October 25th, 2011

Play Them at Their Own Game

If you can’t beat them then join them. Old Holborn suggests that the Europhiles should be played at their own game; keep asking them the same question until you get the answer that you want. Guido is inclined to agree:

 Sign here if you do too…


362 Comments

  1. 1
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Signed!

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    • 2
      Michael says:

      Me too and my missus and mum.

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      • 4
        Anonymous says:

        Signed earlier as well

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        • 14
          Hmm... says:

          signed

          And if we ask again after this petition, we should demand an un-whipped debate and subsequent vote

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          • Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

            This next one will be rejected as the House has considered the matter, However! Everytime they deny us , we ask again, they want the EU? Then they can have EU stle “democracy”.

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          • Tori Splitz says:

            Signed!

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          • Hang The Bastards says:

            Signed ! and the wifey.

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          • polldaddy says:

            Here’s the unwhipped version.
            http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/20046

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          • Signed (and Mrs Schrödinger’s cat). I would prefer to re-negotiate and stay in but be prepared to leave if we do not get satisfaction. Notwithstanding, the views of the greater majority of the UK should not be ignored so I want to see it happen.

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          • Billy Bowden in the greatest umpire ever ! says:

            I will be tweeting abot it later today

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          • The Paragnostic says:

            Signed – and under my real name too.

            Whether they will allow a second debate (or how long they delay it) is in the lap of the Backbench Business Committee – the faster the petition is filled, the more weight it will have.

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          • Sheila Shuttlefuck says:

            Oh shit, are you saying it is inadvisable to sign the petition in ones own name?

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          • Anonymous says:

            It has less than 2000 signatures! Even Mrs T’s boy Fox is siding with Cameron.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Country has over 60,000,000 people not even 2,000 have signed it yet. It has one year to run so we can wait and see.

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          • alister t says:

            all epetitions debates must be whip free – i.e. they must be free votes. These debates aren’t government debates nor are they opposition days, they are PUBLIC days or voter days. We are from all parties and none, thus it should be a free vote.

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          • Pissed off voter says:

            signed that one too. hope there are no more – there were so many first time round that the signature count was possibly diluted and though it didn’t matter in the end, it might another time.

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          • WVM says:

            Signed and family too :)

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          • misterned says:

            signed and I shall keep signing petitions on this UNTIL we get our referendum. The only way to be certain to lose this battle, is if we quit.

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          • Broadsword calling Danny Boy says:

            I agree with Schrodinger’s Cat.

            When voting to join the Common Market I thought that it was a great idea. I didn’t realise that we would end up with unelected Eurocrats dictating the shape of bananas and banning Feta cheese from Yorkshire and us having to prop up the financially undisciplined Mediterranean members (and the Irish).

            If politicians aren’t willing to listen to the people we’ll have to keep shouting louder until they do.

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          • So much Stupidity, So Little Time says:

            4,000!!! Good Job Guido. Or to give you fellas a wee bit of perspective that’s about a 1/3 of the number of people who paid to watch Cardiff play Burnley in the Carling Cup last night. Back in your bubble now lads.

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        Ahem! says:

        Statement from OccupyLSX
        Posted on October 25, 2011 by occupylsx

        OccupyLSX was surprised to hear The Telegraph and others reporting this morning that 90% of our tents are empty overnight. This is simply not the case. We try to keep vacancy to a minimum and operate a sign in/sign out system to help ensure this happens. When someone knows they will not be staying overnight, they offer their tent to someone else.

        We are ordinary people with jobs and families. We are occupying in order to register our objection to being shut out of the political process. The fact that we are camping out here shows how seriously we take our right to participate and be heard. We are part of the 99%.

        It’s certainly interesting to hear that the Corporation of London are wasting many thousands of pounds of taxpayers’ money in monitoring our numbers by helicopter. But what about the “thermal imaging cameras”? We might be in a public space, but these tents are our homes – at least some of the time – and everyone has a right to privacy.

        Being woken up in the middle of the night by a journalist with a camera is an unpleasant experience, and even more so for a female sleeping in a tent alone. The Press Team is happy to facilitate interviews at all hours of the night (we had Radio 5 Live broadcasting from 1am to 5am the other day), but we do ask that such requests go through us on this number 0845 299 6175. Our volunteers will do their best to help.

        A “nine out of ten tents are empty” statistic is completely unfounded. Finally, these are the facts of what happened on the night of Monday, 24 October.

        The journalist in question was found by our Tranquility Team (night-time volunteers who look after the peace of the camp and who keep it ship shape in the twilight hours), shaking the tents of occupiers, who initially thought they were police and understandably approached them to enquire what was happening. The journalist explained that he was investigating a claim that tents were empty at night, and argued that it was correct to check this claim. Our team asked if he planned to approach every tent in this manner (as people were asleep) and invited him to select 5 tents and they would facilitate this approach. The journalist refused. And now it seems to be a story.

        In keeping with our statement, we stand in solidarity with occupations across the world. As we have seen in Melbourne and Sydney recently, occupations, no matter how peaceful and serene – as ours is – are constantly vulnerable to harassment and intimidation. Occupy London (LSX) is a peaceful place, with an open door to visitors and passersby who wish to engage in the politics of the camp. We are now occupying in two locations. We’re here 24 hours and we’re here for serious reasons. We appreciate the warmth and support we experience daily, from tourists, from local businesses and city workers, who agree with us, that we have an unsustainable financial system and that we need change.

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        • 354
          David Laws Lib Dem fiddler says:

          Signed and distributed to all I know. Remember there is a list of those 111 who supported the public who should be congratulated and the remainder given the short sharp shrift at the next election. Also keep bombarding the gutless MPs with questions to answer and get out to their campaign meetings to demonstrate to the audience in clear plain polite language that they do not represent their constituents and are therefore not wanted in office because we do not know what issues they represent. All three parties claimed they would give an EU in or out vote. They lied. Vote UKIP to show them they we will not tolerate the same old same old forever.

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    • 5
      True Anglo Saxon says:

      Yes, we have been betrayed

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    • 51
      Thatwomen whobitoffherbf'sgoolieshasmorebollocksthanCameron says:

      Why can’t you use the same Email for two people at one address?

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    • 91
      it's gordons fault says:

      timeline is too short

      signed it though

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    • 122
      Sungei Patani says:

      I signed this at about 3pm today when there were about 650 signatures; now there are over 1900. Publicise this petition on as many blogs as possible and write to local and national papers to let the people know that they can try again to get the right to democratically decide our relationship with the EU.

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    • 133
      jabbathecat says:

      Signed, the mice postal votes to follow…

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    • 137
      David Cameron (Cheif Bullshitter says) says:

      § My name is Kipper Cameron I’m an arsehole and a snob
      I promised referendums until I got my job
      Throughout the last election you believed my CAST IRON vow
      But I don’t give a fuck for you, I’m the PM now
      I am all for the EU I think there really great
      And if they want your money I will hand it on a plate
      I will not fight their burocrats, or cut back immigration
      I will do my utmost to fuck the British Nation
      So forget your Rule Britannia that was prosperous and free
      Forget when you could speak your mind I demand PC
      I know a million immigrants in Britain are employed
      whilst all our youth are unemployed and I am overjoyed
      SO FUCK OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • 202
      The Queen says:

      My husband and I are delighted to sign this e-petition on behalf of my subjects.

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    • 230
      Everard P Burgerpenis says:

      Don’t hold your breath, folks. From the FAQ page of the e-petition website :

      Why do you say my e-petition ‘could’ be debated in the House of Commons?

      If your e-petition reaches the 100,000 signatures, it is eligible for a debate in the House of Commons. However a debate may not be possible:

      if the subject of the e-petition is currently going through legal proceedings, it may be inappropriate for a debate to be held;
      if there has just been, or is about to be, a debate in the House of Commons on the same topic as your e-petition

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      AC1 says:

      60 seconds in….

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      • 309
        AC1 says:

        http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2011/10/24/glacial-george.html

        “Sadly, in seeking to make easy points about global warming [Monbiot] has got his “facts” wrong. Glaciers contribute virtually nothing to the flow of the Ganges, Brahmaputra and Indus rivers, which depend primarily on monsoon rain and to a much lesser extent on snow melt (not glacier melt).

        There has been no long term decline in precipitation in the Himalaya. The idea that the glaciers are retreating so fast that the rivers may dry up by the summer of 2040 displays an embarrassing ignorance of the normal hydrological cycle of all these rivers, whose low flow period is in the winter, and which in summer continue to pour water down from the Himalaya.”

        Dr Bob Bradnock, geographer, Letter to the Guardian, 4 February 2000

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      • 325
        Archer Karcher says:

        Brown simply regurgitates the same old lies and phoney statistics we are all familiar with.
        Another bre*athtaking lie, was the assertion that if we did nothing now it would be ‘too late’ at a future date. The logic of that assertion is simply astounding in it’s idiocy, what he is saying is, no reduction in the future would make any difference while a reduction now would.
        How so? If you believe the garbage theory, either reducing carbon reduces temperature or it does not, which is it?

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    • 345

      Signed.

      I also signed a similar petition at http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/20046

      After a month or two, people can go with the one which has the most votes.

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  2. 3
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Plus, about the Mps(and europe) got a taste of thier own medicne!

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  3. 6
    Pissed off voter says:

    done 1180 and counting

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      Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

      Shit!

      Was about 600+ few hours ago!

      Go on GUido/Old Holborn

      Neo-Guido will you write a piece int hte commenter about this? (even tho to intellegent for me (and they censor speech for “Making no sense”)

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  4. 7
    Xavier Onassis says:

    Signed! Cameron has no intention of allowing any rational debate about this though… still, he isn’t a real Conservative, is he?

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    • 39
      PR Man says:

      I’m a LIBERAL (shouts) conservative (whispers), you know…

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    • 42
      Call Me Dave says:

      Sam has just been to Harrods & stocked up the pantry with conserves; red gauntlet strawberry conserve, grapefruit & gin marmalade and grape conserve with port. Real conservatism, real conservative values and real conservative principles in action.

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  5. 9
    PD77 says:

    Done, they can’t ignore the will of the people forever!

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      Tessa Tickles says:

      They can try.

      Dave and his fellow mendacious pro-EU/pro-Construction industry/Anti-English cronies
      will still be ignoring the people when the people are dragging Dave and his chums into Parliament Square for a well-deserved lynching.

      It will happen. When a Conservative such as I dreams of the day when Camoron and his faux-Tory filth get their well-deserved executions at the hands of a mob, one can only imagine what Milimong’s supporters are thinking.

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  6. 10
    A Nonny Mouse says:

    I’ve signed but I notice the closing date for the petition is today – shurely shome mishtake?

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  7. 11
    Cicero says:

    It should be a truly open vote and this should be stated in the petition.
    Otherwise it will simply end up in the bin.

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  8. 15
    the last quango in paris says:

    This Europe issue is going to blow the coalition apart – no end in sight to the bailout and the IMF talking about getting involved. That (if i’m correct) means that the UK tax payer might have to bail out work shy greeks. It is beyond disgusting. Since when has it been right to work half the year for free (for the Government) – then be taxed more to send to Europe to pour into the bottomless pit of the never going to work Euro?

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    • 22
      Anonymous says:

      And it wasn’t as if they weren’t warned about the folly of their actions too, dopey fuckers.

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        Archer Karcher says:

        Just who are the dope here?

        The bailout money doesn’t go to the Greeks, it goes to the banks who were stupid enough to lend them untold billions in the first place. Now theres no money left to repay the loans, the banks are expecting us, via taxes, to ensure they do not suffer the consequences of their reckless lending policies. It stinks, the government are enabling theft from us to the banks.

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          The Paragnostic says:

          Ah, but they are being very good by trying to negotiate a settlement where we only pay them half of what they short-sightedly lent to Zorba and his mates.

          We must take consolation in the fact that market forces have once again been thwarted by the unwillingness of politicians to allow banks to fail, and that our children will pay for Greek profligacy and bankers’ stupidity.

          I wonder if Nat Rothschild will take a haircut?

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        • 123
          Anonymous says:

          Which banks ?

          I have just received a note from my stockbroker which says that not only did Standard Chartered not lend any money to any European Government it has been unwinding its inter-bank loans with those who did.

          What is the exposure of HSBC and of Barclays?

          That leaves RBS, which should be split between NatWest and the rest. The rest should be given to the Scots as part of the unwinding of a tragic mistake when we English bailed them out in 1707 after their last exercise at playing above their league (the Darien expedition).

          and Lloyds – an even more tragic Scots mistake – albeit its bad debts seem to have been mainly spectacular property/mortgage fraud (so sorry, bad debts) – Northern Rock only more so.

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          • AC1 says:

            I’m rather hoping HSBC is not that exposed (with the highest reserves too)

            The way I see it. If HSBC go down I’ll have a lot more to worry about than currency problems…

            A risk that is perhaps not worth mitigating

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        • 124
          AC1 says:

          It doesn’t go to the banks…

          Banks are artificial legal entities.

          Look a bit further, it bails out BONDHOLDERS, as does QE.

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    • 23
      Intercept evidence says:

      MILF Lagarde: George?
      Gideon O: Yes mistress?
      MILF Lagarde: I need another 10 billion by the end of today, OK?
      Gideon O: B-b-but mistress, I…can’t…
      MILF Lagarde: What’s that, you little shit! You’ll do as I tell you or I’ll squeeze your nipples harder and harder, you understand, you disgusting shrivelled cocksucker!
      Gideon O: Yes mistress…

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    • 69
      The Paragnostic says:

      My biggest worry regarding the Euro bail out is RBS. Looking at the stress tests, if Italy and Spain follow the Greek line, RBS is second only to Santander in terms of exposure and need for recapitalisation.

      We (the taxpayer) own RBS, and have already pumped billions into keeping Fred Goodwin’s plaything afloat. The bail out could cost us another 30+ billion just to keep it solvent.

      Rusty, of course, won’t be highlighting this any time soon.

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      • 82
        AC1 says:

        We could of course just transfer the accounts to other banks and auction the assets of RBS to the SNP.

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      • 84

        RBS should have gone to the wall. Goodwin wasn’t even a proper banker but an egocentric bean counter who got promoted way above his paygrade. I was paid more than he was in the 80s but he now has a pension that I could only dream about. My banking/finance companies always turned in a profit, he lost a shedload. But he gets a pension I can only dream about. Cυnt.

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      • 144
        Rip van Wrinkle says:

        Let it fail!!

        They’ll need another £30bn in another 3 years, and again three years later and again and again……

        ALL these ‘major’ banks are insolvent. They make no profits, just records for accountancy fraud.

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    • 80
      AC1 says:

      It’s not a Europe issue it’s the issue that the EU and the UK are totally incompatible.

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  9. 19
    Elvis says:

    Signed

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  10. 21
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    We shall fight them on the internet, we shall fight them in the media, we will fight them with pe@ceful protests at Parliament.

    WE WILL NOT SURRENDER!!!!!!!!!

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    • 35
      Mad Dog Cameron says:

      I’ll hunt you down like vermin! Street by street, house by house, room by room, blog by blog, zenga zenga!

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    • 59
      Bobby Bowden was the greatest American-Football coach ever ! says:

      This will be your finest hour.

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    • 204
      Must get a pseudonym one day says:

      Never, in the field of British voting, has so much democracy been denied to so many by so few.

      Keep signing until they stop cheating.

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      • 220
        Jethro says:

        Below, what I’ve just sent to my M.P.: do feel free to pillage and plagiarise at will. Incidentally, the last ‘x’ actually fits!
        Dear Mr. xxx,
        Thank you for your lengthy and detailed reply. Your first point, “it seemed to me that such a referendum, bound to cost hundreds of millions of pounds, would mean that British politics for the next few years would be dominated by a time consuming and exhaustive struggle over wording and methodology, and then by the polarising effect of the vote itself, when at a time of grave economic and financial uncertainty our country will be fighting to escape the consequences of the worst global economic crisis since the Great Depression.” begins with the matter of cost – yet we have even in this time of ‘grave and financial uncertainty’ the ability not only to give millions away in aid but to continue to lavish daily millions on an enterprise remarkable for its long-unaudited accounts. If, in 1940 Churchill had done a ‘cost-benefit’ analysis, he would have concluded that capitulation – negotiated settlement, rather, was the reasonable response. In other words, what price freedom?
        You then go on to speak of a ‘time consuming and exhaustive struggle over wording and methodology’(I assume you meant ‘time-consuming’): not being a Q. C., I would have thought that it was actually only so, if one were a Lawyer or a ‘Pollster’: what is wrong with a very simple question – after all, at an Election, just such a simple question is asked, a Binary question – For, or not for – we have survived for far more than a Century on just this ‘wording and methodology’. Of course, I would never wish to suggest that you are trying to blind me with science or cast dust into my eyes.
        Your next suggests that timing is of the essence, “The instrument of a referendum must be deployed at the time it is most likely to do good”. And who will determine that ‘when’? …and ‘to do good’ for whom? Your obstruction could be translated as a version of ‘The Man in Whitehall knows best!’, or ‘Trust me: I’m a Doctor!’: we M.P.s know what is right and good for you, our electors: don’t trouble your little heads about it.’ The time is coming but has not yet arrived…was ever such patronising drivel aimed at the head of an Elector? For many of us, the time arrived several years ago, and our presumed patience is wearing very thin.
        You speak of ‘amicable adjustment’: in what way has the E.U. ever displayed any amity towards us (remember Germany in the run-up to ‘Black Wednesday?)? M. Sarkozy recently told the Prime Minister how sick they were of us. For the last several decades we have been told that we must do this or that, refrain from doing that or this, in order to be more ‘communaitaire’, to give up cherished customs for the greater good, to try and be ‘good Europeans’ so that they will like us, and the result has been their increased hatred and suspicion. The Germans hate us because we beat them twice, although they bankrupted us; the French hate us because… we are not French, and even more because we rescued them (twice): no doubt the Belgians hate us because we went to war (once, if not twice) to save them. As to the risk of not being understood or forgiven, surely in international politics, these two come pretty low down in the reckoning.
        Your third ‘reason’ has to do with your being elected as a Conservative: I will not say how close this comes to being ‘The Nuremburg Defence’ (‘We were only obeying orders’) but point out that it was not ‘The Conservative Party’ that elected you, but your electors, your Constituents – who might have voted for you as ‘the least worse option’. Yes, I know the Burkeian Representative-not-Delegate argument and, who knows, if your actions should begin to look like those of a Conservative, I might even consider voting for you next time.
        Your final point speaks of the motion as being ‘doomed to failure’ and of a ‘self-inflicted wound’: something fails only because sufficient failures adjudge that it is doomed to failure – given sufficient pessimists, the best of causes will have uphill work. The ‘self-inflicted wound’ was single-handedly administered by Mr. Cameron to the Conservative Party with the three-line Whip – Conservatives, terrified that the notoriously conservative British might be less than Islingtonian in their desire for all that is modish?

        Your troubled Constituent,

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  11. 25
    0.03 percent of people in Cambridge says:

    Signed

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  12. 27
    Mad Dog Cameron says:

    My party loves me; the people love me. They’re all ready to die for me…

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  13. 32
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Current total : 1,391

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  14. 33
    HenryV says:

    Where is this Europe place anyway?

    Another thing I don’t get about Europe is all this stuff about being able to work anywhere. 95% of the people I know have never moved outside the county. And those that have move abroad haven’t gone to Spain or France, they go to Australia or New Zealand or Canada or the NE US. Do you think it could be because the latter lands speak English and have similar cultures? I can understand why the middle classes in Londonistan want their Polish plumbers and Slovakian au pairs but not at the cost of my country thanks.

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    • 196
      'Gypsy' Dave Cooper says:

      *Applause*

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      • 349
        HenryV says:

        Gee thanks! The comment would have appeared much earlier but it tripped Mr Fawkes’ moderating robot’s alarms. I don’t know why……….

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    • 237

      I now live in two south east Europеan countries and have done for over four years. I find that people are much more like us than I had thought hitherto. The majority of people spеak English, ranging from starter to better than most indigenous spеakers. I have made many friends out here. The pace of life is less stressful, the weather is better (I swam in the Adriatic last week). No Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, David Cameron. The world is changing.

      Remember the apocryphal London newspaper headline: Fog in Channel, Continent Cut Off.

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      • 296
        AC1 says:

        France is still an alien place though.

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      • 350
        HenryV says:

        The pace of life is slower? Surely with retirement at 54 the pace of life should be quicker to get all the bills paid sooner? Of course not because there are north European countries working there bollocks off paying the lion’s share of their finances such as for infrastructure.

        And please don’t come on with that Little Englander attack line. For over 2 centuries the UK sat at the middle of a GLOBAL trade network whose populations were lot a lot more diverse than just Europeans. The UK’s troubles can be traced right back to 1914 when we stopped looking out and instead started looking inwards towards Europe.

        Nobody denies that we British will obviously share certain cultural habits with our Continental neighbours. But a bottle of wine on the dinner table doesn’t make French!! If I were to move to another country I would want somewhere with a similar culture such as the White Commonwealth or NE US. And if I had to move to a European country it would be those parts whose culture again matched the UK’s closely. Though I would rather live in Madrid than Tehran!!!

        This reminds me of something I fell across while writing a dissertation on the Partition of India and the Founding of Pakistan. Somebody once wrote that Punjabis and Bengalis were as different as Finns and Greeks and shouldn’t be thought because they shared the same religion, continent, and skin colour that they could be all lumped together into one state just for political convenience. And we all know how that ended up don’t we?

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  15. 40
    One Man, One Vote, Once. says:

    Yea, Yea Yea. But we won’t be sure until we have flooded the tunnel, sunk the ferries and blown up Parliment.
    Will we?
    You just cannot trust negotiations can you?
    Those French and Germans get everywhere.
    What Fun. It is a good job we have nothing else to be concerned about.

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  16. 43
    Time will tell says:

    Signed ,Iv’e started my whispering campaign, when anybody talks or just mention politics, I just mention our MP voted NO for OUR referendum on the EU and Labour and the Libdems also voted NO so we have no democarcy, interesting what’s being said, bad for the 3 parties, I will just carry on and on.

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    • 57
      Hang The Bastards says:

      It is amazing how many people you talk too across the parties who have now adopted a FUCK EM attitude.

      New Dawn !!

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      • 226
        Jethro says:

        57 ‘New Dawn’? don’t tell me it means a New Saunders as well, I couldn’t stand it!

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        • 281
          The Paragnostic says:

          So long as you keep Joanna Lumley out of it – she’s not flavour of the month in Aldershot, I can tell you.

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  17. 46
    bluerinse34 says:

    Dont’t plaY ” them” at anything other than ignoring them and getting along with life
    The next time you get a threatening letter from a Govt Dept just picture the sender as either Eric Who ate all the pickles having a poo in the nude
    Or campasty telephoning legover for make up tips
    Ring them then bin the letter and laugh

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  18. 47
    Keith H says:

    First (but not the last) time that I have got angry enough to get off my arse and sign something.

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    • 50
      bluerinse34 says:

      A script for methadone?

      Be interesting to have a gander at the prescribing habits of Foxy boxer shorts
      FOI anybody?

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  19. 49
    Jimmy says:

    I foresee another petition triumph to rival “gordon out” and “bring back the rope”.

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    • 56
      bluerinse34 says:

      Please explain your values
      It will be difficult as you are Skotch , but please try xx

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      • 65
        jimmy piddle says:

        The usual socialist ones, do as I say not what I do.

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      • 101
        Jimmy says:

        By the strength of our common endeavour we achieve more than we achieve alone, so as to create for each of us the means to realise our true potential and for all of us a community in which power, wealth and opportunity are in the hands of the many, not the few, where the rights we enjoy reflect the duties we owe, and where we live together, freely, in a spirit of solidarity, tolerance and respect.

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        • 110
          The Paragnostic says:

          That’s a bit fucking Blairite, isn’t it?

          Whatever happened to the common ownership of the means of production?

          It seems that keeping the buggers and the new “turbanite” class happy is more important now…

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          • Jimmy says:

            It’s certainly a different take on race and sexuality to the guidophile model I grant you.

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          • The Paragnostic says:

            It’s the Nozickian approach – Labour trying to create a middle ground which they control by stitching together numerous incompatible constituencies.

            It worked with the smarmy one in charge, but I don’t think Miliband has the chutzpah to carry it off.

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          • Uncharacteristically, I am going to stand up for Jimmy. He was asked what he believed in and he has responded unambiguously and seriously. It is possible to look at what he is supporting and understand the viewpoint. He is entitled to believe in that.

            He is an Idealist. So am I. There the similarity ends. He does not take into account the realities of human nature as outlined by George Orwell. He does not appreciate that wealth must be created and that there is no record on this planet of substantial enduring wealth being created by a socialist system. History shows entirely the reverse.

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          • The Paragnostic says:

            Unfortunately, Cat, the usual response of Marxists is that proper communism has never been implemented – the idea remains pure but due to the failings of those who try to put it in practice it never seems to work.

            The simple fact that it goes against human nature appears lost on them.

            People want as much as possible for as little effort as possible – the secret of good management is to choose your employees from the ‘clever, but lazy’ pool, as they will find the smart way to do the job and reduce the amount of work they have to put in. These people don’t tend to thrive in an overly controlled environment, and will regress to the mean, resulting in low output.

            To be fair to Jimmy, though, he is at least prepared to debate the issues, no matter how flippant my sniping.

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          • Yes. I would rather have a thousand of him here, who you can engage and argue sensibly with, than these immature premature ejaculators of ad hominem remarks who attempt to projected their homosexual preferences upon us.

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          • Further, I would add that it is probably true to say that proper capitalism has never been implemented. What we see now is abuse of dominant position, rent-seeking instead of added-value business (cf UK v German business) and politico-economic business models far away from what true entrepreneurship should be about.

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          • Anonymous says:

            “Yes. I would rather have a thousand of him here, who you can engage and argue sensibly with, than these immature premature ejaculators of ad hominem remarks who attempt to projected their homosexual preferences upon us.”

            Bugger off you old queen.

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          • AC1 says:

            I would suggest people try Georgism, but that’s because I’m a Traditional Adam Smith Capitalist (Who knows that the only way to really lower tax is to gather privately collected taxes)..

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          • @AC1

            I’ve just had this idea. You levy a private tax on me, I’ll raise an equal one on you. We bundle the whole thing up and commoditise it. Then we get S&P to triple A it ….

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          • AC1 says:

            That’s the whole idea behind the LVT and the Citizens Dividend…

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        • 121
          AC1 says:

          Common endeavour?

          Marxism? Give me a break. It’s punishing people for work to reward people who don’t, the only commonality is that Marxism always and everywhere creates shortage.

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    • 95
      Jimmy Jimmy says:

      You must have some delightful friends, if this is all you can hate.

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  20. 52
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Guido. Any facts and figures of in versus out. Your asking us to sign without any detail. That’s what politicians do!

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    • 76
      nell says:

      I think the eu’s dawn smash and grab raids on the uk that makes them £10billion plus per annum which they spend on ridiculously generous salaries and over the top pensions and 5starhotels and foreign 1st class travel for the likes of the kinnochios and the useless catherine ashton et al is a useful fact to bear in mind when judging the worth of the uk’s membership of the eu.

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  21. 53
    Now Is Never The Time says:

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  22. 55
    Ah! Monika says:

    Circulate it to all your email contacts. There’s 70% chance you will contact who believes in a referendum. ( Will make a pleasant change from all those 24pt non-jokes)

    With luck 1,000,000 should sign within a few weeks

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    • 108

      Good advice. I have done my first 20 and only got to the Bs. Important to tell them to recirculate too.

      BTW – I never send any 24pt non-jokes…

      The earliest joke I remember was:

      Did you hear about the bloke who couldn’t tell the difference between vaseline and putty?

      His windows fell out.

      OK I’ll get me coat.

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  23. 58
    Doctor Tickle says:

    Signed

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  24. 60
    nell says:

    Utterly floored tonight. youngmrnell here to dinner, came in saying ‘ bet you’re pleased! – cameron won last night! – stopped us getting any further involved in the eu’ …….!!!!!!

    What??!

    Intelligent hardworking lad – but knows nothing of politics – thinks militwit is a powder for getting rid of mice! Sits at the dinner table whilst I’m wittering on about politics he’s thinking business and figures and production dates and stuff. And that sadly is what we are up against when we try and get the electorate to think and vote sensibly especially about the eu.

    Anyway I’ve just emailed him the link to this new epetition and asked him to circulate amongst his mates – hopefully some of them will get themselves up to speed on this issue but I’m not holding my breath!

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    • 62

      Youth. It is wasted on the young. Mine is just the same.

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      • 83
        nell says:

        I’ve been on a get fit, walking, swimming , gym plus diet to get down to 9st and I’ve been doing well. No red wine – no fizzy drinks.

        Anyway after spending the day in London (horrid place) at the Portland Hospital with young nell and then coming home tonight to that dinnertime salvo that I’m entitled to a couple of glasses of red. How did I manage to raise a child who doesn’t understand how he’s governed?

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        • 103

          The teaching profession helped…

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          • The Paragnostic says:

            Second that – but it’s the curriculum that’s really suffered. I remember being given a good grounding in politics and political philosophy at school, despite being in the maths / physics stream for A-level – everything from Plato to Thoreau, and even Bob Dylan on occasion.

            All they seem to do now is ‘holocaust studies’. Studying the most dysfunctional period in the 20th century is not a substitute for encouraging critical thought.

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          • Cannot understand this predilection for hоlоcaust studies (though valid as a subject) when they are in the main Arab supporting, anti-Zіonіst lefties.

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          • nell says:

            ‘encouraging critical thought’ ??!!

            That was outlawed by balls, brown and bliar years ago!!

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          • Which part of National Socialist party do we ignore says:

            But the whole point of studying the second world war is to repeat the lie that the Nazis were right wing.

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    • 106
      Infuriated of West Mids says:

      Ah, Nell – it’s not your fault!

      I’m in the opposite position – I’m 29, and my mum has no idea about politics whatsoever! My dad is unbeatable on political history from his younger days, but he doesn’t really bother with the ins and outs so much now. He’s been understandably jaded pretty much since the Great Lady T left office!

      At least you’re trying – I wonder how many families up and down the country actually have healthy political conversations with their meals these days (apart from the weirdly uber-political left wingers like the Miliband clan…)

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  25. 64
    Field Martial Arts Grant Ted Miliband Brothers Sisters Eagle Golden Balls Up North Pole Plumber says:

    Is it possible to demaned an unwhipped debate and vote?

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    • 109
      Infuriated of West Mids says:

      It’s *possible*, in the same way that it’s theoretically *possible* for a socialist government to have a couple of terms in office without buying votes and bankrupting the country.

      It’s just not likely.

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      • 117
        AC1 says:

        No, I don’t think that’s possible.

        The first “job” of socialism is to find someone to pick on, and someone else to benefit from it.

        National Socialism and International socialism differ only in the way they filter who to punish based on their parentage.

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    • 129
      Sick of this joke says:

      No they reject it (look at all the recently rejected petitions on the site) and they say something along the lines of:

      “Whipping is a matter for political parties and not HM Government”.

      Or in other words, you can only ask the government to debate within the threshold of the existing rules.

      In other words, go away you dirty unwashed electorate slime, we know what is in your best interests.

      Even the petitions that ask specifically for whipping to be banned are themselves banned.

      *sigh*

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    • 132
      Louise Scannon says:

      No whips ? George Osborne’ll never stand for that.

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  26. 66

    Family Bi

    Gordon Briown and Stewie Osborne are sitting on the couch watching the Parliament channel.

    Gordon Briown : I wanted to vote ..but I was too tired. I think I need a vacation.

    Stewie Osborne : How you uh, how you comin’ on that theory you’re working on? The one about how you ‘ended Boom & Bust?’ Huh? What was the title again? “I Ended Boom & Bust & Saved the World?”

    You gotta a big, uh, big stack of financial papers there? Gotta, gotta nice little economic recovery you’re working on there? Your big theory you’ve been working on for thirteen years now, Huh? Gotta, gotta compelling alternative to letting government & private debt get out of control? Yeah? Gotta obstacle for us to overcome? Huh? Like massive public sector overspending?

    Gotta theory brewing there? Working on, err..working on that for quite some time? Huh? (voice getting higher pitched) Yea, you’ve been talking about how you saved the world for nearly 4 years now. You’ve not been visiting Parliament for quite a while too?
    Been working on that Endogenous Growth Theory the whole time? Nice little Neoclassical synthesis going on? Beginning, middle, and end of recession? Keynesian macroeconomic stabilisation without the need to balance budgets in good times?
    At the end of the New Labour experience the country is richer than when you came to office? Yeah? Yeah? (voice returns to normal, Pats Brown’s knee)

    No, no,you deserve some time off.

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  27. 70
    Adolf Shitler says:

    So they don’t show all the hilarious signatories any more? What a con.

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  28. 71
    What democracy says:

    Signed this, and every other petiton about EU referendums. As someone who said yes to the EEC in 1975, we were lied to, and have been ever since.
    Lifelong Conservative, how stupid and gullible do I feel now.
    No Lib/lab/con for me, UKIP for me in future, it can’t be any worse, there all lying barstewards

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    • 92
      nell says:

      Well you’re right in everything you say. But it’s no good, like militwit, they’re never going to form a government.

      Our only hope now lies in 15% of the the tory party demanding an election for a new leader before the next general election and then on getting a tory majority.

      Yes I know it’s a tall order!!

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      • 130
        Infuriated of West Mids says:

        I don’t think it’s too far-fetched at all if Cameron carries on in his current vein.

        The Left came towards the centre with Tony Blair, and have now repositioned themselves to the left with the union-elected Miliband. Cameron learned all his lessons from Blair – he’s gone after the centre ground, and seems to have got to the “hubris” stage of his premiership very early. It’s only natural that the grass-roots Conservatives will want to re-position back to the right very shortly.

        It’s a shame, because I think Cameron’s a decent guy – and certainly the best of the crappy bunch we had to choose from in May 2010. Thank God he’s PM rather than Brown, Miliband or Clegg. And he’s definately better than any of the Labour front bench and 98% of those sitting behind it. We mustn’t forget that.

        He desperately needs someone to slap him about the face to wake up, though. God knows I give him an awful lot of leeway for having to be in bed with the Lib Dems, but he needs to remind them and himself that the Libs came third. No-one gives a shit about them. He needs to bear in mind that if the Lib Dems walk out of the coalition and an election is called, then the only losers will be the Lib Dems; and, in such a situation, he needs to have been Conservative enough to keep the Conservative vote, rather than split it with UKIP.

        God, I’ve written too much…!

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        • 135
          nell says:

          Yes but you’re right!

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        • 314
          Biffo says:

          No, He doesn’t need a face slapping. He needs a kick to the groin, a Pompey Kiss (or whatever Kiss they call it in your area) as he drops ground ward with a couple of hard kicks to the kidneys as he lies there groaning – that’d wake him up properly.

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      • 134
        annette curton says:

        UKIP could be very good nell, especially with the electoral boundary changes, all those that are hanging on to a marginal 2000, 3000 seats who toadied the party EU line will get targeted, some tactical voting at the next election will at least get rid of a few of the scum and there could be some ‘big’ names amongst them.

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        • 139
          nell says:

          Hmm. I take your point but I think we need to look at the boundary changes when they are finalised.

          I still don’t think ukip , although I like their message, have the administrative means to take over the reins of government.

          Actually what would be nice to see happen is that ukip put a few members into parliament next time and then started to take over the libdum position which seems to me to have become very stagnant.

          I once hoped actually that the libdums could take over the 2nd political position and unseat labour from no.2. but having watched their pitiful performance in govt I’ve given up that hope!

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          • not a machine says:

            I still cannot make up my mind if UKIP are really a tory alternative , they have been around for a while now , but certainly get there message over quite welll one car sticker I saw “Dont blame me i voted UKIP” was pretty good .

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          • Eeyore says:

            Nell – now there’s a thought!

            UKIP replaces LibDems, so Dave has to form a coalition with them against Labour!

            WOWEEEE!!!

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      • 151
        Rip van Wrinkle says:

        Nell, do they really need to form a Government? What a big vote for UKIP will do is put the fear of God up BOTH main political parties. Don’t think your average Labour supporter is any keener on the EU than a Tory voter.

        Both parties would lose one hell of a lot of votes.

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        • 246
          nell says:

          Yes as militwit has found out today – after his bizarre hero worshipping sarkozy moment – he’s not exactly the toast of labour voters!!

          and ukip do carry a voting punch even though they haven’t yet returned a member to the HoC.

          I live in hope that they will, next time around, have a few mp’s.

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  29. 72
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    Great idea. Signed.

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  30. 73
    Horace Norris says:

    I’ve signed and so has the good lady wife, Doris.

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  31. 74
    PrinceTight says:

    Signed it, but it didn’t change the number!

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  32. 75
    Mandy says:

    I’ve signed too and so has my wife.

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  33. 77
    Anonymous says:

    Signed

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  34. 85
    Manuel Barroso says:

    I’ve signed it.

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  35. 86
    Small minds seldom differ. says:

    Great minds think alike. I suggested this idea yesterday.

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  36. 90
    Tachybaptus says:

    Signed. Comic how it says that it may take several hours to email you. Order something from Amazon, a much larger business, and it takes seconds. But that’s the difference between the private and the public sector.

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    • 155
      annette curton says:

      They don’t quite get it, my Aunt proudly announced that she had just sent here first e-mail, she typed it up on the big screen then printed it off to hard copy, then put it in an envelope and addressed it with a second class stamp to the recipient.

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      • 330
        Tie Poe says:

        I do hope she didn’t bugger up your screen with all those Tippex corrections though.

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        • 331
          Ancient but very surprised relative says:

          Last night I reached for my liquid viagra and, being engrossed in the film, accidentally swigged from my bottle of Tippex. I woke this morning with a ginormous correction.

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  37. 94
    Anonymous says:

    Sign… diddly… ined!

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  38. 102
    David Camewrong says:

    Now is not the time. The Dark Lord knows, when you’re up to your ankles in Sarkozies it’s hard to remind yourself that the original objective was to drain everyone’s bank account to fund one’s EU-pension.

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  39. 114
    David Ickes Fanclub says:

    I have signed but Google won’t let me confirm my email. Dark forces at work? :(

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  40. 119
    The Paragnostic says:

    Come on the Shots!

    Just kicked off – 6-1 again?

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  41. 119
    nell says:

    1951 and counting. And that’s just in one day!!

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  42. 136
    Europe says:

    It’s the final countdown. Doo de do doo de do doo
    For the Euro meltown!

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  43. 142
    Time will tell says:

    I see Aljabeeb are still creaming their knickers over Camerons epetition fiasco.

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  44. 143
    jay mason says:

    2150 and counting

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  45. 147
    7850+ needed says:

    2150 signatures so far.

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  46. 148
    nell says:

    http://www.runcornandwidnesweeklynews.co.uk/runcorn-widnes-news/runcorn-widnes-local-news/2011/10/25/halton-mp-derek-twigg-joins-ed-miliband-baroness-warsi-and-hari-dhillon-at-silver-star-diabetes-challenge-launch-55368-29657401/

    talking of epetitions – the Hoc has been visited today and given free advice on diabetes, exercise and diet together with a panoply of tests available for free right in their workplace – no effort. Maybe we need an epetition to give we plebs the same benefits!

    you try and get that range of advice and tests available, even through your gp, without believeing you’ve already got a problem and you’ll struggle!

    but then I guess mp’s are special and have to be protected and wrapped up in cotton wool. Part of their extended perks after all!!

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    • 154
      The Paragnostic says:

      Lloyds Pharmacy (disclaimer – I used to have the odd beer with Allen Lloyd, and he’s a sound guy) still do free diabetes tests, I think – another example of the evils of private health…

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      • 168
        nell says:

        Yes sorry Paragnostic feeling weary tonight .

        Here we have the likes of militwit and baronesswarsi making sure they are at the forefront of getting the best of comprehensive free medical tests and advice, for themselves, delivered to their doorstep.

        Here we are with youngnell, with a range of complex medical problems, having to travel to London to get private medical help because the nhs is so slow or uncaring about the conditions of disabled children ( unless they belong to the likes of cameron or brown) that in our case our lass would be likely utterly disabled or dead if we hadn’t fought, travelled and paid for help.

        And we are not unusual. I have talked to a lot of parents with disabled children – I have NEVER talked to one who has not had to fight, or to pay, to get fair access to education and health for their kids!!

        It isn’t fair.

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        • 229
          Eeyore says:

          As you say, nell, it is not fair. It is an outrageous betrayal. Nobody could read your post and be unmoved.

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    • 171
      AC1 says:

      Time to end the NHS.

      Stop making being a patient with a cost to minimise and become a customer it pays to help.

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      • 183
        Tessa Tickles says:

        Or, arm patients’ families with handguns. Then, when you see the NHS Deathcamp operatives ignoring your sick relative (because NHS staff prefer to stand around talking about union activity – been there, got the t-shirt), you can point the gun the leftwing cretins and give them 3 seconds to deal with your relative’s problems, or have their leftwing unionised brains spattered all over a wall.

        Or, yes, you could end the NHS. But my solution is so much more exciting.

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        • 207
          The Paragnostic says:

          Where’s Freddie Flintoff when you need him?

          A shotgun up the arse is what these people need!

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  47. 153
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

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  48. 159
    Sir Reginald Titbrain [Decd.] says:

    Just seen this on OH’s blog

    http://www.capefarewell.com/art.html

    More of our money being pissed up the wall by the BBC and the Arts Council

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  49. 161
    Anonymous says:

    And lets have another urgent “citizens” motion calling for a vote of confidence on Mr Cameron’s suitability to represent the interests of the citizens of the UK – UNWHIPPED of course!

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  50. 166
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

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  51. 170
    Tom Watson says:

    Today is the most humble day of my life. I only ate 17 Big Macs.

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  52. 172
    Truth seeker says:

    Europe is heading for a deep recession regardless of whether we have a referendum or not.

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    • 176
      Tessa Tickles says:

      I’d like to see a deep recession in Camoron’s skull.

      Caused by a pick-axe, baseball bat, or just a good ol’ fashioned anarchist’s bullet.

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  53. 176
    Shit Stabbers says:

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  54. 178
    Brown shitstains says:

    Is there a petition to axe the BBC telly tax?

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  55. 187
    not a machine says:

    I cant say I really understood Nick Cleggs comment “they always seem to get a bee in the bonnet over europe” I would have been happier if he had tried “they always get a bee in the bonnet over massive debts and bailouts”

    Wasnt too sure if a rather gleefull “zee rebellion vill be finished” innuendo was offered with “offering leadeship” line either .

    However a lot of hitting the airwaves occured and an awful lot of dodgeing about the morality of the will of the people . One of my favourites was Nigel Farrage on radio (who was extraordinarily patient) explaining the plain trade agreement , phone in guest “I am perhaps a little different from your other callers in that I think the european project is a good thing (at this point I was wondering if it was the new version of lord haw Haw ) , we have trade and I am not a little Englander ” ………. He carried on gushing without even mentioning debt or bailout or how many jobs have been lost . I then remembered the term “little Englander” being used in another debate , aligning it with a sort of infantile behaviour , which is a bit unfair as its not only people from England who oppose what the EU is about . Farrage informed that more trade is done with us by the EU , than we do with it , I dont know if this strict money or quantity .

    I think there are some other questions which perhaps will arise out of yesterdays vote , but I am sure , we certainly didnt get any proper debate and even beyond that quite understand that the EU was a pan contient corporatist /lobbyiest construct .
    As farrage pointed out , there is no mechanism for removing from power these people that control the EU …… Dave , Nick and George and Ed seem to be unable to mention this .

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    • 211
      Spanner in the works says:

      They cannot mention it as they are part of it.

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    • 213
      Comrade Jedwood says:

      What no-one ever seems to explain is how the Russians, Brazilians, Indians, Chinese and Americans are able to do so much trade with the EU without being members or even in the EEA but we would not be able to.

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    • 219
      Tessa Tickles says:

      “I dont know if this strict money or quantity “

      It’s money. There’s a huge trade deficit with the EU.

      So, if our EU “partners” sought to punish us (as all good friends do) for leaving their club, we could ban, say, everything made in France and Italy and Spain and Germany.

      Goodbye Fiat. Goodbye Citroen. Auf wiedersehen VW/Audi. Cheerio French wine industry. The list goes on. As the dole queues grow on the continent, our “partners” might review their tactics.

      But this is all irrelevant because the LibLabCon scum choose to ignore us. However, after the next election when the LibDims are dust and Camoron’s faux-Tory party is justly fractured and Britain gets another 5 years of lunacy at the hands of Milimong – puppet of the Communist union barons – we may get a new Conservative Party, one not run by thieving traitors and cowards such as Camoron, committed to sorting-out all our problems. But it’s going to be 10 years before it happens.

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      • 225
        Eeyore says:

        Sorry TT 219 for apparent copycatting. Wish I’d seen your excellent post before writing mine!

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      • 228
        not a machine says:

        So not only do we now pay £43mn a day to EU , but we get a trade deficet as well and a share of the bust/bailout , I really must thank the ruin personally !

        Fianace summit cancelled , cant agree which end of turd of there own making , they have to force everyone to eat from .

        be nice if someone could an updated debts and deficets table for all EU countries ,

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    • 222
      Eeyore says:

      I heard that 40 per cent of the EU’s exports are to the UK. Even if we were completely out of the EU, they’d still want to keep on selling us all those Mercs, Beemers, Citroens and Renaults – not to mention the wine and cheese. So we would not be cut off.

      Farage is on the button here. Some time ago the sainted Janet Daly wrote an article stating that the EU was INTENTIONALLY set up as undemocratic – Europe’s leaders had seen where democracy had got them in the 1920s/30s and did not want a re-run of Adolf and Musso. So they set up the EEC/EU to be run unaccountably by reliable possessors of wisdom, ie themselves.

      So let nobody be surprised that Brussels is indifferent to, and proof against, the will of the people. It was DESIGNED to be so.

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  56. 188
    simon r says:

    signed both of them

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  57. 189
    labourunionsbbc we are one says:

    Signed, seald and delivered.

    Good tactic this plays them at their own game, which they can’t complain at because if they do it exposes their own devious practice.

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  58. 190
    Geoffrey G Brooking says:

    Love it and signed it :)

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  59. 191
    'Gypsy' Dave Cooper says:

    Done, but why has Huhne still not been fucking charged?

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    • 210
      Tessa Tickles says:

      Because he’s one of Camoron’s LimpDim chums. And Camoron loves the LimpDims as much as he hates Conservative supporters.

      Which is a lot. Because Camoron’s an utter c*nt.

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  60. 198
    John Major says:

    Done – signed (and the unwhipped one)

    Strangely I suspect Jack all will come of it but as I’ve already cut up the Tory party membership, slagged off by E Mail my toe rag of an MP (N Soames), joined UKIP, I can’t think of anything else to do !

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  61. 201
    saffron says:

    Tory party what you waiting for?,after yesterdays performance from Cammo showing his absolute disdain of the British public.
    Why in heavens name are 15%+ of you not considering a change of leader to someone who truly represents this nation and it’s long held values.
    The EUSSR is and always has been a basket case of failed communistas.
    Every attempt by these guys over years has failed,communism is state capitalism,end of.

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    • 259
      redwood, carswell...etc says:

      fucking bullshitting cowards, thats why.
      Acting billy big bollocks in yesterday’s debate is all fine and good, but having the bollocks to get rid of the duplicitous Hunt leading the country (and their party) to destruction really would take nerve, which they simply havent got

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  62. 215
    Petitioniste says:

    2742

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  63. 217
    Eeyore says:

    Signed – and thanks, Guido, for giving us the chance to.

    We MUST keep on at this until they actually listen.

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  64. 221
    In Gold I trust says:

    Signed.

    97,000 to go.

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  65. 224
    Sky News saturation coverage of a fucking boring trial says:

    Can someone get Conrad Murray to be Ed Balls’ personal doctor?

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  66. 235
    Scrobs... says:

    FFS Cameron, pull your f*****g finger out…
    Just today, I had a long-awaited meeting with three accomplished and professional property people. It had taken me three weeks to get these people together.

    It was a sparse lunch, yeah, a couple of tinctures, but the theme was still exasperation, and severe angst at the failure of this blasted government with their lacky banks, to bring it on.

    We discussed seven schemes. Seven big building projects, ranging from, roughly – £6m to £15 million pounds.

    Each one, when costed, appraised and verified, (RICS standards I might add) showed a minimal profit for us, but, 10% of fees going to other starving businesses, like architects, engineers, builders etc. There was a huge element of ‘funding’ expectation (i.e. what the banks will rake in for their ludicrous ‘risk’), but this stupid administration are getting as bad as the last lot. You’d expect a nulabour crowd to be incompetent and clueless where commercial expertise is required, but the piddling about we’re coping with right now is insufferable.

    That 10% going to others, (forget the banks’ take, they’ll stuff you anyway) therefore amounts to about £7,000,000 pounds, which will be used up by waiting, desperate, consultants, builders, sub-contractors etc. The figures are all calculated correctly, and they meet normal financial requirements for funding. There would also be approximately 425 jobs created from our schemes.

    From now on in, we are forced to ‘negotiate’ with councils for planning permission. We’re not digging out green belt land, despoiling the parks etc, we’re commercial people, making jobs in business areas etc. Councils prefer to prevaricate for months, while the meter clocks up thousands of pounds in interest (banks again), and of course, they might well charge for their ‘advice’. It’s an utter disgrace that these little twerps can hold so much business to ransom, sit on their hands, and try to apply an obscure policy which is beyond his/her understanding, or they go on paternity leave.

    So Scrobs is feeling a bit let down by Cameron and his bunch of wandering people. At this rate, he’ll be asking the Hon Prospective Member for UKIP a few serious questions, like, ‘If you get in, how will you look after your own country first…?’

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    • 236
      Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

      Guardian that way>>>>>>

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    • 242
      nell says:

      Well Scrobs it’s no good hoping for fairytale solutions like ukip taking over government,

      It isn’t going to happen.

      But one thing the construction industry could lobby against is the requirement for UK contracts to be offered throughout the eu and then awarded to the cheapest eu contractor even when that eu contractor delivers, as they mostly do when they come from abroad, a rubbish job produced by foreign unskilled labour.

      The disgrace is that many of those eu contractors working here aren’t even allowed to work in their own countries because their standards are too low and yet the uk lets them in here!!

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      • 251
        Anon says:

        You should see the crap that Keir have been allowed to get up to in Waltham Fiorest using French dustcarts

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        • 274
          nell says:

          If they are french dustcarts – then rubbish is only to be expected!!

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          • Scrobs... says:

            Spare a thought for Kier on another of their businesses though Nell, they have to deal with Network Rail, which is, in some cases, even worse…

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      • 322
        Scrobs... says:

        Oh, absolutely Nell!

        The time spent on filling in wasteful forms for OJEUs is a well known put-off for commercial enterprise. To think that the info we have to collect to show some pimply little eurocrat, just to get a bog cleaned is utterly absurd.

        Presumably Billy doesn’t know me. TWT does though, Thankyou!!

        .

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        • 334
          rvi says:

          I know you Mr Scrobs (not personally, but you know what I mean).

          Send a copy of that to the Mail and a suitable Murdoch outlet. Well said mate, you have my full sympathy – which is why me and the missus buggered off for good, as you already know. .

          Lots of opportunities for skilled committed professsionals outside the confines of the EU barbed wire. ED and LD will manage on their own – or even go with you to the fair uplands of abroad. You and Mrs S should seriously think about it.

          Toodle Pip.

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          • Scrobs... says:

            Reevers!

            How the devil are you then! Of course, it’s great to hear from you again!

            It seems that Scrobs Inc is now too enfolded with loyal colleagues, and we’re just sticking it out, because there’s really no alternative, other than to turn up one’s toes.

            The barriers we face are not only political, they’re a downright conspiracy to squeeze struggling businesses as an easy option against taking risk.In fact they’re not really political in the real sense, it’s just that the sort of people who hold all the hoops we have to jump through are commercially naive and incapable of making a decision at any cost.

            For better or worse, we’ve decided to make a go of what we’ve built up, despite the huge problems scattered in front of us. I’d still prefer to be in this position, than wondering on the drive home if the job’s going to be there on a monday morning, this way, we at least have some sort of control.

            Come back to the site when you have a moment, (it’s the same post actually), but last evening the steam-release guage topped out, so I put it everywher just to make me feel I’ve done something…

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  67. 238
    Goldilocks says:

    Where can I find a list of who voted for the motion last night.

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  68. 239
    'Gypsy' Dave Cooper says:

    Why beat around the bush with all these ‘e’ petitions?

    Puts all eggs in one basket therfore gaining maximum support.

    ‘Do you agree that the House of Commons is a disgrace to democracy?’

    Who could disagree…

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  69. 245
    True Tory Voter says:

    Just signed the second e-petition

    The Dictator Cameron will soon be spluttering all over his morning cornflakes when he see’s this petition pop up again.

    DC will not be amused at this re-run but then neither was I @ being ignored by our elected representatives the first time round. If its good enough for the EUSSR to re-run votes again until it gets the results it wants, then thats good enough for me, something that DC will have to get used to & then act like a statesman in respecting the will of the people, something he needs to remember.

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  70. 248

    Oops! Germany reject Euro Deal (understandably). Batten down the hatches!

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  71. 249
    nell says:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-25/europe-struggles-for-remedy-to-euro-zone-crisis-as-final-package-fizzles.html

    Oh musn’t gloat I suppose.

    leaders go on holiday for a few days and come back tomorrow with no solution in sight

    the yanks say this crisis is going to grind on and on…………………..

    italy is going down the tubes and will need a bailout next ( well what does anyone expect with berlusconni in charge?)

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  72. 250
    Anonymous says:

    Signed and shared

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  73. 252
    True Tory Voter says:

    Just Signed this second petition.

    Trust it will only be a short space of time before Dictator Cameron is again nearly choking on his cornflakes as this passes the 100K mark on its way to 2M signatures.

    You can kid some of the people some of the time, but you can’t kid all of the people all of the time.

    Something DC need to understand & very quickly.

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  74. 255
    Gordon Brown says:

    I always vote on my motions.

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    • 267
      Near Destitute Voter says:

      Please climb into the toilet bowl along with your motions & flush yourself away !!

      The world & the universe will be very grateful @ such a rational, helpful decision !!

      Like

  75. 257
    Name and Shame says:

    I know my MP was at the debate as she asked Dave a question. But on the record she neither abstained, voted Aye or Nay.

    SARAH NEWTON MP Conservative, what happened?

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  76. 258
    True Tory Voter says:

    so far “3,194” have signed the new petition

    Like

  77. 263
    ahem.... says:

    why didnt Vaz vote?

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  78. 266
    alex taylor says:

    what l have done is email my mp and asked for the number of requests for her to vote for or against the referendum. l have had a return email for my address, so l might just get a set of numbers

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    • 271
      nell says:

      Wouldn;t hold your breath sweetie.

      I wrote my mp (shailesh vara) to ask which way he was going to vote days before it happened. He never responded and I’m still waiting.

      I watched him sit in that HoC all night and never say a word . Then he voted against it. He simply lacked the courage ( or perhaps couldn’t be bothered) to tell his electorate what he was going to do or why he did it.

      Typical arrogant political elite – so reminiscent of the communist ‘masters’ that have come to grief over the last 15 years as communism has fallen. No respect for democracy or the electorate.

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      • 275
        Twat watch says:

        Same here Nell. But last time I was prepared to give Dave and his MPs the benefit of the doubt. That it seems was misplaced and if UKIP put up a candidate next time they will get my vote if not then I will spoil my paper.

        The Conservative party no longer represents the Conservative voter.

        FFS the EU has proven that it is a pile of Socialist shite and Dave says we must support the EU.

        Get a life Dave. You Hunt.

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  79. 269
    The BBC shit stabbers says:

    So Gaddafi had something big and hard shoved up his bottom then. Oh if only w could have been there to do it.

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  80. 270
    Elgin's lost his Marbles says:

    Mr Cameron, who’s not bitter at all, has expelled the Eurosceptic rebels from the party and taken a leaf from the Scottish candidate’s book. He is ditching the discredited term “Conservative” and has re-formed the party as “Cameron’s United New Tories”. Problem is, the acronym….

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  81. 272
    domino316 says:

    Dear Mr. Ben Ali, please leave Tunisia or we will be forced to submit a petition.

    Dear Mr. Mubarak, please leave Egypt or we will be forced to submit a petition.

    Dear Mr. Gaddafi, please leave Libya or we will be forced to submit a petition.

    What part of “they don’t give a rats a rse what you want”…new boss same as the sleazy lying old boss.

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  82. 279
    albacore says:

    Don’t you just love Lib/Lab/Con democracy?
    There’s voters and then there’s aristocracy
    When I was at school, in the history books
    I seem to recall there were similar crooks
    Then someone invented a guilloutine
    And – sacre bleu! – no more toffs to be seen
    That metaphor, though, I can’t carry on
    ‘Cos we’ve already got one Napoleon

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  83. 280

    Policeman Sacked Over Bungling 999 Calls

    PM Sacked for Bungling Petition Calls?

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  84. 284
    David Cameron 2005 says:

    Everyone knows that business need deregulation to compete with China and India. Who is standing in the way? The great regulator and controller, Gordon Brown.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2005/oct/04/conservatives2005.conservatives3

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  85. 286

    On providing support to Italy, Angela Merkel said: “We’re in an area here where we’re all entering virgin territory.”

    Does Berlusconi have any such terrain left?

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  86. 289
    The Paragnostic says:

    A bit of Belloc, I think, before I lay my weary head down:

    “Here richly, with ridiculous display,
    The Politician’s corpse was laid away.
    While all of his acquaintance sneered and slanged
    I wept: for I had longed to see him hanged.”

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  87. 291
    forthurst says:

    Wrong e-petition.

    We need an e-petition demanding that all future debates on e-petitions are conducted without whipping.

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  88. 300
    The Piss Soaked Tramp Formally Known As TAT! says:

    VOTE UKIP and B…..Eeeennnnnn…..EPPPPPPPPPPP the only parties that scare the big three.

    Like

  89. 301
    Disgusted says:

    OT

    Please ensure this gets maximum publicity until the unhinged bully is forced to resign his seat in Parliament.

    http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-news/3509-scottish-labour-mp-under-pressure-to-resign-after-claims-he-threatened-a-female-mp.html

    Yet another reason Labour are unfit for office.

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    • 313
      Another Engineer says:

      Normal behaviour for certain members of our Scottish brethren. Particularly those from certain areas of Glasgow.

      See: Reid, John.

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  90. 304
    Hang The Bastards says:

    WHITE FEATHER

    Just emailed my MP who didn’t vote for a Referendum the following pic of a White feather. The Recognised symbol of cowardice.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/A_single_white_feather_closeup.jpg/200px-A_single_white_feather_closeup.jpg

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  91. 310
    sg-strummer says:

    Done. Now at at 3,681

    Like

  92. 318
    Just one day says:

    Number of signatures:
    3,796

    Like

  93. 320
    Revote required says:

    Signed

    Like

    • 321
      Freedom - the UK Spring says:

      Oi! Cameron fancy a five year mandate with an overwhelming landslide victory?

      Simply call a snap election with the promise of a mandated referendum (in big block letters on page one of the manifesto) – Oh and work with UKIP.

      Those european fukkers are like a drowning man going down for the 2nd time – Please do not allow us to be dragged down too.

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  94. 324
    Anonymous says:

    Play them at their own game – throw their soundbites and promises back at them

    http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k558/lyingpolitician/DeceptionClegg-1.jpg

    http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k558/lyingpolitician/DeceptionClegg-2.jpg

    Create your own visual comments and share them with all your friends !

    more to come for the rest of the lying pack……….

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  95. 326
    You no longer act in our name..... Mr Cameron says:

    Signed…the situation in Europe is now out of control and the British people demand that we do not agree to any further demands for monies from the EU/IMF without a referendum…

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2053456/Eurozone-debt-crisis-UKs-huge-euro-bailout-rescue-talks-collapse-chaos.html

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  96. 329
    It is a truth universally acknowledged... says:

    “After private protests from Mr Clegg, Downing Street made clear that Mr Cameron had made his promises of reform not as Prime Minister, but merely as Conservative Party leader.

    Mr Cameron’s pledge to repatriate power from Brussels was not official government policy, a spokesman for No 10 said. ”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/8849273/Tory-demands-on-EU-powers-are-impossible-for-Coalition-says-Nick-Clegg.html

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  97. 336
    £55,000,000 per DAY says:

    People like Cameron and others are being payed by the EU to keep us in it !

    Like

  98. 338
    nell says:

    24 hours in and 4152 and counting……………..

    Unfortunately for cameron it seems this petition is growing faster than the first one.

    With the aid of facebook, twitter, blogging etc who knows what the final figure might be.

    By the by anyone managed to set up one about abolishing the biased beeb license fee yet? That would be another good one to get them to debate in parliament.

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  99. 344
    Man With A Very Hot Bladder says:

    Signed!

    Like

  100. 351
    Hang The Bastards says:

    Over 5,000 already….. Its going like a train…

    In another 19 days they will have to reconsider this one as well !!!

    Like

    • 356
      Hang The Bastards says:

      7,000 in less than 48 hours….

      We’ll get it on the agenda in 2 weeks. I hope your watching the counter tick up Mr Cast Iron Man

      Like

  101. 352
    HenryV says:

    As for Nick Clegg surely 80 Tory MPs who voted for out weigh the 50 LibDums who voted for?

    Like

  102. 355
    J A Jones says:

    I want to know why King Nick Clegg is not wearing his crown.

    Like

  103. 357
    JohnBUK says:

    I’m in!

    Like

  104. 361
    ziniya says:

    this website is just rubbish it dosn’t tell much thngs abount guy fawkes

    Like


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