Unfortunately, Cat (and you know this as well as I do), by the time a scientist becomes a member of one of these august bodies, he (or she, sometimes) has been relegated to a bureaucratic position and is more interested in where the next grant cheque is coming from than in promoting good science.

            I doubt very much whether any of the bodies you mention would support AGW if it was put to a free vote of their members – but those at the top know which side their bread is buttered and prefer to go after the jam rather than upset the applecart.

            One of these days I’ll manage to mix more than three metaphors in a row – or is there some sort of exclusion principle applying here?

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          • Understand, agree and in that vein, I still maintain that Blair was the Nigerian in the woodpile.

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          • The Paragnostic says:

            Unlike O’bama who’s the Kenyan in the Whitehouse…

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          • Anonymous says:

            I believe in AGW, I think the data in the first graph shows periods of cooling in the 20th century as well as warming, that’s the bit I might disagree on with most people here.

            But the bit I agree with is that it’s pointless screwing our own economies to reduce carbon usage when we a) have no affordable alternative (other than nuclear that the greens also hate)

            b) have several billion people in developing countries (like china) that are expanding output to the extent that cuts we make are pissing in the wind and

            c) will probably be able to stabilise the atmosphere through geoengineering if it ever gets desperate enough, you only have to reduce the earth’s albedo by 1 percent so it’s well within current technological capabilities, let alone those of future generations.

            d) If we were to “accept” nature’s intentions to us we’d have to deal with the fact that it proposes we enter a new ice age eventually.

            e) It is tied into an anti-development/anti capitalist agenda.

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          • @Anonymous

            Thank you for presenting your views, which which I mostly disagree, in a reasonable and coherent manner. I would agree that we will have to enter a new ice age eventually, whatever. Looking back at the last 25,00 years makes that more than a probability IMO. But it is refreshing that you rely solely on rational argument and not the ad hominem and for that reason, to me, you are welcome.

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          • Anonymous says:

            We need more genocide to get rid of the parasites who are polluting the planet.

            And tax aviation fuel at the same rate as fuel for road transport and trains so as to buy a bit more time before global cleansing.

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          • G Kay says:

            Anonymous. You seem to have got a bit mixed up. You would have to INCREASE albedo to cool the planet. But instead of going to all that trouble why not just set out your deck chairs an celebrate the glorious weather?

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          • Failed? says:

            There’s an increasing groundswell of comment over at wattsupwiththat‘s fascinating ‘skeptical’ site that we are living in the foothills of the next cyclical ice age – and that increased carbon emissions are keeping the wolf from our door, climatically speaking.

            They’re another worthwhile pocket of informed (and occasionally abusive) opinion.

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          The 99% says:

          Congrats for swallowing the PR spin from Lawson’s corporate-funded flaks, Guido. See here for a comprehensive debunking of that lame chart: http://tamino.wordpress.com/2011/10/30/judith-curry-opens-mouth-inserts-foot/

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        gman says:

        Keep on eating those pies Guido you fat Hoon.

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      Whatever! It doesn’t matter. Now politicians have had a smell of filthy lucre they can make with green taxes, they’ll continue – no matter how much you prove it was all a lie.

      You know it’s the truth!

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      Lets go down together says:

      But just look at the dates of both graphs on the x-axis. Not exactly comparing like with like are they?

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      Mark says:

      You can see the original BEST paper here:

      http://berkeleyearth.org/Resources/Berkeley_Earth_Decadal_Variations

      It includes a commentary that says “The four curves show a broad trend of “global warming” with some unevenness; the lack of warming from 1950 to 1975 has been attributed to a combination of natural and anthropogenic factors, especially the cooling effect of increased aerosol pollution [Jones et al.,2003].

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        Budgie says:

        Interesting sentence which debunks CAGW.

        The original theory of CAGW – man made CO2 to cause catastrophic global warming in line with CO2 rising – meant that all other effects would have to be swamped (in order to enable the catastrophe). This has not happened, so CAGW is finished.

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      Mark says:

      See the original paper at

      http://berkeleyearth.org/Resources/Berkeley_Earth_Decadal_Variations

      Note the commentary that says “The four curves show a broad trand of global warming….”

      I don’t know where Guido gets his graphs from

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      Can you spell disingenuous? says:

      Your followers, being scientifically illiterate*, should have it pointed out that the time axes of the two graphs are dramatically different and a simple visual comparison is highly misleading, even if the conclusion is valid.

      * i.e. denizens of Westminster, also morally bankrupt, streaked with yellow, and incapable of any thought process that does not result in more cash going their way.

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    • 485
      Greg Tingey says:

      Guido is a LIAR

      The planet is getting warmer.

      If you were a gardener, you’d notice.

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    • 486
      Greg Tingey says:

      Guido is a LIAR, worse he’s a DOUBLE LIAR – look very carefully at the DIFFERENT x-axes on the graphs shown!

      The planet is getting warmer.

      If you were a gardener, you’d notice.

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        What's up cock says:

        Greg Tingey is full of crap! Sounds like the fairies at the bottom of the garden have got you!

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        Budgie says:

        Talk sense, Greg. CAGW is finished. The theory stated that catasrophic warming would ensue in line with the rising CO2 level. Unfortunately for CAGW liars, CO2 has risen over the last 10 years but the global temperature has not.

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      M says:

      So it was the EU that was over heating , not the planet !

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    Well, I’m not surprised.

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      Non believer says:

      I’m not in any way surprised that Guido takes his world view on a subject this important from the Daily Mail…..

      Ms Curry has already said her views were misrepresented by the DM (how surprising) and in any case the views expressed in the article are comprehensively debunked here

      http://tamino.wordpress.com/2011/10/30/judith-curry-opens-mouth-inserts-foot/

      The armchair scientists on here are hilarious

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        Curry’s own words are here:

        http://judithcurry.com/2011/10/30/mail-on-best/#more-5526

        Her “dismissal” is not so broad as you would claim, particularly on the “end of skepticism” and “no evidence of slowing” statements.

        Curry’s write-up is more nuanced than the hysterical character assassination you link to, which – among its many bungles – fails on this point: “The simplest correct thing to do is to omit those two data points”. Excluding “uncertain” data does not produce an analysis with enough certainty on which to base public policy. I continue to be astonished that so many clever commentators are “skeptics” with regard to the claims of religion and homeopathy, yet have such a massive blind spot when it comes to this kind of mythologizing sham.

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          non believer says:

          of course

          Comparing someone’s belief in vishnu or the healing powers of sugar pills with the current concensus on climate change is fair and balanced.

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          • Yes, it is. A faith-based belief is a faith-based belief, regardless of the subject matter. Meanwhile, the predictions of climate catastrophe carry on not coming true; and the more evident that is, the more strident those with faith in the catastrophe are becoming.

            Recommended reading for you: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1578988527

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          • non believer says:

            Just to be clear. you’re seriously stating that the global scientific communities concensus on climate change is a religious belief?

            your recommendation of a book on cognitive dissonance (especially on this blog) is massively ironic btw.

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          • That “concensus” (sic) certainly appears to be a long way from settled.

            The belief that catastrophe is coming without sacrifice is certainly faith-based. As is your touching faith in the reasoning for the exclusion of data points in the link you posted (which a critical thinker really ought to challenge). Curry’s position has consistently recognised the need for a rational assessment of uncertainty in climate science – the consensus appears to be slowly moving in her direction.

            Now go proselytize more, it’ll make you feel less absurd.

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        What's up cock says:

        Yeah Tamino – crap crap crap!!!

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          pjclarke says:

          Thanks. I was wavering, Tamino being a professional statistician and everything…

          But your forensic analysis swayed me.

          If you could just say ‘crap’ one more time, I think we can get the IPCC disbanded…..

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    Four-eyed English Genius says:

    There is a nice bit of premature Global Warming going on in New England right now!

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Are those snowmen suitable for a family blog?

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    joescotus says:

    climate change ! for the most part utter bollocks

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      AC1 says:

      Climate Change isn’t bollocks, it changes all the time

      The anthropomorphic part of it largely is.

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      Ctesibius says:

      There are actually two points which are very simple and made crystal clear by this data.

      1. Global warming has taken place, as has global cooling. The world has warmed by about a degree and a half since 1800, but the combination of factors which caused this is unknown. It cannot simply have been levels of man-made CO2, because if it was then the world would have – must have – warmed up strongly in the last ten years.

      2. It is impossible therefore to argue that reducing the levels of human CO2 production will reduce the global temperature (or temperature rise). Until that case can be made there is no justification whatsoever for any constraints on CO2 production through ‘green taxes’ or carbon controls.

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    Avada Kadavra says:

    We’ll see what effect releasing millions of years of stored carbons into the atmos inside 100 years does have…
    Those who make unimaginably huge wads of lucre from it say none. Now there’s a surprise.
    I’m staying on the fence.

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      The Paragnostic says:

      Those who make unimaginably huge wads out of the AGW scam say lots – now there’s another surprise.

      Al Gore has made millions from carbon trading – likewise Railway Engineer Pachauri. There’s loads of money to be made from the scam, and everyone who can get in on the game is doing so. Why do you think your home energy costs have gone through the roof? It’s not all going to pay for windmills and solar panels – the generating cartel are grabbing their share while the going’s good too.

      I suppose you believe that fracking for gas makes your taps explode, too.

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      So far we’ve seen that it has changed the concentration of atmospheric carbon dioxide from 35 hundredths of a percent to 46 hundredths of a percent. Aside from that, we don’t really know any other results.

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        AC1 says:

        Not sure it’s gone anything like that high.

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        Engineer says:

        Might even be to human advantage.

        The population is increasing, they’ll all need feeding, with either plants or meat from plant-fed animals. Carbon dioxide is (putting it crudely) plantfood; we know that plants grow better in an atmosphere richer in carbon dioxide, and use that to our advantage in commercial greenhouses. Maybe increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration will improve natural plant growth.

        (I know that’s only a theory, but hey – there are so many of those kicking about that another one can’t do any harm!)

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      Gary Jones says:

      wise words,will sit on the fence as well,

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    Anonymous says:

    Guido, remind me again why you don’t just go and get a job at the Daily Mail? Or do they just pay you ‘under the counter’?

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      annette curton says:

      Well the Daily Mail jibe is better than being called a Nazi by Guardianistas simply for questioning the veracity of the data as I was, (and that was years ago when Monbiot & co were still in full hysterical cry, before Hockey Stick, East Anglia and now Berkeley).

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          annette curton says:

          Once you have set the stall out its difficult to change stance from selling Snake Oil and Browns Patent Cure All and still emerge with any credibility in the market place.

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        gman says:

        You’re not just a bunch of Nazi’s, but a bunch of pig shit-thick nazi’s who learnt science from Melanie Phillips, think god invented everything for fun, and don’t believe that humans are responsible for climate change because you’ve got a 4-by-4 in the garage, which your fat ugly mrs uses everyday to drop the kids two minutes down the road to school, before popping to marks & sparks for the daily carbohydrate and sugar shop. When I’m in power, I’m going to fuck you and the rest of the middle classes through the fucking nose on fuel duty. Your big fat ugly mrs will be forced to waddle down the road every morning and shop round the corner. You will have to start using trains and holidaying in Blackpool. You will have to take your thick kids out of that low-fee paying ex-grammar school and into a comprehensive where they will begin studying drugs on top of all those wooly social science classes… and when they remain unmarried aged 40, you will learn that they are among the 3% of the population that is gay–and since homosexuality isn’t biological it must mean that they learn’t it from you. You big bender. Go live in Ireland with Guido.

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          Tessa Tickles says:

          That’s one of the more sensible suggestions I’ve read today.

          However, when accusing people of being “pig shit-thick nazi’s”, I’d advise not sticking a possessive apostrophe where there shouldn’t be one.

          It makes you look pigshit thick.

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          The Paragnostic says:

          Only 3%?

          Rusty will be pissed off – he was relying on getting their votes by crawling to them.

          Who is Melanie Phillips? Is she as good as a tumble with Kate Humble?

          I’m sure your interesting and highly thought out post begs more questions, but I’ve got toenails to cut.

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          Anonymous says:

          What a thick, gullible cuпt you are gman. A fucking gift to snake oil salesmen.

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          AC1 says:

          I got my science from an honours degree in computing maths.

          You know, knowing things about recursion and exponential error that just basically fatally destroy an predictive ability of computer climate (and economic) models.

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          • underpants says:

            Not interested in the predictive ability of computer climate, just interested in the fact that greenhouse gases trap heat in the atmosphere. As more are produced (naturally and by humans) then so the temperature of earth rises. Common sense, simple common sense.

            Try getting a science degree in physics, chemistry or biology… i.e., the Sciences.

            As for computing maths, recursion and exponential error… you can stick them all up your arse or continue with the equivalent, trying to forecast the value of the FTSE 100 or the price of banana’s in a fortnight.

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          What's up cock says:

          gman – What a Hunt!

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          Vince Cable's rucksack says:

          Gman sitting on the fence again…..

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      Jimmy says:

      He’s holding out for a Sun on Sunday column

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    Some Geezer Wot Seen It On The Telly says:

    Four inches of snow or more in the New York area, on 29/10/11. Where is global warming when you really need it?

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      The Paragnostic says:

      And the NY fire dept has taken the generators off the poor freezing protestors, too!

      Arabs, being smart, protest in the spring. Lefties choose autumn – what does that say?

      Ha Ha!

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      Another Engineer says:

      It was quite warm for late October in the UK today.

      Both are instances of this thing called “weather”.

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      Avada Kadavra says:

      It could be there’s more snow because warmer temps made more water evaporate. Or not.
      It’s not as simple as you think, Simpleton.

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    Breton says:

    Ah screw it. Let’s fuck up the world we’ll all be dead by the time the shit hits the fan.

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      Even were we to feel inclined, how would you suggest we do it?

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      Ah! Monika says:

      If we are all dead, who would produce the shit?

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        Breton says:

        You will be dead but your children will not.  I have no idea the right and wrong of the data but I can’t understand why we would continue to pour pollution into the atmosphere just because it’s easy. Wouldn’t the best way to secure the future be to treat the planet with some respect?  Your hubris is risking your children’s right to a healthy, prosperous life.

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          Ctesibius says:

          Moron: Carbon Dioxide is not ‘pollution’! You yourself are made of carbon and all life depends on the carbon cycle.

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          • t says:

            I am sure it is not just Carbon Dixide that is pumped into the atmosphere, no comment on your mentality at all.

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          The Paragnostic says:

          Our children won’t have a healthy and prosperous life because Gordon McRuin spent all their tax on bedwetters and vanity schemes.

          They stand a better chance of prosperity if we develop shale gas reserves and secure our future energy requirements rather than worrying about unproven conjectures of global warming.

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      John Maynard Keynes says:

      My sentiments exactly.

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      Well it's a thought says:

      I look at it this way, we don’t produce C02 it’s already here, we just unlock some of it, besides most life is made of carbon, so as humans grow to 7billion, we are locking it back up again, swings and rounabouts.

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        Wycked Hors says:

        “In every 85,800 molecules of air, 33 are CO2. Of those, humans just produce one. That the UN IPCC and Al Gore claim that one (1) molecule of CO2 in 85,800 molecules of air catastrophically warms the planet is nonsense. That the UN IPCC and Al Gore claim that one (1) molecule of human CO2 causes catastrophic warming while the remaining 32 molecules of Nature’s identical CO2 do not is insanity. ” Hans Schreuder, retired analyst.

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    Gordon F Brown says:

    It didn’t fool me. I knew a good taxation opportunity when I saw one…

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    What a plonker. says:

    So called global warming is the biggest con perpetuated on the
    world population and is just a money and ego spinner for corrupt politicians.

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    Anonymous says:

    “There is NO comparison of this situation to Climategate.” – Judith Curry

    http://judithcurry.com/2011/10/30/mail-on-best/#comments

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      The Paragnostic says:

      To be fair, the BEST analysis uses a 10-year average to try to remove the signal from the periodic warming and cooling of the Atlantic.

      The fact that this biases the analysis against the largely static data of the last 10 years is coincidental, but has been siezed upon by AGW proponents as somehow justifying their history of misrepresentation.

      And yes, I have read the BEST papers, and yes, I am a (lapsed) mathematician.

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        Grumpy Old Man says:

        I’m waiting for the 2 Macs to analyse the data. Prof. Curry is right in that she as 2nd lead author has made her disquiet public, and that the Data for BEST is freely available. She is wrong in that yet another attempt has been made by the CAGW loonies to present biased bad science as gospel.

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          The Paragnostic says:

          I must admit I was surprised by the urban heat island paper – I’m sure there’s something wrong with it (most likely some non-obvious bias in the sample selection), but can’t put my finger on it. I’ve read it three times now, and still can’t find a glaring error. Maybe I’ll download the data and have a crack at some different samples.

          I’m sure that as more people look at these papers we’ll see where the errors are, and the claims of the AGW crowd will be shown for what they are.

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    jarders says:

    Wait – what about the trend? The second graph points only to the last ten years whereas the other one is for the last few hundred? Wouldn’t like to base our future on a rather select period? Also – iz a bit more complex innit?

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      Curious says:

      I am all for reliable science when we can get it. I’d rather base the decisions on figures which are accurate instead of ones which are conjured up from extrapolating temperatures from miniscule amounts of indirect evidence and ignoring inconvenient facts, i.e. Greenland used to have farms and the UK has been much warmer than it is now: even in Pepys’ day, they grew grapes in Essex.

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      Ctesibius says:

      If you could get the data and produce the graph over the last thousand years you would almost certainly produce a ‘U-shaped’ graph, which would appear to show a ‘recovery’ to ‘normal’ temperature following a cold dip into the 18th century. But data becomes less accurate the further back you go. You can make a graph show almost anything if you select the start and end dates such that it illustrates your hypothesis.

      Liberal Democrats (‘winning here’) are past masters at this.

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      A Pensioner says:

      You need to look at the graph before 1800. Post 1800 is just the return to “normality” after a prior cold spell – the Little Ice Age in the middle ages.

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    Snowman says:

    Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

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    Slartibartfast says:

    Those two graphs are incomparable. Look at the timescales for a start. Lazy sensationalism. The evidence is there. Learn the difference between weather and climate.

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    Stop the Authoritarian Green Gravy Train says:

    Meanwhile, local authorities aroung the country are paying good money for pimply youths in dayglo jackets to go aoiund with clipboards hectoring residents to concrte over yet more space in their front gardens for ever more expensive and elaborately colour coded wheelie bins (bought for £75+ a go from the Germans), and scaring the elderly with fine of £1000 if they don’t seperate out rubbish that often ends up in the same landfill bound trucks anyway.

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    Polythesis says:

    The wonderful thing about the truth is, liars and deceivers can run and they can hide but in the end they are always caught.

    All the years of lies and fraud and venom and spite, all the billions of pounds pissed up the wall and stolen by the legions of fraudsters. After all the stupidity and the ignorance we are at last seeing the light of reason at the end of the tunnel.

    CAGW was always a fraud, it smelled like a fraud, it looked like a fraud and you could see the fraudsters crowding round the cash spigot like blue bottles round a corpse. Well, thanks to the political class we in the West have handed over world supremacy to the red Chinese, thanks to the political class we will all suffer years of poverty.

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      annette curton says:

      You have to admire the irony, we will all be suffering years of poverty and hypothermia this time due to a Global Warming Ponzi scheme, roll-up! buy your carbon credits here, some people never learn, you could call it sub-prime intelligence.

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        Grumpy Old Man says:

        You could. Alternatively you could call it larcenous intent by barrowboy mentalities.

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        Susie says:

        Anyway, it’s the Sun stupid as they say…

        One of six videos of this documentary — it starts off in Danish, but is mostly in English after a few minutes. Look and learn. The basics of Svensmark’s cloud ionization mechanism has been recently been confirmed by CERN.

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    Engineer says:

    1) Truth will out – eventually.

    2) The science isn’t settled – it isn’t even close to being settled, as even a cursory reading of reasonably unbiased sources will quickly confirm.

    3) Some people seem to like to have something to panic about.

    4) That’s fine, but would they please refrain from making the rest of us suffer for their foibles?

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    Petitioniste says:

    The EU Referendum petition has passed 11,000 signatures:

    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/20133

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      Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

      In jus under 7 days!

      Keep asking until they give the people the right answer, lets turn the tables on the politcal class!

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      jabbathecat says:

      Long way to go to 1,000,000, which is what you realistically need to have a serious bite at the cherry again…

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        The Will of the people will not be thwarted says:

        Not so….to get a second petition with 100,000 plus signatures withing a few months of the last one will be an embarassment for our ruling class and increase pressure on Cameron to concede one whatever Clegg may threaten…it’s obvious that the pro-Europeans are running scared..hence Clegg’s blustering in the press about him blocking any attempts to repatriate powers…

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    • 59
      annette curton says:

      It would be a good idea if the signatures were this time printed off to hard copy and dumped on the doorstep of number 10, might get a bit more publicity that way.

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    Frustrated Polly says:

    Guido. For G*d’s sake. When will you learn that it’s perfectly OK for Lefties and Greenies to falsify and exaggerate evidence and arguments in their favour because they are superior human beings and know best?

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  22. 50
    Climate Change the greatest myth ever says:

    When will people realise that Global Warming is a confidence trick…it’s a scam…it’s totally made up…..the World’s Climate has been going through periods of warming and then cooling for aeons…..

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    • 54
      Chris Hoon says:

      But this is the first time we have tried to raise a Tax on the weather !!

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    • 56
      Old Father Time says:

      I can vouch for that.

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    • 75
      Tessa Tickles says:

      I doubt very much that global warming is a confidence trick – Britain used to be covered in glaciers (some a mile deep). Something made the temperatures rise and cause those glaciers melt, about 8000 years ago.

      Cars and patio heaters, probably. I for one am glad that Camoron, like McMental before him, is piling on the economy-wrecking green taxes to stop global warming in its tracks and to keep us safe.

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      • 97
        annette curton says:

        Good point, Britain was once connected to the continent of Europe, a continuous land mass and then what happened?… a flood of biblical proportions when the glaciers melted.
        If only Mr And Mrs Neanderthal had installed loft insulation.

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      • 109
        The Paragnostic says:

        I think you’ll find it was mammoth farts, TT.

        Loads of methane in a mammoth fart, and methane’s even worse than plant food for making the atmosphere microscopically warmer than it would be otherwise.

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        • 250
          Mammoth Fart says:

          I dispute that it’s my fault! I never done nothing.

          Just cos I am full of methane, doesn’t mean I’m full of hot air.

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  23. 60

    So when can we disband the The European Union Emission Trading Scheme?

    How do those reluctantly caught up in it have their positions unwound?

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    • 137
      Grumpy Old Man says:

      The Mafia have a significant interest in the EUETS, as do several of Cameron’s Kitchen Cabinet. Any simple citizen would do well to sell out and quietly fade into the background.

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  24. 61

    So whеn can wе disband the The Europеan Union Emission Trading Schеme?

    How do those reluctantly caught up in it have thеir positions unwound?

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    • 83
      AC1 says:

      IIRR That market is trading at basically zero. Those positions are (like Madoff’s) already unwound at 100% haircut.

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      • 161

        I didn’t know that IIRR was central to this although I saw that CCX ceased trading in carbon emissions last year. European Climate Exchange, NASDAQ OMX Commodities Europe, PowerNext, Commodity Exchange Bratislava and European Energy Exchange still seem to be functioning.

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      • 163

        I didn’t know that IIRR was central to this although I saw that CCX ceased trading in carbon emissions last year. Europеan Climate Exchange, NASDAQ OMX Commodities Europe, PowerNext, Commodity Exchange Bratislava and Europеan Energy Exchange still seem to be functioning.

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  25. 62
    Jimmy says:

    I suppose given that a sizeable chunk of the right believes the universe is only 6000 years old then a decade is a pretty significant period.

    I think the science articles here are my favourites.

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    • 69
      A Labour-voting Muzzie says:

      But the universe is only 6,000 years old!

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    • 73
      Engineer says:

      That’s a bit like saying that a sizeable chunk of the left believe George Monbiot to be the One True Prophet.

      Don’t worry too much about the science, Jimmy. It’s full of Hard Sums, Postulations, Proofs, Experimental Verifications and other difficult stuff like that. It’ll only make your head hurt.

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    • 88
      AC1 says:

      Jimmy, it’s the economic-creationists we have to worry about most (you know the one’s who have faith in Gaia’s holy AGW).

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      • 134
        Tony 'the pope' Bliar says:

        Religion has always been a fantastic money spinner for those at the top.

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          t says:

          So has the law, completely self regulating, whether all of it is needed or not, mix it with appointed buearocrats and there mights be a machine for printing oodles!

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    • 144
      Grumpy Old Man says:

      Most of your ilk, Jimmy, believe that British politics is only 32 years old. “In the Beginning, there was Fatcher….”

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    • 194

      Come on, Jimmy. Whatever you are, you are not completely stupid. You know damn well that a sizeable chunk of the left believes the universe began on the day they were born. ;-)

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    • 223
      The Paragnostic says:

      If I remember correctly, it was Tony Blair who defended the teaching of creationism at one of his ‘academy’ schools in Gateshead…

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      • 320
        Jimmy says:

        Let’s face it, that’s a very big “if” isn’t it?

        Sounds like something you’d read here.

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        • 394
          The Paragnostic says:

          Nope – I read it in a book by Francis Wheen.

          See – I remember where I read it, just not when Blair said it. I think it was 2002 or so.

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  26. 74
    Where are Tony Blair's Expenses says:

    The history of the world is littered with periods of cataclysmic weather which have resulted in periods of famine, starvation and death the most notable ones being 535-536 AD and 1315 -1317. All these events are ignored by the climate change terrorists because they don’t fit into their simplistic models.

    You know the whole thing is con when

    (1) Global Warming changes its name to Climate Change

    (2) The scientists at East Anglia had to change their data to suit their conclusions.

    (3) Huhne endorses the building of Nulcear Power Stations.

    The politicians have taken it all in as they think it will gain them 1-2 % of the national vote that may give them 20-20 seats.

    If call me Dave thinks there is an anti green backlash at the moment just wait until everybody has to pay their gas bills next March.

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    • 187
      Bonos Carbon footprint says:

      For completeness you should also include

      (4) Bono and various Celebs lend their support by staging “Benefit” concerts which use more electricity than a major city and which greatly benefit their bank accounts.

      (5) Politicians jump on the bandwagon

      Whenever this occurs over any issue alarm bells should ring.

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      • 196
        The Paragnostic says:

        You forgot the carbon footprint of the massive computer dedicated to offshoring Bonio’s tax liabilities. Everyone thinks that it’s Amazon building that data centre in Sweden, but in fact it’s U2 trying to melt the Arctic and find more polar bears to save.

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    nell says:

    Wow so east anglia’s not going to disappe@r under 10feet of water and my garden is not going to turn to desert then?

    Somebody had better tell the environment agency that they need to revamp their disaster plans because they are still completely in thrall to the uea. When they realise what idiots they’ve been they’ll need another few £million to change the logo on their letterheads and vehicles again at the moment I think it’s something resembling a drowning man.

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      Susie says:

      Afraid not nell… East Anglia has been inundated many times over the past 800 years and it’s nothing to do with rising sea levels or climate change, more to do with tides and storm surges coinciding with each other.

      In the late 11th early 12th Century, the town/port of Dunwich (now a tiny seaside village) permanently lost half of its farmland listed in the Domesday Book over a few nights.

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  28. 84
    Diawl says:

    Paragnostic is wrong – the BEST analysis was carried out by physicists. The basis of Judith Curry’s criticism is that the graph is cherry picked to show a politically advantageous trend. Even the quasi hockey stick takes its starting point as the end of the mini ice age , not surprisingly it shows a warming trend. If alonger span was used then it would show that our recent slight warming is hardly unusual. The fact that this ham is hardly ever mentioned these days shows that the political paradigm is quickly shifting.

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      The Paragnostic says:

      I never said the BEST analysis wasn’t done by physicists – my only comment on BEST is that the 10-year average used to remove the Atlantic oscillation coincidentally removed the static trend of the last 10 years. I’m also dubious of the urban heat island analysis, but that’s another matter.

      In general, though, most of the climate “scientists” are in fact not scientists at all. The more people know about science, in general, the more sceptical of AGW they tend to be.

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        Susie says:

        The UEA is notorious for its dickhead graduates. Here’s one of them, now Head of National Trust East Anglia, Richard Powell OBE, getting it all so totally wrong you don’t know where to start… it makes me so glad this cretin got my council tax money for writing this drivel.

        http://www.clarewind.org.uk/events-1.php?event=22

        This was the bit… “”A familiar image associated with climate change is the hockey stick curve. This now famous graph shows mankind’s global CO2 emissions set against a timeline, with the flick of the hockey stick showing an exponential growth in greenhouse gas emissions since we in the UK initiated the Industrial Revolution over two centuries ago. It is not a hopeful image.”

        Oh dear.

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  29. 86
    Nature says:

    You are just a little confused Guido. The top graph is not Gore’s scandalous and utterly unscientific Hocky stick it is actually BESTs over a period of 200 years the bottom is just a period of 10 years. But none the less for Judith Curry to state “this affair had to be compared to the notorious ‘Climategate’ scandal two years ago” is going to be big, very big.

    Of course the politics behind all this is coming to a head with paper after paper being released in the run up to Durban. BEST did not even wait to have their stuff peer reviewed before publishing.

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  30. 89
    Mad Al Gore says:

    Global Warming is real, I tell you. Just look at how the Venusian farm industry was devastated.

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  31. 90
    Tony Blair says:

    People liked him, loved him. He was quite simply the people’s DJ.

    By the way, my fee for that tribute is £275,000. Thank you.

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  32. 91
    Jingle Jangle Jewelry says:

    Onto more serious things

    Type Jingle jangle jewelry into you tube or google sit back and laugh

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  33. 92
    Jingle Jangle Jewelry says:

    Type jingle jangle jewelry into You Tube and watch Jimmy in action

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  34. 93
    albacore says:

    Is there any reliable scientific evidence on whether Dave believes in fairies and hobgoblins, too?
    It is, after all, Hallowe’en tomorrow. We wouldn’t want any of those feral youth in his lovely new Big Society to scare the living crap out of him with a two-bob mask, would we now?

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  35. 98
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    So i wont kill the whales if i buy a 4×4 then?

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    • 107
      Engineer says:

      Not unless you roll it off the end of a pier.

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      • 110
        Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

        Do whales like the amusments as well then?

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        • 155
          Engineer says:

          They are said to be intelligent, so why not? They presumably enjoy a laugh as much as the rest of us.

          (Except if they’re whacked on the bonce by a 4×4, obviously…)

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          • Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

            So where do they keep the cash? never seen one witha wallet, bit like a socialist now i come to think about it…..

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          • Susie says:

            Think they get theirs from the krill… as opposed to till like humans. I’ll get my coat…

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    • 112
      Tessa Tickles says:

      No, but it might drown a few penguins which are, as I’m sure Camoron would tell you, the staple food of polar bears, causing them to starve to death.

      (yes, I do know, so don’t point it out.)

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      • 114
        Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

        How can poloar bears pay for penguins tho? they have no money and are barred from sweet shops?

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        • 157
          Tessa Tickles says:

          I don’t know about you, but if I owned a sweet shop and a 10′ polar bear weighing about 30 stone came in wanting some liquorice allsorts, I wouldn’t tell it it’s barred.

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      • 124
        nell says:

        Ah! Talking polar bears whatever happened to that ‘scientist’ that said he’d found the starved bodies of polar bears floating in melting icecaps?

        Except when other people went looking for them, there were living healthy polar bears about but no starved dead one’s and the ice caps hadn’t melted where he said they had.

        Soon after he made that sensational claim, which remains to this day unsubstantiated, he received, I believe, a large grant to further his agw work.

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  36. 100
    Tony Blair says:

    It’s not true that I’m a greedy sociopath who’ll do anything for money regardless of how many people have to die in the process. The fact is, I actually insist on people dying in the process. It makes my blood money all the tastier. And remember, proles, the baby eating Tories are nasty. We in Labour are decent and nice.

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  37. 104
    I don't need no doctor says:

    The argument over global warming is hotting up.

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  38. 105
    BillyBob... says:

    I am shocked and stunned that scientists and politicians tell lies, fleecing us for green taxes to make it all better !

    c*nts !

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    • 118
      Tessa Tickles says:

      Quite. I turned on the roomlights about 30 minutes ago, because the clocks went back this morning. I bet you turned your lights on, too. I bet everyone has. All those lights, all that energy. All that CO2.

      If Camoron honestly believes global warming is man-made, why aren’t we on CET?

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      • 172
        Grumpy Old Man says:

        Yes Tessa, and you turned off the lights an hour earlier this morning because the clock went back last night. The only thing Cameron honestly believes in is anything which will keep him in power long enough to qualify for a golden trough in the EU. No 10 is worth a CET.

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    • 126
      herr shicklbruger says:

      They know that if it’s a big enough lie most of the sheeple will believe it.

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  39. 106
    Tony Blair says:

    Money money money, it’s so funny, in a rich crook’s world.

    The best things in life are free, but I leave that to the proles and bees, I like money.

    Who wants to be a billionaire? I don’t! That’s because I already am.

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    • 342
      Joshua Tetley & Son says:

      “”Who wants to be a billionaire? I don’t!””

      Indeed so Tony – you’re not a poor person !!

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  40. 111
    Tony Blair says:

    I saw an injured mother lying in the street the other day. I was horrified. She’d been lying there in agony for half an hour and not a single person had stopped to steal her purse. Didn’t I teach the British people anything? I did the decent thing and took it and then told Alistair to put out a story that she’s a bad mother.

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  41. 113
    nell says:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/07/ed-miliband-climate-change-deniers

    And let’s not forget who was the biggest liar over agw of them all – well after algore that is – militwit, labour’s next would be pm.

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    • 127
      Tessa Tickles says:

      “would be PM”?

      He will be the next PM. Dave will see to that. Dave doesn’t like having the title “Worst Prime Minister in Britain’s History”, so he’s pretty desperate to pass it to Milimong as quickly as possible.

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      • 174
        Grumpy Old Man says:

        Even Dave will have to go some to take that title from the Sewer of Scotland.

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        • 222
          Tessa Tickles says:

          Oh, he’s managed it. I think borrowing billions of pounds in order to give it away to countries with space programmes and nuclear arsenals was the moment it became abundantly clear the man’s worse than Brown.

          And that was before he increased our EU contributions and sent immigration soaring to record levels.

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          • nell says:

            No Grumpy’s right no-one is going to take the ‘worst pm of all time’ title from gurninggordon.

            And militwit isn’t ever going to make pm now that he’s said one of his priorities is to take us into the euro.

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          • Failed? says:

            Being hated is part of the job description. Only once the swirling mists of petty partiality have cleared and Truth is squeezed through the wringer of History will the most pervasive Spin stand proud and tall.

            Resultingly, Churchill will place a close second next to Blair as our finest Prime Minister of the twentieth century.

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  42. 116
    Billy Bowden is the world's greatest umpire! says:

    Tomorrow Guido Fawkes will formally launch Plan B to kickstart the economy. Typically however in today’s media it has already been fully leaked in today’s Mail On Sunday.. It has some helpful (though not particularly original) ideas. It wants to stop the cuts, start a new round of quantitative easing but giving the money direct to businesses, raise benefits to ease poverty and increase demand, make tax more progressive through a financial transactions tax and a multi-tiered income tax as well as a land value tax, establish a national investment bank to make loans and lever in private investment, and green the economy by decarbonising buildings and investing in green transport and infrastructure as well as achieving a better work-life balance. All warm words from the Loony right wing perspective. But it avoids the hard issues: How is it to be paid for? How is the economy to be rebalanced from finance to industry? And how is manufacturing to be revived?

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      Ah! Monika says:

      Brilliant Billy. Not a single spelling mistake, and your longest paragraph ever. Hmmm?

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      Up the Workers says:

      Perhaps Her Majesty’s Opposition could do their job and provide some answers, rather than behaving like sarcastic 6th Formers whenever the words ‘private industry’ are pronounced in Parliament. They all hate capitalism so much, and despise the taxpayers who were forced to pay for all their thieving, freeloading and moneygrabbing for 13 years. If only they would all just sod off to Cuba or Venezuela.

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    • 446
      AC1 says:

      Ah I see you want massive inflation, massive shirking, no transactions, punish productive work, (LVT is a good idea If and only if you dump all the other taxes so it raises money idiot), a bureaucrat bank to pick winners will lose billions green is a scam, we have enough infrastructure more would be a mal-investment, maintain roads might be better.

      It sounds like you want to completely destroy the economy.

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  43. 119
    Tony Blair says:

    Making blood money is as easy as taking candy from a child. And I like taking candy from disabled children and then telling Alistair Campbell to smear the child and his parents. Jesus loves me.

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    • 133
      Tessa Tickles says:

      There are quite a few disabled children in Iraq, thanks to Tony, too.

      They weren’t born disabled, but they are disabled now. Thousands of them.

      Still, a small price to pay to get rid of those nasty WMDs. Jesus weeps with joy.

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  44. 129
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

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    • 135
      Anonymous says:

      He can be summarily dismissed as another nutjob. Next!

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    • 138
      Tessa Tickles says:

      I think whatever was good about Britain was destroyed between 1997 and 2010.

      Still, interesting that Chris Williamson (no, I’ve never heard of him before, either) hates the very people who were forced to pay for Labour’s lunacy.

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    • 169
      annette curton says:

      The glaring conclusion you must make from that statement is that Mr Williamson does not pay any tax “Quelle Surprise”.

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    • 283
      Up the Workers says:

      It’s a bit like those ‘charities’ that Andrew Gilligan discovered were funding the Guardian, Labour Party and the lawyer for the Dowler Family in their fight to bring down Murdoch. Can’t remember the names but they are packed full of Left Wingers.

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  45. 143
    old grumpy says:

    As any decent Quality Engineer will tell you, the Scientific Community is guilty of misrepresentation of random data, which is,after all, what weather data effectively is.

    The correct graphical representation is by BAR CHART.

    Then, using a standard base line, the evidence becomes very clear, as shown in a chart produced by a Pompey Uni Student some years ago………

    In the proper chart, the basis of the AGW claims can be seen to be ANOMALOUS EVENTS. No “corrections” are needed. The first data records show an anomalously LOW average temperature, while the 2002 record shows and anomalously HIGH temperature.

    Remove all the obvious anomalies (as we do in quality analyses) and the trend is clearly UP, but only by about 0.3C……… and is, this century, now dropping.

    Independent research is unnecessary. The data that the AGW Mob use is sufficient. Whether the AGW Mob like it or not, they are talking a load of BOLLOX!……… but so would you for $30billion extra in “research” funds………

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  46. 146
    Anyone for ice-hockey ? says:

    It was reported some time ago that the algorithm used to produce the infamous ‘hockey-stick’ graph was in fact designed to produce that shape no matter what numbers were fed into it.

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  47. 151
    Billy Bowden is the world's greatest umpire! says:

    Muslims against Crusades…….Scumbags

    For further information contact 07870 285 910

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    • 164
      Tessa Tickles says:

      Aren’t they about 600 years too late?

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    • 168
      The Paragnostic says:

      Now then, now then.

      Anjem wrote to “Jim’ll Fix It”, asking for martyrdom and 72 virgins.

      Well, Anjem – we’ve fixed it for you and your friends to spend the day with Millwall Football Club. They say they can help you out – out of the country, anyway.

      Next up is Showadiwadi.

      How’s about that, then?

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  48. 158
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    wonders why i attract so much abuse and emotions on here?

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  49. 180
    st fm says:

    LOl, Guido and his right wing loons…
    The guys and gals who couldnt survive if it were not for the blogosphere!

    Come on folks lets be honest here. You cannot cope with the major effects of this mankind enduced climate change on your lives or even your pointless little sprogs. So you live in cloud cuckoo land.
    Bless! :-))

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    • 186
      Adumbrater says:

      I have been coping very well thank you. The weather has been great recently.

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    • 188

      Your outpourings contribute more to AGW than the combined best efforts of India and China. Congratulations.

      Put up some valid data if you want to be taken seriously. Otherwise it must be close to your bed time. Goodnight!

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      • 404
        Celcius says:

        Cat-You asked for data. El Nino hit Valderrama for -6 today.

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        • 425

          I am most grateful to you, Celcius, for pointing this out to me. I try not to comment on matters where I know that I have no knowledge. In the case of football, what I understand may be written on the back of a postage stamp in 20-point with sufficient room to replicate the entire contents of Encylopædia Britannica (that should beat the m*d!!)

          What I do know is that he caused great upset to ManU and for that reason alone, I doff my cap to him.

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    • 200
      fishing for useful idiots says:

      They’ve got you hook, line and sinker haven’t they?

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    • 252
      AC1 says:

      You keep repeating your mantra, you have faith don’t you? You shalt cast out those evil deniers of the one truth and Algor it first profit.

      Only bureaucratic control of the economy can result in eco-heaven as the soviet union showed.

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  50. 191
    All we have is in The Here and Now. Everything else is bullshit. says:

    It is really cold today.

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    • 211
      Anonymous says:

      I’m not sure if the Californians get out very much so apart from California and perhaps Guidos office the world is definilty getting warmer. This sounds like the argument over the Triple Vaccine . Any idiot can analyse data and come up with any conclusion they want. Thats statistics for you . What you need is proper peer reviewed data carried out by respected Scientists.

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      • 236
        Squirrel Nutkin says:

        We have had a nice warm autumn, enabling all sorts of lovely fruit harvests. Of course, many trees could not have been as fruitful as they have been if we’d not had a decently cold snowy spell last winter – something we were told would not happen by the agw numbskulls

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        • 411
          chancy gardener says:

          Think you are forgetting the modern hybrids. No snow here for the last few years – lowest temp about 5C- but all apples and pears in abundance.

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          • chancy gardener says:

            Think you are forgetting the modern hybrids. No snow here for the last few years – lowest temp about 5C- but all apples and p e ars in abundance.

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  51. 193
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

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  52. 195
    Ah! Monika says:

    61 F in Manchester earlier

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  53. 214
    smoggie says:

    Don’t worry, his head hurts every morning.

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  54. 215
    The BBC's unofficial spokesperson says:

    The science is settled.
    This is the BBC talking.
    Nothing to do with pensions….

    Thank you for your money

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    • 226
      Beebeeceebies says:

      …….and now the anthropogenic global warming weather with another ethnic of uncertain origin.

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    • 251
      A Beeboid says:

      We have blown our entire £8.2 billion pension fund on AGW being real – honestly

      Remenber that when we give a pro-agw story prominence and hide anything to the contrary.

      One pension actuary is Helen Boaden – head of news…….

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  55. 217
    Anonymous says:

    Could this be as big a con as the EU itself?

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    • 230
      Tessa Tickles says:

      Could be. They’re both costing us a fortune and they’re both obviously crap, dreamt up by (every wealthier) politicians in order to screw us for as much of our money as they can.

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  56. 225
    Morville says:

    or, to put it another way, http://tamino.wordpress.com/2011/10/30/judith-curry-opens-mouth-inserts-foot/

    The Mail’s graph is pretty shameful. Wouldn’t look out of place on a Lib Dem electoral leaflet.

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  57. 232
    A Fine Pair Of Lungs says:

    It is an illusion designed to control behaviour while scrounging money from us.

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  58. 235
    Never mind the truth I'm a right winger says:

    Don’t you just hate it when journalists take up articles just to score points. You can just imagine them as they try to poke each others eyes out with half-truths until they end up blind and blinding us.

    To get a better perspective on this story, why not get it from the Prof herself?
    http://judithcurry.com/2011/10/30/mail-on-best/#more-5526

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    • 243
      Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

      Nah, we will make up our own minds, If al Gore praticed what he preached i might believe it a bit, but he is a hypocrite and therefore knows he is talking shit.

      He is a politicon afterall.

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    • 244
      Squirrel Nutkin says:

      I don’t hate it as much as the way scientists have been poking the public’s eyes out with half-truths regarding these issues for the past few years.

      I read her blog post. Not very illuminating and apparently not-peer reviewed.

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    • 363
      Anonymous says:

      I particularly liked this comment supporting the Prof.

      “Thanks, Professor Curry, for having the courage to state clearly the unvarnished facts.

      The AGW story is promoted by skilled propaganda artists with almost unlimited resources. Be prepared for “unexpected” attacks.

      Hang in there! The forces using government science for propaganda will not be deterred unless you stay spiritually strong.

      What a sad day for science and all those caught in this quagmire!”

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  59. 237
    Moley. says:

    It’s interesting to speculate as to when and how Greenland got its name.

    At one time, Greenland was obviously green, and when it was green, it didn’t have anything to do with Al Gore, or CO2, although it was undoubtedly an “inconvenient truth”.

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    • 246
      Squirrel Nutkin says:

      I think it is a translation from the Old Norse. The Viking colonists who went there, mainly from Iceland were farmers.

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        MadVikingBastard says:

        The name Greenland (Grænland in Old Norse and modern Icelandic, Grønland in modern Danish and Norwegian) has its roots in this colonization and is attributed to Erik the Red (the modern Inuit call it Kalaallit Nunaat, meaning “Land of the Kalaallit (Greenlanders)”). There are two written sources on the origin of the name, in The Book of Icelanders (Íslendingabók), a historical work dealing with early Icelandic history from the 12th century, and in the medieval Icelandic saga, The Saga of Eric the Red (Eiríks saga rauða), which is about the Norse settlement in Greenland and the story of Erik the Red in particular. Both sources write: “He named the land Greenland, saying that people would be eager to go there if it had a good name.” Although there is no special reason to doubt the authority of this information, it should always be borne in mind that the sagas embody the literary preoccupations of writers and audiences in medieval Iceland, and they cannot always be treated as reliable sources for the history of Norse Greenland.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Greenland

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          Susie says:

          Who was Noggin the Nog then?

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          • MadVikingBastard says:

            “Listen to me and I will tell you the story of Noggin the Nog, as it was told in the days of old…” or “In the lands of the North, where the Black Rocks stand guard against the cold sea, in the dark night that is very long the Men of the Northlands sit by their great log fires and they tell a tale… and those tales they tell are the stories of a kind and wise king and his people; they are the Sagas of Noggin the Nog. Welcome to Northlands, a tribute to Noggin, King of the Nogs and the People of the Northlands.”
            Visually, it was primarily inspired by the Lewis chessmen (of Norse origin), in fact one story is about Noggin playing chess with Nogbad the Bad.

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          • smoggie says:

            Eee I loved that when I were a lad. And these days we have Teletubbies.

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      PR_LDN says:

      The vikings named it Greenland to encourage people to settle there. It was propaganda. It was always ice and should presumably remain ice, if the earth temperature doesn’t increase by a couple of degrees.

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        MadVikingBastard says:

        It has coastal farming communities that are ice free for about 6 months each year. The medieval warming period was it’s best time, until the present era built on fishing and now soon to be oil.

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        Erik the Red says:

        Fascinating answer. Are you one of those lying climate scientists who do it for a living or are you simply a person who will tell lies as an amateur because ‘climate change’ is now part of their ‘religion’?

        Excavations show that there were hundreds of farms in Greenland and considerable birch woods with birch trees up to 4 to 6 meters high in the area around the inner parts of the Tunuliarfik- and Aniaaq-fjords, the central area of the Eastern settlement. The hills were grown with grass and willow brushes. The place was settled and farmed for some 500 years, but obviously, if you want to believe the Greenlanders fed their cows on ice, who would I be to dissuade you with some evidence to the contrary?

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          AC1 says:

          Ruins of around 600 farms have been found in the two settlements, 500 in the Eastern settlement, 95 in the Western settlement, and 20 in the Middle. This was a significant colony (the population of modern Greenland is only 56,000) and it carried on trade in ivory from walrus tusks with Europe as well as exporting rope, sheep, seals and cattle hides according to one 13th century account.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Greenland

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  60. 245
    Common Sense says:

    If AGw is a done & dusted deal, why do we spend billions on “research” – or are we just spending billions on justifying paying cameron’s father-in-law £1000 of nicely laundered tax-payer money every day?

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      Lou Scannon says:

      Don’t forget that we have to fund the Indian space programme via ‘overseas aid’. No doubt that counts as part of the ‘research’ you mention.

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        Tessa Tickles says:

        That’s not for research, it’s just a small price to pay to make us all “proud”.

        Like funding Pakistan’s nuclear weapons programme. Should the day come when Pakistan actually uses those nukes, Camoron will no doubt pop up on TV, to tell us all how proud we should be.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Lets remember that this all came about after the Stearn report which was published after Labour had increased spending, It gave Labour a excuse to rasie taxes.

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    • 264
      Tessa Tickles says:

      I honestly don’t think Labour needs an excuse to raise taxes, since they regard every worker’s paycheque as the lawful property of the Socialist State.

      Labour might as well rename themselves as the “We’re Going To Financially Rape You” Party.

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        Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

        TT

        One left wing site wants to raise income tax to 40% on lowest paid, they believe paying tax is a good thing!

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          Tessa Tickles says:

          I don’t doubt it. Gordon Brown, the stupid cunt of a Chancellor who doubled the rate of income tax for the poorest workers, repeatedly said that “tax-cuts take money out of the economy.”

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          • Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

            I am a right winger and believe in low ax for everyone.

            However under equality laws can you discrimnat on the grounds of wealth?

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          • Tessa Tickles says:

            I guess it depends on who makes the equality laws and who wants to do the discriminating.

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          AC1 says:

          You don’t pay tax, it’s extorted from you.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

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      BillyBob... says:

      Billy Billy Billy…… the more you have the less you pay out…… just ask Pressa or Mr Harperson :)

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      Tessa Tickles says:

      That’s a rhetorical question, Billy. No-one who works in the HoC has anything whatsoever in common with the taxpayer. There’s only a synergy: they make a fucking huge mess of everything, and we have to clean it all up.

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      Red Ed says:

      Fuck all?

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      nell says:

      poor old militwit must be feeling a bit miffed about that £8.5million house musn’t he? The best he can afford from his marxists father’s estate is a£1.5million house.

      Amazing how none of them can tell us precisely where their money comes from!!

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      Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

      Good

      the bloke should not have been fined £50

      “I despise what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it”

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        BillyBob... says:

        hmmmmmm and what crispy doughnut did you defend them on ??

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      • 296
        BillyBob... says:

        perhaps they have a nice society they could f*ck off and live in ??

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          Tessa Tickles says:

          They’ve turned their own part of the world into a miserable pigsty, so now they’ve come to do the same over here. Whilst claiming benefits.

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        • 299
          Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

          any censorship removes freedom, like i said i despise what they say but will defend to the death thier right to say it, If you remove or ban protests just because you disagree with them then there is no freedom.

          “first they came for …….”

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          • BillyBob... says:

            yeah……. moo ham heed was a kiddie fiddler and they just looooooove lickle boys !!

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          • Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

            We have higher standards

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          • BillyBob... says:

            standards?? and ooman rights ?? where the f*ck did that get us ?? ;)

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          • BillyBob... says:

            I doubt you have lived in any of these countries where they or the religion originated ??

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          • Tessa Tickles says:

            When they allow pubs, churches and synagogues to be built in Mecca and Medina, I’ll listen to them. Until then, they can fuck right off.

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          • Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

            the point is, here we have the freedom of speech and the freedom of expression and protest (yes i know ) and therefore it should be open to everyone even if we disagree, what happens in thier countries is down to them and thier “democrcay”.

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          • Judge Dreadful says:

            They should be free to say what they want – from the security of their prison cells.

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          • The wizz says:

            Why not throw rashers of bacon at them? After all it is part of being English and the full monty English breakfast is a must.

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        The Paragnostic says:

        Will you defend to the death my right to kick the living shit out of the bastards for disrespecting our war dead, Billy?

        One day soon, Anjem Choudary is going to get his just desserts – I hope he’s mafe his peace with the meteorite they worship.

        Sorry, but those cunts really are indefensible.

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          Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

          I disagree

          The freedom of speech/protest involes the freedom to offend.

          Freedom is messy, buts its better government than state controlled speech and thought.

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          • The Paragnostic says:

            Fair enough, but the freedom to offend must stop before a breach of the peace is caused.

            Would love to see MAC try it in Aldershot – there aren’t enough coppers in Hampshire to protect them if they did.

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    BillyBob... says:

    These people are what will keep us ready for ………

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    BillyBob... says:

    the objectors and demonstrators… that is :)

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      BillyBob... says:

      hmmmmmmmm just need a loose cannon to slot a few…….of course I could not possibly agree with such conduct, but I have to defend the right of those offended by such conduct, to do so :)

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    Tony Blair says:

    Me and Cherie like to watch footage of dead Iraqis. It’s the least we can do after all the money they’ve made us. Our last shopping spree in New York was worth a good dozen or so Iraqis who are now a shade of crispy.

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  68. 295
    I hate Blue Labour says:

    Not news to anyone that isn’t a lib dem or frequently wears sandals and socks.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

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    Mikis says:

    I won’t believe it until I see it on the BBC and in the Guardian!

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  71. 330
    Herman Van Rompuy says:

    OK so our carbon tax scam is unravelling

    There is far more oxygen in the atmosphere, so we hereby declare oxygen usage by the plebs is VATable at a rate of 1 Euro/breath. According to the best science, this will recover the lost tax on carbon dioxide being exhaled, and allow us to carry on in the style to which we have become accustomed

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  72. 332
    nell says:

    I find it very hard , when I look at people like algore, militwit or huhne, spouting on about agw, to understand why anyone would believe a word they say.

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      Prescott Fist of Stupidity says:

      And not realising his card was cloned and taxpayers ripped off regardless is some kind of excuse. Pretty stupid excuse sort of comes across like “I didn’t know that my cards were cloned and the taxpayer ripped off and probably still are”.

      Stupid and atypical of labour. Overpaid trouser presser and tea boy.

      All govt credit cards receipts over the last 10 years should be subject to scrutiny and validation. Let’s start with B Liars

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    • 348
      Excuses-R-Us says:

      Of course. And his dog had eaten the original.

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      Excuses-R-Us says:

      So is he saying he didn’t go to Australia?

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      • 379
        Mammoth Fart says:

        Perhaps he was cloned and the card is the only one that really exists. Doesn’t bear thinking about does it?

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        nell says:

        So is he saying he didn’t spend all that credit card money in Mr Chu’s in Hull, that restaurant that he owns a share in?

        Think, since they know him so well, that they might have noticed if anyone but him was handing over the credit card don’t you?

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      WVM says:

      The Latest YouGov poll.
      LibDems 8%
      UKIP 7%

      LOL.

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        nell says:

        Indeed – and that’s after cleggie’s speech that said the 75% of us who want the eu brought into line or kicked out completely are idiots and that he is the ultimate oracle in what is right for us.

        And according to him the eu and the euro are our destiny (not to mention that’s where the uk needs to be so his wife , like bliar’s, can earn the maximum amount of money)!!

        If he keeps on along that line the libdums vote will be falling to 5% and they’ll be staring innihalation in the face before the next election.

        So yes cleggie please keep on along that line and take militwit, who wants to take us into the euro, with you!!

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          Tessa Tickles says:

          Clegg and the LimpDims are weird. If I ran a political party that never ever won elections, and which had no popular support, I wouldn’t strut around telling everyone that they are thick and I’m actually really supremely clever.

          But Clegg does. The LimpDims will disband within 4 years, penniless and dejected after the next election and Clegg will retire on a big fat ministerial pension.

          I hope he then gets cancer.

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      Well it's a thought says:

      Oh dear how awful nobody believes his drivel, the drip drip drip is getting to the tosser.

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  75. 349
    Shush. The BBC says:

    This story has gone global. For most informed people this is the topic of the day.

    Except for the BBC.

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    • 352
      Aunty Beeb says:

      We are currently working on a new religion to peddle. Normal service will be resumed right after this advert for paying your TV licence.

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      • 357
        WVM says:

        Oh look!

        A new easy way to pay socialists to brainwash us and our children with left-wing propaganda, quick love, get my VISA card and grab the cordless now!

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  76. 354
    Saif al Islam says:

    Whwn I am questioned at The Hague I will have many intersting things to say about my good friend Tony Blair.

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      nell says:

      Oh and your best friend mandy and the nate club and the straw man and gordon who were sooo helpful to you. And let’s not forget all those lovely people at uni who wrote your thesis for you, for a price of course.

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    fact checking dept. says:

    The axes on the chartsa re designed to mislead. Why cant we have a graph showing the unadjsuted data for temperatures each year. We could then have a graph showing tem change year to year, and perhaps ones with say 5, 10 and 20 year moving averages. All on the same x axis. Just a thought.

    Obviuously the basis of the data (ie a single temperature figure for the whole globe for a year) also needs abit of questioning……

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      Tessa Tickles says:

      I’ve an idea for a chart. Do you remember that scene in Airplane! where Leslie Nielsen is telling the passengers that the plane is absolutely fine, there’s no danger, etc etc, and all the time he’s speaking his nose is growing longer and longer?

      Well, we need a graph of Camoron’s nose as he tells us we’ve got to pay more ‘green tax’ because if man-made global warming, and we want a similar graph of Chris Huhne’s nose as he tells us our electricity bills have to go up 20% because of “man made climate change”, likewise Nick Clegg and Ed Milimong’s protestations about ‘vital tax rises’ to fund windmills.

      Then we can clearly see, by comparing nose-graphs, which of these cunts is the biggest liar.

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  78. 361
    Mrs Thatcher says:

    Unlike Mr Blair, after I left office, I stayed in the country I led and I didn’t spend all my time around the world making millions in blood money. And yet I’m the one who gets called evil.

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      Apart from the sacks of money you took from tobacco pushers Philip Morris. And the sacks of money sponged from the taxpayer once you were feeble. And the support you offered for war in Iraq when you wrote “Statecraft”.

      Politicians. The more they claim to be different, the more they are exactly the fucking same.

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  79. 365
    Derek Draper says:

    This research – was it done at Berkeley or in Berkeley?

    That can matter sometimes.

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    nell says:

    saif tonight is apparently in zimbabwe in a palace his father built some years ago.

    It’s where the entire remaining gaddafi clan should end up – one of the roughest places on earth – very appropriate. But of course they may find themselves unwanted even there once the elderly mugabe has followed gaddafi the elder to the devil. And it won’t be long.

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      Parsley says:

      Tower Hamlets makes Zimbabwe look like Utopia.

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        nell says:

        Hmmm.

        education, access to the nhs, running water and flushing loos.

        There isn’t much if any of that in any place in zimbabwe now that ole mugabe has finished asset stripping it.

        His wife last heard of was on a £20million shopping trip to new york and hasn’t been home in a long time!!

        socialism. isn’t it grand!!

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        Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

        Both countries are printing money.

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          nell says:

          indeed.

          but zimbabweans can’t even afford a loaf of bread with their week’s wages and are genuinely starving. Not that mugabe cares.

          It was once a thriving country with thriving industry and agriculture and now it can’t even feed itself.

          mugabe’s socialism has done this to it. socialism really is a true evil of our time!

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        Posty Votey says:

        That’s not fair. The residents of Tower Hamlets are not constrained to one man one vote.

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    Billy Bowden is the world's greatest umpire! says:

    Wants to have sex with Gary Barlow. That is all.

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    Anonymous says:

    I agree with global warming, in fact I am positively looking forward to growing bananas in the back garden and having coffee beans below the verandah.Having no heating bills (OK, maybe a bit of air-conditioning) to worry about , with luck natural canabis will flourish as it does in the upland forests of the DR Congo.

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      nell says:

      well I was hopeful and I set fig trees and grapes and all sorts.

      But alas last year we had the coldest winter for a decade and this year is set to be even colder.

      the uea and the met are still issuing hysterical nonsense that we’ll be experiencing spring sunshine at xmas and the like, rising seas and east anglia turning into a desert …….

      They are beginning to sound increasingly demented!!

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  84. 373
    Richard Black says:

    I am the MAN(n) who decides what the BBC reports on climate “science”. This will not be tolerated in any BBC outlet.

    Fuck off Fawkes.

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    nell says:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/oct/24/peter-mandelson-associate-corruption-charge

    personal pal of mandy and bliar charged with bribery and corruption.

    what a surprise!

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    Tony Blair says:

    Sorry, Saif, but I can’t take you in. I’ve told everyone I never did deals with your father. And I can’t have you going round telling people that I did. Just stay calm and tell me where you are. Someone will be along to help you. And if you have any files or papers, please leave them on a table so my friend can take them, I mean look at them.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    @The para somethig (sorry a bit pissed)

    Yes, imagine if we had a far left Nazi government , who would they ban? anyone that disagreed.

    We should be better than that.

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    The Piss Soaked Tramp Formally Known As TAT! says:

    IF AGW IS REAL WHY DID AL GORE BUY A NEW MANSION ON THE COAST……

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      nell says:

      al gore has dpdgy friends like mandy and bliar.

      Here are some of Al’s business associates:

      convicted cocaine smuggler Jose Cabrera
      Howard Glicken, who admitted soliciting and laundering foreign campaign contributions
      Franklin Haney, indicted for illegal campaign contributions………………………..

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    ali says:

    ‘seen only by fools deceived by charlatans’ . Classic.

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    saffron says:

    This global warming crap has to be one of the biggest scams ever.
    Computer generated data on this conforms to the GIGO principle ie:-garbage in = garbage out.
    Feckin Gore said a while ago that the temperature beneath the surface of the earth at a depth of 3 to 4 hundred metres was some ridiculous couple of hundred degrees.
    I at the time posted that he needs to tell South African miners this as according to him they all should be dead.
    All this global warming crap suddenly changed to to CLIMATE CHANGE, should have had the warning bells clanging endlessly.
    Maybe just maybe the worlds crippled taxpayers are cottoning on to this absolute unashamed rip off of their money.
    The ruling classes and their paid lackeys are playing a dangerous game here which I sincerely hope ends their activities.

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      nell says:

      The temperature under the earth’s surface is determined by the earth’s core.

      The temperature above the earth’s surface is determined by the earth’s cycles, and it’s inter-reaction with other planets in the system and particularly with the sun.

      Unfortunately the truth won’t stop the likes of algore and prezza touring the world , talking drivel about global warming and hoping to make millions in the process.

      Anybody got a picture of that house algore has bought on the beach at miami in the ‘expectation of rising seas’ !!?

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      AC1 says:

      >Computer generated data on this conforms to the GIGO principle ie:-garbage in = garbage out

      No. It’s actually much worse than that.

      Near Accurate data into near accurate model
      Recurse
      Recurse
      Recurse
      Recurse
      Recurse
      Recurse
      Garbage out.
      It’s called EXPONENTIAL ERROR. Google it.

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  91. 448
    John Prescott says:

    Hey lad. All the methane from me farts is bad for the environment.

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  92. 450
    John Prescott says:

    I only spent £195 at Prêt à Manger today. That’s a huge reduction from my usual £240. I’m watching my figure.

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    Rain and shine says:

    Weather when its cold, climate when its hot.

    Simples, really…. and whatever happens merely proves that it’s all so unpredictable. Unlike several hundred years ago when you knew that every September 16th was without fail drizzly and every May 7th was fine but overcast. Oh, if only we could go back to those wonderful days…

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    Money for nothing and chicks for free says:

    Green taxes a scam, you say… Bah! Exposed!

    Very well then, you leave us no option. You will be taxed in other ways. We will start with taxing the tinterwebs, reintroduce Selective Employment Tax (extra payments to us if you have one), revive the window tax, put VAT on VAT (really neat that one, as paying it is a ‘service’) and lots of other things you wouldn’t believe but we haven’t thought of yet.

    But we will!

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    • 454
      Tessa Tickles says:

      How about a re-introduction of a beard tax?

      That’ll fuck Gordon Brown off.

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      not a machine says:

      No journo has gone over the CO2 tax scam properly yet , have we forgot the millions embezzeled (quite a bit in EU) in these schemes , the offset ones , where trees were never planted everytime you had a guilty flight .

      There is an important green/energy/resources debate , but its body sure is getting buried at night under the patio by perhaps dark methods

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      • 461
        Tessa Tickles says:

        “No journo has gone over the CO2 tax scam properly yet”

        No, and they won’t. They’re too busy waiting for the next “Google Doodle”, or following Twitter so they can copy and paste whatever crap they find interesting, or they’re waiting with baited-breath for a new iPhone or iPad to be released.

        Journalists? Gone. All we’ve got now are a bunch of lazy semi-literate tossers, and the newspaper proprietors are scratching their stupid pointy heads wondering why sales are drying up.

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    not a machine says:

    Some times I cant even bare to think ,how come us armchair scientists were so done over , it all made perfect sense we are burning loads of stuff from the carbon cycle long ago and making it into heat light and CO2 , it is true that we are adding to the current carbon cycle , what was totally wonk was that it was causing global warming , the sun is the biggest signal , bar massive asteroid strike or super volcanic eruption .

    Unfortunately though I was not so quick to spot the greater eco crimes going off , we have lost rainforest (still biggest o2 producing system) major river deltas have been polluted to toxic soups , and dangerous stuff still gets dumped in porous burial facilities , with few questions asked .

    In this country we have actually manged to clean up some land and rivers , but its a long haul for our rivers considering how we used to treat them . In the end what does get dumped into ocean eventually rains onto us and land .

    Of course you take this kinda talk down to the city , and they consider pollution a small price to pay (soon be running out of sourced from the cleanest waters though so perhaps they will take a little more notice then !), although a couple of banks specialise in full spectrum eco analysis.

    The weird thing is that Dave and George had eco intentions , and now we have growth intentions , it is this rather sort of switch position that many groups have questioned , George and Greg clarke have gone a little further in being unable to explain if removing the analysis circutry in planning , to er “assumption of growth” is really that smart a move , indeed not only have certain groups shouted very clearly , but now even some councils are questioning if Dave George and Gregs position is erm sound .
    I really dont know if they can articulate what they see as best or right in the green debate , and more to the point , there is a suspicion that some bloody awful projects are intended once everyone votes as told . So dire has been any parliamentary debate I was wondering if any of them understand , why giving proper assurances is a matter of modern competencey , rather than crude frontier capitalism .
    To reduce the green debate to somthing needing legal objection to be negated , so some projects can be built , so fast , that no other considerations take place is just bonkers , but that is how they have spoken and now almost irrepairably sound as the partys view of green thinking .

    HS2 has proved ecnomically unsound , Carbon capture more so while projects like agricultural reservoir capacity go into the long grass .There was some bad news on wind turbines actual output (although I dont blame them for those already built) . I mean 18 months in and we have wonk grand green projects rightly rubbished , and then legislation is concocted that will allow just about any wonk project going to be built without any question being put through with a steely detremination , to crush any consideration to enviroment.

    We shall see what Dave is thinking , but I think before any of this really gets going , Dave ,George should answer some questions on eco competancey on camera , because if it is true that some are the planned projects , are , how shall i put it ignorant of reasonable analysis , then they should be held to account . It is no use saying after “we didnt intend that sort of project to occure ” when they had all the info to make such a consideration before hand .

    It is true there has been a lot of funded cockwaffle in the green debate , but it is alarming , when a minister declines to answer a question , about the suitability or even technological fit of what they propose . The record so far isnt very good , and it is wholly wrong to consider every green analysis as some sort of negative on the economy , as pointed out , putting more land into food use , would have a greater long term positive inflationary effect , than taking it out of agricultural use , and yet none of these subtle quality analysis questions are put forward to any of them to answer .

    If this annoucement is full of as many holes as the last ones on the enviroment and energy , they will not win , because they should not win on a very importatnt lack of integrity of analysis , and so far hes had a light ride , and those questions will come thick and fast as soon as it is obvious , proper analysis has not occured . Some of us in the green debate may be a little shocked at this governments approach and consider it an unfortuante mistake so far badly handled , but our ears are attentive , we need to reciprocate before any damage is done , and we need on record the reasoning for certain projects , just so that we can be sure , that the erm more “transparent and local” era of goverment is with us , and not some lobbiests /mp le grand stich up that long term does not serve the people.

    Larry the eco cat is distressed so far , but no bagpuss on a pre election promise or lack of proper analysis

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    N Ron Hubbard says:

    As my old mother used to say, if you really want to make a mint the quickest way is to start your own religion. Al, my boy, I’m proud of you.

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  97. 471
    albacore says:

    “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”
    Well, after 18 months of fudge and mudge and huffing and puffing, would either species want to claim Dave and his happy, clappy, rubber Tories?

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  98. 472
    Tom says:

    Has anyone noticed that the two time-scales don’t match?

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    • 473
      Lou Scannon says:

      They sure have. Nonetheless, the fact is that the bottom graph is dead flat apart from statistical ‘noise’. Also, there is an overlap with the top graph which shows a rise in the overlap period. This is overwhelming evidence that the rise in the upper graph is completely bogus.

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  99. 475
    At 8% in the polls that is a very brave decision Deputy Prime Minister says:

    Tory Grassroots give “Dave” an ultimatum(sort of) Time to give Clegg an ultimatum….either shut up on Europe or walk…..

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055493/Tories-tell-Cameron-grip-Clegg-fury-flies-comments-Europe.html

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    • 478
      nell says:

      Well I’m no paid up member of any political party – but I’d agree with that.

      It’s time cameron stamped his authority on this government and told cleggie, huhne and cable to shut up or walk.

      I prefer walk – then we’d get another election and hopefully and proper tory government.

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  100. 484
    Greg Tingey says:

    LIAR Guido

    The planet is getting warmer.

    If you were a gardener, you’d notice.

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  101. 490
    intensive care says:

    Both graphs confirm that the planet as a patient isn’t dying but as sure as sh*t ain’t healthy.

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  102. 491
    dahontr3 says:

    waiting to hear that climate sceptics prove that the earth is flat

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    • 502
      What's up cock says:

      What is a “climate sceptic”??? What you mean is people who are sceptical of AGW – don’t you – you silly sod???
      It was sceptics who proved the Earth was round – but I won’t let that bother your warped view…

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  103. 501
    What's up cock says:

    Hey everyone! The fairies at the bottom of the garden keep telling Greg Tingey that AGW is real – poor little tosser…!

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  104. 503
    Lies, damn lies and statistics says:

    Are you lot really as stupid as you seem? What the hell are those two graphs supposed to represent?

    The scales are completely different…

    Graph one shows global temperatures over 200 years, Graph two shows the same, but over a decade.

    Duh….

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  105. 505
    Forlornehope says:

    Don’t really know why I bother, but from Judith Curry’s blog:

    “This exercise simply shows that the decadal fluctuations are too large to allow us to make decisive conclusions about long term trends based on close examination of periods as short as 13 to 15 years. ” Which I agree with.

    So, no big story.

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  106. 508
    So much Stupidity, So Little Time says:

    So Guido you use a different scale on the X-Axis and even fail to note that 74 out of 75 datapoints are above the average line on it. In fact most of them are nearly 1.5oC above the average. If ever there is stark proof of why this should be left to people who know their arse from their elbow this blog post is it. You’re trying to figure out what a tree is by staring at a single leaf. Sadly many of your little (dia)tribe of followers will drag this off to their little cave.

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    • 510
      What's up cock says:

      So Stupid – Hunt!
      Fraudulent Science for zealous Cults!
      Proves nothing except natural variability so stick that up your bumhole!

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  107. 512
    Anonymous says:

    Guido…really…. You’re great at the parliamentary sleaze stuff. You understand that – and more power to your elbow. But every now and again you make yourself look like a bit of a twit by getting something so obviously wrong in a field you’re really not qualified to comment on….and it does harm to your credibility as a political observer of some merit.

    No national scientific body believes that global warming is in question – fact. If you believe that is the consequence of some sort of great [ left wing ] conspiracy, then you’re putting yourself in the same categgory as the sort of people who believe that the Lizard people are in charge….

    Stick to Westminster and sleaze….

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  108. 513
    A wanker from the BBC says:

    Some people seem to be confused on a couple of points.

    1)The science is settled. Here at the BBC we shall not be entertaining any climate sceptic viewpoints.

    2)The difference between climate and weather. The following are manifestations of AGW on the climate:

    Hot Summers, average Summers. mild Winters, average Winters.

    Heavy rainfall, flooding, lack of rain, snow, lack of snow, hailstones.

    No wind at all, breezes, storms, gales, hurricanes, typhoons, tornados.

    The following are weather events and nothing to do with the climate:

    Any period of unseasonable or severe coldness.

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  109. 514
    TGF UKIP says:

    A little frankness from you would not come amiss here, Guido. It is your government which is going further, much further, than Labour did with energy policies based on this discredited nonsense. It wasn’t Brown or Red Ed who introduced a Carbon Floor price to oblige and present a windfall to a French state company, EDF, and Sir Reginald Sheffield, it was your pals Cameron and Osborne.

    Neither was it Red Ed nor Brown who introduced Electricity Market Reforms at whose centre is not only the lavish consumer paid subsidies to wind and nuclear (EDF again) but “Capacity Payments” to subsidize conventional generators to keep their plants idle when the wind does actually blow.

    But there again I guess neither Red Ed nor Brown had a father in law with a windfarm nor a bang of City mates with a financial interest in carbon trading.

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  110. 517
    Paddy says:

    The very basic problem that I have with this data is that the measurement is clearly very fragile. Think about what “global average temperature” means here.

    In Australia it can be +40C while simultaneously in Russia it can be -40. While I can understand that a measurement could be made by taking the weighted sum of a network of thermometers or from data from thermal cameras, there is always a wide deviation from the mean at any one time.

    More sensibly, if we look into segmenting the world into regions based on their local ecosystems and temperature profiles we could come up with the temperature trends over sensibly-labelled regions. For example, we could classify each local region with a description “tundra”, “forest”, “steppe” Arctic wasteland”, “industrialised urban” and so forth and measure the temperature using remote sensors or weather stations.

    Trying to monitor the temperature evolution of these regions is thus doable.

    More complicated is the CO2 measurement. CO2 is a trace gas in the atmosphere and is a natural by-product of breathing. Regions with a lot of people, cars, industry and livestock will have higher CO2 output than in the forests of Sweden or Siberia. At best, we can estimate the fraction of CO2 output resulting from inefficient industrial activity (as opposed to efficient industrial activity and breathing), but it is always going to have errors in each regional output.

    Then finally, if we do observer an increase in CO2 emissions in certain parts of the world, how can we trace the movement of it? Ideally we want a grid of temperature data from “like” regions and an estimate of the ambient CO2 at any one time. How though this can show us any conclusions about temperature rises in different regions is a very large system of equations and it is not obvious.

    The reason that this is a major issue is because our parliament has voted through projects with a negative projected payback in nominal terms in order to fix a “problem” that is nowhere near thoroughly researched.

    This is akin to the medieval princes buying lead and chicken droppings because someone persuaded them it might be possible to make gold.

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    • 520
      What's up cock says:

      But lo and behold – they have suddenly come to their thick sculls that they are on the fast track to bankruptcy! Cue screeching of brakes and changes of policy because there’s no money for all that LHUHNEACY!!!

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  111. 525
    Half eyed Scottish idiot says:

    One climate scientist has been caught telling porkies.

    http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2011/10/12/questions-for-katharine/

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  112. 526
    Rightallalong says:

    If ‘the science is settled’, then what are they doing still studying it ?

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  113. 527
    MB. says:

    A friend in the US says that Curry is funded by Koch Industries.

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  114. 534
    Trumpeter Lanfried says:

    In fairness to George Monbiot, he did make an immediate and unequivocal call for the resignation of Professor Jones at the UEA Climate Change team.

    (Maybe somebody said this already? I don’t have time to read all the posts.)

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  115. 536
    Anonymous says:

    It would be interesting to know if any oil money finds it’s way into Guido’s pockets.

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  116. 537
    Anonymous says:

    Liar liar pants on fire.

    I notice you choose 2001 as your starting point, not the nice round number 2000. Because 2001 is a higher temperature than 2000, you get your flat plot. If you’d chosen 2000, you’d have an upward slope.

    Choosing a local maxima as a starting point is a good way to argue the data is not warming. In 3 or 4 years as we approach the maximum in the current solar cycle you’ll look like an utter fool.

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    • 538
      Skeptic says:

      Why 2000? Choose 1998 and you will have a REALLY downward slope.

      Why have a fixed point anyway?

      Use a running average and the slope has been most definitely DOWN – due apparently to the Chinese burning coal, which causes warming when we burn it!!!

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