Huhne Empty-Chaired On Newsnight
After cancelling twenty minutes before the show…
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Ed Balls stretches credulity by claiming he isn’t ambitious…
“I would love to be part of Ed’s Labour government but what I do next for me is not an all-consuming passion. I’m more bothered, in a personal sense, about getting to grade 8 piano by the time I’m 50.”
Bill Quango MP says:
Ned Flanders – Clegg
Lisa Simpson – Natalie Bennett
Milhouse – Hilary Benn
Martin Prince – Andy Burnham
Edna Krabappel – Luciana Berger
Crazy Cat Lady – Glenda jackson
Comic book guy – John Prescott
Carl – Chucka
Lenny – Philip Hammond
Willie – Eric joyce
Poochie – Gordon Brown
Reverend Lovejoy – Tony Blair
Someone cares?
99% don’t seem to.
X factor auditions
The justice minister, Jonathan Djanogly, has been stripped of his responsibility to regulate firms that “ambulance chase” the public following a Guardian investigation that revealed how he and his family could profit from controversial changes to legal aid he was piloting in parliament.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/oct/17/jonathan-djanogly-stripped-power-ambulance-chasers
Mr Bercow’s retirement package, one of the most generous in the country, will pay him the equivalent of half his salary throughout his life, whenever he retires.
It is currently worth about £40,000 a year. A similar pension would cost more than £2million to fund privately.
Mr Bercow does not have to make any contributions to the scheme. He is entitled to an additional MP’s pension, which requires contributions, although it is not known if he has accepted this option.
A senior Tory MP said: “Mr Bercow’s behaviour is a disgrace. Everyone else realises that if we are asking the public sector to contribute more for their pensions, then so should we.”
FUCKING CNUT
Where’s Billy?
Hope he’s OK.
A big thank you to Billy for keeping us from being caught up in the homophobia surrounding Fox
He’s been banged up, that was quick.
does Guido not comment on stories he didn’t break? why no condemnation of this Djanogly character? busy trying to concentrate on holding down the bile of Tory sleaze that’s bubbling up? :0)
Camerons press briefing likely to loose him the next election……
On Power….. he says
“its global pricing which is the issue…..” ???????
Not labour 13 years of miss-spending, by thier Sec of Energy… Ed Milliband
“companyies need to be clearer about pricing”…… yawn
“folks need to switch more”…… ekkk
“people need more insulation”….. most got it already…..
And does Ed need to answer why he did nothing…. no his reply is
“Power Companies are a cartel and fixing prices”….. wow ! that believing spin!
Downing street press in a real mess…..
next year we have labours legacy of £9 billion spent on the olympics, when it could have been spend on 4 power stations which would reduce our dependancy on expensive gas.
labour press secretary maybe have dodgy past – but he as good as cambell on spin, and labour won 3 elections on the basis of good spin control.
Sorry Meme, you’ve got that wrong. The Olympics are only going to cost £2.7 billion pounds. Tessa Jowell was on the telly and she said that is all it would cost. She wouldn’t lie now would she?
Lose, lose, lose, lose, lose – write it out a hundred times you ignoramus.
He couldn’t answer why he stated that Global Gas prices have went up, when they are trading at the lowest for 3-4 year.
Another Fraud perpetrated on the People.
Inflation through TAXATION. Thats a good one for the Bank of England to work on. F–king W–kers. How are they going to FIX That, MORE TAX,
Chairs don’t lie…
Perhaps Carina wanted servicing tonight?
Servicing?
He’s probably knackered her big end with all that speeding…
re early thread
what a clnt
Liam Fox – showed Werrity sensitive evidence
I think we know this
She probably has more than one…
Crude and childish?
What are the chances of him being able to hoist one up?
Maybe he had a touch of the piles? They wouldn’t let him bring his special chair!
Better late than never…So they tell me.
What a pointless blog.
Chris Huhne: what a pointless bloke.
Chris Huhne’s licence:
What a pointless licence.
Pointless reply?
Pointless anonymity.
Take your iPad inside with you and you’ll see the point s
They don’t like it up ‘em!
Who doesn’t? Surely you don’t mean the Tories? I thought they loved it.
Crude and childish comment?
Huhne had been dreadful on Channel 4 News earlier in the evening.
I care. I am under extreme pressure at the moment, as is Chris, as my darling Katya is in Court today. Thank goodness they are not calling me. looks like I have got away with it.
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/local/east-hampshire/portsmouth_south_mp_mike_hancock_s_former_aide_to_contest_deportation_decision_1_3161302
I do not have the powers to look into Mr Handycock being a Russian Spy. Today my staff and I are having a scrabble competition as we have nothing else to do to justify our enormous salaries and accrued index linked pensions.
Whoever it is who is impersonating me, I will have you know that I and my Staff work extremely hard. Although I have no powers, it is an extermely stressful, demanding and difficult job, covering up the demeanours of MP’s escpecially the ones, like Mr Handycock and Mr Huhne, who are fully aware that I have no powers, so immediately one commits an offence, the other reports him to me. I and my Staff then have to immediately implement a cover up, regardless of what our social committments might be. Boaz.
I am the real Parliamentary Standards Commisioner and to avoid confusion I am easily identifyible by my cowardice,sychophanty, lack of backbone and I always carry a huge bucket of whitewash around with me.
I’m in the driving seat (unless it was Vicky).
The suspension of the green taxes should be the leading policy of all commentators. It makes no sense to pursue a costly policy which hits the ordinary citizen as well as industry. Meanwhile there are millionaires who are making a fortune out of the policy – a subject never covered by print or broadcast news.
As the economies of Europe sink beneath the waves the last sight of them wi ll be a green flag signalling the perfect answer to climate change, the destruction of all western industrial activity and the deaths of its citizens. There will be oil-fired Indian and Chinese vessels waiting to pick up survivors.
The only consolation would be the sight of Captain Huhne , standing on the bridge and saluting the flag, as he goes down with the ship.
No he wont. He will ask a family member to take his place then deny all knowledge of anything he had his dirty little fingers in.
Sam Cam’s dad makes 350 large a year from the wind scam. You don’t think Green Dave will shoot himself in the foot for the sake of the freezing pensioners do you? The little people will have to die patriotically so that Dave, Sam and their priviliged kids can live in the style they are accustomed to.
If we can just freeze to death, say 2 million OAPs, just think of all those Benefits, Winter Fuel Payments and Old Age Pensions, we can save. Luvvly Jubbly.
You know it makes sense.
And it will help to make more houses available for the healthy, tax-paying, drugged-up, young.
And if we cremate them the heat generated could be fed into area heating schemes providing free warmth for the needy!!!
Car engine blow up ??
I wasn’t driving.
Good point.
Grabbed by the fuzz ??
No fuzz – had a Brazilian – smooth pussy!!
He should have sent his wife instead.
Too busy being pulled over by the Feds for putting the pedal through his Renault 5 Turbo’s floor…..
I wonder if Foxxy will get invited on to question time and wonder if he will turn up after accepting initially, Foxxy will want to keep a very low profile for some time.
And on your special subject – ‘The Highway Code’ – you scored no points.
*applause*
very good.
actually, shouldn’t that be … 3 points and a £60 fine?
More likely
“And on your special subject ‘Self-awareness and personal integrity’ not only did you score no points but you also failed to even understand the questions.”
Noticeably nervous post Energy Meeting earlier!!
“I wasn’t driving: and even if I was driving, I had no idea that it was I who was driving, which is still a wild allegation against a Minister of the Crown and could lead to my Learned Friends asking for an injunction to stop these malicious lies being put forward merely to reduce my carbon emissions and allow just my methane gas to drift ever upwards.” “I think that’s right, now where was I? Oh yes, on the M11.
I think I need a drink. What about using my wind turbines as maypoles for the children? That, at least, would make them of some use.
Shifty bastard ,Huhne.
Do you mind? He’s seriously over-qualified for membership of our organisation.
Time for a CPS ‘leak’
When Roy Hattersley didn’t turn up on HIGNFY, they put a tub of lard in his place. They should have put a bucket on Huhne’s chair, and I don’t need to say what should have been in it.
Caption:
BBC cuts force studio lard shortages.
or a hoon?
Still, I would rather look at an empty chair that has avoided the Huhne pooh stain than that ghastly apparition at the top of the previous page.
If he was on the telly would be off.
I think he was told that the chair was for him as a contestant on “MasterMind”.
His Special Subject: Wind and Piss.
Struck by a blade from a disintegrating wind turbine? One can only hope!
Wonder what questions he didn’t want to answer.
Do you are your department meet with lobby companies?
Huhne will have his day in court. He is innocent till proven guilty.
…….He’s Guilty
OK, I have the ouija board out.
CPS# CPS# CPS# CPS# CPS# CPS# CPS# CPS# CPS# CPS# CPS# CPS# CPS# CPS# CPS# CPS# CPS# CPS# CPS# CPS#
Damn, it’s very faint – but there is something there…
WHAT A CṲNT !
Wrong sex love
But when they are that big they are not in the slightest bit useful.
He’s not on our List of shaggers.
Perhaps he felt he would have trouble getting his points across?
Apart from post 7, is no-one taking seriously the possibility that Huhne is not at liberty?
Taking out the two negatives, that renders:
Is everyone taking seriously the possibility that Huhne is at liberty (apart from post 7).
The answer is therefore ‘yes’. Or have I missed something here?
He’s, taking liberty’s, if that helps.
He’s taking liberty’s what?
(The plural of “liberty” is “liberties” and in any event the apostrophe is not needed unless it is a possessive.)
Hunt’s
They’re changing twats at Westminster Palace
Christopher Huhne’s the target of malice
He’s being called in by Scotland Yard
Keeping your license is often quite hard
He’ll be missed…
Evenin’ all. Mind how you go
Justice ain’t arf goin’ slow
There’s trouble’s brewin’ at the Met
Macpherson’s meddling in there yet
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15341661
Says Alice.
Where’s oor Billy?
Doing what he likes second best.
Oo-er missus!
..or second hand!
Where do think he is, all tucked up in bed reading Pinko News of course
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COPENHAGEN
Asda store till assistant ?
‘Asta bin googling then, our Cat?
‘appen I have lad!
Good on the cu’nt
I wish every Tory MP/Minister would stop appearing on the biased broadcasting Corp today, this fucking minute.
But no, some poor cu’nt will be on Radio Five Labour soon, taking questions from Clare Solomon and other Labour activist plants, such as ‘have you borrowed money to eat recently minister’?, and having to deal with the bile poured forth from R5L’s twisted, chip on both shoulders, celt/nothern/self regarding presenters.
Huhne is not a tory he’s libdem
Fuck this moderation shit
Now then do not swear at the moderator he does not like it!
Huhne’s three point plan for energy….
Insulate,,,,check you are on the cheapest tariff…..pay by direct debit.
No wonder he’s tired……..these three-point plans he comes up with him either take it out of him or stop him having them in the first place.
Huhne’s three point plan for energy:
Hold some fake “summit” that does nothing to address fat margins; get British Gas to do some marketing bullshit about how helpful they are; blame the consumer.
No wonder the cowardly bastard is too scared to speak up for himself on Newsnight.
If he insulated, the electricity wouldn’t get through.
Those windmills he’s installing, have a lifetime guarantee – HIS lifetime!
Could be sooner, rather than later.
Bernard Woolley: It used to be said there were two kinds of chairs to go with two kinds of Minister: one sort folds up instantly; the other sort goes round and round in circles.
Folds instantly, could be Foxxy but he thought he could brass it out, Huhne is definitely is the minister of the circular variety.
Must have run out of wind on the way to studio .
Saying “we are doing everything we can” just doesnt cut it these days
could do mastermind music I suppose if bored and your specialist subject is “passing the buck”
The only long term plan Huhne has re Energy is shit on others and get off scot free!
Marvellous. What a witty reply. Such Fun!
True, though.
I was gone in 60 seconds.
chris hulne ,,,,,talent free, no mark, time serving ,duplicitous culnt “i can assure you i’m in this for the long game)
guess where this bastard will be employed in 5 10 years time ?
I know. Fucking Tories. can’t trust the public school devils. oh well bugger it. here’s to bloody super Boris. He’ll bloody well save us all. Good egg and all that.
Since when has Huhne been a Tory?
That’s it! If I’m not appreciated then I’m off – back to fucking Brussels where they pay decent wages, AND expenses. I knew I should never have left. I did like that Belgium bird. Cor!
I’m wasted with all these washed-up politicians.
Your kebab shop?
The BBC?
Nothing like Newsnight to induce pandiculation
I can guess where his interests lie now, never mind 5 years time. Laying the ground work, don’tcha know. So, some old grannies die of hypothermia because they can’t pay their gas bills, what is that to Chris? He has bigger fish to fry.
Empty suit, empty chair, empty promises, full wallet. Emperor has no clothes.
Tory Hunt
No he is a Lib Dem but he would be right at home in the de-naturised, de-toxified and de-Toryfied Conservative party we have now.
missed just about everything. Ever. Oh well. Ho hum.
Feds? isnt that American? Dawg. Fail to see the relavance here. Thicko!
Par for the course. What a thoroughly odious c’unt.
Is that French?
ha ha. You mean “came”. Such fun!
He should have sent his wife instead.
“energy & speed tariffs have alot in common–they both take months to work out.”
‘es been strung up!
The meeting of the PM and Energy Secretary with “Energy-Bosses” was very instructive and useful…so now we all know what to do “Switch-Insulate – Save” subtext there’s fuck all WE can do about Energy costs(PS.Whatever you do…… Don’t mention those “Green Taxes” that put £120 per year on the average household energy bill”…)
Maybe he was the other side of London and realised he couldn’t make it in 20 minutes at legal speed limits ?
I heard he was on a promise.
There appears to be a lot of static thinking regarding inflation
UK inflation is a relationship between GBP sterling currency and the spot value of goods and services
GBP currency is a state generated fiction, a number in a database
If that number decreases in value over time why would you want to own it?
However, the government wants the “big six” utilities to spend £200bn on renewing Britain’s entire energy infrastructure over the next decade. The cost of this ambitious scheme to replace lost generating capacity and cut carbon dioxide emissions will be passed on to consumers in the form of higher bills, said analysts.
If so, future increases in energy charges will be the indirect result of government policy.
Someone elses baby said huhune
Yes, let’s make sure the robbing ‘energy’ companies don’t get any of the blame for their rip-off, eh? You’ve got shares in them, have you?
The answer is in your energy bills this winter. Whats wrong with buying shares comrade
Another day , Huhnes work is never done, more business to destroy, destruction of the country nearly finished , more green taxes to collect , can’t do road pricing as the country will really get pissed off , oh I know a window tax, all that heat being lost through windows, twats.
maybe they should sell licences to crenalate. its been done before.
HMQ may have a big bill for windsor, though.
These are the New Rules. That’s if you don’t want to die of hypochondria.
Keep all windows shut.
Keep all doors shut.
Keep all curtains closed.
Walk slowly and
Spend more time in bed
Keep your woollen knickers on all the time.
Use 1000 tog duvets.
Read erotic literature to keep the blood flowing.
Don’t ‘phone me.
Chrissie.
The chair was brilliant, much better than Hoohne would have been.
That smouldering silence by the chair to Paxo’s questions really got to me the chair was really on fire.
Maybe he got sick of his own lies, trying to blame energy companies for the tax rises?
Empty chairs and empty tables
Did the chair have wheels? Am i now allowed to say Hunt and it not get moderated to ‘hoon’
Looks like i can – Hunt is a Hunt
I think you’ll find he’s a c….unt.
O/T
The Reform, the palatial gentlemen’s club in Pall Mall which numbered the traitor Guy Burgess among its members, must be feeling the pinch now that David Walker, the husband of The Guardian’s Polly Toynbee, can no longer wine and dine his contacts there at the taxpayers’ expense.
A parliamentary written reply shows that Walker went to his club at least once a month in his final days as the communications director of the Audit Commission with the likes of Sir Nicholas Montagu, the former chairman of the Inland Revenue, Baron Adebowale, of Turning Point, and Tony Wright, the Labour MP.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8832061/Polly-Toynbees-man-makes-a-meal-of-his-expenses.html
Ha! Fuck him. He’ll have to pay for his own meals now the useless Oxygen thief.
Brilliant. So Huhne actually had something worth saying about a subject that has been worrying many people and he cant show. nice.
Chris Huhne is the best Energy Secretary this country has ever had. Long may he stay in his job.
We agree.
So do we.
We, and our Association, support this wonderful visionary, who will ensure we regain our position in the world as the No. 1……… ?
We have gained outline planning permission for thousands of C & C sites
(cemetery and crematoria).
Discounts for doubles.
In the windmills of his mind !
Hear hear!
We agree too
“Black Tuesday” in the stockmarket for this clueless conservative led coalition
FTSE 100 5356.57 – -80.13
I hope Ed Miliband gives that twat,Cameron a pasting at tomorrow’s PMQ’s
Pah! The FTSE is still higher than when the Maximum Imbecile got his P45.
Ned? Give somebody a pasting? Ahahahahaha. Hahahaha.
Huhne’s lack of comment was offensive.
Why does the BBC promote this politician avoiding real issues when we Socialists do it much better.
He is stealing our thunder.
Fuck off now Cameron and take your refund you lying shit !
Latest Populus/Times poll: Lab 41%, Con 33%, LD *laughs*
Frightening isn’t it?
Labour spend 13 years destroying the UK economy and still 41% would vote for them.
Christ.
Our only hope is increased voter exposure to Ned Miliband who, like Brown, repels voters the more they see of him.
The only hope is to replace Camoron , who with I don’t know as it looks as if corruption is the norm in the Palace of Westminster, as they say best to keep to the thieves you know rather than the thieves you don’t, 41% seem to plump for the other thieves.
I like that little man, Bwercow. He seems really sincere. I hope he hasn’t been at the expenses thingy My mum likes him to. So does my brother, but he’s AC/DC. He seems to jump around a lot. Is he constipated? If so, I’ve got one or two remedies that would help him. They’ve helped me. But you mustn’t take a laxative with a sleeping pill.
It’s not that jgm2, There are two categories that are in the 41%
1. those in the public service or living the life of riley, voting Labour to continue their lifestyle irrespective of the impact on the country as a whole.
2. those voting out of partisanship (Trade Unions)
“Who will rid me of these troublesome ministers”
” Infamy infamy they all have it in for me “
I’m increasingly of the opinion that he doesn’t give a shit. He’s like Brown. Loving the title of PM – an end in itself.
Why, 18 months after the Maximum Imbecile got slung out are we still weighed down by his (Brown’s) one million additional box-tickers, bedwetters and bastards? Why are these fuckers not on the dole which is all the majority of the worthless c*unts are fit for?
Because the B-bbc wouldn’t like it.
Well where’s militwit?
He was energy minister before huhne . It was militwit , with gordon’s blessing, that implemented all these green energy taxes that are now costing us so dear.
It was militwit that refused to take a decision on nuclear power when he was told we would face energy blackouts within a year or two without it. It was militwit who pushed investment towards windfarms that can’t work if the wind is too strong or not strong enough and in any case costs 3 times as much to produce less than half of what nuclear would produce.
Now bandwagon militwit is bleating about on the sidelines saying the coalition must do something urgently about the imminent energy shortfall and bring the price of energy down.
So why didn’ he do it when he had the chance?
I think we should all vote labour next time. We are going to hell so let’s get it over with quickly. Consolation? The sandal-wearing beardies will simply disappear so we’ll just have to alternate between Laurel and Hardy.
Perhaps he took a wromg turn?
I’m leaving you for another woman. We have 30 minutes to kill this story.
I’m leaving you for another person, whose sex may be indeterminate………………
Actually, I think Trimingham may be an hermaphrodite.
I won’t be coming home. Someone wants to run away with me. I think it’s my lover’s father-in-law. Nice beard, and he’s got one too.
You don’t understand me, not that I do either. That makes two of us. See, I can add up. Ignore what the press say about my girl friend. She just gets confused at times. Keeps wondering which way to turn.
You can keep the dog, and the cockerel.
Although why he he has to turn up everytime the BBC wants a minister etc is beyond me.
If i was a government minister i would not go on any BBC show except daily politiczs with Brillo.
Billy, forgive me, I thought you were a government minister.
You do have to wonder about the psyche of someone who tries to get his wife to take the fall for his crime, uses emotional blackmail on his children to get their help getting him off the hook, and tells his wife their marriage is over and that they’ve got 30 minutes to kill the story. A lot of people will be cheering when his political career eventually ends in tatters. If only the CPS would hurry the fuck up.
It’s quite likely someone has “lost” his file.
Oliver Letwin had it, be he can’t remember where he left it.
OOOH !
Liam Fox personally solicited a substantial donation from Jon Moulton, the multi-millionaire private-equity tycoon, for Pargav. He requested the money verbally and in an email.
Do we really need to know that the 96 killed at hillsbrough were killed by thier fellow “fans” behaviour?
and how anyone can pin it on Baroness Thatcher is beyond me.
You obviously don’t understand Labour’s mind-set.
Everything is Fatcher’s fault.
Part 1. yes you should believe exactly the narrative that was fed to you at the time. Swallow it up whole, its sugar flavoured bullshit.
Who is blaming it on thatcher?
And yes I am sure many things are beyond your grasp.
Labour MP Steve Rotherham.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-15339818
“I call on the prime minister to make a statement in this house and apologise for the mistakes that were made and the mishandling of this whole tragedy on behalf of a previous government,” he said.
Labour MP Steve Rotheram was moved to tears as he read the names of those who died
The Labour MP attacked the “smears” and “establishment cover-up” which led to fans initially being blamed for the disaster.
Why didn’t the Labour Government investigate this further when they were running the country for 13 years?
Surely some mistake Billy, the Liverpool fans were all sober, all turned up at the gates in time and formed an orderly queue….how 96 died is one of life’s mysteries !!
oh yes…. and they all had a ticket !!
I saw Andy Burnham on the news yesterday attempting to draw a comparison between Hillsborough and the phone hacking story!
A total insult to those who lost friends and relatives in the tragedy.
Chris Huhne’s three points:
Point 1 – An indefensible energy policy.
Point 2 – An indefensible attitude to family and personal life.
Point 3 – An indefensible attitude to road traffic regulations.
You mean he is a C U N T ?
After being expertly mauled by a well read Cathy Newman on C4 evening news Huhne has chickened out of another go.
He sat around and denied Ofgem/DfE forecast for energy costs, national demand etc and generally revealed himself to be a complete Hoon.
Perhaps someone more tech savvy could add the link?
Ta muchly
One of Guido’s most perceptive moments, replacing the Hoon C-Word with the Huhne alternative, well before most people realised what a complete and utter Huhne, Huhne is!
The true worthlessness of this individual must surely be filtering down to even the least aware of observers of the political lifeform.
The original Huhne was Hoon actually, Geoff Hoon of ‘Geoff Hoon is a cuпt’ fame. Some wag posted this comment several times a day for about a year or more. Now that’s what you call dedication. Billy will point you in the right direction towards the blog archives.
http://tinyurl.com/lz4pqt
Looks like Bercow is being arrogant and very greedy, the naughty boy !
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/8833301/John-Bercow-ignores-pleas-to-reduce-his-pension.html
No ‘Looks like’ about it. The MPs do not have the decency to get rid of this anomaly.
Wrong Guido ! Paul-Huhne is seated in that chair – it is just that oiks like you cannot see him !
Is ‘Hunt’ working again
ah, moderation is back. Shame, it is such a lovely descriptive noun/verb to use for our politicians
Its the Huhnvisible Man
aWill [Buff]Huhne resign if proved guilty, scream -like Miss V E Bott – blame the BBC and the Guarniad as having it in for him…….
What the effing hell is going on? why have “Fatso” Prezza, Huhne and “unable” Cable not been charged and dragged up before the beak? There is a stench of rottenness hereabouts…………