Tory MPs Should Spank Whips With Own Words
Given the pressure that the Whips are putting on the Tory backbenches is likely to increase, Guido thought he would prepare a handy guide to one-liners to throw back at them. Have a delve into Guido’s “Little Black Book of Whippicisms”…
Last time a government was on the ropes and refusing to grant a free vote, Mark Francois said “The government really don’t deserve to get away with this…”, in 2008 as the Tories’ shadow European minister, he mocked the LibDems for abstaining: “They are going to hide in the toilets because they have not got the guts to vote.” He also accused Labour and the LibDems of not having “equal trust in the British people” in terms of letting them decide. He can add Conservatives to that list now…
Greg Hands, the latest addition to the Whips Office, has made his views on a referendum very clear in the past: ”This is about democracy. The way the Government is trying to wriggle out of their promise to hold a vote is exactly the sort of behaviour that has eroded trust in politics.” Quite…
Chief Whip Patrick McLoughlin has unsurprisingly not publicly commented on the notion of a referendum or perhaps anything, on the record, ever. The same can’t be said of the rest of the gang though: Angela Watkinson MP voted for a referendum last time round, as did her fellow whips John Randall, Jeremy Wright, Brooks Newmark and James Duddridge. No doubt they will be reminded of that fact as they work the phones this weekend…
We have to get em this time, or we will never have a say.
Roll on the British Spring. I’m building a mobile guillotine on a flatbed transit. After the MPs this will be available for hire to deal with councillors.
John Randall, the Deputy Chief Whip’s, election literature is available online at http://randall4uxbridgeandsouthruislip.co.uk/ – where he notes that:
Gordon Brown has bankrupted Britain; run up debts for generations to come; permitted too much immigration; denied us a say on the EU’s Lisbon Treaty and created a surveillance society where civil liberties are disappearing one after another. Only a Conservative government can deliver the change our country desperately needs.
What a sell out. Cameron and all these other Guilty Men deserve to be strung up from lamp posts for daring to deny the British people a say on this pivotal issue. Bastards the lot.
Cameron and Co are starting the fear campaign of what might happen if we leave the EU- bllcks the lot of it. They forget what might happen further if we stay and how much the already inflated costs might soar further. The EU want a share of the UK profits from the city to waste on anti-democratic shite. Regulation already has cost us billions of pounds- £1.8 billion each year- and made us drop from 7th to 12th in world competitiveness as a direct result of EU regulation.
Write to your MPs and do not let Cameron, Clegg and Co create fear to stop the wave of people wanting out of the EU. Cowardly bully boy tactics in Westminster to quell MPs voting as they wish. Estimated at 65-70% of the population according to recent public surveys. How dare the arrogance of politicians ignore the public’s wishes.
Agree completely. CallMeDave committed to these debates for 100,000-signature petitions, and now he’s got one. The hypocrisy in whipping the vote is beyond contempt. He has turned me in only two years from a Tory voter into a UKIP supporter and this finally confirms it.
A head of pressure for change from the grassroots would vastly strengthen his hand in dealing with Brussels – what better way to demonstrate it than de-whip the debate and run a referendum? If we were to stay in the results would really scare the Eurocrats and force concessions from them.
What should our response be to the outcome of Monday’s debate? Put up another, identical petition. It would get 100,000 signatures within hours.
Can it be used against the Global Warming Brigade too?
How about that bastard Hague and his so-called Euroscepticism?
Don’t make me laugh!
The Cons have pulled the “anti-EU at heart, just wait and see” trick way too often now.
We can see them as the liars and NuLab clones they are.
UKIP from now on until we get a fair referendum.
Why not write to your MP online, and tell them how you’d like them to vote on Monday?
http://www.writetothem.com
Don’t leave it to someone else, it only takes five minutes.
Start a no confidence e-petition on the way Cameron is handling EU. Monday’s vote will be lost but no confidence will force labour to side with Conservative rebels. Its the only way to force Cameron to give a vote on EU.
There is a good chance millions of people will sign an e-petition after Monday’s vote.
We could haul their bloodied still breathing bodies around on the back of fishing trawlers ululating “cod is great”.
Watch this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00ttpwf/Bigga_than_Ben/
BBC eduction program?
No thanks.
David Cameron might well achieve the impossible on Monday.
He will have put Al Quaeda out of business. What chance do suicide bombers stand when they’re up against a man who is prepared to trash his entire country!!!!
We just need our referendum in or out. Nothing else and they are going to wriggle to stop us. No referendum, no more Tory vote me thinks!! I have written to my MP accordingly.
I’ll sign it, so will my wife and my pet dog.
PROMISES! PROMISES!
Oh, what a star, Hesketh. Anyone who founds a racing team on a wing and a prayer and James Hunt as driver must be good value.
This is not a democracy
Indeed.
We are not very far short of being at the point at which a shif takes place that makes people think rebelling is legitimate. We are not quite there, but this government does not seem to realise that after 13 years of the Labour Party boiling us all like frogs, the public mood could turn very nasty very sharply if this government doesn’t start treating the public and this democracy with respect.
Everyone should stop paying their council tax for starters.
We have a better democracy.
Cameron is prepared to bomb the shit out of Tripoli, why not Brussels??
You don’t bomb people who can bomb you back – a lesson that Hitler learned the hard way.
You could have kept your Empire and we could have ruled the world together.
Don’t think so mate… none of that was about freedom for the goyez.
No more armed forces left
Sorry
We have shot our last wad…
What deal is camron doing for are banks exposure to the Greek debt WHEN it defaults .
It better be in the national intrest & not in his personal bank account intrest !
Remember the Germans and the French have a large hypnotic trough to push under ones nose.
Dave might start smelling a bit Tony Blair oooh !
He has Mervyn and his Inkjet working on that at the moment – and not it’s not in your interests.
Cameron’s got some fucking nerve! Standing outside No. 10 and talking about bringing democracy to Libya while at the same time destroying the same in his own country.
Slimy, Traitorous Bastard!
I can’t stand to wath Cameron on TV any more.
I actually hate him more than Brown.
Me too, but what I can’t understand is Labour’s reluctance to deliver a coup de grace by supporting the motion. The only conclusion to draw is that the EU fix is in and we’re ruled by duplicitous fucking traitors. No wonder Blair got rid of the death penalty for treason – they’d all be hanging from a noose!
Oh, and judging by his comments today is there a more obseqious turncoat than Bumboy Billy Hague?
For the same reason Cammers will not call the the buff against his internal opposition, even now I don’t think any party would get a large majority, Liebore because the electorate don’t trust them, as far as Cammers is concerned he might not get what he has now people are hurting and they are seeing no benefit, LibDems no that they will be decimated and the ConDems jointly have not yet have not set up the electoral boundaries.
Is it just me or is the air of hostility towards Cameron starting to reach a really dangerous level?
It’s not just you, this is a critical moment for CMD and his party. His bed rock support, the people who still voted Conservative in ’97, are being pushed towards UKIP by his whips. That split could let Labour back in with the help of the Liberals. God, I don’t know whats worse, more Labour or more Liberals. I do know I’ll never vote Conservative again if they vote against democracy on Monday.
+1
Let’s hope he’s seen the execution of an unpopular leader who neglected the wishes of his people
CUNΤS, They are all CUNΤS.
Political PARTIES SHOULD BE MADE ILLEGAL. ALL MPs should stand on their own two feet.
Democracy, UK democracy is a scam.
And why is Liz letting them get away with it? Or is she playing the long game and giving them enough rope to hang themselves?
I think you will find she had her power to prorogue (what an appropriate word!) parliament removed by the last lot of incumbents. But if things continue as at present, she may need to call upon her Generals and Admirals to exercise their authority.
Britain today
What Democracy
Democracy, in Britain is nothing but a lie.
From the dictionary the word should be deleted
Whilst democracy’s the slogan that politicians cry
The majority of us feel that we’ve been cheated
With political correctness forced upon us every day
Just in case the casual word may cause offence
If you have a strong opinion be careful what you say
Even though you may be talking perfect sense
MP’s pull out all the stops to try to fill our shops
With G.M foods that we don’t want to eat
Whilst cameras check our speed on roads where there’s no need
We’d be better off with coppers on the beat
When we joined the E.E.U. I’m sure we took the view
It would give a larger market for our trade
Yet now our mighty nation has a legal obligation
To abide by regulations Brussels made
The referendum was denied, the politicians lied
These decisions were decided by the few
It was no doubt understood; M.Ps thought it would be good
With a total disregarding of our view
If when confronted by a crook you land a good right hook
You may think that he deserved it, it’s his fault
When he is on probation you’ll be locked up down the station
To appear before a jury for assault
When travellers leave a mess, you’d be spot on if you guess
That authorities will turn an eye that’s blind
Yet drop a fag end in the street and before it hits your feet
You will get an instant ticket and be fined
If asylums what you seek and English you can’t speak
Benefits are paid for your welfare
But if you’re British and your old, your property is sold
To pay for any time you are in care
If you chastise your child, because he has run wild
That law will on your collar give a tug
For no matter what you say, do-gooders rule the day
Even though the child may grow into a thug
In the interest of fair play referendums are the way
The majority decide just where we go
We shouldn’t change our laws or take part in futile wars
To massage a political ego
When we are due a big election, parties vie for our affection
Promising the things they have in store
It fair gives us the hump; they should take a running jump
They must realise we’ve heard it all before.
It is hard to understand who governs our fair land
Or who it is that makes up all our rules
Our politicians bore us, or totally ignore us
Democracy in Britain! It’s for fools!
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At least we can now let them know what we feel because of the internet and blogs like this. If it was not for the internet scoundrels like Handycock, Huhne and Fox would still be getting away with it.
Right on.
But it looks like Handycock is still getting away with it. In Portsmouth he is so well protected by ‘local businessmen’, their heavy gangs and bent officers at the City Council that he can carry on just as he chooses. Time now for MI5 to make their move, to release the pictures and to declare him a threat to the nation’s security as well as to the girls in their teens and twenties.
Is there any pictures in it?
You’re David Blunkett and I claim my £5.
Greg Hands can’t even hide behind Cast Iron’s excuse that he only supported a referendum prior to ratification. Here Greg Hands signs up to support a referendum before or AFTER ratification:
http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2006-07/2143
Career before country?
Career before country, I should be so lucky. The pillock that represents me won’t even reply to my emails on the subject. However, he has found time to table the following question to the oversea development minister asking:
‘what plans he has to provide aid to British Overseas
Territories and Dependants in the next 12 months’
You really couldn’t make it up!!
Your vote does not count anyway. You are in a super safe seat. Do you think Greg really gives a fcuk about you? He could devolve Chelsea and Fulham to Brussels tomorrow and the the locals would still turn out to vote for the one with the blue rosette.
OK I’m bitter. ’twas me the hapless UKIP candidate.
Bob, That’s what is known as a ‘planted’ question where some stooge MP is roped in to ask something so anodyne in order to give the relevant Minister the opportunity to announce his latest ‘initiative’ on how to waste our money. Just watch them preen themselves as they go through with the charade.
It’s nice in here so it is
Move along, sir – this isn’t a caravan park, you know.
Labourlist do a nice cup of tea and a bag of oats for your horse (or Margaret Beckett if you have one)…
Don’t bother with those Labour types. In case you didn’t know, it was the aim of the last Labour government to take out Gaddaffi.
They took him out to the pictures a couple of times, and for a nice meal or two.
Arh whips don’t the Tories just love them. Cammers just might take umbridge and to his troops, ” Well if you do not like my leadership and you lot do not like the coalition, well I might as well call a general election.
If Cameron applied the same determination to reducing the deficit as he is to losing the next election the Country’s debt would be wiped out by Christmas.
I agree…..If he couldn’t win a majority against the worst Prime Minister since ever he’s not likely to do any better in 2015 is he ?
His church is far too broad with too many wet liberals in it.
I think the contradictory principles he enunciates are rather damning.
Yes, far too broad – a bit like his backside then.
Cameron, Clegg and Milliband would happily sell their country out to a foreign power for a seat on the gravy train and a gold-plated EU pension.
Traitors one and all.
Vote UKIP.
All MPs voting FOR the referendum should defect to UKIP on Tuesday. Then who would hold the balance of power? I can just see those Etonian sphincters start to tighten.
Real conservatives are really UKIP’ers. The rest of the Tories are just socialists wearing blue rosettes.
Did someone mention Etonian sphincters start to tighten?
They might as well. If they don’t they’re all going to lose their seats by the time of the next election. The people are not going to take another 3+ years of Lord Snooty.
Couldn’t agree more;all 3 ,traitors,liars & turncoats.
The problem for me (a lifelong Conservative voter) is whether, if I switch to UKIP can they be trusted to keep their word?
Well lets see. Tories proven liars, Labour proven liars, Limp Dems proven liars.
Are you really asking an honest question?
You know the ‘Conservative’ party can’t be trusted, so you’ve nothing to lose by voting UKIP. If they turn out to be treacherous, then they’re just like the rest. Voting UKIP means we might, just might, get a decent government. Voting LibLabCon guarnatees we won’t
Too many of you disappearing off to the right will let Labour in as you fully well know, you have no choice you have to vote for me!
Since staying in the EU will result in an ever-decreasing circle in which Parliament can operate, what makes you think we care about letting the totally incompetent socialists run the show rather than the notionally competent socialists that you lead, Dave?
Sorry, but if you continue to deny the people a say, you will be out on your arse at the next election, and it will serve you right.
The logic is that we should all vote for UKIP until we are free of the EUSSR.
After that vital victory, we can then vote for whoever else because the key battle will have been won (and no future party would ever dream of taking us back in).
Game over – sovereignty back where it belongs.
I’ll take us back in.
Who would be the Chancellor of the Exchequer in your ideal UKIP government?
Yep, I thought you hadnt a clue. And yet obtaining growth in the economy is fundamental to any recovery. Sad aintcha?
Chancellors do not grow economies. All we can hope for is one who strangles it less than the next guy. Seeing as we are flatlining at the moment and the government is actively fuelling inflation by debasing the currency, what do ordinary people have to lose?
Blogger called Lola.
Given that UK Independence is the main aim of the UK Independence Party, it seems a pretty safe bet.
Whippicisms? I hope you’ve sent a free copy to that beautiful dominatrice in Pimlico frequented by a number of high ranking personages of our establishment.
Margaret Beckett?
You don’t deserve her….down on your knees and BEG!
Shirley, no one could be that bad?
The only ability that the Tory leadership have it seems is to totally piss off their core vote……this is a total fucking disaster….all they had to do was just leave matters alone and not impose a three line whip…..it was unlikely that the motion would have passed anyway….all they’ve accomplished is draw attention to their internal problems and magnify the problem…but then again the “Cameroons” tend to overmanage things and can’t leave things alone….
The ‘core vote’ ain’t big enough to win a Parish Council, and that’s what Cameron learned during the opposition years.
What he really needs to do is junk the Chief Whip and put in place someone who knows what he’s doing. If you think the Whips are getting tough over Monday’s vote, think again.
No sir!! They should junk the entire whipping system and let MPs vote according to the wishes of their constituents rather than those of some hidden hands in a smoky backroom somewhere either across the Atlantic or in the eastern Med to the south of Beirut.
No. they have drawn attention to the fact that they are liars and traitors.
You still support them, don’t you No. 9?
Exactly I will never vote LibLabCon again. Vote UKIP.
The whole way this has been handled is both undemocratic and unfair.
Or even totalitarian?
“”The whole way this has been handled is both undemocratic and unfair.”"
How come the MPs don’t get a secret ballot on allowing us a referendum on the EU – it must shurley breach their EU Human rights to freedom of expression ????
Your average commoon or garden MPs are just lobby fodder in all parties except for the odd maverick
Democracy
You know, I just love the internet
Any old tosser can come on and talk shit for hours
It’s great!!
Just like the House of Commons.
But thanks to our deceit & manipulation we are very well paid plus tax free expenses plus £25 per day, no receipt required, expenses plus £4K tax free, up front, expenses loan which might have to repayed sometime in the future plus still the best pension scheme in UK plus subsidized food of course BOOZE plenty of it, is such a sacrifice being an MP.sob sob..LOL
Yep, but when the people kick you all out and hang you from lamp posts, you won’t be looking so good.
I mean just think of the pathetic policing of the riots in the Summer. What happens when 1 million pissed off voters hit the streets of London and head for Westminster.
Don’t think it will happen? If Merv keeps printing money it will.
When in power it is not important to have any form of standards or respect, you demand and command it regardless.
Now, everyone has a go at the bankers for not caring, our political class is exactly the same.
They get away with it because the public are not allowed to arm themselves. This is the one great thing about a truly free country, when you allow the public guns the politicians think twice.
With the amount of gun crime in certain areas of London it seems those possessing them are aiming in the wrong direction.
Makes a change from the bastards using unlicensed tasars.
Tasers don’t bother me – my tin foil hat spreads the electric rays out so I am safe from their mind-altering powers.
It’s the fucking big sticks and police horses that worry me…
I’m guessing Aids doesn’t bother you either
My titanium coated butt plug protects me from any NWO gay infections.
Dave shares on thing with Gordon, The abilty to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!
Exactly, a total fckwit. Lost the biggest landslide in our political history, no guts, no balls, no brain and no idea.
Agreed, a total fucking traitors mong of the highest order is our Dave!
But why I hear you ask? Well he’s on the liberal elite pay roll just like Tony Blair and the rest of the traitorous scum, we’re all being played like c’unts.
Just vote for any party at all as long as it’s NOT the three headed LibLabCon.
Hands is a useless mong.
Look, all main parties want to be part of EU, why? Because it means less work for Mps and more Jollies and fact finding missions.
Don’t mention the Bilderbankers.
They’re all getting pay-offs from the EU into their private bank accounts – or party donations.
There won’t be a 3-line whip IMO
And what of the tooth fairy?
Alan Carr? Oh no, he’s toothY
zaaaPinng…. cross my palm with silver and your wish will come true
Hypocrisy, you can’t beat it.
can i bum a fag?
Last time I shop in Randall’s of Uxbridge.
Europe is going into meltdown and good riddance to it.
No, not Europe, the EU. Happily, Europe still ap*ears to be fixed quite firmly to its tectonic plate.
Disorder, disorder
Stop spanking me
In the old days, I would have had you defrocked, excommunicated, banished from White’s Club and from the dinner party of every Duchess in the land
Nowadays, I have to listen as calmy as possible to you and use the great power of CCHQ and David Fray Bentos to bring all their force down on you…
Bring in the spinners I say
What would you say Billy?
You know all about spinners
Dear David
I am unemployed in Chipping Norton nowadays
If anyone can spin, I can
Love
Rebekah
The Spinners was a very popular folk singing group (from Liverpool?) about 30 years ago.
I am invited to every dinner party of the Duchesses (when I am in Britain)
So much for your ukases
Are you non dom yet Archbishop?
Pardon my iggerance, but what’s a ukase?
Guido/mini Guido, if you’re referring to the Lisbon treaty then this post is deliberately misleading. The two situations aren’t directly comparable, Labour and the Lib Dems promised to vote for a referendum on the treaty and then broke their promises. The Conservative Party did not pledge an in/out referendum and so are under no obligation to vote for one. If someone did vote for a referendum on the Lisbon treaty then again that would create no obligation to vote for a referendum on EU membership. They’re seperate issues. I don’t think the Tory party leadership have covered themselves in glory on this one, but neither have you.
This is about e-petitions, was a 3 line whip forced on the HIllsbrough debate?
You’ve missed the point entirely, which given your other posts is not much of a surprise. The article seems to be saying that it was hypocritical of the Tory leadership to vote for a referendum on Lisbon but against one on membership, they are cynically trying to conflate the two issues, a practice also known as spin. It has nothing to do with e Petitions.
The debate is over whether the voters/taxpayers should have a say with 2 options (in/out and one other).
Lats weeks e-petition was for the release of Hillsbrough papers. which is what they got.
Here we have all 3 main parties trying to enforce a 3 line whip against the will of the people (petitioners).
Tories goal is to get powers back from Brussels, well here they have the perfect answer and are whipping to vote against it.
Again, you’ve completely missed the point of what I said, I’m not saying that they are right to whip against a referendum, I am saying that the article is deliberately misleading spin, something Guido protests he doesn’t like.
Guido’s post focused on maily on Greg Hands. Greg Hands can’t even hide behind Cast Iron’s excuse that he only supported a referendum prior to ratification. Here Greg Hands signs up to support a referendum before or AFTER ratification:
http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2006-07/2143
So very comparable
Again I disagree, that is a petition for a referendum on Lisbon, not membership of the EU. Also Guido mentions a number of other MP’s implying that they are all being hypocritical, this article was pure spin.
Oh stop splitting hairs. A post Lisbon referendum would be almost on a par with an in or out and be at least comparable with option ‘c’.
This is a back bench principled debate. You are practicing the dark art of double speak that the great spinmeisters do so well.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
What’s wrong with an in/out referendum anyway? Might get the “wrong” answer?
Piss off back to Tory HQ.
Piss off.
As you indicate in one of your true but devastating references, Gwido,
I have adopted a non dom overlord to make sure we have lots of cash
You know that he was involved in the last scandal about Hampsteads buying titles do you?
I hope they do not abolish the House of Lords before we can sell a few more
The usual suspects
We will get onto it
And ten years later, you will say
There is not enough evidence etc
Bunch of bent tubes
The Greeks are very happy being shackled to EU?
I love your moniker
I always loved Che
Especially when he massacred Bolivian peasants in the name of human rights sorry, communism…
The Greeks cooked their books to get into the Euro zone
They then milked the tits off Europe (5% of their GDP per annum)
And continue to do so
And when told so
They demonstrate
RO fucking FL
Lovely people
Egyptian slavery built the pyramids.
British slavery built the Chav.
Germany Slavery built modern Greece.
Careful! You’ll have Billy slavering all over you next….
The pyramids were not built using slaves. Conscripts maybe, but not slaves.
Hiya , Guido xx .
Out here , evryone nose that democracy is jus some airy-fairy , wishy-washy imaginary concept pedalled by the few to stop the many from havin a huge knees-up an killin them , petal .
Good luck , everyone . U is gonna need it .
E x .
How’s the cider doing this year, E?
LOL !
Dry as fuck , again .
6-7% , we thinks .
Thanks for bovverin
E x .
Ewanme talking to itself again. That cider must be strong fucking shit.
All 3 of us talk to ourselfs on here. If you doesn’t like that, fuck off an get a full refund at the turnstlie.
What if I do like it?
Been plucking olives today. Extra virgin. Don’t ferment but the oil does wonders for all sorts of things.
I oughta busk you right in the mush.
You gives off a whiff of intelligence.
Is it Blue Stratos?
No. During the mating season I give off a pheromone, in the form of an oily substance, from my skin and this app.ears to attract females.
of which species?
Off topic but what are the odds that we get an announcement about Huhne late Monday afternoon when the headlines for Tuesday’s papers will be full of the vote etc.
Either that or another News of the World Hacking scandal.
Or a well publicised, but eventually fruitless, raid on some house in Bra’ford wherein dwell brethren of a darker hue?
.Should we issue Plod with shade cards to make sure they arrest the PC proprtion of offenders?
Yesterday was a good one to bury some bad news.
good one.
The Coalition will get a kicking from the voters.
“I have Che Guevara tattooed on my arSe”
Complete with cigar, I see.
Ha, ha! now THAT’S funny, Sir W!
Handycock used to like a bit of spanking – but he is unlikely to be there for the vote. He tells us he is ‘unwell at the moment, but as soon as I am better I will be back representing the people who elected me to do so. I will continue to do my job, and my duty to my city. My personal life has never interfered with my position, and it never will.’ If he is sufficiently unwell under the strain of the stories in the press and from ‘her indoors’ maybe this is the right moment to announce his retirement from politics. Plenty of winter sunshine to be enjoyed at his villa in Spain.
There are many constituents depending on me in Portsmouth South especially in these straightened economic times, dear Katya, and I am an unwell victim at present as my wife hit me over the head with a frying pan. I have to get back as soon as possible as my drug dealing buddies need urgent planning permissions and licensing for their new lap dancing clubs.
Sorry about your head Dad, but the boys need your attention. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and get those planning permissions and licenses fixed, otherwise I might lose my lucrative job.
Ah now then! Oi wants a piece of that, so I does!
Is it true that there are plans to rename Fratton Park as Frottage Park in your honour?
Craven Frottage sounds good!
Remeber MP’s us trash are watching what your up to and if you say NO on Monday then we will say no when we soon get chance to vote.
Tuesday morning.
Start ANOTHER petition and keep going. The number of signatures will grow and grow. Smite them with their own sword.
Yes absolutely!
When can I sign ?
Well said. The question really is : Is this a democracy or not?
Not!.
Well if you listen to militwit, cleggie and cameron today, the first two of whom have already imposed a 3 line whip demanding that their mp’s should vote against the referendum and cameron who is dithering about on the sidelines considering doing the same thing, you’d have a hard time proving we live in a democracy wouldn’t you?
Might as well have a vote on whether they’ll be another election.
3 line whip against.
Politics is the art of letting someone else have your own way.
I really like that.
See? Told you…
You need to tell cameron!
When somebody becomes a whip, they shave their head and strap them into a chair. Then a shiny metal dome with sinister-looking wires and flashing lights slowly descends and sucks all the individual thoughts out of their brains……
You’re making me so fucking horny you naughty boy.
Consider a sea anemone, they cast around looking for a good anchorage with safety, comfort and a good food source. When it finds the right spot it attaches itself to the rock. Having no further use for its brain, it eats it.
Rather like becoming a whip.
Never knew that about anemones, Cat – bloody efficient use of resources, is that!
Too teleological for me…
Nah – if an organism (and I think anemones are polyps, so more like a community than a being) has no use for part of itself, there’s probably a small reproductive gain in recycling the useless bits.
Now, which law firm shall we start with?
Metaphysics is the finding of bad reasons for what we believe upon instinct; but to find these reasons is no less an instinct. – Francis Herbert Bradley
How to sort out all the law firms? Rep.eal the Yuman Rights Act. Same with Elfin Safety and 10,000 other examples of bad legislation made over the last two decades. Sell off or close down the BBC. Make the loser of a civil suit responsible for all expenses of the one who wins, thus axing “no win no fee”. I have no objection to the setting up of soup kitchens in Lincoln’s Inn Fields for the mob next door, also Gray’s Inn, Inner and Middle Temple (who would have to walk.) They would surely be required.
Sir William, For your information, that happens when a male member of the species becomes what is known as “a husband” – and don’t you forget it.
I am determined to play a full part in both the debate and the vote and I will be travelling down to…er…Winchester….where was it again?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/19/gordon-brown-economy_n_1020535.html
gordon’s too busy talking to them huff post folks about his loony theory that you can spend your way out of debt.
Anybody know who reads that rubbish?
Yeah, Arianna Unpronounceable!
1) Women like stuff.
2) They know light years in advance what sort of stuff they like.
3) If you get them the ‘wrong’ sort stuff, you’re fucked, even though it’s perfectly good stuff.
4) If you get them the right sort of stuff, you’re wallet is bound to get seriously fucked over.
That’s all I have to say on the matter.
No no no no no. Women like being bought stuff. It is the thought that counts. It’s the process that matters. Of course they prefer to be bought stuff they want, but as they do not know what they want they will settle for something expensive.
“Of course they prefer to be bought stuff they want, but as they do not know what they want…”
Are you a woman by any chance?
Of course their wants can, and do, change retroactively. So today you can be loved for doing entirely what was wanted and tomorrow hated for exactly the same thing.
Sort of makes you wish that you were born a homo doesnt it?
You dont even need to ask permission before sticking it up the gary Glitter
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Er no. I’ve become inured to it. Many times.
“Sort of makes you wish that you were born a homo doesn’t it”?
He probably was. Plucking olives? That’s sounds like homo slang to me.
Too much listening to politicos that you cannot take something at face value…
You are obviously gay
They say things (after a while0 such as
“you are just trying to buy my love”
That or ” you have become mean lately”
Fuck em and fling em then let it become somebody elses pain in the arse
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To a manc I probably am gay, I can read and write, ad I’ve got all my own teeth.
I want money, that’s what I want.
Flowers and a bottle of decent wine will work quite nicely. Most of us don’t require extravagant gestures.
Lambrusco rosé and a bunch of thistles and turnip tops from the local garage. That’s you sorted nell.
I can see why you are having problems anon. lambrusco? Yuk!!
I’d expect a JP Chenet red and a least a dozen carnations!!
You dont understand Norfolk
Their ideal shopping place for flora is either a lamp post or the local crem
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persackerly…
I am happy to settle for a House of Commons Teddy Bear.
As the song says” Can’t buy me love”…
What is the matter with our politicians?
Mention the EU and the possibility of an in/out vote or changing our terms of membership and they collectively go into hysterics.
militwit and cleggie have already said they are imposing 3 line whips on the mp’s to force them to vote against it. Very democratic.
cameron who usually is quite deft at handling these things and should have been basking in a bit of glory over the end of the libyan adventure has gone into an utter panic at the mention of an eu vote and doesn’t seem to know what to do.
Frankly he’s been a complete twit over this issue. He should have been seen as the only party leader allowing his mp’s a free vote and supporting democracy .
The chances are, this time around, if he had done/or if he does allow the tory mp’s a free vote, the motion will still be lost so that he can then claim that it is the undemocratic actions of the other 2 parties that have denied the people a choice.
If by some fluke the motion is passed , then it is a backbench motion which he is not honour bound to implement. So what is his problem?
See 57.
Nell,
I replied to one of your posts yesterday and made a bit of a rant about this referendum. This is the email I sent my MP:-
As my constituency MP I wish to inform you that I am very much in favour of the IN/OUT EU referendum. The arguments thus far are not conducive to the feelings of people I know who vote Conservative. My personal feeling is that if the country votes for leaving the EU, the EU will bend over backwards to keep us in the fold. This is because they need us more than we need them after all. This opens up the opportunity to recover our sovereignty and stop the interference from an unelected elite.
The argument that most is that our trade with the EU is important is a non-starter, their trade with us is equally important. Should the truth be known, we buy more from them than they do from us, therefor this is balderdash.
We as a Nation should be looking at the new markets opening up in the east and not forgetting the Commonwealth Countries. To be honest I never voted for the European Union, I voted for the free trade agreement of the European Common Market.
I am sorry but should you vote against this referendum I will resign the party and vote for UKIP. This may sound extreme but I Love my Country.
Apart from the fact I resigned my membership yesterday.
Well said.
I emailed my mp too – more along the lines of it being inappropriate for cameron to be taking it upon his shoulders to say we don’t have the right to have a say – and that I hope our mp will be voting in accordance with the majority view of his electorate which around here in this rural area is very anti EU.
So I hope he’s had a few emails along similar lines and will think carefully about his wish to be re-elected next time around.
The more of us who email our mp’s, regardless of whether they are tory,labour or libdum this weekend the better . Democracy and our right to a say is more important than all of them. We haven’t been permitted a say on the EU for 30 years. I think it’s time now!!
Modded???
Nell. “Cameron………………..DEFT at handling these things”? He’s the WORST tactician/people handler/situation reader the Tories have had for many a yonk!
I like Camoron taking taking on the people of this country, how long did the training take for him to become a kamikaze pilot.
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Just got offered 80p for my Jay and Silent Bob Strikes Back DVD. I’m a made man!
Put it this way, You are 80 pence up on the day
Have a rummage about
That will get you chips and gravy (if you haggle) or a can of strong cider
maybe half an E if your dealer likes you
Chips AND gravy? I see we’re talking about the posh end of Manchester.
Yes its called Cheshire,
A Northern Surrey to you , its like Yorkshire only with more money and extra vulgarity you southern nonce
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Can’t we enlist the help of the Libyans to sort out Cameron and Clegg ?
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Can’t wait to see the necro porn they make of gay libyans shagging Gaddaffi’s dead body.
OK. How reliable is this turnintocash site you keep trying to promote?
YoungNell has loads of wii cd thingies she doesn’t use – can she sell them back on it for pocket money? – because if she can it might just relieve my purse a bit!!
EU is nothing but a big con. Wavey Davey wants the UK to be part of a tri-partheid system which gives the elitist Germans, French and UK complete control over the markets. Wake up Dave it is not going to happen. Everyone is waking up to the Euro scam designed to reduce a nation’s sovereignty, individual freedoms, and turn people into nothing more than economics pawns where taxes are gambled away by the european casino bankers and the money grubbing elite.
Indeed..
+1 – money grubbing elite = kinnochios
Karl Marx would be proud of them
Especially given the number of multi millionaires in their midst
ralph and his sons are simply emulating karl marx whilst trying to accumulate a bit of wealth for themselves by troughing off government. You know how it goes!
Not really, is it in C sharp?.
A
Every good boy deserves favour?, (E G B D F).
cameron’s not going to score there then is he?
Not until he can come up with a good riff, too much Milly Vanilli reprise.
Rats and mice overrun BBC Newsroom!
Well I for one thought that was where they lived – but leaving that aside – surely there are enough BBC FAT CATS to sort out the problem?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/8842146/Mice-overrun-BBC-newsroom.html
It’s all due to climate change – we can afford to heat our offices while the plebs freeze, so the vermin have to move back home with us.
There is something obscene in the land of Britain
The hypocrisy of these people is stranger than fiction…
AS IN THE tAL MUD?
The United Nations refugee agency UNHCR said the total was likely to more than double this year and would be at the highest level for eight years.
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/3626/captureaey.jpg
Amusing ther censorship going on here
No more reference to Arabs and J e w s
Is that it ?!
You are a bunch of second rate hypocritcal wankers
We are Freud Communications
We repesent all sides, farly, for a large fee
ROFL
Especially the friends of your father in law Rupert, I suppose
And you friends in the Chipping Norton set ?
ROLF
CAMERON UNMASKED
lol
A boozy night in White’s Club
I see
We will deliver a free hamper of our pies to King Guido for this free advertising
He can then distribute them to all the worthies
Like King Prezza who is an accredited abuser of our stuff
And Busker Watson (in his need)…
OMG
David Cameron is sending us viral
Thank you Prime Ministerial Unholiness
We will can you forever…
Not so fact
Have you noticed who Emtu Ed Milli Mossad has appointed as his fund raiser in chief ?
Another Mini-Mossad like himself, but who is nom dom
They really have no shame these people
So the real question now is
Do you want to be governed and racketeered by Brussels or by Ed’s predatory Hampstead doms and non doms ?
You haven’t got much choice….
Shush don’t you know the protocols of zzzzzzzzzz……iiiiiiii……oooooo…..nnnnnnn are ‘fake’ of course…………
Nothing to see here, move along…….
Well let’s just say we don’t want militwit (shudder – the thought of this geeky schoolboy in no 10!!) and we don’t want brussels…..
Doubtless you’d have a solution for ‘these people’. Whereupon your people and progressive leftists would hold hands a circle-dance: DMs stomping and keffiyehs a-flutter (this arts event sponsored by The Guardian).
Eton mess
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That’s not a pie, it’s a tin of stuff with a pastry lid. If they sold tents you’d get a dustbin and an umbrella.
No, it REALLY is a pie. The “pastry” is very fatty to stop it dissolving, which does make it crispy when cooked.
It beat my estimations*…
I was thinking 1/10 it scored about 3.
Why does that disgusting pie thing remind me of prezza and twatson?
We invented the revolving door Guido
And you can see the results
We are filthy rich
And the taxpayers are stuffed
We are giddy with admiration.
CHRISTMAS IN KIRCALDY THANKS TO SAVAGE GOVT (PRIME) CUTS
lol put the bentos opera one up next
Why do they always bring us Pies?.
Ohhhh! there ain’t no bones in snott, there ain’t no bones in snott , there maybe bones in a cold meat pie ,But there ain’t no bones in snott( I thank you)
So every time a po faced Liberal politician went on question time in the last two decades demanding an in/out referendum over Europe was just pure BULL SHIT?
It would be nice to see some facts of in versus out.
What are the bottom line figures of in or out.
Would we lose trade if we were out.
I don’t know the facts, I also suspect not many people do.
That’s OK. Don’t worry your little head about it.
Cameron, cleggie and militwit are going to tell their MP’s to stop us having a say .
So we shan’t have to worry about whether it is good for us , or costing us money or not . They’ll take the decision and save us plebs the bother.
Not the answer I expected from you.
For crying out loud – irony? tongue in cheek? sarcasm against the ruling elite?
Calm down dear, it was only sarcasm.
That’s OK Duckie.
What loony tunes character was deaf?
Gaddaffi… DUCK!!!!
Radio 4 did a fantastic prog mid week. It seems that Europe is a declining market and the developing worlds is where we should be aiming our trade at.
Funny that as all those years ago Ted Heath was told the same and to abandon our global Commonwealth trading links for isolated European links was folly. Unfortunately I believed Ted that we were only entering into a common market so I voted yes.
I agree no: 200. There’s got to be a really good reason why we should stay in the E.U. but I’m b@ggered if I know why.
As you said, no-one’s explaining anything to us.
I think the first instincts of most British people is to avoid any dealings with Johnny Foreigner, so WHY do the powers that be want to keep us in the EU and make themselves unpopular with the electorate? It just doesn’t make any sense to me.
Any questions tonight was quite telling. All the panel was totally out of touch with public opinion over Europe.
We the public are just little people and are not capable of seeing the bigger picture.
Was that the bernardjenkins, sarahteather version from that upmarket torquay boys school?
Out of touch with our feelings on the EU? – this lot were out of touch full stop.
gordon had more empathy with the electorate than them!!
BBC pick the “panel”
BBC are totally out of touch with public opinion (because of the unique way they extort).
Libya
What a wonderful opportunity for that country. Imagine the good their oil wealth could do. Health care, Education, Housing, Infrastructure.
Let’s hope the future Libya sets an example to the rest of the world.
It’s not done much good for this country the government providing those services….
Maybe Libyans should just get an EQUAL oil-dividend and buy the services they need like any rational person would.
Those condemning the shooting of the Qaddafi prisoner, why are they not condemning the shooting of the Bin Laden prisoner?
Did these same people condem Gaddafi’s torture and murder over the last 40 years?
It’s amazing who comes out of the woodwork when something like this kicks off. Justifying their own existence springs to mind.
let’s think now – condemning voices against gaddafi?
bliar? mandy? gordon? berlusconni? sarkozy?- who else was keen to be photographed shaking the bloodied hand of this tyrant?
Don’t you feel sorry for wavy Davy?
He had it all, potatoes and gravy
He sat there and let it drop in his lap
No effort, no sweat, but Brown being crap
There’s no way that he could have lost this vote
(Name me one MP that isn’t a scrote)
Even if he did, the result’s not binding
And there’s such a long, long trail a-winding
From government spiel to ought getting done
He could just have carried on having fun
What did he learn in those halls at Eton
To play daft games and always get beaten?
I have a lot of respect for Dave , considering what labour have done and coalition politics , however he wishes to be his own man with his own mind ,on what he is about .
I am sure many people can forgive some errors in such dire circumstances , the ruthless complexities of the vested business and political interests are not a good diet to dine upon , but if any forget , that westminster has not cured it self of the labour deciets towards the public , he will not be needed change .
It is hard to understand why Gay marriage arrived (hardly popular or ecnomically important) and yet some costly projects seem not to have been properly fisked by him , and few too many polices have come out , poorly presented , most of the done by his right hand man Mr osbourne .
but as you say some are not too sure if we are getting what is needed let alone was or was not on the manfesto . I am assuming things will change when the eurozone chrisis is resolved better , but that is the problem I have been assuming for some time and not had much guarentee . I dont much care If his cabinet considers people who oppose millenia of the idea of marriage between man and woman , are now deemed unwanted archaic bigots , i do care very much that it is contrary to the emphasis he had on marriage before the GE , and as with his stance on a free vote , i did not back somthing he did not say he would stand himself upon .
An incase Eds ticket people are reading this , I still will be more than pleased to ensure we dont get another round of Labour , even if i no longer agree with conservative direction .
Well said ‘not a machine’. People have forgotten the slavery under Leiber.
I too am puzzled by this gay marriage millarky, especially as Cameron keeps banging on about family values. I find the whole concept of h.o.m.o.s.e.x.u.a.l.i.t.y. nauseating and unnatural, and surely to goodness this Country has much more important matters to contend with.
Er, there’s nowt as q u e e r as folk. En passant, are any other species so inclined or is it just human beans?
For those who missed it, this is Chuka on Brillo’s show lying about leaving his phone on. The fact he’ll lie about such an insignificant thing sums up Labour.
Denial is the labour way.
Lying is labour’s first reaction to any question.
why couldnt he just have laughed and said oh fuck sorry, oops…
Was that not in the training manual at politician camp?
To lie is Chuka’s gut reaction.
Be careful Luciana, be very careful as Chuka’s greasy pole has warts.
I can not imagine any father wanting his daughter to marry Chuka. He just so loves himself.
On the whole one has to give spin doctors a bit of respect.
But who’s bright idea was it to compare Ed takes on Big Biz, to Alien Vs Predator?
Huhne was wrong to have not considered carbon capture more carefully , come to think of it so should have the treasury and ex ministers, I mean why didnt it occure that , putting gas back into the ground would require the use of energy , thereby making the energy use maths innefficent . It was a labour project , so clearly there was a triumph of lobbiest over maths when it was set up .
However I have some other bones to pick , pretty much everyone excepts that recycling of refuse is the way to go , so prioroitising that would be good ,esp in those areas still keen on landill . I havent quite settled on what collection method is best , but clearly large towns and cities would be better having sorting depots , and an on site disposal system , and a method of incineration that is clean and technologically advanced . I have studied some of the incinerators , they are often not locally popular despite the location being more efficent , they typically have design constraints requireing a sort of hearth and the material is fed in , the mass burn is then one of varying temperature on different materials and some not to good emissions which require expensive scrubbing . Dealing with some materials and reuse before burning is one way , but I am surprised that we havent yet seen a different approach in what will become the norm in the future , why has no money been invested in High temperature burning ? and establishing what size such power stations would be ? I understand (although still inefficent) that boiler systems are better than gas turbines , so why are we not looking at
1) the efficency of power stations
2) building high temp incinerators for refuse .(Iam not sure how size and efficency would work ie minmum size of generator station but less road movements is better )
the waste from biomass incineration has other uses , so there will be perhaps clean ash and dirty ash power stations . there then comes the problem of what do with dirty incineration ash , there may be some metals that can be removed , but even then it must be disposed of securly , which may be simialr to what nuclear industry has to do , and so will need costing in as toxic is different to radioactive .
What perhaps I am trying to get at , is that we will have to burn waste and refuse that we dont recycle , it is better to ensure products consider a need to cleanly burn , but that is complex , but why not invest some proper research and test plant , for high temp incineration , co funded by business and get these into service ASAP . there are a number of syngas plants floating around waiting for planning , in my view these are 70s technology and perhaps not as efficent as the brouchers say and still adopt this mass burn approach and lots of scrubbers .
I hate to say it but Huhne is not that informative on which is the best tech to select and given 18mths have now elapsed his selections and motivations towards certain techs strike me as odd and obtuse , i would think becomming a world leader in hightemp clean burn approach would be a wise Uk investment as othe countries will be in the same boat .
I know we have a rubbish conference in the EU at the moment
, but some considerations for the UK now may reap returns when we get over the debt problems and a new global exports , besides we seem to have a lot graduates unemployed , but it would be better if it bore fruit quicker than CCP
A very long post Mr Machine. But it has always made perfect sense to me that to incinerate waste and generate electricity from it is a no brainer. Why dump a fuel resource into landfill?
I just worries me when I see these technologies , and realise we need to make a leap in the thinking . Honestly you would be amazed at when you ask how sound they are what they tell you , its as though they have come straight out of the lobby dinner to the public .
Lord what planet does she live on that she has only just noticed!!
What it would be like to live in that luxury westminster bubble . I guess gaddafi once experienced something similar!!
Sally. What did your husband first see in you? And can he still see it?
I think I’d have to say:
‘ sally – what did your husband do to deserve you?’
and vice versa.
Some of us don’t feel the urge to express our ‘views’, Billy. Some of us know where we are headed without feeling the need to have a mass debate. Some of us have known the truth since long before you were born. Some of us are unfazed by the fact that the Western world is about to fuck itself up the arse. Some of us are protected. Some of us are surprised that it has taken so long to reach this momentous point in time. Some of us view your inane twitterings and laugh as we remind ourselves that you have your nose buried deep within the Westminster arse-bubble (a distraction that is of zero consequence to us) and that your IQ is probably equal to, or less than, the politicians you claim to be holding to account. Some of us come here to marvel at the sheer desperation of an insecure, narrow-minded bird-brain as he tries to, single-handedly, remould the politcal scene into something he recognises from his days fapping off in the SCR to a life-sized poster of Thatcher. Some of are not surprised that he went on to gain a worthless PPE degree at Keele, probably, and decided to ……………………………..
Given an edit function, I’d probably tweak a few bits.
Oh, God. Don’t tell me you use Twitter? Please, no.
It’s only for morons like Ueber-tosser/traitor Cameron, and Daily Mailygraph journalists, surely?
You’ll be alerting us to new Google Doodles, next.
Being a cynic I suspect, tonight, that there is a rearguard action going on to ‘rescue saif’ and get him to the ICC.
Of course bliar, mandy and the nate club wouldn’t want it known that they are the guiding force and unlimited funds behind it.
The ICC have found that Saif has a suspect bowling action and are investing and in the mean time have supsended him from bowling.
‘Rearguard action going on’. I’m your man !!
Safe to say nowhere’s safe for Saif.
Sam and I are cutting back on our carbon foot print
We flew this in from Uruaguay on Sir Richards moon balloon
I found £50k down the back of the sofa , its a weekend treat for er indoors
We endorse this pie as carbon neutral
Care for a poly bag?
£100 fucking quid please!
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A pie, a pie ! My Peerdom for a pie !!
“i found £50 under the back of the soafa”
where are you living , under the parkingmeter at tescos , i always drop my change when trying to find ticket , you lucky sod.
Could just be a massive sofa i presume
K!!!!!
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A good Disney Film and with the Sainsbury special offer at the moment
Ten days of free pies for you an your impoverished British familee
Did someone mention pies???
I’d like to make a toast to my old friend Gaddafi. He made me even richer than I already was.
Bliar, you might regret mentioning ‘toast’. Lots of people like the smell of toast in the morning.
Apocalypse soon…
This for BF, Love you xxxxx
Brit national anthem after 5 years of Fray Bentosaninebob note Dave
I got 2 mins in and nearly fell asleep, what the point youwanna make?
Like the crust of a hollow pie its way above your thinking organ booth boy
The ‘B’ in Plan ‘B’ stand for Bollox.
What a total and utter c’unt this Balls fellow is.
Ed Boring Balls.
The man is a fool
Fuck off tat.
I prefer bullets but just humilliate the ficking wankers with a shit pie and a
good bitch slap with your flip flops
Boris gets his thang on wit Davy an his Baby gravy
Vote wit Dave its chrissmuss
Shambone
All three party leaders say we should not have a referendum.
Seems like the best endorsement of having one that we could possibly get.
Remember thta something has to be denied 3 times before we know it is true:
Con-merchants: you do not need a referendum
Lab-orious: : you do not need a referendum
Limpdumbs: : you do not need a referendum
ergo:
We badly need a referendum
QED etc etc
Аll thrее pаrty lеаdеrs sаy wе shоυld nоt hаvе а rеfеrеndυm.
Sееms lіkе thе bеst еndоrsеmеnt оf hаvіng оnе thаt wе cоυld pоssіbly gеt.
“Dave” warns….”We have 5 days to save the World Economy or should THAT read Conservative Party!” Meanwhile the flood of his MPs signing the motion for EU referendum is becoming a deluge as whips go into panic mode promising anything(bar a referendum) after threats fail to deter backbenchers as up to 6 Junior Minsters threaten to resign(mm seeing is believing of course)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2052060/Five-days-save-world-economy-catastrophe-Britains-warning-Europe-leaders-battle-save-Euro.html
How about him saving us from him and his stupidity, two nutters in a row as PMs how much more can the people of this country take, I thought this loon was for localism, seems it’s just for us as he swans around the world on the back of the taxpayer..
isn’t it about this time of year when an MP decides to give up champagne for a week to understand what it’s like to be poor?
The Tories better remember what happened to them after signing Maastricht….
I have emailed my local MP to point out what the “Democrat” bit means – assuming the silly bitch can actually read something rather than just fill out expense forms.
I shall delight in expressing joy/anger following her vote on Monday
I also took great delight in emailing Greg hands’ own words back to him.
Only he can deciide whether I call him out for a fraud on Monday.
How about throwing Cameron’s words back at them?
(On Gordon Brown) “First he was against the Constitution, then he was for it; one day he promised a referendum, the next he backtracked. While he has chopped and changed, our position has remained exactly the same. We are the only major party to have consistently said that it is up to the British people to decide on our future in Europe.”
http://www.conservatives.com/News/News_stories/2009/04/Join_our_campaign_for_an_EU_referendum.aspx
Slimy salesman.
Aaasssholes!
The vote on whether to have a referendum could mark the day the tories lost the next election.
FCO 30/1048: Heath knew it was treason
This classified government document dated April 1971 remained secret until it was released under the 30 year rule. It proves Heath’s government knew the 1972 EEC Treaty would lead to the loss of sovereignty, and was therefore treason. They had a stunningly accurate picture of the EU, which never was the EEC (an Economic Community), expecting Britain to be abolished after the turn of the century.
The authors, all civil servants or ministers, are very pro EU, their intent is clearly to conceal the loss of sovereignty. But they understood perfectly it would all be abolished.
In public Heath’s government all lied the treaty would not affect our sovereignty. This includes Douglas Hurd, still an active senior Conservative, who is also both a liar and a traitor, a point we put to him at the Conservative Conference in Blackpool. He assured us his connections in the legal profession would ensure he was never convicted.
Here are just a few of the damning sentences:
Parliament controlled
11. Membership of the Communities will involve us in extensive limitations upon our freedom of action.
For the first time. Parliament is binding its successors.
Increasing loss of sovereignty
The loss of external sovereignty will however increase as the Community develops, according to the intention of the preamble to the Treaty of Rome “to establish the foundations of an even closer union among the European peoples “.
Small threats to sovereignty, like Burgess, Blunt and Maclean’s selling secrets to the Russians, attract 30 year jail sentences. The penalty for actually loosing even small parts of it until 1998 was “to hang by the neck until dead.”
King Charles 1st was executed for treason that was, by comparison, relatively minor.
Lord Haw Haw (�Germany Calling� – William Joyce) was hanged for treason on 3rd January 1946. His efforts on behalf of Germany were tiny by comparison with Edward Heath�s.
Our law subservient
12. (ii) The power of the European Court to consider the extent to which a UK statute is compatible with Community Law will indirectly involve an innovation for us, as the European Court’s decisions will be binding on our courts which might then have to rule on the validity or applicability of the United Kingdom statute.
The writ of a foreign power is not allowed under the British Constitution, which Heath was breaking.
Predicting monetary and military union
18..but it will be in the British interest after accession to encourage the development of the Community toward an effectively harmonised economic, fiscal and monetary system and a fairly closely coordinated and consistent foreign and defence policy. If it came to do so then essential aspects of sovereignty both internal and external would indeed increasingly be transferred to the Community itself.
No withdrawal, sovereignty diminished
22. Even with the most dramatic development of the Community the major member states can hardly lose the “last resort” ability to withdraw in much less than three decades. The Community’s development could produce before then a period in which the political practicability of withdrawal was doubtful. If the point should ever be reached at which inability to renounce the Treaty (and with it the degeneration of the national institutions which could opt for such a policy) was clear, then sovereignty, external, parliamentary and practical would indeed be diminished.
Disinformation
After entry there would be a major responsibility on HMG and on all political parties not to exacerbate public concern by attributing unpopular measures or unfavourable economic developments to the remote and unmanageable workings of the Community.
Transfer of the Executive
24 (ii) The transfer of major executive responsibilities to the bureaucratic Commission in Brussels will exacerbate popular feeling of alienation from government.
Erosion of sovereignty
24 (v) …The more the Community is developed … the more Parliamentary sovereignty will be eroded. …The right … to withdraw will remain for a very considerable time. …The sovereignty of the State will surely remain unchallenged for this century at least.
The EU Bureaucracy will rule
25. The impact of entry upon sovereignty is closely related to the blurring of distinctions between domestic political and foreign affairs, to the greater political responsibility of the bureaucracy of the Community and the lack of effective democratic control.
The writers understanding of the future of the EU was bang on. They wanted the bureaucracy to take over from the democracy. The loss of sovereignty was desirable for them, legally traitors working deep inside our government.
With thanks to David Barnby. Who got the original documents. David Noakes. 07974 437 097
PM praises the Libyan people for taking their own destiny in hand. Yet tells his own people they are too stupid to decide.
Guido
most of our honourable members have made public statements on the EU referendum and/or EU membership so how about a thread inviting your audience to submit relevant quotes fom their own MPs. Should be quite revealing when linked to how they vote today.
Might also be interesting to note those who vote against a referendum and also happened to be expense cheats. No doubt their constituents would find that informative.