October 25th, 2011

Pilgrims to be Debated In Parliament Tomorrow

Straight after the 7pm vote in the House tomorrow, surviving Tory PPS Aidan Burley will redeem himself for his voting behaviour yesterday. He has tabled an Adjournment Debate on a favourite subject:  “Funding from the public purse of trade union officials”.

Burley will get around fifteen minutes to speak and is guaranteed a Ministerial reply. Though the promise to end the practice of tax-payer funded officials was made at Tory conference, it’s not as if the government have had a good week for doing what they once said they would.

Good to see that the pressure is being kept on…


  1. 1
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Good but still not enough to restore trust after yesterday.

  2. 2
    Jimmy says:

    An adjournment debate? This is huge. It’ll be an EDM next.

  3. 3
    Jane Pilgrim says:

    I think the public should pay for me to take my staff on trips to John Lewis and Wagamama. They do a cracking chicken katsu curry.

  4. 4
    Jane Pilgrim's former acting career says:

  5. 5
    Pissed off voter says:

    Ok, I can hear the accusations already, but help me out here …

    Why on earth would all three parties use a three line whip on this?

    The vote was not binding, regardless of whips the result would most likely have been the same with a different majority – there are enough brown-nosers to ensure that – and, most certainly, a one line whip from just one party would have been sufficient. Yet all three party leaders went for it … I smell collusion. OK, OK, but at least hear me out.

    To allow the electorate to make this decision would set a precedent. A very serious precedent if you happen to be in a position which accords you much power, privilege and respect (the position, not necessarily the holder :)). There are, after all, expenses, kick-backs, pensions, influence, luxurious holidays and future job prospects,etc at stake but perhaps most of all there is power itself.

    If the great unwashed are allowed to make one decision, they will want to make another … and another. Where does that leave our lords, ladies and honourable members? For a politician, this is all much too close to democracy.

  6. 6
    Handycock No1 Trougher in Parliament says:

    You have a good point Jane. There are some things that it is vital for the public purse to pay for, such as my trips to Russia and Eastern Europe, and my love nest in London that I shared with my dear Katya for 4 years.

  7. 7
    les says:

    I think Cameron made the right call for now – and will be vindicated.

    I think this is interesting

    MikeSmithsonPB Mike Smithson
    The polling the Eurosceptics hate seeing. Once again concern about the EU barely registers bit.ly/tjQhGE

  8. 8
    Ah! Monika says:

    Pilgrims to be Debated In Parliament Tomorrow

    Wavy Davy will give them a rise and 28 weeks holiday

  9. 9
    Anonymous says:

    when you work for local gov and are shat on by those at the top of/and-or climbing the greasy pole, unions are the only protection you have, seeing as the public purse can find liam fox 17 grand for the inconvenience of being caught with his trousers down, surely the public purse can spare a few k’s for minimal public support of unions

  10. 10
    There's far worse than Cameron says:

    I understand the anger over Call Me Dave’s betrayal but be realistic: who would you want to replace him as leader? David Davis? John Redwood? Ken Clarke?! For all his flaws, he’s constrained by being in a coalition. What you have to remember is the danger of creating so much internal chaos that the worst thing imaginable happens, and that’s letting Labour back in. Cameron’s a bit shit but I’ll take him over Ed Miliband as prime minister and Blinky as chancellor.

  11. 11
    The Weimar Republican says:

    Aidan Burely will not redeem himself.

    The man is a clearly a scumbag who does not care less about the people of this country.

  12. 12
    Pissed off voter says:

    quite so. Important as the pilgrim issue is, it pales in significance against the EU pantomime.

  13. 13
    The Weimar Republican says:

    You are wrong. It will come back to bite Cameron and his fellow-travellors on the arse.

    But more inmportant than the fate of a two-bit politician, the British people will continue to live like serfs in their own country and be bled white by a bloodsucking political class based here and in Brussels. That is criminal.

  14. 14
    Tax Payer says:

    Without a 3-line whip the Conservative pro-referendum vote could have been 200+. All ministers would have been free to vote how they wished.

    Imagine Dave’s credibility in Europe after that? He thinks that matters, hence the whipping.

  15. 15
    The Weimar Republican says:

    Its not a few ks, it is millions of pounds, most of which gets syphoned into the coffers of the Labour Party.

  16. 16
    Sick of the greed and lies says:

    My time in Central Government and Local Government showed me that the unions are good at shouting and promising a lot but delivering very little. They then would put up their subs which usually wiped out any paltry rise that was “won”.
    My wife is about to be privatised from her Civil Service job and the PCS have done F*ck all apart from a half days strike which achieved absolutely nothing. Their Leader was on the radio this morning and as usual no grip on reality.

  17. 17
    Tax Payer says:

    In fact, if Labour had had a free vote as well we could well have had a majority FOR a referendum; and a powerful argument for actually having one. Imagine that! Democracy in action!

    So obviously it had to be stopped.

  18. 18
    The Weimar Republican says:

    The ‘better the devil you know’ argument would make sense if cameron were any better than Labour, but he isn’t. He is following the policies of the last government and leading the country into mediocrity and failure.

  19. 19
    Marmite says:

    Well said no. 10. If the whingers on this blog want the Leiber party back in, they want their effing heads looking at

  20. 20
    Dud says:

    Dave is chief turd, floating in a pit of turds (but yes, better than the alternatives at the moment).

  21. 21
    The Weimar Republican says:

    I don’t want Labour back. What I want is a government which has a bit more ambition, has better ideas and far far more financial and poltical accumen than that. Sadly, this current shower are just as crap as Labour.

  22. 22
    Tory Voter says:

    so the taxpayer supports the unions whilst the unions support the labour party! It doesn’t sound right to me, a taxpayer, who doesn’t support labour.

  23. 23
    Fiscal Gerrymandering says:

    Pilgrim will do a Sharon Shoesmith and claim unlawful ministerial interference in the civil service and after reaching the High Court in three years time some weirdy beardy judge will award her £1 million compensation and the whole affair will cost us £50 million (that is £25 million in today’s money, but accounts for Dave’s rampant QE/Weimar printing press).

  24. 24
    Time will tell says:

    Allthough planet PB is a place to go for expert things to do with numbers and horses and I admit the geeks are good, it’s lovely place to get headaches ,but the data is from pollsters , like most people I will tell them what I think they want to know ,like red ed is great (ugh), go do your own polling and maybe we look a the figures, the only true poll is when people have finished voting.

  25. 25
    Don Cox says:

    Each pilgrim that is removed will be replaced by two extra Human Resource staff. There will be no saving.

  26. 26
    Marmite says:

    It’s a coalition, and the tories have the great misfortune of being in bed with the Limp Dums, so it’s hardly likely that Cameron can have the government he wants.
    Personally I wish we’d had another election .

  27. 27
    Time will tell says:

    Rusty has let Liebour win, by being so bloody stupid, the vote last night an epeoples attempt on a maybe promise just like a manifesto and he failed misererably to let it go on, bringing out the big guns he’s destroyed the Conservative party and shown how much of an oik he is by allowing the left to claim ascendency and innocence but making sure the crap didn’t hit them, he’s a loser bye bye, next please.

  28. 28
    Marmite says:

    Don’t talk like a pillock Monika.

  29. 29
    It is a truth universally acknowledged says:

    Whilst not arguing about the political acumen of the present bunch you have to appreciate that firstly due to the campaign in the run up to the 2010 election,Cameron’s cack-handed performance in the first PM debate which allowed Clegg to gain the “Big Mo” the Conservatives failed to win an overall majority against what most people acknowledge to be the worst PM in living memory so Cameron is ham-strung by the LibDems and secondly that Labour busted th country and in the six months prior to the 2010 campaign were writing out “post dated”cheques willy-nilly when they knew full well that there was no money in the account but that by the time they were returned “Refer to Drawer” by the bank they would be long gone…anyone taking over then would be in the same mess….it almost makes you wish that Cameron had walked away and allowed Brown to form an administration for 6 months,the countries economy implode a further election which the Conservatives would have won with a landslide….but we are where we are and Cameron is the best of the current bunch of existing party leaders and the top of the pack when it comes to anyone else in the Tory party as regards leadership potential at the moment so he’s here until at least 2015 for better or worse………..

  30. 30

    Proud of your party last night?

  31. 31
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

  32. 32
    AC1 says:

    More labour MPs voted with the government than conservative…

    Some opposition!

  33. 33
    annette curton says:

    *** Breaking News***
    Johns Bunyon removed by NHS Pilgrim.

  34. 34
    AC1 says:

    >Imagine Dave’s credibility in Europe after that?

    It would be massive. The threat to withdraw the money looted from UK taxpayers would cause a return to reality for the eussr politburo.

  35. 35
    Archer Karcher says:

    Cameron is on almost the same trajectory as the Labour filth who he replaced, using slogans like ‘we can’t go on like this’ when in opposition. Then when he did get into office, lo and behold, he adopted virtually all the policies of Labour and continued to ‘go on like this’.

  36. 36
    Bemused says:

    The 483 MP’s that voted against giving the people a referendum should now be considered TRAITORS.

  37. 37

    Don’t forget that you will need four compliance officers for that and then five cost-savings officers at £125,000 each.

  38. 38

    Not an Ed crotch shot, please.

  39. 39
    Three lines of whipped cream says:

    One good thing to come out of that debate is conclusive proof that all three of the major parties are committed to Europe. They all proved themselves to be undemocratic and united on the European issue, adamant that we can never leave, no matter how mealy-mouthed their excuses are. None will be willing to hold a referendum, none are willing to listen to the people, so who is there left to vote for?

  40. 40
  41. 41
    Tax Payer says:

    He wishes

  42. 42
    Pissed off voter says:

    I’m having a struggle imagining Dave’s credibility in Europe.

  43. 43
    Andrew Efiong says:

    Nothing to debate. Just legislate to get these slackers back to real jobs.

  44. 44
    Anonymous says:

    “Cameron’s a bit ***t”. Wrongly described;he’s a total s**t, just like all those politicons who will promise anything to gain/maintain power & access to the trough.
    He has shown his lack of suitability for a position of the utmost importance to the welfare of the country & this will be reflected by a substantial shift away from the tories when the electorate next have a general election.

  45. 45

    …or put it another way, more Conservative MPs listened to the public than either of the other main parties.

  46. 46
    Dud says:

    All the opposition was within the “government”.

  47. 47
    Pissed off voter says:

    I think Cameron’s handling of the e-petition has a lot in common with Clegg’s handling of tuition fees or, indeed, the EU referendum.

  48. 48
    Time 2 CTRL, ALT & DEL says:

    REd missed a golden open goal opportunity to put the government in real trouble, but instead he puts it in his own net.
    Bet Dave said another prayer of thanksgiving that the unions backed Ed.

  49. 49
    Billy Bowden is the world's greatest umpire! says:

    I was standing next to a black chap whilst pissing at a urinal.. As he walked out the bloke the other side of me said “So it is true what they say about black men then.”

    “You saw his cock from there?” I replied.

    “No. He just stole your wallet you daft hoon.”

  50. 50
    Sir Humphrey Appleby says:

    “While it may appear as if some purpose would be served by requiring those who are, as we say, ‘Pilgrims,’ to actually work at what they do and not be paid by the taxpayer for union activities, one question is sorely and conspicuously begged, Minister: What makes anyone assume these people are any good in those careers? They may be deadwood for aught we know, or more harmful in the performance of their duties than in the non-performance of same.”

  51. 51

    But it’s not a steady job. He has got to fill his boots whilst he can so that he can get his inflation proof pension, benefits and possibly an advance up the greasy pole. Take pity on the poor creature.

  52. 52
    Popeye says:

    This Government keeping it’s word? That’s a joke…right?
    My own MP was on the Politics Show Sunday saying as how he was going to vote for the motion, He had already signed the motion, I have a letter from him last week saying much the same. Yesterday I see he went through the noes lobby. His name is Ian Liddell-Grainger.
    I know its his democratic right to change his mind, but I think he is just a liar that will not get my vote again.

  53. 53
    Tax Payer says:

    Quite right. Sneaky turncoat. No doubt he is now on the UK-Caribbean friendship committee.

  54. 54
    Archer Karcher says:

    I am sure a carbon reduction officer or two and some gender awareness co-ordinators along with a diversity mentor should not be overlooked either. These very important ‘front line’ positions are essential, for the successful running of an A&E department in modern progressive Britain now.

  55. 55
    Ah! Monika says:

    Can’t see Bill Quango on the list of MPs voting ‘Yes’ !

  56. 56
    Anonymous says:

    Cameron is a liar and a traitor, it is not the coalition. He was the same before the election, do you remember the excuse then? “He can’t do anything he’s not the Prime Minister”

  57. 57
    annette curton says:

    From Plain Ease to the Valley of Humiliation.

  58. 58
    Marmite says:

    I wonder how the Leiber party will vote on this Pilgrim business? What with the Unions on at him, and threatening to cut their donations to the Leiber Party, he must be gurning and dribbling in a dark corner somewhere now.

  59. 59
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    He was doing his expenses.

  60. 60
    Dud says:

    and get labour back? I hope not. Crap tories held up by crap lib dems, better even crapper labour.

  61. 61
    AC1 says:


    Expect massive anti-war marches in 5,4,3,2,1,0, -1, -2 ….

    Oh it was all just a marxist front group that had nothing to do with opposing war.

  62. 62
    Rh- says:

    check out the grauniad … just about every single readers post on the subject is along the lines of “thank god for the referendum being blocked. we know better than the unwashed in the street and they should do as we tell them”

  63. 63
    annette curton says:

    How did Gordon vote?, ask a silly question.

  64. 64
    Greg Tingey says:

    As opposed to guvmint-funded crooked froiends in defence contracts?

    Can anyone spelL: “Fox” ??

  65. 65

    Thanks for correcting my omission. I have signed up for an Utter Bollocks retraining course which I can study during my period of gender re-alignment.

  66. 66
    Jimmy says:

    My party responded to the views of the 95% of the voters who, at the last election, voted for parties committed to continued EU membership. All but 19 largely elderly fringe members voted in accordance with the manifesto in which they were elected. Those who support the UKIP/Beeyenpee position should stand for one of those parties.

  67. 67
    Smig says:

    Take pity? I’ll take his scalp and wear it as a merkin!

  68. 68
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    apparently he did vote, against a referendum.

  69. 69
    Smig says:

    Fuck off and take that unionista patsy, Smeg Ed with you.

  70. 70
    Smig says:

    I’m surprised you have enough friction at the end of your fingers to enable you to type after all those windowlickers you’ve fingered.

  71. 71
    Ah! Monika says:

    Will that be done inside or outside the box?

  72. 72
    Ah! Monika says:

    We’ll have to keep before and after mortality stats.

  73. 73
    Andy Jailsoon says:


  74. 74
    One for the Pot says:

    If Camoron was a real Tory he would tell Clegg to get lost and get on with putting the country back on its feet. Any blocking or running interference, thwarting such action, from the Libdums would show people just what traitorous scumbags they really are. If all that resulted in another election, which would quite likely see the Libdums annihilated, Cam (or perhaps his successor) would win hands down. All it takes is a bit of gumption from one or two folks in the Party to get the ball rolling.

  75. 75

    Relational interpretation. A cat can observe too. Everyone tends to forget that.

  76. 76
    Guardian Jobs page says:

    good news

  77. 77
    Andy Jailsoon says:

    DAVE. Say the word “Lead” or “Leadership”..in every sentance…YAWN YAWN YAWN. Cambo is a Marketing Man…simple

  78. 78
    albacore says:

    He imposed a three-line whip.
    From now on they could save everybody’s time by having qualifying petitions submitted directly to the party leaders.
    Or posting them up the chimney to Santa.

  79. 79
    Pilgrim making Progress says:

    Hang on while I check with my resident Consultant.

  80. 80
    Andy Jailsoon says:

    6 million people in Unions….keep up the bad work Guido

  81. 81
    Rt. Hon. Jim Hacker says:

    “So, in the long run, Humphrey, it may be more cost-effective to transport these Pilgrims to the Massachusetts Bay Colony, is that it? Ha ha, hm hm, erm…bit of levity there, Humphrey, now let’s get down to cases…”

  82. 82

    Your rôle is confined to providing the taxes to pay for all this.

  83. 83
    nell says:

    well for sure militwit’s party won’t be supporting this.

    A significant sum of that £70million or so paid for pilgrims and hence into union coffers finds itself by a delicate little money laundering operation in the labour party cooperative bank account.

    So out of touch with the general public again militwit eh?

  84. 84
    Vicky Pryce says:

    For God’s sake, get on with it.

  85. 85
    Bluto says:

    You should vote against ‘hyphenates’ on general principle.

  86. 86

    If Nurse Pilgrim does return to front line duties, it would have to be in the Ward of Despond.

  87. 87
    Dobbin says:

    Use of the whips should be banned. They don’t work and just make my arse sore.

  88. 88
    Prince Charles of equal faiths says:

    ” They’re changing Gods at Buckingham Palace…”

  89. 89
    Chris Huhne says:

    Leave me out of loo jokes, if you please…

  90. 90
    AKA Father Christmas says:

    They’re going to wind up at the North Pole any way you do it…

  91. 91
    annette curton says:

    Somebody must have wheeled him in hidden in a laundry basket and then wheeled him out again.

  92. 92
    annette curton says:

    In Slough.

  93. 93
    Behind the scenes says:

    Your missing the point rather, Labour do not want the Government to fall as that might mean they inherrit the complete clusterfuck which they left the Conservatives to clear up whilst they carp from the sidelines.
    No its much better they remain in opposition for now and just be be sure they do they elected Ed as their leader.
    For now.

  94. 94
    Dave Cam the WindFarm Man says:

    Think of something bright and shiny; very much like a bright shiny thing. Have you got the mental picture? Well, it’s nothing like that.

    Did I tel you that I have a nice little earner?

  95. 95
    Smig says:

    Not for much longer Felis Felis. :)

  96. 96
    FFS! says:

    Did I really just see some union leader whilst being interviewed on TV complain that the Government despite preaching austerity and starving public services of cash somehow manage to find the money for billions of pounds of Quantative easing !!! Oh yes I did FFS!

  97. 97
    Logical progression says:

    Could I suggest we abolish constituency MPs and have a Parliament comprised of the Prime Minister and his whips. Would save much time and money and end up with the same result anyway.

  98. 98
    Lard Prescott Treasurer to the pie trade says:

    Dave is getting a kickin. Good. He needs to turn this around and get a grip. Who wants Labour back in power? Dave and Nick need to think ahead.

  99. 99
    FFS! says:

    This may have been the clueless Union official I refer to at post #95

  100. 100

    And so Ignorance Comes to His End

  101. 101
    Anonymous says:

    Maybe Burley can talk about what it was like getting kicked out of university for punching a woman.

  102. 102
    Star says:

    It seems glaringly obvious Mr Burley not only put career before Country but is sucking up even further by bringing forward this “motion”. I bet you my last Euro or 3 that his choice on Monday was severely influenced by promises of support tonight! Oh dear Mr Can’t lie straight in bed Cameron will be trying to tell the Eurozone how to fix its finances so he won’t be there to help Mr Burley out! So much for promises from the PM Aiden? Welcome to our world!

  103. 103
    A Silent Emission of Bowel Gas says:

    Why can’t people understand? You have to let the foreign countries you trade with make your laws. Otherwise, you run the risk of having to make your own. And we simply aren’t clever enough.

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