Dave Joins “Britain in Europe”
No.10′s very own little Euro-crisis hasn’t calmed down overnight. Sources close to George Eustice get in touch to say that his amendment hasn’t gone down well with the leadership despite reeking of a stich-up attempt, however there is mistrust on the benches about Eustice none-the-less. As of this morning, the Tory leadership are still unwilling to give any ground, blaming the LibDems, but it’s going to be a long weekend…
The “Britain in Europe” briefing that went out last night from CCHQ to the troops has not gone down well, not least because “Britain in Europe” was the name of 1999 grouping that brought together Blair, Ken Clarke, Helseltine, Heath, Mandy, Charlie Kennedy, Huhne, Hain and Kinnock to try to get us to join the Euro. Accusations of “going native” are two a penny this morning…
Evidence of Dave’s change of heart can be found on Page 5 of the lines to take:
Q: What’s wrong with having a referendum on renegotiating Britain’s relationship with Europe?
Britain’s interest is in being in Europe but not run by Europe. Conservatives are clear that we should get powers back from Britain to Brussels so we don’t need a referendum on that, we just need a Conservative majority government.
The leadership are in a panic flap and it’s showing through sloppiness and stubbornness. They are going out of their way not to make this easy for themselves…
UPDATE: Another wrecking amendment has been launched by Richard Harrington. It’s not getting much support.
Dave just lost the next election.
Democracy down the Toliet.
love it! keep the scat jokes coming.
I keep telling you that these F–kers aren’t running the country. Its being controlled from Whitehall and Whitehall has been infiltrated by some Foreign intelligence agency and they are fu–ing everthing including our Pseudo Democracy.
Dave lost about 5 million voters to UKIP ( as has labour!) Ed Mil couldn’t kick a goal if he was even in the net. Fucks sake Cammers get with it, dinosaurs are out new generaration want new UK direction – the issue will grow!
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Bilderberg Dave has to toe the libertarian line now he’s in ‘power’…and that means keeping us in Europe at any (every?) cost.
Ministers stand accused of double standards by threatening to withdraw aid from countries that persecute homosexuals but ignoring Christians.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8839808/Defend-persecuted-Christians-not-just-gays-ministers-told.html
The government hates Christians!!
Must put David Cameron in a moral dilemma if the person persecuted is a Christian p00fter.
Double standards? They don’t have ANY standards.
There’s no votes in defending Christians. They aren’t a “Prefered Minority” and hence their plight gets bugger all coverage on the MSM.
It might be time for the real conservatives to bring down this government. If they continue to support Cameron next Labour government will last another 13 years.
We can have another general election next month with clear in / out policy.
On his blog John Redwood hints in ‘The Problem of the EU Parliament’ comments that challenging Cameron this year may be too soon but next year, “…the evidence [of Cameron's Europhilia] may be overwhelming”.
A leadership challenge can only take place in the autumn.
Cameron need to be weaken now to be replaced in autumn. Vote on EU will expose Cameron.
Redwood should man up. Stop sitting about ‘hinting’ on blogsites and start working to solve the problem. It’s what he’s paid for.
Redwood is a backbencher at the moment isnt he?
So his main job is actually to vote as he’s told to by his party a few times a day, and not appear to be asleep inbetween.
But yes Mr. decade, they should all tell us what they actually think the EU is supposed to be.
fffffs backbenchers main job: they shouldn’t LOOK LIKE they’re asleep.
Incredibly sorry I’m late. Celebrated with a huge bender last night! William sends his regards.
When ever I had a go at Cameron, you used to accuse me as a Labour supporter.
Have you now realised what Cameron really stands for?
Have you now realised what Cameron really stands for?
Haven’t got a bloody clue – perhaps you could enlighten us?
“In a democracy but not run like a democracy” to paraphrase Hague
but why “FROM Britain TO Brussels”? I thought that’s the way all these powers had gone all these years? Shome mishtake here?
How did this comment get placed here? It should have been under Archer’s comment at 49 below.
It’s not really standing. More a crouching position, with his back arched.
“Conservatives are clear that we should get powers back from Britain to Brussels so we don’t need a referendum on that, we just need a Conservative majority government.”
The familiar Hague whine, followed by the same old, negotiate powers back bull. For the last thirty years we have had Conservative government, Labour government and now Coalition government and in that time we have never renegotiated back one power ceded to the EU.
The reason for that is simple, we can’t.
All 27 member states must agree to any such agreement and none would without massive conditions attatched, which would render them meaningless.
First you need a conservative as a leader of conservative party.
The Conservative party are part of the problem, not the solution.
Conservative party:
Treaty of Rome.
Single European Act.
Maastricht Treaty.
Labour party:
Amsterdam Treaty.
Nice Treaty.
Lisbon Treaty.
Two cheeks of the same arse.
To renegotiate just one change takes the agreement of every member state.
To leave the EU takes just the decision of that member state.
£9bn+ PER YEAR is NOT a price worth paying to be in the EUSSR. That’s half the cost of Trident replacement _per year_.
I have emailed my tory MP to say I will be joining UKIP if she votes against the referendum, and will never vote tory again, I urge everyone to do this, remember they work for you.
Brilliant – let’s all do it.
But not only to Tory MPs – let’s scare them all shitless.
And his seat with any luck!!
My name is Kipper Cameron I’m an arsehole and a snob
I promised referendums untill I got my job
Throughout the last election you believed my CAST IRON vow
But I don’t give a fuck for you, I’m the PM now
I am all for the EU I think there realy great
And if they want your money I will hand it on a plate
I will not fight their burocrats, or cut back immigration
I will do my utmost to fuck the British Nation
So forget your Rule Britania that was prosperous and free
Forget when you could speak your mind I demand PC
I know a million immigrants in Britain are employed
Whilst all our youth are on the dole and I am overjoyed
SO FUCK OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well done Dave, after 40 years of voting Tory its finished. For the first time, I’ve actually joined a political party, UKIP.
How David Cameron, Ed Miliband, and the Limp Dems plan to stitch up voters in the coming parliament “debate” and vote.
I wonder how long before they pull the plug on the petition web site or move the goal posts?
Do you not Mean Voting
David Cameron is toast
Cameron may not be toast but his MPs are.
There’s no point re-negotiating with the EU, any more than negotiating with Gaddafi.
Muammar was a reasonable man compared to the EU.
More to the point he had oil. The best the French can manage is some smelly old cheese!!
I miss Muammar already, the mad Blair stare, the Gordon hair and the Prezza way with women. I was going to put him in my shadow cabinet. I have a way with people you know.
How’s life in the bunker,Prime Minister Cameron ?
Classic.
who would have thought that Cast Iron Dave would have a greater bunker mentality than McMental himself.
On Monday the Conservatives will alienate themselves from 70+% of the electorate for decades.
You are a truly truly stupid fuckwit Mr Cast Iron Cameron.
Sadly they dont care. We often say the words but fail to comprehend the meaning. they work to agendas we dont understand, are paid but lord knows who and we have to do our bit by shutting up and doing what we’re told.
Well loyalty is a two way street. The political class have pissed all over us.
Years ago when there were occassional spots of bother with our soldiers posted overseas, wise men were often heard to say ” There are no bad soldiers, just bad officers” i.e the breakdown in order was understandable given the poor non responsive leadership. Well nowadays we all labour under totally Fucking awful Gobshite wanker Hunting Officers. What will wise historians say of the peoples reaction in years to come!!
Camerrhoids are a pain in the arse.
http://twitter.com/#!/Ontablets/status/127301559037079552
Caption Competition Material:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/21/article-0-0DE6FC4E00000578-562_634x1124.jpg
jeez where’s the X rating.
I wonder if the Speaker is in her bag…
Of course Britain is in Europe. Look at an atlas. The question is whether we should join a federal state with other European countries.
In the absence any party that might act as a guardian of the constitution, such as a constitutional court, monarch with relevant powers, or elected president, the only group who ought to be competent to vary the constitution is the people. Leaving it to the executive or Parliament provides no separation of powers.
Disorder, disorder
Again
Stop this Guido
Remember MPs you vote NO on Monday we will vote NO to you when we get the chance to vote, troughing or the dole it’s up to you.
Every single thing you say and do from now on will be looked at in a new light, every penny in expenses, every remark you make, every meeting you attend, even to sit in the audience, every acquaintance you meet, business contact and friend will be gone through with a fine toothcomb, by the kinds of people in the past you would think would cut you some slack. No longer. You will not be comfortable anywhere. The game will have changed for ever.
Quite so, but may I politely suggest you use a fine-tooth comb. I have never met anybody who admitted combing their teeth.
Calling all Gay Fuck’s bedwetters,
no one gives a fuck about the shithole war-crime capital Britain and its cocksucking, bedwetting psychotic trash, and their desire to see Britian ‘freed from Europe’. All that matters is getting Germans to pay trillions for France, Italy, Greece, UK, Ireland, Portugal… , and all the other fag, useless countries in Europe, as Sarko is trying to do daily with his begging missions to Berlin/Frankfurt, to get the Germans to bail out bankrupt French banks. That’s all that matters.
The German people will eventually realise that once again the cocksucker cabal want to fleece them and destroy them but this time it won’t work, and RBS, Lloyds, Barclays, SocGen, BNP Paribas etc., will fail, and take down UK, France etc. economies. So STFU about Europe and prepare for anarchy and mass violence.
http://www.whale.to/c/george_s_patton.html
Anyone offering odds on Cameron’s successor yet?
Someone who is not currently in the government.
I thought the kickoff to get rid of Camoron starts soon after the vote, the MPs may not want democracy but most of us trash do.
Watching Dave on the EU is like watching England play ODI cricket in India.
Always wondered if he was a cricketer– too easily stumped.
Ha ha to many slow balls!!!! i love that billy 5-0 india whats cooking?
“Conservatives are clear that we should get powers back from Britain to Brussels”
Which ones?
Go on, I bet theres some that the libdems might go for
Common fisheries policy perhaps? opt out of the CAP?
Which ones do they really think they can get back? Being realistic, or hopeful?
With all this talk of human rights from dave and that cat lady, you’d think that would be a priority. I seem to remember people even saying it wasn’t the EU (some sort of semi-detached body, sod the details). But it won’t happen anyway.
Dave knows full well that he can not get any powers back. If Romania says no to Dave over fishing then that means no.
That’s been my argument to Dave’s position all along. What makes himthink Britain can negotiate itself substantial let outs from the eu’s generally accepted rules and still remain a member.
More to the point, does anyone really want to be associated with that sort of thinking or behaviour?
If you are an honest person and a member of a club you accpet its objectivbes and rulkes 100%. If you don’t you resign your membership. Why should nations be any different?
I want my place at the top table.
Redwood is peddling this line on his blog. If the UK tries this tack the EU is going to say two words to it and the second word is ‘Off’.
How can such an intelligent, experienced politician like him believe he can negotiate with the EU? The treaties are designed such that all the EU countries have to agree changes to them. Even if they did agree the talks would take forever.
Redwood is naive. He needs to address the realpolitik. And his blog has become a waste of fucking time. It’s better here.
Blog envy. Yet another measure of where our national politics has descended.
Tuesday morning just go straight back with another petition…they’ll be another 100,000 votes by mid-November. And so on…until Dave gets the message – the people of whichever party want a voice/choice about our future relationship with Europe.
NB – making this party political by saying it needs a conservative majority…just shows they don’t understand the concept of country first.
Oh..and for the next petition, can we be more specific i.e. IN | EFTA aka “the Swiss Option” | OUT
Guido, we are in Europe, we are part of Europe – deal with it.
No point in posturing, or giving succour to witless eurosceptic Tory MPs, or forgiving UKIP MEPs who dishonestly take the shilling and expenses from the European Parliament.
I remember the last time all three party leaders were sucking the same c*ock. It was Cameron, Brown and Clegg together who orchestrated the exoneration of criminals like Jacqui Smith, Hoon, Huhne, McNulty , Mackay, Kirkwood, etc.
Can’t seem to post anything, am I being censored?
Can’t see why we wanted to be a servant of localised Europe when we had our very own global Commonwealth
Plus one.
And we had to give up our connections to join the ‘common market’.
Nice to see all the Libyans celebrating in UK cities now gadaffis dead they scream were safe and free etc well I agree its safe and free.
That’s nice,now they can all jump on a plane and fuck offback home!
+100
Billy, to be fair to the Libyan ex-patriots, quite a few HAVE already gone back to actually fight and risk their lives to free their country from Gaddafi and his thugs.
These people I greatly respect. They have actually got off their arses and DONE something to try and make their country a better place.
How many come on this blog and moan and groan about the state of this country and government contempt for the people, but actually do fuck all about it? I don’t exempt myself from this criticism, so let’s give those Libyans who went to fight Gaddafi their due. I am sure there will be many who will return to help rebuild their country, unlike the waste of space that Somalians,Pakistanis, Aghans etc are who come over here to live off our taxes and don’t give a stuff about their own shithole countries.
I’m being cesnsored.
Only this message has appeared out of the last 5, does GCHQ have a link in here?
I successfully managed to bury the Europe story by ordering the BBC, ITN, and Sky News to saturate coverage of me being a hero in dispatching Colonel Gaddafi. I’ll just wait for “The Thatcher Effect” to take over now, I am a great war leader!
Could have done with the colnel behind the stumps yesterday!
Erm. How?
By all accounts Gadaffi’s escape convoy was spotted and shot up by the French Air Force. The pax then did a runner, Gadaffi himself hiding in a sewer until he was caught by a bunch of Libyans. Those same Libyans then popped a cap in his ass.
Not a very British operation, as far as I can gather.
Mmm. Hiding in a sewer. Good idea.
Davy the news cycle is 24 hours, the news will be stale by tomorrow and unless you order plod to do one of Bliars tricks and invade some mosque or house ,you will be the only news for the weekend and by Monday morning you will be put up to dry by even your “friends”, we want democracy now, we want a vote, three years and a few months is a long time to take on more enemies, especially internet savvy one’s , which this blog has many of.
+60,000,000+
Guido are you planning to make a post on the independent study that has found that global warming is happening and is very real. Or is this another of those stories that you’re going to ignore?
Is that the one with the fixed formula for the graph? Or the one with the temperatures which are “estimated”? Or the one drawn up by a committee chaired by a man who owns the odd alternative fuels company? Or the one drawn up by the University who had to suppress the figures they did not like?
No the one done by independent experts
So taxes are going to save us from Global warming, get real.
Global Warming. It sure worked for us.
He’s waiting till tomorrow’s independent study that will find that global warming is a money-making scam and is very not real.
What a ridiculous spectacle on this blog. Labour twats pretending to be swivel eyed EU obsessed dinosaurs, and the real macoy.
The left can disguise their stupidity about Europe while fanning the flames licking at its opponents.
Wake up, not hard to see, is it.
Cameron is finished.
Bono dead?
I told him to wait until 2012/13 when we’d written down the costs of hiring the goons at Glastonbury.
http://findyourmp.parliament.uk/
George Eustace had a majority of 66. Bye Bye George
65 now. My granny voted for him, and she has now died.
64 and falling. I did, thinking he was not Julia Goldsworthy and her £1000 chair.
My MP contacted. As his consituency is going up the road I’m assuming he will man up and take and stand. If not then my suspicion that he is a careerist today will be confirmed.
Dave had better start listening to the voices on here instead of those in his fucking head. Any Tories reading this blog get the message? Get a fucking grip.
What the fuck are his SpAds saying to him ????
They should be screaming at the fucker….. WOT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING !!!
Either that or they are useless bum bags telling him how great he is every day !
They are useless bum bags telling him how great he is every day
The Britain in Europe briefing is a joke.
In it Tory High Command desperately tries to convince members that being in Europe and securing “opt outs” is both possible and sustainable. Yet on Page 2 we get this:
●1992:The Maastricht Treaty.The treaty created the legal basis for the creation of Euro (UKopts out) and the moves towards foreign policy, military, criminal justice and judicial cooperation.The ‘three pillars’ set out where the EEC did and did not have competence. UK secures opt outfrom the ‘Social Chapter.’
●1997:Treaty of Amsterdam.UK subscribes to ‘Social Chapter’.
In other words even if power are repatriated, they aren’t safe. There is no guarantee that a future administration won’t simply sign them away again, probably in return for a promise that gets broken.
The other joke is Cameron’s endless bleating is that repatriation of powers simply requires a “Conservative Majority Government”.
Well, Davey Boy. You fucked that one up, didn’t you. With all your husky hugging and building windmills for hoodies. We are now dealing with the results of that, namely a coalition in which the libdems have disproportionate power and a government incaable of doing what it promised in its election manifesto. Including the bit about negotiating the repatriation of powers from Brussels.
Before the election, I was wondering whether dave really was the bit-of-a-lib-dem that he seemed to be suggesting he was. And now whenever his policy looks a bit lib dem, he can blame it all on them.
What is this dribble?
Id dribble down her chin…..she is georgeous
Cameron is looking ever more like the arch-weasel Blair. He appears terrified of Clegg and the Lib Dems over this. What the f*ck for – they promised an in-out referendum in their manifesto.
Cameron’s political blancmange act is getting worse. The way he is going the Tories are going to humiliate themselves in the Euroelections next year.
“Cameron is looking ever more like the arch-weasel Blair.”
He wishes.
POLL RESULTS ON SKY BOULTON & Co
http://news.sky.com/home/politics/article/16092525
90% want a referendum on EU…….
ARE YOU READING CAST IRON CAM YOU WANKSTAIN
*fingers in ears*
la la la la
At School this morning….
I wun the class head vote by pwomising a weferendum. but now I cant bee botherd 2 do it. I told my best frend Daisy she cant have won and she called my a lying skeeming cow and that my mum slept with men four money.
Things have got really ugly and fights are breaking out in the playground becos of this. Miss McKenzie my teecher sed I have to sort it out. But I dont have 2 beecos they dont vote for another class head until next year so who cares. Next time i will pwomise them it again.
Its really easy this pollyticks fing.
I have to go now the bell has just gone. bye x
Do you give head?
Hannan summed it up beautifully in the Telegraph “The EU was sold to us as an economic proposition, yet it’s becoming clear that we’re shackled to a corpse” We all know this, the politicos know this but seem totally unwilling to bury the bloody thing in their blind pursuit of power. It’s DEAD….time to get rid of the stench and bury it once and forall.
R I P
Its becoming increasingly obvious that we will be out of the EU sometime within the next 20 years. Tory old guard is being replaced by young Eurosceptics at every opportunity. Its only a matter of time. Its probably better to let time take its course rather than have a referendum whose outcome could readily be influenced by scaremongering big business spending big money to keep their fingers in the Euro-pie.
Of course, things could happen much faster if Cam gets knifed (which seems increasingly inevitable as his leadership looks increasingly worthless) – If he does get knifed it will be a year or so before the next election. We musn’t forget that the EU itself could break up like all continental alliances – Greece is heading for civil war thanks to EU intransigence, Greek debt will then default 100% and the rot will spread from the periphery to the core. France, Spain, Italy deeply in the shit, the Eastern EU countries not getting any handouts and struggling to compete without the subsidies they’ve been getting. War in Europe virtually guaranteed within 5 years I’d say the way the EU is headed.
According to my Yahoo front page, the world is supposed to end (again) some time today. Still a few hours left !
Who the hell is in charge of strategy at No10 ? This is a bloody disaster….”Dave” has managed by his incompetence and instruction for 3 line whip to turn a small embarassment(supposing that the motion had even actually passed he could have shrufgged it off…he should have allowed it to be debated on Thursday as was intended and he and Hague should have just gone off abroad has planned)into a monumental and gawd-almighty row and catastrophic balls-up which has now put his whole argument on europe;his previous broken promises and authority on the line……but then again why am I not surprised …its the Forestry Commission and NHS “pause for thought” debacle all over again
“we just need a Conservative majority government”.
I wouldn’t get your hopes up about Cameron, you spineless turncoat.