October 27th, 2011

Pilgrims Harangued

Guido is waiting for the video, but last night’s adjournment debate was certainly one of the more lively ones in recent history. Instead of a backbencher and a Minister discussing seagulls, Aidan Burley’s rampage against the “Spanish practices of taxpayer-funded trade union officials pulled a solid crowd and sent Labour’s union heavies off the scale. Eric Pickles appeared on the frontbench which is a good sign that he will keep his promises…

Burley’s whole speech is here and well worth a read, especially given that the term Pilgrim has now been cemented in official record:

By way of an example, the excellent, independent and non-taxpayer funded campaigning website order-order, or the Guido Fawkes blog, has been highlighting the practice of paying union officials out of the taxpayer purse. Following its campaign, full-time taxpayer-funded trade union officials have become known as “Pilgrims” in the media, after Guido Fawkes exposed one such full-time union rep named Jane Pilgrim as a full-time trade union organiser working in the NHS for Unison. She came to public attention in 2011 after criticising the Government’s health policies. Despite being billed as a nurse, she was found to be a full-time trade union official, being paid £40,000 by the hospital. She is now under investigation by both St George’s hospital and Unison for running a private health consultancy—called The Pilgrim Way—on the side, creating a conflict of interests. As the website states: “There is no justification for the taxpayer paying a lobbying organisation to fight for an unsustainable mess in the interests of a vocal minority group. We don’t pay the arms dealers and the tobacco lobbyists’ staffing bills”.

Guido is tempted to bike a copy of Hansard down to St Georges Tooting…


169 Comments

  1. 1
    jabbathecat says:

    Lol…official recognition, control the cranial swellings Guido.

  2. 2
    Handycock says:

    I don’t see what’s wrong with the taxpayer funding Union Reps. It used to fund me when I was one. I haven’t been in the House recently, because I have not been very well. The truth is they will all take the piss out of me so I am staying away.

  3. 3
    Sir William Waad says:

    My mechanic Wayne says it reminds him of British Leyland in the late 70s, with the shop stewards barricaded into a section of the factory floor where they spent most of the day eating chips, drinking tea, reading the Sun and sending young Wayne on errands to the betting shop. Every now and then they would bring the lads out on a wildcat strike, just to show everybody who was the boss, usually on a Friday afternoon.

    The public sector is 30 or more years behind the times in this respect.

  4. 4
    Ah! Monika says:

    Yesterday the Commons, today the Sun, where next. But who is doing all this Guido?

  5. 5
    Zweistein says:

    I want funding to defend my own interests, it’s my right.

  6. 6
    Ah! Monika says:

    Ah! Monika says:
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    October 27, 2011 at 8:56 am
    Yesterday the Commons, today the Sun, where next. But who is doing all this Guido or P@ul?

  7. 7
    simon says:

    Will labour at their next conference give Jane Pilgrim an award for services to the labour Party?!

  8. 8
    Ah! Monika says:

    Guido, next a petition to force MPs to turn up to the House for a minimum number of Divisions ( no one in mind of course) or face deselection

  9. 9
    Joe Pubic says:

    I watched his speech, at the point where he mentioned Order Order, there was a little cheer from the government benches.

    Good work Guido.

  10. 10
    Ah! Monika says:

    +1

  11. 11
    The TUC says:

    Do it Guido – and congatulations for exposing this racket

  12. 12
    John Prescott says:

    Nothing wrong in eating chips, reading the Sun, getting others to do the work and stirring up a strkie, lad.

  13. 13
    tomfiglio says:

    We may not pay the tobacco lobbyists’ staffing bills, but via the CAP we’re still paying 4,000 euro per hectare to tobacco farmers in Spain.

  14. 14
    Moddy Botty says:

    Guido when are you going to put up for election, you would be able to put them all right, how can the tories survive without you, Cammers would be shaking in his boots, no old boy, hail fellow well met and other niceties, a lad from a London Comp, shooting from the hip, reaching up the greasy pole of politics, you would rule them with a rod of iron, no kick backs (tax funded), reduced MPs expenses, no lobby kick backs, my would’t you be the popular one?

  15. 15
    Mike Pollard says:

    As a Unite representative, im proud “To be a PILGRIM”

  16. 16
    Moddy Botty says:

    As a non smoker why pay subsidies to tobacco farmers (the Yanks pay their farmers so the Spanish lot want the same) when there is such a demand for wheat, barley and other foods people need food to live, they don’t tobacco to live, except probably Ken Clark.

  17. 17
    Pissed off voter says:

    Congratulations Guido on a job well done. Still a way to go but without your promotion this would have continued and probably even expanded. Great work.

  18. 18
    Ed ( rest of name withheld ) says:

    I uthed to like the thun until it thwopped thideth. Now ith gathley and Newth Internathional are rotterth.

  19. 19
    Jacqui Smith says:

    Over my dead and fat body.

  20. 20
    Moddy Botty says:

    The work of the HR departments would increase no end if employees have to straight to them, I can just see the malcontents putting in their requests, still there could be also an increase in whistle blowing on malpractices

  21. 21
    You got more mouth than a cows got cunt says:

    One simple solution to this is to get the unions to reimburse the public body for the salary costs of the union rep. Job done. I should be in PR.

  22. 22
    Wheeltapper and Shunters Social Club Annual Outing says:

    AND not to forget the wonderful old 1970’s “Spanish Custom” of the Closed-Shop…..one man drilled the hole,another man put the bolt into the hole, another put on the nut,another handed the wrench to another man who tightened the nut….wonderful…and they wonder why the British Car Industry went to the wall…………..could it be that the Japanes employed one to their six…….made cheaper,more reliable and better equipped car as a result…??? And people who weren’t alive then wonder why Thatcher was elected in 1979 ?????

  23. 23
    Spartacus says:

    I was a little uneasy about one of the interventions.

    The MP made a point along the lines that paying government employees as union reps was a practice that acted as a go-between for workforce. And hence avoided conflict.

    This seems to me to be a bit like taking on and pay for the ‘Godfather’s’ Nephew to keep strikes and the like at bay.

    The front bencher in the summing up said this would continue.

  24. 24
    Moddy Botty says:

    You wil be squashed by the Pickles, Jacqui flower

  25. 25
    Gordon Brown says:

    The same goes for me.

  26. 26
    Lady Virginia Droit de Seigneur says:

    As usual with our scumbag politicians though – it’s not what they say it’s what they do. Whilst Burley’s words are welcome expect to see action well watered down.

  27. 27
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    But these Pilgims are un-emlpoyble in the real world!

  28. 28
    Jacqui Smith says:

    I’ll get my husband to sort him out but he’s got his hands full at the moment.

  29. 29

    “been very well” Doctors note?

  30. 30
    Lady Virginia Droit de Seigneur says:

    ASH however receives funding from the Department of Health.

  31. 31

    I’m all right Jack – The call of the Union Member!

  32. 32
    Aunt Mat says:

    If employing these “pilgrims” has meant that there were fewer strikes, then I am all in favour of keeping them.

    In our culture, we seem to only have an “on/off” switch when it comes to negotiations.

  33. 33
    Lay down your life for the Euro? says:

    Angela Merkel threatens war.

    If the euro fails, Europe fails. We have a ­ historical obligation: To protect by all means Europe’s unification process begun by our forefathers after ­centuries of hatred and blood spill. None of us can foresee what the consequences would be if we were to fail.

    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/279985

  34. 34
    Taxpayer says:

    So they are all at it. Why does that not make me feel any better?

  35. 35
    Billy Bowden is the world's greatest umpire! says:

    I repeat this manta over and over again.

    “No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.” Guido Fawkes

  36. 36
    Taxpayer says:

    There is nothing stopping the unions giving them jobs if the unions want to spend their members’ union dues on that.

  37. 37
    Infuriated of West Mids says:

    +1

  38. 38
    Silly Old Fool says:

    “Guido is tempted to bike a copy of Hansard down to St Georges Tooting”

    Put your cycle clips on, don’t want your trousers catching in the pedal and chain.

  39. 39
    Tuscan Tony says:

    Well done Guido, that’s gotta merit a few sharpeners this lunchtime. One question, who is this mysterious and shadowy P*ul St*ines to whom he referred?

  40. 40
    Moddy Botty says:

    AM agreed, MPs should be just MPs and nothing else, no toddling off to the Law Courts for a spot of legal jousting or at their real office in law, or any other job they run in paralell with their duties of MP. It has all been proposed before and the little darlings flatly turned it down they must keep their jobbies (English NOT Scottish) MPs not payed enough, hmmm!

  41. 41
    Andrew Efiong says:

    Top work Guido. You’ve flushed out these shirkers and they’re on the run now!

    Indeed you could end up saving the taxpayers millions and improving public services all in one go. Not bad at all.

  42. 42
    Moddy Botty says:

    Probably

  43. 43
    Moddy Botty says:

    maybe even a Labour candidate at the next election

  44. 44

    Why can’t the union employ them?
    Salaries paid by the taxpayer allow more donations to the labour party.

  45. 45

    Oh dear! I feel another tube strike coming on :-(

  46. 46
    Moddy Botty says:

    A M do not mention the Sun, Murdoch auto bot is active

  47. 47
    Anonymous says:

    “…We don’t pay the arms dealers and the tobacco lobbyists’ staffing bills”.

    No, Mr Tory MP. They generally pay yours though.

  48. 48
    BOB CROW says:

    BUT HOW WIL I AFORD MY SHAMPAIN? FACK OFF.

    *scratches arse and sniffs fingers*

  49. 49
    Well it's a thought says:

    The only thing that will happen is, they will see how much the value of the PR is, check they don’t have something similar going on and do nothing unless the PR says they could get a few more voting points, same crowd different colour rosettes.

  50. 50

    What the doctor recommended on your prescription will cure all your woes.
    Noose not too tight is it?

  51. 51

    “…We don’t pay the arms dealers and the tobacco lobbyists’ staffing bills”.

    No..we expect those lobbiers to pay for ours. Isn’t that so Mr Werrity?

  52. 52
    Pa*l St*in*s says:

    Tory scumbags

    It turns out the author of the report calling for unfair dismissal to be scrapped is the owner of Wonga.com. “A recent probe by the consumer watchdog Which? found it quoted £36.72 interest on a 30-day loan of £100 – equivalent to a 4,394 per cent annual interest rate. Mr Beecroft was called in by Steve Hilton, the Prime Minister’s policy chief, to conduct the “blue skies thinking” on employment legislation

    Bastards the lot of them

  53. 53

    I thought you leaned a bit more to the right Mike.

    http://www.hsj.co.uk/mike-pollard/1359.contributor

  54. 54
    Boris says:

    Crikey! No you don’t! That happened to me once, old fruit. Ripped the old pantaloons right off, it did.

    Fortunately the rozzers accepted my explanation…

  55. 55

    On your LBC show yesterday, Jacqui. Did I really hear you call for the return of Gordon Brown to sort out the finances?

    I notice only one called in to agree with you. She sounded a bit mental too, didn’t she?

  56. 56
    Selohesra says:

    Perhaps if all the public sector went on strike indefinitely we could identify which roles were actually essential and fill them from private sector – those that were not essential could then p[onder their future at leisure. Meanwhile the deficit would have come down with all those salaries saved on strike days

  57. 57
    Pa*l St*in*s says:

    “No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.”

  58. 58
    Ant E Freeze says:

    Oops! Dimbo Moddy Botty doesn’t know how to spell ‘paid’.

  59. 59
    Taxpayer says:

    Surely those sorts of interest rates are illegal.

  60. 60
    Moddy Botty says:

    Now then effendi have you ever had the joy of actually working on a production line, no, I thought not, it is mind numbing. The best from of production line management is where all the workers move around all the jobs on the line so that they become competant on every activity on that line, so if there is someone who is ill and cannot work that post can be filled easily, I think that is the Japanese method they work as a team, I believe what is left of the steel industry uses that system. The use of agency workers is ok in numpty jobs but when a production line is involved not a good idea as it takes time to find your way around a large production line.

  61. 61
    Selohesra says:

    We’ve thrashed them twice before – we can do it again

  62. 62
    Ooooo errrr says:

    More to the point, did the missus?

  63. 63
    nell says:

    Congratulations Guido/Neo Guido. Job well done!

    By the by – if we are paying these pilgrims betweern £70 and £80 million a year to stop strikes – why are we being promised union disruption in November?

    Doesn’t seem to me that the £80million is being well spent.

  64. 64
    Porky Pickles says:

    Nay lad tha mun eat thi curries, I luves mi curries carnt get enough

  65. 65
    Inspector Of Taxes says:

    “By way of an example, the excellent, independent and non-taxpayer funded campaigning website order-order, or the Guido Fawkes blog, has been highlighting the practice of paying union.”

    It is understood that this blog is administered by a Nevis registered company,Global and General Nominees.
    To date it has not paid a penny in Uk corporation tax.

    What a shyster !!!

  66. 66
    Michael Heseltine says:

    Me Tarzan. You Jane are screwed!

  67. 67
    Lady Virginia Droit de Seigneur says:

    On one hand the government is paying to subsidise tobacco farmers through the CAP on the other it is funding fake charities to lobby against smoking.

    And they wonder why we think they are a pack of cnuts

  68. 68
    Frau Merkel. says:

    Third time lucky. And this time all of the French are on our side and we have no need to invade Poland.

  69. 69
    Lady Virginia Droit de Seigneur says:

    Why is LBC paying the fat trougher to front a radio show?

  70. 70
    Moddy Botty says:

    Well I am not perfect like you my little chick a dee but why me, why not Billy the perfect seller

  71. 71
    Sir William Waad says:

    I can recommend a chap called Dr Conrad Murray. He’s very effective.

  72. 72
    Moddy Botty says:

    Now look what you have made me do “speller” not seller

  73. 73
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

  74. 74
    Handycock (Teen Fondler) says:

    I will have you know that I am a well respected MP, frequently mentioned in the media worldwide. Here is an example.

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/news-analysis/tinker-tailor-ageing-mp-with-face-like-a-hobbit-spy-16068373.html

  75. 75
    Sir Alex says:

    three times, in fact. Remember 1966?

  76. 76
    Ah! Monika says:

    But you missed another.

  77. 77
    Mornington Crescent says:

    And at the same time, we can identify which rip-off private sector contracts are essential and bring them back in-house – those that were not essential (£150 to change a light bulb in the NHS, par exemple) could then ponder their future at leisure. Meanwhile the deficit would have come down with all those contracts cancelled.

  78. 78
    Sir William Waad says:

    On the other hand, we want MPs to have experience of the real world.

    I think it’s a mistake to demand a greater quantity of work from MPs. What we need is greater quality. Careful consideration of new legislation, for instance, would be goos, rather than the shoddily-made, Friday-afternoon junk legislation that’s cranked out now. I would rather they spent 500 hours a year doing something useful than spending 3,000 hours a year in self-publicity, plotting and spinning.

  79. 79
    Moddy Botty says:

    Ginny I think it is to give the idea of balance

  80. 80
    The last quango in Paris says:

    Well done Guido and thank you. There is a road around here called ‘pilgrims way’ – lets have a virtual commune there we can ship them all off to.

  81. 81
    Jane Pig Grim says:

  82. 82
    Gormless Ed the silly loon says:

    We should all bellyfeel the EU SSR.

    Consider, for example, such a typical sentence from a Times leading article as “Oldthinkers unbellyfeel Ingsoc.” The shortest rendering one could make of this in Oldspeak would be: “Those whose ideas were formed before the Revolution cannot have a full emotional understanding of the principles of English Socialism.” But this is not an adequate translation. … Only a person thoroughly grounded in Ingsoc could appreciate the full force of the word bellyfeel, which implied a blind, enthusiastic, and casual acceptance difficult to imagine today.

    Ed the unstatesman

  83. 83
    Ah! Monika says:

    War Bonds anyone?

  84. 84
    Lard Presclott says:

    “The best from of production line management is where all the workers move around all the jobs on the line so that they become competent on every activity on that line, so if there is someone who is ill and cannot work that post can be filled easily…”

    Whoa there!! Bollocks to that – that’s a blatant breach of our demarcation agreement!

  85. 85
    Sir William Waad says:

    Then there’s the enormous, indirect subsidy we pay to Afghan heroin poppy farmers by offshoring opium production and ensuring that the supply of heroin is in the hands of criminals.

  86. 86
    Go Now says:

    Good to see the chancellor of St pauls has been resigned.

  87. 87
    Handycock (Teen Fondler) says:

    And so you should be Mike. You have my full support.

  88. 88
    Alan Rusbridger says:

    We at the Guardian have the same policy, so it must be morally immaculate.

  89. 89
    The Paragnostic says:

    And at the same time, we could identify which areas of health and safety are essential and ditch the rest – those that take the piss (not being able to use step-ladders to change a light bulb, for example) could then be consigned to the dustbin of history.

    Meanwhile the deficit would have come down with all that red tape removed.

    I can play the game too!

  90. 90
    Handycock says:

    I hope you are not looking at my villa in Spain registered in my daughter’s name, Mr Inspector.

  91. 91
    The EdiBall Crab says:

    Why would they be? It’s not like you can”t borrow to pay off the interest if you have to. Doh.

  92. 92
    Ingerlander says:

    Two World Wars and One World Cup. Doo Dah, Doo Dah!

  93. 93
    NeverRed says:

    The Minister summing up was pathetic and did indeed almost praise ‘some’ Pilgrims carrying out Union work whilst being paid by the taxpayer.

    The government are hopeless on Unions (The Union ‘modernisation’ fund is still being used to siphon money from the taxpayer to the Labour party, and they refuse to allow us a referendum enabling us to get out of th EU and thousands of thieving bastards stealing more of our money.

  94. 94
    Prezza says:

    I’ll have the seafood special!

  95. 95
    Lard Pressclott of Bulimia, Jags 'n' Shags says:

    Taxpayer funded fish and chips ?? Bring it on by the van load !!

  96. 96
    Nunner says:

    Prescott is a fat arsehole – does the fat fucker think that pissing tax payers money up the wall is a joke

    If you did that in the private sector you would go to jail

  97. 97
    Wendy Bendy says:

    Professional MPs is something *not* to want. They should all have jobs outside of the Commons, and be paid very very little, with no pension, for what they do inside the Commons. Since Labour MPs are by and large unemployable, it should be fun watching them trying to survive.

  98. 98
    Tony Bliar is a complete cunt says:

    52 grand a year………….Thats a fair bit of money to give up to drive a train…….

  99. 99
    Petitioniste says:

    Nearly 8000 signatures for the EU second leg petition

    https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/20133

  100. 100
    Ah! Monika says:

    More PR. Guido’s on a role

    Order, order! MPs swap punches and insults in Italian parliament over pension reforms

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2053912/Punch-ups-Italian-parliament-threadbare-new-austerity-measures-fail-ease-markets.html#ixzz1byK9ZiKj

  101. 101
    Hugh Janus says:

    With 80% of our laws emanating from the EU, they should have more than enough time on their hands to do what little remains of their jobs quite thoroughly. Fat chance of course. And Call Me Dave’s proposed reduction to a mere 600 of them is tokenism at its very finest.

  102. 102
    The Golem says:

    Surely, with a few honourable exceptions, this description could apply to most of the time servers on both sides of the aisle?

  103. 103
    kleegish says:

    No one under the age of 50 remembers the World Cup win. Now where have I heard that under-50 phrase recently?

  104. 104
    The Paragnostic says:

    Not only that, but the resulting tobacco is virtually unsmokable by anybody except Spaniards, Italians and Greeks.

    Now if they were growing good Virginia tobacco, or there were fields of hempen goodness in the wilds of La Mancha, I’d approve…

  105. 105
    Moddy Botty says:

    Now then what more do want Guido, I am trying to get you elected to the House of the subsidised bars and restaurants

  106. 106
    Hugh Janus says:

    The only thing we are ‘modernising’ is their wretched bank accounts. Get a grip Dave! (It’s no good – I’m wasting my breath again. Is there any part of this failing country that he is willing to upset, apart from his own backbenchers?)

  107. 107
    Chingchingamy Chingchingamy Chingching Cheroo says:

    Can we hear the sad little thud of a consituency stable door being closed by IDS?

    http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/wfnews/9329589.CHINGFORD__Iain_Duncan_Smith_threatens_to_quit_amid_referendum_row/

  108. 108
    Hugh Janus says:

    Yes, great work – and there’s plenty more where that one came from…keep digging.

  109. 109
    Ah! Monika says:

    How much would you charge?

  110. 110
    Jaclyn says:

    Excellent work – most union representatives take the Michael! As a former council worker it was rife. Having meetings with members of staff who felt they were being unfairly treated was a weekly occurrence. Then of course there were the good union reps who did look after their members sensibly.

    It is such a shame that this woman has set herself out a Pilgrimage of shame!

  111. 111
    Lard Pressclott says:

    That’s why I have stayed firmly attached to the Taxpayers’ teat all these years. Liebour politicos don’t do resignations. We just l’learn the lessons, draw a line under it, move on and get on with the job’.

  112. 112
    Moddy Botty says:

    Oh no, not when England won the World Cup again, distant past 1966, most of those on this blog cannot even remember it, it’s wheeled out every time England gets to the last 16

  113. 113
    It would have no impact on my life whatsoever says:

    I am certainly in favour of a strike at the BBC

  114. 114
    Vito Corleone says:

    That actually used to be one of our more lucrative rackets…

  115. 115
    Mystick1 says:

    Why should these thieving scumbags have credit cards paid by the tax payers ? Should be stopped immediately. And Lord 2-jags 2-Shags Prescott should pay back the money from his Australian jolly.

  116. 116
    misterned says:

    I have no problem with these union officials being employed and paid for their duties to the unions, so long as it is the unions that are paying for them.

    The tax payer should not be paying for union officials to lobby on behalf of unions or undertake union duties.

  117. 117
    Hugh Janus says:

    Not so fast EF. When (if?) one scam closes another six will not be far behind.

  118. 118
    Ah! Monika says:

    Why should they be.

    If you are broke, no bank account, no credit history and you needed immediate cash to visit a sick relative by train, where else are you going to get the funds. And how certain is the lender that he/ she will get the money back? Do the sums. If you can do better, what’s stopping you.

  119. 119
    Square Eyes says:

    And the public should a rebate for the licence fee that has been extorted from us.

  120. 120
    Shooting yourself in the foot says:

    Its currently neck and neck between Jane Pilgrim and Tom Watson in the unintended consequences awards, so get on the phone and vote vote vote

  121. 121
    Shocked! says:

    No news from Brussels then.

  122. 122
    The Paragnostic says:

    Must have been a deep and highly investigative probe if they found a quote for interest. The site tells you it’s only for short term loans, and tells you what it will cost you. If you want to pay your pound of flesh, then you do – if not, you deal with your issues some other way.

    OK, so these are usurious scumbags, but they only lend up to their capital – unlike the other usurious scumbags who lend a multiple of their capital and still charge unjustifiable interest rates.

    One approach is good, honest loan-sharking, while the second is fractional reserve banking. Both are legal, while “Which” frowns on only one.

    For what it’s worth, I think they’re all cunts, but then I never borrow money.

  123. 123
    The Political Balancing Act at LBC says:

    She’s a counterweight to Ken Livingstone

  124. 124
    Zweistein says:

    Also don’t mention I srael or Z ion ism, Gee do’s masters don’t like being criticised..

  125. 125
    Hugh Janus says:

    Any PM with balls would reward the unions fomenting the November strikes with instant removal of the ludicrous ‘modernisation grants’ that we are all paying for. Succour to the enemy!

  126. 126
    Cue predictible retord consisting deep fried mars bars blah blah blah says:

    I always imagined you as a yellow fingered nicotined stained smelly old smoker paragnostic, thanks for the confirmation. Do the sheep complain about the smell?

  127. 127
    Rid Us of Sports Bores says:

    Yeah, totally boring.

  128. 128
    The Paragnostic says:

    More fool you for paying it Square Eyes – I never have and never will.

  129. 129
    The Paragnostic says:

    Moderation? I see none…

    Peace in our time, driven by market forces (of course) appears to be a European phenomenon. The Zionists in Israel are watching with interest. Meanwhile, in Staines and outside St Pauls, protesters demand a solution to Wordpress’s inflexible moderation system. Fear not – it is at hand. A cunt called Paragnostic can fix it for you!

  130. 130
    The Paragnostic says:

    Let’s bring back rotten boroughs and the property qualification for voters while we’re at it, shall we?

    And who gave bloody women the vote? They should be at home making sure Nanny isn’t torturing the children!

  131. 131
    The Paragnostic says:

    The sheep, as I’ve told you before, were all lent to English Lairds to ease the Highland Clearances.

    We never got them back – buggers.

  132. 132
    The Paragnostic says:

    (+ 2 2) = 5 (RIP John McCarthy, parenthetical genuis)

    Doubleplus good!

  133. 133
    The Paragnostic says:

    I can’t remember the exact figure, but London Transport employs 30-odd Pilgrims, and their record of strike free public service is there for all to see.

  134. 134
    Disgruntled Hard Pressed TAX Payer says:

    Brilliant clip from the film ” I’m alright Jack ” with Terry Thomas & Peter Sellers both were outstanding in the characters they portrayed

    The Fred Kite’s of this world are still alive & well in 2011 and are known as ZanuLieLabour !! Totalitarian Dinosaurs from a by gone age with Prezza being the perfect example of a duplicitous poncing parasite who was caught on camera thumping a member of the Public, & what did his boss, Bliar do, nothing, not even a word of rebuke, wonder what Prezza has on him, he must know where the bodies are buried, yet another ZanuLieLabour cesspit that needs to be reopened & exposed to the public. Of course there will not be a word about any of this on the Biased Broadcasting Company aka BBC or in there house rags Guardian, Independent, Daily Mirror.

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    They're all the same says:

    Full time union officials are good for the TUC unions, bad for the interests of labour (note the small ‘L’).

    Many employers (public and private) would actually rather deal with a devil-you-know Union bureaucrat than have to confront a strong and disciplined rank and file.

    Be careful what you wish for.

  136. 136
    Thatcher's Iron Stiletto says:

    A good adjournment debate, but effectively fruitless.

    The Lib Dems or the current Tory leadership will not dare to take on the the Unions. Especially not until after the olympics. Frankly it is the most disgusting abuse of public money out there. I’d rather see all £86 million (and lets face it, it’s a lot more than than that), go to the Arms dealers benevolence fund.

    What are the government scared of? The public are backing any slashing reform of the Unions. It could be a unifying battle for the Tories, that everybody could get behind and feel good about.

  137. 137
    Anonymous says:

    I don’t think the public are even aware of the money that goes to the unions via the modernisation fund etc.

    This point should be made again, and again.

    “If you have an important point to make, don’t try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time – a tremendous whack.”

  138. 138
    Pistoff says:

    I suspect that the organisations that have pilgrims on the payroll (public sector-where most of the strikes are) will also have much higher numbers of HR staff per employee compared with the private sector. This would be because they have to pander to the pilgrims, hold endless consultations and meetingswith them and generally waste time and money (ours)!

  139. 139
    BobRoberts says:

    I quite agree. That stuff is a shocking waste of taxpayers money. Huge piles of it featherbedding corrupt and opportunistic outsourcing companies. I worked for one of them for a while and it was the most awful, inefficient load of junk I’ve ever been in proximity to.

    While we’re at it, a comittee needs to find whoever invented and propagated PFI and kick them in the nuts. Really hard.

  140. 140
    BBC front line worker says:

    So long as it is a LONG one. I need a holiday.

  141. 141
    NHS Auditor says:

    Go into you local hospital and if your appointment is 09-00hours you will see how the 70’s work practices are in force.
    Reception in place, patients waiting, nurses five minutes late, doctors 10 minutes late and both doctors and nurses waste another 10 minutes on getting tea and coffee for their daily pick me up.

  142. 142
    LORD Prescott. says:

    Still got nothing on me – I am the champion expense account muncher.
    Cockles anyone?

  143. 143
    BobRoberts says:

    Terrible market research factoid with those sites as well… apparantly 1 in 5 households in the UK has used a payday lender in the last 12 months. I find that quite terrifying… guess they’re trying to push that number up a bit!

  144. 144
    John Merrick says:

    After all the back slapping in the previous comments, I thought I would raise a legitimate point. Who funds you Guido? Do you publish your accounts? There’s no way Guido and Neo-Guido are paid solely from the advertising on this website. I would be surprised if that earns you more than 5k a year.

  145. 145
    Pissed off voter says:

    That is plain wrong. Majority of union members are decent ordinary people and there is an important and valuable role for unions. Tragically but predictably the union herarchy have grown more and more corrupt over time – just like the so-called political elite – and that’s where you should direct your ire.

  146. 146

    Apparently these union officals cost the taxpayer 86 million a year. How about the state evening up the equation and giving about 70 million a year to the fauxservatives and 16 million a year to UKIP.

  147. 147
    Pissed off voter says:

    you forgot the two oak beams – and the two faces.

  148. 148
    **u* **a**r* says:

    Don’t worry old cock he’s only a young lad trying to make a name for himself, he wants to be the PM but he has to build a following so that the Cons will offer him a nice safe seat in the London area but they may just let him try Hull for starters.

  149. 149
    Moddy Botty says:

    Would he be really missed, would he be really missed

  150. 150
    Moddy Botty says:

    I bet members of staff were the same each time and the managers were the same most of the time, I bet some of the union reps. groaned inside when the same ones coming to make a complaint. Some managers should not have been managers they just became little Napoleons. In the place I used to work for only 31/2 years it was strange to see the carryings on it seemed like scenes from I’m All Right Jack, but I have to admit very little striking took place, union reps seemed to get promoted to managers or were made redundant.

  151. 151
    Moddy Botty says:

    Everyone knows that Guido Fawkes is really P*ul *taines

  152. 152
    Moddy Botty says:

    The real Guy Fawkes, e were a Yorkshireman

  153. 153
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    I consider that the NHS, along with the BBC, are the last Communist constructs in Europe. As age increases, so does infirmity, and I am by necessity a regular attender of early morning clinics out of choice. My local NHS trust may be a world leader in the disemination of HAI, but over the last 2 years, the longest I’ve been kept waiting for an early morning appointment is less than 20 minutes. I can live with that.

  154. 154
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Or a New Year’s honour “for political services”…….

  155. 155
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    What’s the point of accusing MP’s with being out of touch with the real world then denying them the chance to remain in contact with the workplace?

  156. 156
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Are you certain that Ken Clarke is still alive?

  157. 157
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Like so many of the left’s dealings, It’s Only Good If You Are A Lefty.

  158. 158
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    There’s a road round here called Pilgrim’s Way as well. We can give them a choice of virtual communes.

  159. 159
    bring back the Ital says:

    I presume this was in the halcyon days when The Sun wasn’t against Liebour. Can’t help wondering what the reaction would be now if shop stewards sat on their fat ends and perused an anti-Mili rant.

  160. 160

    Prul Strines – an Australian.

  161. 161

    You’d be surprised.

  162. 162
    Anonymous says:

    Saw your script, hadn’t a clue how to use it: where’s the instructions?

  163. 163
    Anonymous says:

    Exhibitionist falling under royal horseflesh should have been made a capital offence. Retrospectively, of course. Nobody loves a show-off.

  164. 164
    sanelynch says:

    Do-as-we-say-not-as-we-do is it? Not going to take this opportunity to declare were your funding comes from?

  165. 165
    Kered Ybretsae says:

    Nice to be a Pilgrim. They are all over Europe in different disguises. Carry on and hammer them hard.

  166. 166
    Conrad says:

    Anti-semitism is the socialism of fools-August Bebel (German Marxist Politician)

  167. 167
    Gonkione says:

    Ah! The old chaging lightbulb chestnut. Once upon a time bfore elfn safety a sparks could turn up with a mate and a stepladder, set up the steps (the mate would steady them) nip up the ladder, swap the lamp, down again and away. Now a tower must be used with guard rails and possibly a safety harness. Erecting and dismantling the tower takes far longer than changing a light bulb, hence the staggering cost for “changing a lightbulb”. Simples. I must make it clear that I am more for the stepladder and mate method, but then it does keep tower manufacturers and plant hire shops in business so it must help the economy no?

  168. 168
    Gonkione says:

    Thought British Leyland was in the Public sector back then

  169. 169
    Pinochet says:

    Can Guido start a Petition to bring back hanging for Bob Crow, please.


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